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Speaker 1: This is episode fourteen of Native Land Pod, where we
Speaker 1: give you our breakdown of all things politics and culture,
Speaker 1: but most importantly, we give it to you straight, no chaser.
Speaker 1: We are your host, Tiffany Cross, Angela Rye, and Andrew
Speaker 1: Gillam and I got to kick it off with a
Speaker 1: question before we get into anything, Angela, who's the black sheet?
Speaker 3: Where's the black sheet sheet?
Speaker 4: Here's here's the blessing, but here's the black sheep? Would
Speaker 4: be third person, Andrew, It's just arrogant third person, Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: Here's the way, Donald, You Donald, you.
Speaker 3: Can point and be like, here's the.
Speaker 4: Black here's the blessed. Okay, mi's the moment, then let's go.
Speaker 1: The point of this was Andrew, everybody is wearing a
Speaker 1: black sheet T shirt.
Speaker 3: And he tried to redefine.
Speaker 1: We gave a conversation political debates, not political black sheep?
Speaker 2: A loner? Is itative? Where do we land on that?
Speaker 3: Andrew reclaimed it.
Speaker 4: I reclaim it. I mean what I mean I think
Speaker 4: because we're not like everybody else?
Speaker 3: Are you close?
Speaker 4: You strike out that you're different, that you are set apart,
Speaker 4: that more people are black sheep than not.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have giving David from the Bible.
Speaker 4: A little bit, yeah, a little bit, a little bit,
Speaker 4: all right, so you know, but you can help me
Speaker 4: work to redefine this thing. And I'm sort of at
Speaker 4: the nascent level. We had a full I'm talking about
Speaker 4: the listeners.
Speaker 3: Is this your brand or brand?
Speaker 4: And I won't be calling on my brand right now,
Speaker 4: but if you made this shirt.
Speaker 3: Where's the black sheep? All right right across? Alrighty, guys,
Speaker 3: you can get with that.
Speaker 4: You can get with this.
Speaker 2: Where you can get with that, you can.
Speaker 3: Get with that because this is where it's at. We
Speaker 3: don't get copyright infringement.
Speaker 4: Oh it's all good.
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Speaker 1: So let me tell you where the train is taking
Speaker 1: you today.
Speaker 2: No thanks, number nine on the New York.
Speaker 3: We got to cut it out.
Speaker 1: I didn't actually fall off the track because no thanks.
Speaker 1: That is what nearly half the Republican governors in this
Speaker 1: country are saying, a program to feed hungry kids. Well,
Speaker 1: some of them are saying, pick it up, pick it up,
Speaker 1: pick it up. So we're going to get into that
Speaker 1: a little later. And I have a question for the
Speaker 1: audience that I want you to answer later. If a
Speaker 1: political ad were made for you, Taylor made for you,
Speaker 1: what does that look like?
Speaker 2: What issues would they speak to?
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that. I want to hear
Speaker 1: you guys talk about that too. And how many of
Speaker 1: you all are still down with your day ones? I
Speaker 1: feel like we're day ones. We've been friends a long time.
Speaker 1: We're still rocking with the same crew for decades. So
Speaker 1: I kind of, honestly, I kind of attitude no new friends,
Speaker 1: but I do a little bit.
Speaker 5: You don't.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm warm to people, but it's hard for you
Speaker 1: and I have known each other for a long time.
Speaker 1: It's hard to build that same intimacy with somebody who
Speaker 1: I've known, you know, for decades. So we can be friends,
Speaker 1: but it looks different. But why I'm asking that is
Speaker 1: because I wonder if the Democratic Party builds the same way.
Speaker 3: They definitely don't if he doesn't either, I want to
Speaker 3: have that argument later. Okay, fine, fine, that's true.
Speaker 1: I'll try to say no new friends, but I kind
Speaker 1: of like, do you want to be my best friend?
Speaker 2: And that is maybe true?
Speaker 3: Where did you grow?
Speaker 6: What shoes?
Speaker 4: Did?
Speaker 3: You're new friends than she is.
Speaker 1: But I appreciate angel is no new friends because I
Speaker 1: I kind of like show.
Speaker 4: She embraces that's true.
Speaker 1: You do well, I'll tell you I definitely don't want
Speaker 1: it's my new friend. And that's he's politically homeless Republicans
Speaker 1: talking about. So we're gonna the point is, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into that. It was the Democrats say no new
Speaker 1: friends to them.
Speaker 2: We're going to see.
Speaker 1: But lastly, I want to say this, guys, don't reject
Speaker 1: me or make records to disrespect me waiting or indirectly.
Speaker 3: That's a bar.
Speaker 2: That's a bar.
Speaker 4: That is a bar. Who do you take it from?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not going to say I want the viewers.
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Speaker 1: because we're going to get into the rap beefs the
Speaker 1: latest with j Cole and Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 2: But what does that have to do with politics? We'll
Speaker 2: tell you.
Speaker 1: So stay tuned to the end of the podcast, and
Speaker 1: all right to my producer Nick, make like a DJ
Speaker 1: Collin and drop that beat.
Speaker 3: Oh major key.
Speaker 1: On a more serious note, honestly, imagine somebody offering you
Speaker 1: two point five billion dollars to feed.
Speaker 2: Food and secure children.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, and if they are offering you this and your
Speaker 1: response is NA or is it nah, no or not
Speaker 1: either one. That's what half the Republican governors are saying
Speaker 1: to this program. So let me just explain to the
Speaker 1: audience before we get into this. So Congress passed a
Speaker 1: new bipartisan two point five billion dollar program. Can we
Speaker 1: just pause for a second and say how rare it
Speaker 1: is for Congress to pass anything that's bipartisan? And so
Speaker 1: the program is known as Summer EBT, and the program
Speaker 1: will provide families about forty dollars a month per child
Speaker 1: who receives reduced price meals at school for free or
Speaker 1: free meals exactly, Thank you, so, reduced or free meals
Speaker 1: every Democratic governor will distribute these grocery cards this summer,
Speaker 1: but half the Republican governors are saying no. And these
Speaker 1: red state refusals will keep children. We'll keep aid from
Speaker 1: about ten million children. So that's a really serious thing
Speaker 1: for hungry kids. We're talking about this because this is
Speaker 1: an example of the federal government allocating funds, but your
Speaker 1: locally elected officials are operating autonomously, and so I just
Speaker 1: want to kick us off with and hear from some
Speaker 1: of these such governors. We're going to start off with
Speaker 1: South Carolina's Republican governor Henry Mecmaster.
Speaker 2: Let's hear what he has to say about the program.
Speaker 7: We already have programs to provide food for people below
Speaker 7: a certain income. We already have that. Also, keep in
Speaker 7: mind we have food banks galore. At some point we
Speaker 7: must end these pandemic programs. The pandemic is over all, right.
Speaker 1: That was a Republican governor of South Carolina, Henri Meckmaster.
Speaker 2: I'm really interested in you guys about this. Angela.
Speaker 1: You have a unique lens because you worked on Congress,
Speaker 1: so you can speak to how this is passed by
Speaker 1: artisan and also just your opinion on it. And Andrew
Speaker 1: being a locally elected official. This is very frustrating because
Speaker 1: so many people will say, oh, well, Biden didn't do this,
Speaker 1: and it's like they don't make the connection with the
Speaker 1: federal government is allocating this, but these Republican governors are saying, no, thanks.
Speaker 2: What do I think about this?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I'll let Angela take it from the
Speaker 4: federal but real quick, the governor who was just speaking,
Speaker 4: governorment masters his state. What has a twelve percent or
Speaker 4: so rate of children in poverty? What a luxury that
Speaker 4: is that you can be the governor. So we've got
Speaker 4: food bank's glore, Yet twelve percent of children, not adults,
Speaker 4: not families, but children go without food, many children. And
Speaker 4: I've come to experience this. I mean I was one
Speaker 4: of those kids who was on free lunch when I
Speaker 4: was in school. When you didn't have that lunch, you
Speaker 4: didn't eat, you ate breakfast, you ate lunch, and if
Speaker 4: you weren't an after school program that was largely subsidized,
Speaker 4: you got a little bit of snack after school and
Speaker 4: hopefully a little bit more to take home with you
Speaker 4: as you exited the door, and that would have been
Speaker 4: your meal until you come back. To school the next
Speaker 4: day and over the weekend. All across this country, millions
Speaker 4: of kids go hungry because of the absence of food.
Speaker 4: And I'm sorry, y'all. I believe this is true in Gaza,
Speaker 4: and I believe it ought to be true here in
Speaker 4: the United States, that food is a right and that
Speaker 4: everybody ought to have access to sustenance so long as
Speaker 4: you live.
Speaker 1: It's more than a right, it's a human need. It's
Speaker 1: a human love that you made the point about you
Speaker 1: can't learn when you're hungry. So before I go to you, Angela,
Speaker 1: there was another Republican governor from Nebraska, Governor Jim Allen,
Speaker 1: who would initially declined this program to feed hungry children
Speaker 1: in his state. So take a listen to what he said,
Speaker 1: and then I'll tell you what happened on the other
Speaker 1: side of the sound bite. That's another form of welfare
Speaker 1: that's just simply disagree and it's not doing our kids
Speaker 1: any good. Governor Jim Allen was confronted by children who said,
Speaker 1: you know, over the summer, I don't eat sometimes because
Speaker 1: I don't get these meals, Angela, And thankfully.
Speaker 2: He reversed course.
Speaker 1: But why does it take children like why do we
Speaker 1: have to put these children out to advocate to these governors,
Speaker 1: so do just what's right?
Speaker 8: I think, you know, I feel like we're in a
Speaker 8: time where human beings are lacking conscience to score political points.
Speaker 8: And I think that that has always been the case,
Speaker 8: but it's even greater now. I was looking at the
Speaker 8: data for the Electronic Benefit Transfer for the summer program,
Speaker 8: and five of the poorest states in the country, the
Speaker 8: states with the highest poverty rates, have said no to
Speaker 8: this program. That's Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, which is the poorest, Oklahoma,
Speaker 8: and Texas. And that tells you how morally depraved, frankly,
Speaker 8: these governors are, especially when you look at kids.
Speaker 3: We're talking about not a lot of money.
Speaker 8: It's forty dollars a month supplementation for these kids and
Speaker 8: one hundred and twenty dollars for the whole summer.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 8: Why would you say no to that type of support?
Speaker 8: And then here's the worst part. They're saying that they
Speaker 8: don't support handouts. They support handouts. It just depends on
Speaker 8: whose hand is out right.
Speaker 2: Corporations for one, Yeah, and.
Speaker 4: You don't they put their own they have to put
Speaker 4: it in their own states when the money's coming down
Speaker 4: to do what they wanted to do right bridge money.
Speaker 4: Remember how all them folks voted against Biden's legislation then
Speaker 4: showed up at ribbon cuttings and taking credit. Their donors
Speaker 4: are the construction companies that are building many of these facilities, bridges, homes,
Speaker 4: public infrastructure. I just want to say, real quick.
Speaker 8: Have any place like they don't have to decide what
Speaker 8: family they're born into, but you're gonna punish the kids completely.
