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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is the production of iHeart Radio and

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Speaker 2: Welcome Home, y'all is Welcome Home.

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Speaker 1: This is episode fourteen of Native Land Pod, where we

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Speaker 1: give you our breakdown of all things politics and culture,

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Speaker 1: but most importantly, we give it to you straight, no chaser.

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Speaker 1: We are your host, Tiffany Cross, Angela Rye, and Andrew

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Speaker 1: Gillam and I got to kick it off with a

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Speaker 1: question before we get into anything, Angela, who's the black sheet?

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Speaker 3: Where's the black sheet sheet?

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Speaker 4: Here's here's the blessing, but here's the black sheep? Would

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Speaker 4: be third person, Andrew, It's just arrogant third person, Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: Here's the way, Donald, You Donald, you.

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Speaker 3: Can point and be like, here's the.

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Speaker 4: Black here's the blessed. Okay, mi's the moment, then let's go.

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Speaker 1: The point of this was Andrew, everybody is wearing a

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Speaker 1: black sheet T shirt.

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Speaker 3: And he tried to redefine.

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Speaker 1: We gave a conversation political debates, not political black sheep?

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Speaker 2: A loner? Is itative? Where do we land on that?

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Speaker 3: Andrew reclaimed it.

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Speaker 4: I reclaim it. I mean what I mean I think

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Speaker 4: because we're not like everybody else?

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Speaker 3: Are you close?

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Speaker 4: You strike out that you're different, that you are set apart,

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Speaker 4: that more people are black sheep than not.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't have giving David from the Bible.

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Speaker 4: A little bit, yeah, a little bit, a little bit,

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Speaker 4: all right, so you know, but you can help me

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Speaker 4: work to redefine this thing. And I'm sort of at

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Speaker 4: the nascent level. We had a full I'm talking about

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Speaker 4: the listeners.

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Speaker 3: Is this your brand or brand?

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Speaker 4: And I won't be calling on my brand right now,

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Speaker 4: but if you made this shirt.

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Speaker 3: Where's the black sheep? All right right across? Alrighty, guys,

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Speaker 3: you can get with that.

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Speaker 4: You can get with this.

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Speaker 2: Where you can get with that, you can.

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Speaker 3: Get with that because this is where it's at. We

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Speaker 3: don't get copyright infringement.

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Speaker 4: Oh it's all good.

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Speaker 2: Welcome home, everybody.

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Speaker 1: Just want to say, stay tuned to the end of

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Speaker 1: this podcast because we happen to be well.

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Speaker 2: I did that on purpose.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for the end of this podcast because we

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Speaker 1: happen to be seated among Emmy nominee.

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Speaker 2: But stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: Nobody say anything. We'll get into that later. Welcome home, everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful day in the Big Apple and we're together.

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Speaker 1: So let me tell you where the train is taking

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Speaker 1: you today.

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Speaker 2: No thanks, number nine on the New York.

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Speaker 3: We got to cut it out.

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Speaker 1: I didn't actually fall off the track because no thanks.

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Speaker 1: That is what nearly half the Republican governors in this

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Speaker 1: country are saying, a program to feed hungry kids. Well,

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Speaker 1: some of them are saying, pick it up, pick it up,

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Speaker 1: pick it up. So we're going to get into that

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Speaker 1: a little later. And I have a question for the

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Speaker 1: audience that I want you to answer later. If a

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Speaker 1: political ad were made for you, Taylor made for you,

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Speaker 1: what does that look like?

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Speaker 2: What issues would they speak to?

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that. I want to hear

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Speaker 1: you guys talk about that too. And how many of

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Speaker 1: you all are still down with your day ones? I

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Speaker 1: feel like we're day ones. We've been friends a long time.

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Speaker 1: We're still rocking with the same crew for decades. So

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Speaker 1: I kind of, honestly, I kind of attitude no new friends,

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Speaker 1: but I do a little bit.

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Speaker 5: You don't.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm warm to people, but it's hard for you

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Speaker 1: and I have known each other for a long time.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to build that same intimacy with somebody who

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Speaker 1: but it looks different. But why I'm asking that is

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Speaker 1: because I wonder if the Democratic Party builds the same way.

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Speaker 3: They definitely don't if he doesn't either, I want to

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Speaker 3: have that argument later. Okay, fine, fine, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I'll try to say no new friends, but I kind

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Speaker 1: of like, do you want to be my best friend?

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Speaker 2: And that is maybe true?

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Speaker 3: Where did you grow?

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Speaker 6: What shoes?

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Speaker 3: You're new friends than she is.

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Speaker 1: But I appreciate angel is no new friends because I

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Speaker 4: She embraces that's true.

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Speaker 1: You do well, I'll tell you I definitely don't want

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Speaker 1: it's my new friend. And that's he's politically homeless Republicans

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Speaker 1: talking about. So we're gonna the point is, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get into that. It was the Democrats say no new

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Speaker 2: We're going to see.

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Speaker 1: But lastly, I want to say this, guys, don't reject

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Speaker 1: me or make records to disrespect me waiting or indirectly.

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Speaker 3: That's a bar.

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Speaker 2: That's a bar.

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Speaker 4: That is a bar. Who do you take it from?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not going to say I want the viewers.

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Speaker 1: I want our audience to drop a comment and let

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Speaker 1: me know finish that bar. For me if you can,

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Speaker 1: because we're going to get into the rap beefs the

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Speaker 1: latest with j Cole and Kendrick Lamar.

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Speaker 2: But what does that have to do with politics? We'll

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Speaker 2: tell you.

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Speaker 1: So stay tuned to the end of the podcast, and

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Speaker 1: all right to my producer Nick, make like a DJ

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Speaker 1: Collin and drop that beat.

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Speaker 3: Oh major key.

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Speaker 1: On a more serious note, honestly, imagine somebody offering you

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Speaker 1: two point five billion dollars to feed.

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Speaker 2: Food and secure children.

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Speaker 1: So, and if they are offering you this and your

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Speaker 1: either one. That's what half the Republican governors are saying

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Speaker 1: to this program. So let me just explain to the

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Speaker 1: audience before we get into this. So Congress passed a

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Speaker 1: new bipartisan two point five billion dollar program. Can we

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Speaker 1: the program is known as Summer EBT, and the program

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Speaker 1: will provide families about forty dollars a month per child

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Speaker 1: every Democratic governor will distribute these grocery cards this summer,

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Speaker 1: but half the Republican governors are saying no. And these

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Speaker 1: about ten million children. So that's a really serious thing

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Speaker 1: for hungry kids. We're talking about this because this is

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Speaker 2: Let's hear what he has to say about the program.

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Speaker 7: We already have programs to provide food for people below

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Speaker 7: a certain income. We already have that. Also, keep in

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Speaker 7: mind we have food banks galore. At some point we

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Speaker 7: must end these pandemic programs. The pandemic is over all, right.

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Speaker 1: That was a Republican governor of South Carolina, Henri Meckmaster.

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Speaker 2: I'm really interested in you guys about this. Angela.

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Speaker 1: You have a unique lens because you worked on Congress,

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Speaker 1: so you can speak to how this is passed by

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Speaker 1: being a locally elected official. This is very frustrating because

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Speaker 1: and it's like they don't make the connection with the

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I'll let Angela take it from the

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Speaker 4: federal but real quick, the governor who was just speaking,

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Speaker 4: governorment masters his state. What has a twelve percent or

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Speaker 4: so rate of children in poverty? What a luxury that

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Speaker 4: not families, but children go without food, many children. And

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Speaker 4: I've come to experience this. I mean I was one

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Speaker 4: of those kids who was on free lunch when I

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Speaker 4: your meal until you come back. To school the next

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Speaker 4: day and over the weekend. All across this country, millions

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Speaker 4: And I'm sorry, y'all. I believe this is true in Gaza,

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Speaker 1: It's more than a right, it's a human need. It's

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Speaker 1: that's just simply disagree and it's not doing our kids

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Speaker 1: any good. Governor Jim Allen was confronted by children who said,

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Speaker 1: you know, over the summer, I don't eat sometimes because

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Speaker 1: I don't get these meals, Angela, And thankfully.

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Speaker 2: He reversed course.

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Speaker 1: But why does it take children like why do we

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Speaker 1: have to put these children out to advocate to these governors,

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Speaker 1: so do just what's right?

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Speaker 8: I think, you know, I feel like we're in a

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Speaker 8: time where human beings are lacking conscience to score political points.

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Speaker 8: And I think that that has always been the case,

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Speaker 8: but it's even greater now. I was looking at the

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Speaker 8: data for the Electronic Benefit Transfer for the summer program,

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Speaker 8: and five of the poorest states in the country, the

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Speaker 8: states with the highest poverty rates, have said no to

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Speaker 8: this program. That's Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, which is the poorest, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 8: and Texas. And that tells you how morally depraved, frankly,

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Speaker 8: these governors are, especially when you look at kids.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about not a lot of money.

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Speaker 8: It's forty dollars a month supplementation for these kids and

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Speaker 8: one hundred and twenty dollars for the whole summer.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 8: Why would you say no to that type of support?

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Speaker 8: And then here's the worst part. They're saying that they

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Speaker 8: don't support handouts. They support handouts. It just depends on

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Speaker 8: whose hand is out right.

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Speaker 2: Corporations for one, Yeah, and.

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Speaker 4: You don't they put their own they have to put

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Speaker 4: it in their own states when the money's coming down

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Speaker 4: to do what they wanted to do right bridge money.

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Speaker 4: Remember how all them folks voted against Biden's legislation then

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Speaker 4: showed up at ribbon cuttings and taking credit. Their donors

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Speaker 4: public infrastructure. I just want to say, real quick.

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Speaker 8: Have any place like they don't have to decide what

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Speaker 8: family they're born into, but you're gonna punish the kids completely.

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Speaker 4: I just to correct myself South Carolina, I said twelve

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Speaker 4: But those are the kinds of things that they reach for.

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Speaker 8: Them, but also not just shame, but if you live

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Welcome home, everybody, Welcome back to the Native lampod.

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Speaker 1: So I want to throw out an interesting number of

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Speaker 2: Two billion this year.

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Speaker 1: Now, that's according to eMarketer, that's a market research company,

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Speaker 1: And for context, that's nearly three times what it was

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Speaker 1: But I'm curious from you guys one where are see

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Speaker 2: Where are these ads being placed?

