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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are rounding up New York Comic
Speaker 2: Con news and other news you will be interested in,
Speaker 2: including the status.
Speaker 3: Of the Blade movie.
Speaker 2: Boohoo on that one, but maybe good news for mahersh
Speaker 2: Lali maybe maybe, and more. And in the airlock, we
Speaker 2: are going to be talking about that unbelievable top tier
Speaker 2: episode of Agatha or Along, which is already being spoken
Speaker 2: of in hush tones about it being one of the
Speaker 2: best things, if not the best thing, that Disney plus
Speaker 2: TV has ever done.
Speaker 3: I mean, what an episode I cannot wait to talk to.
Speaker 1: You about it, but first, previously on First Up in News,
Speaker 1: DC's Jimley and Friends comics panel from IGN dropped a
Speaker 1: whole lot of news.
Speaker 2: There was so much news at this panel. First are
Speaker 2: big news for Jim Lee and Jeff Lobe fans. I
Speaker 2: would say probably more Jim Lee fancy reuniting for a
Speaker 2: sequel to the two thousand and two two thousand and
Speaker 2: four Batman story Hush. Now this is not fully surprising
Speaker 2: because this has been a hugely influential story on the
Speaker 2: Batman on apparently more DC stuff that is in the works.
Speaker 2: There's rumors that Hush will be the villain in the
Speaker 2: Batman too. I will say there was already a just
Speaker 2: want to be like a well actually guy, There was
Speaker 2: already a sequel Heart of Hush Pauldini legendary, but this
Speaker 2: will be a direct sequel from what they're saying.
Speaker 3: The logo for it is H two s H.
Speaker 2: So the internet has been talking about how do you
Speaker 2: is it h two USh?
Speaker 3: Is it like my friend Mark said, is it like
Speaker 3: you pronounce for toosh? It's like hatouche? So who knows.
Speaker 2: We're interested in it, and it's actually going to begin
Speaker 2: really soon in Batman one fifty eight, which will be
Speaker 2: around March twenty twenty five, so it will come sooner
Speaker 2: than expected, even bigger news for me and Jason.
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, this is crazy, this is this
Speaker 3: is so big.
Speaker 2: Obviously, when we relaunched Here at iHeart, we had James
Speaker 2: Tyning come on, superstar writer and comic book creator who
Speaker 2: has really been revitalizing horror comics. We talked to him
Speaker 2: specifically about the Nice House on the Lake series and
Speaker 2: its continuation the Nice House by the Sea, and very excitingly,
Speaker 2: because of the success of those absolutely fantastic comics with
Speaker 2: Alvarro Martinez Bueno, DC is actually going to revive Vertigo
Speaker 2: as a.
Speaker 3: Creator owned imprint.
Speaker 2: Vertigo is obviously the legendary imprint that saw, you know,
Speaker 2: the home of retroactively Sam Man, Doom Patrol, Swamp thing
Speaker 2: and then became the home of things like Preacher and
Speaker 2: other legendary series. This is actually a tradition that DC
Speaker 2: has done with Doom Patrol. They retroactively added Vertigo to
Speaker 2: those an Animal Man, the Grant Morrison Animal Man stuff,
Speaker 2: and they are going to retroactively add the Vertigo banner
Speaker 2: to a reprint of the first issue of the nice
Speaker 2: house by the sea, and then from then on we
Speaker 2: will be getting more and it's a big deal for
Speaker 2: DC to be making create our own comics again.
Speaker 1: So am I to understand then, Rosie, that Black Label
Speaker 1: will continue but as a kind of but as a
Speaker 1: place where DC characters can be explored in alternate, more mature,
Speaker 1: gritty visions.
Speaker 3: I think currently that is the understanding.
Speaker 2: I would say, if this Vertigo relaunch goes well, and
Speaker 2: at the moment everything James Tynan touches is turning to
Speaker 2: gold and needs to gold turns to gold and it
Speaker 2: turns and he's got his tiny onion kind of banner
Speaker 2: where he's producing comics, producing you know, properties to be adapted.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Vertigo and Elseworld's
Speaker 2: become the main big thing. But there's always a chance
Speaker 2: that Black Label could exist, especially because one of the
Speaker 2: cool things about Black Label, in my opinion, is less
Speaker 2: about the content and more about the style. Because a
Speaker 2: lot of times they'll do magazine size books. It's kind
Speaker 2: of more of a banded decinay. You can get really
Speaker 2: interesting titles from solo cartoonists.
Speaker 3: So they could all they could all live alongside each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my sense is that Vertigo will be for creator
Speaker 1: owned and a black label will not be for creator owned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, because so in the old days, Vertigo is
Speaker 2: a very interesting situation because certain things that were created
Speaker 2: there were creator owned and other things were not. It
Speaker 2: was all dependent on the contract and the creator. But
Speaker 2: it sounds like from what they said at this panel,
Speaker 2: which is always the big DC News panel of the year,
Speaker 2: it sounds like this is going to be a creator
Speaker 2: owned banner. And I wouldn't be surprised if we saw
Speaker 2: some of James Tynan's kind of cohort that he the
Speaker 2: way he was kind of Scott Snyder's mentor. He now
Speaker 2: has a crew of young creators. I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 2: if we see some of them, Isaac Goodheart, people like
Speaker 2: that coming in and getting to do some of these
Speaker 2: creator own books at DC. So I think this is
Speaker 2: especially exciting if you're a Peacemaker fan. There was some
Speaker 2: fun Peacemaker news. Peacemaker is actually gonna get its own
Speaker 2: spin off comic directly connected to the TV show called
Speaker 2: The Vigilante Eagerly double feature, gonna be set between seasons
Speaker 2: one and two, kind of like what they did with
Speaker 2: My Adventures with Superman, and it's gonna be overseen by
Speaker 2: James Gunn. I think this will be fun. I loved Vigilante,
Speaker 2: that was my favorite part of the show, and obviously
Speaker 2: I'm big Godzilla fan, so this was fun. I also
Speaker 2: think I know Brian Bucachell butcher Leto and he's a
Speaker 2: really great guy, and he will be returning with artist
Speaker 2: Christian Juice for Justice League Versus Godzilla Versus Kong two
Speaker 2: and this is gonna be really cool because there's gonna
Speaker 2: be Kingadora, Radan Mothra and this will be coming out
Speaker 2: summer next year. Not a surprise that they're doing this
Speaker 2: because it was a huge success, but the art looks great.
