1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: move never told you production of I Heart Radio. It's 3 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: time for another feminist movie Friday. Yeah yeah, and this 4 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: time we're tackling the long awaited as in a lot 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: of you ever quested it suggested it cult classic, The Craft, 6 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: The Craft. It was so good too. I just I 7 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: just forgot how good it was. I enjoyed it. I 8 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I hadn't seen it in a long time, 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: and I actually only seen it once previously, maybe like 10 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: three or four years ago. So I had a good time. 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: So it stars Nev Campbell, Rachel True, Robin Tuney, and 12 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: Firouza Bak. Was directed by Andrew Fleming and written by 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: Peter Falardi, and they actually had a Wiccaned consultant on set. 14 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: Apparently the casting was a bit difficult because studios weren't 15 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: used to seeing films with four main female protagonists. Oh 16 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: my gosh, what I know. Despite campaigning very hard for 17 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: a PG thirteen rating, the m p A A rated 18 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: it are because it had teenagers and black magic. Oh no, 19 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: not black magic, and particularly women. But I I will 20 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: say personally, I would say that and it is a 21 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: good segue into our trigger warning suicide attempt rated R perhaps, 22 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: but it's I guess it's not super I don't know, 23 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: that's just tricky to depict. Again, this is ninety six, 24 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: so of course our variation of what should be rated 25 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: what was a little different at that point in time. 26 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: Too true, Oh, very true. So yeah, tuggar warning for 27 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: brief mentions of that abuse and attempted rate UM and 28 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: shout out to to Skyler and LV and others. Maybe 29 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot going go on for joining us on 30 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: our Netflix watch party. That was really fun, right, I 31 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: think we're gonna try to attempt it again, especially UM 32 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: as we maintain our social distancing and self quarantining. Even 33 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: though people are trying to slowly let people out, we 34 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: will remain. Yeah, I'm staying in. I'm staying in the studio. 35 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna work on my cosplay. I don't know if 36 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: you can see behind me, Samantha, here's my my Luke 37 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: Skywalker cosplay I'm working on. Okay, So yeah, we'll definitely 38 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: try to do that again, and especially now that we 39 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: know how to do it, because I've actually that was 40 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: my first time using Netflix party. I've been using things 41 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: like Senier or to seven where you can have the 42 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: video chat, but this was it was pretty easy. Now 43 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: we know how to do it, so keep an eye 44 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: out for that, right and definitely in a Minnesota of 45 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: like nineties a O well chat yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 46 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: which was perfect if I love the vibe. Um and yeah, 47 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: if any any listeners like, just send your suggestions, if 48 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: there's any movie you think would be cool for us 49 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: to watch as an audience together, Um, we're down. Yes. 50 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, I missed this when it first came out. 51 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: I guess I would have been in elementary school, so 52 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: it would have been weird for me to see it, 53 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: not unheard of. But what about you? Do you remember 54 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: the first time you saw Smith? Oh? I was sixteen, 55 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: so yeah, I definitely was all about this movie because 56 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: I loved the ideas of whiches and vampires and all 57 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: of that, the mystics type of thing, so I was 58 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: I was ready. Of course, I was very Christian too, 59 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: so I had to hide it from my parents, so 60 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: I would go to friends houses just kind of like MTV. 61 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't watch MTV at the house. At my friend's 62 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: house it was playing, so yeah, not MTV. It Candle 63 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: Sinful Sinful m TV where they show the bikini bodies, why, 64 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: oh my god. I remember I wanted to see it 65 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: when I would got older and I would see the 66 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: poster of them kind of like walking out of the 67 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: light and they're in their kind of gothic but Catholic 68 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: school where I thought, you know what, I need to 69 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: see this movie. Oh yeah, I mean just walking shrutting 70 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: together in line and in rhythm. That makes you want 71 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: to be like, hey girl, let's practice this and we're 72 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna enter this way as well. Yes, oh 73 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: my gosh um. And because of its popularity, it is 74 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: getting an indirect sequel, I think, or I couldn't tell 75 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: if it was a sequel or a remake, but something's happening. 76 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: They're they're doing something with it, right. I know there's 77 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: been a conversation, there's been conversations of a lot of 78 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: these being remade and or having sequels. As we're gonna 79 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about all of the remakes 80 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: is happening. But I did see balk was a part 81 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: of this one write the sequel, I think, so I believe. 