1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace is the mystery surrounding the 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: disappearance of a beautiful woman cracked wide open by a 3 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: single tip from an eight year old boy on August fourth. 4 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: The New Albany Police Department's Control Division wasn't learned too 5 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: miss Hoover's disappearance. This information was relayed to the New 6 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: Albany Police Department by Miss Hoover's family, particularly her mother. 7 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: Officers from New Albany Police responded to the residents and 8 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: missus Hoover was not located at that time. Fast foreign 9 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: to August twenty seventh. Are criminal investigators of whom many 10 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: are in the room here today we're alerted that Miss 11 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: Hoover's disappearance may very well have been criminal in nature 12 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: based on that information. Are criminal investigators who high here. 13 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: It's spent countless hours uncovering the facts of this case. 14 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: You were hearing Chief Todd of Bailey with the New 15 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Albany Police, and you're hearing him talk about somehow trying 16 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: to explain how she's reported missing by her mother on 17 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: August the fourth, Okay, so August twenty seventh, and they 18 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: think maybe her disappearance could be criminal in nature. August 19 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: fourth to August twenty seven. It took him that long 20 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: to figure out, Hey, you know what, I think something's wrong. Well, 21 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm calling BS on that right at the get go again. 22 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nations 23 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: series Sex one eleven. Let me introduce to you our 24 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: all star panel joining me. Venu Varghese, criminal defense attorney, 25 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: former prosecutor at Varges and associates at vark East Law 26 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiachas, joining me from 27 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Chris Buyers, 28 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: the former police chief John's Creek, Georgia, twenty five years 29 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 1: as the cop, now private investigator and polygrapher, he said, 30 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: Chris Buyer's Investigations and polygraph dot com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville 31 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: State University. Author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, 32 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: now the star of a new series Poisonous Liaisons on 33 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: the True Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan, Sierra Gillespie with 34 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: me Crimoline dot com investigative reporter. You know, let me 35 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: just throw this at you first. Let me pick on you. 36 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: Chris By. Here's you're the former chief police in John's Creek, 37 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: twenty three days? Why is it? Why, Chief, when a 38 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: woman goes missing, everybody just assumes she shacked up with 39 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: some boyfriend in a hotel. Why why does it take 40 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: twenty three days to figure out, Hey, this could be 41 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: criminal in nature. Yeah, that is there's no excuse for that. 42 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: That is a huge mistake in this case. Precious, precious 43 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: evidence is missed within hours after someone going missing like this. 44 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: And yes, I'll just have to own that on behalf 45 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: of law enforcement. That too often we go into these 46 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: things and downplay what's going on and miss the criminal nature. Yeah, 47 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: there's no excuse for that in this case. I mean 48 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: venus var Geese, your former prosecutor, take off your defense 49 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: attorney hat. How many times have you seen, just for instance, 50 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: a teen girl goes missing and they say, oh, it's 51 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: a runaway. No, she's been kidnapped and she's now being 52 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: pimped out by some thug or a woman. Why is it? 53 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: Over and over and over? And I know you've used 54 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: this as a defense before. She's just off with her boyfriend. Hey, 55 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: do you remember Drew Peterson, He's still saying that about 56 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: his fourth wife, Stacy Peterson convicted on the murder of 57 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: his third wife, Kathleen Savio. He's still to this day, 58 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: has been what twenty years. Yeah, she left with her boyfriend. 59 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: Really well, I think you know, back in the day 60 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: when I was working at the DA's office in Brooklyn, 61 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, I would go to crime scenes investigate homicides, 62 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: and you know, in this thing, at this part of 63 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: the juncture, prosecutors aren't involved, right because it's just an investigation. 