Speaker 4: I just to correct myself South Carolina, I said twelve
Speaker 4: percent inverted. It's twenty one percent of the children in
Speaker 4: South Carolina are food and secure import Governor Allen twelve
Speaker 4: percent in his state find themselves in that same, very
Speaker 4: same condition. I guess the big thing for me is
Speaker 4: a lot of these guys are using red tape. They're
Speaker 4: saying with government funding. These governors are saying it comes
Speaker 4: with strings, so we don't want the strings that are
Speaker 4: com it's not enough juice for the squeeze. Even going
Speaker 4: so far, let me say the governor of Oklahoma said
Speaker 4: that this program comes with strings, and by the way,
Speaker 4: there are only a few children who are going to
Speaker 4: be impacted. The governor of Oklahoma should know that a
Speaker 4: few children in his state represents four hundred and three
Speaker 4: thousand children who will not have access to summer food
Speaker 4: this summer thanks to his intransigence and opposition. As Angel
Speaker 4: already pointed out, for political reasons only, there's nothing to
Speaker 4: be gained, there's nothing to be response.
Speaker 1: But I think the most acidine of these responses, that
Speaker 1: was like a slap in the face to literally hungry children.
Speaker 1: This is the the so called pro life crowd, as
Speaker 1: they call themselves, and I always say they care about fetuses,
Speaker 1: they don't care about actual children. The Republican governor of Iowa,
Speaker 1: Kim Reynolds, Her concern was this might lead to childhood'll
Speaker 1: be opacity. Oh that is the most ridiculous thing I've
Speaker 1: ever Oh, don't feed the kids, they gonna get fat, right, right.
Speaker 4: But those are the kinds of things that they reach for.
Speaker 4: And y'all know, this is part of the culture that's
Speaker 4: playing out in states all over the country where Republican governors,
Speaker 4: in this quote anti woke campaign, against wokeness, the welfare state,
Speaker 4: so on and so forth, are engineering their voters to
Speaker 4: believe that anyone who's on ebt government assistants is abusing
Speaker 4: the program. Yeah, never mind that the majority of folks
Speaker 4: who are on those programs are white Americans. The image
Speaker 4: that they often portray are barefoot, poor black families, mothers
Speaker 4: with children with no fathers, And that simply isn't the
Speaker 4: representation of who is the beneficiary, the majority beneficiary of
Speaker 4: these programs. And by the way, when it comes to
Speaker 4: black families, the majority of these beneficiaries, actually all of
Speaker 4: them are working. Many of them are working around the
Speaker 4: clock sets so that they can't pick up their kids.
Speaker 4: How do I know this? By the way, for those
Speaker 4: who are asking, because it's a requirement, you gotta work
Speaker 4: if you're going to receive these benefits. And unfortunately, a
Speaker 4: lot of folks also making the choice that I am
Speaker 4: not going to take a job because the time I
Speaker 4: spend on the job doesn't earn me enough to even
Speaker 4: put food on the table, And so they make the
Speaker 4: choice to put their children's you know, need for food
Speaker 4: to eat, sustenance before their own ability to work. And
Speaker 4: I just think it's a shame that we are we
Speaker 4: are stigmatizing even further for families.
Speaker 1: Historically, it was Ronald Reagan, the original make America this
Speaker 1: racialized debate around welfare when that you point out statistically
Speaker 1: more white Americans are on it. Before we move on,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, Angela gave you a few states.
Speaker 1: I want to list all the states thanks to our
Speaker 1: research assistant Lolo, who says, these are the states who
Speaker 1: said no that opted out of the EBC program. Alabama, Alaska, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, and Wyoming.
Speaker 2: Shame on all of.
Speaker 8: Them, but also not just shame, but if you live
Speaker 8: in these states or you have family members who live
Speaker 8: in these states. I know we're not at cost to
Speaker 8: action yet, but I think it's important here for y'all
Speaker 8: to know we are not.
Speaker 3: Just complaining about this.
Speaker 8: We are telling you to call the governor's office and
Speaker 8: let them know that you do not stand with them
Speaker 8: on this.
Speaker 1: That's right, none, that's right, it's nonsense.
Speaker 4: And I'll just say lastly on this, the money is
Speaker 4: going to be spent. Why the hell would you reject
Speaker 4: it from your state? For many of these people. If
Speaker 4: you're living in these states, you're likely a donor state
Speaker 4: to the federal government. If you're in Texas and Florida
Speaker 4: and Georgia and some of the others that are listed here,
Speaker 4: you're sending more money up then you're bringing back.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And you're letting states you know who are much smaller,
Speaker 4: bigfoot over your tax dollars coming home to feed the
Speaker 4: children in your in your own state.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if you're declining hungry children food, you're a jackass.
Speaker 1: All Right, we got to take a quick break because
Speaker 1: it's necessary. We have a quick break. We're going to
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages and stay with us.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, Welcome home, everybody, Welcome back to the Native lampod.
Speaker 1: So I want to throw out an interesting number of
Speaker 1: political ad spending will hit twelve point three.
Speaker 2: Two billion this year.
Speaker 1: Now, that's according to eMarketer, that's a market research company,
Speaker 1: And for context, that's nearly three times what it was
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. And I remember hearing the numbers in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen thinking that's better be retulus. Yes, and they
Speaker 1: keep increasing. I don't even know how to stop it.
Speaker 1: But I'm curious from you guys one where are see
Speaker 1: people seeing political ads? Because I feel like as more
Speaker 1: people are court cutters and not watching lindear or television.
Speaker 2: Where are these ads being placed?
Speaker 1: And to have any of us ever really been swayed
Speaker 1: by a political ad, Andrew, you've cut political ads? So
Speaker 1: curious even the decision to go negative an attack on
Speaker 1: opponent versus what you say about yourself, it's not an
Speaker 1: impactful ad. And for people, for our audience, I would
Speaker 1: love to hear from you guys on what a political
Speaker 1: ad would look like if it was catered to you
Speaker 1: and spoke to the issues, and it had validators that
Speaker 1: you could resonate with. So political ads became a really
Speaker 1: big issue in the eighties, you know, as there was
Speaker 1: more broadcasts and more opportunities to reach voters.
Speaker 2: People took advantage of that.
Speaker 1: One particular ad that really set the tone, I think
Speaker 1: for a lot of Black Americans, Yes, was the Willy
Speaker 1: Horton ad. So when political ads gained more prominence, it
Speaker 1: was with the race between George H. W. Bush and
Speaker 1: Democratic candidate Michael Dukaki. So let's play the Willy Horton ad.
Speaker 1: And so for our viewers who are listening and not watching,
Speaker 1: Willy Horton is, of course a black man who was
Speaker 1: a convicted criminal, and form your own opinion.
Speaker 2: After this, let's take a listen.
Speaker 9: Bush and Doucaca's Son crime. Bush supports the death penalty
Speaker 9: for first degree murderers. Doucacas not only opposes the death penalty,
Speaker 9: he allowed first degree murderers to have weekend passes from prison.
Speaker 9: One was Willie Horton, who murdered a boy and a robbery,
Speaker 9: stabbing him nineteen times. Despite a life sentence, Horton received
Speaker 9: ten weekend passes from prison. Horton fled, kidnapped a young couple,
Speaker 9: stabbing the man and repeatedly raping his girlfriend. Weekend prison
Speaker 9: passes do Coaca's son crime.
Speaker 1: Obviously that crime is grotesque, but to put this black
Speaker 1: man out there, it was sending a different signal to
Speaker 1: a lot of voters at that time. And of course
Speaker 1: George a w bish like tripled spending he built.
Speaker 4: Well, when you triple spending, you deserve to have your name.
Speaker 1: Yes, was building prisons and put a lot of money,
Speaker 1: really into a very punishing criminal justice system.
Speaker 4: But I helped to help to create the industrial complex.
Speaker 2: That we have, the president industrial complex. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: But I want to hear from you guys because there
Speaker 1: are so like as the times. As the decades have
Speaker 1: gone on, there are so many other issues with political ads. One,
Speaker 1: now we have AI you know, how might that impact
Speaker 1: political ads? Now we have a thousand things pulling at
Speaker 1: our attention, from streaming.
Speaker 2: To digital to gaming. So where are we seeing these ads?
Speaker 1: And aren't what we come to a point where political
Speaker 1: ads don't even matter anymore? Will it just be a
Speaker 1: game of information and disinformation? So I don't know, Andrew,
Speaker 1: you know, so just.
Speaker 4: Real quick on the where are we seeing these I
Speaker 4: see it every time I open my phone going to
Speaker 4: I mean as any any social media site, any website.
Speaker 4: No no, no, not the willing.
Speaker 3: Wanted to know what happened. I just wanted to see
Speaker 3: what happened to them. I have update w.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but let me I mean, the political space is
Speaker 4: increasingly moving, I think toward the corporate advertising space, including
Speaker 4: engaging many of these previously exclusively corporate advertising firms to
Speaker 4: bring them on the political side and say, how do
Speaker 4: we reach these folks now that we are not dealing
Speaker 4: with thirty million Americans sitting down at one time looking
Speaker 4: at television, you know, on the tube, if you will,
Speaker 4: They're looking at it anywhere. They're graphing information from everywhere,
Speaker 4: and just because folks, I'm sitting at home looking at
Speaker 4: traditional television does not mean no one should conclude that.
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean they're not getting information and news, some
Speaker 4: of it fake news, others of it legitimate news every
Speaker 4: single place they go, right, and so politics has to
Speaker 4: be there as well. I personally have the opinion that
Speaker 4: these ads serve to be more of a profit for
Speaker 4: your supporters. It helps them hear your message and then
Speaker 4: go out and share it with others. It gives them confident,
Speaker 4: it's motivational, and I think it helps to rally your base.
Speaker 4: It's sort of like political campaign side. I'm sure there's
Speaker 4: a lot of research and posters out there. I didn't
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily believe that the people who I hear
Speaker 4: from when my campaign signs weren't on a street corner
Speaker 4: were my supporters. The people who I heard from or
Speaker 4: my ads weren't up in a certain part of the state,
Speaker 4: were my supporters saying we keep seeing all you know,
Speaker 4: Dianna's ads, but we don't see any of your ads.
Speaker 4: They weren't coming from, you know, the opposition, saying I
Speaker 4: wonder what is Andrew Gilman have to say about what
Speaker 4: DeSantis just said, Well, just because.
Speaker 2: You brought that up, can I play one?
Speaker 1: Stay tuned because we're gonna play this ad, But I
Speaker 1: also want to update on Willie horton that and just
Speaker 1: found out. But I want to stay to what you
Speaker 1: said because DeSantis, honestly, in twenty eighteen, I thought he
Speaker 1: was such a weirdo and he without this super weird,
Speaker 1: cringey ad where he is for the folks who are
Speaker 1: listening and not watching, where he's talking to his children
Speaker 1: and his wife is kind of like the voiceover of that.
Speaker 2: It's so cringe. So let's take a quick listen to that.
Speaker 1: I apologize to the viewers have to suffer through this,
Speaker 1: but I think it's important so you can see what
Speaker 1: kind of ads were looking at.
Speaker 2: This was DeSantis.
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis, Republican illuminatorial candidate in Florida in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: Let's take a look.
Speaker 10: Everyone knows my husband, Ron DeSantis is endorsed by President Trump,
Speaker 10: but he's also an amazing dad. Ron loves playing with
Speaker 10: the kids, build the wall, he reads stories.
Speaker 4: Then mister Trump said you're fired. I love that part.
Speaker 3: He's teaching Madison to talk make.
Speaker 4: America great again.
Speaker 10: People say Ron's all Trump, but he is so much.
Speaker 5: More, big league, so good.
Speaker 2: I just thought you should.
Speaker 4: Know Ron DeSantis for governor.