82 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, so let's let's talk about the plot 83 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: in case anyone doesn't remember hasn't seen it. The plot 84 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: centers around Sarah Haley, who was played by tuny Um, 85 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: and she's starting at a Catholic school and new Catholic 86 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: school in l a after she made a suicide attempt. 87 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: She makes friends with three outsiders, Bonnie played by Campbell, 88 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: Rochelle played by True, and Nancy played by Balk. They 89 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: believe that Sarah can complete their coven. They need four 90 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: people Earth, Wind, fire, and Water, one for each um 91 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: and they are nicknamed by others at the high school 92 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: as the bitches of Eastwick. Classy. Yes, each are dealing 93 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: with a specific issue that they're excited that maybe magic 94 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: can solve for them, from physical scars, racism, emotional pain, 95 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: and poverty, and at their most basic, these are issues 96 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: of power, beauty, love and revenge. I guess ultimately all 97 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: of them are power, right and control. Everything seems great 98 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: at first, and they find power and sanctuary in their bond, 99 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: but of course can't last as Nancy jealous of Sarah's 100 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 1: status as a natural, which keeps pushing the boundaries of power, 101 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: rendering their friendship toxic and outright dangerous. When Sarah attempts 102 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: to bind Nancy's powers to protect them. The coven turns 103 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: on her, sending Sarah nightmares awful false visions. They threatened her. 104 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: They set hordes of rats and snakes and insects on her. 105 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: They try to manipulate her into believing she was responsible 106 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: for the deaths in her life, including her mom and 107 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: her like semi would be boyfriend who's actually total jerk. 108 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: They tried to persuade her to take her own life. 109 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: In retaliation, Sarah forces Rochelle and Bonnie to face their 110 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: worse fears, and it's able to successfully bind Nancy's powers. 111 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: Rochelle and Bonnie, now powerless as well, attempts to make 112 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: amends with Sarah, but she rebuffs them. They mock her, 113 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: calling her powerless and response kind of like you know 114 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: they the backs have turned, but they say it loud 115 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: enough for she can hear them, but Sarah prooved that 116 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: she isn't by summoning a lightning strike. Meanwhile, Nancy is 117 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: confined to a psychiatric hospital. End of movie. End of movie. 118 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: Of course. Um. The movie debut too not so great 119 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: kind of okay reviews, but over the years has become 120 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: a cult classic. As we can see. There's cosplay and 121 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: fan fiction and other types of fan art and merchandise, 122 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: and according to Robin Tuoney, actress Natalie Portman bought a 123 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: copy of The Craft as her guilty pleasure movie to 124 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: a bachelorette party, which I agree with that, and that's 125 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: how a lot of people do see it as a 126 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: guilty pleasure. I don't know. I think it's somewhat like 127 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: a girl power movie in itself, even though it does 128 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: have a breakdown of girl relationships, but as a whole thing. 129 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: Um And it does have that sleepover vibe which I remember, 130 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: like I believe I was watching it at a sleepover. 131 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: I don't really think about it. Um And in a 132 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: lot of ways it captures sleepover vibes as well, down 133 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: to playing light as a feather, which we actually had 134 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: that discussion in our chat whether or not we had 135 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: all played it. I think we all try it. None 136 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: of us were successful. Yeah, I'll try. None of us 137 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: were successful. In case anyone doesn't know what this is, 138 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: I imagine you all do. But it's sort of a 139 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: classic sleepover game that usually girls play, at least in 140 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: our media. I don't know if that's true, but where 141 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: you chant light is a feather, and you there was 142 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: a board. If it's a board lines a feather while 143 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: one person is lying kind of flat on the ground 144 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: and each of you has one finger. I think, if 145 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: you're doing it correctly, it's supposed to be at like 146 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: every kind of corner. Yeah, but do you have one 147 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: finger underneath and it is totally possible you'll lift the 148 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: person up, But it feels like you're doing you're casting 149 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: some type of spell, right and unless like I think 150 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: when we did it, I was saying that we had 151 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: fifteen girls around, like a seventy pound like fifty pound girl, 152 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: so we lifted her up, but it wasn't magic right right, 153 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: But anyway, it goes to the classic slow motion walk 154 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: we talked