1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, it is Thursday, August fourteenth. She is 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: an icon, and she wrote one of the most iconic, 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: most important songs that we have ever heard. And she 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: deserves a Kennedy Center honor. So why are some people 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: suggesting that she not do it, telling her she shouldn't 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: do it, and even given her all kinds of hell 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: for daring to accept an honor she so greatly deserves. 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Amy and TJ. We of course wrote to 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: talking about Gloria Gayner. President trumpde the announcement of the 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: Kenny Center Honors recipients. She was among them, and she 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: stood out to certain people. I guess for certain reasons. 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: That's right. Her iconic song I Will Survive is an 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: anthem for so many women out there, and certainly has 14 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: been one for me. I have I know every word 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: to the song, as I think most women do. But 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: it's also become an anthem for the LGBTQ plus community, 17 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: especially in the eighties during the AIDS epidemic. A lot 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: of that community took that song personally and took it 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: as their own as a part of their identity. This 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 2: song means a lot to a lot of people. 21 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was. This woman is iconic. Yes, she 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: was a disco queen of course in the seventies and eighties, 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: had several hits, but she's one ropes out and they 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: made me think of our girl fight song. 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Rachel plattin Rachel Platten. 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: That's a bunch of great songs, a bunch of great hits. 27 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: But anytime you see her, there are certain people, anytime 28 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: you see them that they have songs that are events 29 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: and you can't wait for that thing. And this is 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: the one she will always and forever be attached to, 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: no matter how seven Grammy nominations, two Grammys, no matter 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: what she did her I think fifty something albums. It 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: goes so amazing, you say, Gloria Gayner, that's one thing 34 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna think, and that's okay. 35 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: Yes, you hear that piano at the beginning, and you 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: know exactly what song that is the first three seconds 37 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: of the song, and you know what you're about to hear. 38 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: That's how iconic and just familiar this song is and 39 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: what it does to you when you hear those Oh 40 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: you just you're ready. You jump up on the dance floor, 41 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: you hit the mic. If you are in a karaoke bar. 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: You sing along and you feel something when you hear 43 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: this song. 44 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, first I was afraid. I was petrified, thinking you 45 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: just keep going. It doesn't matter who you are, you know, 46 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: it means different things to different people. But when you 47 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: hear the song, you can't help But like that song. Yeah, 48 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: you don't have to attach something personal in your life 49 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: to go Hell, yeah, I'm loving what I'm hearing. So 50 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: why in God's name everybody, no excuse me, not everybody. 51 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: A whole bunch of folks, including some now very prominent 52 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: in some high profile folks coming out and saying she 53 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: should not accept the award. Well, obviously it has to 54 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: do with President Trump and an idea or thought sometimes 55 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: just automat if you are certain things in certain demographics, 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: then you should not. According to some people, how dare 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: you support President Trump in any way, form or fashion. 58 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: See And here's where I disagree with people who would 59 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: make that statement or even in any way suggest she 60 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: should walk away from one of the highest honors of 61 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: this country for her work and her value. 62 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: And nobody's arguing that she shouldn't get it, by the way. 63 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: Because I don't believe accepting an award from someone from 64 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: a controversial person who's either presenting the award, had anything 65 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: to do with picking you for the award. I don't 66 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: think that has anything to do with your politics. You're 67 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: not endorsing a political figure or a controversial figure, or 68 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: even someone's politics by accepting an award from someone about 69 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: your work. The award is about your contribution. The award 70 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: is about your work. The award is about you, it's 71 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: not about the person presenting it. And that's just where 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: I stand on that. 73 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: I am in agreement on all of that. Gloria Kana, 74 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: do it ever the hell you want to do, first 75 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: and foremost, if she wants to take it and go 76 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: accept the honor, knock yourself out. And she should and 77 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't feel any kind of way about it. If she 78 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: were to come out and say no, I don't for 79 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: this reason, that is okay as well. I just think 80 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: for either decision she makes, she shouldn't be criticized, she 81 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't be taken so should be taken the task for it. 82 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: And I don't think she owes anybody anything. 