1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Hey Colts fans, I'm JJ Stankovitz and welcome into another 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: episode of the cult Show in Indianapolis Colts Podcast. We 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: are presented by our friends at Microsoft Surface Co Pilot 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: plus PC. Interesting episode coming up today. I had a 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: great chat with the Dean of the Colts Beat, Mike Chappel, 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: And the reason why I brought chap on is because 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: he is a Pro Football Hall of Fame selector, so 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: he is a hand in the process that leads the 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame to make their picks. And 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: we talked a lot about Reggie Wayne. We talked a 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: lot about Edam Minitary. Incredible insight from chap into the 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: process why it's so hard for great players to make 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Now really interesting insight there, fascinating 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: insight into if Reggie Wayne, not when, but if Reggie 15 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: Wayne makes the Hall of Fame, which for my money 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: is completely effing ridiculous that Reggie Wayne is a mite, 17 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: not a when. But that goes into the whole Hall 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: of Fame selection process. A lot about Adam Minitarian there. 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: We also, since I had chat on, I had to 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: ask him like, what's the biggest sliding doors moment? In 21 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: Colt's history. We had a good chat about that, so 22 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: that's gonna be coming up here on the podcast real quick, though. 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: I just want to say, if you've listened to the podcast, 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: if you watched the podcast over the last couple of 25 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: weeks months since we started it in April, thank you. 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: It's been a joy putting these things together, getting them 27 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: out to our fans, having you know, great guests on 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: whether it's current players like Daniel Jones, Alec Pearce, Kenny 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: Moore the second you know, Grover Stewart was awesome back 30 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: in training camp, you know current players, former players like 31 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: Adam Military, who was on the pod last week. I'd 32 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: check lenderd on recently. It's been a ton of fun 33 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: putting this thing together. We're gonna continue the podcast in 34 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: the off season still every Tuesday every week. It's not 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: going anywhere when the Colt season does come to an 36 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: end on Sunday. And just another thing, if you were 37 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: a fan who did go to any games at Lucas 38 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: Oil Stadium this year, thank you for being the best 39 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 1: fans in the NFL. I know I've said it a 40 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: couple times on the pod, but I get to travel 41 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: to all these away games. I've been to thirty one 42 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: of thirty two NFL game experiences. Now I'm the only 43 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: one I've yet to do is Cleveland somehow. And I 44 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: gotta say, Colts fans, are you are the smartest, passionate, 45 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: loudest fans. It's awesome to hit the third down and 46 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: just feel the energy come up from the stadium bowl 47 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: and make things really difficult for opposing offenses. To hear you, 48 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: guys rule, It's great. Being able to do the PA 49 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: is an honor to be able to kind of have 50 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: a small hand in the game day experience that we 51 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: put on at Lucas Oil Stadium because it that is 52 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: the best in the NFL and it is deserving of 53 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: the best fans in the NFL. So thank you for 54 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: everyone who made it out to Lucas Oil Stadium this season. 55 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: We'll see you again back in downtown Indy in twenty 56 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: twenty six. But again, great up coming up with chap today. 57 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: Let's get to it right here right after these messages. 58 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: The Colt Show is presented by Microsoft Surface Copilot plus PC, 59 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: where every day is game day greatness in the NFL 60 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: starts long before kickoff. It's built in the quiet hours 61 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: of preparation and the discipline to turn insights into action. 62 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: The Indianapolis Colts rely on Microsoft's Surface Copilot Plus PCs 63 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: to turn preparation into performance. With real time AI powered 64 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: insights right on the sideline, coaches and players can make smarter, 65 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: faster decisions when it matters most. From the field to 66 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: the front office. Microsoft Surface Copilot Plus PCs are transforming 67 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: how the Indianapolis Cults prepare, strategize, and win. This isn't 68 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: just about football, It's about unlocking potential wherever the game 69 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: is played. It is my pleasure to be joined here 70 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: on The Colt Show by Mike Chapel, longtime Colts Beat reporter, 71 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame selector. We got a lot to get 72 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: in here, chap. 73 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: It's coming every year. You think we've got this clash 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: done and then we can take a breath, but it 75 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: takes like a month off and then we start working 76 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: on the next class of Hall of Fame possibilities. 77 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: So we're taping this before we know who the Pro 78 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty six Modern 79 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: era finalists are. We don't know if Adam Minitarian Reggie 80 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: Wayne are going to be part of that list, Robert 81 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: Mathis or Robert Mathis who's been a semi finalist and 82 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: every year of eligibility. But let's just talk about I 83 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: want to talk about the process before we talk about 84 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: the cases for those guys. Reggie Wayne has not got 85 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: in six years being a finalist first six years of eligibility. 86 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: Adam Minitaria was not a first year ballot Hall of Famer. 