about. Through the high school scene, they're practically 155 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: glowing with power and confidence, which could be a whole 156 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: other conversation about them actually feeling it more so than 157 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: the being it, and a sharp contrast to how they 158 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: started out in the movie, and all of it down 159 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: to their friendship. Ultimately, the straw bond is eroded and 160 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: twisted by the external oppressive forces that they had used 161 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: witchcraft to overcome, symbolic of how societal structures so often 162 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: turned women against each other, and this movie came out 163 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: admits a wave of high school coming of age stories, 164 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: a lot of them cult classics, but it stood out 165 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: in the undertone of darkness in comparison to the rest 166 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: of them. The fashion of most of the main cast 167 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: was kind of gothy, kind of punkish, kind of grungy. 168 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: There weren't many, if any predecessors of mainstream dark female 169 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: empowermount films. It is often compared to Heather's Samantha, which 170 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: I still have not seen, but you have, and we 171 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: could do a virtual party of that. Um, and it's 172 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: it's often I loved this and a lot of articles 173 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: it was called the anti clueless. Yeah, a lot of 174 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: people and going back and reading reviews, especially written you know, 175 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: after it's been out for a certain amount of time, 176 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: and people reminiscing about what they loved about it. A 177 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: lot of people connected with Nancy specifically, at least from 178 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: the things I read. And she's definitely like the first 179 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: time you see her, she's just outright derisive and sort 180 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: of over it, and she is full of rage and 181 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: fear and vulnerability. Um, she's lonely, she's in an abusive 182 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: and impoverished household. She's intense and frightening. She refuses to 183 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: be kept from power that has been withheld from her 184 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: her entire life. So I absolutely see why people connected 185 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: with it. And we've talked so many times about how 186 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: women aren't allowed to experience those things a lot of time. 187 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: The rage is not a feminine emotion, and she embraces 188 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: all of that. And of course she is the one 189 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: that ultimately gets super power hungry and ends up in 190 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: a mental asylum, right, And we're going to talk more 191 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: about what that means. But I totally can see why 192 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: people connected with that, especially young girls and women, right. 193 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: And of course this is also can talk about just 194 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: the depression and the anger and the angst and the 195 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: darkness which she was obviously in the embodiment of, while 196 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: Robin Tuney's character was light and bright and all of that. 197 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: But that's the whole other thing. So we're gonna talk 198 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: about themes now. So which is in pop culture which 199 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: I love some witches, which is have often been a 200 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: term for a woman who, in one way or another 201 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: does not follow society's rules for a lot of your 202 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: girls cultural depictions of which is our first depiction of 203 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: female empowerment and feminism. Yes we know. If you're feminist, 204 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: you may be a witch right And many of these stories, 205 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: though women in question ultimately are punished for their search 206 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: for power, which speaks to again our fear around female 207 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: power and ambition. Oh my gosh, there's almost this message 208 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: of see, little lady, you couldn't handle it. All these 209 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: things holding you back are for your own good. So 210 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: sure you can have some power, but not too much. 211 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: So if you don't conform to the narrow definition and 212 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: roll society grants you, you will be deemed as mentally 213 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: ill and locked away until you do. So, get yourself straight, woman, 214 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: because you can't have too much power because it corrupts you. 215 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: It's right, it's right. Their rise in witchcraft happens alongside 216 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: their awakening sexuality, which is something else our society is 217 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: terrified of. I very very much want to do with 218 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: Spoiled Saturday, or whatever we arrive at on the which 219 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: I could talk about this forever forever. Um. We do 220 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: have more to say about which is but first we're 221 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: gonna pause for a quick break for word from our sponsor, 222 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: and we're back, Thank you, sponsor. So something else we 223 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: see with these characters is that they do fall in 224 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: the traps of their wishes and desires and are punished 225 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: for them. This is pretty much any wish movie trope. 