WEBVTT - Comic-Con News and Agatha All Along Episode 7

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<v Speaker 1>Warning today's episode. Today's spoilers for the excellent seventh episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Agatha all long titled Dest's Hand on Me. Watch

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<v Speaker 1>that before you listen to this. Hello, I'm Jason Concepcion

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Rosey Night and welcome back to Xtra Vision

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<v Speaker 1>of the podcast. Will we dive deep to your favorite shows, movies,

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<v Speaker 1>comics of pop culture coming from iHeart Podcast. We're we're

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<v Speaker 1>bringing you three episodes a week, definitively the favorite Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>with an extra episode on Wednesday and Thursday, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>another extra.

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<v Speaker 2>Episode if you're lucky, If you're lucky, if you're lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's episode, we are rounding up New York Comic

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<v Speaker 2>Con news and other news you will be interested in,

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<v Speaker 2>including the status.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the Blade movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Boohoo on that one, but maybe good news for mahersh

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<v Speaker 2>Lali maybe maybe, and more. And in the airlock, we

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be talking about that unbelievable top tier

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<v Speaker 2>episode of Agatha or Along, which is already being spoken

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<v Speaker 2>of in hush tones about it being one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best things, if not the best thing, that Disney plus

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<v Speaker 2>TV has ever done.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what an episode I cannot wait to talk to.

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<v Speaker 1>You about it, but first, previously on First Up in News,

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<v Speaker 1>DC's Jimley and Friends comics panel from IGN dropped a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of news.

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<v Speaker 2>There was so much news at this panel. First are

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<v Speaker 2>big news for Jim Lee and Jeff Lobe fans. I

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<v Speaker 2>would say probably more Jim Lee fancy reuniting for a

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<v Speaker 2>sequel to the two thousand and two two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>four Batman story Hush. Now this is not fully surprising

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<v Speaker 2>because this has been a hugely influential story on the

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<v Speaker 2>Batman on apparently more DC stuff that is in the works.

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<v Speaker 2>There's rumors that Hush will be the villain in the

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<v Speaker 2>Batman too. I will say there was already a just

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<v Speaker 2>want to be like a well actually guy, There was

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<v Speaker 2>already a sequel Heart of Hush Pauldini legendary, but this

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<v Speaker 2>will be a direct sequel from what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>The logo for it is H two s H.

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<v Speaker 2>So the internet has been talking about how do you

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<v Speaker 2>is it h two USh?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it like my friend Mark said, is it like

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<v Speaker 3>you pronounce for toosh? It's like hatouche? So who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>We're interested in it, and it's actually going to begin

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<v Speaker 2>really soon in Batman one fifty eight, which will be

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<v Speaker 2>around March twenty twenty five, so it will come sooner

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<v Speaker 2>than expected, even bigger news for me and Jason.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like, yeah, this is crazy, this is this

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<v Speaker 3>is so big.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, when we relaunched Here at iHeart, we had James

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<v Speaker 2>Tyning come on, superstar writer and comic book creator who

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<v Speaker 2>has really been revitalizing horror comics. We talked to him

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<v Speaker 2>specifically about the Nice House on the Lake series and

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<v Speaker 2>its continuation the Nice House by the Sea, and very excitingly,

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<v Speaker 2>because of the success of those absolutely fantastic comics with

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<v Speaker 2>Alvarro Martinez Bueno, DC is actually going to revive Vertigo

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<v Speaker 2>as a.

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<v Speaker 3>Creator owned imprint.

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<v Speaker 2>Vertigo is obviously the legendary imprint that saw, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the home of retroactively Sam Man, Doom Patrol, Swamp thing

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<v Speaker 2>and then became the home of things like Preacher and

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<v Speaker 2>other legendary series. This is actually a tradition that DC

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<v Speaker 2>has done with Doom Patrol. They retroactively added Vertigo to

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<v Speaker 2>those an Animal Man, the Grant Morrison Animal Man stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and they are going to retroactively add the Vertigo banner

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<v Speaker 2>to a reprint of the first issue of the nice

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<v Speaker 2>house by the sea, and then from then on we

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<v Speaker 2>will be getting more and it's a big deal for

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<v Speaker 2>DC to be making create our own comics again.

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<v Speaker 1>So am I to understand then, Rosie, that Black Label

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<v Speaker 1>will continue but as a kind of but as a

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<v Speaker 1>place where DC characters can be explored in alternate, more mature,

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<v Speaker 1>gritty visions.

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<v Speaker 3>I think currently that is the understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, if this Vertigo relaunch goes well, and

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment everything James Tynan touches is turning to

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<v Speaker 2>gold and needs to gold turns to gold and it

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<v Speaker 2>turns and he's got his tiny onion kind of banner

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<v Speaker 2>where he's producing comics, producing you know, properties to be adapted.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Vertigo and Elseworld's

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<v Speaker 2>become the main big thing. But there's always a chance

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<v Speaker 2>that Black Label could exist, especially because one of the

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<v Speaker 2>cool things about Black Label, in my opinion, is less

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<v Speaker 2>about the content and more about the style. Because a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times they'll do magazine size books. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of more of a banded decinay. You can get really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting titles from solo cartoonists.

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<v Speaker 3>So they could all they could all live alongside each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my sense is that Vertigo will be for creator

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<v Speaker 1>owned and a black label will not be for creator owned.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, because so in the old days, Vertigo is

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<v Speaker 2>a very interesting situation because certain things that were created

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<v Speaker 2>there were creator owned and other things were not. It

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<v Speaker 2>was all dependent on the contract and the creator. But

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like from what they said at this panel,

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<v Speaker 2>which is always the big DC News panel of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like this is going to be a creator

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<v Speaker 2>owned banner. And I wouldn't be surprised if we saw

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<v Speaker 2>some of James Tynan's kind of cohort that he the

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<v Speaker 2>way he was kind of Scott Snyder's mentor. He now

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<v Speaker 2>has a crew of young creators. I wouldn't be surprised

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<v Speaker 2>if we see some of them, Isaac Goodheart, people like

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<v Speaker 2>that coming in and getting to do some of these

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<v Speaker 2>creator own books at DC. So I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>especially exciting if you're a Peacemaker fan. There was some

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<v Speaker 2>fun Peacemaker news. Peacemaker is actually gonna get its own

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<v Speaker 2>spin off comic directly connected to the TV show called

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<v Speaker 2>The Vigilante Eagerly double feature, gonna be set between seasons

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<v Speaker 2>one and two, kind of like what they did with

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<v Speaker 2>My Adventures with Superman, and it's gonna be overseen by

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<v Speaker 2>James Gunn. I think this will be fun. I loved Vigilante,

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<v Speaker 2>that was my favorite part of the show, and obviously

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<v Speaker 2>I'm big Godzilla fan, so this was fun. I also

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<v Speaker 2>think I know Brian Bucachell butcher Leto and he's a

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<v Speaker 2>really great guy, and he will be returning with artist

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<v Speaker 2>Christian Juice for Justice League Versus Godzilla Versus Kong two

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<v Speaker 2>and this is gonna be really cool because there's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be Kingadora, Radan Mothra and this will be coming out

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<v Speaker 2>summer next year. Not a surprise that they're doing this

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<v Speaker 2>because it was a huge success, but the art looks great.