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Speaker 1: And to have any of us ever really been swayed

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Speaker 1: by a political ad, Andrew, you've cut political ads? So

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Speaker 1: curious even the decision to go negative an attack on

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Speaker 2: People took advantage of that.

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Speaker 1: One particular ad that really set the tone, I think

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Speaker 1: for a lot of Black Americans, Yes, was the Willy

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Speaker 1: And so for our viewers who are listening and not watching,

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Speaker 9: Bush and Doucaca's Son crime. Bush supports the death penalty

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Speaker 9: for first degree murderers. Doucacas not only opposes the death penalty,

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Speaker 9: he allowed first degree murderers to have weekend passes from prison.

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Speaker 9: One was Willie Horton, who murdered a boy and a robbery,

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Speaker 1: Obviously that crime is grotesque, but to put this black

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Speaker 1: George a w bish like tripled spending he built.

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Speaker 4: Well, when you triple spending, you deserve to have your name.

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Speaker 1: Yes, was building prisons and put a lot of money,

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Speaker 4: But I helped to help to create the industrial complex.

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Speaker 2: That we have, the president industrial complex. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: But I want to hear from you guys because there

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Speaker 2: To digital to gaming. So where are we seeing these ads?

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Speaker 1: And aren't what we come to a point where political

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Speaker 4: Real quick on the where are we seeing these I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but let me I mean, the political space is

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Speaker 4: They weren't coming from, you know, the opposition, saying I

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Speaker 4: wonder what is Andrew Gilman have to say about what

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned because we're gonna play this ad, But I

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Speaker 1: I apologize to the viewers have to suffer through this,

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Speaker 2: This was DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis, Republican illuminatorial candidate in Florida in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 10: Everyone knows my husband, Ron DeSantis is endorsed by President Trump,

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Speaker 10: but he's also an amazing dad. Ron loves playing with

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Speaker 4: Then mister Trump said you're fired. I love that part.

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Speaker 3: He's teaching Madison to talk make.

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Speaker 4: America great again.

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Speaker 10: People say Ron's all Trump, but he is so much.

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Speaker 2: I just thought you should.

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Speaker 4: Know Ron DeSantis for governor.

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Speaker 4: you know, real committed parents deciding to sit their children

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Speaker 4: down in the middle of the most hotly contested political

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Speaker 4: debate build a wall or not build a wall, and say, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're building that wall. Trump now a convicted or accused

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Speaker 4: and certainly found guilty libel of molesting and sexually arresting women.

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Speaker 4: We all know what he did when he was president.

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Speaker 4: I mean, but this.

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Speaker 2: After grab them by the you know what.

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Speaker 4: There isn't even a Democrat I want to sit down

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Speaker 4: with with my children and a political ad and I

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Speaker 4: will say that against you know, but that's how you

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Speaker 4: feel about your family. You want to protect them as

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Speaker 4: best you can, as best you can, certainly in a

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Speaker 4: hot political debate, and to sit down with your kids

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Speaker 4: in the middle of a hateful ad and a hateful

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Speaker 4: debate around building a wall or not, to me, is

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Speaker 4: just it's wild. I saw it. I thought it was

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Speaker 4: disgusting when I saw it. I think it'sscussing now. Well.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, though, I feel like sometimes these ads

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Speaker 1: don't speak to us.

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Speaker 2: I feel like people.

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Speaker 1: I feel like they do kind of run these ads

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Speaker 1: with majority white audiences like they're trying to speak to them,

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Speaker 1: and I do. I think about like what if, like

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Speaker 1: if we wanted to hear from somebody, Like what would

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Speaker 1: ads look like if they truly targeted multi generational black

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Speaker 1: voters the same way they do white voters.

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Speaker 8: I'm telling you one thing, it ain't gonna sound like

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Speaker 8: a Popeye's commercial. That's what's irritating to me. Like entering

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Speaker 8: when it gets close to election time, it's so frustrating.

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Speaker 3: It's like, let's break out the gospel boir be in

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Speaker 3: the cookout.

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Speaker 8: It is so pejorative and typical, and it's it is

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Speaker 8: really really frustrating. I think that there are ways that

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Speaker 8: ads can and should be motivational. I think that it

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Speaker 8: doesn't need to look like indoctrination like what we just

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Speaker 8: saw with Rhonda Santa Sent's kids.

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Speaker 3: It also doesn't need to look like what was her name,

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Speaker 3: I'm not a witch?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

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Speaker 3: So weird.

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Speaker 8: She's so Christine O'donnald but like it's it was just

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Speaker 8: so bizarre. Like now, when people think of political ads,

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Speaker 8: I think they immediately think of I am not a witch.

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Speaker 8: But there are several places where people can be reached.

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Speaker 8: I think a lot of us spend too much time

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Speaker 8: on social media. They have political ads they run on

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Speaker 8: there now, and they aren't just targeted to supporters.

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Speaker 3: It's people that you don't agree with.

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Speaker 8: YouTube runs a ton of ads, Streamers, and if certainly podcasts,

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Speaker 8: People when they tune into this podcast will hear political ads.

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Speaker 8: This moment where we're taking to review political ads is

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Speaker 8: not that. But to that point, I think that going

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Speaker 8: back to this Willie Horton ad with h W Bish,

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Speaker 8: it's fascinating because it really began I think my exposure

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Speaker 8: to what the Boogeyman strategy was all about. Republicans typically

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Speaker 8: use and approach in political spaces and debates at the

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Speaker 8: state of the Union. Now that that has become call

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Speaker 8: and response where they will find someone where they seen

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Speaker 8: the Democratic Party or their opponent fail and hold that

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Speaker 8: person out as the example of what politics will look

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Speaker 8: like under this person's tenure and under their watch. So

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Speaker 8: Willie Horton, what I didn't realize was Michael Ducaccus had

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Speaker 8: actually supported a furlough policy. He pushed it while he

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Speaker 8: was governor, and it actually was a law that was

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Speaker 8: passed by a Republican governor in nineteen seventy two. And

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Speaker 8: I never the thing wasn't a life update about Willy Horton.

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Speaker 8: I was just like, oh my god, we would have

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Speaker 8: never known that. And even when you hear Willy Horton,

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Speaker 8: you immediately think about Michael Ducacus. That is the successful

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Speaker 8: implementation of a boogeyman strategy. We typically don't play that

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Speaker 8: way Progressives, black folks and the Democratic Party doesn't play

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Speaker 8: that way.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's to our own detriment.

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Speaker 8: This is we often sit on the opposite side of

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Speaker 8: folks who have several boogeymen, several like you know, Donald

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Speaker 8: Trump's boogeyman is how many people died from COVID in

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Speaker 8: the United States.

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Speaker 3: Why he waited to respond to the pandemic.

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Speaker 8: Right, the people who borrowed PPP money and didn't pay

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Speaker 8: it back and it was fraudulent. They were following their leader.

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Speaker 8: Even if they were black folks or brown folks, they

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Speaker 8: were following their leader.

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Speaker 3: They're thinking, I can be evincible.

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Speaker 8: This man is stolen from a gazillion people, gone bankrupt,

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Speaker 8: did all kinds of things.

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Speaker 3: I can follow my leader.

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Speaker 8: He should be a boogeyman. The people that followed his

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Speaker 8: model should be boogeyman. You know, he is the Boogeyman

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Speaker 8: of the Central Park five. We don't ever take that approach.

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Speaker 8: We try to go hi, Michelle Obama.

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Speaker 3: We need to be low, low, low to the flow.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, ye. And it's not because we're trying to

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Speaker 3: be mean or evil.

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Speaker 8: It's because there are a gazillion examples of what can

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Speaker 8: go wrong under this leadership. If we're not going to

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Speaker 8: be telling the successful stories and telling showing accomplishments, then

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Speaker 8: we need to go low.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 4: The thing is a lot of the questions, who are

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Speaker 4: you talking who are you talking to? Because that's the

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Speaker 4: big question around these asks, who are you trying to

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Speaker 4: who's the audience? And and nine times out of ten,

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Speaker 4: the campaigns are making a choice between two things. A

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Speaker 4: person who they know is going to vote but are

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Speaker 4: not yet sure who that person may vote for, versus

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Speaker 4: a person who might look like they're part of your demographic,

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Speaker 4: yet they don't have a high propensity for voting. So

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Speaker 4: do I cut an ad to inspire, motivate, and move

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Speaker 4: that person who is unlikely to vote based off their

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Speaker 4: record and trust that my ad is going to be

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Speaker 4: what then puts them over, moves them closer to getting

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Speaker 4: out to vote. Or do I go after that voter

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Speaker 4: I eat Nicki Haley. I know we're moving into that conversation,

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Speaker 4: the nicky Haley, disenfranchised homeless, the voter who's sitting out

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Speaker 4: there saying, I voted every cycle, and I voted Republican

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Speaker 4: every cycle, but Trump is a nonstose for me. I

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Speaker 4: cannot vote for him. So the president then makes a decision.

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Speaker 4: Do I then go for that voter who has a

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Speaker 4: habit of voting and likely we'll go in and vote

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Speaker 4: even if they don't vote for president, may vote everything

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Speaker 4: underneath the presidency. Should I spend money trying to get

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Speaker 4: that person to go in and cast the ballot for me.

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Speaker 4: That's that's largely the choice that campaigns are making. And

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Speaker 4: I will tell you when I ran my.

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Speaker 3: Primary, choice did you make?

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Speaker 4: We went toward building a new base, right I think?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And you could test because the media largely discounted you

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Speaker 1: in they did not guess what.

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Speaker 4: They weren't shown up in the polling. Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: On the day of the primary, the day before the primary,

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Speaker 4: the last poll that came up to the primary race

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Speaker 4: had me running fifth out of five candidates.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fifth out of five because they were looking at

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Speaker 4: all the traditional news sources and who had heard of

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Speaker 4: me and that kind of thing. Well, we were putting

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Speaker 4: billboards up in neighborhoods that had been hadn't seen a

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Speaker 4: new billboard in ten years yea hours nor to start,

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Speaker 4: So our strategy wasn't on the mainstream media. We use

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Speaker 4: some other technics that I could have how.