87 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: Can you explain to me the process to cut down 88 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: from the semi finalist to the finalists and then from 89 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: the finalists to ultimately the players who are selected to 90 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: go to the Hall of Fame each year? 91 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: Yes, I say it starts back in whenever it was 92 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: in March or April. We get the list, and we 93 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: had I could nominate anybody I wanted, and they're on 94 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: the initial list. But then we get to list and 95 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: it's paired to fifteen, and then, like I say, recently, 96 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: it was paired to twenty six with a tie. 97 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: And then when Philips came out of retirement, right. 98 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: That's right, so which was an oddity. And then and 99 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: then the cut which I voted, we've already have a 100 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: voted for it to fifteen, actually eleven because four guys 101 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: who made the final seven last year who we are 102 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: in the weeds. Four guys who made the final seven 103 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: last year but didn't make the Hall of Fame are 104 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: automatically on the list of fifteen. Adam Vnitari, lu Keickley, 105 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: Tory Holt, and I think Willie Anderson. 106 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so Inventary is a finalist. 107 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: Correct, correct, automatically. So that's so he's got that. Uh, 108 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: And then Reggie should be he should be again you're 109 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: voting on eleven guys instead of instead of fifteen. But 110 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: and then and then when we get in the room 111 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: in January, it'll be probably another zoom meeting. But it's 112 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: then you get a list of the fifteen modern era 113 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: guys and you cut that to ten through the vote 114 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: and elimination. That's that's that's where Reggie's kind of kind 115 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: of hit hit the wall for some reason. And then 116 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: from the ten we used to cut the five. And 117 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: when you cut to the five, then you vote yes 118 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: or no. Do you think that these guys are Hall 119 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: of Famers? And generally, unless unless you got a real 120 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: extra grind, if they get to the final five, they're 121 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: Hall of Famers. But now when we cut to seven 122 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: and then you vote on the seven. There's fifty that 123 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 2: which you vote on the seven, and they have to 124 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 2: get eighty percent of vote. Well, if you do the math, 125 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: there's three hundred and fifty votes and you need I 126 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: think it's I think eighty percent is forty is so 127 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 2: you need forty. But when you get the guys that 128 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: are that are like no doubt guys maybe maybe Drew Brees, 129 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: maybe Larry Fitzgerald, I don't know, we'll see, they eat 130 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 2: up the votes. And if you start doing the math, 131 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: then it's hard to get other guys more than more 132 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 2: maybe more than two. Uh, and you're it's there's at 133 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: least three. There's a maximum of three. So if the 134 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: third guy does and get eighty percent, it's it's who 135 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: got the highest. He could have gotten sixty five ers 136 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 2: of the vote, which to me defeats the purpose even 137 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: more so, it's just harder to get in. And that's 138 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: why we saw last year, for the first time in 139 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: a long time, only three modern ARA guys got in. 140 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: So what year, So that this process of going to 141 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: voting on the seven right versus the five. When you're 142 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: voting on just the five, it's like Okay, well they 143 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: made it this far, we're probably giving them a thumbs up. 144 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: But now the seven you have to be discerning because 145 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: you can only get a maximum of five in, which 146 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: then leads to lower vote totals and fewer people getting 147 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: in the hall, right. 148 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: And if that's if that's what the board at the 149 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame once, then then then it's it was success. 150 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: And they said, well, let's let the thing. Probably let 151 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: it play out. But when you've got these guys, you know, 152 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: in the coming in the coming years, Adrian Peterson and 153 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: Tom Brady and Ron Kowski and on and on, they're 154 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: they're gonna suck up the votes. They're not. They're not 155 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: gonna get forty votes. They're gonna get forty eight votes 156 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: or whatever. And it just it's if you, if you 157 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: sit down, do the math. I used to be really 158 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: good at math, and now not so much. But if 159 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: you do the math, it's just hard. When you start 160 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: spreading it out, it's hard. It's hard. So that that's 161 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: why again I was I was really surprised and disappointed 162 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: that Adam didn't get in last year. Uh, And I 163 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: was one of the guys that stood up for him 164 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: and talked and I just said that when you talk 165 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,679 Speaker 2: about I've always thought when when you're when you're heyes, 166 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: the first ballot Hall of Famer, Well, you have to 167 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: check every box in every box. And you look at 168 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: Adam VI and Terry and he and he checked some 169 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: of them twice. So he had his clean of a 170 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: of a resume twenty four years points of super Bowl 171 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: Super Bowl kicks. I was surprised he didn't get in. Uh. 172 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: But but again it looked Keickley. I thought he would 173 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 2: get in. We we could. Eli Manning didn't. Didn't make 174 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: the cut from ten to seven. And he's got two 175 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: super bowls. Uh, and he beat with the Patriots each time. 176 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: So it's a difficult process and one thing and I 177 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: ramble and I apologize. But whenever people see the list 178 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: of this is a class of whatever, they say, well, 179 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: this guy should have got in, whoever it was. And 180 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: I say, well, who'd you want to leave out? Well, 181 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: I don't want leave nobody out, said no, no, it's 182 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: you get a class of five back in the day. 183 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: So if you're going to have somebody else that you 184 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: want to in, well he's going to take out. Well, 185 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: they don't want to do that they just want to 186 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: add another player. It's difficult, It should be hard to 187 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: get in. It's it's it's the elite of the elitist. 