Speaker 2: Christian Juice is a great artist, and I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna be fun to see. The first one was a
Speaker 2: little bit of a kind of taster on what a
Speaker 2: crossover like this could be. But I think it's going
Speaker 2: to be really fun to see the legendary Monster Verus
Speaker 2: expand in this DC world and see which villains are
Speaker 2: going to be there trying to weaponize the Titans. So
Speaker 2: I think this could be really fun. Great panel. Jim
Speaker 2: Ley never disappoints. If you ever ever at New York
Speaker 2: Comic Con, this is always a great panel to attend,
Speaker 2: great energy, awesome news, and who doesn't love Jimley.
Speaker 3: He's the best.
Speaker 1: He's great. The iconic artist and creator Marvel with news.
Speaker 1: They've announced that there's an upcoming Star Wars Jediight series.
Speaker 1: It will be released. It will take place before the
Speaker 1: Phantom Menace and is going to focus on the Jedi
Speaker 1: Order with an ensemble cast including Quai got Jin Obi Wan,
Speaker 1: your favorite nine hundred year old doddering Jedi Master Yoda.
Speaker 3: We have will will we ever get rid of this man?
Speaker 2: He has been causing problems in the galaxy for a
Speaker 2: very long.
Speaker 1: Time, everybody's favorite sad rich boy, Count Dooku, Shock ten,
Speaker 1: and some new characters too. The promar looks looks really fun.
Speaker 1: Count Dooku front and center there next to Qui Gunjin.
Speaker 1: The series will feature in overarching the Street and involving
Speaker 1: Qui gong Gin, and each issue is going to be
Speaker 1: focused on a different Jedi coming to you sounds.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of the expanded universes. Everyone knows
Speaker 2: the there's some great Jedi Night stuff in there, so
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see how this kind of how this
Speaker 2: kind of shakes out. And obviously we have been big
Speaker 2: supporters of the Star Wars comics.
Speaker 3: We love what they've been doing.
Speaker 2: There, so I will be very excited to see this.
Speaker 2: Always nice to have a new addition to law.
Speaker 1: New for you Wolverine heads out there, and we know
Speaker 1: that you're out there.
Speaker 3: You guys love Wolverine. Who doesn't like he's a beloved man.
Speaker 1: A beloved beloved Canadian man. There is a new ongoing series,
Speaker 1: Ultimate Wolverine, which we'll launch in twenty twenty five, written
Speaker 1: by Chris Condon, drawn by Sandro Capuccio. And for you
Speaker 1: Marvel Unlimited subscribers out there, like myself, lots of new
Speaker 1: Astonishing branded series are dropping on the platform, including Astonishing
Speaker 1: Spider Man episodes issues one and two available now, Astonishing
Speaker 1: X Men beginning in December twenty twenty four, and Astonishing Avengers.
Speaker 2: And I just want to say that, speaking of Marvel Unlimited,
Speaker 2: because we are here talking about here, I just want
Speaker 2: to shout out our pal, Pretty Chibba has an unbelievable
Speaker 2: book there right now called House of Haarkness. It's like
Speaker 2: a wonder vision Magic School Wonder is there with Jericho
Speaker 2: Drum who you may know as Voodoo. Just an absolutely
Speaker 2: beautiful series, really cool stuff, one of the coolest Marvel
Speaker 2: comics out there, and you can.
Speaker 3: Only read it on online.
Speaker 2: So I just say go read it because I really
Speaker 2: want it to become a real physical comic so I
Speaker 2: can so I can touch it in the shop.
Speaker 3: But it's absolutely delightful, big fan.
Speaker 1: Marvel also previewed their next big crossover event, One World
Speaker 1: under Doom, which drops Sebruary twenty twenty five, is part
Speaker 1: of the Rise of Emperor Doom series. Yes, sounds very relevant.
Speaker 1: I will say Marvel has been quite good in recent
Speaker 1: years at matching their comics releases to the kind of
Speaker 1: broad theme of whatever is happening in the in the
Speaker 1: movie space, that's right. Marvel spider Man two coming to
Speaker 1: PC January thirtieth. For Marvel spider Man two, the less
Speaker 1: copaganda version of the Spider Man video game series, attendees
Speaker 1: got to see a trailer for Daredevil Born Again, starring
Speaker 1: a long time Daredevil mask wielder, Charlie Cox and of
Speaker 1: course everybody's favorite bald crime lord, the Kingpin, played by
Speaker 1: Vincent Tinofrio. Premiering March fourth, twenty twenty five. And you know,
Speaker 1: the discourse I saw was like, wow, gritty tone and
Speaker 1: people are excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I saw some really great reactions of like
Speaker 2: apparently the biggest crowd reaction was when Foggy showed up,
Speaker 2: which I love.
Speaker 3: Because you know that's a true dead devil crawd.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta best, You've gotta be a dead devil
Speaker 4: devil set up sick as like Foggy shows up and
Speaker 4: everyone's outside the window.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Foggy Foggy. So yeah, I'm very interested in
Speaker 3: this once.
Speaker 2: I think as we get closer, we're definitely going to
Speaker 2: be talking about the Born Again comics and how this
Speaker 2: may or may not adapt that. I think it could
Speaker 2: be very intriguing. I also saw a lot of people
Speaker 2: talking about they hope, you know, we see Echo show
Speaker 2: up and stuff. So it's definitely going to be an
Speaker 2: interesting one. But from what everyone says, looks great and
Speaker 2: the cost I have to say they have. I know,
Speaker 2: obviously they are under contract, but generally their enthusiasm for
Speaker 2: the reimagined version of this series has been pretty high.
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like when you were asking the cost
Speaker 2: of game of Thrones, what they thought about the final season.
Speaker 3: Those are memes.
Speaker 1: I do wonder do you think that the response to
Speaker 1: Foggy played by Elden Henson is do you think it
Speaker 1: was actually mighty ducks heads and they were just excited,
Speaker 1: just excited to see from them.
Speaker 2: They were just ready, baby, They were like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I will say that I do think is really interesting
Speaker 2: about the Foggy fandom, especially within the TV show and stuff.
Speaker 2: I feel like most male characters like that a side
Speaker 2: character or something. And I'm sure the Internet will tell
Speaker 2: me that I'm wrong if I am wrong.
Speaker 3: But like, I feel like, usually that's like a shipping fandom,
Speaker 3: but I don't see many people shipping Matt and this.
Speaker 3: I feel like people just love.
