Speaker 1: Still The Place with Laura Layton, Courtney thorn Smith.
Speaker 2: And daphnews Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 3: Hire for a recap, Yeah the Place, guys. We are
Speaker 3: getting so close to the end of the season, and yeah,
Speaker 3: it's sort of like the up and down of energy
Speaker 3: of the episodes, like really fun stuff is starting to happen,
Speaker 3: and then we have this one. It's a little bit yeah,
Speaker 3: a little bit more emotional, a little bit a little
Speaker 3: bit more down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good though. I thought everyone, especially Andrew, really
Speaker 1: hit the mark on this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He had a lot to do. He had the most
Speaker 1: to do for sure.
Speaker 3: This episode is called end Game and it was written
Speaker 3: by Frank South, directed by James Frawley. And I would
Speaker 3: like to start by pointing out at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the episode that the pool cleaner is not Matt still
Speaker 3: because you asked him. It's still not Matt. No, I'm
Speaker 3: just noting like I saw that.
Speaker 2: You just ask your husband in the other room if
Speaker 2: he's ever cleaned the pool off.
Speaker 1: Him?
Speaker 4: I mean, oh, you can't identify him.
Speaker 3: Did you not notice the pool cleaner?
Speaker 1: It looks like that.
Speaker 4: I think it looks like Doug.
Speaker 1: You think it looks like Doug. Yes, yeah, you please
Speaker 1: just ask him? Will hold funny?
Speaker 3: Okay, So the second episode in the row you in
Speaker 3: a row, you guys think it's Doug, and I'm convinced
Speaker 3: it's not.
Speaker 1: It's it's not.
Speaker 2: I had a note this time it is Doug and
Speaker 2: it was the same guy that it's just from the
Speaker 2: back of the head and the camera moves in over him.
Speaker 2: But I thought, I don't know, it looked like Doug.
Speaker 1: Did you ask him, Laura, I hear you have ads hysterical.
Speaker 1: You please just ask him. You know, in the next room.
Speaker 1: We make it such a mystery. He's literally right over
Speaker 1: there working out.
Speaker 3: Probably Yeah, I do know where he usually hangs out,
Speaker 3: so I I can confirm it is not Doug. Oh okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just think it's hysterical that you wrote the note
Speaker 3: that it's definitely Doug the and I wrote not that
Speaker 3: it's definitely Well, you you might know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just maybe you should just take my word for it.
Speaker 2: Well, don't you remember Scotty the props guy props He
Speaker 2: used to do it all the time, and I really
Speaker 2: haven't seen him yet.
Speaker 1: Maybe he came like the regular pool guy later.
Speaker 3: Right, I think he hasn't started being the pool guy
Speaker 3: and maybe whoever this guy is, because we only see
Speaker 3: this guy's back, Yeah, this pool Guy's back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, he's not going to be surprised to know that
Speaker 4: this episode is not actually about the pool Guy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it really feels like we're land Pipe.
Speaker 3: Really, it's not remotely like that. I was so surprised
Speaker 3: to find that we both had notes on it and
Speaker 3: we were on such different pages of news. It's like
Speaker 3: nearly irrelevant.
Speaker 2: But so in order to bring managed expectations for the audience,
Speaker 2: bring your mood back down to the soffer.
Speaker 3: Land episode is not about the pool or the pool guy.
Speaker 1: What is it about?
Speaker 3: It is mainly about I have to say, this is
Speaker 3: what this episode is mainly about, Billy finding out that
Speaker 3: his father has suddenly passed away from heart attack. So
Speaker 3: it's kind of an emotional episode throughout, and it's definitely
Speaker 3: the main story is his journey through that. And at
Speaker 3: the start of the episode, he's back in his lonely
Speaker 3: empty apartment because Alison is gone in Seattle and it
Speaker 3: is just him in his ratty dust chair since he's
Speaker 3: also a man the chair see in his ugly chair
Speaker 3: and sadly. He learns early on that his father has
Speaker 3: had a massive heart attack and has died, and Billy
Speaker 3: struggles with his emotions for the whole episode. He sort
Speaker 3: of buries him deep, but he also is considering taking
Speaker 3: over his dad's furniture store, which he thinks would have
Speaker 3: made his dad proud. And so the gang at Melrose
Speaker 3: Place is trying to support Billy while he's really unemotional
Speaker 3: and they're concerned, and Amanda tries to console him too
Speaker 3: by suggesting that she spend the night with him.
Speaker 2: She shows up of the shadows one night in the courtyard,
Speaker 2: is very bizarre, rude.
Speaker 3: Out of the shadows, saying hey, rude, yeah, and but
Speaker 3: admirably he even turns her down, which I was pleased.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even when she kissed him really slowly.
Speaker 3: Very provocatively, come on sure, and he manages to say nope,
Speaker 3: I think I need to just be alone tonight. So
Speaker 3: he is. However, he does seem to be interested in
Speaker 3: talking to Allison after he hears a voicemail from her
Speaker 3: on his answering machine, and then he's disappointed to only
Speaker 3: reach Keith when he tries to return Ali.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well I'll wait to later go ahead, so
Speaker 1: much to say about it?
Speaker 3: So you just Keith is like a trigger word.
Speaker 1: It's like, wait, he's not even in the episode. He's
Speaker 1: pissing me off again. Yeah, I just.
Speaker 2: I don't think William Moses would want to be a guest,
Speaker 2: even if.
Speaker 1: He be like, you have no thank you, ladies.
Speaker 3: It's all we're really just just annoyed with Keith. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we love Billy Moses, lovely Keith character. But then Allison
Speaker 3: shows up at the cemetery right after the funeral. She's
Speaker 3: delivered in a cab, just as the service is finished.
Speaker 4: And how much did you guys, I think we'll get
Speaker 4: to it, but how much do you guys think?
Speaker 1: Finally, well, I just felt like it was perfect.
Speaker 3: But of course when she lands there, she's there just
Speaker 3: in the moment to witness Amanda doing another like sort
Speaker 3: of sidling up to Billy.
Speaker 2: She lands at Lax by the way, not that rinky
Speaker 2: DNK Valley Airport, I'm sure, yeah, Elia, it's the famous
Speaker 2: sort of Jetson's building.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we actually shot an churistic episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and so when she sees Amanda sort of you know,
Speaker 3: snuggling up to Billy, she's a look weirded down. Amanda
Speaker 3: also manages to sneak in a comment to Allison about
Speaker 3: how tired Billy was the night before, but then Billy
Speaker 3: both emotionally and.
Speaker 1: Physics just in case he didn't get my drift.
Speaker 3: And then Billy assures Allison that he and Amanda are
Speaker 3: indeed broken up, and he invites Alison to come spend
Speaker 3: the night at her old apartment. And so that night,
Speaker 3: Alison and Billy talk and they're sitting in the empty
Speaker 3: living room with only the chair, and.
Speaker 1: Even Allison doesn't want to sit on it. She's like you, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: on the floor. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: But this is where sort of the emotional cracks begin
Speaker 3: to show for Billy, and he eventually ends up breaking
Speaker 3: down with Alison after he lets off some steam at
Speaker 3: the pier. They're playing some games where he just throws
Speaker 3: the heck out of some baseballs and tries to break
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff, but he ultimately ends up crying
Speaker 3: on Alison's shoulder, and he reveals to her his wish
Speaker 3: that he had told his father that he loved him,
Speaker 3: and Alison tells Billy that his father knew that he
Speaker 3: loved him because there's an invisible line connecting people who
Speaker 3: love each other.