83 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: That's true as well. 84 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,239 Speaker 2: And I think you know she's she's been an outspoken person. 85 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 2: She's lived enough of her life, I hope. And we 86 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: haven't heard from her directly in response to any of this. 87 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: I think it's a it's fairly new. This uproar people 88 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: at least asking her to not accept this award. We 89 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: even heard her respond. I don't know that she will, 90 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: but you know what, if she does, I'm here for it. 91 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: I'd love to hear what she has to say, because 92 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: she has been very straightforward about her feelings and she's 93 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: not a political figure. She's never talked about her politics. 94 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: She's never gotten into politics. No, I've seen people trying 95 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: to find out if she's registered as a Republican or 96 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 2: registered as a Democrat, or how she votes. You know what, 97 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: why does that matter? This is about her music. This 98 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: is about her contribution to all of us. And every 99 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: time I hear that song, I am so impressed with 100 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 2: that song. That song is like I think my girls 101 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: know that song. It doesn't matter how old you are 102 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: or how young you are. You know that song. 103 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: Does it matter if I told you right now she's 104 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: been a Republican for the past thirty years and voted 105 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: for Trump three times. Wait, you don't like the song anymore? 106 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 2: I don't think that that should be a part of 107 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: someone's art. Who is? 108 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: But isn't that some people's mindset these days? And that's fine, 109 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: But it just we have to separate in some way. 110 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: They're not evil people just because they don't think like 111 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: you on every single social issue. She made a kick 112 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: ass song. Now she's not being accused of murder. That's different. 113 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: I mean, she was convicted. It's hard to be on 114 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: the dance floor jam into a convicted murderer song. We 115 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: ain't talking about that, right. 116 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: She hasn't done anybody wrong, She hasn't committed any crime. 117 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: She hasn't done anything controversial, frankly. 118 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: Until now. So if you all did see the news, obviously, 119 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: President Trump has obviously put his stamp on the Kennedy Center, 120 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: the Performing Arts center there in DC. He changed the 121 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: board out, made himself the chairman, filled the board with 122 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: his own people. And now it sounds like he has 123 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: almost hand picked what was ninety eight percent involved. 124 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: Yes, that's what he said. 125 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: Is what he said. So he picked people here kiss, 126 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: Sylvester Stallone, George Strait, Michael Crawford, of course, a Phantom 127 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: of the opera, Yes, Sink Glory Ganna. Those five people, 128 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: I think I think five people Kiss as a group. 129 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: Of course for those guys, but these five groups, these 130 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: five artists, are all deserving. But the suggestion is he 131 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: picked and he said this, He didn't. He rejected some 132 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: woke folk who might have been up for the honor. 133 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: So this is now political to where there might be 134 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: an artist and obviously there are deserving artists out there, 135 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: but he is coming out and saying out loud if 136 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: he believes that you, the artists, have done anything that 137 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: is a woke agenda or maybe even anti him, he's 138 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: not going. 139 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: To honor you. But interestingly, he said that because if 140 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: you look back at Kiss, a couple members of the band, 141 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: including Gene Simmons, have said things on Twitter on social 142 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: media speaking out against Trump policies. So I thought that 143 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: was interesting as well. He still went with Kiss. He 144 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: and George Simmons, I mean, Gene Simmons, I think went 145 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: way back before politics and had a friendship of sorts. 146 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: But Gene Simmons has publicly admonished his politics. 147 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: The entire group put out a joint statement yes, thanking 148 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: the President for this honor. All of these people agreed 149 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,119 Speaker 1: to this before Trump made the announcement. He wasn't gonna 150 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: come out there and say I'm honoring this person and 151 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: that person's at No, I'm not gonna show up. This 152 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: was all agreed to. So whatever they have said in 153 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: the past, it was not enough, didn't rise to the level. 154 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: And certainly they made somebody the White House comfortable enough 155 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 1: that they're okay and in this camp. So Gloria Gainna 156 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: too had to say yes ahead of time. He wasn't 157 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 1: gonna risk that at all, so she said yes. Should 158 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: she have said yes? Is the question? But Rose we 159 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: talk about the song now, I mean, it's the anthem, 160 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: it is, But who are the two not three groups? 