Speaker 2: The fact that this superhero has a sensible best friend
Speaker 2: who is around and helps him out and says, bro like,
Speaker 2: don't be doing silly shit and do this, don't do it.
Speaker 2: Just how about you just focus on being a lawyer.
Speaker 2: Imagine that murderc and Foggy. Imagine that it will be
Speaker 2: interesting to see. But yeah, I'm very excited. Obviously the
Speaker 2: Netflix shows, which we are going to be talking.
Speaker 3: About more extensively in months coming up.
Speaker 2: I think they are really great and fun, but I'm
Speaker 2: interested to see how Disney Plus makes his mark, especially
Speaker 2: in an era where we've got a show as fantastic
Speaker 2: as Agatha going on.
Speaker 1: That's right. The Women of Marvel panel returned to New
Speaker 1: York City Comic Con, featuring editor Sarah Brunstead, writers Erica Schultz,
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Cadenhead, and Stephanie Phillips. Some details of note were
Speaker 1: the Women of Marvel one shot Women of Marvel she Devils,
Speaker 1: which was going to follow various street level heroines, and
Speaker 1: Caiden had also announced the five issue limited series in
Speaker 1: conjunction with the new Doom pair Dom Academy, launching in
Speaker 1: February as a kind.
Speaker 3: Of tie in man that is like dool.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, if you put the word Academy after a book,
Speaker 2: I'm putting on my polist, I'm going Avenger's Academy, do
Speaker 2: am Academy.
Speaker 3: I will be enlisted. I will be enrolled.
Speaker 2: I love a book about some young kids doing something,
Speaker 2: and I love a rag.
Speaker 3: Tag villain series. This sounds great to me.
Speaker 2: I think I've also seen I saw Angelique Groschere that
Speaker 2: there's gonna be also a Marvel voices storm Book, which
Speaker 2: looks really really cool. So I always love more Storm
Speaker 2: focused because she is such a legend. So yeah, great
Speaker 2: New York Comic Comfor news, I think I heard that
Speaker 2: it was a really great one for artists busy as
Speaker 2: always huge artist Ali really just making it his name.
Speaker 2: They need a.
Speaker 1: Bigger venue, let me just say it, like, they need
Speaker 1: to expand it.
Speaker 3: They did also add this. I was not there.
Speaker 2: I did not go for the very reason you're talking about, Jason.
Speaker 2: Unless someone's paying me, I'm not going in that Javit Center.
Speaker 1: It's too crazy and it's been too credible.
Speaker 2: It's been too crowdy for like five years. But I
Speaker 2: will say they did actually expand, and this is very
Speaker 2: notable because now they are a five day convention like
Speaker 2: San Diego, and their Wednesday is essentially a pro and
Speaker 2: retailer day, So for comics pros, you could go and
Speaker 2: listen to people like Scott Snyder giving talks, Retailers could
Speaker 2: find out about no initiatives.
Speaker 3: So I think that really.
Speaker 2: Once again sets New York Comic Con up as a
Speaker 2: potential contender for the biggest show because it's always been.
Speaker 2: It does have more attendees than San Diego comic on,
Speaker 2: which again is wild because they do not use all
Speaker 2: of the Javit Center. But I do think we could
Speaker 2: see in the next few years that conversation about which
Speaker 2: show is really the main show of the year. I
Speaker 2: think that especially this year's New York had a lot
Speaker 2: of TV announcements, a lot of TV panels, So it's
Speaker 2: going to be an interesting one as we head into
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Sad News now is essentially dead. Marvel's basically done. It's
Speaker 1: not on the twenty twenty five calendar any longer, and
Speaker 1: it certainly appears that Mhersha A Lee has pulled out
Speaker 1: of the project. Yes, so now you're talking to a
Speaker 1: project that has had significant upheaval behind the scenes, both
Speaker 1: with the writing and directing, and now it does not
Speaker 1: have a star. This movie's dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was obvious that it was going to get
Speaker 2: pulled from next year because there's no way they were
Speaker 2: making that movie this quickly unless they did what I
Speaker 2: wanted them to do, which was get a budget of
Speaker 2: like twenty million and make like an actual low budget
Speaker 2: horror movie, low budget comparatively to the MCU. But obviously
Speaker 2: they're not going to do that I think this is
Speaker 2: a real bomba. I think that it's the movie that
Speaker 2: people have been most excited for in the MCU since
Speaker 2: it was announced in twenty nineteen. I also think let
Speaker 2: Mahershela go on and do other great things. I'm also like,
Speaker 2: is there a way he can be in that Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan vampire movie that they've been making secretly over there
Speaker 2: him and Ryan Coogler.
Speaker 3: I'm like, let him in.
Speaker 2: Also, this is very much I'm putting big, big rumor.
Speaker 2: This is not a report, but I do think it's
Speaker 2: interesting enough to it big big rumors here online. And
Speaker 2: this could be a just throwing something at the wall
Speaker 2: because it seems likely to stick. But there is apparently
Speaker 2: talk that Maherschela may be considered as a potential Martian
Speaker 2: manhunter in the James Gun universe. Now, that would be
Speaker 2: unbelievable casting the shape shifting alien kind of detective and overseer.
Speaker 2: I would love to see that casting. It would also
Speaker 2: very much fit into this kind of true detective esque
Speaker 2: space because Mahshlot obviously starred in one of those sees.
Speaker 4: Because he gets because he gets very very old that season.
Speaker 4: He must have felt at the end of the at
Speaker 4: the end of the production the Blade.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like, I was gonna say, this is
Speaker 2: one thing I want to read about, but I'm like,
Speaker 2: maybe me and you will be the ones writing this, Jason,
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll write the book on what happened what happened
Speaker 2: because we need to know, as the meme so perfectly
Speaker 2: put it, We did this in the Zeros with Stephen Dorf,
Speaker 2: you know, like the original Blade movie is fantastic.
Speaker 3: I also wouldn't be surprised if we get some.
Speaker 2: Lay two is very good, Blade two is obviously Blade two,
Speaker 2: Giama dol Tory. Blade through three now has a kind
Speaker 2: of counts charms, little charm. Also, say Reynolds, he's dead
Speaker 2: pulling it up in that movie.
Speaker 3: He's perfecting his Deadpool attitude.
Speaker 2: I would also say I wouldn't be surprised if we
Speaker 2: get some kind of hold over Wesley Snipes returning esque
Speaker 2: like don't worry MCU news soon, Hey, there is the
Speaker 2: Blade trilogy on Blu Ray physical media people.