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Speaker 1: To touch that showed how they're out of touch. But

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Speaker 1: I love that you brought up the fact that it

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Speaker 1: was that you can afford. People don't understand how these

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Speaker 1: media bides are very expensive. We just said twelve point

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Speaker 1: two to three billion billion with a B dollars, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, I think your campaign, your

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Speaker 1: campaign ads, it was innovative. You know, we had seen

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Speaker 1: similar things with Barack Obama, but that was at a

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Speaker 1: national level, at a local level, with a community as

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Speaker 1: diverse as Florida. And it's not just diverse. There are

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Speaker 1: within black people. It's diverse, you know, when you think

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Speaker 1: about Afro Latinos, when you think about Haitians, when you

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Speaker 1: think about you know, different immigrants at right exactly, I

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Speaker 1: want to just really quickly if we can, because this

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Speaker 1: was a political ad that resonated with me.

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Speaker 3: And I know we're coming up on four twenty this

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Speaker 3: look guys.

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Speaker 1: But this ad in particular, I thought was very audacious

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Speaker 1: and innovative and courageous for sure. So I want to

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Speaker 1: play this ad from Gary Chambers, who was running for senate. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Senate in Louisiana. And for the people who are listening

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Speaker 1: and not watching, he is just sitting in an empty field,

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Speaker 1: lighting something in his hand that he's about to smoke.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 11: Every thirty seven seconds, someone is arrested for possession of marijuana.

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Speaker 11: Since twenty ten, state and local police have arrested and

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Speaker 11: estimated seven point three million Americans for violating marijuana laws,

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Speaker 11: over half of all drug arrests. Black people are four

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Speaker 11: times more likely to be arrested for marijuana laws than

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Speaker 11: white people. States waste three point seven billion dollars enforcing

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Speaker 11: marijuana laws every year. Most of the people police are

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Speaker 11: arresting aren't dealers, but rather people with small amounts of pot,

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Speaker 11: just like me. I'm Gary Chambers and I'm running for

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Speaker 11: the US Senate and I approved this message.

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Speaker 3: I love it and love it.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you can't see that we were just coming.

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Speaker 1: That is a pretty big blunt in this man's hands.

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Speaker 1: But beyond it is not about like I'm encouraging you

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Speaker 1: or discouraging you from using marijua. It is about it

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Speaker 1: is a political issue, a state resource issue, and he's saying,

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Speaker 1: this is what you all doing in normalizing. This is

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Speaker 1: what I do, the same way you may go home

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Speaker 1: and have a glass of wine. This is what I do.

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Speaker 1: That spoke to so many people who said, yes, this

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Speaker 1: ad speaks to me. I feel seen. And so he'd

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Speaker 1: lost that Senate race. Unfortunately, he was run against Kennedy, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Republican and the Republican won because he had deeper pockets.

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Speaker 2: But just the fact that.

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Speaker 1: He was saying, yes, all of you, you folks who

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Speaker 1: look like me, who might indulge in this, I am

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Speaker 1: bold enough to say, I see you, I speak to you,

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Speaker 1: I recognize you as a valid voting block that I

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Speaker 1: want to engage.

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Speaker 8: So I like you also got hit pretty hard. I

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Speaker 8: think some of the folks who are the worst defenders

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Speaker 8: of respectability politics are black folks. Yes, so it trives

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Speaker 8: me crazy, especially in the South. You know, there were

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Speaker 8: folks in Louisiana like, how dare he do this? This

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Speaker 8: is too risky. He doesn't come from the same pedigree.

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Speaker 8: You know this, you know, someone who's a rising star

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Speaker 8: through the traditional ranks. He did not have the support of,

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Speaker 8: you know, kind of a democratic bench, you know, like

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Speaker 8: where are you? You disrupted the bench that we actually

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Speaker 8: aren't investing in building. So, you know, I love this

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Speaker 8: ad And one of the things I love even more

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Speaker 8: is Gary took that loss and used it as when

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Speaker 8: beneath his wings, we actually were just touching base recently

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Speaker 8: because Gary started a civics project where he's going around

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Speaker 8: the country to talk to people about how to get

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Speaker 8: involved and every single level level of government.

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Speaker 3: It's called Civics for the people.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 8: And he is literally training people in multiple states. I

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Speaker 8: was like, I see a partnership opportunity on the horizon

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Speaker 8: with Native Lampire for the people.

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Speaker 2: I want to say how I came to know him.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Viral because he got up talk about you, Connie.

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Speaker 4: He went, but he went there regularly. Right, there was

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Speaker 4: a main stay at the in the in the county

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Speaker 4: where he lived, going to the school board. Connie didn't

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Speaker 4: want to hear about some of the the racial issues

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Speaker 4: that Connie's own line shopping for clothes during the public

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Speaker 4: speaking part, and he called her out and then zoom

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Speaker 4: in on his phone and I but but it was

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Speaker 4: so real, it was so authentic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: What I love about the ad and I think it

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Speaker 4: accomplished two things. One, he used the dramatics of something

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Speaker 4: you would not see on television. Right, somebody's smoking with

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Speaker 4: still is I think the majority of states and illegal

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Speaker 4: substance and federally it's still.

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Speaker 1: And the ad was thirty seven seconds when he was

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Speaker 1: saying every thirty seven ee.

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Speaker 4: So intentional with regard to the timing, intentional regard. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna use something that is totally taboo to grab your

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Speaker 4: attention and why you're looking at me, I'm gonna spit facts.

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Speaker 4: And so if you were a viewer, I guarantee you did.

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Speaker 4: You did not turn the television. You did not. You

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Speaker 4: didn't flip past that ad when you saw what was taboo,

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Speaker 4: and like no one does this, he did it and

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Speaker 4: he reached and audience the problem. You know, Angela, you

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Speaker 4: point out a lot the respectability politics.

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Speaker 1: And black and the fact that, but Angel's point was

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Speaker 1: that black folks are the ones.

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Speaker 4: And I also get it. I also get it. It's

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Speaker 4: not always just not in front of mister Charlie. It's

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Speaker 4: also we've worked too hard and come too far to

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Speaker 4: break out of a box of what they have put

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Speaker 4: us in, what they make of us, so what they

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Speaker 4: think we are, and the truth is is, like everybody else,

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Speaker 4: we are a vast, colorful array of people. We're not

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Speaker 4: a monolith, as is no one and so we have

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Speaker 4: a right to express ourselves in whatever ways. But because

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Speaker 4: folks had to go about it the hard way, and

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Speaker 4: I have respect for it and pay homage to it,

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Speaker 4: but it doesn't mean that what got us here is

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Speaker 4: going to keep us here and certainly doesn't mean what

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Speaker 4: got us here, but it won't if they are retracting.

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Speaker 4: You understand, we are in a generation now where rights

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Speaker 4: are not being expanded, which has been the American experiment

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Speaker 4: since its founding was to buy and buy and buy

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Speaker 4: expand AX has expand rights. We should have had it

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Speaker 4: on day one. Nonetheless, they got to it day four

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Speaker 4: hundred whatever. Yeah, But the point is is that people, folks,

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Speaker 4: folks still assume that we are we are playing polite

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Speaker 4: on all sides. That manual was ripped up a long

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Speaker 4: time ago. Burn it was burned, ripped up there.

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Speaker 1: Don't want to hear how well you can work with

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Speaker 1: folks across the aisle.

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Speaker 2: That's not the one is not true.

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Speaker 8: I wish I actually wish that that were the case

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Speaker 8: and were it was like that one I worked on

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Speaker 8: the hill.

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Speaker 3: It was I mean, not on everything, but a little

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Speaker 3: bit you could work with. Now they can't even work

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Speaker 3: with each other. Yeah, you know, but into that, you know.

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Speaker 4: But they're using the tools of government, the tools that

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Speaker 4: we that we have given them towards the end goal

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Speaker 4: of making our lives better. They're using them, weaponizing them

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Speaker 4: against a political opponent. Take the theft of the Supreme

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Speaker 4: Court justice under Barack Obama a year into a year

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Speaker 4: out from the president's re election, that we are not

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Speaker 4: going to entertain a sitting sworn in commander in chief,

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Speaker 4: which means up until the moment he is no longer

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Speaker 4: president at noon on January twenty first, whatever in nineteenth

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Speaker 4: but until that day your president, and so what member

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Speaker 4: of the Congress gets to abridge your powers as President

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Speaker 4: of the United States because they determined you were a

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Speaker 4: year out from an election and a.

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Speaker 3: Political ad that encourage it exactly.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of political can I just self promote for a minute,

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Speaker 1: because I think to the point how the mainstream media

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Speaker 1: completely discarded you and I know you guys. Every week

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm discount and discounted. Yes, every week,

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Speaker 1: I'm like dumping on the media because I feel like

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Speaker 1: the mainstream media is.

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Speaker 2: Just utter trash, it's garbage.

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Speaker 1: But I think there is something that when Native lamppod debut,

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Speaker 1: we debuted number one across all categories, not just news,

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Speaker 1: across all categories, and I think there's something to people

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Speaker 1: saying you speak to me, you speak about issues I

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Speaker 1: care about, you make this conversation interactive. I can tune

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Speaker 1: in and you're explaining things to me. You're informing me,

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Speaker 1: You're not just giving your opinions. And I think that

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Speaker 1: says something about where the American body politic is sure.

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Speaker 1: And while the mainstream media outlets political ads, all of these,

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Speaker 1: they cater to a shrinking demographic, we audaciously speak to

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Speaker 1: a growing demographic. And I encourage more people. There should

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Speaker 1: be people in every pocket of all you know, ethnicities.

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Speaker 1: There will be no racial majority in this country in

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Speaker 1: twenty forty four. So this propensity to cater to white voters,

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Speaker 1: I think people are gonna have to adjust. I want

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Speaker 1: to get to something you said though, and kind of

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Speaker 1: shift us a little bit, because you were talking about

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Speaker 1: the Nikki Hayley voters, and that is the whole thing

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Speaker 1: about these new friends. You know, well, because as people

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Speaker 1: are shifting from the Republican Party and they feel like

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Speaker 1: politically homeless, I do wonder about that, and I think

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Speaker 1: that that deserves some of our attention. Here will democrats

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Speaker 1: not just in political ads, because we're seeing that, Angela,

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Speaker 1: you talked. I looked up Angela and I we were

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Speaker 1: all together last night. Angela rolled up on us with

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Speaker 1: her camera. We'll see, we'll drop that behind the scenes later. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we were talking. We ended up hanging out last

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Speaker 1: night and we were talking about this memo that came

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Speaker 1: out with President Joe Biden going after these nicky Haley voters.