161 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: I guess you could say that the president is accused 162 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: of hating the most if you will quote unquote with 163 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: the word hate there, but going after or attacking or 164 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: not taking care of most minorities, women, and the LGBTQ 165 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: plus community. 166 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: She embodies all three of those with that song ones all. 167 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: Everybody can embrace that and see her as a hero, 168 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: and they see him as something opposite. So now they 169 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: see their hero getting chummy to a certain degree or 170 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: being willing to be there with him. That probably does sting. 171 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: Initially it does sting, but I also think could we 172 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: not look at it as we're not or folks who 173 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 2: don't agree with Trump's policies don't have to play politics 174 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 2: the way Trump does. We don't have to be mean 175 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: spirit and say I'm not going to take your award 176 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: because I don't like you. If he's going to say 177 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: I'm not going to give you the award because I 178 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: don't like you, let him. But that doesn't mean the 179 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 2: response has to be then I'm not going to accept 180 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: the award because I don't like you. I actually think 181 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: it could be an amazing bridge to at least say, hey, 182 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: we don't have to agree. We don't like how he 183 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: speaks to people, we don't like how he treats people, 184 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: and we don't even like the decisions he makes or 185 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: how he makes the decisions. However, if I am being 186 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: awarded something, I am going to graciously accept it because 187 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: I deserve it. And maybe in doing so, you show 188 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: that it doesn't have to be a tit for Tat, 189 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: that she doesn't have to take a public stance against him, 190 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: that she doesn't have to refuse an honor. I just 191 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: think that it's going down into a similar lower level 192 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: of reaction and communication when you respond to someone because 193 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: of the way they respond, that's. 194 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: Very high brow of you to take it that way. 195 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: I would just absolutely say she deserves the honor, so 196 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to get it just because it's President 197 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: Trump is the one handing it to you. To your point, yes, well, 198 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: this is mogieur Obama's famous line. When they go low, 199 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: we go high. Yes, get it okay. And now Democrats 200 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: are doing what out there, fight fire with fire now here, 201 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: So they are actually ramping up to say we now 202 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: want to get just as mean and nasty as we're 203 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: accusing the other side of doing. So to what you're saying, 204 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: I think is wonderful. One woman on one stage, on 205 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: one night, I don't know how much farther down the 206 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: road is to get us to reverse that. You are right, 207 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: you should not. You cannot do it just because they 208 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: did it. No, you can't do it. 209 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: I actually, I actually think it would be terrible if 210 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: now she refused to do it. It just everyone looks ugly, 211 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: everyone looks mean spirited, everyone looks small. Everyone. You know, 212 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 2: when you can't handle or tolerate someone else because you 213 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: don't like how they act. First of all, this is 214 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: the President of the United States, and the world is watching. 215 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: I think, I actually think the right thing to do 216 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 2: is to not play into that, to not participate in that, 217 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: to not add to the negativity, to not create that acrimony, 218 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: and to accept something because you deserve it and leave 219 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: it like that. There shouldn't be. I know he's bringing 220 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 2: politics into it, but it doesn't mean everyone else has to, 221 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: and it certainly I think means a Gloria Gaynor doesn't 222 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: have to and shouldn't have to, and I hope she doesn't. Man. 223 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: Oh she sings that night, though I do too. By 224 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: the way, if you don't know, she has continued to tour. 225 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: I think she's what eighty one or something like that now, 226 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: but she continues. She's out there doing her things. She's active. 227 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: She looks good. 228 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: I saw her, she just did. I mean, CBS is 229 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: going to be broadcasting this as that's a whole other 230 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: story or a whole other podcast. But CBS is going 231 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 2: to be broadcasting the Kennedy Center Honors in December, and 232 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: they started doing profiles on the recipients, and I watched 233 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: the Gloria Gainer one and she looks unbelievable. I can 234 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 2: she used that she's eighty one. I think eighty one, babe, 235 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: she looks fifty one, and so she's doing something right. 236 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 2: I gotta say that because she looked great and she 237 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: was was It was joyful, she was proud, she was excited, 238 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: she was playing her song, she was talking about what 239 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: it meant to her and acknowledging what it means to 240 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: so many people. I love that she's getting this honor. 