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<v Speaker 2>Christian Juice is a great artist, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be fun to see. The first one was a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a kind of taster on what a

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<v Speaker 2>crossover like this could be. But I think it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be really fun to see the legendary Monster Verus

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<v Speaker 2>expand in this DC world and see which villains are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be there trying to weaponize the Titans. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think this could be really fun. Great panel. Jim

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<v Speaker 2>Ley never disappoints. If you ever ever at New York

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<v Speaker 2>Comic Con, this is always a great panel to attend,

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<v Speaker 2>great energy, awesome news, and who doesn't love Jimley.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the best.

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<v Speaker 1>He's great. The iconic artist and creator Marvel with news.

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<v Speaker 1>They've announced that there's an upcoming Star Wars Jediight series.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be released. It will take place before the

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<v Speaker 1>Phantom Menace and is going to focus on the Jedi

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<v Speaker 1>Order with an ensemble cast including Quai got Jin Obi Wan,

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite nine hundred year old doddering Jedi Master Yoda.

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<v Speaker 3>We have will will we ever get rid of this man?

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<v Speaker 2>He has been causing problems in the galaxy for a

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<v Speaker 2>very long.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, everybody's favorite sad rich boy, Count Dooku, Shock ten,

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<v Speaker 1>and some new characters too. The promar looks looks really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Count Dooku front and center there next to Qui Gunjin.

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<v Speaker 1>The series will feature in overarching the Street and involving

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<v Speaker 1>Qui gong Gin, and each issue is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>focused on a different Jedi coming to you sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big fan of the expanded universes. Everyone knows

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<v Speaker 2>the there's some great Jedi Night stuff in there, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to see how this kind of how this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of shakes out. And obviously we have been big

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<v Speaker 2>supporters of the Star Wars comics.

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<v Speaker 3>We love what they've been doing.

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<v Speaker 2>There, so I will be very excited to see this.

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<v Speaker 2>Always nice to have a new addition to law.

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<v Speaker 1>New for you Wolverine heads out there, and we know

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<v Speaker 1>that you're out there.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys love Wolverine. Who doesn't like he's a beloved man.

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<v Speaker 1>A beloved beloved Canadian man. There is a new ongoing series,

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<v Speaker 1>Ultimate Wolverine, which we'll launch in twenty twenty five, written

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<v Speaker 1>by Chris Condon, drawn by Sandro Capuccio. And for you

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel Unlimited subscribers out there, like myself, lots of new

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<v Speaker 1>Astonishing branded series are dropping on the platform, including Astonishing

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Man episodes issues one and two available now, Astonishing

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<v Speaker 1>X Men beginning in December twenty twenty four, and Astonishing Avengers.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just want to say that, speaking of Marvel Unlimited,

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<v Speaker 2>because we are here talking about here, I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to shout out our pal, Pretty Chibba has an unbelievable

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<v Speaker 2>book there right now called House of Haarkness. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>a wonder vision Magic School Wonder is there with Jericho

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<v Speaker 2>Drum who you may know as Voodoo. Just an absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful series, really cool stuff, one of the coolest Marvel

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<v Speaker 2>comics out there, and you can.

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<v Speaker 3>Only read it on online.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just say go read it because I really

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<v Speaker 2>want it to become a real physical comic so I

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<v Speaker 2>can so I can touch it in the shop.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's absolutely delightful, big fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel also previewed their next big crossover event, One World

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<v Speaker 1>under Doom, which drops Sebruary twenty twenty five, is part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Rise of Emperor Doom series. Yes, sounds very relevant.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say Marvel has been quite good in recent

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<v Speaker 1>years at matching their comics releases to the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>broad theme of whatever is happening in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>movie space, that's right. Marvel spider Man two coming to

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<v Speaker 1>PC January thirtieth. For Marvel spider Man two, the less

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<v Speaker 1>copaganda version of the Spider Man video game series, attendees

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<v Speaker 1>got to see a trailer for Daredevil Born Again, starring

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<v Speaker 1>a long time Daredevil mask wielder, Charlie Cox and of

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<v Speaker 1>course everybody's favorite bald crime lord, the Kingpin, played by

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<v Speaker 1>Vincent Tinofrio. Premiering March fourth, twenty twenty five. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the discourse I saw was like, wow, gritty tone and

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<v Speaker 1>people are excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I saw some really great reactions of like

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<v Speaker 2>apparently the biggest crowd reaction was when Foggy showed up,

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<v Speaker 2>which I love.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you know that's a true dead devil crawd.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you gotta best, You've gotta be a dead devil

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<v Speaker 4>devil set up sick as like Foggy shows up and

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<v Speaker 4>everyone's outside the window.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, Foggy Foggy. So yeah, I'm very interested in

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<v Speaker 3>this once.

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<v Speaker 2>I think as we get closer, we're definitely going to

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about the Born Again comics and how this

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<v Speaker 2>may or may not adapt that. I think it could

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<v Speaker 2>be very intriguing. I also saw a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>talking about they hope, you know, we see Echo show

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<v Speaker 2>up and stuff. So it's definitely going to be an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting one. But from what everyone says, looks great and

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<v Speaker 2>the cost I have to say they have. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously they are under contract, but generally their enthusiasm for

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<v Speaker 2>the reimagined version of this series has been pretty high.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't feel like when you were asking the cost

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<v Speaker 2>of game of Thrones, what they thought about the final season.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are memes.

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<v Speaker 1>I do wonder do you think that the response to

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<v Speaker 1>Foggy played by Elden Henson is do you think it

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<v Speaker 1>was actually mighty ducks heads and they were just excited,

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<v Speaker 1>just excited to see from them.