64 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: But normal police, you know, policing from you know, all 65 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: my experience and everything I've seen means you go and 66 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: investigate everything. You know, Vinnie Vergeese, I hear you, but 67 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: I specifically ask you to take off your defense hat, 68 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: and you did not do it. The point is, Joseph 69 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. While everybody twiddles their thumbs and seventy two 70 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: hours passed, the stats are after seventy two hours, the 71 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: victim is dead, statistically speaking, And while we sit around 72 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: and imagine her bumped up in a hotel with her 73 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: boyfriend having hot, crazy sex, which is very rarely the case, 74 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: she's dying. Yeah, she is Nancy, and it's a horrible 75 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: way to die. Hey, seventy two hours that's that's critical 76 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: because every moment, just like a chief virus had mentioned, 77 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: just a moment ago. You know, for every second that 78 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: ticks off of that clock. From an investigative standpoint, we're 79 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: losing precious time relative to her life. We're losing precious 80 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: time relative to even things like Tracey evidence. Things are 81 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: getting you know, pulled away from the case. They're getting 82 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: a rained on, or maybe they're getting disactivity that's going on. 83 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: Maybe he's going in to try to clean things up 84 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: with us. The friend the missing mom Rebecca Hover, Chris character, Chris, 85 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: what kind of mom was she? She would with them 86 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: every day all the time. She would call us in 87 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: that and she'd be out in the pool, sohere, I'm 88 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: with the kids in that her ear was going to 89 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: be gone off to work some other place and other 90 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: state for god knows how long or whatever. And she 91 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: was a sole provider for the kids, caregiver for the kids, 92 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: and she she would not be comfortable going twice hours 93 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: without seeing her kids. She had to come back here 94 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: and only a couple of times for friends with the family, 95 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: funerals or something like that. And she would only tell 96 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: them for one to two days and she would have 97 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: to go right back because she's just going to take 98 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: the air from her kids. No too, renowned psychiatrists joining 99 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: me Doctor Angela Arnold at angela Arnold md dot com. 100 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: I remember on the set of aheln I would be 101 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: so worried about the twins being with me working at night. 102 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: They finally installed the nannycam in the top of the desk. 103 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: Like the desk looks smooth if you were looking at me, 104 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: but I could look down at the desk and watch 105 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: the nannycam to know the twins are okay, so I 106 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: could focus on the crime at issue and the investigation 107 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: and hopefully get answers. Because I knew that the twins 108 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: are okay. I find it really hard to believe this 109 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 1: mom would just take off well. And also, Nancy, when 110 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: people around you know what kind of a mother you are. 111 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: People people look at mothers and how they treat their children, 112 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: and who spends time with their children and who doesn't 113 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: spend time with their children, And when people know about 114 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: the mother's habits are those are very true things that 115 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: are being said, and those habits don't change, and you 116 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: can't hide that from people. Her actions in the past 117 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: are definite, are definite predictors of her actions in the future. 118 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: And no, she would not leave these children for this 119 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: amount of time. As I always say, doctor Angela, when 120 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: you don't know a horse, look at her track record. 121 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: She had never once left them unannounced, which is what 122 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: has been claimed here, and I am not buying it. 123 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: For one minute, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we 124 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: are talking about the case of Rebecca. Is the mystery 125 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: surrounding the disappearance of this beautiful young mom cracked wide 126 00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: open by a single tip from an eight year old 127 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: boy out to longtime friend of Rebecca Hoovers, Chris character 128 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: way In. I knew Beccy probably close to thirty years. 129 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: I mean over over twenty close thirty. She was really outgoing, 130 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: very outspoken. She loves socialized, share lots of friends. She 131 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: she would do anything for anybody, and I know that 132 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: she absolutely loved her kids. You know, I'm curious. We 133 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: have the welfare check, the nine one one call placed 134 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: by her mother, Sierra Gillespie. What do we know about 135 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: the last time the mom spoke to Rebecca. So the 136 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: last time Rebecca and her mother spoke was on Saturday, 137 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: August two. They were on the phone it was late 138 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: at night, you know, just a normal call, nothing out 139 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: of the ordinary. But Rebecca's husband, Judson, had come home. 140 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: She saw him in the driveway and said to her 141 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: mom like, hey, he wants to talk. Let me just 142 