188 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: So but I think I think we've made it a 189 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: little too difficult. And one thing that people one of 190 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: the complaints is this recency bias, where guys that have 191 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: played recently have gotten more attention than the guys ten 192 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: fifteen years prior. There's a case for that, but what 193 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: we're doing now, if we're not careful, is we're pushing 194 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 2: guys that are Hall of Fame worthy players further further along. 195 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: And and what you don't want is to have a 196 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: guy you're eligible for twenty years and then you go 197 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: into the senior pool and it's almost impossible to come 198 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: out of the senior pool. Well, that's what we're doing. 199 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: We're going to continue to add players worthy under our 200 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: old rules to this new place where it's more restrictive, 201 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 2: and we're going to push some really, really good players 202 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: into the senior pool. 203 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: So let's talk about Reggie Wayne. Then, Reggie has been 204 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: a finalist for six years in all six years of eligibility. 205 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: Obviously that owes to his fourteen thousand career receiving yards, 206 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: he's top ten and catches all time, he's top ten, 207 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: he's top ten in playoff receiving yards, playoff receptions. Not 208 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: just a guy who's productive in the regular season but 209 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: also in the postseason. Why hasn't he got in? 210 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 2: I don't know, I think and again, and I've talked, 211 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 2: I've stood up for Reggie all six years. And the 212 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: overriding selling point on Reggie is he is there's only 213 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: two players in NFL history, only two that ranked top 214 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 2: ten regular season catches in the yards and postseason catches 215 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: the yards. And it's Reggie and Jerry Rice. When you're 216 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: on that list of oh yeah, me and Jerry Rice, 217 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: it means something. 218 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: And that's not like you're like, goosen the numbers. I mean, 219 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: this is the most productive players in both the regular 220 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: season and postseason. It's him and Jerry Rice, right. 221 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: And yeah, it's not like well on Thursday nights with 222 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: you know on the third way. No, No, this is 223 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: this is is over an expended period of time, and 224 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: I don't understand. There's there's part of it, I think 225 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: is that of all the there's already a ton of 226 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 2: colts in from that team, from that era, and well, 227 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: you guys only won one Super Bowl, what's up with that? 228 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 2: And then there's well, you know he had Peyton Manning 229 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 2: and Andrew Lucky's whole career and well, yeah, okay, and 230 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: Jerry Rice had you know, Steve Young and Joe Montana. 231 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: So I don't understand. And the pushback, there is pushback, 232 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: or he would have been in by now. And there 233 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: the part of it is with the way the league 234 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: has turned into this past happy league, numbers do get 235 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: inflated to it to a degree. And now, for the 236 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 2: last five years, we've had Reggie and Tory Holt, Isaac 237 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: Bruce who got in, and Andre Johnson and Chad Johnson 238 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: or uh yeah, the Detroit Calvinvin Johnsorry Calvin, make me 239 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: sound stupid, Calvin Johnson. And generally it's always been wait 240 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: your turn in line. Marvin had to wait three years, 241 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: which was it's still ridiculous that he had to wait 242 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: for Andre Reid and Tim Brown. Well, so if you 243 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 2: accept the fact you wait in line, it was it 244 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: was Reggie, Tory Holt, and Andre Johnson and in that order, 245 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: in that order. And again that's prior we had we 246 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: let Chad Johnson, Calvin Johnson got a channel on Calvin 247 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: Johnson jumped the line. Well, Calvin Johnson was special, but 248 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: with with Andrey Johnson. And I'm not saying Andre Johnson 249 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: isn't a Hall of Famer. He is, but Reggie's numbers 250 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: are better. And one of those selling points on Andre 251 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: Johnson was, well, look at the quarterbacks he had thrown 252 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: to him. You know Matt Schaub was his best quarterback. 253 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: Well that's not Reggie's fault, you know, That's that's just 254 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: the way. That's the hand he was dealt. So I 255 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: wish I understood. And I always kind of kid with Reggie. 256 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: I said, man, I wish you could have played another 257 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 2: year or two and give me another couple of thousand 258 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: yards to talk about. But his resume is worthy of 259 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. And I'm concerned with how we 260 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: have we have restricted the voting or the eligibility and advancing. 261 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: It's gonna make it hard for the Reggies and the 262 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: Tory Holtz and and others to get in. And I 263 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: don't think it's going to change anytime soon. So we'll 264 00:13:58,760 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 2: see how this thing plays out. 265 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: So the there's a lot to unpack there with like 266 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: Reggie specifically in the hole, like, well he had Peyton 267 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: and Luck. 268 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: Right. 