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Speaker 2: I think I have it, Angela.

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Speaker 1: You may know more than I do on this, but

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Speaker 1: essentially the Biden administration, Yeah, the Biden campaign, forgive me.

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Speaker 1: They are spending more than a million dollars on an

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Speaker 1: ad campaign across digital platforms in battleground states. It was

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Speaker 1: part of a six week, thirty million dollar ad buy

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Speaker 1: after the President's mark seventh State of the Union, going

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Speaker 1: after some of these nicky Hayley voters and some of

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Speaker 1: the Republican voters who feel politically homeless. I find this

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Speaker 1: very frustrating because nationally, Democrats have not won the majority

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Speaker 1: white vote since nineteen sixty four. That was the year

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Speaker 1: that Lyndon Johnson ran and even he lost that white

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Speaker 1: Southern coalition to Bury Goldwater. So on the other side

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Speaker 1: of this break, I want us to pick up on

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Speaker 1: that conversation and talk about that. So stay with us,

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Speaker 1: audience at home. We're going to dig into that. Will

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Speaker 1: Democrats shift to accommodate GOP voters. That's on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Stay with us, We'll be right back.

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Speaker 6: High Native Lampid.

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Speaker 3: My name is Kyle.

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Speaker 6: I'm from New Jersey. So I have a question because

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Speaker 6: there's always this rhetoric, specifically in the black community, about

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Speaker 6: how Democrats don't do enough for Black people and how

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Speaker 6: they constantly take our votes for granted. And my question is,

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Speaker 6: why is it that the Democrats don't display what they

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Speaker 6: have done for the Black community more?

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Speaker 2: All right, Kyle, thank you for that question, is right.

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Speaker 1: I love when our viewers are like right on target

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Speaker 1: with what we're talking about. So, Kyle, we're about to

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Speaker 1: get into that very subject about GOP voters and the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party trying to make inroads with them and not

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Speaker 1: talking enough about what they do for black folks.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So before the break, we were talking about this

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Speaker 1: shift of you know, politically homeless GOP voters, and I

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Speaker 1: we could.

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Speaker 2: Make the argument that black folks are also politically homeless.

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Speaker 1: We've been squatting in this house because of the rage

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Speaker 1: and storm outside, but we are homeless too, and so

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Speaker 1: get in the house that we built. Imagine that Quadden

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Speaker 1: in the House that we for free, as Angela Ray

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Speaker 1: always says, we built this joint for free. So with

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Speaker 1: more than a million dollars on this ad campaign, I

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Speaker 1: am curious, like, where is the equivalently matched because the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media, again although ill framed and I would argue

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Speaker 1: against it, but they're constantly talking about black voters or

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Speaker 1: you know, iffy on President Joe Biden, so it might

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Speaker 1: make sense to me that you might make great efforts

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Speaker 1: to reach us. I'm curious I could have this wrong.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious what you guys think about it. Throughout this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I do want to I have a white woman and

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Speaker 1: a white man who are talking about where they stand politically,

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Speaker 1: so I'll play those sound bites later. But I'm just

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Speaker 1: curious your thoughts of off the cuff, Angela, what do

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Speaker 1: you think about this whole? Are you concerned because I'm

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Speaker 1: concerned that the Democrats will shift policy wise to accommodate

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Speaker 1: these voters, but curious your take?

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Speaker 3: Are you sure they have not shifted?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 8: What is frustrating about this conversation because you are like

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Speaker 8: no new friends, is this is not a new conversation.

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Speaker 8: This is another old attempt at trying to get people

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Speaker 8: who are new to them again.

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Speaker 3: And they're not coming back. There's no like.

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Speaker 8: It's the people that like the little kids that go

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Speaker 8: to school be like, will you play with me? And

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Speaker 8: it's the little mean kid is like, no, that's what's

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Speaker 8: happening here. They're not going to play with you. They

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Speaker 8: throw a tea an Truman said, if Nikki Hanley didn't win,

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Speaker 8: I'll never vote for Trump.

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Speaker 3: Then they turn around and said, it's like, I'm just playing.

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Speaker 3: I'm voting for Trump.

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Speaker 8: But yet and still they're going to spend all of

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Speaker 8: this money and then come to us in the eleventh hour,

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Speaker 8: probably after the DNC convention, despite Jamie Harrison's best efforts

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Speaker 8: to try to get them to invest in black communities,

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Speaker 8: talking to black communities and a multi year plan.

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Speaker 2: Famie Harrison, Terrace and DNC the Democratic National Committee.

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Speaker 8: He does and despite his best attempts, I think that

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Speaker 8: we are going to find ourselves back in a seat

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Speaker 8: in August or September with them.

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Speaker 2: He's a black man who ran presented in South Carolina.

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Speaker 8: And still white people run the party. And so even

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Speaker 8: though he is in a leadership role, he should have

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Speaker 8: every say. He is brilliant, worked on Capitol Hill, was

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Speaker 8: a registered lobbyist doing great work. I call him a

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Speaker 8: thought partner, amazing guy. They're not listening in the ways

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Speaker 8: that they should. This man comes from South Carolina. He

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Speaker 8: knows what it's like to be in a rural community

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Speaker 8: and ignored, just like Andrew targeted rural black voters when

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Speaker 8: he ran for and understand so. Yet you would just

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Speaker 8: think that at some point you would listen to the

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Speaker 8: people who know these communities because they're of these communities.

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Speaker 8: And instead you continue to take the same old tire

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Speaker 8: tactics and are surprised where you don't get better results.

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Speaker 8: To Andrew's point, we don't have any choice but to

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Speaker 8: grow the base. You can't continue to do the same things,

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Speaker 8: targeting the same people and think that you are going

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Speaker 8: to significantly increase your your your return on investment. Your

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Speaker 8: investment is the same. It's to the same people who

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Speaker 8: ain't thinking about you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they're playing with the marbles that are

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Speaker 4: on the table, right No one's looking at the fact

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Speaker 4: that of the marbles that are on the table, Guess what, y'all,

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Speaker 4: there is one hundred percent of those underneath the table. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And this is a true statement. Half Americans don't vote.

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Speaker 4: So you're looking at what's on the table, and what's

878
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 4: on the table, you can double that if you look

879
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 4: under yes, yeah, and pick a couple up right. So,

880
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 4: and it's a risky strategy only because it isn't what

881
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 4: the consultant class is convincing. You need to be pursued.

882
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 4: So everybody who was part of the general traditional consulting

883
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 4: class at least am I resent Florida in the primary

884
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 4: they were with a particular candidate, and then got spread

885
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 4: across as the field grew, thought we were ridiculous with

886
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: our very limited resources. And I don't know, I can't

887
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 4: remember the saying. One of y'all may be able to

888
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 4: remember it. But basically, the reason why we had to

889
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 4: innovate is because when you don't have no resources and

890
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: you got to make a way out of no way,

891
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: creativity flourishes.

892
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 8: Right.

893
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 4: You come up with all kinds of things. Water is

894
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: going to go to the cracks. So we found our

895
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 4: way to the cracks with what we had. And in

896
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 4: most cases you're dealing with a set of finite resources.

897
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 4: They can grow or shrink on the margins and then

898
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 4: with those finite resources you and the consultant class, most

899
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: of the consulting classes, is making a choice around where

900
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 4: you want to spend those limited resources.

901
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: Right, And they say, do you don't look like us?

902
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: And guess what, I think the ones who do look

903
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 4: like us are often parroting a strategy that they were taught,

904
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: often in the big houses of communications and firms and

905
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: that country. So they didn't come in and you think

906
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 4: you've got a person who will understand what it means

907
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 4: to speak to marginalized communities and moving the vote, they

908
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 4: don't have a god damn clue because that's not who

909
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 4: they're dealing with. They were trained and how to deal

910
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 4: with the marbles on the table and what I'm suggesting

911
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: in what we did.

912
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: A lot of things.

913
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Speaker 8: Sometimes I think that our folks don't get chances on

914
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 8: your campaign.

915
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 4: Because they don't get chances they I get that folks

916
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 4: aren't willing to experiment. My point is is there was

917
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 4: no pathway to victory for us other than creating a

918
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 4: base that could take us there. We knew that the

919
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 4: people existed, but it was then a very challenging fight,

920
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 4: even for me as a candidate. I'm leading my name's

921
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 4: on the ballot. Why am I fighting with you about

922
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 4: the resources I went out and raised to support the

923
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 4: campaign about where those moneys are going to be spent.

924
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 4: So those choices have to be made. My plead to

925
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: the party would because I get what's happening. What happening

926
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 4: is do we take what we know is gonna be

927
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 4: there and borrow from it Republicans who may not support

928
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 4: Trump this sign and borrow from it. Or do we

929
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: take what we know is a group of people who

930
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 4: would be with us if they voted, but they don't vote.

931
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 4: But let's take the risk to grow that number. Yeah,

932
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 4: bet that they may come out and support us and

933
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 4: take the chance of losing a race because we targeted

934
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 4: largely communities who didn't have a pattern of showing up

935
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: on election day, and that's a risk that a lot

936
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 4: of candidate I'm just saying, who.

937
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 8: I'm going to fight you on one thing? You can

938
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 8: not physical not physical law Andrew. I don't know if

939
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 8: you remember this, because you were very busy trying to

940
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 8: raise money and prepare for debates on your campaign. We

941
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 8: hired a firm I won't say the name on here,

942
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 8: but we hired a firm that was more corporate in

943
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 8: their marketing approach. It was a black firm. The reason

944
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 8: we did that is because of what you just raised.

945
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 8: There are some folks who were trained inside the who

946
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 8: went outside the box. This marketing agency did big campaigns

947
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 8: for some successful corporations and they took that same approach

948
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 8: to Andrew's campaign and it was it was very well received.

949
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 4: That's true. So I don't want to paint You're right.

950
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 4: I was want to paint everybody with a broad brush. Yeah,

951
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 4: because you're right, But those weren't people who grew up

952
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 4: who were trained up of political advertising. This is what

953
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 4: it is, right, these were. This was a different This

954
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: was a different section, and those folks are not being

955
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 4: engaged largely in these political campaigns at the level that

956
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 4: they should be. Yeah, And all I'm saying is is

957
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 4: I think we can do both at one time. You

958
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 4: have to first of all, if you're raising more money

959
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 4: than has ever been raised before for the office of presidency,

960
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 4: you're not being limited by whether or not you can

961
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 4: talk to a base or grow a base. You can

962
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 4: do both. You can walk, chew gum, grow a base,

963
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 4: and then and then double down on the plan by.