Speaker 3: He didn't, I mean, but my home.
Speaker 4: Aside from the message, though, I have to say I
Speaker 4: cringed with that ad because I know the pains that
Speaker 4: my wife and I went through when we talked about
Speaker 4: when we would have our kids out on the trail,
Speaker 4: how and what was appropriate as it relates to cameras
Speaker 4: around the children and certainly if they were ever to
Speaker 4: be used in a politic ad. Could you imagine you know,
Speaker 4: you know, real committed parents deciding to sit their children
Speaker 4: down in the middle of the most hotly contested political
Speaker 4: debate build a wall or not build a wall, and say, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're building that wall. Trump now a convicted or accused
Speaker 4: and certainly found guilty libel of molesting and sexually arresting women.
Speaker 4: We all know what he did when he was president.
Speaker 4: I mean, but this.
Speaker 2: After grab them by the you know what.
Speaker 4: There isn't even a Democrat I want to sit down
Speaker 4: with with my children and a political ad and I
Speaker 4: will say that against you know, but that's how you
Speaker 4: feel about your family. You want to protect them as
Speaker 4: best you can, as best you can, certainly in a
Speaker 4: hot political debate, and to sit down with your kids
Speaker 4: in the middle of a hateful ad and a hateful
Speaker 4: debate around building a wall or not, to me, is
Speaker 4: just it's wild. I saw it. I thought it was
Speaker 4: disgusting when I saw it. I think it'sscussing now. Well.
Speaker 1: The thing is, though, I feel like sometimes these ads
Speaker 1: don't speak to us.
Speaker 2: I feel like people.
Speaker 1: I feel like they do kind of run these ads
Speaker 1: with majority white audiences like they're trying to speak to them,
Speaker 1: and I do. I think about like what if, like
Speaker 1: if we wanted to hear from somebody, Like what would
Speaker 1: ads look like if they truly targeted multi generational black
Speaker 1: voters the same way they do white voters.
Speaker 8: I'm telling you one thing, it ain't gonna sound like
Speaker 8: a Popeye's commercial. That's what's irritating to me. Like entering
Speaker 8: when it gets close to election time, it's so frustrating.
Speaker 3: It's like, let's break out the gospel boir be in
Speaker 3: the cookout.
Speaker 8: It is so pejorative and typical, and it's it is
Speaker 8: really really frustrating. I think that there are ways that
Speaker 8: ads can and should be motivational. I think that it
Speaker 8: doesn't need to look like indoctrination like what we just
Speaker 8: saw with Rhonda Santa Sent's kids.
Speaker 3: It also doesn't need to look like what was her name,
Speaker 3: I'm not a witch?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 3: So weird.
Speaker 8: She's so Christine O'donnald but like it's it was just
Speaker 8: so bizarre. Like now, when people think of political ads,
Speaker 8: I think they immediately think of I am not a witch.
Speaker 8: But there are several places where people can be reached.
Speaker 8: I think a lot of us spend too much time
Speaker 8: on social media. They have political ads they run on
Speaker 8: there now, and they aren't just targeted to supporters.
Speaker 3: It's people that you don't agree with.
Speaker 8: YouTube runs a ton of ads, Streamers, and if certainly podcasts,
Speaker 8: People when they tune into this podcast will hear political ads.
Speaker 8: This moment where we're taking to review political ads is
Speaker 8: not that. But to that point, I think that going
Speaker 8: back to this Willie Horton ad with h W Bish,
Speaker 8: it's fascinating because it really began I think my exposure
Speaker 8: to what the Boogeyman strategy was all about. Republicans typically
Speaker 8: use and approach in political spaces and debates at the
Speaker 8: state of the Union. Now that that has become call
Speaker 8: and response where they will find someone where they seen
Speaker 8: the Democratic Party or their opponent fail and hold that
Speaker 8: person out as the example of what politics will look
Speaker 8: like under this person's tenure and under their watch. So
Speaker 8: Willie Horton, what I didn't realize was Michael Ducaccus had
Speaker 8: actually supported a furlough policy. He pushed it while he
Speaker 8: was governor, and it actually was a law that was
Speaker 8: passed by a Republican governor in nineteen seventy two. And
Speaker 8: I never the thing wasn't a life update about Willy Horton.
Speaker 8: I was just like, oh my god, we would have
Speaker 8: never known that. And even when you hear Willy Horton,
Speaker 8: you immediately think about Michael Ducacus. That is the successful
Speaker 8: implementation of a boogeyman strategy. We typically don't play that
Speaker 8: way Progressives, black folks and the Democratic Party doesn't play
Speaker 8: that way.
Speaker 3: And I think it's to our own detriment.
Speaker 8: This is we often sit on the opposite side of
Speaker 8: folks who have several boogeymen, several like you know, Donald
Speaker 8: Trump's boogeyman is how many people died from COVID in
Speaker 8: the United States.
Speaker 3: Why he waited to respond to the pandemic.
Speaker 8: Right, the people who borrowed PPP money and didn't pay
Speaker 8: it back and it was fraudulent. They were following their leader.
Speaker 8: Even if they were black folks or brown folks, they
Speaker 8: were following their leader.
Speaker 3: They're thinking, I can be evincible.
Speaker 8: This man is stolen from a gazillion people, gone bankrupt,
Speaker 8: did all kinds of things.
Speaker 3: I can follow my leader.
Speaker 8: He should be a boogeyman. The people that followed his
Speaker 8: model should be boogeyman. You know, he is the Boogeyman
Speaker 8: of the Central Park five. We don't ever take that approach.
Speaker 8: We try to go hi, Michelle Obama.
Speaker 3: We need to be low, low, low to the flow.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, ye. And it's not because we're trying to
Speaker 3: be mean or evil.
Speaker 8: It's because there are a gazillion examples of what can
Speaker 8: go wrong under this leadership. If we're not going to
Speaker 8: be telling the successful stories and telling showing accomplishments, then
Speaker 8: we need to go low.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 4: The thing is a lot of the questions, who are
Speaker 4: you talking who are you talking to? Because that's the
Speaker 4: big question around these asks, who are you trying to
Speaker 4: who's the audience? And and nine times out of ten,
Speaker 4: the campaigns are making a choice between two things. A
Speaker 4: person who they know is going to vote but are
Speaker 4: not yet sure who that person may vote for, versus
Speaker 4: a person who might look like they're part of your demographic,
Speaker 4: yet they don't have a high propensity for voting. So
Speaker 4: do I cut an ad to inspire, motivate, and move
Speaker 4: that person who is unlikely to vote based off their
Speaker 4: record and trust that my ad is going to be
Speaker 4: what then puts them over, moves them closer to getting
Speaker 4: out to vote. Or do I go after that voter
Speaker 4: I eat Nicki Haley. I know we're moving into that conversation,
Speaker 4: the nicky Haley, disenfranchised homeless, the voter who's sitting out
Speaker 4: there saying, I voted every cycle, and I voted Republican
Speaker 4: every cycle, but Trump is a nonstose for me. I
Speaker 4: cannot vote for him. So the president then makes a decision.
Speaker 4: Do I then go for that voter who has a
Speaker 4: habit of voting and likely we'll go in and vote
Speaker 4: even if they don't vote for president, may vote everything
Speaker 4: underneath the presidency. Should I spend money trying to get
Speaker 4: that person to go in and cast the ballot for me.
Speaker 4: That's that's largely the choice that campaigns are making. And
Speaker 4: I will tell you when I ran my.
Speaker 3: Primary, choice did you make?
Speaker 4: We went toward building a new base, right I think?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And you could test because the media largely discounted you
Speaker 1: in they did not guess what.
Speaker 4: They weren't shown up in the polling. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: On the day of the primary, the day before the primary,
Speaker 4: the last poll that came up to the primary race
Speaker 4: had me running fifth out of five candidates.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fifth out of five because they were looking at
Speaker 4: all the traditional news sources and who had heard of
Speaker 4: me and that kind of thing. Well, we were putting
Speaker 4: billboards up in neighborhoods that had been hadn't seen a
Speaker 4: new billboard in ten years yea hours nor to start,
Speaker 4: So our strategy wasn't on the mainstream media. We use
Speaker 4: some other technics that I could have how.
Speaker 1: To touch that showed how they're out of touch. But
Speaker 1: I love that you brought up the fact that it
Speaker 1: was that you can afford. People don't understand how these
Speaker 1: media bides are very expensive. We just said twelve point
Speaker 1: two to three billion billion with a B dollars, Andrew,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, I think your campaign, your
Speaker 1: campaign ads, it was innovative. You know, we had seen
Speaker 1: similar things with Barack Obama, but that was at a
Speaker 1: national level, at a local level, with a community as
Speaker 1: diverse as Florida. And it's not just diverse. There are
Speaker 1: within black people. It's diverse, you know, when you think
Speaker 1: about Afro Latinos, when you think about Haitians, when you
Speaker 1: think about you know, different immigrants at right exactly, I
Speaker 1: want to just really quickly if we can, because this
Speaker 1: was a political ad that resonated with me.
Speaker 3: And I know we're coming up on four twenty this
Speaker 3: look guys.
Speaker 1: But this ad in particular, I thought was very audacious
Speaker 1: and innovative and courageous for sure. So I want to
Speaker 1: play this ad from Gary Chambers, who was running for senate. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Senate in Louisiana. And for the people who are listening
Speaker 1: and not watching, he is just sitting in an empty field,
Speaker 1: lighting something in his hand that he's about to smoke.
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 11: Every thirty seven seconds, someone is arrested for possession of marijuana.
Speaker 11: Since twenty ten, state and local police have arrested and
Speaker 11: estimated seven point three million Americans for violating marijuana laws,
Speaker 11: over half of all drug arrests. Black people are four
Speaker 11: times more likely to be arrested for marijuana laws than
Speaker 11: white people. States waste three point seven billion dollars enforcing
Speaker 11: marijuana laws every year. Most of the people police are
Speaker 11: arresting aren't dealers, but rather people with small amounts of pot,
Speaker 11: just like me. I'm Gary Chambers and I'm running for
Speaker 11: the US Senate and I approved this message.
Speaker 3: I love it and love it.
Speaker 1: First of all, you can't see that we were just coming.
Speaker 1: That is a pretty big blunt in this man's hands.
Speaker 1: But beyond it is not about like I'm encouraging you
Speaker 1: or discouraging you from using marijua. It is about it
Speaker 1: is a political issue, a state resource issue, and he's saying,
Speaker 1: this is what you all doing in normalizing. This is
Speaker 1: what I do, the same way you may go home
Speaker 1: and have a glass of wine. This is what I do.
Speaker 1: That spoke to so many people who said, yes, this
Speaker 1: ad speaks to me. I feel seen. And so he'd
Speaker 1: lost that Senate race. Unfortunately, he was run against Kennedy, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Republican and the Republican won because he had deeper pockets.
Speaker 2: But just the fact that.
Speaker 1: He was saying, yes, all of you, you folks who
Speaker 1: look like me, who might indulge in this, I am
Speaker 1: bold enough to say, I see you, I speak to you,
Speaker 1: I recognize you as a valid voting block that I
Speaker 1: want to engage.
Speaker 8: So I like you also got hit pretty hard. I
Speaker 8: think some of the folks who are the worst defenders
Speaker 8: of respectability politics are black folks. Yes, so it trives
Speaker 8: me crazy, especially in the South. You know, there were
Speaker 8: folks in Louisiana like, how dare he do this? This
Speaker 8: is too risky. He doesn't come from the same pedigree.