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: call you later and we'll talk again later. Nothing out 143 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: of the ordinary. Ever, So nothing out of the ordinary 144 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: at all. To Chris, character friend of Rebecca's, Well, what 145 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: can you tell me about their relationship? I believe the 146 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: first I would say a couple of years were probably 147 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: pretty good, like a romance type stage where he got 148 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: her and kind of roped her. And I guess you'd say, 149 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: because if she experienced anything severely negative, I'll put it 150 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: that way with him, I would say in the first 151 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: year or two, Yeah, they wouldn't to stay together. For 152 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: her to stay with him, she definitely had to appear 153 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: to be a decent person right off the bat. Straight 154 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: out to Chris Buyer's former police ship John's Creek, Georgia, Chris, 155 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: in a case like this, what's the first thing police 156 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: should be doing? Certainly not waiting twenty three days before 157 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: they figure out something could be wrong, but what should 158 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: they be doing? Yeah? Absolutely, first thing you should be 159 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: looking into any type of history from that address with 160 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: any of you know, the people involved in it. First 161 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: of all, they got to do a welfare check. So 162 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: when you're going through a house like that, police often 163 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: make the mistake of just looking for a person. You 164 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: should be looking for everything, any type of evidence that 165 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: might be there that, as we stated earlier, could be 166 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: gone once you leave. But you start looking at credit 167 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: card receipts, you start looking at bank activity, you start 168 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: looking at social media, you start looking again what history 169 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: do you have there in the family, and you start 170 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: piecing all of that together. You do not wait for that. 171 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: You have to start that from the very beginning, because 172 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: again we've said time is ticking away and that's things 173 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: that you can lose and not get back. So they 174 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: should have been jumping on that to determine then is 175 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: this a criminal activity or again, as we discussed, is 176 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: it just someone who's gone missing. To you, Jess Scott Morgan, 177 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: why is it that seventy two hours the first seventy 178 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: two If you're talking about things from a forensic standpoint, 179 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: like fragile evidence, those things can be lost very very quickly. 180 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: So from my perspective as a forensic scientist, you have 181 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: to get in there and assess the situation. And I'm 182 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: thinking about things, Nancy, like blood evidence, for instance. Let's 183 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: just put it out there on the table. If you 184 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: have this, it can be stepped on, it can be removed, 185 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: it can be wiped up. So you have to get 186 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: in there. And that's so critical, Like Chris was mentioning 187 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: just a second ago about police actually going in and 188 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: looking not just for a person, but looking for any 189 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: kind of evidence of fourth centuries struggle. You're talking about 190 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: a mama here, Nancy. This is not somebody that's just 191 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: going to pick up and vanish into the air. So 192 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: you have to take a real long, critical look at 193 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: every aspect in this case. You know what you're making 194 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: me think of. Joe Scott Morgan is the Vanessa Gean 195 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: case in Fort Hood where she was called in on 196 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: her day off to the armory to work. She was 197 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: private first class who had wanted to go career Army. 198 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: Fort Hood said they did a thorough search of the armory. 199 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: It wasn't until weeks later when her body was found 200 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: burned dismembered cement poured onto her flesh, that we learned 201 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: she was bludgeoned dead in the armory bottom line. Yeah, 202 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: you've got all of this fragile blood evidence is there 203 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: and it's sitting there for weeks. Nancy. In this case, 204 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: we have to learn a lesson from the life lost 205 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: of Vanessa Gean, You know, we really do. And I 206 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: want to look at the area, joining me, Sirah Gillespie, 207 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: crimal line dot Com investigative reporter. It's in New Albany. Now, 208 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: there's Albany, New York, which eyes to capital there, and 209 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: there is Albany, Georgia. Where is New Albany. New Albany 210 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: is technically in Indiana, So this is like the southernmost 211 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: point of Indiana, right on the border of Kentucky. So honestly, 212 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: even though it's in Indiana, it's almost a suburb of Louisville, Kentucky. 