269 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: Thing to me, like, you can't separate the quarterback from 270 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: the receiver. Yes, Peyton Manning was a singularly great quarterback 271 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: in NFL history, but he had singularly great receivers in 272 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: Marv and Reggie and obviously Dallas Clark. You know it's 273 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: part of that as well, Like look a look at 274 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: Mahomes this year. Mahomes did not have a singularly great receiver. 275 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: That team missed the playoffs. I mean to say, to 276 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: hold Reggie's production against him almost is just ludicrous to me. 277 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: And okay, sure, Tory Holt had Kurt Warner, right, Okay, 278 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: how can you separate a Hall of Fame quarterback in 279 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: Kurt Warner from his Hall of Fame receiver in Isaac 280 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: Perus and the guy who should be in the Hall 281 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: of Fame in Tory Holt, Like. 282 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: Andre Reid had Jim Kelly, Yeah, you know, Michael irv 283 00:14:58,720 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: had had Troy Ikman. 284 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: That Jerry Reisenstein, you know, Jomn Rahana. 285 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: Right. So, And one of the things with Reggie I 286 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: think people don't get in credit for is if you 287 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: remember when they were transitioning from Peyton to Andrew Luck. 288 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: The twenty eleven season was just awful because of circumstances, 289 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: and Reggie had like nine hundred and sixty eight yards, Yeah, 290 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: because he had a string of one thousand yard seasons 291 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: and it was broken. High said that when you consider 292 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: it was Kerry Collins and Rowski and Curtis Painted, they 293 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: should have had one of those analytical things where they 294 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: can adjust careers for seasons, and he's got twelve hundred 295 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: yards instead of nine to sixty. But then the first 296 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: year with Andrew Luck, he had thirteen hundred yards or so, 297 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: that's what the rookie quarterback, right, because the Colts knew, Remember, 298 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: they had a chance to either sign Pierre Garsan or Reggie, 299 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: and they decided that Andrew Luck needed a guy he 300 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: could just depend on what be there, and it was Reggie. 301 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: And one of his best seasons or one of the 302 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: best games was like his lux rookie year with Green 303 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: Bay when when Chuck was out with leukemia. 304 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Orange Gloves game, right. 305 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I just I wish people appreciated Reggie on 306 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: his own. Well, he had Peyton and he had Marvin Well. 307 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: The fact he had Marvin probably took numbers away from him. 308 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: So I just I I hope it's not a feudal battle. 309 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: I hope it's not. But Reggie Wayne belongs in Canton. 310 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: He does, and I just I wish there was enough 311 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: support nationally, you know, I speaking with the Hall of Fame, 312 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: I was surprised. I'm not surprised Dwight Freenie got in 313 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: second time his second year. I was surprised. And locally 314 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: we knew how great of a player he was. We 315 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: saw it every game all those years. I was surprised 316 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: nationally how much Freeenie would regarded as a as a great, 317 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: great player more so than it was locally. And we 318 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: know how we people Philadine locally. So that's Reggie hasn't 319 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: reached that level yet. And I don't know why he 320 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: he does. He did things the right way. He's doing 321 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: things the right way. He's paying it forward by being 322 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: a position coach. I don't get it. But and Tory 323 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 2: Holt's in the same position. He's in the same position. 324 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: And whenever Howard ballser Uh is the one that I 325 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 2: argues for Toy and we look at each other like 326 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: I don't know what else we're supposed to say, because 327 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: when you looked at again with Andre and Tory Holt 328 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 2: and Reggie Wayne, I could argue for all three of them. 329 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 2: I really could. But if that's the case, then didn't 330 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: you wait your turn which would have met Tory Holt 331 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: goals and before Reggie because he's been he's been eligible longer. 332 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 2: But I don't know, and I hope there's a change 333 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: in it with Reggie's candidy this year. I'm I'm concerned 334 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: that that's the case. It's because it's the same, It'll 335 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: be the same argument. You try to find different ways 336 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 2: to argue for a guy because apparently whatever I've done 337 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 2: in the past hasn't been the right urging. 338 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: What is there even left to argue at this point? 339 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing I want to say. Hey, 340 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: I talked to you guys last year about this. It's 341 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 2: the same, the same numbers. And I don't think he 342 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: gets enough credit for going from number two behind Marvin 343 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: to being the guy. And he got to be the guy, 344 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: his numbers took off, they went through the roof. So 345 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what the pushback is 346 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: with Reggie. There is nationally some level of pushback, and 347 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. 348 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: The two other things here about like okay, like passing 349 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: numbers are being inflated as these guys are coming into 350 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: the pool, right, Well, like when Reggie got in the league, 351 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: it was not a passing league. It was still very 352 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: much run oriented. You know, you would have your your 353 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: teams that would pound the ball two hundred and eighty 354 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: times to the same running back averaging three point eight yards. 355 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: Edrin and Edroanok took reps away from these guys absolutely. 