Speaker 1: I think all this double on tundra and.
Speaker 4: Say it, just say it.
Speaker 3: Of course it's coming back. So then when Billy feels
Speaker 3: like more at peace with things the next day, he
Speaker 3: even has a random philosophical conversation about heaven. The next
Speaker 3: day with Joe, we'll talk about that too.
Speaker 1: And then before.
Speaker 3: Alison flies back to Seattle, she and Billy attend a
Speaker 3: brunch with his sister and his mom, where Billy's mom
Speaker 3: tells Billy that she has sold the furniture store because
Speaker 3: Billy's father would have preferred and he would have wanted
Speaker 3: Billy to be a writer. She then asks Alison to
Speaker 3: read a letter out loud that Billy's father had written
Speaker 3: to him, and the letter says all the things that
Speaker 3: Billy had needed to hear, including that his father loves
Speaker 3: him and is so proud of Billy and his talent
Speaker 3: for writing. So then at the airport again, Billy is
Speaker 3: taking Allison there to fly back to Seattle. They're reluctant
Speaker 3: to say goodbye. They're both saying how much they've missed
Speaker 3: each other, and Alison decides at the last minute to
Speaker 3: tell Billy that she doesn't want to go back.
Speaker 1: She doesn't like it there, she missed.
Speaker 3: Billy and everything else here, and Billy is a static
Speaker 3: and he tells her that she should absolutely stay then,
Speaker 3: and she agrees, and then they spin around in the
Speaker 3: airport terminal like in an ice skating duo, in a
Speaker 3: total embrace, as only people do when they're you know,
Speaker 3: totally in love but really only just friends.
Speaker 2: Wonderful angle, high camera angle, so you could see down
Speaker 2: him spinning hopefully noting anybody knocking anybody over.
Speaker 3: It was a very cute and romantic way to end
Speaker 3: that storyline in the episode. But meanwhile, there's a There's
Speaker 3: a There's a B story where Michael and Kimberly are
Speaker 3: heating up, with her complaining about her apartments, bad management
Speaker 3: and faulty pipe maintenance, and it sort of becomes a
Speaker 3: very thinly disguised metaphor for everything that she needs and.
Speaker 2: Thinks zero disguised, Laura, zero disguise and fair.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: I was going to say, does anyone do a pointed
Speaker 4: line better than Marcia?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: I mean, so obvious, so fun.
Speaker 3: Everything she says, it's like, you know, if only you
Speaker 3: weren't married to someone else is basically, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: All so yeah.
Speaker 3: Their scenes are super loaded with innuendo and tension, and
Speaker 3: Michael ends up at her place fixing her literal pipes,
Speaker 3: and you can see that he's clearly torn. He's, you know,
Speaker 3: revealing his desire to give in to this mutual attraction
Speaker 3: with her. But thankfully he does walk away, and he
Speaker 3: does go home to Jane.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that.
Speaker 3: And we also follow, yeah.
Speaker 1: Thank god.
Speaker 3: We also follow Randa and Terrence and the too close
Speaker 3: for Comfort decorator undercase. Terrence an ultimatum saying either carry
Speaker 3: goes or she does, and Terrence says, all right, Randa,
Speaker 3: you you go ahead and fire her yourself, though only
Speaker 3: after a few very annoying Terrency comments about loving seeing
Speaker 3: Ronda so jealous.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but she shut him right down. This is
Speaker 1: not funny. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So. And then Matt also uses this moment and the
Speaker 3: loss of Billy's father to reconnect with his own father,
Speaker 3: and they have a really nice scene towards the end
Speaker 3: of the episode, not cleaning the pool, but where they
Speaker 3: agreed you really get to know each other, Mount and
Speaker 3: his father and they agreed to spend time together more often.
Speaker 3: It's very sweet. And the episode has sort of got
Speaker 3: an overall theme of love and expressing your true feelings.
Speaker 2: Everyone else could happen kind of thing. I think the
Speaker 2: death of that heart attack really took everyone.
Speaker 1: You gotta like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was a really deep episode of my
Speaker 4: was place in terms of everyone's reaction too. It's the
Speaker 4: first time they kind of had this is the theme
Speaker 4: and everyone's reaction to this event, right. I thought that
Speaker 4: the way people are trying to show up for Billy
Speaker 4: was so sweet. Him not being able to deal with
Speaker 4: it was so interesting, and then watching each person have
Speaker 4: their own experience of what it feels like. We were young, right,
Speaker 4: probably I certainly hadn't lost a parent yet. Had you
Speaker 4: guys lost a parent? Yeah, at that point you had.
Speaker 3: That was a huge deal. And it was you know,
Speaker 3: Billy Billy being shut down and unable to experience his
Speaker 3: emotions and like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I got it, I'm fine the whole
Speaker 2: beginning of it. In fact, nothing he didn't let he
Speaker 2: thought he had to step into his dad's footsteps, which
Speaker 2: is probably a common you know, think thinking your head
Speaker 2: is like, oh, I guess I'm the man now or something.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going to take over the store.
Speaker 2: But it was all above, you know, in the head,
Speaker 2: no emotion until until you know who comes to town
Speaker 2: and he can be himself.
Speaker 1: And it was such a beautiful scene that with.
Speaker 2: Billy and Allison, don't you think when they were at
Speaker 2: the pier, like you said, and he's just telling the
Speaker 2: truth and just in a side for that peer that
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have ever been there
Speaker 1: outside of shooting the scene. And to that arcade there's a.
Speaker 2: Wonderful carnal coaster and carnival games and you know, Mary
Speaker 2: Ground is very childlike and very innocent and soft, and
Speaker 2: I just thought it was a great place to do it,
Speaker 2: he said, He said, my dad used to take me here,
Speaker 2: and so he's reminiscing to when he was young.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah we did. But we're going way to
Speaker 4: the end. Can we go a little bit to the beginning,
Speaker 4: because well, and that was the episode. Yeah, so good
Speaker 4: to see you guys. I want to talk about the
Speaker 4: first scene for a second, right because it spends with
Speaker 4: Billy in bed and then you see Alison and I'm
Speaker 4: in this really weird white satin negligee and this bra
Speaker 4: so I've told you guys like I was very chesty,
Speaker 4: and I was very self conscious about it. So it's
Speaker 4: just thinking this poor costumer. They must have said in
Speaker 4: a White Negligee, Now, can you imagine any worse words?
Speaker 4: If you're conscious about self consciou about your body and
Speaker 4: your breast anyway, And we're gonna.
Speaker 1: Pull it from our dynasty closet.
Speaker 4: By the way, you're going toraw like from the thing
Speaker 4: looked like it was made of iron, and this weird
Speaker 4: negligent and I'm doing this sort of film noir monologue
Speaker 4: and he's having a dream about me being there. But
Speaker 4: I was just like, oh, I can't even imagine what
Speaker 4: the costume you remember shooting it? I don't, but I
Speaker 4: can promise you I probably blacked out. I probably blacked out,
Speaker 4: but I look was so uncomfortable. I just look comfortable.