Speaker 1: Finally in this long news segment.
Speaker 2: Wow, what this Blue segment is almost as long as
Speaker 2: the Blade production cycle.
Speaker 1: Lebron James on on the on the social media platform
Speaker 1: known fortunately as X tweeted quote best place to order
Speaker 1: comic books from used to click when I was younger,
Speaker 1: Batman being my fave. I can order and read from
Speaker 1: iPad or best to do straight off the comic, which
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he means, should I go to
Speaker 1: a store? James Gunn then flew in with the answer
Speaker 1: he was ready, DM me, I can hook you up.
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you this, Rosie Knight. Yes, gorilla marketing.
Speaker 1: Is this marketing?
Speaker 3: Definitely goerrilla marketing?
Speaker 2: It feels very akin to when Lebron James perfectly put
Speaker 2: on X where can I watch X Men ninety seven?
Speaker 3: Heard it's good?
Speaker 2: And now I will say I do like the other
Speaker 2: version of this where Lebron just uses X instead of
Speaker 2: Google because there's like fifty million people were replied to him.
Speaker 2: I do think something that is particularly cool about this
Speaker 2: if it is gorilla marketing, and I assume with the
Speaker 2: swiftness that James Gunn replied, it probably is. I do
Speaker 2: like that under this thread now is likely hundreds of
Speaker 2: thousands of people sharing their local comic shops.
Speaker 3: I think there's a cool side effect there. Also.
Speaker 2: Jason Cascepsio and I need to know who do you
Speaker 2: think they're going to cast Lebron as in the James
Speaker 2: gunnerverse now that he's done this tweet, as we know,
Speaker 2: he already has the Warner Brothers hook up space jam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I know that you just mentioned
Speaker 1: Marcia being attached, but I think Lebron is a manhunter
Speaker 1: lobo a lobo.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I would love to see that. I could
Speaker 3: see the energy there. Let's see.
Speaker 2: I'm also putting bets on by the end of the year,
Speaker 2: we will have the classic. I visited the DC Comics
Speaker 2: Twitter slash x post where you post you pose next
Speaker 2: to the DC logo. You're holding some comics they gave you.
Speaker 2: They're probably gonna give them a nice hot toys. I
Speaker 2: think we'll see Lebron visiting the iceberg as they call
Speaker 2: it now, by the end of this year, after this tweet.
Speaker 1: Next up, Yeah, okay, here we go, Episode seven, Death's
Speaker 1: hand on me. Wow, I gets all along. And firstly, just.
Speaker 3: Wow, am I even ready to talk about it? I
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm like, I feel I've got it so
Speaker 3: many times. Yeah, and I don't. I'm like, am I am?
Speaker 3: I will I be able to process it?
Speaker 1: I don't know is just forget Marvel, forget Disney Plus,
Speaker 1: forget all that. This is just a great television episode,
Speaker 1: just a wonderful episode of TV. And I think, having
Speaker 1: thought about it, maybe the best thing that Marvel has
Speaker 1: done on Disney Plus. I think the single best episode.
Speaker 3: Maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's no question. I We open with Lilia dressed
Speaker 1: as the Fairy Godmother and she's falling in slow motion.
Speaker 1: We cut to the road billion Agatha walking uneasy companions.
Speaker 1: He is asking questions. Agatha is like, you can ask
Speaker 1: me stuff, you can talk to me. We can spend
Speaker 1: this time talking to each other. So he says, okay,
Speaker 1: where's Rio. Agatha is not like any question, but that
Speaker 1: that's the one. I don't want to answer any other
Speaker 1: questions for me. I was your babysitter once, you know.
Speaker 1: And Billy insists that, well, yeah, you were my babysitter,
Speaker 1: but Wanda is not my mom, which is, oh, that's
Speaker 1: a huge note.
Speaker 2: But also like I just want to say, like I
Speaker 2: know that one day is somewhere and she hard that
Speaker 2: and she is pissed, like she is so angry, she's
Speaker 2: about to come back to life just because she heard
Speaker 2: him say that, Like and also very interesting to say
Speaker 2: that he obviously sees missus Kapplan as his mom, and
Speaker 2: I think that means we could probably see her potentially
Speaker 2: come back.
Speaker 5: Do we know that?
Speaker 1: Because recall Wanda back to the Wanda Show Wanda vision,
Speaker 1: she stole him from an alternate dimension, him and Tommy,
Speaker 1: so he could be talking about miss Kaplan, but he
Speaker 1: could also be talking about a different in that alternate dimension.
Speaker 1: In either case, to your point, this is a that's
Speaker 1: a huge drip.
Speaker 2: I know she's somewhere, she's coming back to life just
Speaker 2: because she heard him say that's not my mom.
Speaker 1: Also lets you know that they're going to have a
Speaker 1: very rocky relationship.
Speaker 2: Which is the case in the comics too, so not
Speaker 2: not surprising. And then we get the great I mean,
Speaker 2: this episode is such a feat of writing because it
Speaker 2: is talking to the audience, but it's also telling like
Speaker 2: a timey Whimy Mike Flanagan esque emotional time is not
Speaker 2: straightforward things story, And I love this next line where
Speaker 2: Billy says.
Speaker 3: Well, I've got.
Speaker 2: A question, you know, I just I just dissed my
Speaker 2: mom and I said she wasn't my mom. But wander
Speaker 2: maximf is she Is she dead? Is she really dead?
Speaker 3: And Agatha's like, yes, no, maybe.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, you know, the conversations that we're happening,
Speaker 2: you're so fun.
Speaker 1: They come to a castle and this is something that
Speaker 1: Agatha has not seen on the road before, and this
Speaker 1: annoys Billy because Billy expresses now that the whole reason
Speaker 1: that he did this and brought her here was because
Speaker 1: he thought that her experience is the only person to
Speaker 1: have walked to the end of the road ever, would
Speaker 1: be valuable. And now it really feels like she doesn't
Speaker 1: know anything about the road and she has nothing to
Speaker 1: add to this, and so Billy kind of roasts her
Speaker 1: about this and in fact wonders openly, did you actually
Speaker 1: do it? Did you actually walk the road? And this
Speaker 1: actually seems to hurt Agatha's feelings.
Speaker 3: I think there's some.
Speaker 2: Really interesting moments here where we get to see how
Speaker 2: much Agatha cares about what Billy thinks her and it
Speaker 2: is very surprising, not something that I thought we would see.