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<v Speaker 2>They were just ready, baby, They were like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that I do think is really interesting

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<v Speaker 2>about the Foggy fandom, especially within the TV show and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like most male characters like that a side

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<v Speaker 2>character or something. And I'm sure the Internet will tell

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<v Speaker 2>me that I'm wrong if I am wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, I feel like, usually that's like a shipping fandom,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't see many people shipping Matt and this.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like people just love.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that this superhero has a sensible best friend

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<v Speaker 2>who is around and helps him out and says, bro like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't be doing silly shit and do this, don't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Just how about you just focus on being a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine that murderc and Foggy. Imagine that it will be

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to see. But yeah, I'm very excited. Obviously the

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix shows, which we are going to be talking.

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<v Speaker 3>About more extensively in months coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they are really great and fun, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>interested to see how Disney Plus makes his mark, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in an era where we've got a show as fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>as Agatha going on.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. The Women of Marvel panel returned to New

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<v Speaker 1>York City Comic Con, featuring editor Sarah Brunstead, writers Erica Schultz,

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<v Speaker 1>Mackenzie Cadenhead, and Stephanie Phillips. Some details of note were

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<v Speaker 1>the Women of Marvel one shot Women of Marvel she Devils,

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<v Speaker 1>which was going to follow various street level heroines, and

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<v Speaker 1>Caiden had also announced the five issue limited series in

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<v Speaker 1>conjunction with the new Doom pair Dom Academy, launching in

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<v Speaker 1>February as a kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of tie in man that is like dool.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, if you put the word Academy after a book,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm putting on my polist, I'm going Avenger's Academy, do

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<v Speaker 2>am Academy.

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<v Speaker 3>I will be enlisted. I will be enrolled.

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<v Speaker 2>I love a book about some young kids doing something,

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<v Speaker 2>and I love a rag.

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<v Speaker 3>Tag villain series. This sounds great to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've also seen I saw Angelique Groschere that

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<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be also a Marvel voices storm Book, which

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<v Speaker 2>looks really really cool. So I always love more Storm

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<v Speaker 2>focused because she is such a legend. So yeah, great

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<v Speaker 2>New York Comic Comfor news, I think I heard that

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<v Speaker 2>it was a really great one for artists busy as

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<v Speaker 2>always huge artist Ali really just making it his name.

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<v Speaker 2>They need a.

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<v Speaker 1>Bigger venue, let me just say it, like, they need

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<v Speaker 1>to expand it.

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<v Speaker 3>They did also add this. I was not there.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not go for the very reason you're talking about, Jason.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless someone's paying me, I'm not going in that Javit Center.

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<v Speaker 1>It's too crazy and it's been too credible.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been too crowdy for like five years. But I

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<v Speaker 2>will say they did actually expand, and this is very

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<v Speaker 2>notable because now they are a five day convention like

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<v Speaker 2>San Diego, and their Wednesday is essentially a pro and

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<v Speaker 2>retailer day, So for comics pros, you could go and

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<v Speaker 2>listen to people like Scott Snyder giving talks, Retailers could

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<v Speaker 2>find out about no initiatives.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that really.

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<v Speaker 2>Once again sets New York Comic Con up as a

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<v Speaker 2>potential contender for the biggest show because it's always been.

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<v Speaker 2>It does have more attendees than San Diego comic on,

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<v Speaker 2>which again is wild because they do not use all

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<v Speaker 2>of the Javit Center. But I do think we could

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<v Speaker 2>see in the next few years that conversation about which

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<v Speaker 2>show is really the main show of the year. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that especially this year's New York had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of TV announcements, a lot of TV panels, So it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be an interesting one as we head into

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Sad News now is essentially dead. Marvel's basically done. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not on the twenty twenty five calendar any longer, and

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<v Speaker 1>it certainly appears that Mhersha A Lee has pulled out

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<v Speaker 1>of the project. Yes, so now you're talking to a

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<v Speaker 1>project that has had significant upheaval behind the scenes, both

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<v Speaker 1>with the writing and directing, and now it does not

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<v Speaker 1>have a star. This movie's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was obvious that it was going to get

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<v Speaker 2>pulled from next year because there's no way they were

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<v Speaker 2>making that movie this quickly unless they did what I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted them to do, which was get a budget of

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty million and make like an actual low budget

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<v Speaker 2>horror movie, low budget comparatively to the MCU. But obviously

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to do that I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>a real bomba. I think that it's the movie that

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<v Speaker 2>people have been most excited for in the MCU since

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<v Speaker 2>it was announced in twenty nineteen. I also think let

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<v Speaker 2>Mahershela go on and do other great things. I'm also like,

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<v Speaker 2>is there a way he can be in that Michael B.

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan vampire movie that they've been making secretly over there

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<v Speaker 2>him and Ryan Coogler.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, let him in.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, this is very much I'm putting big, big rumor.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not a report, but I do think it's

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<v Speaker 2>interesting enough to it big big rumors here online. And

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<v Speaker 2>this could be a just throwing something at the wall

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<v Speaker 2>because it seems likely to stick. But there is apparently

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<v Speaker 2>talk that Maherschela may be considered as a potential Martian

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<v Speaker 2>manhunter in the James Gun universe. Now, that would be

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<v Speaker 2>unbelievable casting the shape shifting alien kind of detective and overseer.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to see that casting. It would also

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<v Speaker 2>very much fit into this kind of true detective esque

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<v Speaker 2>space because Mahshlot obviously starred in one of those sees.

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<v Speaker 4>Because he gets because he gets very very old that season.

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<v Speaker 4>He must have felt at the end of the at

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the production the Blade.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm like, I was gonna say, this is

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I want to read about, but I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe me and you will be the ones writing this, Jason,

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we'll write the book on what happened what happened

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<v Speaker 2>because we need to know, as the meme so perfectly

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<v Speaker 2>put it, We did this in the Zeros with Stephen Dorf,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like the original Blade movie is fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>I also wouldn't be surprised if we get some.

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<v Speaker 2>Lay two is very good, Blade two is obviously Blade two,

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<v Speaker 2>Giama dol Tory. Blade through three now has a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of counts charms, little charm. Also, say Reynolds, he's dead

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<v Speaker 2>pulling it up in that movie.

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<v Speaker 3>He's perfecting his Deadpool attitude.

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<v Speaker 2>I would also say I wouldn't be surprised if we

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<v Speaker 2>get some kind of hold over Wesley Snipes returning esque

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<v Speaker 2>like don't worry MCU news soon, Hey, there is the

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<v Speaker 2>Blade trilogy on Blu Ray physical media people.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally in this long news segment.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, what this Blue segment is almost as long as

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<v Speaker 2>the Blade production cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>Lebron James on on the on the social media platform

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<v Speaker 1>known fortunately as X tweeted quote best place to order

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<v Speaker 1>comic books from used to click when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 1>Batman being my fave. I can order and read from

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<v Speaker 1>iPad or best to do straight off the comic, which

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think he means, should I go to

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<v Speaker 1>a store? James Gunn then flew in with the answer

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<v Speaker 1>he was ready, DM me, I can hook you up.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let me ask you this, Rosie Knight. Yes, gorilla marketing.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this marketing?