Speaker 3: Let's also point out this is another one of Billy's
Speaker 3: dream sequences, right, So he dreamed Alison up in this
Speaker 3: White Negligee and she's there, like, you know, speaking like
Speaker 3: she's in a nineteen twenties movie. And it's so funny
Speaker 3: that he that there's this recurring theme of him having
Speaker 3: these dreams, but this one even though, like Allison's appeared
Speaker 3: to him in this like lovely look for him, it's
Speaker 3: still a nightmare because the reality of the broad No,
Speaker 3: because she's saying, because she's saying, you know, you blew it, Billy, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you blew it. Literally, I'm still in Seattle. I'm going
Speaker 3: to wake up with Keith and your spirit and you're
Speaker 3: still alone. And he wakes up to realize that, Yep,
Speaker 3: that was a bad dream because I am, you know,
Speaker 3: still alone. She's still gone. I'm still alone in this
Speaker 3: apartment with just my jink.
Speaker 2: But it's funny you say that look for that it's
Speaker 2: his vision and it is a satiny sort of look.
Speaker 2: She belongs on like a fifty year old woman or
Speaker 2: something with all this lace and floral stuff or something,
Speaker 2: but it's white. And then you go to his home
Speaker 2: and his sister's childhood home with this floral and flower
Speaker 2: on the flower paper, and you're like, yeah.
Speaker 1: That would be Billy's sexy Emma, Yeah, I don't I
Speaker 1: would fit in.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I have some thoughts about Billy's like the home setting
Speaker 3: and the like dynamic with his mom and his sister
Speaker 3: who comes in for the funeral and all that The
Speaker 3: funny thing is that you looked great in the Little
Speaker 3: Nighty Courtney, And I'm sorry it brought up like feelings
Speaker 3: of you know, ooh and scary and vulnerable, but you
Speaker 3: looked great.
Speaker 4: I was just remembering how it felt, and I was like, God,
Speaker 4: that's a bra, Like I was just so self conscious
Speaker 4: and I just wanted to hide them. And then so
Speaker 4: then moving past the bral but I just I so
Speaker 4: saw that scene they're talking about. Do we go right
Speaker 4: to Thomas and Kimberly talking about Kimberly needing a place
Speaker 4: to stay. Yeah, that's before you find out about his dad.
Speaker 3: So exactly. So like those things are overlapping. While Billy's
Speaker 3: you know, waking up bum that he's alone in his apartment,
Speaker 3: Michael is having a conversation with Kimberly at work, and
Speaker 3: she's revealing that she's kind of, you know, hating her
Speaker 3: apartment because the maintenance sucks and management sucks, and Michael
Speaker 3: is suggesting that she maybe consider becoming Billy's roommate. That
Speaker 3: there's an apartment that you know that is vacant in
Speaker 3: Michael's building, and hey, you should we should have this
Speaker 3: dinner and you should meet Billy because maybe you could
Speaker 3: become his roommates. So they set up a dinner where
Speaker 3: it's kind of awkward, it's gonna be gene yeah, like
Speaker 3: a weird double day. Yeah yeah, and Billy and Kimberly
Speaker 3: and it's such an interesting foursome. But and I just
Speaker 3: totally can't imagine Kimberly becoming Billy's roommate.
Speaker 1: You and I have to say, it reminded me. Remember
Speaker 1: I told you that.
Speaker 2: I lived with Darren in this dumpy little apartment in
Speaker 2: college right off of UCLA. It was a two bedroom
Speaker 2: with one bathroom and this dinky little bathroom. And and
Speaker 2: of course I wasn't like this, you know, doctor to
Speaker 2: be evil, gorgeous woman like.
Speaker 1: Like Kimberly was. I was a college kid like okay.
Speaker 1: But we lived in there and I had a roommate
Speaker 1: in my room.
Speaker 2: You can imagine that, as tiny as these rooms are,
Speaker 2: I had a roommate, two single beds.
Speaker 1: And then she he had a roommate. And it just
Speaker 1: kind of reminded me.
Speaker 2: Of that because it just was so old fashioned and
Speaker 2: remind me how young we are and how long ago
Speaker 2: this show was, and that kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: your first time out this the shape that the building's
Speaker 2: in and the apartment, you know.
Speaker 3: And she goes over after the dinner, she goes, like,
Speaker 3: I feel like she gamely sort of goes along with it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it goes check out the apartment, and she's walking around
Speaker 3: and she's being really polite about it, like looking into
Speaker 3: the space. But I'm having the same trouble endition, you're
Speaker 3: sharing a bathroom with Billy, Like that just doesn't that
Speaker 3: doesn't match up or whatever. And that's that's of course
Speaker 3: when Billy.
Speaker 2: Maybe Kimberly wanted to do this because it meant he
Speaker 2: could well, she could spend more.
Speaker 1: Time with Michael right this dinner, but then.
Speaker 2: She would have to see the wife because she keeps
Speaker 2: bringing up the wife.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my thought, like your.
Speaker 2: Wife is such a pain in my ass, you know,
Speaker 2: to what she dinner Michael.
Speaker 4: She's going on and on, like Michael's going on and on.
Speaker 4: He says, he says, we should do dinner, and then
Speaker 4: Kimberly goes, is your wife coming too? And then at
Speaker 4: dinner he goes, he says, oh my god, where did
Speaker 4: I put it? But he says, Kimberly is professional, smart,
Speaker 4: easy to get along with easy on the eyes, and
Speaker 4: Jose's like, what do you like.
Speaker 1: She's like, you're not they're not getting married, Michael. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then in that same thing, she's talking about complaining
Speaker 4: about the plumbing and he goes, I have tools, I
Speaker 4: could take care of it, and she says, I'm sure
Speaker 4: you can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was so not not thinly discussied.
Speaker 4: She just takes at those lines.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Totally and he's like keeps playing like oh well yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Well you can tell he's completely like into it.
Speaker 4: Like he's kind of not quite doing it, but you
Speaker 4: know very much that he's interested. Like there's no that's
Speaker 4: a hard line. It's like it's kind of a light,
Speaker 4: foggy line of spaces in it. You can, yeah, right
Speaker 4: through the spaces.
Speaker 1: He's definitely she's coming on like a bulldozer.
Speaker 2: I mean that Kimberly is like leaving. No, he's literally
Speaker 2: there fixing the pipes. It wasn't just a sexy innuendo
Speaker 2: that she said. Like then he's there fixing her sink,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: And then she goes she goes, I have some meat
Speaker 4: in the fresh Yeah, speaking of meats, wine, I.
Speaker 1: Have a bottle of line, But I guess you have
Speaker 1: to go home to your wife.
Speaker 4: I'm going to try that. Maybe that's why I'm not
Speaker 4: dating very much. I have some meat. Maybe that's the secret.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's the line, and.
Speaker 1: I could cook it. I could have.
Speaker 2: Swear, I said, at these settings, so we can have
Speaker 2: a little thumb down.
Speaker 1: He's definitely trying to thumb up because this is where
Speaker 1: it belongs. It bels bum.
Speaker 3: You can make a big rain cloud like a storm
Speaker 3: has there.
Speaker 1: You go you no, Michael, don't do it.
Speaker 3: But I thought it was really funny. Back to that
Speaker 3: dinner when Billy sort of he breaks the tension by going, hey,
Speaker 3: do you have any furniture? And she goes, I have
Speaker 3: an apartment full, and he says, do you want to Elope, And.
Speaker 1: It's like he's charming, he's funny.