241 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: It is a huge honor. 242 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: I considered that option. What if the next president decides 243 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: to do a do good like lawyer Gaina didn't want 244 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: the honor when President Trump was in office. So the 245 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: next president Susi gets in office, first year Kennedy Center 246 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: honor is gonna bring her back? 247 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: What if it's jd Vance? Can she not accept it? Then? 248 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: Okay? But my thought was, she's eighty one. You know 249 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, This life is short. Why are you 250 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: getting onto this woman to be denied this moment in 251 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: this room with everybody standing up and clapping and honoring 252 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: her for a lifetime of achievement. Take the moment, lady, 253 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna watch it, and when I see her, 254 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be going, Oh, she's there with Trump. 255 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna like, damn, that's a good song. 256 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, I love what you just said. I 257 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: so agree with that, and I just I don't think 258 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: it's fair. I don't think it's fair for other women. 259 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair for anyone who's a member 260 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: of an oppressed group that thinks that she somehow represents them, 261 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: and by accepting this gift, it's a slap in the face. 262 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: I think everyone needs to get out of her business. 263 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: I think everyone needs to let her do what she 264 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: wants to do and stop judging. That's the end of it. Like, 265 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: stop judging people and stop putting what you would do 266 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: on someone else. That's so unfair. 267 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: That's what judges. The word I'm always looking for, and 268 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: you always bring me back to that word and everything 269 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about here. It's okay to it's actually okay 270 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: to criticize. It's okay to actually be hurt by the decision. 271 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: It's okay to wish that she not do it. When 272 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: we start with the name calling and the vicious back 273 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: and forth and it all turns into politics, we don't 274 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: have to go that far. But still, to your point, Robes, 275 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: just she could do what she has she wants to do, 276 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: and she doesn't have to be judged for its speaking 277 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: of there was at least one high profile criticism that's 278 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: coming from a cast member of the view who's talking 279 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: Anna Navarro, who put out a pretty long statement that 280 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: Robes talking about the time she actually met Gloria Gaynor. 281 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: Let me see this she Trump and now as he 282 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: picked her, or said when she plans the host, I'm 283 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: bringing it here. This is what she said. Look, the 284 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: woman is a goddess and deserves all the flowers that 285 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: come her way. But I wish she wouldn't accept an 286 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: award from the hands of a man who has attacked 287 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: the rights and history of women, people of color, and LGBTQ. 288 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: The gay community in particular, helped turn her signature song 289 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: into an anthem. Trump is a stain on the prestige 290 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: and significance of the Kennedy Center honors. Don't do it, Gloria, 291 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: that's just judgy. I know she can wish this, and 292 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: she could be passionate as well, and she can wish 293 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: she didn't do it. But that line, I saw your 294 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: whole body just shift when I said it, Robes like 295 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: helped you, like you owe this to other people. That 296 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: is exactly not make a decision for yourself. 297 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: I just got chill when you said that. That's it. 298 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: That's it. That's where I well, there are a couple 299 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: issues I take. I don't think it's fair at all 300 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: to ell, an artist whose song is phenomenal, legendary, Grammy 301 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: Award winning, that somehow she owes her success to marginalized 302 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: communities and she owes them something in return by not 303 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: receiving this honor. She should deny herself this honor because 304 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: she owes her success, this song, in particular to marginalized 305 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: groups who now need her to speak for them in 306 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: opposition of Trump. I think that is so unfair and 307 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: I don't like it one bit. 308 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: That's tough. And obviously we know Annonavarro a bit. We 309 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: know she's not ever coming from a bad place. 310 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: She's a lovely person. We've had time with her. Oh 311 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: she's wonderful. I just disagree with her. 312 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: I just I do I and she can feel this 313 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: taking issue with the opinion. But then when you turn 314 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: this now and now it is coming from a place 315 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: of judgment, you, Gloria Gainer, can't shouldn't do that. It's 316 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: a become a judge me saying I wish you wouldn't 317 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: do this for these reasons, versus. 