964
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 8: They cannot risk aversion like to your point, like, how

965
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 8: dare you have?

966
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 3: How much was it again?

967
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: Tiff was one point two to three billion, twelve point

968
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: political Like you if you're a million.

969
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 4: I go after right, No, that is hardly the number.

970
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's way more thirty million dollar ad buy.

971
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but all I'm saying is one million was just

972
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: for the digital platform.

973
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: And I bet you that's even under well, but.

974
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: That's all that was all according to.

975
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 4: The Washington Let's look at the ads and then say

976
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 4: who they're talking to and of that, then come up

977
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 4: with that number. Let's say thirteen million people and then

978
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 4: divide the total costs by thirteen and that's how much

979
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 4: they're spending on Nicki Hagen and other otherwise. But here's

980
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 4: which is the lion's share of money that will be

981
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 4: raised and spent. This is what say, this much of

982
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: the life.

983
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 8: And this is my point, right, like if you're in

984
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 8: the fight for your life. I keep saying, this election

985
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 8: is a political war, it is not a campaign as usual.

986
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 3: Then that means you have.

987
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 8: To take a lot of risks. You have to take

988
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 8: a lot of risks. You got to find people under

989
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 8: the marbles, under the table. You have to go in

990
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 8: and in a way that you've never gone in before.

991
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 8: You cannot listen to the same old, same old, because

992
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 8: this is different. It is just very different. If you're

993
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 8: not just in a campaign and you're in the battle

994
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 8: for your life. You're bringing in people who have all

995
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 8: kinds of different tactics, have used all kinds of different tools.

996
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 8: They're innovators, and we might even disagree with Yes, yeah,

997
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 8: I'm not seeing that right now, and I think that

998
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 8: they've got to do that.

999
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: Well, can I can I just really quickly interject with

1000
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: some new reporting. It came from Pew Research just this week.

1001
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: Republicans have made significant gains among voters without a college degree.

1002
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: These voters are rule voters and white evangelical voters, not

1003
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: black votes. The trend toward the Republican Party among white

1004
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: voters without a college degree has continued Democrats. Democrats have

1005
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: lost ground among those voters and among Hispanic voters too. Now,

1006
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: do you want to point out a voter's party affiliation

1007
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: does not always predict how they will vote. But Democrats

1008
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: have held on the key constituencies like black voters, younger voters,

1009
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: and they gain grounds with college educated voters.

1010
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: To me, it makes.

1011
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: Sense if you see you are continuing to lose this

1012
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: white vote. Why on God's green earth are you spending

1013
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars to go and say please come back

1014
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: and ignoring, severely ignoring, and not spending dollars and not

1015
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: doing I think an audacious enough outreach to voters who

1016
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: look like us.

1017
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 2: It is a slap in the face.

1018
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: And I want but I just want to save y'all's

1019
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: mentions for a second, because every time we talk about this, Andrew,

1020
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: you are wise to stay on social media, because every

1021
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: time we talk about this, people are.

1022
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: Like, oh, you know, y'all trying to get people to

1023
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 2: stay home and not vote.

1024
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 3: No, no, you're not opposite.

1025
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: We're saying get out there and vote, and they're saying

1026
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: vote best in our vote. And on the other side, Angela,

1027
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: because you get this a lot too. It's like, you know,

1028
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: they say, you know, y'all are putting down this administration

1029
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: and the presidency. I think Angela, you say it best

1030
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: when you say, if not for us, then who can

1031
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: make demands of this political party that we have helped uphold.

1032
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: For the small margin of people who are Trump voters,

1033
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: who are Republican voters. They're one and the same at

1034
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: this point, who you know are filled with misinformation. Those

1035
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 1: people are not large enough who say, oh, you gotta

1036
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: see the light on the other side, There is no

1037
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: light on the other side. You have been bamboozle my friend.

1038
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: So this conversation is important enough to us that we're

1039
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: saying we are advocating for you. You often say this, Angela,

1040
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about black folks exclusively. I'm thinking about black folks.

1041
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: I understand that perspective, and we are saying this is

1042
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: what we demand of you because you are the person,

1043
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: or you are the party that is harm reduction. We

1044
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: are not advocates for this party. We don't really give

1045
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: a shit about parties we give. We care about what

1046
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: helps our people. How does it cause of the least

1047
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: harm for.

1048
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: That though, That is why I'm in favor of a

1049
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 4: strategy that says we can do both. I get that

1050
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 4: you're not going to get You can go after voters

1051
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 4: who you believe are gettable even though they have not

1052
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 4: traditionally been with you. And by the way, the go

1053
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 4: after is if in the messaging, it's largely on reproductive

1054
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 4: a woman's right to decide for herself about her body

1055
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 4: and it's IVF and those discrete set of issues. Now,

1056
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 4: when our agenda begins to start turning and resembling that

1057
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 4: of the Republican Party, then you've lost me at every

1058
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 4: single at every single turn. I think you can go

1059
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 4: after low hanging food on the other side, but you

1060
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 4: don't have to do it at the decapitation of picking

1061
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 4: marbles up that have rolled off or that have never

1062
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 4: been there and putting them on the table and investing

1063
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 4: in it over time. You can do both things. We're

1064
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 4: not dealing with a cashtrap campaign on our side to

1065
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 4: be dealing with.

1066
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 3: Me are dealing with cash strap people though, and I think.

1067
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 4: We're dealing there with idea strap people.

1068
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: No cash strap people too.

1069
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 8: I think to your point, going after people who don't

1070
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 8: who may not have much, but they do have their vote,

1071
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 8: we can figure out ways to strateig remind people of

1072
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 8: how powerful that is, even when you're down on your

1073
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 8: look on every other side, like going into empoverished communities

1074
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 8: and starting where Tips started the podcast today, did you

1075
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 8: know that childhood e b T is under attack in

1076
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 8: your state? That's the ad you runcause because what it

1077
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 8: does is going back to what Gary's doing. You're not

1078
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 8: just saying, so come vote for me. You're saying, call

1079
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 8: your governor first. And after you make that call and

1080
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 8: they don't do right by you, remember at the federal level,

1081
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 8: we will.

1082
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 3: We stand with you.

1083
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 4: They are running that ad because they know what's on

1084
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 4: the other side of it, which is the right and

1085
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 4: rapid response, ready to say this is the welfare state,

1086
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 4: and Democrats are going to I'm saying, this is what

1087
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 4: the debate is in the room. As we all know,

1088
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 4: they're making a calculation, do we lose the persuadable middle

1089
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 4: if we double down?

1090
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 3: Run you said, lead the kids out. Let me tell

1091
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 3: you to add I'm running.

1092
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 8: I would get a child or several kids who are

1093
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Speaker 8: diverse from the state of Mississippi. I will go right

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Speaker 8: into the heart of Mississippi and tell and have them

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Speaker 8: talk about how they can't afford to eat. Run what

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Speaker 8: they ate for lunch that day, run run what they're

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Speaker 8: eating for the week, talk about what actually is on

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Speaker 8: their plate, and then run the ad saying that this

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Speaker 8: governor said that this child does not tour, does not

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Speaker 8: deserve a hot meal, and then show that this is

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Speaker 8: what the federal government supported.

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Speaker 3: Now you might not be able to overturn who.

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Speaker 8: Is the city governor in the office, but you can

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Speaker 8: certainly ensure that at the federal level they are held accountable.

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Speaker 3: That is the ad because that is the truth.

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Speaker 8: And even if they come back talking about a welfare state,

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Speaker 8: the kid comes back and says, no, it's not a

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Speaker 8: welfare state. But I'm a poor kid and I deserve

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Speaker 8: to have my dreams fulfilled.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad we likely.

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Speaker 3: I'm a dream of word in here. Listen, amazing.

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Speaker 4: No, we have this because we did this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is that, this is this has been built up.

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Speaker 4: The problem is they consider it to be an anomaly

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Speaker 4: and not a new strategy to wage war. Right, an

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Speaker 4: anomaly that was you had a special that's not true.

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Speaker 4: And we simply decided to see all of us and

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Speaker 4: not just some.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of friend your own experience.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, like, this is why you have to

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Speaker 3: have a diverse bench.

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Speaker 1: Because you are frating candidates who think like how they

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Speaker 1: were raised. Yes, this is my frustration. I want to

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Speaker 1: play these sound bites. There's a white woman voter. Can

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Speaker 1: we play the SoundBite from the white woman vote? You

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Speaker 1: don't want to do we not want to. Let's play

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Speaker 1: the soundway from the white woman voter. I'm a follow

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Speaker 1: it up with the white man voter. Let's let's play

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Speaker 1: that producer, Nick, Please.

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Speaker 12: I did vote for McCain, I did vote for Romney

1131
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Speaker 12: into twenty sixteen, I ended up voting for Trump. I

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Speaker 12: voted for him because I really kind of felt were

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00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 12: connected to the Republican principles. The behavior concerned me. But

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Speaker 12: to be quite honest with you, like I was a

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Speaker 12: big Apprentice fan.

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Speaker 3: Let's celebrity go to you a little. It did get

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00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 3: to me looking back, now, do you regret that vote?

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Speaker 3: One percent?

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Speaker 1: I want to like, this is my point, this is

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Speaker 1: this is my point. Katie has the privilege to treat

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00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: this ship like it's a game because as a white woman,

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00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: you are never you are never as impacted. I will

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00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: say with est with reproductive rights. There is an issue now,

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00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: but it's like we never had that privilege.

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Speaker 2: This is life or death for us. You were Apprentice

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00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: fan and that's why you vote.

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00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 8: Around Facebook and apologize to my friends and family.

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00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 2: But this is who the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 3: Is going after to be like, Katie, we want to

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00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 3: talk to you.

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00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: You're looking at Katie, we have an appeal. Now, I

1152
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: want to play the white man. Let's play the white man.

1153
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: It matter listen to the white man, Let's play him.

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00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: I quit today.