Speaker 3: He breaks the attention. That's obviously so you know, awkward
Speaker 3: between the whole Jane and Kimberly and Michael thing, yeah
Speaker 3: he did. But so then it's then when he when
Speaker 3: Billy learns about the heart attack and they're at the
Speaker 3: apartment with Kimberly checking out the bathroom really politely, like
Speaker 3: pretending like this might actually work out, which I can
Speaker 3: tell clearly it's not going to work out. Even then,
Speaker 3: when Billy runs off to the hospital and he meets
Speaker 3: his mom there, his mom is sort of like, this
Speaker 3: is where she's sort of like manic and she's going, well,
Speaker 3: we were this, we were dancing, and then you know,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden he wasn't feeling well and she's
Speaker 3: sort of manic and whatever, and they're just the conversation
Speaker 3: is like they're assuming the doctor's going to come out
Speaker 3: and tell us what the next steps are are.
Speaker 4: I know you listened to a lot of the scene.
Speaker 4: All I could look at were her shoulder pads.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, right, they were a flowery or something. It
Speaker 1: was like that.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that time though? Shoulder pads are big.
Speaker 4: I remember remember Home Shopping Network had just started, and
Speaker 4: I remember buying from Home Shopping Network like a box
Speaker 4: of shoulder pads. Yes, I was an early adapter. That's
Speaker 4: shoulder pads and you would tuck them in and you'd
Speaker 4: like put them under your bra member and they were
Speaker 4: rounded ones and square ones because I think we thought
Speaker 4: and my mother did too, because I remember they were
Speaker 4: always like falling out because they were spongy. The their
Speaker 4: fham boone foam.
Speaker 1: They would fall out and all of a sudden you'd
Speaker 1: be walking and all.
Speaker 3: Do you think that she also had one in her
Speaker 3: hair do, because her hair was really big and maybe
Speaker 3: they just used to like pump it up a little bit, kind.
Speaker 4: Of like she wandered over from Dynasty. She was very
Speaker 4: but you yeah, And I also felt like her character
Speaker 4: was sort of in a Tennessee Williams play the whole time.
Speaker 1: Like it was.
Speaker 3: It was very dramatic and stuff, and it was like, whoa,
Speaker 3: this is jarring and a little bit everything was a
Speaker 3: little bit surreal and kind of weird. Like when Billy
Speaker 3: went home, I just felt like his home life and
Speaker 3: his relationships and stuff, and his mom's dynamic.
Speaker 1: It was very very experience. There was a totally it
Speaker 1: felt different.
Speaker 4: It did. It felt different tonally, like they came in
Speaker 4: with this intensity. I was confused different. That's a good point. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's an interesting point.
Speaker 3: I was confused. But you know, so they learned in
Speaker 3: the hospital that that his dad is dead, and Billy
Speaker 3: goes home. He's just sort of numb and that's when
Speaker 3: he owners all of his Like Melrose.
Speaker 1: The friends come over.
Speaker 4: Says, is your dad you know if you need anything,
Speaker 4: of your dad needs help the hospital and goes he's dead.
Speaker 4: It was just like felt like a thud.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, which made it easier for them to avoid
Speaker 3: talking about Matt's loud shirt and his really long mullet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, colorful shirt. Just had to see the kids.
Speaker 3: At least we could ignore, because when Matt first steps
Speaker 3: out of his apartment, I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, well, yeah, that was right.
Speaker 1: It was cool.
Speaker 3: It was a lot a big print, but you know,
Speaker 3: he was just kind of.
Speaker 2: Like was like, nope, I got everything settled, I'm good,
Speaker 2: you know. And then I think it was Joe and Jake.
Speaker 2: Michael and Jane came over to say they're sorry, and
Speaker 2: then Joe and Jake come over, and he was.
Speaker 1: Kind of out of it. I think he was still stunned.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, And.
Speaker 4: I thinked like too. I think I still like so
Speaker 4: good in that scene because I could see that Joe knew,
Speaker 4: like he was saying I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine,
Speaker 4: and I could really see on your face that you knew,
Speaker 4: which is why the late scene that will get you
Speaker 4: but played so well when you bring the coffee machine
Speaker 4: over because you you had had this shared experience with him,
Speaker 4: which is which is rare at that age, right most Yeah,
Speaker 4: I had lost her moment. Yeah, so you I could
Speaker 4: see and I was like, oh, she knows. I actually
Speaker 4: wrote that down. She knows he's not.
Speaker 1: I really like that scene that we had that we'll
Speaker 1: talk about in a minute.
Speaker 3: But and Jane, Jane is also commenting. She's like, I
Speaker 3: don't think he's expressing his emotions, like he's not, you know,
Speaker 3: And Michael sort of like, yeah, yeah, he'll get to that.
Speaker 4: It's just going to do He's fun. I got to
Speaker 4: go back to the hospital. Do you really is that
Speaker 4: where you're going? Cut to I'm under the sink cleaning
Speaker 4: the pipes, the lining and the pipes. Yep, the lies
Speaker 4: are already Star was a lie, and it's starting.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's like he's in that kind of like yeah,
Speaker 2: there's I don't know, he's in that kind.
Speaker 1: Of like buffoon is kind of like, oh, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? And then you know, I came on,
Speaker 1: coming on, I'm married, let me come clean your back.
Speaker 1: Now he's lying to his wife.
Speaker 2: Yes, latantly, I expected that he was going to go
Speaker 2: back to the hospital because and then he gets to
Speaker 2: see Kimberly.
Speaker 1: But then he's like there under her sink.
Speaker 3: Right, and he uses the excuse like, oh, I've been
Speaker 3: at this funeral all day. I haven't been to the hospital.
Speaker 3: I need to go see patients. He just blatantly lies
Speaker 3: and we cut straight to underneath.
Speaker 2: And I think Jane was a little I think I
Speaker 2: picked up from Josie like a little did you guys
Speaker 2: see this?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: About this because she's now seen her quite a few
Speaker 2: or a few times, saw Kimberly, sees what she's like,
Speaker 2: sees that, you know, he was over bored on talking
Speaker 2: up her, you know, assets and how great she was
Speaker 2: at that dinner. So now he's like, I have to
Speaker 2: go back to the hospital. I saw a little bit
Speaker 2: of suspicion or something.
Speaker 3: Well, she's definitely disappointed that he's not just staying home
Speaker 3: and being with her.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's related. I think it's story forwards.
Speaker 4: She might know about all of Kimberly's meat. I think
Speaker 4: so how much that they're going to eat it.
Speaker 2: I think she's going to go out to Ralph's and
Speaker 2: get a steak and some wine and Jane and.
Speaker 1: Put and Frederie boy has all that meat.
Speaker 3: I have to say, Jean was a little bit dressed
Speaker 3: like Charlie Chaplin for the funeral, which.
Speaker 4: I thought that was interesting too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a cute little velvet bucket hat, but.
Speaker 1: There was a giant overcoat. Yeah, a giant pant over
Speaker 1: her cute.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it was a pin stripe cute pin stripe
Speaker 3: suit on underneath, but the giant coat with it, plus
Speaker 3: the hat.
Speaker 1: She was just like, this is nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 3: It did not need she did not need all that
Speaker 3: fabric and she it was a little bit Charlie Chaplin was.
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 4: Here's a fashions got to be super fashion forward, I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was trying something new and she got it
Speaker 3: and we didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's you know, I think those the palazzo pants,
Speaker 2: the white pants, all that fabric that, you know, was
Speaker 2: big back then. I know that Joe did after a while.
Speaker 2: Right now, she's still in her kind of black jeans face.