318 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 2: Don't do it. 319 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: Don't do this that I think you know, words are 320 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: big for me and just the way that comes off 321 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: frames of conversation around this differently, And that's the I mean, 322 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure she's passioned and believes what she's saying, but 323 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: is this the case now? Can no woman can, no 324 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: person of color, can no person from the LGBTQ plus 325 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: community be fair or still support their own community. If 326 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,719 Speaker 1: they go by the White House for a ceremony they 327 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: were invited to, if they were invited to go to 328 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: a lunch at the White House, if they were lucky 329 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: enough to if your kids got invited to the Easter 330 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: egg role, where do we cut that off? 331 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: If your team is being honored at the White House. 332 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: You know, we've seen these types of things happened before 333 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 2: Shadora Sanders even went out and publicly said, Hey, I 334 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: was invited to be a part of. I forgot what 335 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: Sports Task Force Trump the Trump administration asked to be 336 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 2: a part of, and he wanted to let everyone know 337 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 2: he turned it down. But it becomes this sort of 338 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: thing where now are you expected to not participate in 339 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 2: things that are holy American, that are traditional that had 340 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: been a part of this country because you don't like 341 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: who's in office, and that's dangerous. 342 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: And everybody we have to she's everybody knows that listens 343 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: to our podcast. Everyone knows Robaka's not the biggest sports 344 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: person in the world. You're talking about Saquon Barkley. 345 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 2: Gosh, I really screwed that. 346 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: Up saying chaudors name. People will sit up. But yes, 347 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: it was a task force that a council has. She 348 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: knows the difference between the two. She's just she was 349 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: getting going on something else. I just wanted to make 350 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: sure we clear the right. 351 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: You're right, that's how bad I am. Sports football players 352 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: well sometimes the black that's not even funny. But the 353 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: chances were okay anyway on Berley, Sorry sorry, sorry, But 354 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: the point that they even tried, and like who got 355 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 2: photographed playing golf with President Trump? That was another issue. 356 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: It's like, if you're black and you should not be 357 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 2: photographed with Trump because now you are turning your back 358 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 2: on your community. 359 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: Ah, all right, And here's the thing, folks, everybody's trying 360 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: to figure out what Gloria Gainner is politics are what 361 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: she has said in the past, Well, she has said 362 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: something and even when she it came out of her mouth, 363 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: she knew it was probably gonna get her into trouble 364 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: because she had to open her mouth and say, you 365 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: know what, feminism ain't my thing. 366 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: Before we go to break, I have to tell you 367 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 2: about new leggings I've been living in lately. 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Gloria Gainer a recipient 383 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: of this year's Kennedy Center Honor, and some are saying 384 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: she shouldn't accept the war because it's Trump given it 385 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: to her, so. 386 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: Broke. 387 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: So many people are against her doing it have come 388 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: out because they're saying her anthem I Will Survive was 389 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: about marginalized communities. It was LGBTQ plus community. It's about women, 390 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 1: and these are groups they say have been marginalized by 391 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: this president or outright attacked. But when it comes to ropes, 392 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: I was surprised to find this this is her, not 393 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: just this one. She has several songs that sound like 394 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: this is a lady who has absolutely got the fist 395 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: in the air on all women's issues. She is a 396 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: general now in the feminism movie, Yes. 397 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: And I would say a lot of women who've gone 398 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: through a heartbreak or are angry at a boyfriend or 399 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: a husband or an ex or whatever, they'll sing this song. 400 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 2: At first, I was afraid. I was petrified, thinking I 401 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: could never live without you by my side. So it's 402 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 2: about female empowerment, right, So you would assume the Gloria 403 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: Gayner is a self proclaimed and proud feminist. Yes, right, 404 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 2: she is iconic in the feminist movement with that song alone. 405 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: But if you actually do some research on Gloria Gainer, 406 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: she has not been quiet about this. She has been 407 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: very straightforward about this. She says the biggest misconception about her, 408 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: and she even says it may be dangerous to say this, 409 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 2: but the biggest misconception, she says, is that she's a feminist. 410 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: It's incredible because she's not. She's not a feminist. 411 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 1: So I kind of remember how this question was set 412 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: up to the she was doing. It was an online interview, 413 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: but yeah, that was the question, what has been like 414 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: through your whole career and at this point it's been 415 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: a long one in all those decades, she said, people 416 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: still don't get that right about her. I'm not a feminist. 