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely goerrilla marketing?

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<v Speaker 2>It feels very akin to when Lebron James perfectly put

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<v Speaker 2>on X where can I watch X Men ninety seven?

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<v Speaker 3>Heard it's good?

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<v Speaker 2>And now I will say I do like the other

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<v Speaker 2>version of this where Lebron just uses X instead of

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<v Speaker 2>Google because there's like fifty million people were replied to him.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think something that is particularly cool about this

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<v Speaker 2>if it is gorilla marketing, and I assume with the

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<v Speaker 2>swiftness that James Gunn replied, it probably is. I do

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<v Speaker 2>like that under this thread now is likely hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of people sharing their local comic shops.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a cool side effect there. Also.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Cascepsio and I need to know who do you

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<v Speaker 2>think they're going to cast Lebron as in the James

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<v Speaker 2>gunnerverse now that he's done this tweet, as we know,

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<v Speaker 2>he already has the Warner Brothers hook up space jam.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, listen, I know that you just mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>Marcia being attached, but I think Lebron is a manhunter

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<v Speaker 1>lobo a lobo.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, I would love to see that. I could

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<v Speaker 3>see the energy there. Let's see.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also putting bets on by the end of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>we will have the classic. I visited the DC Comics

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter slash x post where you post you pose next

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<v Speaker 2>to the DC logo. You're holding some comics they gave you.

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<v Speaker 2>They're probably gonna give them a nice hot toys. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we'll see Lebron visiting the iceberg as they call

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<v Speaker 2>it now, by the end of this year, after this tweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, Yeah, okay, here we go, Episode seven, Death's

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<v Speaker 1>hand on me. Wow, I gets all along. And firstly, just.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, am I even ready to talk about it? I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. I'm like, I feel I've got it so

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<v Speaker 3>many times. Yeah, and I don't. I'm like, am I am?

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<v Speaker 3>I will I be able to process it?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know is just forget Marvel, forget Disney Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>forget all that. This is just a great television episode,

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<v Speaker 1>just a wonderful episode of TV. And I think, having

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<v Speaker 1>thought about it, maybe the best thing that Marvel has

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<v Speaker 1>done on Disney Plus. I think the single best episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's no question. I We open with Lilia dressed

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<v Speaker 1>as the Fairy Godmother and she's falling in slow motion.

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<v Speaker 1>We cut to the road billion Agatha walking uneasy companions.

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<v Speaker 1>He is asking questions. Agatha is like, you can ask

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<v Speaker 1>me stuff, you can talk to me. We can spend

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<v Speaker 1>this time talking to each other. So he says, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>where's Rio. Agatha is not like any question, but that

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<v Speaker 1>that's the one. I don't want to answer any other

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<v Speaker 1>questions for me. I was your babysitter once, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And Billy insists that, well, yeah, you were my babysitter,

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<v Speaker 1>but Wanda is not my mom, which is, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a huge note.

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<v Speaker 2>But also like I just want to say, like I

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<v Speaker 2>know that one day is somewhere and she hard that

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<v Speaker 2>and she is pissed, like she is so angry, she's

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<v Speaker 2>about to come back to life just because she heard

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<v Speaker 2>him say that, Like and also very interesting to say

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<v Speaker 2>that he obviously sees missus Kapplan as his mom, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that means we could probably see her potentially

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<v Speaker 2>come back.

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<v Speaker 5>Do we know that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because recall Wanda back to the Wanda Show Wanda vision,

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<v Speaker 1>she stole him from an alternate dimension, him and Tommy,

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<v Speaker 1>so he could be talking about miss Kaplan, but he

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<v Speaker 1>could also be talking about a different in that alternate dimension.

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<v Speaker 1>In either case, to your point, this is a that's

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<v Speaker 1>a huge drip.

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<v Speaker 2>I know she's somewhere, she's coming back to life just

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<v Speaker 2>because she heard him say that's not my mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Also lets you know that they're going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>very rocky relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is the case in the comics too, so not

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<v Speaker 2>not surprising. And then we get the great I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this episode is such a feat of writing because it

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<v Speaker 2>is talking to the audience, but it's also telling like

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<v Speaker 2>a timey Whimy Mike Flanagan esque emotional time is not

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<v Speaker 2>straightforward things story, And I love this next line where

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<v Speaker 2>Billy says.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I've got.

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<v Speaker 2>A question, you know, I just I just dissed my

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<v Speaker 2>mom and I said she wasn't my mom. But wander

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<v Speaker 2>maximf is she Is she dead? Is she really dead?

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<v Speaker 3>And Agatha's like, yes, no, maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, oh, you know, the conversations that we're happening,

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<v Speaker 2>you're so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>They come to a castle and this is something that

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<v Speaker 1>Agatha has not seen on the road before, and this

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<v Speaker 1>annoys Billy because Billy expresses now that the whole reason

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<v Speaker 1>that he did this and brought her here was because

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<v Speaker 1>he thought that her experience is the only person to

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<v Speaker 1>have walked to the end of the road ever, would

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<v Speaker 1>be valuable. And now it really feels like she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know anything about the road and she has nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>add to this, and so Billy kind of roasts her

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<v Speaker 1>about this and in fact wonders openly, did you actually

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<v Speaker 1>do it? Did you actually walk the road? And this

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<v Speaker 1>actually seems to hurt Agatha's feelings.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's some.

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<v Speaker 2>Really interesting moments here where we get to see how

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<v Speaker 2>much Agatha cares about what Billy thinks her and it

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<v Speaker 2>is very surprising, not something that I thought we would see.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's this moment. We get another moment when they're in.

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<v Speaker 2>The challenge, she seems to want to impress him, or

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:15.560
<v Speaker 2>at least have him back in that space where he

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:18.280
<v Speaker 2>was as teen where he was following her and acting

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:21.760
<v Speaker 2>like what she thought was important. Also another great moment here,

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:26.119
<v Speaker 2>very Sheeholk esque of the show having the conversation that

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:28.280
<v Speaker 2>fans have been having because from the very first episode

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 2>fans for like, has she walked the road?

0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:32.440
<v Speaker 3>Is this all hype? Is this part of her mythology?