Speaker 2: But after a while we got in some of these
Speaker 2: all these printed sort of flowy pants and floey shirts too.
Speaker 3: But you know, I don't mind palazza pants. What I
Speaker 3: don't like is parachute pants. Have to say remember.
Speaker 1: Those Oh that's nineties two, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pat mc hammer.
Speaker 1: Taking a stand on thank you.
Speaker 4: Somebody finally did Laura thank I'm different.
Speaker 1: Had the courage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just gonna see it.
Speaker 4: We skipped over that after Billy sees Matt Amanda comes
Speaker 4: out of the shadows and she says to him, I've
Speaker 4: been waiting for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: She appears are dockery, creepy, yeah, but incredibly beautiful stocker
Speaker 4: about running. That really softens it. And then she says,
Speaker 4: would you like me to stay over?
Speaker 3: I'd like to.
Speaker 4: So this is not the show of subtle women like
Speaker 4: this this episode, it's not women being subtle.
Speaker 1: And I read the the show.
Speaker 3: I really thought Andrew played it like so he was
Speaker 3: so firm and strong, like I'm not, no, you know,
Speaker 3: he wasn't even like a little bit tempted. And I
Speaker 3: just thought, good for you, Billy.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And that's when he goes home and gets a
Speaker 4: message from Alison and calls and Keith answers, and I'm like, oh, yeah, Keith,
Speaker 4: we all had the same reactions when everybody misses. Yeah,
Speaker 4: when people just miss But you.
Speaker 3: Know, all of this like before, before all of this
Speaker 3: has happened, we haven't quite touched yet on the weirdness
Speaker 3: of the sister because Billy has to go pick up
Speaker 3: his sister at the airport who's flying in for the
Speaker 3: for the funeral, right, and it's that it's with her
Speaker 3: that he has this conversation outside the airport as they're
Speaker 3: getting into his car about, yeah, he thinks, you know
Speaker 3: that he might take over the furniture store, because she's
Speaker 3: the one who says I always told Dad he should
Speaker 3: retire earlier, and you know that he was it was
Speaker 3: too much and he should retire. And I think he
Speaker 3: was just waiting for you to take on the store.
Speaker 3: And then he goes, well, actually I'm thinking of doing that,
Speaker 3: and she yells at him, She's.
Speaker 1: Like, stop talking business like she just sort of it's
Speaker 1: like the weird moment.
Speaker 3: I was like, what is this relationship? Did you guys
Speaker 3: get confused?
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't feel the relationship. I don't think we've did.
Speaker 2: Is this the only time we saw him.
Speaker 4: I was wondering that if we'd established it had a
Speaker 4: sister before, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like you know it wasn't written with a
Speaker 2: familiarity of these two characters. And this guest star comes
Speaker 2: in and it's supposed to be like very dramatic. You know,
Speaker 2: she reads it and she finds out her dad just
Speaker 2: died and stuff.
Speaker 1: So there's that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think like it was written for her
Speaker 3: to do that. It wasn't like, yeah, she.
Speaker 2: Keeps calling him little brother, little brother, and he's like,
Speaker 2: stop calling me that. It was just I agree with you, Laura,
Speaker 2: it's just awkward. I didn't understand the relationship. And then
Speaker 2: when I saw her bedroom, I really didn't understand her
Speaker 2: because it's like either a dumb it's like a queen
Speaker 2: or a king size or two twins pushed together, brass framed.
Speaker 1: With all this flowers everywhere.
Speaker 3: Floral bedding, floral wallpaper, but different florals, just like different everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's the nineties. You never know.
Speaker 3: The dad's old suits still hanging in the closet, you know,
Speaker 3: the mom's like, I'm sorry, he was using this for
Speaker 3: his work closet, and Billy just sort of recognizes the
Speaker 3: suits in there, and he's really thinking about this furniture
Speaker 3: store and really becoming the furniture guy.
Speaker 2: It's always interesting with situations like this because this is
Speaker 2: a show about all the kids together, right, all of
Speaker 2: us in this building, each of us have families. So
Speaker 2: whenever they're hired and we have scenes with them, it's
Speaker 2: the first and probably maybe the last time we're going
Speaker 2: to see these people. And the writers also don't know.
Speaker 2: There's nothing, there's no familiarity, there's no like thing to
Speaker 2: anchor it. So sometimes it works, and sometimes you're just
Speaker 2: kind of like they're on another planet, you know, well, right,
Speaker 2: because it's sudden backstory, like you just suddenly have to
Speaker 2: tell your backstory in this scene when we're meeting you.
Speaker 3: We have to learn all about this relationship all once,
Speaker 3: and you know, based on these circumstances, but also like
Speaker 3: me give you the backstory. And it's just like it
Speaker 3: was jarring. I just felt like it was jarring and
Speaker 3: it was just a little odd tonally.
Speaker 1: It was just weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I know what you mean. She came
Speaker 4: in really hot, but I think she only had a
Speaker 4: couple scenes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with what was written for her that way.
Speaker 4: It was written that way. Yeah, and they so it
Speaker 4: felt like I like what you said about it feeling
Speaker 4: like a play like that storyline felt like a really
Speaker 4: separate thing. And then we go back to our familiar
Speaker 4: Melrose Place. And it's true when you introduce someone's family,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you've got this whole new cast
Speaker 4: of characters, and our Melrose Place is our family now.
Speaker 1: So we're trying to introduce these people.
Speaker 4: And she has to be there to help him get
Speaker 4: to the breakdown at the end, right well.
Speaker 3: And just yeah, and his thought that being the furniture
Speaker 3: man was the thing that would make his father proud.
Speaker 3: And for some reason that makes the system.
Speaker 1: There's a really nice path with the screen.
Speaker 3: And it does. It does all end up in the right.
Speaker 1: Place, really nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a sweet scene at the funeral. I always
Speaker 4: love it when we're all together, even at a funeral.
Speaker 4: And Doug looks very handsome in his turtleneck.
Speaker 3: Did you notice, well, maybe he tucked some of his
Speaker 3: mullet into the back of the turtleck.
Speaker 1: No, of course, he looked very handsome. He did.
Speaker 4: He looked very handsome. Didn't have any dialogue at the
Speaker 4: Joe had very big funeral hair.
Speaker 1: Big funeral dude.
Speaker 4: You notice you got all all done up for the funeral.
Speaker 3: Joe has had really bouncy hair lately.
Speaker 2: You know who I thought, Amanda? I mean, she was
Speaker 2: right at a dynasty hair. The falcon crust was pulled
Speaker 2: back French twist.
Speaker 1: Was it kind of a high updo?
Speaker 4: Yeah, very like this.
Speaker 1: It was so not Amanda, all of us had.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, wow, we're going to a funeral,
Speaker 2: We're just gonna change it all up.
Speaker 1: Charlie Chaplin on.
Speaker 2: Jay Joe's like all curly and bouncy. Amanda's up like
Speaker 2: you know, Linda, I don't know. It just seemed very
Speaker 2: Why do people do that for funerals?
Speaker 3: I don't know, like out of the norm. The priest
Speaker 3: or whoever was saying the words over the grave, you know,
Speaker 3: he was I think he got the memos because he
Speaker 3: was a little bit Tennessee Williams too. I thought the
Speaker 3: whole thing was very Usha yes to Usha's yes.