Speaker 8: You know this, you know, someone who's a rising star
Speaker 8: through the traditional ranks. He did not have the support of,
Speaker 8: you know, kind of a democratic bench, you know, like
Speaker 8: where are you? You disrupted the bench that we actually
Speaker 8: aren't investing in building. So, you know, I love this
Speaker 8: ad And one of the things I love even more
Speaker 8: is Gary took that loss and used it as when
Speaker 8: beneath his wings, we actually were just touching base recently
Speaker 8: because Gary started a civics project where he's going around
Speaker 8: the country to talk to people about how to get
Speaker 8: involved and every single level level of government.
Speaker 3: It's called Civics for the people.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 8: And he is literally training people in multiple states. I
Speaker 8: was like, I see a partnership opportunity on the horizon
Speaker 8: with Native Lampire for the people.
Speaker 2: I want to say how I came to know him.
Speaker 4: A lot of people.
Speaker 2: Viral because he got up talk about you, Connie.
Speaker 4: He went, but he went there regularly. Right, there was
Speaker 4: a main stay at the in the in the county
Speaker 4: where he lived, going to the school board. Connie didn't
Speaker 4: want to hear about some of the the racial issues
Speaker 4: that Connie's own line shopping for clothes during the public
Speaker 4: speaking part, and he called her out and then zoom
Speaker 4: in on his phone and I but but it was
Speaker 4: so real, it was so authentic.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: What I love about the ad and I think it
Speaker 4: accomplished two things. One, he used the dramatics of something
Speaker 4: you would not see on television. Right, somebody's smoking with
Speaker 4: still is I think the majority of states and illegal
Speaker 4: substance and federally it's still.
Speaker 1: And the ad was thirty seven seconds when he was
Speaker 1: saying every thirty seven ee.
Speaker 4: So intentional with regard to the timing, intentional regard. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna use something that is totally taboo to grab your
Speaker 4: attention and why you're looking at me, I'm gonna spit facts.
Speaker 4: And so if you were a viewer, I guarantee you did.
Speaker 4: You did not turn the television. You did not. You
Speaker 4: didn't flip past that ad when you saw what was taboo,
Speaker 4: and like no one does this, he did it and
Speaker 4: he reached and audience the problem. You know, Angela, you
Speaker 4: point out a lot the respectability politics.
Speaker 1: And black and the fact that, but Angel's point was
Speaker 1: that black folks are the ones.
Speaker 4: And I also get it. I also get it. It's
Speaker 4: not always just not in front of mister Charlie. It's
Speaker 4: also we've worked too hard and come too far to
Speaker 4: break out of a box of what they have put
Speaker 4: us in, what they make of us, so what they
Speaker 4: think we are, and the truth is is, like everybody else,
Speaker 4: we are a vast, colorful array of people. We're not
Speaker 4: a monolith, as is no one and so we have
Speaker 4: a right to express ourselves in whatever ways. But because
Speaker 4: folks had to go about it the hard way, and
Speaker 4: I have respect for it and pay homage to it,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't mean that what got us here is
Speaker 4: going to keep us here and certainly doesn't mean what
Speaker 4: got us here, but it won't if they are retracting.
Speaker 4: You understand, we are in a generation now where rights
Speaker 4: are not being expanded, which has been the American experiment
Speaker 4: since its founding was to buy and buy and buy
Speaker 4: expand AX has expand rights. We should have had it
Speaker 4: on day one. Nonetheless, they got to it day four
Speaker 4: hundred whatever. Yeah, But the point is is that people, folks,
Speaker 4: folks still assume that we are we are playing polite
Speaker 4: on all sides. That manual was ripped up a long
Speaker 4: time ago. Burn it was burned, ripped up there.
Speaker 1: Don't want to hear how well you can work with
Speaker 1: folks across the aisle.
Speaker 2: That's not the one is not true.
Speaker 8: I wish I actually wish that that were the case
Speaker 8: and were it was like that one I worked on
Speaker 8: the hill.
Speaker 3: It was I mean, not on everything, but a little
Speaker 3: bit you could work with. Now they can't even work
Speaker 3: with each other. Yeah, you know, but into that, you know.
Speaker 4: But they're using the tools of government, the tools that
Speaker 4: we that we have given them towards the end goal
Speaker 4: of making our lives better. They're using them, weaponizing them
Speaker 4: against a political opponent. Take the theft of the Supreme
Speaker 4: Court justice under Barack Obama a year into a year
Speaker 4: out from the president's re election, that we are not
Speaker 4: going to entertain a sitting sworn in commander in chief,
Speaker 4: which means up until the moment he is no longer
Speaker 4: president at noon on January twenty first, whatever in nineteenth
Speaker 4: but until that day your president, and so what member
Speaker 4: of the Congress gets to abridge your powers as President
Speaker 4: of the United States because they determined you were a
Speaker 4: year out from an election and a.
Speaker 3: Political ad that encourage it exactly.
Speaker 1: Speaking of political can I just self promote for a minute,
Speaker 1: because I think to the point how the mainstream media
Speaker 1: completely discarded you and I know you guys. Every week
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm discount and discounted. Yes, every week,
Speaker 1: I'm like dumping on the media because I feel like
Speaker 1: the mainstream media is.
Speaker 2: Just utter trash, it's garbage.
Speaker 1: But I think there is something that when Native lamppod debut,
Speaker 1: we debuted number one across all categories, not just news,
Speaker 1: across all categories, and I think there's something to people
Speaker 1: saying you speak to me, you speak about issues I
Speaker 1: care about, you make this conversation interactive. I can tune
Speaker 1: in and you're explaining things to me. You're informing me,
Speaker 1: You're not just giving your opinions. And I think that
Speaker 1: says something about where the American body politic is sure.
Speaker 1: And while the mainstream media outlets political ads, all of these,
Speaker 1: they cater to a shrinking demographic, we audaciously speak to
Speaker 1: a growing demographic. And I encourage more people. There should
Speaker 1: be people in every pocket of all you know, ethnicities.
Speaker 1: There will be no racial majority in this country in
Speaker 1: twenty forty four. So this propensity to cater to white voters,
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna have to adjust. I want
Speaker 1: to get to something you said though, and kind of
Speaker 1: shift us a little bit, because you were talking about
Speaker 1: the Nikki Hayley voters, and that is the whole thing
Speaker 1: about these new friends. You know, well, because as people
Speaker 1: are shifting from the Republican Party and they feel like
Speaker 1: politically homeless, I do wonder about that, and I think
Speaker 1: that that deserves some of our attention. Here will democrats
Speaker 1: not just in political ads, because we're seeing that, Angela,
Speaker 1: you talked. I looked up Angela and I we were
Speaker 1: all together last night. Angela rolled up on us with
Speaker 1: her camera. We'll see, we'll drop that behind the scenes later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we were talking. We ended up hanging out last
Speaker 1: night and we were talking about this memo that came
Speaker 1: out with President Joe Biden going after these nicky Haley voters.
Speaker 2: I think I have it, Angela.
Speaker 1: You may know more than I do on this, but
Speaker 1: essentially the Biden administration, Yeah, the Biden campaign, forgive me.
Speaker 1: They are spending more than a million dollars on an
Speaker 1: ad campaign across digital platforms in battleground states. It was
Speaker 1: part of a six week, thirty million dollar ad buy
Speaker 1: after the President's mark seventh State of the Union, going
Speaker 1: after some of these nicky Hayley voters and some of
Speaker 1: the Republican voters who feel politically homeless. I find this
Speaker 1: very frustrating because nationally, Democrats have not won the majority
Speaker 1: white vote since nineteen sixty four. That was the year
Speaker 1: that Lyndon Johnson ran and even he lost that white
Speaker 1: Southern coalition to Bury Goldwater. So on the other side
Speaker 1: of this break, I want us to pick up on
Speaker 1: that conversation and talk about that. So stay with us,
Speaker 1: audience at home. We're going to dig into that. Will
Speaker 1: Democrats shift to accommodate GOP voters. That's on the other side.
Speaker 1: Stay with us, We'll be right back.
Speaker 6: High Native Lampid.
Speaker 3: My name is Kyle.
Speaker 6: I'm from New Jersey. So I have a question because
Speaker 6: there's always this rhetoric, specifically in the black community, about
Speaker 6: how Democrats don't do enough for Black people and how
Speaker 6: they constantly take our votes for granted. And my question is,
Speaker 6: why is it that the Democrats don't display what they
Speaker 6: have done for the Black community more?
Speaker 2: All right, Kyle, thank you for that question, is right.
Speaker 1: I love when our viewers are like right on target
Speaker 1: with what we're talking about. So, Kyle, we're about to
Speaker 1: get into that very subject about GOP voters and the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party trying to make inroads with them and not
Speaker 1: talking enough about what they do for black folks.
Speaker 2: So thank you for that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So before the break, we were talking about this
Speaker 1: shift of you know, politically homeless GOP voters, and I
Speaker 1: we could.
Speaker 2: Make the argument that black folks are also politically homeless.
Speaker 1: We've been squatting in this house because of the rage
Speaker 1: and storm outside, but we are homeless too, and so
Speaker 1: get in the house that we built. Imagine that Quadden
Speaker 1: in the House that we for free, as Angela Ray
Speaker 1: always says, we built this joint for free. So with
Speaker 1: more than a million dollars on this ad campaign, I
Speaker 1: am curious, like, where is the equivalently matched because the
Speaker 1: mainstream media, again although ill framed and I would argue
Speaker 1: against it, but they're constantly talking about black voters or
Speaker 1: you know, iffy on President Joe Biden, so it might
Speaker 1: make sense to me that you might make great efforts
Speaker 1: to reach us. I'm curious I could have this wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you guys think about it. Throughout this conversation.
Speaker 1: I do want to I have a white woman and
Speaker 1: a white man who are talking about where they stand politically,
Speaker 1: so I'll play those sound bites later. But I'm just
Speaker 1: curious your thoughts of off the cuff, Angela, what do
Speaker 1: you think about this whole? Are you concerned because I'm
Speaker 1: concerned that the Democrats will shift policy wise to accommodate
Speaker 1: these voters, but curious your take?
Speaker 3: Are you sure they have not shifted?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 8: What is frustrating about this conversation because you are like
Speaker 8: no new friends, is this is not a new conversation.
Speaker 8: This is another old attempt at trying to get people
Speaker 8: who are new to them again.
Speaker 3: And they're not coming back. There's no like.
Speaker 8: It's the people that like the little kids that go
Speaker 8: to school be like, will you play with me? And
Speaker 8: it's the little mean kid is like, no, that's what's
Speaker 8: happening here. They're not going to play with you. They
Speaker 8: throw a tea an Truman said, if Nikki Hanley didn't win,
Speaker 8: I'll never vote for Trump.
Speaker 3: Then they turn around and said, it's like, I'm just playing.
Speaker 3: I'm voting for Trump.
Speaker 8: But yet and still they're going to spend all of
Speaker 8: this money and then come to us in the eleventh hour,
Speaker 8: probably after the DNC convention, despite Jamie Harrison's best efforts
Speaker 8: to try to get them to invest in black communities,
Speaker 8: talking to black communities and a multi year plan.
Speaker 2: Famie Harrison, Terrace and DNC the Democratic National Committee.
Speaker 8: He does and despite his best attempts, I think that
Speaker 8: we are going to find ourselves back in a seat
Speaker 8: in August or September with them.