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:35.199
<v Speaker 2>Like last week when we didn't mention that she is

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 2>the original Jolene in the Dolly parton song Joline, Like,

0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:41.360
<v Speaker 2>what is true and what is not true about Agatha

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:44.920
<v Speaker 2>is very fluid and I love that they knew we

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:49.119
<v Speaker 2>would be asking that question, But yeah, Catherine hann absolutely

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.840
<v Speaker 2>sells this moment of like, yeah, just heartbreak when Billy

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 2>says that she is no longer the witch he's looking

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:59.159
<v Speaker 2>up to. She is now just someone he has to

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 2>work with in order to achieve his aims.

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.280
<v Speaker 1>They get inside and they find themselves as in previous

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 1>puzzles transformed. Billy is now dressed as Maleficent and Agatha

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:15.200
<v Speaker 1>is the wicked Witch of the West.

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Who she says she says it was based on me,

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.800
<v Speaker 2>And again Billy turns around and he goes prove it,

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 2>and her face just.

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Falls the puzzle is a terror reading have to find

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the right cards and place them in the right spots

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:35.080
<v Speaker 1>on the spread. Billy starts to go first, he reads

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 1>an incorrect card, puts it increct card down, and a

0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:40.360
<v Speaker 1>sword and a sword falls from the ceiling. They look

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 1>up and the sword is just filled with blades.

0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Very fall it's very saw coded, very escape room. Very

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.439
<v Speaker 2>actually kind of gives hell raiser as well. This is

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 2>not a good place to be. And those swords are falling.

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they are falling. The next card is the Seven

0:26:56.880 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>of Swords reversed, which Billy inter it says, Agatha telling

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the truth, but he says, that can't be right. He

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 1>places the card down. Next sword falls. Okay, Billy's not

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 1>doing so well. Agatha grabs the cards and is like,

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:13.280
<v Speaker 1>let's just brute force this thing. Why are we sitting

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 1>here trying to find the right car Just like idea

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 1>not a terrible idea. Yeah, So she just starts brute

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 1>forcing it and putting it down until she's like, until

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>we find the right card in the right spot, and

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Billy points out this is going to take a while.

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.400
<v Speaker 1>She's like, well, we got time. But then the ceiling

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:35.880
<v Speaker 1>starts lowering, so that these blades are now soon enough

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 1>going to be pressing down into them, and Billy says,

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:40.359
<v Speaker 1>I wish Lily is here.

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 3>Boom oh.

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:47.960
<v Speaker 1>We cut to Lily waking up alongside Jen in the

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:51.160
<v Speaker 1>underground somewhere in some underground tunnel. They're covered in mud

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 1>after being flung into that swamp. But Billy Lilya clearly

0:27:56.359 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 1>losing time again and she doesn't remember anything that she's

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:02.200
<v Speaker 1>been saying to Jen.

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:02.920
<v Speaker 3>Which.

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Elucid It sounds like she's.

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Been having whole conversations that Jen is telling her about,

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>but that she does not recall. She doesn't recall, for instance,

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>telling Jen that Billy is the son of the Scarlet

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Witch and all this other stuff. Apparently Lilya also told

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Jen that these memory slips might happen, And now we

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 1>flash through various time slips from the show that end

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>in a terror reading in Sicily or somewhere in Italy

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 1>during the Renaissance, and it is Lilia's very first lesson

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 1>in divination and she's sitting there across the table from

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 1>her teacher and she's like, I'm bad at this, I'm

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 1>bad at reading tea lives. And the teacher says, I

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>think it's a great character moment and really just a

0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 1>wonderful writing again, so good. The teacher says, why do

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>that's just something you tell yourself that you're not good

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>at it also when you're actually good at it. Just

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>read the leaves and what do you see.

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 2>I love that we get Lilia here as herself, as

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 2>the age she is now, and you get this understanding

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 2>that okay, time is not what we think it is

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 2>and she can be both and has she.

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 3>Been here before? And has she not been here before?

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 2>And that is the big kind of central concy of

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 2>this really fantastic episode.

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Her consciousness is traveling through two different versions, two different

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 1>timelines in her own body, right, so her teacher is

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 1>seeing her as a young woman, but inside she is

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Lilia from the current story that we are watching.

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 2>And her teacher is not surprised when she says how old,

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>if how long have you been? She says, you know, centuries.

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>We go back to the tunnels. Lilia is now feeling

0:29:56.800 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>very sensitive and vulnerable about all these slips. She tells

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Jen that Okay, here's what's going on. Times and illusion.

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 1>I experience it out of sequence and now it's just

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 1>getting worse. It's slipping beyond my control. And Jen says why,

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and she says, I think it's because I'm close to

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the end. We flashed to the sword room and Lilia

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>is there with Jen, Billy, and Agatha, so we've clearly

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 1>jumped time. Now, Billy insists. They have this whole conversation

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>where Billy is just reading Lily's mind. He's responding to

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>her thoughts, saying like, no, I wasn't hiding my power

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>from you. No, what do you mean I didn't know

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>the first time. All these things that are questions that

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>go all the way back to their first meeting at

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Will Caplan's bar Mitzvah. She remembers him from that night, and.

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Jen interestingly is like, you're not mad at him anymore,

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Like we've already gone over that, you're not angry at them.

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 1>She recalls now that she was reading Billy when something

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 1>went wrong, and she admits, I did cast the sigil

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 1>on you because I knew from seeing your broken lifeline

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 1>that I knew what was going to happen to you,

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 1>and I thought you needed time to process that, and

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 1>so I put the sigil on you to give you

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>that time. Now, the ceiling is starting to come down again,

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>and we flash through all of these time slips that

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 1>we've sween on the show, and.

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 2>We start to see how they fit together, whether it

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 2>is saying to you know, don't try to save Agatha

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 2>as she said to Alice, where we knew that that

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 2>meant that Alice would die, which was what happened. And

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 2>we start to get to see the way that the

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 2>show has been so cleverly written that there are multiple

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 2>instances of that, and some of them go throughout different parts,

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 2>different episodes and come together to create a singular sentence.

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 3>It's really really great stuff.

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>So she ends up back with her teacher again, back

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>in Renaissance Italy, and her teacher is asking her what's so,

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>what's your life like?

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 5>Now?

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:57.239
<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? How's what's where are you with

0:31:57.320 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 1>your craft? Yeah? What's the co? Li is like, Oh,

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't have one, And the teacher is very disappointed

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 1>and says, well, you know which needs one, and you're

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>too afraid. That's why you don't want to have one.

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 1>You should relinquish this desire to control everything and control

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>your visions and just look at them. And we're going

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>to look at a word from our sponsors and then

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>we're going to be back.