Speaker 4: Well, then we're looking at it, and I am, of
Speaker 4: course yelling at the screen because that's why I want
Speaker 4: to watch you together one day, so we can all
Speaker 4: yell at the screen because West, where are you? I
Speaker 4: was so annoyed, and then all of a sudden, you
Speaker 4: see after and this was a little I don't know
Speaker 4: if you guys caught this little mistake. But she shows
Speaker 4: up after the funeral, and then later she tells Billy's
Speaker 4: mom was a lovely service and.
Speaker 1: Don't want to go you loved say you weren't there.
Speaker 4: But after the service, the cab pulls up and I
Speaker 4: think Billy was talking to Amanda at the time, right,
Speaker 4: aren't they having a little conversation.
Speaker 1: And then he looks over and sees Alison.
Speaker 3: That's where she's kind of, you know, nuzzling up to
Speaker 3: him again, saying, you know, if you need anything.
Speaker 2: She's man, I mean he already rejected her. I know
Speaker 2: he didn't invite her to the funeral, but she's right.
Speaker 2: Amanda shows up anyway, even though she was rejected by
Speaker 2: Billy after their breakup last episode, and she shows up anyway,
Speaker 2: and then she's gonna nuzzle up next to him in
Speaker 2: front of Alison like it's just it's endless, like it's
Speaker 2: it's I don't know, I'm speechless.
Speaker 1: It's very Amanda.
Speaker 2: It's very very She has no emotion, no shame, no humility,
Speaker 2: no insecurity about just popping up at a funeral and.
Speaker 1: Saying, Hey, I'm gonna make your girlfriend jealous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also like at the end, when you know
Speaker 3: he's got his mom, she leaves in the limo and
Speaker 3: Amanda goes her own way, and it's just Alison and Billy.
Speaker 3: Billy wants to like lament the flowers and stuff at
Speaker 3: the ceremony, which he's like angry with the sister for
Speaker 3: setting up all the wrong flowers roses, which his father
Speaker 3: was allergic to and would have hated, and he's sort
Speaker 3: of lamenting that, And I just I felt like to
Speaker 3: your point, Court Alison had to sort of like talk
Speaker 3: him down off that, like, hey, it's okay, you know.
Speaker 3: And so like when she later says it was a
Speaker 3: lovely service, I feel like almost even though yeah, she
Speaker 3: was lying, she didn't actually see it, I feel like
Speaker 3: it was Alison also just trying to go everybody, everything's okay,
Speaker 3: it was a lovely service, you know. Like it was
Speaker 3: like I.
Speaker 2: Don't remember her being asked about the service. I remember
Speaker 2: the mom saying, do you think I went overboard on
Speaker 2: the flowers?
Speaker 1: And she said no, it was.
Speaker 3: Lovely, right, So she was like trying to say yes.
Speaker 2: And the last shot of the whole scene is all
Speaker 2: of these flowers, like there were a ton of flowers.
Speaker 2: They were right, they went overboard of the flowers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they're cleaning them up and taking them away.
Speaker 3: But Alison's the one who's being diplomatic there, going yeah, totally,
Speaker 3: everything is fine. It was lovely, you know, like get
Speaker 3: don't you know.
Speaker 1: To all Alison's back. Yeah.
Speaker 4: That was such a sweet scene of them by the car,
Speaker 4: and I really felt in that moment. I thought, oh,
Speaker 4: I get really get why people are rooting for these
Speaker 4: crazy kids, right And you could see that Andrew and
Speaker 4: I were two people who really care about each other,
Speaker 4: and I thought, oh, that was such a That was
Speaker 4: really a sweet scene to see them come back together.
Speaker 4: And then when they walked back into the apartment and
Speaker 4: they're out of their funeral clothes and they're just in
Speaker 4: their casual clothes on the floor, I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: they're home. Didn't it feel like, yeah, oh, they're home.
Speaker 2: I really saw at some point in this I forget
Speaker 2: it was one of your close ups or one of
Speaker 2: the scenes, probably halfway through the last half of it,
Speaker 2: where I saw I really saw, this is the heart.
Speaker 2: You were the pulsing heart of the show right now,
Speaker 2: the stories which which it goes on, but it really
Speaker 2: was like all this other stuff sort of happens, but
Speaker 2: you're like, ah, we're back to come on, we come on, guys.
Speaker 2: You know we see your love, we know you care,
Speaker 2: but I don't.
Speaker 1: Know why you can't say it.
Speaker 2: But it was really important and I could see why
Speaker 2: the audience just loves this couple.
Speaker 1: You know, made sound was really cute.
Speaker 3: And in that scene in the apartment is where you know,
Speaker 3: he tries to ask her about Seattle and she's like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's fine, it's fine, we're going to do this, you know,
Speaker 3: next week and it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: It's fine.
Speaker 3: She's just brief and short, but like you can even
Speaker 3: start to see her cracks showing like that wasn't a
Speaker 3: very like authentic answer, Like I don't think I got
Speaker 3: the whole story in that answer. And she's like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, how are you doing and whatever? And he
Speaker 3: when she questions him about like the furniture store plan
Speaker 3: that he has, that's when he loses it and he's like,
Speaker 3: what do you even care? You you left, and that's
Speaker 3: where he starts to show his emotions about her leaving,
Speaker 3: and he's really, this is this is what it's about.
Speaker 3: It's like I need you, I miss you, I loved you,
Speaker 3: I'm you know you left you. But he you know
Speaker 3: that he's She's the only one he's safe to reveal
Speaker 3: his emotions to. And so that's why when he's like,
Speaker 3: I got I got to get out of here, and
Speaker 3: let's you know, he goes to take out his anger
Speaker 3: at the carnival or whatever.
Speaker 1: It just ends up being.
Speaker 4: Well what he says, because I wrote it down because
Speaker 4: I love that scene too. He says, don't come down
Speaker 4: your neck like you give a damn And then Allison says,
Speaker 4: you don't really think you can scare me away that easily,
Speaker 4: do you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And it's very sweet, Yeah, because most of their game
Speaker 4: has been him sort of chasing her and her sort
Speaker 4: of being so it's nice to see it reversed where
Speaker 4: he's sort of acting and she's saying, I'm here and
Speaker 4: I'm here with you. I'm not going anywhere. It's good
Speaker 4: to see the show.
Speaker 2: I mean at this point, you know, which I've been
Speaker 2: wondering in other scenes as well, Why can't why haven't
Speaker 2: they what's keeping them from being together? Honestly, as human
Speaker 2: I talked about, I get the conceit of the script
Speaker 2: and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: You know what did Chuck say?
Speaker 2: Because it's at one point it's too much, like it
Speaker 2: just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: It makes no sense.
Speaker 4: Well, now that's what's hard about these shows. And you know,
Speaker 4: I just watched Bones and then I watched Castle and
Speaker 4: Nick Conceited is the same in both. Right, everyone knows
Speaker 4: that these two lead characters are in love. They have
Speaker 4: to keep them apart for season.
Speaker 1: Have to keep them apart.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to keep them apart. You have to
Speaker 4: just is the one that loved me? In this scene
Speaker 4: where I said, uh, it seems so often so much
Speaker 4: goes unsaid, but so many times we hear it. Maybe
Speaker 4: you didn't say I love you, but he heard you anyway.
Speaker 4: I'm like, hello, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean And she says there's an invisible string between
Speaker 2: two people, and this is he's plocking about his dad,
Speaker 2: people who literally and.