Speaker 3: But there's this moment. We get another moment when they're in.
Speaker 2: The challenge, she seems to want to impress him, or
Speaker 2: at least have him back in that space where he
Speaker 2: was as teen where he was following her and acting
Speaker 2: like what she thought was important. Also another great moment here,
Speaker 2: very Sheeholk esque of the show having the conversation that
Speaker 2: fans have been having because from the very first episode
Speaker 2: fans for like, has she walked the road?
Speaker 3: Is this all hype? Is this part of her mythology?
Speaker 2: Like last week when we didn't mention that she is
Speaker 2: the original Jolene in the Dolly parton song Joline, Like,
Speaker 2: what is true and what is not true about Agatha
Speaker 2: is very fluid and I love that they knew we
Speaker 2: would be asking that question, But yeah, Catherine hann absolutely
Speaker 2: sells this moment of like, yeah, just heartbreak when Billy
Speaker 2: says that she is no longer the witch he's looking
Speaker 2: up to. She is now just someone he has to
Speaker 2: work with in order to achieve his aims.
Speaker 1: They get inside and they find themselves as in previous
Speaker 1: puzzles transformed. Billy is now dressed as Maleficent and Agatha
Speaker 1: is the wicked Witch of the West.
Speaker 2: Who she says she says it was based on me,
Speaker 2: And again Billy turns around and he goes prove it,
Speaker 2: and her face just.
Speaker 1: Falls the puzzle is a terror reading have to find
Speaker 1: the right cards and place them in the right spots
Speaker 1: on the spread. Billy starts to go first, he reads
Speaker 1: an incorrect card, puts it increct card down, and a
Speaker 1: sword and a sword falls from the ceiling. They look
Speaker 1: up and the sword is just filled with blades.
Speaker 2: Very fall it's very saw coded, very escape room. Very
Speaker 2: actually kind of gives hell raiser as well. This is
Speaker 2: not a good place to be. And those swords are falling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are falling. The next card is the Seven
Speaker 1: of Swords reversed, which Billy inter it says, Agatha telling
Speaker 1: the truth, but he says, that can't be right. He
Speaker 1: places the card down. Next sword falls. Okay, Billy's not
Speaker 1: doing so well. Agatha grabs the cards and is like,
Speaker 1: let's just brute force this thing. Why are we sitting
Speaker 1: here trying to find the right car Just like idea
Speaker 1: not a terrible idea. Yeah, So she just starts brute
Speaker 1: forcing it and putting it down until she's like, until
Speaker 1: we find the right card in the right spot, and
Speaker 1: Billy points out this is going to take a while.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, we got time. But then the ceiling
Speaker 1: starts lowering, so that these blades are now soon enough
Speaker 1: going to be pressing down into them, and Billy says,
Speaker 1: I wish Lily is here.
Speaker 3: Boom oh.
Speaker 1: We cut to Lily waking up alongside Jen in the
Speaker 1: underground somewhere in some underground tunnel. They're covered in mud
Speaker 1: after being flung into that swamp. But Billy Lilya clearly
Speaker 1: losing time again and she doesn't remember anything that she's
Speaker 1: been saying to Jen.
Speaker 3: Which.
Speaker 2: Elucid It sounds like she's.
Speaker 1: Been having whole conversations that Jen is telling her about,
Speaker 1: but that she does not recall. She doesn't recall, for instance,
Speaker 1: telling Jen that Billy is the son of the Scarlet
Speaker 1: Witch and all this other stuff. Apparently Lilya also told
Speaker 1: Jen that these memory slips might happen, And now we
Speaker 1: flash through various time slips from the show that end
Speaker 1: in a terror reading in Sicily or somewhere in Italy
Speaker 1: during the Renaissance, and it is Lilia's very first lesson
Speaker 1: in divination and she's sitting there across the table from
Speaker 1: her teacher and she's like, I'm bad at this, I'm
Speaker 1: bad at reading tea lives. And the teacher says, I
Speaker 1: think it's a great character moment and really just a
Speaker 1: wonderful writing again, so good. The teacher says, why do
Speaker 1: that's just something you tell yourself that you're not good
Speaker 1: at it also when you're actually good at it. Just
Speaker 1: read the leaves and what do you see.
Speaker 2: I love that we get Lilia here as herself, as
Speaker 2: the age she is now, and you get this understanding
Speaker 2: that okay, time is not what we think it is
Speaker 2: and she can be both and has she.
Speaker 3: Been here before? And has she not been here before?
Speaker 2: And that is the big kind of central concy of
Speaker 2: this really fantastic episode.
Speaker 1: Her consciousness is traveling through two different versions, two different
Speaker 1: timelines in her own body, right, so her teacher is
Speaker 1: seeing her as a young woman, but inside she is
Speaker 1: Lilia from the current story that we are watching.
Speaker 2: And her teacher is not surprised when she says how old,
Speaker 2: if how long have you been? She says, you know, centuries.
Speaker 1: We go back to the tunnels. Lilia is now feeling
Speaker 1: very sensitive and vulnerable about all these slips. She tells
Speaker 1: Jen that Okay, here's what's going on. Times and illusion.
Speaker 1: I experience it out of sequence and now it's just
Speaker 1: getting worse. It's slipping beyond my control. And Jen says why,
Speaker 1: and she says, I think it's because I'm close to
Speaker 1: the end. We flashed to the sword room and Lilia
Speaker 1: is there with Jen, Billy, and Agatha, so we've clearly
Speaker 1: jumped time. Now, Billy insists. They have this whole conversation
Speaker 1: where Billy is just reading Lily's mind. He's responding to
Speaker 1: her thoughts, saying like, no, I wasn't hiding my power
Speaker 1: from you. No, what do you mean I didn't know
Speaker 1: the first time. All these things that are questions that
Speaker 1: go all the way back to their first meeting at
Speaker 1: Will Caplan's bar Mitzvah. She remembers him from that night, and.
Speaker 2: Jen interestingly is like, you're not mad at him anymore,
Speaker 2: Like we've already gone over that, you're not angry at them.
Speaker 1: She recalls now that she was reading Billy when something
Speaker 1: went wrong, and she admits, I did cast the sigil
Speaker 1: on you because I knew from seeing your broken lifeline
Speaker 1: that I knew what was going to happen to you,
Speaker 1: and I thought you needed time to process that, and
Speaker 1: so I put the sigil on you to give you
Speaker 1: that time. Now, the ceiling is starting to come down again,
Speaker 1: and we flash through all of these time slips that
Speaker 1: we've sween on the show, and.