356 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: And now, yeah, like Reggie, Wayne's numbers at fourteen thousand 357 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: yards still stand right among the best in NFL history, 358 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: despite him doing it in an era that toward the 359 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: back end of his career became more of a passing league, 360 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: but the meat of his career was in And then 361 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: the other part of it is this cult's fatigue that 362 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: you talked about, where okay, yeah, the Colts only won 363 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: one Super Bowl? Well, are we like the New England 364 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: Patriots of that era are one of the greatest teams 365 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: franchises that's ever been assembled in NFL history? Right? You know, 366 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: were we holding guys who didn't break through in the 367 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: seventies against the Steel curtain. 368 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 2: I know, I don't know. That's why I say that. 369 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that go into it. I 370 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: do think there's a little bit of like enough, you've 371 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 2: got enough guys in, whereas maybe the great teams from 372 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: Denver they don't have a lot of guys in. It's 373 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 2: definitely at Pittsburgh in Dallas dominated, you know, because because 374 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: they had some great teams. Yeah, some great players, But 375 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you hold it against don't hold it 376 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: against Reggie because Marvin got in, and Peyton got in, 377 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: and Edgard got in, and Freeenie got in and Bill 378 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: and Tony. Let Reggie stand on his own and don't 379 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: hold it against him that you know, for most of 380 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: his career he had an elite quarterback thrown to him. 381 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: You still had to do your job. So and again, 382 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 2: after Marvin left, Reggie was pretty much on an island. 383 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 2: I mean, there weren't a lot of great receivers alongside. 384 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: Unlike Marvin who had Reggie, Reggie didn't have that guy 385 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: to take a lot of the pressure off, which means 386 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 2: people are focusing on you and you still come up 387 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 2: with twelve thirteen hundred yards. 388 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about Adam VI and Terry you know 389 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: who we just had on the podcast here last week. 390 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: The greatest kicker in NFL history, I think, bar none, right, 391 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: most points scored in NFL history, as you mentioned previously, 392 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: two game winning kicks in the Super Bowl hit a 393 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: number of other picked four time Super Bowl champion right. 394 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: Why I mean, was it as simple of an issue 395 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: as the Hall of Fame saying we don't want to 396 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: put a kicker in first time, you know, first ballot? 397 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: More so, I think it's the fact that we reduced, 398 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 2: we reduced the we reduced them. 399 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: It goes back to that process. 400 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 2: I believe so, because if I really think if we're 401 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: in the five guys get in, I think he's in. 402 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: I really do. But the but he still should have 403 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: gotten in, Doug, he should have gotten in. Again, we 404 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: were talking and when you talk about clean resumes, it's 405 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: it's that one. It's twenty four years, most points regular season, 406 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 2: most points postseason, the two super Bowl kicks that he 407 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: wont that with the kicks that he won. And I 408 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: you know, if you talk to Adam, his two best 409 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: kicks without question were in the Tuch game, yeah, against 410 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 2: the Raiders, and in the blinding snow and what happens, 411 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: what happens if he doesn't kick those that that was 412 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 2: the first That was the first Super Bowl win for 413 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 2: this Patriots run. They probably get on a run maybe 414 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: a year later, but you don't know. And for for 415 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: one player to have that many defighting plays, and if 416 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 2: this was and I even said it that this is 417 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: any other player at any other position, he would have 418 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: gotten in and it would have been a most unanimous. 419 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: But there is that kicker. There is that special teams 420 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 2: stigma to this, which is Ray guy is the only 421 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: punter in. He got in through the seniors process. I 422 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: always argued that I didn't care who the best punter was, 423 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: Hunter Smith, Chris Gard, I don't care who he should 424 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: be in the Hall of Fame. Instead of putting in 425 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 2: a tenth or eleventh guard or whatever it should be. 426 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: Every position should have their best guy in. That was 427 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: It took the senior process with Vinetaria, it took Morton 428 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 2: Anderson uh seven or eight years right to get in. 429 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: And I just think with military I didn't understand it 430 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 2: because again, when you say all time Anniversary team, if 431 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 2: you start today and you pick a team to go 432 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: into the Super Bowl. You know, a fifty three man roster, 433 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: who are your quarterbacks? Okay, Peyton and Brady or Montana 434 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: or Unice whomever, and you can you can go down 435 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 2: left tackle and the kicker. It's adventary. It's not even 436 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: well Adam or no, it's it's Adam. It's not like 437 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 2: there's no ar. So I didn't I didn't agree with that. Again, 438 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: I think you would have got in if it was 439 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 2: a five individual class. But you know, it's just so 440 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 2: he had both things going against him, because there is 441 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 2: the there is a well it took Devin Hester. 442 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: Three years, three years to get in. 443 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: Uh so it's but but when but when you do 444 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: what Ben at Terry did and a kicker, we know, 445 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: we've seen how the tolerance level of teams with kickers 446 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: have a couple of bad weeks and there's somebody that's 447 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: in here, and that was never the case with Vanitary. 