Speaker 2: He's a black man who ran presented in South Carolina.
Speaker 8: And still white people run the party. And so even
Speaker 8: though he is in a leadership role, he should have
Speaker 8: every say. He is brilliant, worked on Capitol Hill, was
Speaker 8: a registered lobbyist doing great work. I call him a
Speaker 8: thought partner, amazing guy. They're not listening in the ways
Speaker 8: that they should. This man comes from South Carolina. He
Speaker 8: knows what it's like to be in a rural community
Speaker 8: and ignored, just like Andrew targeted rural black voters when
Speaker 8: he ran for and understand so. Yet you would just
Speaker 8: think that at some point you would listen to the
Speaker 8: people who know these communities because they're of these communities.
Speaker 8: And instead you continue to take the same old tire
Speaker 8: tactics and are surprised where you don't get better results.
Speaker 8: To Andrew's point, we don't have any choice but to
Speaker 8: grow the base. You can't continue to do the same things,
Speaker 8: targeting the same people and think that you are going
Speaker 8: to significantly increase your your your return on investment. Your
Speaker 8: investment is the same. It's to the same people who
Speaker 8: ain't thinking about you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they're playing with the marbles that are
Speaker 4: on the table, right No one's looking at the fact
Speaker 4: that of the marbles that are on the table, Guess what, y'all,
Speaker 4: there is one hundred percent of those underneath the table. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And this is a true statement. Half Americans don't vote.
Speaker 4: So you're looking at what's on the table, and what's
Speaker 4: on the table, you can double that if you look
Speaker 4: under yes, yeah, and pick a couple up right. So,
Speaker 4: and it's a risky strategy only because it isn't what
Speaker 4: the consultant class is convincing. You need to be pursued.
Speaker 4: So everybody who was part of the general traditional consulting
Speaker 4: class at least am I resent Florida in the primary
Speaker 4: they were with a particular candidate, and then got spread
Speaker 4: across as the field grew, thought we were ridiculous with
Speaker 4: our very limited resources. And I don't know, I can't
Speaker 4: remember the saying. One of y'all may be able to
Speaker 4: remember it. But basically, the reason why we had to
Speaker 4: innovate is because when you don't have no resources and
Speaker 4: you got to make a way out of no way,
Speaker 4: creativity flourishes.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 4: You come up with all kinds of things. Water is
Speaker 4: going to go to the cracks. So we found our
Speaker 4: way to the cracks with what we had. And in
Speaker 4: most cases you're dealing with a set of finite resources.
Speaker 4: They can grow or shrink on the margins and then
Speaker 4: with those finite resources you and the consultant class, most
Speaker 4: of the consulting classes, is making a choice around where
Speaker 4: you want to spend those limited resources.
Speaker 1: Right, And they say, do you don't look like us?
Speaker 4: And guess what, I think the ones who do look
Speaker 4: like us are often parroting a strategy that they were taught,
Speaker 4: often in the big houses of communications and firms and
Speaker 4: that country. So they didn't come in and you think
Speaker 4: you've got a person who will understand what it means
Speaker 4: to speak to marginalized communities and moving the vote, they
Speaker 4: don't have a god damn clue because that's not who
Speaker 4: they're dealing with. They were trained and how to deal
Speaker 4: with the marbles on the table and what I'm suggesting
Speaker 4: in what we did.
Speaker 2: A lot of things.
Speaker 8: Sometimes I think that our folks don't get chances on
Speaker 8: your campaign.
Speaker 4: Because they don't get chances they I get that folks
Speaker 4: aren't willing to experiment. My point is is there was
Speaker 4: no pathway to victory for us other than creating a
Speaker 4: base that could take us there. We knew that the
Speaker 4: people existed, but it was then a very challenging fight,
Speaker 4: even for me as a candidate. I'm leading my name's
Speaker 4: on the ballot. Why am I fighting with you about
Speaker 4: the resources I went out and raised to support the
Speaker 4: campaign about where those moneys are going to be spent.
Speaker 4: So those choices have to be made. My plead to
Speaker 4: the party would because I get what's happening. What happening
Speaker 4: is do we take what we know is gonna be
Speaker 4: there and borrow from it Republicans who may not support
Speaker 4: Trump this sign and borrow from it. Or do we
Speaker 4: take what we know is a group of people who
Speaker 4: would be with us if they voted, but they don't vote.
Speaker 4: But let's take the risk to grow that number. Yeah,
Speaker 4: bet that they may come out and support us and
Speaker 4: take the chance of losing a race because we targeted
Speaker 4: largely communities who didn't have a pattern of showing up
Speaker 4: on election day, and that's a risk that a lot
Speaker 4: of candidate I'm just saying, who.
Speaker 8: I'm going to fight you on one thing? You can
Speaker 8: not physical not physical law Andrew. I don't know if
Speaker 8: you remember this, because you were very busy trying to
Speaker 8: raise money and prepare for debates on your campaign. We
Speaker 8: hired a firm I won't say the name on here,
Speaker 8: but we hired a firm that was more corporate in
Speaker 8: their marketing approach. It was a black firm. The reason
Speaker 8: we did that is because of what you just raised.
Speaker 8: There are some folks who were trained inside the who
Speaker 8: went outside the box. This marketing agency did big campaigns
Speaker 8: for some successful corporations and they took that same approach
Speaker 8: to Andrew's campaign and it was it was very well received.
Speaker 4: That's true. So I don't want to paint You're right.
Speaker 4: I was want to paint everybody with a broad brush. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because you're right, But those weren't people who grew up
Speaker 4: who were trained up of political advertising. This is what
Speaker 4: it is, right, these were. This was a different This
Speaker 4: was a different section, and those folks are not being
Speaker 4: engaged largely in these political campaigns at the level that
Speaker 4: they should be. Yeah, And all I'm saying is is
Speaker 4: I think we can do both at one time. You
Speaker 4: have to first of all, if you're raising more money
Speaker 4: than has ever been raised before for the office of presidency,
Speaker 4: you're not being limited by whether or not you can
Speaker 4: talk to a base or grow a base. You can
Speaker 4: do both. You can walk, chew gum, grow a base,
Speaker 4: and then and then double down on the plan by.
Speaker 8: They cannot risk aversion like to your point, like, how
Speaker 8: dare you have?
Speaker 3: How much was it again?
Speaker 1: Tiff was one point two to three billion, twelve point
Speaker 1: political Like you if you're a million.
Speaker 4: I go after right, No, that is hardly the number.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's way more thirty million dollar ad buy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but all I'm saying is one million was just
Speaker 1: for the digital platform.
Speaker 3: And I bet you that's even under well, but.
Speaker 2: That's all that was all according to.
Speaker 4: The Washington Let's look at the ads and then say
Speaker 4: who they're talking to and of that, then come up
Speaker 4: with that number. Let's say thirteen million people and then
Speaker 4: divide the total costs by thirteen and that's how much
Speaker 4: they're spending on Nicki Hagen and other otherwise. But here's
Speaker 4: which is the lion's share of money that will be
Speaker 4: raised and spent. This is what say, this much of
Speaker 4: the life.
Speaker 8: And this is my point, right, like if you're in
Speaker 8: the fight for your life. I keep saying, this election
Speaker 8: is a political war, it is not a campaign as usual.
Speaker 3: Then that means you have.
Speaker 8: To take a lot of risks. You have to take
Speaker 8: a lot of risks. You got to find people under
Speaker 8: the marbles, under the table. You have to go in
Speaker 8: and in a way that you've never gone in before.
Speaker 8: You cannot listen to the same old, same old, because
Speaker 8: this is different. It is just very different. If you're
Speaker 8: not just in a campaign and you're in the battle
Speaker 8: for your life. You're bringing in people who have all
Speaker 8: kinds of different tactics, have used all kinds of different tools.
Speaker 8: They're innovators, and we might even disagree with Yes, yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm not seeing that right now, and I think that
Speaker 8: they've got to do that.
Speaker 1: Well, can I can I just really quickly interject with
Speaker 1: some new reporting. It came from Pew Research just this week.
Speaker 1: Republicans have made significant gains among voters without a college degree.
Speaker 1: These voters are rule voters and white evangelical voters, not
Speaker 1: black votes. The trend toward the Republican Party among white
Speaker 1: voters without a college degree has continued Democrats. Democrats have
Speaker 1: lost ground among those voters and among Hispanic voters too. Now,
Speaker 1: do you want to point out a voter's party affiliation
Speaker 1: does not always predict how they will vote. But Democrats
Speaker 1: have held on the key constituencies like black voters, younger voters,
Speaker 1: and they gain grounds with college educated voters.
Speaker 3: To me, it makes.
Speaker 1: Sense if you see you are continuing to lose this
Speaker 1: white vote. Why on God's green earth are you spending
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars to go and say please come back
Speaker 1: and ignoring, severely ignoring, and not spending dollars and not
Speaker 1: doing I think an audacious enough outreach to voters who
Speaker 1: look like us.
Speaker 2: It is a slap in the face.
Speaker 1: And I want but I just want to save y'all's
Speaker 1: mentions for a second, because every time we talk about this, Andrew,
Speaker 1: you are wise to stay on social media, because every
Speaker 1: time we talk about this, people are.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, you know, y'all trying to get people to
Speaker 2: stay home and not vote.
Speaker 3: No, no, you're not opposite.
Speaker 1: We're saying get out there and vote, and they're saying
Speaker 1: vote best in our vote. And on the other side, Angela,
Speaker 1: because you get this a lot too. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: they say, you know, y'all are putting down this administration
Speaker 1: and the presidency. I think Angela, you say it best
Speaker 1: when you say, if not for us, then who can
Speaker 1: make demands of this political party that we have helped uphold.
Speaker 1: For the small margin of people who are Trump voters,
Speaker 1: who are Republican voters. They're one and the same at
Speaker 1: this point, who you know are filled with misinformation. Those
Speaker 1: people are not large enough who say, oh, you gotta
Speaker 1: see the light on the other side, There is no
Speaker 1: light on the other side. You have been bamboozle my friend.
Speaker 1: So this conversation is important enough to us that we're
Speaker 1: saying we are advocating for you. You often say this, Angela,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about black folks exclusively. I'm thinking about black folks.
Speaker 1: I understand that perspective, and we are saying this is
Speaker 1: what we demand of you because you are the person,
Speaker 1: or you are the party that is harm reduction. We
Speaker 1: are not advocates for this party. We don't really give
Speaker 1: a shit about parties we give. We care about what
Speaker 1: helps our people. How does it cause of the least
Speaker 1: harm for.
Speaker 4: That though, That is why I'm in favor of a
Speaker 4: strategy that says we can do both. I get that
Speaker 4: you're not going to get You can go after voters
Speaker 4: who you believe are gettable even though they have not
Speaker 4: traditionally been with you. And by the way, the go
Speaker 4: after is if in the messaging, it's largely on reproductive
Speaker 4: a woman's right to decide for herself about her body
Speaker 4: and it's IVF and those discrete set of issues. Now,
Speaker 4: when our agenda begins to start turning and resembling that
Speaker 4: of the Republican Party, then you've lost me at every
Speaker 4: single at every single turn. I think you can go
Speaker 4: after low hanging food on the other side, but you
Speaker 4: don't have to do it at the decapitation of picking
Speaker 4: marbles up that have rolled off or that have never
Speaker 4: been there and putting them on the table and investing
Speaker 4: in it over time. You can do both things. We're
Speaker 4: not dealing with a cashtrap campaign on our side to
Speaker 4: be dealing with.