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and we're back.

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 1>They flash from that flashback to the Lily's lessons with

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>her first divination teacher, back to the tunnels with Jen.

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Lilya finds Billy's spellbook down there in the tunnels with them.

0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 1>She tells Jen that initially, after experiencing these time slips

0:32:57.520 --> 0:32:59.479
<v Speaker 1>when I was a young girl, they stopped and they

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>stopped it. I just ignored them. I didn't want to

0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 1>engage with them. They scared me every time. You know,

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 1>they all end up at the same place. Yeah, people

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I love dying, and so I just ignore them.

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Also interesting here because that kind of sounds like an

0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 2>acknowledgment that she was actually the one who pushed away

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 2>her own powers. And I think that's going to be

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 2>a thread here because we know that was the case

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 2>with Alice because she didn't believe.

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 3>We know that even missus Hart she didn't know she

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 3>was a witch.

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 2>And then with Jen, we'd already theorized that perhaps she

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 2>hadn't been bound at all, and her trauma after whatever

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 2>happened with the doctor had bound her own magic. So

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that this is going to be a thread

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 2>that really it's about these women accepting their witchcraft and

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>becoming the coven, becoming the Sisthood because Lili is apparently

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 2>the reason that she stopped having her own powers. And

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I think it's just Patty does such a great job here.

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 2>It's so heartbreaking.

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they could become the coven, but it's also

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>like there's so few of them left by.

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 3>The I don't think it, no, no, no.

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 2>I think that the coven is what has happened on

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 2>the way, The careal Coven was the friends we made

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>along with whoever survives or whatever acceptance they find along

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 2>the way is what allows them to kind of regain

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 2>their powers or gain acceptance with their fate or whatever happens.

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's kind of the way that we're

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 3>going to leave it.

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 1>So they're in the tunnels and they come to the

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>back of a bookshelf that leads to the.

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 6>Sword room, which, as Jen has, I wish and Jen

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 6>knew because Lily had told her, we need to find shelves,

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:35.799
<v Speaker 6>and they were like, what are you talking about, but

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 6>love and behold there were the shelves.

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:39.319
<v Speaker 1>So they find that just as Billy says, I wish

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Lilia is here, was here, and there she is they

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 1>fall through. Lilia immediately is like, I know what I

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>have to do now. I have to do the reading

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.360
<v Speaker 1>on Billy. Okay, so everybody clear out and let me

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.279
<v Speaker 1>do this. Billy has to ask a question. It's got

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 1>to be the central question that he wants answered. That's

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 1>about why he wants to walk the road. And what

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Billy wants to know is I'm William or am I Billy?

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, that's a great question. The ceiling stops,

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:08.319
<v Speaker 1>seeming to signify like this is the right attack to take.

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 1>She talks about the card spread. This is a card

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 1>spread about a journey, and it's going to tell us

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 1>them a lot about this journey. So she starts laying

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>the cards down. The first card is the Magician, telling

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>us that Billy has enormous power he can affect reality.

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 1>The next card is the Sun Reunion and good fortune.

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 1>This really resonates with Billy. The next is Uh. She

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>pulls the High Priestess, which relates to Jen. She pulls

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 1>she's about to pull the card for the path behind

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 1>card slot, but she pulls the wrong card apparently, and

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 1>the sword that is directly above her seat begins to

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>fall on her and I think Agatha, though we don't

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:56.919
<v Speaker 1>really see it, Agatha saves her life.

0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:59.800
<v Speaker 2>We see earlier on in a flash forward as the

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 2>time I mean why meaness happens the Agatha is It

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 2>seems like she's the one who pushed her and saved

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 2>her from this death, which is very un Agatha of her.

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:10.720
<v Speaker 3>But of course she needs Lilia to survive this trial.

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>So we flash back again through various moments of time

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 1>slips that we've seen Lila experience, and then we end

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:20.839
<v Speaker 1>up back with the teacher, who asks why are you

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:23.839
<v Speaker 1>on this journey? And Lilia says, to get my power back,

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 1>and then the teacher's like, but you have your power,

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:27.799
<v Speaker 1>it never went anywhere, Like no, why are you really

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 1>on the journey? And then she says, I'm forgotten woman.

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 1>She's sad, apparently that all her visions have never led

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 1>to anything different happening. She saw that her coven was

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:42.879
<v Speaker 1>going to die and she couldn't change it. She saw

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.400
<v Speaker 1>that her teacher was going to die and nothing happened.

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:48.359
<v Speaker 1>The teacher says, well, you know, death is the thing

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:49.800
<v Speaker 1>that waits for us all.

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 3>It's the one thing we all have in common.

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 1>I love that it's the one thing we all have

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 1>in common, then she said, And so Lily is like,

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 1>when when is my death? She sees that she will

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.719
<v Speaker 1>fall that much she knows, and then all of a

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 1>sudden she knows what she has to do, and she

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:05.839
<v Speaker 1>has this moment of clarity where she remembers everything. So

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 1>they're back in the beginning of the tunnel. The Seven

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.120
<v Speaker 1>are behind them. They have to hide from the Seven

0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 1>at a certain point, and here they are at this

0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:17.360
<v Speaker 1>crossroads in the tunnel and Jen wants to leave, but

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 1>Lily says, I need you to come with me to

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>help Billy and Agatha to the trial. I'm going to

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 1>go there. I would like you to come with me.

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:28.560
<v Speaker 1>And Jenna's like, why do you want me to come

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.240
<v Speaker 1>with you, and she says, because you are my sister

0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 1>in the craft kind of begrudgingly agrees, but before Lila

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 1>can follow her, she goes, I know what I did wrong,

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 1>and then she turns around and boom, she's back in

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:44.919
<v Speaker 1>the sword room. So she ends up back in the room.

0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 1>She now knows what she's doing wrong, and she's not

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 1>reading for Billy, she's reading for herself. She starts pulling cards.

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 1>Queen of Cups and her teacher is immediately proud of

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:58.520
<v Speaker 1>this revelation. She understands now that she needs to be

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 1>sessing her own life future. The ceiling meanwhile, is coming down.

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 1>It's still continuing to fall. What's missing the Three of

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:11.879
<v Speaker 1>Pentacles collaboration. She's missing the coven. She pulls the card

0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.320
<v Speaker 1>for the path behind the Night of Wands. She sees

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Alice and the brave fight and sacrifice that she made.