226 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: Bonnie's wish for beauty, Foster's narcissism, Sarah's love spell leads 227 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: to an attempted rape, Rochelle's revenge spell traumatizes her target, 228 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: and Nancy's for ay with power culminates in the torment, death, 229 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: and dissolution of their coven. I can also see a 230 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: coming of age thing here too, sort of the moral tale. 231 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: Decisions have consequences, but also women going after what they 232 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: want will be punished. There's that going on as well, right. Yeah, So, 233 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: of course we couldn't talk about this specific movie and 234 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: less we also talked about the other examples, which actually 235 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: Andy and I are slowly plotting to do maybe like 236 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: a what triple feature of these because you haven't seen 237 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: all of them, but other examples between witchcraft and magic 238 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: and women and all of the downfalls of power. We 239 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: can save the practical magic, which is I know a 240 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: lot of people's favorite I spent a long time since 241 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: I've seen it. All I remember is um Nicole Kidman 242 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: dancing about being wicked in her own way. But I know, 243 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: isn't that the women they can't find love. I think 244 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: like they're cursed and they die or something. I don't 245 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: spent a minute. Well then people will remember to bring 246 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: it back. Yeah, yeah, which is of Eastwick. And I 247 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: love love who does. I love watching Susan Sorandon chair 248 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: and Michelle Fiber going after Jack Nicholson in the ultimate 249 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: way like it's It's a fantastic movie and I loved 250 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: all of it, and I don't think they were originally, 251 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: which is to begin with, until they met the devil 252 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: and Nick Nicholson is the devil. But it's a great movie, 253 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: and of course one of my all time favorite. The 254 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: Witches scared the hell out of me as a kid. 255 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god. But like Angelica Houston taking off her 256 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: face one of those moments. You've told me about this, 257 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: and I know I've said before on the podcast, I 258 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: never watched this movie even though we owned it, because 259 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: the cover scared me so badly. But I bet I'd 260 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: really like it. I should definitely. Oh. I think the 261 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I'm afraid of like paintings with 262 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: people in it is because of this movie that is 263 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: a creepy one. But Ghostbusters too is what did that 264 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: for me? Oh that's fair, that's fair. Another classic. There's 265 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: also hocus Pocus, which I know I've said before, but 266 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: I watched that movie so many times. It got banned 267 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: from my household when I was eight, and I didn't 268 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: watch it again until college. But now every Halloween, of course, 269 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: gotta watch it. Kiki's Delivery Service teen, which I've never seen. 270 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: That one, you've never seen t which does an eighties classic, 271 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: late eighties orly nineties classic. That one looks much more 272 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: cheery it is there's a musical number in there or 273 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: a dead sequence. I can't. I know there's something along 274 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: those lines. Okay, So I did watch Charmed, the television show, 275 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: like through its entirety, and I had a huge crush. 276 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: It's really funny because if I make a list of 277 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: all of my fictional crushes I've ever had, they're so 278 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: similar in like their angsty, heroic ways. But they had 279 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: a huge crush. Season six, Chris still remember, never forget you, Chris. 280 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: I can't remember who you was. Oh he he probably 281 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: was a terrible, terrible character. Interesting writing for him, for sure, 282 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: but I liked the angsty plot line. That's all about that. 283 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: But I I have not seen the reboot, but I've 284 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: heard good things. That's currently on sea. I've actually watched. 285 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: I watched the whole reboot and I did like it. 286 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: I liked some of the ideas behind it. I think 287 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: it was such a I remember, like, I need to 288 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: go back and watch it. Some of the acting is 289 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: not great, um, but I do love that the majority 290 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: of the women were people of color, so it was 291 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: women of color and I love that. So it was 292 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 1: a beautiful take on that whole change as well. And 293 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: I really did appreciate how they flipped that. Um. It 294 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: was interesting to see because it was definitely kind of 295 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: like how I know we're gonna talk about it menta Sabrina. 