Speaker 3: Me are dealing with cash strap people though, and I think.
Speaker 4: We're dealing there with idea strap people.
Speaker 3: No cash strap people too.
Speaker 8: I think to your point, going after people who don't
Speaker 8: who may not have much, but they do have their vote,
Speaker 8: we can figure out ways to strateig remind people of
Speaker 8: how powerful that is, even when you're down on your
Speaker 8: look on every other side, like going into empoverished communities
Speaker 8: and starting where Tips started the podcast today, did you
Speaker 8: know that childhood e b T is under attack in
Speaker 8: your state? That's the ad you runcause because what it
Speaker 8: does is going back to what Gary's doing. You're not
Speaker 8: just saying, so come vote for me. You're saying, call
Speaker 8: your governor first. And after you make that call and
Speaker 8: they don't do right by you, remember at the federal level,
Speaker 8: we will.
Speaker 3: We stand with you.
Speaker 4: They are running that ad because they know what's on
Speaker 4: the other side of it, which is the right and
Speaker 4: rapid response, ready to say this is the welfare state,
Speaker 4: and Democrats are going to I'm saying, this is what
Speaker 4: the debate is in the room. As we all know,
Speaker 4: they're making a calculation, do we lose the persuadable middle
Speaker 4: if we double down?
Speaker 3: Run you said, lead the kids out. Let me tell
Speaker 3: you to add I'm running.
Speaker 8: I would get a child or several kids who are
Speaker 8: diverse from the state of Mississippi. I will go right
Speaker 8: into the heart of Mississippi and tell and have them
Speaker 8: talk about how they can't afford to eat. Run what
Speaker 8: they ate for lunch that day, run run what they're
Speaker 8: eating for the week, talk about what actually is on
Speaker 8: their plate, and then run the ad saying that this
Speaker 8: governor said that this child does not tour, does not
Speaker 8: deserve a hot meal, and then show that this is
Speaker 8: what the federal government supported.
Speaker 3: Now you might not be able to overturn who.
Speaker 8: Is the city governor in the office, but you can
Speaker 8: certainly ensure that at the federal level they are held accountable.
Speaker 3: That is the ad because that is the truth.
Speaker 8: And even if they come back talking about a welfare state,
Speaker 8: the kid comes back and says, no, it's not a
Speaker 8: welfare state. But I'm a poor kid and I deserve
Speaker 8: to have my dreams fulfilled.
Speaker 4: I'm glad we likely.
Speaker 3: I'm a dream of word in here. Listen, amazing.
Speaker 4: No, we have this because we did this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is that, this is this has been built up.
Speaker 4: The problem is they consider it to be an anomaly
Speaker 4: and not a new strategy to wage war. Right, an
Speaker 4: anomaly that was you had a special that's not true.
Speaker 4: And we simply decided to see all of us and
Speaker 4: not just some.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of friend your own experience.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, like, this is why you have to
Speaker 3: have a diverse bench.
Speaker 1: Because you are frating candidates who think like how they
Speaker 1: were raised. Yes, this is my frustration. I want to
Speaker 1: play these sound bites. There's a white woman voter. Can
Speaker 1: we play the SoundBite from the white woman vote? You
Speaker 1: don't want to do we not want to. Let's play
Speaker 1: the soundway from the white woman voter. I'm a follow
Speaker 1: it up with the white man voter. Let's let's play
Speaker 1: that producer, Nick, Please.
Speaker 12: I did vote for McCain, I did vote for Romney
Speaker 12: into twenty sixteen, I ended up voting for Trump. I
Speaker 12: voted for him because I really kind of felt were
Speaker 12: connected to the Republican principles. The behavior concerned me. But
Speaker 12: to be quite honest with you, like I was a
Speaker 12: big Apprentice fan.
Speaker 3: Let's celebrity go to you a little. It did get
Speaker 3: to me looking back, now, do you regret that vote?
Speaker 3: One percent?
Speaker 1: I want to like, this is my point, this is
Speaker 1: this is my point. Katie has the privilege to treat
Speaker 1: this ship like it's a game because as a white woman,
Speaker 1: you are never you are never as impacted. I will
Speaker 1: say with est with reproductive rights. There is an issue now,
Speaker 1: but it's like we never had that privilege.
Speaker 2: This is life or death for us. You were Apprentice
Speaker 2: fan and that's why you vote.
Speaker 8: Around Facebook and apologize to my friends and family.
Speaker 2: But this is who the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: Is going after to be like, Katie, we want to
Speaker 3: talk to you.
Speaker 1: You're looking at Katie, we have an appeal. Now, I
Speaker 1: want to play the white man. Let's play the white man.
Speaker 1: It matter listen to the white man, Let's play him.
Speaker 3: I quit today.
Speaker 5: I identify as independent voter because I don't fit neatly
Speaker 5: into a particular ideological box. I have different thoughts and
Speaker 5: opinions on different issues. Some of them would be right
Speaker 5: of center, someone would be left of center. For example,
Speaker 5: I believe in support, you know, the second Men of
Speaker 5: the United States, although I do believe that there are
Speaker 5: certain classifications of weapons that we should not be allowed
Speaker 5: to have. I believe in the right of people to
Speaker 5: love and marry whomever they choose to love that should.
Speaker 5: I believe in bodily autonomy for women. So there's just
Speaker 5: a number of things I think, you know, when I
Speaker 5: look at the issues and I consider one by one
Speaker 5: in my thoughts and my beliefs, I just don't fit
Speaker 5: with necessarily one.
Speaker 4: Side or the other.
Speaker 5: And I think there are a lot of Americans out
Speaker 5: there like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I hate to break it to Texas Trade. You
Speaker 1: are a Democrat, my friend. Everything you just talked about
Speaker 1: those fall squarely. And so when I hear that, and
Speaker 1: I wonder, well, what was it that was so appealing
Speaker 1: about the Republican Party to you. And to quote the
Speaker 1: great American out of Florida who looks at the Republican
Speaker 1: Party and says, I'm not saying you were racist.
Speaker 2: But the races think you are racist.
Speaker 1: There is some reason then why this Republican Party they
Speaker 1: appeal to identity politics. That was something that was ascribed
Speaker 1: to us, but they appeal to these identity politics. I
Speaker 1: hear these two people and I'm like you, Angela, I'm frustrated.
Speaker 1: I'm angry because you are playing.
Speaker 8: I'm mad at Katie. I'm mad at Texas in Texas train.
Speaker 8: But it's like, get on the train because you're voter
Speaker 8: and you're not.
Speaker 4: If she comes along, I won't both of them, because
Speaker 4: I think we we talked about no, no, no. When
Speaker 4: she says she had to apologize to family and friends,
Speaker 4: I'm believing that she's got some family and friends who
Speaker 4: sit at the margin of impact negative impact that Trump
Speaker 4: caused right in that Republicans. We tried to tell you
Speaker 4: we did, but guess what, there's always room for redemption.
Speaker 4: We can't. We can't.
Speaker 3: She needed to talk to g We have.
Speaker 4: To wage it on the on today's war, and right
Speaker 4: now today we need as many people as we can bring.
Speaker 3: Under the table, and many people.
Speaker 4: We need to bring.
Speaker 3: This is Katie, this is the marble rolling around. That
Speaker 3: is good.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you, I don't want just the president.
Speaker 4: I don't want I don't I don't want just a
Speaker 4: Democrat holding down the White House. I want a democratic Congress.
Speaker 4: I want a democratic Senate. I want a president who
Speaker 4: will appoint justices who are in line with the mainstream
Speaker 4: of the American people. Of that. But all I'm saying
Speaker 4: is is that if we if this is only going
Speaker 4: to be about propping up Joe Biden, and much of
Speaker 4: these ads are going to be about that, right, most
Speaker 4: of that is going to be about it, then we
Speaker 4: are we are not putting out out on the ball
Speaker 4: of how do we get So this EBT program came
Speaker 4: out of COVID through democratically pushed legislation because they were
Speaker 4: trying to embody in the government it's ability to deal
Speaker 4: with the crisis that has been a crisis before COVID,
Speaker 4: and they used a good crisis. They used a crisis,
Speaker 4: as they say, don't let a good crisis go to
Speaker 4: waste to put in policies that they believe will advance
Speaker 4: the democratic agenda, but but mostly will help American people.
Speaker 4: Now it's no longer COVID in the way that it
Speaker 4: once was. They're trying to get this same policy EBT
Speaker 4: that one hundred and twenty as part of the fabric
Speaker 4: of what we provide to every American. Okay, but if
Speaker 4: you don't have a Congress that can move it and
Speaker 4: a president that can sign it, then what are we
Speaker 4: doing here? I agree with all of us at the
Speaker 4: long term war.
Speaker 3: No, I agree with all of us, all.
Speaker 4: Of us that because we all are in agreement on this,
Speaker 4: that the long term war has to be bringing more
Speaker 4: of our folks, paying and then and then delivering for
Speaker 4: them through the public.
Speaker 2: Is Katie get to you?
Speaker 3: K is not?
Speaker 1: I think Katie is not gettable? But do you think
Speaker 1: she's gettable?
Speaker 4: I think if she says she's gettable, she is not.
Speaker 2: Now why do you say she's not?
Speaker 3: I don't believe Katie?
Speaker 13: Ka?
Speaker 4: Guess what? We don't have to believe Kate.
Speaker 3: Yes we do.
Speaker 2: Are Katie and Karen gettable people?
Speaker 3: Not everybody else?
Speaker 4: Sorry? But if you had electricity and a hurricane was coming,
Speaker 4: and you have the opportunity to get a generator. Would
Speaker 4: you say, oh, but my lights have been on every
Speaker 4: other day, and so why would he go away? You
Speaker 4: don't make that decision. You say, I'm gonna get the
Speaker 4: generator for redundancy.
Speaker 3: Would if the generator is bro.
Speaker 4: Listen, We're all gonna go for redundancy. And all I'm
Speaker 4: saying is is we make a big mistake when we
Speaker 4: write off everybody because they made a for and we
Speaker 4: make an even worse choice when we decide that because
Speaker 4: a person hasn't shown the propensity to vote, not they haven't.
Speaker 4: You haven't delivered for them. They hang. Your agenda doesn't
Speaker 4: work for them. Not not that, but they haven't voted.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to invest any money in trying to
Speaker 4: turn them out.
Speaker 2: Both your hands and rains.
Speaker 8: Would you like to get the impression something I'm kicking
Speaker 8: you out.
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 8: If I really was kicking you out, that is true.
Speaker 8: Here is my point, Andrew. Your compassion in this moment
Speaker 8: is your Achilles hill.
Speaker 4: It's not it is.
Speaker 2: It is because you believe.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna win with this.
Speaker 8: You're doing the same thing that there's white consultants ay say,
Speaker 8: yes you are, because you.
Speaker 3: Watched this clip of this white one, roll a clip
Speaker 3: again to.
Speaker 12: I did vote for McCain, I did vote for Romney
Speaker 12: into twenty sixteen, I ended up voting for Trump. I
Speaker 12: voted for him because I really kind of felt more
Speaker 12: connected to the Republican principles. The behavior concerned me. But
Speaker 12: to be quite honest with you, like I was a
Speaker 12: big Apprentice fan, let's celebrity go to you, A little
Speaker 12: bit did get to me.
Speaker 3: Looking back, now, do you regret that vote?
Speaker 12: One hundred percent?
Speaker 2: She's smiling and laughing the whole time.