417 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: That's the next quote is hilarious. 418 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 2: She says. People say it to me, and since you're 419 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 2: a feminist, dot dot dot, and she stops them, No, 420 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: not really. I love men. By the way, you can 421 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: be a feminist in love men too. I just want 422 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 2: to say that. But anyway, she says, I love men. 423 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 2: I love men who know who they are and are 424 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 2: strong enough to take their place, but also strong enough 425 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 2: to recognize a woman's strengths and who are able to 426 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 2: allow her to exercise those strengths and realize that we 427 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 2: are to be partners and not opponents. I grew up 428 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: with five brothers, and I love men. 429 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: That's an interesting take. 430 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: What do you make of that? I, you know, I 431 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: think that you can be a feminist and love men. 432 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: I would actually say I'm a feminist and I love 433 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: men because I think some you know, we at times 434 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 2: need to sup to find ways to support each other 435 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 2: because we have been marginalized around the world. So yes, 436 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: I don't know you can define a feminist anyway. But 437 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: I think she was concerned that a lot of times 438 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: people do associate that with women who hate men or 439 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 2: women who want to That's what she was saying, right, 440 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 2: And so she's saying, look, I love men, I have 441 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: nothing against men, even though this song obviously she was 442 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: angry at a guy. Right, she was like, you know, 443 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to change the lock, and yes, all of that. 444 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: What I found interesting about her answer is that she 445 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: wasn't asked about feminism. She could have gone a bunch 446 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: of different directions. She chose to stand up and say 447 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: I am not a feminist. Yes, it's not a matter 448 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: of going through her career. And you know what, she 449 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: never said out loud that she is a feminist. She 450 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: decided to voluntarily say this. Good on her. Her explanation 451 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: is what it is. But I was surprised when I 452 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 1: actually saw that. 453 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 2: I was too. I did not know that. And she 454 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 2: is a strong woman of faith, that is her. She 455 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: hasn't said if she's political. Again, she says she's not 456 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: a feminist, but one thing she will say loud and 457 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: clear is that she is a woman of faith. 458 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and her faith has led to some questions about 459 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: how she feels about the gay community. And she has 460 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 1: an interview back on BBC BBC several years ago and 461 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: she made this comment about the gay community. I want 462 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: to lead them to Christ and what he has for them. 463 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: I want to lead them to him. I want to 464 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: lead them to the truth. Now. She was then about 465 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: asked about that Robes in a follow up interview minim 466 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: of years yet later. I think this is with NPR. 467 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: But that relevant quote, you see, I haven' highlighted day. 468 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: Oh yes, so she was asked, and actually it was 469 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 2: reference that some people took that to mean. When she 470 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 2: said I want to lead them to Christ and what 471 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 2: he has for them, a lot of people took that 472 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: to mean you were against homosexuality and against LGBT people. 473 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 2: Would you like to explain what you meant by that, 474 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: So Gayner said, I'm not against Since she laughed, she said, 475 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 2: I thought this was self explanatory what I said. I'm 476 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 2: not against anybody. I just am a full believer that 477 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 2: God knows and wants only what's best for each and 478 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: every one of us, and is the only one that 479 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: can bring it to pass if we rely on him. 480 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: That is the beginning and end of my thoughts about it. 481 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: So she did go on to say that she has 482 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 2: nephews who are gay, she has friends who are gay. 483 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 2: Her fan club president is gay. She said. She also 484 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: meant she and that people who work with her are gay, 485 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: so she has She says that none of them have 486 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 2: any misgivings or misunderstandings about how she feels about homosexuality homosexuality, 487 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: but she also says that they know I will go 488 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: to my grave loving them. So that was a little Well, 489 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 2: how did you take that? You know. 490 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: She explained that the next one here gets me. She said, 491 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: none of it taints my ability to love them, and 492 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: I think that is what's important. Oh, she's a woman 493 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: of faith, she's not. I mean, nothing suggests she's against 494 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: the gay community or against the LGBTQ plus rights. But 495 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: you could take it for what it is. Right she 496 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: is saying or seem to suggest or doesn't seem to 497 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: be a full throated even if she supports the community, 498 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: at least her faith and her faith, it doesn't sound 499 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: like she is a huge endorser. 