448 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: I wish Vinitarry's career had ended on a stronger note, 449 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 2: although that's not even remotely remotely in the discussion of 450 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 2: why he didn't get in. But again, a body of work, 451 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: I find something, find something that you didn't agree with. 452 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 2: One of the knocks on Reggie that I almost almost 453 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 2: went ballistic in the meeting is someone pointed out that, well, 454 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 2: you know, in that two and ten playoff game with 455 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 2: the Jets, he had like one catch or no catches 456 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: whatever it was, for one target against the Jets in 457 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: Peyton's last game. And they said, how can a Hall 458 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: of Famer have such a game? And I said, well, 459 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. Brett Favre through like five or six 460 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 2: interceptions in the playoff game against the Rams, and he 461 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: said he would thrown more if he had more time. 462 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: You know, this isn't a one game thing. It's it's 463 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 2: the body eleven games, right. So that's why I say that, 464 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: that's when you're nitpicking. That, that's when there's some sentiment. 465 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: I don't know what it is against Reggie. He's again 466 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: I get back to Reggie. He's not a bad guy. 467 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 2: He's a great guy. He's great to talk with. And oh, 468 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: by the way, he's a great player. And that's getting 469 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 2: back to Vinitary. I don't know, I don't know what 470 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: your beef is. And again this year, this year, we're 471 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: going to have a strong top of the ballot with 472 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 2: the Drew Breeses, with the Larry FitzGeralds and with the 473 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: people coming back, and so I just don't Luke Keckley 474 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 2: keep him back to Luke Keigley, so Eli Manning. So 475 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: it's just hard. We've made it harder. But it shouldn't 476 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 2: be hard to put Adam VENTITII in the Hall of Fame. 477 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: Like it should be Like you said earlier, Chap, it 478 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: should be hard to get in the Hall of Fame, right, 479 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: but an inventary it should not be hard for him 480 00:25:59,080 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: to get. 481 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: So I'm saying it. And it's funny. Whenever you watch 482 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: the Monday Night or first of that games or whateverything, 483 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: it's the Hall of Fame player. This guy here, I 484 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 2: can't he the last guy that they talked about a 485 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame guy. Well, but these guys have been waiting, 486 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: They've done their job. We know how hard it is 487 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 2: to get in the room. Robert Mathis had a great 488 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: grew still though, the all time stripsack leader, and he 489 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: can't get past the twenty five. So I don't know. 490 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 2: But with Vinitary, this is why are we complicating things? 491 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 2: And everyone agrees that he's the greatest kicker, the greatest 492 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: clutch kicker. If you have one kick in the big 493 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: game in his prime. I'm not saying now obviously it's 494 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 2: not like he's coming out of his out of retirement 495 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: and kick for the Colts along with with Philip Rivers. 496 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: But but if you had that one kick, he even 497 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 2: vary and it's like or no, it's not, it's like vanitary. 498 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 2: So I don't know why we've uh made it more 499 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 2: difficult than it needs to be. I hope it's rectified 500 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 2: this year. I'm I'm skeptical, but I hope. And as 501 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 2: much as I want Reggie and Reggie deserves to be in, 502 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: I vinitary for crying out loud, what do you want 503 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 2: from him that he didn't give you? 504 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: If you were sitting here right now, if you had 505 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: to take a guess for this year's Hall of Fame class, 506 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: just give me a give me a rough idea, like 507 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: in your head of what who you think is in 508 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: this year? 509 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 2: Well again, it's it's with the voting. And I keep 510 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: coming back to that because it's such a it's such 511 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 2: a determinant. I think Drew Brees the everything you hear 512 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: everything here nationally is like, of course he's in okay, 513 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 2: and he had the great career and He's at the 514 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: top of most of the all time charts. And if 515 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 2: if Hank Basket doesn't botch that on side kick, we're 516 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 2: having a different discussion, Doug on it. 517 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: I mean we are, uh, but similar to like the 518 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: River's discussion, almost us Bill, you never won the big One. 519 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: It's amazing. We go down rabbit holes. It's easy to do. 520 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: We sort of set the floor with Dan Fouts and 521 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 2: Warren Moon as far as quarterbacks, and Rivers's numbers are 522 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 2: so much better astron so and they all had the 523 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 2: same success in the Super Bowl, which is none so. 524 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 2: But uh, I think Breeze gets in. I do. I 525 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 2: think Larry Fitzgerald gets in. His numbers are right, but 526 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: I mean it's it's Jerry Rice and then it's Fitzgerald 527 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 2: and he said he had that great postseason. Then I 528 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: don't know. Uh, I hope it's military. I do. I 529 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: think some guys are it's gonna take it take It's 530 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: gonna take some more time. Reggie and I wouldn't want 531 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: to be the one to say Reggie no, just be patient. 