Speaker 2: We start to see how they fit together, whether it
Speaker 2: is saying to you know, don't try to save Agatha
Speaker 2: as she said to Alice, where we knew that that
Speaker 2: meant that Alice would die, which was what happened. And
Speaker 2: we start to get to see the way that the
Speaker 2: show has been so cleverly written that there are multiple
Speaker 2: instances of that, and some of them go throughout different parts,
Speaker 2: different episodes and come together to create a singular sentence.
Speaker 3: It's really really great stuff.
Speaker 1: So she ends up back with her teacher again, back
Speaker 1: in Renaissance Italy, and her teacher is asking her what's so,
Speaker 1: what's your life like?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? How's what's where are you with
Speaker 1: your craft? Yeah? What's the co? Li is like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't have one, And the teacher is very disappointed
Speaker 1: and says, well, you know which needs one, and you're
Speaker 1: too afraid. That's why you don't want to have one.
Speaker 1: You should relinquish this desire to control everything and control
Speaker 1: your visions and just look at them. And we're going
Speaker 1: to look at a word from our sponsors and then
Speaker 1: we're going to be back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're back.
Speaker 1: They flash from that flashback to the Lily's lessons with
Speaker 1: her first divination teacher, back to the tunnels with Jen.
Speaker 1: Lilya finds Billy's spellbook down there in the tunnels with them.
Speaker 1: She tells Jen that initially, after experiencing these time slips
Speaker 1: when I was a young girl, they stopped and they
Speaker 1: stopped it. I just ignored them. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: engage with them. They scared me every time. You know,
Speaker 1: they all end up at the same place. Yeah, people
Speaker 1: I love dying, and so I just ignore them.
Speaker 2: Also interesting here because that kind of sounds like an
Speaker 2: acknowledgment that she was actually the one who pushed away
Speaker 2: her own powers. And I think that's going to be
Speaker 2: a thread here because we know that was the case
Speaker 2: with Alice because she didn't believe.
Speaker 3: We know that even missus Hart she didn't know she
Speaker 3: was a witch.
Speaker 2: And then with Jen, we'd already theorized that perhaps she
Speaker 2: hadn't been bound at all, and her trauma after whatever
Speaker 2: happened with the doctor had bound her own magic. So
Speaker 2: I think that this is going to be a thread
Speaker 2: that really it's about these women accepting their witchcraft and
Speaker 2: becoming the coven, becoming the Sisthood because Lili is apparently
Speaker 2: the reason that she stopped having her own powers. And
Speaker 2: I think it's just Patty does such a great job here.
Speaker 2: It's so heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: I mean, they could become the coven, but it's also
Speaker 1: like there's so few of them left by.
Speaker 3: The I don't think it, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I think that the coven is what has happened on
Speaker 2: the way, The careal Coven was the friends we made
Speaker 2: along with whoever survives or whatever acceptance they find along
Speaker 2: the way is what allows them to kind of regain
Speaker 2: their powers or gain acceptance with their fate or whatever happens.
Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of the way that we're
Speaker 3: going to leave it.
Speaker 1: So they're in the tunnels and they come to the
Speaker 1: back of a bookshelf that leads to the.
Speaker 6: Sword room, which, as Jen has, I wish and Jen
Speaker 6: knew because Lily had told her, we need to find shelves,
Speaker 6: and they were like, what are you talking about, but
Speaker 6: love and behold there were the shelves.
Speaker 1: So they find that just as Billy says, I wish
Speaker 1: Lilia is here, was here, and there she is they
Speaker 1: fall through. Lilia immediately is like, I know what I
Speaker 1: have to do now. I have to do the reading
Speaker 1: on Billy. Okay, so everybody clear out and let me
Speaker 1: do this. Billy has to ask a question. It's got
Speaker 1: to be the central question that he wants answered. That's
Speaker 1: about why he wants to walk the road. And what
Speaker 1: Billy wants to know is I'm William or am I Billy?
Speaker 1: And she's like, that's a great question. The ceiling stops,
Speaker 1: seeming to signify like this is the right attack to take.
Speaker 1: She talks about the card spread. This is a card
Speaker 1: spread about a journey, and it's going to tell us
Speaker 1: them a lot about this journey. So she starts laying
Speaker 1: the cards down. The first card is the Magician, telling
Speaker 1: us that Billy has enormous power he can affect reality.
Speaker 1: The next card is the Sun Reunion and good fortune.
Speaker 1: This really resonates with Billy. The next is Uh. She
Speaker 1: pulls the High Priestess, which relates to Jen. She pulls
Speaker 1: she's about to pull the card for the path behind
Speaker 1: card slot, but she pulls the wrong card apparently, and
Speaker 1: the sword that is directly above her seat begins to
Speaker 1: fall on her and I think Agatha, though we don't
Speaker 1: really see it, Agatha saves her life.
Speaker 2: We see earlier on in a flash forward as the
Speaker 2: time I mean why meaness happens the Agatha is It
Speaker 2: seems like she's the one who pushed her and saved
Speaker 2: her from this death, which is very un Agatha of her.
Speaker 3: But of course she needs Lilia to survive this trial.
Speaker 1: So we flash back again through various moments of time
Speaker 1: slips that we've seen Lila experience, and then we end
Speaker 1: up back with the teacher, who asks why are you
Speaker 1: on this journey? And Lilia says, to get my power back,
Speaker 1: and then the teacher's like, but you have your power,
Speaker 1: it never went anywhere, Like no, why are you really
Speaker 1: on the journey? And then she says, I'm forgotten woman.
Speaker 1: She's sad, apparently that all her visions have never led
Speaker 1: to anything different happening. She saw that her coven was
Speaker 1: going to die and she couldn't change it. She saw
Speaker 1: that her teacher was going to die and nothing happened.
Speaker 1: The teacher says, well, you know, death is the thing
Speaker 1: that waits for us all.
Speaker 3: It's the one thing we all have in common.
Speaker 1: I love that it's the one thing we all have
Speaker 1: in common, then she said, And so Lily is like,
Speaker 1: when when is my death? She sees that she will
Speaker 1: fall that much she knows, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden she knows what she has to do, and she
Speaker 1: has this moment of clarity where she remembers everything. So
Speaker 1: they're back in the beginning of the tunnel. The Seven
Speaker 1: are behind them. They have to hide from the Seven
Speaker 1: at a certain point, and here they are at this
Speaker 1: crossroads in the tunnel and Jen wants to leave, but
Speaker 1: Lily says, I need you to come with me to
Speaker 1: help Billy and Agatha to the trial. I'm going to
Speaker 1: go there. I would like you to come with me.