Speaker 1: He doesn't bring it up, and like, there you wanted
Speaker 1: to kiss?
Speaker 2: So I get that they're This means the writers are
Speaker 2: being very successful at what they're.
Speaker 1: Supposed to do because we're so frustrated.
Speaker 3: But I just know, yeah, at this point, because we
Speaker 3: can see very clearly what they're.
Speaker 2: Not married at this point, I mean, especially after We'll
Speaker 2: see what happens now that she's left Keith sin Seattle.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, like, we're not interested in each other
Speaker 4: at the same time, right, there's something going on that
Speaker 4: always keeps us a little bit a little bit. Now,
Speaker 4: we want to keep that tension because that's what keeps
Speaker 4: you coming back week after week.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens next week.
Speaker 3: Ye, we'll see what happens if they.
Speaker 1: We know by the end of this episode.
Speaker 3: That she decides to stay. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You see her going up the stairs and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh boy, there she goes again, and she just turns
Speaker 2: around and says, I hate it. I don't care about
Speaker 2: the At least she didn't say I didn't care about
Speaker 2: the environment.
Speaker 1: Because he is an environment. She did, I don't care
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 2: Don't even he oh, the Pacific Northwest or something.
Speaker 1: It was something that.
Speaker 3: I was like the Olympic Peninsula or something, the Olympic.
Speaker 4: She was like time alone was Keith was not our friend,
Speaker 4: like it did not when it's just its in her friends,
Speaker 4: because it's just Keith and this is not good Keith.
Speaker 5: Yeah, can we talk about the philosophical conversation between Billy
Speaker 5: Joe about heaven when she Joe comes over to deliver
Speaker 5: a coffee pot and it's sort of like a peace offering,
Speaker 5: and you see that, like both of them are like, hey,
Speaker 5: let's let's get past this and let's be friends or whatever.
Speaker 3: It was super sweet gesture and stuff. And he invites
Speaker 3: her in and they're setting up the coffee pot and
Speaker 3: they end up he's and she's like, yeah, you can
Speaker 3: use me as a sounding board and he's like, okay,
Speaker 3: sounding board. And then I think he's going to ask
Speaker 3: something like let me ask you a question. I think
Speaker 3: he's going to ask something about Alison. And instead of that,
Speaker 3: he's like, where do you think people go when they die?
Speaker 3: It's like what the question was so funny, Like I
Speaker 3: was expecting a.
Speaker 2: Comp I thought it was gonna be like, what how
Speaker 2: was it for you when your mom died? Like I
Speaker 2: thought I was going to have something related to the
Speaker 2: deaths of both of their parents.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, very surfacing, very melrosine.
Speaker 3: I was expecting that, and said I got like a deep,
Speaker 3: like you know, tangential philosophical thing.
Speaker 2: I wonder if the writers was right on his father
Speaker 2: just died of a heart attack and her mother died.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I'm.
Speaker 3: Just telling you how shallow I was and what my
Speaker 3: expectation was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's fair.
Speaker 4: You No, I love it, but I thought I was.
Speaker 4: I was wondering if one of the writers had just
Speaker 4: lost a parent, because it felt like one of those
Speaker 4: where you're grappling with that, and I thought that might
Speaker 4: make a good Mel's minute if we want to talk
Speaker 4: about that after. But when you're really grappling with that,
Speaker 4: and where do people go when you lose someone who
Speaker 4: means a lot to you? And so they wanted to
Speaker 4: sort of work it out on the page because it
Speaker 4: was not a normal Melrose scene at all. You guys
Speaker 4: played it beautifully. It was such a beautiful scene, but
Speaker 4: I thought, these are ideas we don't normally grapple with. It.
Speaker 4: Is Michael going to have sex with Kimberly. That's kind
Speaker 4: of where we.
Speaker 2: Keep it usually, right, But I also all these has
Speaker 2: layers that I didn't know it had because I kept
Speaker 2: thinking through this episode, which was very emotional and about
Speaker 2: something that everyone can relate to or will relate to
Speaker 2: one day, but the.
Speaker 1: Loss of a parent.
Speaker 2: That that when I thought back to before watching these
Speaker 2: when I thought back to Malrows, I thought it was
Speaker 2: just who's going to sleep with who and when and
Speaker 2: then they're going to betraying. I thought it was just
Speaker 2: that level. But I'm seeing by watching the show again,
Speaker 2: it was multiple levels and these writers were really talented
Speaker 2: at doing that and this to me, Uh, yes, it
Speaker 2: was different than a typical you know, but I feel
Speaker 2: like it was. I think it's part of the glue
Speaker 2: and the depth that that also had to be there
Speaker 2: to make Melrose's success that it was. It just had
Speaker 2: to be something had to be a little deeper because
Speaker 2: we all can relate, you know, to these questions.
Speaker 1: It's not just who slept with who, or it just
Speaker 1: becomes a farce.
Speaker 3: Right Well, it did sort of just come like just
Speaker 3: as our episodes are ramping up and getting to be
Speaker 3: more you know, like just the back stubbing that had
Speaker 3: just started the episode before, not the backstop, but you know,
Speaker 3: like the I'm going to say what I think right
Speaker 3: to your face and that stuff was starting to come out,
Speaker 3: and then to have it drop into this energy was
Speaker 3: just such a shift.
Speaker 4: But also to have it be so authentic, like sometimes
Speaker 4: Melrose tries to has tried to take on deeper things
Speaker 4: and you kind of roll your eyes, like this was
Speaker 4: really thoughtful. It was.
Speaker 1: It's a very good point, Joe, Like that was right
Speaker 1: with it. Summer camp. I think having a summer camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was.
Speaker 3: There was a little something like the details of that
Speaker 3: summer camp is you know how I envision it, and
Speaker 3: there's soda and a dog.
Speaker 1: But before that, it was.
Speaker 4: Like an energy.
Speaker 2: You rejoin the energy, and there's a lot of that
Speaker 2: in the show that there was thing theme about regressing
Speaker 2: to a child. Billy talks about it with Alison. They
Speaker 2: go back to your childhood bedroom, your dad's dead, you
Speaker 2: kind of like regress back to these you know. And
Speaker 2: so I felt like Joe was very childlike I always
Speaker 2: when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: I thought it was summer camp.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just thought that innocent kind of
Speaker 3: that was a really vulnerable thing to share. Like she
Speaker 3: was just really honest about like this is a kind
Speaker 3: of just the way I envision it, but she just
Speaker 3: shared it with such an intimate and vulnerable sharing between
Speaker 3: the two of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I like seeing it how it impacted the characters.
Speaker 4: I loved it that Matt took his dad out to lunch,
Speaker 4: and the scene sort of came out of nowhere, but
Speaker 4: it was really you know, I like Billy's saying my
Speaker 4: dad died. His reaction is I need to live my
Speaker 4: dad's life. And Matt's reaction is I don't want to
Speaker 4: miss this time, and he actually says to his dad,
Speaker 4: I want to hear about your life. How is your work?
