WEBVTT - A Gleeful Scrub with Jenna Ushkowitz 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:05.039 Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.920 Hello, everybody, we are scrubbing in. 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:17.360 Scrub but dumb dub a dumb whoof stunning. 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.280 We have a guest today. She is not on Dancing 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:22.040 with the Stars. 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:23.040 No, she's not. 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:26.680 Spoiler alerts spoiler. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:32.520 But she is a star, yes, and she is one 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.440 of I literally can't believe that we're doing this interview 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:37.839 because I am a self proclaimed gleek. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:38.520 Yes. 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.480 Same, and and she's a fellow podcast. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.199 Door you know, she has an iHeart radio podcast and 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.919 it's called and that's what you really missed that she 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.960 also does with her best friend Kevin McHale. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.120 Who was also in Glee. Yes, so we are very 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.559 excited to welcome her. We've been trying to have her 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.920 on the show forever. So the time is now. If 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.200 not now, when when? So the time is now. Please 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:06.640 welcome Donna. Yeah, Jenna, We I feel have been trying 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:07.800 to make this happen for. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:09.319 Some time forever. 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:14.360 I just need my house so oh. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.720 So like when we pitch it, because Tanya is she 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:17.520 is like in studio. 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:19.800 Only I know and I do on need my house, so. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:24.319 It's special outing it took some time, but I genuinely 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.480 feel like this podcast. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.240 Is going to be ten times better because of it. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.520 I agree. I totally agree. Thank you, like in person. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.520 And I appreciate you taking the time and for venturing 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:35.840 out of your house for us. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.600 I love only have fellow podcasters on the show because 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:44.360 there's this easy camaraderie that's like very conversational and it's 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:44.840 not just. 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.600 Yeah, you're like, oh god, what is this going to be? 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:53.120 Like, I find pregnancy and childbirth so because I've never 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:55.720 something I haven't experienced yet, so I find it like 0:01:55.960 --> 0:02:00.240 so intriguing and interesting because I'm like, you're bopping around town, yeah, 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.160 and you're fine, Yeah, You're like I'm feeling good. 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:04.360 Yeah it is. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.560 It's it's different for everybody, and it's every birth is different. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.280 It's not like you go in for one and the 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.000 second one is going to be exactly the same. 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:12.720 It's definitely not. 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.400 So it's just like you just have to like figure 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.880 out what feels right and you have to like give 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.799 them the caveat that. Like I have stuff planned all 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.200 this week and next week, and I'm like, just so 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:28.239 you know, I'm very pregnant, So there's always a chance 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:29.280 that I won't show up. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.040 Well, you know when. 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:32.919 You like you already you have a little girl? 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:34.280 How does she two and a half? 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.680 Okay, so you have done this before. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:38.919 Yeah, when when you were doing it for the first time, 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.040 were you like anxious, like what were your feelings versus 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:42.600 this time? 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:43.000 Yeah? 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.520 Or just like getting ready for the birth and everything. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.280 It's actually funny because I think the less you know 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:53.200 the better, Like, oh, with my daughter, I was so excited. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.040 Everything was magical. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.080 You're like, so you can't wait, Like it was just 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.400 I felt really good. And then this pregnancy, I was 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.519 like put on bed rest in the beginning. 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.280 I couldn't leave my house for like two months. 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.640 And then I got out of bed rest, which was 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.160 like thank God, and I've been moving around. I'm just 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.079 grateful I can like move around. I think that's why 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:20.400 I'm like so active right now. But I'm like kind 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:25.520 of terrified of childbirths because I just know what postpartums like, 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.880 I know what is coming or what could. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.520 Be, and there's too many options. 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.880 And you did you have postpartum with your first No. 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:35.960 It honestly wasn't. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.400 I didn't have any kind of like postpartum pressure or 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.280 baby blues or anything like that, thankfully, but I did. 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.160 It's just like nobody tells you all the things that 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.839 like happen afterwards when your milk comes in and your 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.960 boobs get hard, and like you tell us like yeah, 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:51.480 like so when your milk comes in like three to 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.160 days three days after your you have the baby, like 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:55.800 three to five days normally. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.280 Like your boobs get like. 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.600 So large and hard that they're like bowling ball and 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.320 it's just and then some people are like leakers, and 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.440 some people are like like I don't know other things anyway, 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.200 I'm a leaker. And so like there's just like milk 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.480 like literally coming out of me involuntarily, like I bend 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.560 over out of the shower and like there's just melk 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.200 coming out of me, and it's just like you can't 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.080 control any of it, so you just don't. And I 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.440 had to see section the first time too, so I 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.680 have like a belly band and scar, and nobody talks 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:30.000 about like the first pee afterwards, like terrifying, is it her? 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.360 It's it's a lot like does it hurt? 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.839 People have like epidurals, Like the epidural has worn off 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.040 and either it's like hard to peek because you've had 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.919 a catheter inside of you, or like you don't know 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:43.960 if you're gonna be able to pee. It takes a while. 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.000 So there's like a nurse like holding you up, being 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.039 like come. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.359 On, you can do it, holding what hold well, like 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.880 your arm right to make sure you don't fall because 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.880 like you've just come off of anesthesia or like you know, 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:57.839 an epidural of like numbness. 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:03.440 It's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah, no one talks. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:06.600 I actually like probably I've broken the seal of like 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.599 trust for other women because like nobody should know this 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:10.960 until afterwards. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.520 I'm so glad I didn't know. Now I know. 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.480 Yeah, I know because you experienced it exactly. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:22.440 WHOA like you hear about things, but I haven't thought 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:23.479 or heard about that one. 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.520 Yeah, nobody tells you because they don't want to freak 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.720 you out. They're like, okay, you just good luck. Yeah, 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:29.720 have a great time. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.320 I think it's better right not no, right, so just. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.680 Erase, that's no more questions. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you for coming in. 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:43.640 Thanks guys. 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.839 Do you have like a hospital, like is your hospital 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:48.080 backpacked or it's ready? 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.400 Oh it's ready? What's in there? It's I'm very minimal. 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.960 So it's like I brought a boppy so I could 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.839 brest feed, pajamas with a button down so that you 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:03.839 can breastfeed, like socks under everything else, like a phone 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.600 charger that's like a ten footer because you just don't 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:07.520 know where the plug's coming. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:08.600 Yeah. 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.680 Sometimes I brought my iPad last time and that was nice. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.840 And some pajamas and like going home out for the 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.800 baby and going home out for me and that's like 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:19.760 and then just some shower stuff and that's it. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:20.440 Oh wow. 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.440 Everything else they have there, like in America, Like they 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:28.840 have diapers for you and for the baby. They have wipes, 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.880 they have like the blankets, they have everything, so you 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.480 don't need to bring anything. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.800 People bring like candles and rose cords. 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.479 So like if you're doing like an unmedicated birth and 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.840 you are like doing hypno birthing or something where you're 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.599 going to be like, let's turn the lights down, let's 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:49.000 put the. 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:50.840 Candles on, and let's put like a. 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.640 Playlist like that's some people need, but like I don't 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.760 think I'm gonna do that, so just keep the lights on. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.919 Do you have like a first meal that have you 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.120 been avoiding anything this pregnancy. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.840 To be completely honest, I did avoid sushi the first one. 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:10.000 I haven't eating sushi the second one. But I my 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.920 first meal I think is going to be like a 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:17.560 big like Italian sub because you can't eat cold cuts 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.800 so and there's like all these listeria outbreaks right now 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.760 happening and you're like stay away. So I think like 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.160 a big Italian sum from like all about the bread. 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:35.200 Yeah, oh yeah, salami, turkey and like Judo like give me. 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.240 Everything to the day. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.920 Literally, I can't wait. We postmade it. The postmate like 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.280 shows up downstairs like I'm here with your meal. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.920 So yeah, how is how are you feeling about having 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:51.720 two kids? 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.800 Like, because I feel like there's there's the one which 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:56.880 is like a total adjustment because it's just such a 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.320 life change, and then it's like you've done this already, 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.920 but no there's an added yeah child. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.440 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:10.200 To be completely honest, I'm like terrified and excited at 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:15.000 the same time, because people say like two is actually 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.120 like the second one is easier, Like you're more calm, 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.600 You've just been there already, you know. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:21.200 What you're doing. 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.720 I'm more concerned about my firstborn because she's. 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:26.480 Still so young. 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.800 Right, and like very attached and we're very close, and 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:35.400 so I like she's excited and she knows what's coming, 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:40.679 but I don't think she fully knows like what's coming right, right. 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.040 So I think that transition. 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:48.880 I'm more concerned about her getting what she needs. And 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.280 we have a lot of help, Like we're so lucky 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.120 and my husband gets eight weeks off and so there's 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.440 like three adults to like two children, Like we're not 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.160 outnumbered yet, but I'm definitely. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.320 I'm definitely nervous. Like I feel like people are like. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.079 Oh yeah, like the one to do is a lot 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.320 like the first one kind of reminds me of like 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.959 a first pregnancy, Like you're on the couch, you're watching TV, 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:18.280 you're taking naps, like you're chilling, and then like this pregnancy, 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.120 you're like chasing a toddler. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.280 Until four weeks before you give birth. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.560 And so I feel like the second you know, the 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.760 first child's born and you're like laying on the couch recovering, 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.679 and everybody comes to visit and brings you snacks and 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.079 brings you gifts, and the second one they're like, oh, 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.160 you got this, and you're just like left to fend 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.520 for yourself, and so I'm like, I don't know, Like 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.360 I don't know what it's going to be like, but 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.680 I know I'm just gonna have my hands full again. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.560 Yeah yeah, I mean it's like you, it's almost the same. 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.120 I feel like it's the same thing with the first 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.319 kid too, Like you can't it's like, no, don't know, 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.319 no matter what people tell you, and like how much 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.920 information you get, Yeah, there's just no way to prepare 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.080 for what I've gathered, especially with. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.719 It is different. Every meat is different, Like you don't 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.320 know what you're gonna need or like it's just like. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:09.679 You just have to go with the flow, which sounds awful. 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.240 I'm not gonna go with the flow person, I don't know. 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:18.559 Yeah this yeah, we Yeah, that's where the flow. 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.559 She have to go with it. She is like, I know, 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.520 it's pretty nice. Yeah that Yeah. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.720 But you have a podcast with Kevin, who is your 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.280 best friend, and we've established that he is actually more 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:32.960 of Rebecca and you are more of a Tamia. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.600 Yeah that type of way, that is correct. I feel 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.800 like the dynamic. Do you feel like that dynamic? 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:39.760 And obviously in a friendship it works because it's like 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.080 yin and yang, but I really feel like in. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.720 The podcast world it is it also. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:49.040 Adds an element of like fun and conversational aspect to it. 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:49.720 Totally. 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.400 There's like a learning curve, I think at first, because 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.920 like I expect so much from myself all the time. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.959 I'm like a crazy person, and so with anybody, I 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.920 have to be like manage your expectations. They're not you, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.640 Like you can't expect the same thing from them that 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:09.160 you expect from yourself, Like it's just not gonna turn 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.600 out well. I never really felt like that with Kevin 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.560 because we worked together for so long and wou lay 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.400 together that we were just like we knew how we 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:22.000 function Yeah, but yeah, we we vibraally well together. And 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:26.520 I think it's because like we're both good at different things, and. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.600 He's like a good reminder. 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:31.880 For me that he's like, you just need to chill, 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:33.720 like it's gonna be okay. 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:35.760 You're like, realize you're right. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.480 But it's also nice for people because I feel like 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.840 they can like relate to different, you know, different sides 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:42.920 of each of you. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.240 Yeah, I think so. I mean our fans. 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.520 It's funny because I think they relate more to our 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.320 characters sometimes than to us, or like they conflate the two, 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.319 so it's a little different. Like, yeah, I feel like 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.280 people when they listen to you, they hear like you guys, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.480 and they know exactly who you are off the bat, 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.080 But for us, like they kind of had to distinguish 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:04.880 the differences between Tina. 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.200 And Jenna and Artie and Kevin. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:06.880 Right right? 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.760 But yeah, I mean, does you guys your podcast is 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.959 basically it's a Glee rewatch podcasts. You're on season five 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.840 right now, that's right. So what happens after season six 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:16.160 is over? 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:23.319 No? I don't know. We have no idea. Let's go, 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.880 let's bring it back season one. We're definitely finishing before 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.480 our contracts up, so I don't know. 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.000 Well, I want to know what it was like before 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:36.520 y'all started the podcast. 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.920 How do you watched rewatched Glee at all? 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:43.920 Oh? I haven't, if I'm being completely honest. There's season 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.040 the rest of season five we have to do, and 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.840 then season six, which my character like came in at 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:49.959 the very very end. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:50.600 Again, but I. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:54.760 Wasn't really in that season and I didn't watch the show, 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.240 so I don't really know what happens. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:04.000 Sorry, watched it with the literally the first time. Yeah, 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.920 so no, we had not rewatched it, which is kind 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.040 of the reason why we were like, I guess we 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.480 could do this because we haven't seen in so long. 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.640 Did it bring up a lot of feelings because that 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:18.080 was such a Yeah, it brings up a lot of 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:18.880 feelings every week. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:24.440 It's fun because it's been so long since it we 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.320 did it. You know, it's twenty fifteen. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:30.600 I think we wrapped, and like there's so much there 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:31.760 was so much space and. 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:32.439 Time between it. 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.120 Now you can look back on it differently, and then 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.120 also through the lens of twenty twenty four, which is 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.640 like so different than two thousand and nine twenty fifteen. 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:45.640 So it's it's been It's been a lot of feelings, 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:47.840 a lot of fun. There's also like a lot of 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.840 time where Kevin and I will just tell like everybody 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.080 we don't remember being there. 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.920 And then on this day, which is like alarming, you know, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.000 like I'm not watching myself do something that I have 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:00.600 no recollection of doing it all. 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:01.440 Do you think that? 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.560 Because like I feel like in the time that Glee 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:08.280 was airing, it was like in the height of was 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:09.880 there was there social media? 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.200 Then we just started Twitter. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.480 Twitter just came to the yeah Instagram like had started 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.360 mid season three major Yeah, yeah. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.920 Okay, So it was like in that era of just 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.320 like you see it on your TV and that's how 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.920 you get and people are like like feening for more, 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:27.920 and it was. 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.800 Like, yes a lot. 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.560 Do you feel like it was like overstimulating or do 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.800 you have like trauma from that? 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:39.360 I mean, we definitely have trauma from that, But it's 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:43.680 not like it's funny like people ask about the fans. 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.320 There was such a separation, right, and so it was 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.120 like Beatlemania where the only time you get to see 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:55.240 somebody is in person, which was like really exciting and 0:14:55.400 --> 0:15:03.160 also very overwhelming for both parties. Our fans are pretty great, 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.920 but in droves, Like when we were touring the world 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.280 and doing like arena tours, there's so many kids around 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.680 in the town when you're there for the weekend that 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.680 like you can't go out and shop and see the 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.240 sites without like security. 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.640 And so it was very. 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.400 It was very odd, like we just wanted to like 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.320 party and have a good time and do our jobs, 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.680 and like we couldn't really always do that. 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:36.240 So I think that was like it was just jarring sometimes. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:41.239 But I think nowadays it's so different because now fans, 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.960 like I can't imagine Glean being on right now with 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.680 the fan base and the age that we had, because 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:53.600 they feel like they know you even more so because 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.640 you've opened up and let them into a part of 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.080 your life. And so there's a part of it that's 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:03.320 like some people, not all fans, I'm not talking about 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:04.040 all the fans, but. 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:08.320 Like felt like now must feel like they have the 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:12.440 right to knowing you all, to knowing all of it, 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:17.360 which is not true, right right, right, So I don't 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:18.360 know if that was the question. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.320 I don't know where we am about there, but it 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.720 was definitely weird, and like obviously the trauma came from 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.560 like other parts of the show as well, like from. 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.880 Our losing Corey, losing Mark, losing. 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.560 Naya, Like that whole thing was a lot of trauma 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.400 and a lot of trauma because you're grieving on screen, 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:42.040 you're grieving in public, you're just grieving in general, and 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.400 that was like the most traumatic part. But like our 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:45.600 fans were pretty amazing. 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:03.560 But was the environment on the set? 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:04.400 Was it like. 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:07.640 What's the word I'm looking for? 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.880 I likenky door like like. 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:19.320 Like it was just like. 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:23.240 Was it like very toxic. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.679 No I that's kind of like why we did the podcast. 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.800 Also is because Kevin and like, obviously, with a show 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:34.000 that's that large and the media wants so much to 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:39.920 for click bait to share, they'll only find the feuds, 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.880 the trauma, the the you know, the tragedy of it all. 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.000 But like, it really was. 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.760 Like so much fun and the crew was so happy 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.920 being there because like, you're not doing a drama, you're 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.119 singing songs all like, I'm sorry, it's great. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.119 We all got along. It was easier to get along 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:02.000 than to not like to fight. Was so much energy. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:08.000 And really generally obviously we all have our days. You 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.600 come to work, you're like want to be there, you don't, 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.720 But generally speaking, like it was a really great set 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.720 and every guest that comes on is so positive and 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.439 is so happy to talk about their experience on the 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.280 show because we were such a family and it was 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.120 such a bubble, like nobody could understand what we were 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.880 going through except for the people who. 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.800 Were there, you know, in some way. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:34.920 Yeah, I also felt like it was one of the 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:40.199 first cast especially of its time, that was diverse, that 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:40.840 had like. 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:45.840 Totally it was like the world of Gossip Girls, and 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.040 what was some of the other shows that were like 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:54.800 the lamizing these like rich famous, like elite kids. And 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:59.040 then there's us that's like the Kid, the goth girl, 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.200 the Kid and the Welchair, like the you know, the 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.239 the outcast, musical theater girl, like all of it was 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.800 the underdog. Which is why I. 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.600 Think people attached to it so deeply, was because they 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.560 felt represented and not like you were just watching something 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.399 that was like aspirational that you couldn't you know, or 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:21.040 even entertain, unattainable, right right, Yeah, but I. 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:25.240 Agree, I think it it It hit every group, and 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.639 especially in a high school environment. I actually think like 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:34.240 even after high school, there's still people still almost resonate 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.719 with who they were, what they like, what they were 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:39.919 in high school. I feel like that follows you forever. 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.440 So I feel like you had the jock, you had 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.399 the cheerleader, you had the choir girl, you had the 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.080 you know, it was like everyone had a could see 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.720 themselves in anybody, Yes, exactly. 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:52.680 And on top of that, it wasn't just an all 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.960 white cast. You had you had Asian, you had black, 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:57.960 you had every like a. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.040 Yeah, like we the gay you know, the gay kid, 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.840 with the bully that turned out to be gay, the 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:09.040 you know, like a positive gay boy with a dad 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.240 who single dad, who they had a great relationship. 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:13.639 Like that was Ryan. 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.160 That was all right Murphy obviously, and like his goal 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:23.200 was to represent the unrepresented. Yeah, you know, I mean. 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.600 Such a and I will never forget I was. 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:28.600