Speaker 1: And Jenna's like, why do you want me to come
Speaker 1: with you, and she says, because you are my sister
Speaker 1: in the craft kind of begrudgingly agrees, but before Lila
Speaker 1: can follow her, she goes, I know what I did wrong,
Speaker 1: and then she turns around and boom, she's back in
Speaker 1: the sword room. So she ends up back in the room.
Speaker 1: She now knows what she's doing wrong, and she's not
Speaker 1: reading for Billy, she's reading for herself. She starts pulling cards.
Speaker 1: Queen of Cups and her teacher is immediately proud of
Speaker 1: this revelation. She understands now that she needs to be
Speaker 1: sessing her own life future. The ceiling meanwhile, is coming down.
Speaker 1: It's still continuing to fall. What's missing the Three of
Speaker 1: Pentacles collaboration. She's missing the coven. She pulls the card
Speaker 1: for the path behind the Night of Wands. She sees
Speaker 1: Alice and the brave fight and sacrifice that she made.
Speaker 1: Once again, an Asian character dying first will get that's
Speaker 1: small note, but don't worry about it. The path ahead
Speaker 1: space she pulls the card now is high Priestess, the
Speaker 1: immense power, unwilling to use it, and this is clearly
Speaker 1: for Jet. The next space is obstacles, the Three of Swords, sorrow,
Speaker 1: the windfall that now here is the tower reversed, miraculous transformation,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden she arrives back at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the tunnel, right when they are after they
Speaker 1: are thrown into the swamp and find themselves in the tunnel.
Speaker 1: Jen is out of it. She's not awake yet. Lilia
Speaker 1: is coming to and she sees a hooded figure approach
Speaker 1: and it's Rio, and she realized that Rio is death.
Speaker 3: Ay there she is sorry.
Speaker 2: Sorry to all the people who are spoiled by this
Speaker 2: by the Funko Pop release, I feel like they did
Speaker 2: not do a great job with that one, because this
Speaker 2: would be a huge, huge moment. I will say, love
Speaker 2: the flashback to all the different times that they were
Speaker 2: obviously signpointing us this way, Reo writing death when they
Speaker 2: were on the Ouiji board, and her hilarious laugh, the
Speaker 2: fact that she crawled out of the ground like a
Speaker 2: zombie after missus Hart died.
Speaker 3: I love this casting. I love Aubrey Plaza as death.
Speaker 2: I think this probably hints that will get some kind
Speaker 2: of maybe return of Thanos. Though, I will say something
Speaker 2: very interesting.
Speaker 3: I get it, Yeah, I get it right. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I would do it, babe. You know what, there's not
Speaker 3: enough balance, don't care about that.
Speaker 2: Would I kill half of the population of the universe
Speaker 2: for Aubrey Plaza as death. Yes, that is a reason
Speaker 2: I can get behind. I will say though, during the
Speaker 2: early episodes of the season, there was really interesting stuff
Speaker 2: where Agatha was saying, you know, my mom wanted to
Speaker 2: kill me when I was a baby. She said she
Speaker 2: always knew she was I was evil. That is actually
Speaker 2: very akin to some of the early stuff we've seen
Speaker 2: from the late of Thanos books where they're showing his
Speaker 2: life as a baby. I thought that was very interesting.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a world where Agatha will become the Fanos
Speaker 2: love interest. But I also think we could see a
Speaker 2: world where Thanos comes back for death, because let's be real,
Speaker 2: who wouldn't.
Speaker 3: She's so beautiful. I love her.
Speaker 2: This was a great reveal, Aubrey, you will be in
Speaker 2: the MCU forever. They will never get rid of you. Now,
Speaker 2: this is fantastic costing.
Speaker 1: In the sword room, Lilia is frozen up, experiencing this
Speaker 1: time slip with the last card, the death card, in
Speaker 1: her hand. Agatha seizes the card from her hand, slams
Speaker 1: it down on the last open slot and that's it.
Speaker 1: Puzzle solved. The sword ceiling stops and the door pops open.
Speaker 1: They are able to leave. Lilia tells them that hey,
Speaker 1: guess what Rio is death the original Green Witch. That's
Speaker 1: what Agatha has not been willing to tell us.
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, what can I say?
Speaker 2: I like the bad Boys. Oh my god, she's just
Speaker 2: too much Matt. Okay, momentary pause. Does this mean we
Speaker 2: already heard Nick? Scratcher's voice calling for Agatha during the
Speaker 2: teen slasher movie Trial is and at one point we
Speaker 2: heard Rio say, oh, my Scar, is this person that
Speaker 2: I love to I hurt by having to do my job?
Speaker 3: Does that mean Nick is dead?
Speaker 2: And Rio reaped Nick and that is why her and
Speaker 2: Agatha fell out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think so.
Speaker 1: So Now the Seven sadly are approaching and Lilia gives
Speaker 1: Billy his book back. She shepherds everybody, Agatha and Jen
Speaker 1: through the exit. She last, she says to Jen, Jen
Speaker 1: is the last one through, and she's like, I loved
Speaker 1: being a witch. And Jen knows in this moment that now.
Speaker 2: And she says you're the future. She's like, you're the
Speaker 2: path ahead, you have to go.
Speaker 1: She now knows that Lila's going to sacrifice herself. He
Speaker 1: tries to stop her, but Lilya slams the door. The
Speaker 1: Seven arrive and lily says, well, once you have solved
Speaker 1: a trial on the road, you are filled with power
Speaker 1: and one doesn't know what could happen with.
Speaker 2: That, and if you stay too long in the trial
Speaker 2: death destruction, something bad will happen.
Speaker 1: And so she grabs the tower reverse card and she
Speaker 1: flips it right side up the tower. The tower that
Speaker 1: they are in flips over so that everybody towards the ceiling,
Speaker 1: which is filled with swords. The seven are all impaled
Speaker 1: on the swords, and we must imagine that Lilia is
Speaker 1: as well, because she.
Speaker 2: Lets go of the what she's holding onto to keep
Speaker 2: us safe.
Speaker 1: So we don't see her actually die, but we see
Speaker 1: her as a young girl once again, going to her
Speaker 1: lesson with her first divination teacher, and the teacher says,
Speaker 1: let us begin.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, I love that. I mean I was crying
Speaker 3: by the end, like absolutely.