213 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: You're like ten to fifteen minutes away from Louisville. And 214 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: that is beautiful rolling country where the horses are bread. 215 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: Isn't that right? I recall Kentucky derby horses being bred 216 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: in that area. Louisville is beautiful. What's the population and 217 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: I have a reason for this, Sire Gillespie. Yeah, so 218 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: the population of New Albany, it's about thirty six thousand people, 219 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: and compared to Louisville that's six hundred and two thousand people, 220 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: so it's much smaller. You know, that changes things, Chief 221 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: Chris Buyers, because when you have a really rural area 222 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: like where I grew up, that really reduces the suspect pool. 223 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: Although Chief Buyers, I don't know if you remember the 224 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: case of Shasta and Dylan grown knee that occurred in 225 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: Cord Delane, which is if you look an aerial view 226 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: as nothing but green, and the purp in that case 227 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: happened to be driving by on the interstate, looked off 228 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: and he saw Shasta and Dylan, a little boy and 229 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: his sister Shasta in there above ground pool, and right 230 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: then he laser locked on them and decided he was 231 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: going to get them to molest them. Goes in, wipes 232 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: out the whole family to get the two children. Then 233 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: he keeps them in captivity, and we learned that he would, 234 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: I mean raped both of them over and over and over, 235 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: the boy and the girl. But he would strangle the 236 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: little boy until he would almost die and then let 237 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: him come back to life over and over and over 238 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: and rape him while the sisters there they were only 239 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: safe when somebody in the mini mart saw Shasta grownee 240 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: following along behind him at like a gas station and 241 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: recognized her. My point is that was out an extremely 242 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: rural area in core Delay in Idaho, so that interstate 243 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: led to the crime. But generally speaking, Chief, when you 244 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: have a very rural area, it's not like you're in 245 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: New York City where you run into strangers every day 246 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: that could do you harm. Chief, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, so 247 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: much different than the urban areas where it's different crimes 248 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: of opportunity. When you're dealing in the rural areas, the 249 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: suspect pool narrows tremendously. You are looking for someone who 250 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: knows the victim, who's acquainted with them on a daily basis, 251 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: So it does change that considerable crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys, 252 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: we are talking about the sudden disappearance of Rebecca Hoover, 253 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:28,719 Speaker 1: a beautiful young mom. Did the whole investigation get cracked 254 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: wide open based on a single tip from an eight 255 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: year old boy? Listen to this. Rebecca Hoover was last 256 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: seen on August second. Chris character has known Rebecca and 257 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: her family for decades. He said this last month has 258 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: been hard on everyone who knew her, wondering reading, asking 259 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: people questions, trying if I know if anyone who second 260 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: of the couple has three children, all under the age 261 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: of thirteen, three children all under the age of thirteen. 262 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: Again with me, Vina Vargas, renowned a criminal defense attorney, 263 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: former prosecutor at Varhis Law dot com, doctor Angela Arnold, 264 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: psychiatrist joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Chris Buyer's 265 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: former police chief, John's Creek, Joseph Scott Morgan death investigator, 266 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: and Sierra Gillespie crime online dot com investigative reporter. I've 267 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: mentioned to you, did the case get cracked wide open 268 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: by an eight year old boy? To Chris character friend 269 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: Auvrey Becca's was there a search going on for her 270 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: at the beginning? I am aware at first, I don't 271 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: think so. I think the real criminal likes investigation took 272 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: place once her son made the statement of the teacher. 273 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: I think at that point is when they really kicked 274 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: it into high gerad. They're like, Okay, this isn't just 275 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: a christ Off wife that took off scilly from her 276 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: husband or something like that. Absolutely think they finally realized, Okay, 277 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: there's something bad has happened. Why did it take a 278 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: tip from an eight year old boy to get law 279 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: enforcement off its rear end and investigate this case? Take 280 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends. W A v. E. Three 281 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Pace an unimaginable death at the hands of her husband. 