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00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 5: I identify as independent voter because I don't fit neatly

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00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 5: into a particular ideological box. I have different thoughts and

1157
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 5: opinions on different issues. Some of them would be right

1158
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 5: of center, someone would be left of center. For example,

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00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 5: I believe in support, you know, the second Men of

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Speaker 5: the United States, although I do believe that there are

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00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 5: certain classifications of weapons that we should not be allowed

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Speaker 5: to have. I believe in the right of people to

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Speaker 5: love and marry whomever they choose to love that should.

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Speaker 5: I believe in bodily autonomy for women. So there's just

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00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 5: a number of things I think, you know, when I

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00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 5: look at the issues and I consider one by one

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Speaker 5: in my thoughts and my beliefs, I just don't fit

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Speaker 5: with necessarily one.

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Speaker 4: Side or the other.

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Speaker 5: And I think there are a lot of Americans out

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Speaker 5: there like that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I hate to break it to Texas Trade. You

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Speaker 1: are a Democrat, my friend. Everything you just talked about

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Speaker 1: those fall squarely. And so when I hear that, and

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Speaker 1: I wonder, well, what was it that was so appealing

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Speaker 1: about the Republican Party to you. And to quote the

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Speaker 1: great American out of Florida who looks at the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party and says, I'm not saying you were racist.

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Speaker 2: But the races think you are racist.

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Speaker 1: There is some reason then why this Republican Party they

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00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: appeal to identity politics. That was something that was ascribed

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Speaker 1: to us, but they appeal to these identity politics. I

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00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: hear these two people and I'm like you, Angela, I'm frustrated.

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00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm angry because you are playing.

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Speaker 8: I'm mad at Katie. I'm mad at Texas in Texas train.

1186
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Speaker 8: But it's like, get on the train because you're voter

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Speaker 8: and you're not.

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Speaker 4: If she comes along, I won't both of them, because

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Speaker 4: I think we we talked about no, no, no. When

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Speaker 4: she says she had to apologize to family and friends,

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00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 4: I'm believing that she's got some family and friends who

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Speaker 4: sit at the margin of impact negative impact that Trump

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00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 4: caused right in that Republicans. We tried to tell you

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00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 4: we did, but guess what, there's always room for redemption.

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Speaker 4: We can't. We can't.

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Speaker 3: She needed to talk to g We have.

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Speaker 4: To wage it on the on today's war, and right

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Speaker 4: now today we need as many people as we can bring.

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Speaker 3: Under the table, and many people.

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Speaker 4: We need to bring.

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Speaker 3: This is Katie, this is the marble rolling around. That

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Speaker 3: is good.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you, I don't want just the president.

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Speaker 4: I don't want I don't I don't want just a

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Speaker 4: Democrat holding down the White House. I want a democratic Congress.

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Speaker 4: I want a democratic Senate. I want a president who

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Speaker 4: will appoint justices who are in line with the mainstream

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Speaker 4: of the American people. Of that. But all I'm saying

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00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 4: is is that if we if this is only going

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Speaker 4: to be about propping up Joe Biden, and much of

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00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 4: these ads are going to be about that, right, most

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00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 4: of that is going to be about it, then we

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00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 4: are we are not putting out out on the ball

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Speaker 4: of how do we get So this EBT program came

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00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 4: out of COVID through democratically pushed legislation because they were

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Speaker 4: trying to embody in the government it's ability to deal

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Speaker 4: with the crisis that has been a crisis before COVID,

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Speaker 4: and they used a good crisis. They used a crisis,

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Speaker 4: as they say, don't let a good crisis go to

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Speaker 4: waste to put in policies that they believe will advance

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Speaker 4: the democratic agenda, but but mostly will help American people.

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Speaker 4: Now it's no longer COVID in the way that it

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Speaker 4: once was. They're trying to get this same policy EBT

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Speaker 4: that one hundred and twenty as part of the fabric

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Speaker 4: of what we provide to every American. Okay, but if

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Speaker 4: you don't have a Congress that can move it and

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Speaker 4: a president that can sign it, then what are we

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Speaker 4: doing here? I agree with all of us at the

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Speaker 4: long term war.

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Speaker 3: No, I agree with all of us, all.

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01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 4: Of us that because we all are in agreement on this,

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Speaker 4: that the long term war has to be bringing more

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Speaker 4: of our folks, paying and then and then delivering for

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Speaker 4: them through the public.

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Speaker 2: Is Katie get to you?

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01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 3: K is not?

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01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: I think Katie is not gettable? But do you think

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01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: she's gettable?

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01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 4: I think if she says she's gettable, she is not.

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01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: Now why do you say she's not?

1241
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 3: I don't believe Katie?

1242
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 13: Ka?

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01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 4: Guess what? We don't have to believe Kate.

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01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 3: Yes we do.

1245
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: Are Katie and Karen gettable people?

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01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 3: Not everybody else?

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01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 4: Sorry? But if you had electricity and a hurricane was coming,

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Speaker 4: and you have the opportunity to get a generator. Would

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01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 4: you say, oh, but my lights have been on every

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01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 4: other day, and so why would he go away? You

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01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 4: don't make that decision. You say, I'm gonna get the

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Speaker 4: generator for redundancy.

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01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 3: Would if the generator is bro.

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01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 4: Listen, We're all gonna go for redundancy. And all I'm

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01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 4: saying is is we make a big mistake when we

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Speaker 4: write off everybody because they made a for and we

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Speaker 4: make an even worse choice when we decide that because

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01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 4: a person hasn't shown the propensity to vote, not they haven't.

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Speaker 4: You haven't delivered for them. They hang. Your agenda doesn't

1260
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 4: work for them. Not not that, but they haven't voted.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to invest any money in trying to

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Speaker 4: turn them out.

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Speaker 2: Both your hands and rains.

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Speaker 8: Would you like to get the impression something I'm kicking

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Speaker 8: you out.

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Speaker 4: I'm not.

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Speaker 8: If I really was kicking you out, that is true.

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01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 8: Here is my point, Andrew. Your compassion in this moment

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Speaker 8: is your Achilles hill.

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Speaker 4: It's not it is.

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01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: It is because you believe.

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Speaker 3: We're not gonna win with this.

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Speaker 8: You're doing the same thing that there's white consultants ay say,

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Speaker 8: yes you are, because you.

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Speaker 3: Watched this clip of this white one, roll a clip

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Speaker 3: again to.

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Speaker 12: I did vote for McCain, I did vote for Romney

1278
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 12: into twenty sixteen, I ended up voting for Trump. I

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01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 12: voted for him because I really kind of felt more

1280
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 12: connected to the Republican principles. The behavior concerned me. But

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01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 12: to be quite honest with you, like I was a

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01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 12: big Apprentice fan, let's celebrity go to you, A little

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01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 12: bit did get to me.

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Speaker 3: Looking back, now, do you regret that vote?

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Speaker 12: One hundred percent?

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Speaker 2: She's smiling and laughing the whole time.

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Speaker 8: Right Now, here's my argument I'm putting on my counselor hat.

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01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 8: This woman did not start voting for Trump with the celebrity.

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01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 8: She did not start with him just because he was

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Speaker 8: the Apprentice. Her Republican ways preceded Donald Trump. She voted

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Speaker 8: for Romney, Binders full of women. She said that she

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Speaker 8: apologized on Facebook. She didn't go to the altar. This

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Speaker 8: is not forgiven. She could be redeemed by God, she

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01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 8: will not be redeemed by this party. I'm not asking

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Speaker 8: her to identify as a Democrat. I'm asking for her

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Speaker 8: to identify with her morals, to stand.

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Speaker 3: With her sisters, regardless of race.

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Speaker 8: And she cannot do that. She does not have that ability.

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Speaker 8: She does not care. She in fact, probably only did

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Speaker 8: this interview because she thought that it would get her

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Speaker 8: attention because she likes celebrities. That she tried out for

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Speaker 8: the Apprentice and didn't get selected. She was the apprentice

1303
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Speaker 8: on this program. Now, some people are redeemable, maybe even

1304
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 8: some people who look just like Katie, maybe some people

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Speaker 8: on Katie Street. It is not Katie. And all I

1306
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 8: am trying to say is the more time we spend

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Speaker 8: time trying to get Katie instead of Knesha and Keisha

1308
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Speaker 8: and Crystal and Kevin and KeAndre, We're going it.

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm telling you. And I'm not.

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Speaker 8: Saying that they don't deserve a hello when you walk

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Speaker 8: down the street, but they do not deserve a dollar

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Speaker 8: spit on any targeted social media posts.

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Speaker 3: The doors of the church and I have.

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Speaker 4: All I'm saying is I'm not a pastor or a priest,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not trying to save her soul. Yeah, No

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Speaker 4: I'm not. No, I'm not What I want is what

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Speaker 4: I want is No, it ain't building, is not coming.

1318
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Speaker 4: It's winning an election. That's what this is about. No,

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying by any means it is winnable. I'm

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Speaker 4: not saying by any means, if what we are attempting

1321
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 4: to do is to convert souls when we ask people

1322
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 4: to vote, we will we will lose every election here

1323
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Speaker 4: to forth. People aren't going to to the polling place

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Speaker 4: to be converted. That's not what they're there for. It's

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Speaker 4: a transaction.

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Speaker 3: She's not coming.

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Speaker 4: I don't care about that woman. I don't If it's

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01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 4: all about that one woman, then we are never going

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Speaker 4: to win another election again. What we have to be

1330
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Speaker 4: about is how do we put the numbers together on

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Speaker 4: the board that will get us a president, a House,

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Speaker 4: and a Senate so that we can then move the

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01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 4: policy that we got to move to make my family,

1334
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 4: your family, and the people who we care and love

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Speaker 4: their lives better for the future. That that that that's

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Speaker 4: all I'm oriented with. So whether or not I'm converting

1337
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 4: this woman, she wanted to be a celebrity and I

1338
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 4: high prentice and I don't care about that. That's not

1339
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 4: you don't have to care. I don't have to have

1340
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 4: agreement with you on every single issue for you to

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01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 4: vote for me. I didn't go into rural areas of

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Speaker 4: Florida asking for people to vote because I thought that

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Speaker 4: they were going to agree with me on everything that

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01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 4: I did. No, of course, I needed them to understand

1345
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 4: that by getting me, you're gonna get more of what

1346
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 4: works for you than under me than you will under

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01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 4: the other guy.