Speaker 8: Right Now, here's my argument I'm putting on my counselor hat.
Speaker 8: This woman did not start voting for Trump with the celebrity.
Speaker 8: She did not start with him just because he was
Speaker 8: the Apprentice. Her Republican ways preceded Donald Trump. She voted
Speaker 8: for Romney, Binders full of women. She said that she
Speaker 8: apologized on Facebook. She didn't go to the altar. This
Speaker 8: is not forgiven. She could be redeemed by God, she
Speaker 8: will not be redeemed by this party. I'm not asking
Speaker 8: her to identify as a Democrat. I'm asking for her
Speaker 8: to identify with her morals, to stand.
Speaker 3: With her sisters, regardless of race.
Speaker 8: And she cannot do that. She does not have that ability.
Speaker 8: She does not care. She in fact, probably only did
Speaker 8: this interview because she thought that it would get her
Speaker 8: attention because she likes celebrities. That she tried out for
Speaker 8: the Apprentice and didn't get selected. She was the apprentice
Speaker 8: on this program. Now, some people are redeemable, maybe even
Speaker 8: some people who look just like Katie, maybe some people
Speaker 8: on Katie Street. It is not Katie. And all I
Speaker 8: am trying to say is the more time we spend
Speaker 8: time trying to get Katie instead of Knesha and Keisha
Speaker 8: and Crystal and Kevin and KeAndre, We're going it.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm telling you. And I'm not.
Speaker 8: Saying that they don't deserve a hello when you walk
Speaker 8: down the street, but they do not deserve a dollar
Speaker 8: spit on any targeted social media posts.
Speaker 3: The doors of the church and I have.
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is I'm not a pastor or a priest,
Speaker 4: and I'm not trying to save her soul. Yeah, No
Speaker 4: I'm not. No, I'm not What I want is what
Speaker 4: I want is No, it ain't building, is not coming.
Speaker 4: It's winning an election. That's what this is about. No,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying by any means it is winnable. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying by any means, if what we are attempting
Speaker 4: to do is to convert souls when we ask people
Speaker 4: to vote, we will we will lose every election here
Speaker 4: to forth. People aren't going to to the polling place
Speaker 4: to be converted. That's not what they're there for. It's
Speaker 4: a transaction.
Speaker 3: She's not coming.
Speaker 4: I don't care about that woman. I don't If it's
Speaker 4: all about that one woman, then we are never going
Speaker 4: to win another election again. What we have to be
Speaker 4: about is how do we put the numbers together on
Speaker 4: the board that will get us a president, a House,
Speaker 4: and a Senate so that we can then move the
Speaker 4: policy that we got to move to make my family,
Speaker 4: your family, and the people who we care and love
Speaker 4: their lives better for the future. That that that that's
Speaker 4: all I'm oriented with. So whether or not I'm converting
Speaker 4: this woman, she wanted to be a celebrity and I
Speaker 4: high prentice and I don't care about that. That's not
Speaker 4: you don't have to care. I don't have to have
Speaker 4: agreement with you on every single issue for you to
Speaker 4: vote for me. I didn't go into rural areas of
Speaker 4: Florida asking for people to vote because I thought that
Speaker 4: they were going to agree with me on everything that
Speaker 4: I did. No, of course, I needed them to understand
Speaker 4: that by getting me, you're gonna get more of what
Speaker 4: works for you than under me than you will under
Speaker 4: the other guy.
Speaker 8: I guarantee you that's not where she was. Where she
Speaker 8: have to be because we have to be targeted. And
Speaker 8: that's the thing that.
Speaker 4: Strategy both and.
Speaker 8: Both and wasting money and then that money ends up
Speaker 8: being wasted on them and not targeting.
Speaker 4: And when you and when you have to make the choice,
Speaker 4: you put marbles on the table. As far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 4: And I'm not just saying that, it's because I've done it.
Speaker 3: You did. That's why I'm shocked by this.
Speaker 4: But I did them both. I went into I went
Speaker 4: into the most republican part of Florida. I went to
Speaker 4: the most republican precinct in the entire country twice three
Speaker 4: times on the campaign trail. Not because I thought I
Speaker 4: was going to convert the people living in that ultra
Speaker 4: right wing place. It's because all those places there are
Speaker 4: people who can still relate to our experience. What we're
Speaker 4: trying to do our story and even the third Ogree
Speaker 4: hook line single on every single major issue I want
Speaker 4: to move forward. They had enough to believe that I
Speaker 4: believed in it, and so they went and they casted
Speaker 4: a ballot for me.
Speaker 3: I think it's fine.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: Don't spend no ad money on it.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense for me to walk right past
Speaker 4: them casting the expersion that everybody who lives in that
Speaker 4: area believes that way, and that's why I shouldn't. I know,
Speaker 4: that's not what you're saying about Katie who.
Speaker 2: Well, now we are.
Speaker 4: Now all.
Speaker 1: We've gotten on that note, yes, yes, on that note.
Speaker 2: That was a bar.
Speaker 1: And when we come back on the other side of
Speaker 1: this break, we're gonna talk about people who dry, but
Speaker 1: more bars.
Speaker 3: But I love that. We're gonna keep it.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you'll leave us. We're taking a quick break.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be right back. The breaking news is our
Speaker 1: very own Angela Rye is the executive producer of the Crossover.
Speaker 1: It's still available to see on the on the sp
Speaker 1: N so people can still watch it, and it was
Speaker 1: just nominated for not one, not two, but three Sports Emmys.
Speaker 1: Though analysis just came out this week.
Speaker 2: So can we raise the glass?
Speaker 3: Angela, congrats.
Speaker 8: I want to shout out Julian Gooden, who is an
Speaker 8: extraordinary director. If y'all don't know about Julian, you will
Speaker 8: very soon. This is not gonna be his first sports hope.
Speaker 8: I'm naming it and claiming nomination. So he is fantastic. Julian,
Speaker 8: thank you for letting me be involved. It was an
Speaker 8: amazing project celebrating the fifty anniversary hip hop and its
Speaker 8: intersection with sports.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious because I feel like I said, at
Speaker 1: the intersection of sports and hip hop, and you didn't ask.
Speaker 3: Me keys and participate. Why you didn't do that?
Speaker 2: I Part two, the sequel, Part two Anniversary, the prequel.
Speaker 2: I can participate there and.
Speaker 3: You're participating now now.
Speaker 1: Yes, people, Native Lampod talks about sports every week. Holler
Speaker 1: at us, we need to be a part of that.
Speaker 1: Nominated man, But honestly, seriously, Angela, congratulations. I think it's
Speaker 1: amazing that you were nominated for three Emmys, and I
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 3: You are all three of us.
Speaker 1: I think you're such hip hop heads, but you constantly
Speaker 1: when Angela host Native Lampid, y'all hear so many hip
Speaker 1: hop puns like that is your lane and I love
Speaker 1: to see it. So congrats, And you're one of the
Speaker 1: most supportive people, not just for our friendship group, for
Speaker 1: for every common threat of friendships that we have. So
Speaker 1: I'm delighted to see you. Can I go with you
Speaker 1: to the ceremony?
Speaker 3: Is that, yes, the like have a plus one. Yes,
Speaker 3: let's love to have.
Speaker 2: A whole entourage.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go in with a whole entourage. Yes, So anyway,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have fresh off the wires, folks, Antoni a
Speaker 1: three time Immy nominee. If you are an Emmy voter
Speaker 1: for sports documentaries, we expect Antel will be a three
Speaker 1: time winner the Crossover. It's available on ESPN now, So
Speaker 1: truly congratulations. But in all honesty, that is.
Speaker 2: Not the only reason exactly that we're talking about hip hop.
Speaker 1: The other news coming out of the hip hop community
Speaker 1: is this beef with Kendrick. I don't know if Kendrick's
Speaker 1: really in the beef, but J Cole okay, well he
Speaker 1: I haven't heard him respond to.
Speaker 4: J Coleyrick started it.
Speaker 1: But I mean the apology, respond to the apology. Let
Speaker 1: me not confuse people. Angela, can you break down and
Speaker 1: explain to the viewers, because you probably have a better
Speaker 1: understanding of all this I do.
Speaker 8: So what I think the data part is. Folks know
Speaker 8: that Kendrick was featured on a future metro Boomer record
Speaker 8: where he took a little jab at J Cole and
Speaker 8: Drake and he basically said it's not top three, it's
Speaker 8: not me and made it really really clear. J Cole
Speaker 8: responded in Seven Minute Drill, I actually have Kendrick and
Speaker 8: J Cole in my top five. And I was actually
Speaker 8: surprised by the quality of J Cole's verse. He started
Speaker 8: going in on Kendrick's albums, and I thought that he
Speaker 8: was not correct when he said that you're second. I
Speaker 8: quote for my church folks, your second ship put niggas
Speaker 8: to sleep, but they gassed it and that is to.
Speaker 3: Pimp a butterfly. And I'm sorry. You do know that?
Speaker 3: All right is our anthem for all things?
Speaker 8: Yeah, like, what are we talking about? So I think
Speaker 8: for me, I'm like, I don't know that that's accurate.
Speaker 8: So j oh my theory of the case is as
Speaker 8: dope as he is. He rushed to put out seven
Speaker 8: Minute Drill. The EP is dope. This is I think
Speaker 8: the worst track on seven Minute Drill, and I don't
Speaker 8: think it was that good. So I think that's why
Speaker 8: he apologized.
Speaker 1: Well, before we get into it, I want to hear
Speaker 1: the apology because in the apology I thought there was
Speaker 1: a resonating message there that we should talk about.
Speaker 2: So let's hear the apology and we'll talk about it one.
Speaker 13: I know my heart, you know what I mean, and like,
Speaker 13: I know how I feel about my peers, these two
Speaker 13: niggas that I've just been blessed to even stand beside
Speaker 13: in this game, let alone chase chase their greatness, right,
Speaker 13: So I felt conflicted because I'm like, bro, I know
Speaker 13: I don't really feel no way, but the.
Speaker 4: World want to see blood.
Speaker 13: I don't know if y'all can feel that, but the
Speaker 13: world want.
Speaker 4: To see blood.
Speaker 13: So I say all of that to say, in my
Speaker 13: spirit of trying to like get this music out, I
Speaker 13: ain't gonna lie to y'all. I moved in a way
Speaker 13: that was that I feel spiritually feel bad on me,
Speaker 13: like like I try to like jab my kick back
Speaker 13: and try to keep it friendly. But at the end
Speaker 13: of the day, when I listen to it and when
Speaker 13: it comes out and I see the talk that don't
Speaker 13: sit right with my spirit, that makes me feel that
Speaker 13: shit disrupts my piece. So what I want to say
Speaker 13: right here tonight is in the midst of me doing
Speaker 13: that and and that shit trying to find a little
Speaker 13: angle and downplay this, this catalog in his greatness, I
Speaker 13: want to say, right now tonight, how many people think
Speaker 13: Kendrick Lamar is one of the greatest mother of auch
Speaker 13: of trust, a microphone.
Speaker 1: Best coach, best I really I so to me, the
Speaker 1: thing that stood out to me was he said the
Speaker 1: world wants blood, and I think that is so true.
Speaker 1: I think that we there is a coalition of folks
Speaker 1: who benefit when we wore with each other. I think
Speaker 1: hip hop has always been about social justice and about
Speaker 1: what's reflecting what's going on, and then somewhere in the
Speaker 1: commercialization of it, it does seem like it's about you know,
Speaker 1: how much money I got, what kind of car I'm driving?