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Once again, an Asian character dying first will get that's

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.840
<v Speaker 1>small note, but don't worry about it. The path ahead

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>space she pulls the card now is high Priestess, the

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 1>immense power, unwilling to use it, and this is clearly

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>for Jet. The next space is obstacles, the Three of Swords, sorrow,

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 1>the windfall that now here is the tower reversed, miraculous transformation,

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden she arrives back at the

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 1>beginning of the tunnel, right when they are after they

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>are thrown into the swamp and find themselves in the tunnel.

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Jen is out of it. She's not awake yet. Lilia

0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 1>is coming to and she sees a hooded figure approach

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 1>and it's Rio, and she realized that Rio is death.

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 3>Ay there she is sorry.

0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Sorry to all the people who are spoiled by this

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:09.839
<v Speaker 2>by the Funko Pop release, I feel like they did

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 2>not do a great job with that one, because this

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:14.839
<v Speaker 2>would be a huge, huge moment. I will say, love

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 2>the flashback to all the different times that they were

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 2>obviously signpointing us this way, Reo writing death when they

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 2>were on the Ouiji board, and her hilarious laugh, the

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 2>fact that she crawled out of the ground like a

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 2>zombie after missus Hart died.

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 3>I love this casting. I love Aubrey Plaza as death.

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I think this probably hints that will get some kind

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:39.479
<v Speaker 2>of maybe return of Thanos. Though, I will say something

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 2>very interesting.

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:42.840
<v Speaker 3>I get it, Yeah, I get it right. I'm like,

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:46.920
<v Speaker 3>I would do it, babe. You know what, there's not

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:48.920
<v Speaker 3>enough balance, don't care about that.

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Would I kill half of the population of the universe

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:55.400
<v Speaker 2>for Aubrey Plaza as death. Yes, that is a reason

0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 2>I can get behind. I will say though, during the

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>early episodes of the season, there was really interesting stuff

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 2>where Agatha was saying, you know, my mom wanted to

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 2>kill me when I was a baby. She said she

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 2>always knew she was I was evil. That is actually

0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:09.919
<v Speaker 2>very akin to some of the early stuff we've seen

0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 2>from the late of Thanos books where they're showing his

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 2>life as a baby. I thought that was very interesting.

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Maybe there's a world where Agatha will become the Fanos

0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:20.400
<v Speaker 2>love interest. But I also think we could see a

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 2>world where Thanos comes back for death, because let's be real,

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 2>who wouldn't.

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:25.359
<v Speaker 3>She's so beautiful. I love her.

0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:27.920
<v Speaker 2>This was a great reveal, Aubrey, you will be in

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:30.439
<v Speaker 2>the MCU forever. They will never get rid of you. Now,

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:31.800
<v Speaker 2>this is fantastic costing.

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 1>In the sword room, Lilia is frozen up, experiencing this

0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:39.279
<v Speaker 1>time slip with the last card, the death card, in

0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 1>her hand. Agatha seizes the card from her hand, slams

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:44.480
<v Speaker 1>it down on the last open slot and that's it.

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Puzzle solved. The sword ceiling stops and the door pops open.

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 1>They are able to leave. Lilia tells them that hey,

0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:57.439
<v Speaker 1>guess what Rio is death the original Green Witch. That's

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 1>what Agatha has not been willing to tell us.

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:02.799
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, yeah, what can I say?

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 2>I like the bad Boys. Oh my god, she's just

0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:09.719
<v Speaker 2>too much Matt. Okay, momentary pause. Does this mean we

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:14.279
<v Speaker 2>already heard Nick? Scratcher's voice calling for Agatha during the

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 2>teen slasher movie Trial is and at one point we

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:23.880
<v Speaker 2>heard Rio say, oh, my Scar, is this person that

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 2>I love to I hurt by having to do my job?

0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Does that mean Nick is dead?

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 2>And Rio reaped Nick and that is why her and

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:33.879
<v Speaker 2>Agatha fell out?

0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I think so.

0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 1>So Now the Seven sadly are approaching and Lilia gives

0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Billy his book back. She shepherds everybody, Agatha and Jen

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:51.399
<v Speaker 1>through the exit. She last, she says to Jen, Jen

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 1>is the last one through, and she's like, I loved

0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:55.840
<v Speaker 1>being a witch. And Jen knows in this moment that now.

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 2>And she says you're the future. She's like, you're the

0:41:58.600 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 2>path ahead, you have to go.

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:03.840
<v Speaker 1>She now knows that Lila's going to sacrifice herself. He

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 1>tries to stop her, but Lilya slams the door. The

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Seven arrive and lily says, well, once you have solved

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:20.240
<v Speaker 1>a trial on the road, you are filled with power

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 1>and one doesn't know what could happen with.

0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:26.400
<v Speaker 2>That, and if you stay too long in the trial

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.760
<v Speaker 2>death destruction, something bad will happen.

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 1>And so she grabs the tower reverse card and she

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 1>flips it right side up the tower. The tower that

0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:44.920
<v Speaker 1>they are in flips over so that everybody towards the ceiling,

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:48.400
<v Speaker 1>which is filled with swords. The seven are all impaled

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:52.719
<v Speaker 1>on the swords, and we must imagine that Lilia is

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 1>as well, because she.

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Lets go of the what she's holding onto to keep

0:42:57.760 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 2>us safe.

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 1>So we don't see her actually die, but we see

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:05.880
<v Speaker 1>her as a young girl once again, going to her

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.840
<v Speaker 1>lesson with her first divination teacher, and the teacher says,

0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:10.239
<v Speaker 1>let us begin.

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:13.240
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, I love that. I mean I was crying

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 3>by the end, like absolutely.

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Incredible episode, just like a really perfect episode.

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 3>The editing.

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Is all the pieces fitting like that is just so sad.

0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:28.319
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they did such a good job of

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:31.799
<v Speaker 2>like handholding us enough to be like, hey, you watch

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff on TV, so hare is why

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.280
<v Speaker 2>these moments and these words meant something.

0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 3>But it never felt too much.

0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:42.040
<v Speaker 2>It was always an emotional beat when you realized what

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 2>she'd been trying to say the whole time.

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:47.279
<v Speaker 1>To your point, you could have compiled all the time

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>slip moments before this episode and put them together and

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:54.920
<v Speaker 1>looked at them, and while obviously they were significant of something,

0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.920
<v Speaker 1>you could not have gotten to this no, and that

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I think was part of why it was so powerful.

0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Just an incredible episode. Lapone is so good.

0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 3>Give her an Emmy, Give her an Emmy.

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Just as good as it gets for Marvel on Disney.

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Plus absolutely, I can't wait to see the finale.

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:15.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, me too, Rosie.

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 1>This certainly felt like the Seven are done right, and

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:21.239
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know what the big antagonist is gonna

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 1>be for the finale.