500 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 2: No, she just goes back to God, goes back to 501 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: the Bible. She said that it doesn't taint her ability 502 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: to love homosexual community, but it did seem as though 503 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: she was saying she doesn't believe that that is God's plan. 504 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,239 Speaker 2: But that's not up to her. I mean, that was 505 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: what the interpretation could be. She said, I agree with 506 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 2: the word of God from Genesis to Revelations, and I 507 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 2: would advise or hope that anyone who wants to know 508 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: what that is would read it for themselves. 509 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: There you have, that's the extent of it of what 510 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: people trying to dig up and figure out, and who 511 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: is she and dous she lean and who she supports. Yes, 512 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: the president has, by his own admission, made this political. 513 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: Do the rest of us have to all five of 514 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: these acts? These artists, even if I at Crawford, I 515 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: didn't even know his name when I first heard it. 516 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: But oh the guy who originated Phantom of the Opera, well, yeah, 517 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: George strait can't damn you a single song. But I 518 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: understand kiss same thing. It's not on a playlist. Knock 519 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: yourselves out. I respect all of that, Sylvester Salon as 520 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: a no brainer. I just I love, appreciate, And I 521 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: was going back and was planning on watching some old 522 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: Rambo movies. I was planning on. 523 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 2: Rocky, one of the best films ever made, ever made, 524 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: ever made. 525 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: And listen to Gloria again all morning this morning. I 526 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: just respect and appreciate the arts. And this is a 527 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: moment to give them the flowers, as we. 528 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: Say, I think it's an opportunity to recognize their contributions, 529 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 2: all of those incredible artists. And let's not care about 530 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 2: what their politics are. Let's not judge them for what 531 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 2: they believe or who they voted for, or who they 532 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: are as political people, but just as unbelievable artists who 533 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: gave us so much and deserve this moment on stage 534 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: and deserve this award. And I think if we yes, 535 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: I love what you just said. Trump did make this 536 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 2: pop political, but we don't have to. He can make 537 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: it political, but we don't have to. We don't have 538 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: to buy into that. We don't have to react to 539 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: it on that level through that lens. We can just 540 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: look at it as a to recognize I love the eighties. 541 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: By the way, he really went all out these all 542 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: of these artists are all from the nineteen eighties, So 543 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,239 Speaker 2: you know it's he did pick a decade, and it's 544 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: a really good decade. I love the eighties. 545 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: You know what, I forgot something I was about to 546 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: tell you to sign off here. There's a song by 547 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: Gloria Gayner that a lot of people might not know. 548 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: First be a Woman. First be a Woman is the 549 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: name of the song. I encourage all of you, after 550 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: this conversation you've heard us have and all that's going 551 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: on around her, listen to the song, First be a woman, 552 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: and then apply it to all of this. But the 553 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: theme of the song is essentially her talking about in 554 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: all these things, we all do the first thing you 555 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: need to be as a woman. This is another anthem, 556 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: but it starts off. You can go to Harvard, you 557 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: can be a pilot, you can be an astronaut, but 558 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: first be a woman. 559 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 2: Wow. 560 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: It's a really incredible song that goes overboard embracing feminism. 561 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: It goes over bored feminism. 562 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: Also the separation, if you will, in some traditional part 563 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: of our society. 564 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: I am I want to listen to this because this 565 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: is amazing. When he takes you for a ride, let 566 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 2: him open you the door, when he asks you for 567 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 2: a dance, let him lead you to the floor, when 568 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: he kisses you good night, and you just leave him 569 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 2: wanting more. You can do all you can say. I 570 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: am what I am, but first be a woman. 571 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: It's a theme like you wouldn't believe. But if a 572 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: lot of people feel that way about her, and feel 573 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: that way about her music, and feel that way about 574 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: her being a female empowerment icon, you can see why 575 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: some might be bothered. I'll play this for you all right, folks, Yes, 576 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: check out the song, First be a Woman. 577 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: We always as sorry, We. 578 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: Always appreciate y'all hanging with us. We'll see y'all soon.