Speaker 1: And I think I look at what's going on with
Speaker 1: book bands and everything happening in the country, and I
Speaker 1: considered J Cole more of a conscious rapper. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it was Kendrick and Kendrick. Look, we could do our
Speaker 1: top five. I mean I think Kendrick is definitely up there,
Speaker 1: and so I hate to see people like this benefit
Speaker 1: the spefing right.
Speaker 3: Like as much.
Speaker 8: As you say rap is about social justice and all
Speaker 8: of it also is about flossing, and it.
Speaker 2: Is ast about beef, and it's always been.
Speaker 3: It has always been.
Speaker 8: The first time it was ever taken that I know
Speaker 8: of where it has ever been taken seriously to the
Speaker 8: point of death is with Biggie and Pop.
Speaker 3: And I think it.
Speaker 8: Was interesting to me as conscious as he is, even
Speaker 8: if it was figuratively speaking j Cole referencing heat under
Speaker 8: the seat and.
Speaker 3: Body bag body bag like, that's to me taking it
Speaker 3: too far.
Speaker 1: So I do because I think they are unspoken rules
Speaker 1: about what's too far in a rap.
Speaker 4: I mean he got up there and basically said he
Speaker 4: loves it. Maybe maybe that he said all reflect as
Speaker 4: I to get this out, I took on two dudes
Speaker 4: who you know, I'm blessed to stand next. Well, maybe not.
Speaker 2: He offered contrition.
Speaker 4: It wasn't just condition, rather set an example for how
Speaker 4: you walk back from a public beef, whether you win, lose,
Speaker 4: or draw. He was in the he was in it.
Speaker 4: They were in the mix against you know, each other
Speaker 4: and Drake and an't said anything.
Speaker 8: But that's if Drake don't say anything.
Speaker 4: He said something. I hope he doubles down on what
Speaker 4: we just saw.
Speaker 8: Well, good luck with that, Bishop of the Redemptive Sheep
Speaker 8: Missionary Church.
Speaker 4: It's easy to be a big person when you're big,
Speaker 4: but I.
Speaker 3: Think a big guy is big. But also, Drake to
Speaker 3: me is pop wrap.
Speaker 8: Drake to me is not hip hop, like Drake is
Speaker 8: the dude you know, is the light skinned dude that
Speaker 8: collected all the bras thrown at him at his concerts.
Speaker 4: Look, it's a place.
Speaker 3: Or place for Drake hip hop.
Speaker 1: There is a place for Drake. I agree with that
Speaker 1: he spoke to it. We are I think we're respectfully
Speaker 1: a little older, and I think there was some Drake
Speaker 1: songs me too. But I think I think Drake spoke
Speaker 1: that like Insecure Each Crowd, the HBO series Insecurance.
Speaker 8: I think that you could be burn a boy from
Speaker 8: the continent and still be more happish.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I think if we're talking about like
Speaker 1: unspoken rules about what goes too far, the hardest that
Speaker 1: came out with the very first stance, that was that's
Speaker 1: why fo by.
Speaker 8: That was was Beggie.
Speaker 2: I mean when you heard that so oft and then cool,
Speaker 2: mold and l O.
Speaker 1: Like since hip hop's inception, there's always been rap beef
Speaker 1: rap battles, but it was really about Even entertainer does
Speaker 1: a great what on that on Kings of Comedy where
Speaker 1: he talks about the battles were different, and I just think,
Speaker 1: now it's it's gotten.
Speaker 2: I don't hae.
Speaker 1: This sound like one of those people get off my lunch,
Speaker 1: But it's getting away from different.
Speaker 4: Is that you had this guy come out j Cole
Speaker 4: and do a public meakopa in that way, right, I.
Speaker 2: Love that I was innovative.
Speaker 4: Actually we hadn't seen it can delve even deeper, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, are these beas go on? That's when there's
Speaker 4: a heat, That's when it gets heat under it. Folks
Speaker 4: from this crewe because it's not the it's never the
Speaker 4: artist that I'm worried about. I mean Biggie and Tupac.
Speaker 4: That happened at the extreme, but there were I would
Speaker 4: count them hundreds of bodies between East and West Coast
Speaker 4: that probably fell before those two guys fell, motivated and
Speaker 4: hyped up by that by the same music, right, and
Speaker 4: so all I'm saying is is we got to get
Speaker 4: a brother, salute wind, lose a drawer. That's that's the
Speaker 4: example that we ought to be seeing set.
Speaker 3: You, but you really lost one. But the EP is good.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the EP.
Speaker 1: And for those of you who are listening not watching,
Speaker 1: Angela is making all the faces.
Speaker 3: So if I love Jacob, I love that he did
Speaker 3: it at Dreamville.
Speaker 8: I believe that he did this apology because he lost well.
Speaker 1: I believe hip hop always highlighted social justice issues from
Speaker 1: n w A, fuck the.
Speaker 3: Police to self destruction.
Speaker 1: Remember that, Yeah, And so I would love to see
Speaker 1: more songs come out to highlight that. And I know
Speaker 1: we talk about a lot on this show. We can
Speaker 1: talk about very high level intellectual discourse about what's happening
Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill and foreign policy, and we can also
Speaker 1: discourse about you know, who's our top five and brat beef.
Speaker 1: So I would say to the folks, find you a
Speaker 1: crew who can do both.
Speaker 2: And that's what you got a Native.
Speaker 3: The next time he go out and apologize, he say,
Speaker 3: and please remember the vote.
Speaker 8: That's what I would like that very true, These platforms
Speaker 8: for social justice and our collective advancement.
Speaker 3: At some point.
Speaker 1: We don't have time now, but at some point I
Speaker 1: think there is a discussion about some of these like
Speaker 1: fifty plus year old hip hop stars who are like
Speaker 1: pioneers who have shifted to a different political ideology, Like
Speaker 1: I want nineteen ninety one ice Cube to meet twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four ice Cube.
Speaker 2: How that's changed. There's something to that. I don't know what.
Speaker 4: Love to visit our conversation on power.
Speaker 8: The show or power power, dynastic power, the ability to
Speaker 8: achieve purpose or yeah use thereof man yeah power.
Speaker 1: Well, if you guys want a ten hour Native Land pod,
Speaker 1: we are always up for that.
Speaker 2: We because the conversation continues even after we're off there evidence.
Speaker 1: Now that we have gone through the rap beefs a
Speaker 1: rat bars, it is now time for calls to action.
Speaker 1: I y'all always try to make me go first, So
Speaker 1: now I'm not going first.
Speaker 2: He wants to go first.
Speaker 3: I can't go first. Poppy Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: Were just talking about can you now pocket?
Speaker 13: No?
Speaker 8: No, I can't pop it or no it was his
Speaker 8: stay on earlier appear here's oh yeah.
Speaker 3: My call to action is for you all.
Speaker 4: Two.
Speaker 3: I think this is my camera for you all.
Speaker 8: To please send in your questions, to please send in
Speaker 8: your comments.
Speaker 3: We like to stay engaged with you all. If you
Speaker 3: all disagree.
Speaker 8: With us today on who won the Kendrick versus j
Speaker 8: Paul so what, you can still share it.
Speaker 3: But so what, go vote, Go.
Speaker 1: Vote on who is the best lyricist, or vote in
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Speaker 14: Game citizens like yuh big shout out to Jasmine Bernie Clark,
Speaker 14: who is the new name director State director for Biden
Speaker 14: in the state of Florida.
Speaker 4: And I call her out particularly because one she loves
Speaker 4: all the listeners to the show, but comes out of
Speaker 4: the tradition of community organizing and led one of the
Speaker 4: most successful community organ and groups in the state of
Speaker 4: Florida and got lifted into the political side. And the
Speaker 4: reason why I want to note this is a lot
Speaker 4: of times we look over the folks who are doing
Speaker 4: the laborious work of every day organizing inside and outside
Speaker 4: of elections campaigns could do a hell of a lot
Speaker 4: better for themselves if they actually stopped engaging these quote
Speaker 4: you know, strategists from season to season and get in,
Speaker 4: you know with folks who are really on the ground,
Speaker 4: know what they're doing, have relationship with community and can
Speaker 4: influence the culture of the campaign, so that the debate
Speaker 4: we had earlier about whether you pick marbles up or
Speaker 4: deal with the ones on the table, it's not a
Speaker 4: debate anymore. It's all of the above. And I think
Speaker 4: that that's what she's going to advance. So if you're
Speaker 4: in the state of Florida and you want to get
Speaker 4: involved in the campaign, reach out to them. We got
Speaker 4: a good leader there, somebody we can all stand behind.
Speaker 1: I love that, and I think that's so true about
Speaker 1: not you know, people who want to work in policies,
Speaker 1: not through the principle. There are so many and no
Speaker 1: matter I say, no matter what career you want to pursue,
Speaker 1: work on a campaign, there's always too much work, not enough.
Speaker 4: People work in the community.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, that's true. And work in the community. Angela,
Speaker 1: you do a really good job with like teaching young
Speaker 1: women with your professional development program.
Speaker 3: Young women and young men.
Speaker 2: I didn't know young.
Speaker 3: Men are in it.
Speaker 12: Oh.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: Angela every year has a cohort of folks every semester. Semester,
Speaker 1: that's our call to action.
Speaker 8: You know who hasn't given theirs yet? It's Tiffany, Yes, me,
Speaker 8: my actions, my call to action.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a damper, but my call
Speaker 1: to action is I feel really down sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't know just everything happening in the world, and.
Speaker 2: I just get heavy.
Speaker 1: Uh, And I can feel really sad, and I imagine
Speaker 1: maybe a lot of our listeners do too, just feelings
Speaker 1: of isolation or helplessness, you know, and you look at
Speaker 1: what's happening in Gaza and on social media, it's all
Speaker 1: this bad news. And since being with you guys today,
Speaker 1: but also last night Andrew and I went to dinner,
Speaker 1: Angela rolled up on us. She'll drop that footago some
Speaker 1: but I just my spirits have been lifted. It's so fun.
Speaker 1: And this recording today, you guys were informing me. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: these are things that I didn't know, and it lifted
Speaker 1: my spirit. So my call to action is when you
Speaker 1: feel down, do not isolate. Go be around people, because
Speaker 1: we are not created to be islands. It really does
Speaker 1: lift our spirits and you are not alone and feeling down.
Speaker 1: I completely understand it, and that's why I want to
Speaker 1: be transparent in the times that I feel heavy, heavy hearted,
Speaker 1: and so for anybody who feels that way, go be
Speaker 1: in community, you know, go see people. And if you
Speaker 1: don't have good close personal friends, go create that and
Speaker 1: volunteer work. And you know, if you do things out
Speaker 1: of love and not to receive love, love finds you.
Speaker 1: So I want to encourage people to get out there
Speaker 1: and do that and be in community as best you can.
Speaker 1: And if you ever feel truly lonely, welcome home, y'all,
Speaker 1: because you're never.
Speaker 8: A welcome home Toatie from Andrew well, I think welcome
Speaker 8: a proper note. She has to go back and get
Speaker 8: that vote he throughout what that F bomb is going
Speaker 8: to be bleeped out.
Speaker 1: Well beyond Katie. If you are if you are down,
Speaker 1: you are always welcome here. So and if you want
Speaker 1: to get on camera and be seen, then, like Angela said,
Speaker 1: hop on camera. Send us your question or your comments,
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