282 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: Police believe Rebecca Hoover was last seen on August second. 283 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 1: After further investigation, police believe that's the day her husband, 284 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: Judson Hoover, killed Rebecca inside their home in front of 285 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,479 Speaker 1: their eight year old son. Her longtime friend, Chris Character, 286 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: told me the couple had a history of an abusive relationship. 287 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: According to the probable cause affidavit, Hoover's son told his 288 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: elementary school counselor that his dad killed his mom in 289 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: the basement. He said he saw his dad stomp on 290 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: his mom repeatedly and stab her in the stomach until 291 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: she was unconscious. Hoover confessed to strangling his wife in 292 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: court Thursday. No cameras were allowed inside. The fifty year 293 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: old told the judge he put her body in a 294 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: container at a New Albany storage unit about five minutes 295 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: from their home. We found a similar container behind his 296 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: house Thursday after police questioned Hoover about Rebecca's disappearance. He 297 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: moved her body to a different storage unit in Louisville. 298 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: That's where police found her on August thirty. First, let 299 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: me understand this, Sierra Gillespie, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. 300 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: They don't know what happened until the eight year old 301 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: son tells the teacher he saw daddy stopping on mommy 302 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: on the stairway and then stabbing her. They waited till 303 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: a little boy cracks the case open for them. Is 304 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: that what happened? Sierra? Essentially, he is the biggest tip 305 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: that kind of moves the case forward. Police did discuss 306 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: with Judson Hoover and ask him questions initially after Rebecca 307 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: had first been reported missing, and that's when he moved 308 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: the body from the original storage unit in Indiana to 309 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: one in Kentucky in Louisville. But really things didn't get 310 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: going until her eight year old son came forward to 311 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: his elementary school guidance counselor. Now, let me understand, Sierah Gillespie. 312 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: He murders her in the family home. Correct, Yes, in 313 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: the family home, in the basement. I find it really 314 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 1: hard to believe Joe Scott Morgan really hard to believe. 315 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: The cops come to the home and she has been 316 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: stomped twenty times in the head at least and stabbed, 317 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: and there's no blood evidence for them to find nothing. Well, 318 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: from my understanding, Nancy, they did find what appears to 319 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: be some blood evidence at the base of the staircase. 320 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: But this goes to a bigger issue that we've mentioned 321 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: a couple of times thus far. You've got so much 322 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: time that has lapsed off the clock. There's plenty of 323 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: time to go back and clean up, Nancy. And this 324 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: goes to the horrific nature of this that this guy 325 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: could do this in front of an eight year old 326 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: and then he transfers the body into not just a container, Nancy, 327 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: a fifty five gallon oil drum, okay, and he stores 328 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: her body and then moves it around. He's had a 329 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: lot of time to think about this, to prep to 330 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: destroy evidence, to wipe up evidence, and to complete a 331 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: complete a completely different scenario than what actually happen. Jess Scott, 332 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: when did they see When the cops see the blood, 333 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: you know, I think that it was subsequent to a 334 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: follow up, a follow up search of the residence at 335 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: that point in time, So that gives us an indication 336 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: that maybe, just maybe something could have been done. You know, 337 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make sense of what you just said. 338 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: Let's talk, regular people talk. Did he did police see 339 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: the blood before or after they found her body? And 340 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: I guess you would say a ben at a storage unit? 341 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: When did they see the blood on the stairs. It's 342 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: my understanding they saw the blood after they had discovered 343 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: the body. Okay, so let me circle back with you, 344 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: Joe Scott on my original question. My original question, much 345 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: like with Vanessa again, is it's really hard for me 346 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: to believe she's reported missing by her mother. Police come 347 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: to the house and they don't see any blood. They 348 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 1: see nothing. How can you not see the blood on 349 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: the stairway. How can you not talk to the children. 