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I find this really interesting because the Salem Seven in

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:28.080
<v Speaker 2>the comics. Obviously I am a passionate Salem Seven love

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 2>because they're like very weird, niche characters, very different. I

0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:33.879
<v Speaker 2>love the horror version they did here. But it really

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 2>does feel like they're done. I think in the notes

0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 2>one of our.

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Super producers caught that maybe it seems like only.

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Five of them got killed in the Swords, not seven,

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:46.239
<v Speaker 2>So there's something interesting there.

0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:47.879
<v Speaker 3>But who is the big antagonist?

0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:50.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we had said earlier, you know Billy kind

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 2>of has a dark side coded vibe. Is that a

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:58.320
<v Speaker 2>possibility that we're gonna reveal that somehow he is willing

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 2>to sacrifice Agatha? And though I have to say my

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:06.200
<v Speaker 2>got off the seeing the cords that lillopuld is that

0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Jen is going to probably end up as Billy's mentor

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.920
<v Speaker 2>after this. That was the feeling I was getting. The

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 2>immense power the two of them together is the big

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 2>bad Death is the big bad Rio?

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 3>Is she coming to get them because.

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:30.240
<v Speaker 2>Billy did cheat death by taking over William's body.

0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.319
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a good read. I will say that

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 1>I do think the seven are done for this and

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:41.480
<v Speaker 1>this is cheating for the simple reason that, like, they

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:45.160
<v Speaker 1>never had a line, none of them ever spoke a line,

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.920
<v Speaker 1>So it doesn't make it like I think that they

0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:53.439
<v Speaker 1>are truly done. Ye, it was never a moment where

0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 1>they said anything, but that's like not really a speaking line,

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 1>So I think they are truly gone. I do. I

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 1>do think that Rio is a good read. I also

0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:11.040
<v Speaker 1>think that whoever forced Jen off the path scared her

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 1>away from the life of a witch is gonna be

0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:17.040
<v Speaker 1>clearly is going to be the final trial right.

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, It's gonna be the creepy doctor kind of likely,

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:23.120
<v Speaker 2>which could be very horror.

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:24.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm very interested too.

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Now, this is obviously just great timing because the finale

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 2>episodes are gonna drop on the day before Halloween. On

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:34.520
<v Speaker 2>the thirtieth of October. But I am interested that they

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:37.560
<v Speaker 2>decided to put them both together. I want to know

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 2>what that means. Okay, other finale questions I have, will

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:43.839
<v Speaker 2>we see Tommy? Will Billy get what he wants at

0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:44.520
<v Speaker 2>the end of the road.

0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think he will truly get him unless

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:50.400
<v Speaker 1>they do a thing where they get him and then

0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 1>they recast for real Tommy that they're gonna use.

0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's a good point, because we haven't had

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:55.400
<v Speaker 2>any costumes.

0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh, we haven't heard anything. Again, that's cheating.

0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 2>But of Elizabeth Olsen showing up in the final episodes.

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:08.879
<v Speaker 1>I would put it in at sixty forty Okay, yeah,

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm sixty four forty against. I also kind of feel

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:17.880
<v Speaker 1>like I've been anti I've been the person pumping the

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.239
<v Speaker 1>brakes on Mephisto for you, we both have.

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've been asto enabler, and yet here you h.

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I now feel like it's at least in the realm

0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:37.000
<v Speaker 1>of possibility that whoever creepy doctor is is Mephisto related. Yeah,

0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:40.279
<v Speaker 1>is that the case we're gonna find out? But I

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:41.360
<v Speaker 1>think that that's.

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Un going down the witches road.

0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:47.920
<v Speaker 2>How it's changed you, Jason, how it's changed you now.

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:50.919
<v Speaker 3>You're in the Mephisto stuff. But yeah, absolutely cannot wait.

0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 2>What unbelievably spectacular kind of penultimate I understand now. After

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 2>last week's episode, I was like, wow, how could this

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:01.600
<v Speaker 2>not be everyone's favorite episode? And every cast member was like, no,

0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:06.719
<v Speaker 2>it's episode seven, Episode seven, Episode seven, and I totally understand.

0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:09.400
<v Speaker 3>Also, let's talk about, just before we go.

0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:14.960
<v Speaker 2>The ultimate troll needle drop of using Time in a Bottle, which.

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Was obviously famously the song that.

0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:20.880
<v Speaker 2>That Evan Peters Quicksilver did his incredible speeds to scene

0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:24.160
<v Speaker 2>two in Days of Future Past in the Fox Universe.

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 2>That was so much fun when they dropped it, because

0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 2>it's also perfect for this episode.

0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:31.920
<v Speaker 1>It's perfect for this episode for Lilia, who experiences time

0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:39.760
<v Speaker 1>in the bottle that is her life exactly. I can't

0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 1>wait to see where this finale. And Jack Schaeffer round

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:44.640
<v Speaker 1>of applause. You've done it.

0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, we were right because we said this from

0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:50.400
<v Speaker 2>episode one. But I'm like, let Jack Schaefer run the

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 2>MCU now please.

0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Everyone else has had their turn.

0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Let Jack Shaefer and her crew on this her producer,

0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:00.479
<v Speaker 2>her creative teams, let's let's have them at.

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 3>Least do some pitches. Guys. I want to know. Also,

0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:05.360
<v Speaker 3>I want to see what they would do with the movies. Jack,

0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:09.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm interested. I want to know you got a juice baby.

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:12.160
<v Speaker 2>This is the cheapest Disney Plus show that they've done,

0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:14.160
<v Speaker 2>and yet we're getting some of the best episodes we've

0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:16.239
<v Speaker 2>ever seen, So I'm interested.

0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:20.480
<v Speaker 1>On tomorrow's episode of X ray Vision, the extras crew

0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:23.640
<v Speaker 1>is back. X Gonna give It to You and what

0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:27.320
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna give it to you is more arcade.

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:29.800
<v Speaker 4>And on Thursday, Rosie and I celebrate HALLOWEENO, the rundown

0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:30.960
<v Speaker 4>of our favorite.

0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Horror films from the nineties and two thousand. That's it

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:43.640
<v Speaker 1>for this episode. Thanks for listening, Bye. X ray Vision

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<v Speaker 1>is hosted by Jason Getsubsion and Rosie Knight and is

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<v Speaker 1>a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are Joelle

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<v Speaker 1>Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a Booze Afar.

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<v Speaker 1>Our producers are Carmen laun and me A Tale. Our

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<v Speaker 1>theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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<v Speaker 2>Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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<v Speaker 2>and Heidi Our discord moderator,