532 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: He might smack me. Uh. As as good as Reggie 533 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: and I have a relationship, he might smack me. But 534 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: it's that's the bad part is when you tell guys, 535 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: you know, maybe next year's your year. And there was 536 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 2: a stat that you pointed on earlier, but there's a 537 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 2: stat that when you make the final fifteen to like 538 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: eighty five percent of the guys eventually get in. Well, 539 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: I mean it's to say eventually and tell a guy 540 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: to wait eight, nine, ten years. Remember Eddrin, he got 541 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: tired of what he called a dog and pony show. 542 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: But he said once he got in, he might have 543 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 2: get on in a sixth year, seventh year. He said, 544 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 2: once you're in, you're in. But it's the journey to 545 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 2: get in and to have it's a great honor to 546 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 2: make the final fifteen. It is, but at some point 547 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: the frustration level, and we've had a few guys in 548 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame process that basically told the Hall 549 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: of Fame that quit putting me on there, I'm done 550 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: with it. But that that's really really rare, and it 551 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you're voted on, you're voted on anyway. 552 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 2: I don't want Reggie to get to the point that 553 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: he just says I'm done with it, you know, forget 554 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 2: about me, because what you got it can do is 555 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: you just keep knocking on the door. It's like the playoffs. 556 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: You keep knocking on the door, knocker on the door, 557 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: and then you get in and then we'll see what happens. 558 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 2: But once you're in, you're in, and the weight won't matter. 559 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: That's such a shame, though, that the process becomes this 560 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: crowning achievement of your life, that that almost becomes like 561 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: a you know, you're exhausted at the finish line of 562 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: a marathon. Like that's to me, that's not how it 563 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: should feel in terms of getting into the Hall of Fame. 564 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: But if you're not a first ballot or second year guy, 565 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: you're gonna wait. Yeah, most guys wait. And again the 566 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: problem we talked about their recency bias on things is 567 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: is we're so we're so fresh in our minds about 568 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: what Breeze did and Fitzgerald and in my mind Luke 569 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: Peakley and Vinnie and Reggie's been gone for a few 570 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: years now. Is last year was twenty fourteen, ten eleven 571 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: years ago. So, but but that that's why it should 572 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: It should come town on to your body at work. 573 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: What did you do when you played? And he was 574 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: at the absolute top of the list when he played 575 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: as was vinitary and I said, it's almost more impressive, 576 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: just as impressive with a kicker, because how quickly teams 577 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 2: get off kickers and nobody got off Vinnie. 578 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: He told he told me on the pod last week 579 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: that he went one for four in his second career 580 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: game in Parcels. The week after goes yeah kickers week 581 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: to week. 582 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: And that's that's how a lot of kickers are yeah, 583 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 2: but ones Vinnie established themselves. You know. One of the 584 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 2: big moves that Jim Mersey made was signing Vinnie away 585 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: from the Patriots in two thousand and six and was 586 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: at the second round game playoffs in Baltravens. Yeah, fifteen 587 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 2: to six. And when you do that, I mean when 588 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 2: you point the games and it's not like that was 589 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 2: his biggest game. It wasn't that. There was again all 590 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: those other ones. I wish the bottom the defining factor 591 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: was body of work. And somebody said it and it's 592 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: over dramatic, but can they tell the history of the 593 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 2: NFL without this guy with Vinnie you can't, yep. I 594 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: mean most of the ninety five percent of the guys 595 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 2: you probably can tell the history of the game. Kurt Warner. 596 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: You can argue whether he's a Hall of Famer, but 597 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: his story and it's hard not to tell the history 598 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: of the league without Kurt Warner and what he did. 599 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: But it shouldn't come to that level. You should be 600 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: able to have the kind of career that Reggie had, 601 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 2: and certainly the kind of career that Vinnie had and said, yeah, 602 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: of course, you know, Reggie's not in the Hall of Fame. Men, 603 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: are you serious? No, I'm serious because for whatever reason, 604 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: he hasn't got enough national support. Hopefully that's still to come. 605 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: Before I get you out of here, Chap, I want 606 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: to kind of leave the Hall of Fame discussion to 607 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: the side because you're you are one of my favorite 608 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: people to talk football with, because you have this encyclopedia 609 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: of knowledge of the game dating back to when the 610 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: Colts arrived here and right and you've been You've literally 611 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: seen every single moment of the Indianapolis Colts as a franchise. 612 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: I brought this up to you in the media room 613 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: before we recorded the pod, that I wanted to talk 614 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: about maybe like the biggest sliding doors moment in cult's 615 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: history that isn't Andrew Luck retiring. I think that's the 616 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: one that you can easily point to and say, well, 617 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: if this doesn't happen, this, this, this right, give me 618 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: your biggest sliding doors moments of you know, this happens 619 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: and it leads to all this versus if this doesn't happen, 620 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: it leads to all of this in cults history. 621 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 2: Well, it's December of nineteen ninety seven and the Colts 622 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: go the last game of the last weekend of the season. 