350 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: The blood is right there. Even after they find her body. 351 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: Twenty three days later they find her body, the blood 352 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: is still there. That means they didn't look, Joe Scott 353 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: and again the coast, Why am I having to I'm 354 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: a JD, not a DDS. I don't know how to 355 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: pull teeth. They didn't even look, Joe Scott. No, they didn't, 356 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: and they should have at that point in tom because 357 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: that would have given them some indication of something terrible 358 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: has happened. They didn't thoroughly go through this, Nancy. This 359 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: is not this is not just some random person that's 360 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: disappeared off the face of the planet. This is a mama, Nancy. 361 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: This is a mama that's got small children. And you've 362 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: already got this here. You know, how can you're in 363 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: a rural area. How can you not know as a 364 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: police officer that there's been domestic problems in this house? 365 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: I mean, we've heard the term violence thrown around prior 366 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: to her death, So how can you not be in 367 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: tuned to that? Is what I'm saying. That is you 368 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: have to have all of the information when you show 369 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: up in the police. At police in this rural area, 370 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: they know what's going on at any how many times 371 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: have they been called out there before? That That gives 372 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: me pause. I want to know what has happened at 373 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: this location previously. So if you're aware of it, you're 374 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: gonna know, hey, look that address comes up. You know, 375 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to be really tuned in to what's happening here. 376 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: Obviously they weren't, And to you then a Vargeese criminal 377 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: defense attorney at Vargeese and yet so you can find 378 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: him at Vargeese Law dot com venu. The reality is 379 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: is her mother reports her missing, not the husband. That 380 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: always is a red flag to me. But she's reported 381 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: missing on August two. He files for divorce on August three. 382 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean, don't you think you ought to tell your 383 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: clients not to do, not to pull a move like that. 384 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: This reminds me of Dave Chappelle in his last Netflix 385 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: special when he's talking about R Kelly and having a 386 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: video where R Kelly says he's having sex with fourteen 387 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: year old girls. Chappelle says, you gotta leave you lawyers 388 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: something to work with. And in this situation, this guy telegraphed, 389 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: he's it almost like you wanted to get caught. You know, 390 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: he's putting her with his video cameras. I mean, they 391 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: have this thing called you Adore It. They had signed 392 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: there you adore it, we store it. I mean, like, 393 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: you can't get any worse than this than this case. 394 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: And then look, I mean divorcing a dead woman. That's 395 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: I mean talk quite an uncontested divorce. I mean, and guys, 396 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: I know that you just heard viny of our geese laugh. 397 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: Can I tell you something, don't hold that against him, 398 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: because when you deal with murder and child molestation every day, 399 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: we're talking about how this guy basically took out a 400 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: billboard on Madison Avenue. I did it, and about his 401 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: own stupidity. Like r Kelly and the Chappelle special. We 402 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: are not in any way making light of the disappearance 403 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: of this woman. But you know, any of our geese, 404 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: you know, I've seen it. In all the years that 405 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: I prosecuted, you kind of develop a dark humor where 406 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: it's actually easier to laugh at the defendants moves than 407 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: to face the fact that he murdered the mom in 408 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: front of the eight year old little boy. I don't 409 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: like to think about it, and you know I'm thinking 410 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: about it, Doctor Angela Arnold. Yes, ma'am, I want to 411 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: tell you something. We haven't brought up the little boy, 412 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: the eight year old, to crack the case open. He 413 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: was there and call nine one one, ran next door 414 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: and call nine one one on a previous event where 415 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: the husband beat Rebecca fifteen to twenty times in the face, 416 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: neck and head, and the little boy. I just hate 417 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: it so bad. The little boy ran next door to 418 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,959 Speaker 1: call nine one one to save his mother's life, and 419 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: he's going to probably have survivor guilt the rest of 420 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: It's worse. It's actually worse than that, Nancy. There is 421 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of research that shows 422 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: that children who witness the abuse of their mother have 423 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: a much more difficult time than if they were actually 424 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: being abused themselves. It is more abusive to a child 425 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: to witness the abuse of their mother than it is 426 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: that the abuse were being keaped on them. I wonder 427 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: why that is. I think that you know, with my children, 428 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm the first thing they see in the morning, the 429 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: last thing they see at night. And I know how 430 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: I am with my mother who lives with us. Now 431 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: that's the strongest relationship they have in their life, and 432 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: they'll probably go the rest of their life wondering what 433 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 1: could alternate about this, even though there was nothing they 434 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: could have done exactly, I mean, well, and it makes 435 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: them feel so helpless at a certain point in their development, 436 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: doesn't it. And their left with their mother, their primary careacter, 437 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: the woman they loved with all their hearts, the woman 438 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: that is supposed to be there for them. First of all, 439 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: they're watching her be bludgeoned by their father, so they 440 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: have no safety net at their four anymore, and they 441 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: can't do anything to help. They're they're just senseless about 442 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: doing anything to help trail. This guy left a mile 443 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: telling the teacher lands counselor that daddy murderd Mommy take 444 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: listen to our friend. Gilbert Corsi, a w d Rbanies. 445 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: Police say Rebecca Hoover was last seen August second. Her 446 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: husband filed for divorce the very next day. More warning 447 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: signs on social media. One of her last Facebook posts 448 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: says Judson left with their kids and dog. Another days 449 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: earlier says I've been tracked, hacked and spied on. Rebecca 450 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: Hoover saying she felt shattered and needed a hug or 451 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: a friend. Character says it's the last time they communicated. 452 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: For her to put up with this as long as 453 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: she did with him is really shocking to me. The 454 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: Corner's Office in Louisville confirmed that Rebecca Hoover's body was 455 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: found in a unit here at this public storage off 456 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: Strawberry Lane on Monday. They confirmed it was her, with 457 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: a tattoo on her back. Authorities would not release the 458 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: cause of death, police only saying they have strong evidence 459 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: that Hoover is responsible for her death. To Chris Character, 460 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: a longtime friend of Rebecca Hoover, what do you think happened? 461 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,719 Speaker 1: I believe that earthly that took place was. Oh, I know, 462 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: it was all premeditated. He intended on killing her. He 463 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: knew that he was going to kill her, and she 464 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: she basically just told her he was going to kill her. 465 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: And I believe after his fiftieth birthday, I believe it 466 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: was he posted online and he made a comment on 467 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: there and it's still better to today and it said 468 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: it was something to her arts too. Thank you everybody 469 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: for all the happy fiftieth birthday wishes and for making 470 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: it a great day, and for the one that ruined it. 471 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: Your day is your days are numbered dot dot dot 472 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: that now from the day he posted that, sure the 473 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: day he actually killed her, I believe was. I think. 474 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: And all those clues were there on Facebook when she 475 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: was reported missing. All the clues were sitting there, and 476 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: it took place twenty three days and an eight year 477 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: old eyewitness coming forward off his own volition was never 478 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: questioned at the time to crack the case. So what's 479 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: your theory, Chris Karecre I believe it was all set up. 480 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: I believe because he had already had the storage units, 481 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: he had already had the barrel at the house. He 482 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: rented a hotel room the day the day he killed her, 483 00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 1: or the day before, and he rinted it for a 484 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: couple of days. But then he came back to the house. Well, 485 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: if you were leaving and you were going to come 486 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: back to the house, and you knew you weren't going 487 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: to come back here, you were in this hotel for 488 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: a few days, let's come back. Because he wanted to 489 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: use the hotel as an alibiy the no I left, 490 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: I've been gone. We were staying at the hotel. I 491 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: haven't been back there, And he used that time as 492 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: when he went back there. She was on the phone 493 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: with her mom, talking to her mom or whatnot, and 494 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: then she told her mom a raider and that was 495 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: the last time anyone ever spoke to her. Shortly after 496 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: that is when he killed her. To Chris Buyer's former 497 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: police chief John's Creek, Georgia and now you can find 498 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: him at Chris Buyer's investigations in polygraph dot com. Chief 499 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: I hate to come down on cops because they were 500 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: my star witnesses in so many cases for so many years. 