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Speaker 8: I guarantee you that's not where she was. Where she

1349
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 8: have to be because we have to be targeted. And

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01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 8: that's the thing that.

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Speaker 4: Strategy both and.

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01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 8: Both and wasting money and then that money ends up

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01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 8: being wasted on them and not targeting.

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Speaker 4: And when you and when you have to make the choice,

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01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 4: you put marbles on the table. As far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not just saying that, it's because I've done it.

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Speaker 3: You did. That's why I'm shocked by this.

1358
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 4: But I did them both. I went into I went

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Speaker 4: into the most republican part of Florida. I went to

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01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 4: the most republican precinct in the entire country twice three

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01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 4: times on the campaign trail. Not because I thought I

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01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 4: was going to convert the people living in that ultra

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01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 4: right wing place. It's because all those places there are

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01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 4: people who can still relate to our experience. What we're

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01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 4: trying to do our story and even the third Ogree

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01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 4: hook line single on every single major issue I want

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01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 4: to move forward. They had enough to believe that I

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Speaker 4: believed in it, and so they went and they casted

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Speaker 4: a ballot for me.

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Speaker 3: I think it's fine.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: Don't spend no ad money on it.

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01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense for me to walk right past

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01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 4: them casting the expersion that everybody who lives in that

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01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 4: area believes that way, and that's why I shouldn't. I know,

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Speaker 4: that's not what you're saying about Katie who.

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01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 2: Well, now we are.

1378
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 4: Now all.

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Speaker 1: We've gotten on that note, yes, yes, on that note.

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01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 2: That was a bar.

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Speaker 1: And when we come back on the other side of

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01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: this break, we're gonna talk about people who dry, but

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01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: more bars.

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Speaker 3: But I love that. We're gonna keep it.

1385
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you'll leave us. We're taking a quick break.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be right back. The breaking news is our

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Speaker 1: very own Angela Rye is the executive producer of the Crossover.

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Speaker 1: It's still available to see on the on the sp

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Speaker 1: N so people can still watch it, and it was

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Speaker 1: just nominated for not one, not two, but three Sports Emmys.

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Speaker 1: Though analysis just came out this week.

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Speaker 2: So can we raise the glass?

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01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 3: Angela, congrats.

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Speaker 8: I want to shout out Julian Gooden, who is an

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01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 8: extraordinary director. If y'all don't know about Julian, you will

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01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 8: very soon. This is not gonna be his first sports hope.

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01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 8: I'm naming it and claiming nomination. So he is fantastic. Julian,

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01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 8: thank you for letting me be involved. It was an

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01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 8: amazing project celebrating the fifty anniversary hip hop and its

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01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 8: intersection with sports.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious because I feel like I said, at

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01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: the intersection of sports and hip hop, and you didn't ask.

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01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 3: Me keys and participate. Why you didn't do that?

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01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 2: I Part two, the sequel, Part two Anniversary, the prequel.

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01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 2: I can participate there and.

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01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 3: You're participating now now.

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01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: Yes, people, Native Lampod talks about sports every week. Holler

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01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: at us, we need to be a part of that.

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Speaker 1: Nominated man, But honestly, seriously, Angela, congratulations. I think it's

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Speaker 1: amazing that you were nominated for three Emmys, and I

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01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: know that.

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Speaker 3: You are all three of us.

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01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: I think you're such hip hop heads, but you constantly

1414
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: when Angela host Native Lampid, y'all hear so many hip

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01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: hop puns like that is your lane and I love

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01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: to see it. So congrats, And you're one of the

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01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: most supportive people, not just for our friendship group, for

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01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: for every common threat of friendships that we have. So

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Speaker 1: I'm delighted to see you. Can I go with you

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Speaker 1: to the ceremony?

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Speaker 3: Is that, yes, the like have a plus one. Yes,

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01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 3: let's love to have.

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Speaker 2: A whole entourage.

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01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna go in with a whole entourage. Yes, So anyway,

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01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna have fresh off the wires, folks, Antoni a

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Speaker 1: three time Immy nominee. If you are an Emmy voter

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01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: for sports documentaries, we expect Antel will be a three

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01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 1: time winner the Crossover. It's available on ESPN now, So

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Speaker 1: truly congratulations. But in all honesty, that is.

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Speaker 2: Not the only reason exactly that we're talking about hip hop.

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01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: The other news coming out of the hip hop community

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01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: is this beef with Kendrick. I don't know if Kendrick's

1433
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 1: really in the beef, but J Cole okay, well he

1434
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: I haven't heard him respond to.

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01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 4: J Coleyrick started it.

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01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: But I mean the apology, respond to the apology. Let

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01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: me not confuse people. Angela, can you break down and

1438
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: explain to the viewers, because you probably have a better

1439
01:09:58,400 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 1: understanding of all this I do.

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01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 8: So what I think the data part is. Folks know

1441
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 8: that Kendrick was featured on a future metro Boomer record

1442
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 8: where he took a little jab at J Cole and

1443
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 8: Drake and he basically said it's not top three, it's

1444
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 8: not me and made it really really clear. J Cole

1445
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 8: responded in Seven Minute Drill, I actually have Kendrick and

1446
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 8: J Cole in my top five. And I was actually

1447
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 8: surprised by the quality of J Cole's verse. He started

1448
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 8: going in on Kendrick's albums, and I thought that he

1449
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 8: was not correct when he said that you're second. I

1450
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 8: quote for my church folks, your second ship put niggas

1451
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 8: to sleep, but they gassed it and that is to.

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01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 3: Pimp a butterfly. And I'm sorry. You do know that?

1453
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 3: All right is our anthem for all things?

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01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, like, what are we talking about? So I think

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01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 8: for me, I'm like, I don't know that that's accurate.

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01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 8: So j oh my theory of the case is as

1457
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 8: dope as he is. He rushed to put out seven

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01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 8: Minute Drill. The EP is dope. This is I think

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01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 8: the worst track on seven Minute Drill, and I don't

1460
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 8: think it was that good. So I think that's why

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01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 8: he apologized.

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01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: Well, before we get into it, I want to hear

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01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: the apology because in the apology I thought there was

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01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: a resonating message there that we should talk about.

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01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 2: So let's hear the apology and we'll talk about it one.

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01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 13: I know my heart, you know what I mean, and like,

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01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 13: I know how I feel about my peers, these two

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01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 13: niggas that I've just been blessed to even stand beside

1469
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 13: in this game, let alone chase chase their greatness, right,

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01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 13: So I felt conflicted because I'm like, bro, I know

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01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 13: I don't really feel no way, but the.

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Speaker 4: World want to see blood.

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01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 13: I don't know if y'all can feel that, but the

1474
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 13: world want.

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01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 4: To see blood.

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01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 13: So I say all of that to say, in my

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01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 13: spirit of trying to like get this music out, I

1478
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 13: ain't gonna lie to y'all. I moved in a way

1479
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 13: that was that I feel spiritually feel bad on me,

1480
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 13: like like I try to like jab my kick back

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01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 13: and try to keep it friendly. But at the end

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01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 13: of the day, when I listen to it and when

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01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 13: it comes out and I see the talk that don't

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01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 13: sit right with my spirit, that makes me feel that

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01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 13: shit disrupts my piece. So what I want to say

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01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 13: right here tonight is in the midst of me doing

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01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 13: that and and that shit trying to find a little

1488
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 13: angle and downplay this, this catalog in his greatness, I

1489
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 13: want to say, right now tonight, how many people think

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01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 13: Kendrick Lamar is one of the greatest mother of auch

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Speaker 13: of trust, a microphone.

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Speaker 1: Best coach, best I really I so to me, the

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01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: thing that stood out to me was he said the

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01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: world wants blood, and I think that is so true.

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01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: I think that we there is a coalition of folks

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01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: who benefit when we wore with each other. I think

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01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: hip hop has always been about social justice and about

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01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: what's reflecting what's going on, and then somewhere in the

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Speaker 1: commercialization of it, it does seem like it's about you know,

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01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: how much money I got, what kind of car I'm driving?

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01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: And I think I look at what's going on with

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01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: book bands and everything happening in the country, and I

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01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: considered J Cole more of a conscious rapper. Yeah, and

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01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: it was Kendrick and Kendrick. Look, we could do our

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01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: top five. I mean I think Kendrick is definitely up there,

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01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,719
Speaker 1: and so I hate to see people like this benefit

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01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: the spefing right.

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01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 3: Like as much.

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01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 8: As you say rap is about social justice and all

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01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 8: of it also is about flossing, and it.

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01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 2: Is ast about beef, and it's always been.

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01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 3: It has always been.

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01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 8: The first time it was ever taken that I know

1514
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 8: of where it has ever been taken seriously to the

1515
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 8: point of death is with Biggie and Pop.

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01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 3: And I think it.

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01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 8: Was interesting to me as conscious as he is, even

1518
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 8: if it was figuratively speaking j Cole referencing heat under

1519
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 8: the seat and.

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01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 3: Body bag body bag like, that's to me taking it

1521
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 3: too far.

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01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: So I do because I think they are unspoken rules

1523
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: about what's too far in a rap.

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01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 4: I mean he got up there and basically said he

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01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 4: loves it. Maybe maybe that he said all reflect as

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Speaker 4: I to get this out, I took on two dudes

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Speaker 4: who you know, I'm blessed to stand next. Well, maybe not.

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01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 2: He offered contrition.

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01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 4: It wasn't just condition, rather set an example for how

1530
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 4: you walk back from a public beef, whether you win, lose,

1531
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 4: or draw. He was in the he was in it.

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01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 4: They were in the mix against you know, each other

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01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 4: and Drake and an't said anything.

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01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 8: But that's if Drake don't say anything.

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01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 4: He said something. I hope he doubles down on what

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01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 4: we just saw.

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01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 8: Well, good luck with that, Bishop of the Redemptive Sheep

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01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 8: Missionary Church.

1539
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 4: It's easy to be a big person when you're big,

1540
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 4: but I.

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 3: Think a big guy is big. But also, Drake to

1542
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 3: me is pop wrap.

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01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 8: Drake to me is not hip hop, like Drake is

1544
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 8: the dude you know, is the light skinned dude that

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01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 8: collected all the bras thrown at him at his concerts.

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01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 4: Look, it's a place.

1547
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 3: Or place for Drake hip hop.