Speaker 4: Like he finally, as a grown man, there's that moment
Speaker 4: right where we see our parents as people and we
Speaker 4: get to it's not just them asking us how our
Speaker 4: day is, we go and how are you and actually
Speaker 4: ask who they are, Like I really think at this
Speaker 4: point in my life with my mom, I'm so lucky,
Speaker 4: like we're really good friends. We had to re meet
Speaker 4: as adults and have it be the two of us
Speaker 4: as friends, because for so long it was like I
Speaker 4: needed to be my mom and I rose, oh wait,
Speaker 4: she is my mom obviously, but she's also a funny, smart,
Speaker 4: interesting woman in her own right. Yeah, And I'm so
Speaker 4: glad I get to meet her in that way. I
Speaker 4: thought I loved that scene with mattin is Dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was really glad that scene is in there,
Speaker 3: and I think you're right, like the relationship you have
Speaker 3: with your parents when you become an adult is so
Speaker 3: different than the women you have as a child, but
Speaker 3: of course it's colored by that, and so like there
Speaker 3: it's such a gratifying relationship when.
Speaker 1: Well hopefully not always, not always. I mean for me, I.
Speaker 2: Had to really finally just let them off the hook,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like you really have to
Speaker 2: like let them be. They were young when they had
Speaker 2: a kid, and Jesus Daphne, like you can't, you know,
Speaker 2: you just have to let them be human beings and
Speaker 2: with all their faults, and they try their best and
Speaker 2: they're so great at these certain parts, you know, certain
Speaker 2: areas of being a parent, and now they're friends and
Speaker 2: you know, you're they get older and you're taking care
Speaker 2: of them in ways.
Speaker 1: That you can.
Speaker 2: But I thought that was really great to Courtney that
Speaker 2: scene and that I kind of ads to what I
Speaker 2: was saying about this is like this kind of deeper
Speaker 2: level in this whole episode, you know, like with the
Speaker 2: lines with our characters, because you did think usually Matt's
Speaker 2: having a scene with his dad because there's something to
Speaker 2: be gained, you know, there's like a thing I need
Speaker 2: you to do. I need you to see who I
Speaker 2: am and accept me for being gay, or I need
Speaker 2: you to do that. It was like, no, I just
Speaker 2: want to know who you are. And that's the vulnerability
Speaker 2: we have when someone dies, like I just want to connect.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because this letter that's read at the table
Speaker 3: with Alison there at this family brunch and Billy's mom
Speaker 3: says she can't bear to, you know, read this letter herself.
Speaker 3: Could could Alison read it out loud? She's like, you know,
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 4: I must have asked for her lines that episode.
Speaker 3: I got to read the letter, the letter, but like
Speaker 3: she's like, you're you know, it's like you remember the
Speaker 3: family anyway, and so she, you know, sort of shares
Speaker 3: this thing. But it's like the things unsaid, the things
Speaker 3: that didn't get to be said to your face. Here
Speaker 3: you you have this opportunity to hear them now. These
Speaker 3: are the words that your father wanted to say to you,
Speaker 3: and he put it in a letter and you get
Speaker 3: to hear them now. Like it was such important information
Speaker 3: for ability to hear. It was the very thing he
Speaker 3: needed to hear, and it made it okay that you know,
Speaker 3: the furniture store was no longer something he was going
Speaker 3: to pursue. It was like it was validating his desire
Speaker 3: to be a writer and all the things that he
Speaker 3: just absolutely needed to hear. But like that feeling of remorse,
Speaker 3: like what if I don't say the things I need
Speaker 3: to say while I'm still alive? You know that Matt
Speaker 3: took that and it's like, I'm I'm going to make
Speaker 3: sure we connect.
Speaker 1: It was really nice closure on that.
Speaker 4: I love that letter too. I felt like I also
Speaker 4: thought it was really complicated and interesting and they're saying,
Speaker 4: we don't you know, the dad was saying, we don't
Speaker 4: communicate well in life. You're the writer, I'm not. But basically,
Speaker 4: I'm proud of you and I love you, which is
Speaker 4: all he ever wanted, right and posthumously he wants to
Speaker 4: work in the store to make his dad proud and
Speaker 4: find out his dad was already proud. Then he can
Speaker 4: let it go and I think we would all find out, right,
Speaker 4: Like that's the thing about conversations when you you meet
Speaker 4: as peers, you get to just say, no, I'm proud
Speaker 4: of you as a person, like I love you as
Speaker 4: a person. If we're lucky enough to have parents and
Speaker 4: kids that are available for that relationship, it's so sweet,
Speaker 4: and you felt like when Matt's dad seems so charmed,
Speaker 4: you know, and he go, yeah, let's have lunch first.
Speaker 4: But you could tell that he's a very good actor,
Speaker 4: their connections very yeah, I love this, tell that he
Speaker 4: took it in in the right way and that you go, oh,
Speaker 4: this is the beginning of a really sweet friendship for you.
Speaker 2: You could just see him at dinner that night talking
Speaker 2: to his wife like, I have the loveliest yeah with
Speaker 2: our son, dear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so because if you think it means if.
Speaker 2: You think it means something to you the child, imagine
Speaker 2: what it means to the older person, the parent. You know,
Speaker 2: they're older, they're in their middle age, they're getting older.
Speaker 3: It means I know, yes, yes, I know. So I
Speaker 3: guess next episode we should imagine that this Michael and
Speaker 3: Kimberly thing is only you know, going to keep escalating, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, I it was so right in front. I
Speaker 3: can only guess that we're going to see so much
Speaker 3: more of it in the next episode.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking that Ronda took care of ray Don
Speaker 2: Cheng's character Carrie because Camber permission to fire him. She's like,
Speaker 2: you got to fire this woman who's trying to get
Speaker 2: get you and he's like, I love when you're jealous.
Speaker 2: She's like, this isn't funny. You got to fire her.
Speaker 2: And then he says, we'll.
Speaker 1: Let you do that, baby, and she's like.
Speaker 2: Okay, I will, And so you know, she went back
Speaker 2: and I don't I don't know if we see her again,
Speaker 2: but she took care of that, and I'm curious to
Speaker 2: see what happens with that. With Carrie gone, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure all the florals are going to leave too, because
Speaker 2: remember there was that scene with Carrie coming in and talking.
Speaker 1: About all the there's so many flowers in this episode,
Speaker 1: like flowers every Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I just had this vision of Terrence with
Speaker 2: all these.
Speaker 3: Flowers, which he love, which is so annoying, Like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, stop. All right, We're we're getting so invested
Speaker 3: in all of our characters.
Speaker 1: I love it. Well spring for us, we just had spring.
Speaker 2: So it's not it's apropos that we had a springtime
Speaker 2: with flowers abound in an episode exactly.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely perfect.
Speaker 3: Well, we can probably expect a complete tonal departure for
Speaker 3: the next episode. Probably I can't wait.
Speaker 4: So I can't wait, either of you. Guys.
Speaker 3: Always great to see you always.
Speaker 4: Seven is next?
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3: In one season, twenty seven episodes and it's not even
Speaker 3: the end.
Speaker 1: We're not even done, so all right, Even that.
Speaker 3: Episode was called endgame, This is not the end, people,
Speaker 3: There will be more.
Speaker 1: And it may have been like it would be interesting
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 4: We should pay attention as we go forward, like how
Speaker 4: many of these were just in case it was the end?
Speaker 1: And then her, I'm sure we're supposed to be canceled
Speaker 1: by now.
Speaker 3: Right, she has a theory every episode is going to have.
Speaker 1: I'm sure this was the end. No, my dear, you
Speaker 1: have a few more comings.
Speaker 3: Well, this one says it was end game, but this
Speaker 3: is not the end. We will be back for more
Speaker 3: still the place, including our next Melrose minute. And thanks
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Speaker 4: Everybody, see you next time.
Speaker 3: Bye,