501 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: But to wait on an eight year old boy too 502 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: of his own volition go to a guidance counselor daddy 503 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: there on Facebook is still there today, her saying I've 504 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: been trailed, I've been hacked, I've been mistreated. I want 505 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: to hug that. That breaks my heart. And all the 506 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: signs were there. Chief, absolutely, there's no excuse for it. Again, 507 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: you go back to the very first day that the 508 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: Uniform Patrol Division, I believe the chief said, went to 509 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: the house to do the welfare check. If you'll take 510 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: your eyes off of just looking for the person and 511 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: would drop down and look at the evidence that was 512 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: on the stairs, the blood evidence. You have to be 513 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: looking for those things from the beginning. You have to 514 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: go into every call that you're looking for a criminal 515 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: activity that did not happen in this case. If you 516 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: would look at the call history, the fact that there 517 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: was an abusive history, all of the different things played 518 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: into that. Look at the credit cards. You have to 519 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: use credit cards to rent. I believe I even read 520 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: somewhere that he had rented a van days before you've 521 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: got the barrels that are there, you've got all of 522 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: the evidence that was there that should have been followed 523 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: up on from the time you walked into that house. 524 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: You know, back in twenty eleven here just outside of 525 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: Metro Atlanta, we had a case of little girl, Jorellis Riviera, 526 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: who went mistigan an apartment complex and police searched vacant 527 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: apartments and she was found three days later. And when 528 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: they went back into one of the ones that was searched, 529 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: that's where she was killed. There was blood evidence there. 530 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: Nobody spoke up because they weren't looking for it. They 531 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: weren't going into it looking for a crime. And that's 532 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: what happened here. It's just they dropped their guard. It's 533 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: just not the way you go into these cases. It's 534 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: not the way you investigate this. And and yeah, if 535 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: they'd have found that blood the day they walked in there, 536 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: I believe it would have changed the entire you know, 537 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 1: at least outcome. At least wouldn't have taken this long 538 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: to figure out what was going At least it wouldn't 539 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: take the little boy for the rest of his life. 540 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: Remembering he went and told a teach and that's how 541 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: they found mommy. And it's not just that there is 542 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: video surveillance showing the husband moving a fifty five gallon 543 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: drum from a storage unit after police search his home. Absolutely, 544 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: and if they would have looked at credit card receipts 545 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: or found that he had rented, if they would have 546 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: gotten that quicker and seen that video. But because they 547 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: didn't do those initial things. You know, you should always 548 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: go into these cases with a baseline. You should have 549 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 1: a missing person checklist. You go in and at least 550 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: do the minimum, and then you look at the history, 551 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: you look at all that surrounds this individual case, and 552 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: you move up from there. You let the facts drive 553 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: the case. And clearly that did not happen in this 554 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: Tame Sierra Gillespie. This guy, the killer, Judson Hoover, pled guilty. 555 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: He said he wanted to spare his children from having 556 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: to testify. That's bs he played guilty because he caught 557 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: dad to rights. And there's the death penalty in this 558 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: jurisdiction in Indiana. What will his sentence be so him 559 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: right now, it's still kind of up in the air 560 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: what the official sentence will be, but he is slated 561 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: to be sentenced in October of this year. I understand 562 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: that the only sentence has got to be life, and 563 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: if you know, I think they should have taken this 564 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: case to trial and sought the death penalty for what 565 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: he did, not just to his wife, Rebecca Hoover, but 566 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: to the children that saw him kill Mommy. We wait 567 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,