623 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: The Colts go to Minnesota with Jim Harball and would 624 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 2: have won the game. The Colts would have been three 625 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: and twelve at the time I guess it was. They were, yeah, 626 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: and if they win the game, which they would have 627 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: won if Jim Harball stayed healthy and he just got 628 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 2: to be Jesus knocked out of him. I mean he 629 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 2: left the game twice or whatever. And they bring in Kelly Holcomb. 630 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: God bless this hol because he was a Kelly was 631 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 2: pretty good backup quarterback. Not that day he had ten 632 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 2: he had ten dropback situations and he had three interceptions 633 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 2: in two fumbles, two sack fumbles, and two loss fumbles. 634 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: So the game got away because. 635 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: He turned the ball over on half his dropback right 636 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: not good. 637 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 2: I don't care whatever analytic should use. So the Colts 638 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: get beat on thirty nine, twenty something whatever to go 639 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 2: to three and thirteen. But what they had to have 640 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 2: happened also was Arizona was trailing twenty six fourteen to Atlanta, 641 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 2: to Atlanta and in the fourth quarter and Jake Plumber 642 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 2: throws two touchdown passes and Arizona wins. And so if 643 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 2: Arizona loses, Arizona has the first pick. The Colts probably 644 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 2: dropped the three we were looking I think three or four. 645 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: Yes, they would have been. They would have been picking 646 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: probably behind the Chargers. 647 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 2: Chargers, And so that that's the moment. 648 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: And if Jake Plumber to Larry Centers for a one 649 00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: yard touchdown. 650 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 2: Right and game over, and Jim Mercy, I'm sure he 651 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 2: was beating on somebody's back as we did it. We 652 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 2: did it by losing. Because if that does, if both 653 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 2: of those and then what if Peyton comes out the 654 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 2: year before the draft, yeah, which you could have done. 655 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 2: I think he would have been to the Jets. He 656 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 2: probably like, nah, I don't want to go to the Jets. 657 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 2: But without that, there's no Peyton. And then and then what. 658 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: In this in this scenario, the Colts in the ninety 659 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: eight draft, if they don't get the number one PI, 660 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: they're probably picking third and you're taking you might take 661 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: Charles Woodson maybe right or Wadsworth. Curtis Enis was a 662 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: top five pick that year. 663 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 2: But who's your quarterback? 664 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: Who's your quarterback? 665 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 2: And as we've seen through the years, without a quarterback, 666 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 2: it's just hard to win. So and again that's when 667 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 2: the dominoes start falling, and you know, Peyton shows up 668 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 2: in it. I've always said the two what Bill Polian's 669 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,760 Speaker 2: two biggest moves was Peyton number one and Edwin James 670 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 2: number one the next year, and it could have been 671 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 2: Ricky Williams. It could have been Ryan leafand Ricky Williams. Right, 672 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 2: and then where are you? Well, we know we might 673 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 2: not be sitting here now. Uh. I truly believe, with 674 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 2: nothing to support it that if Peyton's not here and 675 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 2: everybody around him, because it was a great team with 676 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 2: great players, if that doesn't happen, how does Jim Mersey 677 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: keep this team in Indianapolis? I don't know because as 678 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 2: much as he was committed to Indianapolis and making it 679 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 2: work and and and resisting the urges that were always 680 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 2: there to move the team to la or somebody even 681 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 2: mentioned Cleveland or when Cleveland left, when the Braws left Cleveland. 682 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: That was probably some spiteful person in Baltimore. 683 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 2: Right right, And they're still they still are still there 684 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 2: at their life. So but but what would there be 685 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 2: would there would this team have had a level of success, 686 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 2: would there be Lucas oil? There certainly wouldn't be a 687 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: statue out front? So and what what would that? What 688 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 2: would that have done to the growth of the city, 689 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 2: which was really has really taken off, And maybe it 690 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 2: would have without the Colts still being here. But being 691 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 2: part of the NFL just makes you different. It just 692 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,439 Speaker 2: people hate to hear it, but it does. You're You're 693 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 2: just different. And that's not to throw shade on the 694 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 2: Pacers at all. So what Peyton was able to do 695 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 2: was able to allow the team to do adding Edgren 696 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 2: and then Freeny and Mathis and and and Reggie Dallas 697 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 2: Clark all on and on and on. Uh And what 698 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 2: that decade of the two thousands was was it was amazing. 699 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 2: And but if not for those two games, what I mean, 700 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 2: where are you? And it's it's one of those really 701 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 2: interesting things to talk about because it would not have 702 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 2: been the same, things would have been different. 703 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Mike Chapel, it's always good talking with you. Fox 704 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: fifty nine. Check it his work there on Fox fifty 705 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 1: nine's website, the Dean of the Colts Beat and a 706 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame selector, Mike Chapel, Thanks for joining me 707 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,439 Speaker 1: here on the Colt Show. 708 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 2: My pleasure. 709 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: Back here on the Colt Show. We are presented by 710 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 1: Microsoft Surface Copilot plus PC. Greatness in the NFL is 711 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: built on preparation and quick decisions. 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You 721 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: talked you that so long