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01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: There is a place for Drake. I agree with that

1549
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: he spoke to it. We are I think we're respectfully

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01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: a little older, and I think there was some Drake

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01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: songs me too. But I think I think Drake spoke

1552
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: that like Insecure Each Crowd, the HBO series Insecurance.

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01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 8: I think that you could be burn a boy from

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01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 8: the continent and still be more happish.

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01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: Well, I think I think if we're talking about like

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01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: unspoken rules about what goes too far, the hardest that

1557
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: came out with the very first stance, that was that's

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01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: why fo by.

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01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 8: That was was Beggie.

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01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 2: I mean when you heard that so oft and then cool,

1561
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 2: mold and l O.

1562
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 1: Like since hip hop's inception, there's always been rap beef

1563
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: rap battles, but it was really about Even entertainer does

1564
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: a great what on that on Kings of Comedy where

1565
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,719
Speaker 1: he talks about the battles were different, and I just think,

1566
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: now it's it's gotten.

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01:15:58,640 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 2: I don't hae.

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01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 1: This sound like one of those people get off my lunch,

1569
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: But it's getting away from different.

1570
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 4: Is that you had this guy come out j Cole

1571
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 4: and do a public meakopa in that way, right, I.

1572
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:12,879
Speaker 2: Love that I was innovative.

1573
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 4: Actually we hadn't seen it can delve even deeper, right,

1574
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 4: I mean, are these beas go on? That's when there's

1575
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 4: a heat, That's when it gets heat under it. Folks

1576
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 4: from this crewe because it's not the it's never the

1577
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 4: artist that I'm worried about. I mean Biggie and Tupac.

1578
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 4: That happened at the extreme, but there were I would

1579
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 4: count them hundreds of bodies between East and West Coast

1580
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 4: that probably fell before those two guys fell, motivated and

1581
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 4: hyped up by that by the same music, right, and

1582
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 4: so all I'm saying is is we got to get

1583
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 4: a brother, salute wind, lose a drawer. That's that's the

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01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,959
Speaker 4: example that we ought to be seeing set.

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01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 3: You, but you really lost one. But the EP is good.

1586
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 3: Shout out to the EP.

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01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: And for those of you who are listening not watching,

1588
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: Angela is making all the faces.

1589
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 3: So if I love Jacob, I love that he did

1590
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 3: it at Dreamville.

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01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 8: I believe that he did this apology because he lost well.

1592
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: I believe hip hop always highlighted social justice issues from

1593
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: n w A, fuck the.

1594
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,719
Speaker 3: Police to self destruction.

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01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: Remember that, Yeah, And so I would love to see

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01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 1: more songs come out to highlight that. And I know

1597
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: we talk about a lot on this show. We can

1598
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: talk about very high level intellectual discourse about what's happening

1599
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill and foreign policy, and we can also

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01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: discourse about you know, who's our top five and brat beef.

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01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 1: So I would say to the folks, find you a

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01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: crew who can do both.

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01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 2: And that's what you got a Native.

1604
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 3: The next time he go out and apologize, he say,

1605
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 3: and please remember the vote.

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01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,560
Speaker 8: That's what I would like that very true, These platforms

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01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 8: for social justice and our collective advancement.

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01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 3: At some point.

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01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: We don't have time now, but at some point I

1610
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: think there is a discussion about some of these like

1611
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: fifty plus year old hip hop stars who are like

1612
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: pioneers who have shifted to a different political ideology, Like

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01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 1: I want nineteen ninety one ice Cube to meet twenty

1614
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 1: twenty four ice Cube.

1615
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 2: How that's changed. There's something to that. I don't know what.

1616
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 4: Love to visit our conversation on power.

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01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 8: The show or power power, dynastic power, the ability to

1618
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 8: achieve purpose or yeah use thereof man yeah power.

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01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: Well, if you guys want a ten hour Native Land pod,

1620
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: we are always up for that.

1621
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,879
Speaker 2: We because the conversation continues even after we're off there evidence.

1622
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: Now that we have gone through the rap beefs a

1623
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: rat bars, it is now time for calls to action.

1624
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: I y'all always try to make me go first, So

1625
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 1: now I'm not going first.

1626
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 2: He wants to go first.

1627
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 3: I can't go first. Poppy Jesus Christ.

1628
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,799
Speaker 4: Were just talking about can you now pocket?

1629
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 13: No?

1630
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 8: No, I can't pop it or no it was his

1631
01:18:56,160 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 8: stay on earlier appear here's oh yeah.

1632
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 3: My call to action is for you all.

1633
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 4: Two.

1634
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 3: I think this is my camera for you all.

1635
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 8: To please send in your questions, to please send in

1636
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 8: your comments.

1637
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 3: We like to stay engaged with you all. If you

1638
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 3: all disagree.

1639
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 8: With us today on who won the Kendrick versus j

1640
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 8: Paul so what, you can still share it.

1641
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 3: But so what, go vote, Go.

1642
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 1: Vote on who is the best lyricist, or vote in

1643
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 1: general on all the things votes.

1644
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 14: Game citizens like yuh big shout out to Jasmine Bernie Clark,

1645
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 14: who is the new name director State director for Biden

1646
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 14: in the state of Florida.

1647
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 4: And I call her out particularly because one she loves

1648
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 4: all the listeners to the show, but comes out of

1649
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 4: the tradition of community organizing and led one of the

1650
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 4: most successful community organ and groups in the state of

1651
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 4: Florida and got lifted into the political side. And the

1652
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 4: reason why I want to note this is a lot

1653
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 4: of times we look over the folks who are doing

1654
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 4: the laborious work of every day organizing inside and outside

1655
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 4: of elections campaigns could do a hell of a lot

1656
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 4: better for themselves if they actually stopped engaging these quote

1657
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 4: you know, strategists from season to season and get in,

1658
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 4: you know with folks who are really on the ground,

1659
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 4: know what they're doing, have relationship with community and can

1660
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 4: influence the culture of the campaign, so that the debate

1661
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 4: we had earlier about whether you pick marbles up or

1662
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 4: deal with the ones on the table, it's not a

1663
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 4: debate anymore. It's all of the above. And I think

1664
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 4: that that's what she's going to advance. So if you're

1665
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 4: in the state of Florida and you want to get

1666
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 4: involved in the campaign, reach out to them. We got

1667
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 4: a good leader there, somebody we can all stand behind.

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01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 1: I love that, and I think that's so true about

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01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: not you know, people who want to work in policies,

1670
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 1: not through the principle. There are so many and no

1671
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: matter I say, no matter what career you want to pursue,

1672
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: work on a campaign, there's always too much work, not enough.

1673
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 4: People work in the community.

1674
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, that's true. And work in the community. Angela,

1675
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 1: you do a really good job with like teaching young

1676
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: women with your professional development program.

1677
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 3: Young women and young men.

1678
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 2: I didn't know young.

1679
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 3: Men are in it.

1680
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 12: Oh.

1681
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 2: I love that.

1682
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: Angela every year has a cohort of folks every semester. Semester,

1683
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: that's our call to action.

1684
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 8: You know who hasn't given theirs yet? It's Tiffany, Yes, me,

1685
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 8: my actions, my call to action.

1686
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a damper, but my call

1687
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: to action is I feel really down sometimes, you know,

1688
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 1: like I don't know just everything happening in the world, and.

1689
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 2: I just get heavy.

1690
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 1: Uh, And I can feel really sad, and I imagine

1691
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: maybe a lot of our listeners do too, just feelings

1692
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 1: of isolation or helplessness, you know, and you look at

1693
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 1: what's happening in Gaza and on social media, it's all

1694
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 1: this bad news. And since being with you guys today,

1695
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: but also last night Andrew and I went to dinner,

1696
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: Angela rolled up on us. She'll drop that footago some

1697
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: but I just my spirits have been lifted. It's so fun.

1698
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: And this recording today, you guys were informing me. I'm like, oh,

1699
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: these are things that I didn't know, and it lifted

1700
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 1: my spirit. So my call to action is when you

1701
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: feel down, do not isolate. Go be around people, because

1702
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: we are not created to be islands. It really does

1703
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: lift our spirits and you are not alone and feeling down.

1704
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: I completely understand it, and that's why I want to

1705
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 1: be transparent in the times that I feel heavy, heavy hearted,

1706
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: and so for anybody who feels that way, go be

1707
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 1: in community, you know, go see people. And if you

1708
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: don't have good close personal friends, go create that and

1709
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: volunteer work. And you know, if you do things out

1710
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: of love and not to receive love, love finds you.

1711
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: So I want to encourage people to get out there

1712
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: and do that and be in community as best you can.

1713
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: And if you ever feel truly lonely, welcome home, y'all,

1714
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 1: because you're never.

1715
01:22:55,439 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 8: A welcome home Toatie from Andrew well, I think welcome

1716
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 8: a proper note. She has to go back and get

1717
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 8: that vote he throughout what that F bomb is going

1718
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 8: to be bleeped out.

1719
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 1: Well beyond Katie. If you are if you are down,

1720
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: you are always welcome here. So and if you want

1721
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 1: to get on camera and be seen, then, like Angela said,

1722
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: hop on camera. Send us your question or your comments,

1723
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,480
Speaker 1: if you want to weigh in. Welcome Thank you, everybody,

1724
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: Welcome home, everybody.

1725
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 3: Please.

1726
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: If you enjoyed the show, yes, walk.

1727
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 3: Home, Drake, I guess can you please get rid of

1728
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 3: the room of all.

1729
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 2: Of our listeners.

1730
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 1: Please be sure to review a subscribe to Native Land

1731
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 1: Pod honestly when you rate and review the show it

1732
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: helps growl this platform, so we implore you to do that.

1733
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: We are available on Yes, implore we need you to like, rate,

1734
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Speaker 1: and review the show, and rock with us and share

1735
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 1: the content. Some of these algorithms are trashed, so please

1736
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:47,839
Speaker 1: drop it in your group.

1737
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 3: Chat, share it roll at the bottom of the thing.

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01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 1: Now it's not it's not helping. But we're also available

1739
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: on all platforms and YouTube. The new episodes drop every Thursday.

1740
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 1: You can also follow us on social media. We are

1741
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: Tiffany Cross, angela Ryan Andrew Gillum. There are two hundred

1742
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: and seven days until election Day.

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01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 2: Welcome home, y'all.

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