Speaker 1: Incredible episode, just like a really perfect episode.
Speaker 3: The editing.
Speaker 1: Is all the pieces fitting like that is just so sad.
Speaker 2: I feel like they did such a good job of
Speaker 2: like handholding us enough to be like, hey, you watch
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff on TV, so hare is why
Speaker 2: these moments and these words meant something.
Speaker 3: But it never felt too much.
Speaker 2: It was always an emotional beat when you realized what
Speaker 2: she'd been trying to say the whole time.
Speaker 1: To your point, you could have compiled all the time
Speaker 1: slip moments before this episode and put them together and
Speaker 1: looked at them, and while obviously they were significant of something,
Speaker 1: you could not have gotten to this no, and that
Speaker 1: I think was part of why it was so powerful.
Speaker 1: Just an incredible episode. Lapone is so good.
Speaker 3: Give her an Emmy, Give her an Emmy.
Speaker 1: Just as good as it gets for Marvel on Disney.
Speaker 1: Plus absolutely, I can't wait to see the finale.
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, Rosie.
Speaker 1: This certainly felt like the Seven are done right, and
Speaker 1: so I don't know what the big antagonist is gonna
Speaker 1: be for the finale.
Speaker 2: I find this really interesting because the Salem Seven in
Speaker 2: the comics. Obviously I am a passionate Salem Seven love
Speaker 2: because they're like very weird, niche characters, very different. I
Speaker 2: love the horror version they did here. But it really
Speaker 2: does feel like they're done. I think in the notes
Speaker 2: one of our.
Speaker 3: Super producers caught that maybe it seems like only.
Speaker 2: Five of them got killed in the Swords, not seven,
Speaker 2: So there's something interesting there.
Speaker 3: But who is the big antagonist?
Speaker 2: Okay, so we had said earlier, you know Billy kind
Speaker 2: of has a dark side coded vibe. Is that a
Speaker 2: possibility that we're gonna reveal that somehow he is willing
Speaker 2: to sacrifice Agatha? And though I have to say my
Speaker 2: got off the seeing the cords that lillopuld is that
Speaker 2: Jen is going to probably end up as Billy's mentor
Speaker 2: after this. That was the feeling I was getting. The
Speaker 2: immense power the two of them together is the big
Speaker 2: bad Death is the big bad Rio?
Speaker 3: Is she coming to get them because.
Speaker 2: Billy did cheat death by taking over William's body.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good read. I will say that
Speaker 1: I do think the seven are done for this and
Speaker 1: this is cheating for the simple reason that, like, they
Speaker 1: never had a line, none of them ever spoke a line,
Speaker 1: So it doesn't make it like I think that they
Speaker 1: are truly done. Ye, it was never a moment where
Speaker 1: they said anything, but that's like not really a speaking line,
Speaker 1: So I think they are truly gone. I do. I
Speaker 1: do think that Rio is a good read. I also
Speaker 1: think that whoever forced Jen off the path scared her
Speaker 1: away from the life of a witch is gonna be
Speaker 1: clearly is going to be the final trial right.
Speaker 2: Oh right, It's gonna be the creepy doctor kind of likely,
Speaker 2: which could be very horror.
Speaker 3: I'm very interested too.
Speaker 2: Now, this is obviously just great timing because the finale
Speaker 2: episodes are gonna drop on the day before Halloween. On
Speaker 2: the thirtieth of October. But I am interested that they
Speaker 2: decided to put them both together. I want to know
Speaker 2: what that means. Okay, other finale questions I have, will
Speaker 2: we see Tommy? Will Billy get what he wants at
Speaker 2: the end of the road.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think he will truly get him unless
Speaker 1: they do a thing where they get him and then
Speaker 1: they recast for real Tommy that they're gonna use.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a good point, because we haven't had
Speaker 2: any costumes.
Speaker 1: Oh, we haven't heard anything. Again, that's cheating.
Speaker 2: But of Elizabeth Olsen showing up in the final episodes.
Speaker 1: I would put it in at sixty forty Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sixty four forty against. I also kind of feel
Speaker 1: like I've been anti I've been the person pumping the
Speaker 1: brakes on Mephisto for you, we both have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been asto enabler, and yet here you h.
Speaker 1: I now feel like it's at least in the realm
Speaker 1: of possibility that whoever creepy doctor is is Mephisto related. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that the case we're gonna find out? But I
Speaker 1: think that that's.
Speaker 3: Un going down the witches road.
Speaker 2: How it's changed you, Jason, how it's changed you now.
Speaker 3: You're in the Mephisto stuff. But yeah, absolutely cannot wait.
Speaker 2: What unbelievably spectacular kind of penultimate I understand now. After
Speaker 2: last week's episode, I was like, wow, how could this
Speaker 2: not be everyone's favorite episode? And every cast member was like, no,
Speaker 2: it's episode seven, Episode seven, Episode seven, and I totally understand.
Speaker 3: Also, let's talk about, just before we go.
Speaker 2: The ultimate troll needle drop of using Time in a Bottle, which.
Speaker 3: Was obviously famously the song that.
Speaker 2: That Evan Peters Quicksilver did his incredible speeds to scene
Speaker 2: two in Days of Future Past in the Fox Universe.
Speaker 2: That was so much fun when they dropped it, because
Speaker 2: it's also perfect for this episode.
Speaker 1: It's perfect for this episode for Lilia, who experiences time
Speaker 1: in the bottle that is her life exactly. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see where this finale. And Jack Schaeffer round
Speaker 1: of applause. You've done it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we were right because we said this from
Speaker 2: episode one. But I'm like, let Jack Schaefer run the
Speaker 2: MCU now please.
Speaker 3: Everyone else has had their turn.
Speaker 2: Let Jack Shaefer and her crew on this her producer,
Speaker 2: her creative teams, let's let's have them at.
Speaker 3: Least do some pitches. Guys. I want to know. Also,
Speaker 3: I want to see what they would do with the movies. Jack,
Speaker 3: I'm interested. I want to know you got a juice baby.
Speaker 2: This is the cheapest Disney Plus show that they've done,
Speaker 2: and yet we're getting some of the best episodes we've
Speaker 2: ever seen, So I'm interested.
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Speaker 1: is back. X Gonna give It to You and what
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Speaker 4: And on Thursday, Rosie and I celebrate HALLOWEENO, the rundown
Speaker 4: of our favorite.
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