296 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: It twisted it to be a little bit darker, even 297 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: more so than the original Charmed, even though the original 298 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: Charm was getting pretty dark. It was kind of like 299 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: getting to the Buffy level of darkness towards the end. Yeah. 300 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: I always liked in Charmed how they kind of sugarcoated 301 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: what they did and they would call killing banquishing, which 302 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: I suppose, yes, but right, I remember being young and 303 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: thinking because I had to look it up and like, oh, well, okay, okay, whatever, 304 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: one more thing on Charm before we move on. I 305 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: did read a lot of critiques that Charmed is essentially 306 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: a straight rip off of the Craft, down to the 307 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: They even used the same song that the Craft used 308 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: they used as their theme song. That makes sense, I 309 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: can see it. Even some of the actors were like, Charmed, 310 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: what what are you doing? There's Willow and Buffy who 311 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: One of my favorite episodes of Buffy is when she 312 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: goes evil and like almost destroys the planet. I love 313 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: that episode. Oh yes, I just remember she was one 314 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: of the first characters that actually had same sex relationship. Yeah, 315 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: it was one of the first same sex kisses on 316 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: mainstream television, I believe. Also, yeah, I guess Tara she 317 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: was a witched to Tara was a witch, and that's 318 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: kind of how she came into her own right. Tara 319 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: kind of helped her into that. Yeah, yeah, I remember this. 320 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: Other shows which we I actually have my uh Sam 321 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: and Dean Winchester candles litch that Adye gave me. But 322 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: Rowena in Supernatural, I think she's probably one of the 323 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: more fun witches that I've seen god depicted because she 324 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: is delightfully uh evil, yeah, but charmingly so, so I 325 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: appreciate that. Bonnie in The Vampire Diaries, which I've never 326 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: seen any of those, surprisingly, were you an extra? Yeah, 327 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: but like we spent sixteen hours shooting that scene and 328 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 1: then they got it. But I got a guy like 329 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: I was some girl that ran into I think his 330 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: name was Steve. He was one of the hot vampires 331 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: at their themed from and the actors like she supposed 332 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: to run into me. I was like, yeah, oh, you're 333 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: not like that. Someone didn't read their script. Um Chilling 334 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: Adventures of Sabrina, which fantastic. I haven't watched the newest season. 335 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: I didn't hear too many great reviews of the newest season, 336 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: but it's definitely very dark American horror story Covin, which 337 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: is probably one of my favorite seasons of American horse story. 338 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: I haven't seen Apocalypse, but it does have witches in 339 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: it as well, which makes sense they all because I 340 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: saw the first few episodes and yeah, like they're steampunk 341 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: ready to go. I think interesting. Okay, okay, uh The Witch, 342 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: which I've already brought up, and I love that movie. 343 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: I love, love, love it, it's so good. The Wizard 344 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: of oz Um and Wicked Maleficent Harry Potter of course, 345 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: and Chronicles of Narnia, the White Witch. Yes, yes, Um 346 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: and just throw it there once upon a time. Obviously 347 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: several different witches in there, Um who you also have 348 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: the good versus evil and what is actually good what 349 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: is evil? It is just kind of fun to see. 350 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: I definitely feel like um. And in our famous pop 351 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: culture examples of which is there are two main threads 352 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: and this is simplifying but empowerment and punishment. Many early 353 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: witches were depicted as evil, power hungry, coming for your 354 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: children so they can stay young, often in ways that 355 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: we as an audience could laugh at and be a 356 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: little nervous of. At the same time, she's sinister, but 357 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: let's laugh at her. Um. Maybe I'm reading too deeply 358 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: into it. I don't know, but it sort of seems 359 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: like we're saying, don't trust women, but also don't take 360 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: them seriously because ultimately they're not really a threat. I 361 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: don't right. Also, the whole only bad, which is her ugly. 362 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: She even says that directly in the Wizard of oz Um. Yeah, yeah, yeah, UM. 363 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: A lot of our earlier renditions of which is painted them. 364 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: We all know the image of sort of an old hag, 365 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: green skin ugly. Yeah right, I mean, once upon a time, 366 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: that's exactly how they do it. Her envy turns are green, 367 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: and so she looks a little more. Yeah, it's like 368 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of her jealousy. So therefore that's why she 369 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: becomes green. So and if we take a look at 370 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: the motivations, a lot of them are stereotypical things associated 371 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 1: with women, youth and love. But some of them, especially 372 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: the more modern ones, are all about finding power in 373 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: a patriarchal system, which, hey, that's how you see Rowena 374 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: is supernatural. She comes in going after pimps. Yeah, it 375 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: was really it's really interesting, badass um. So we just 376 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: are having a cultural moment, and I think it's like 377 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: often on they always are in some at some point 378 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: in time, cyclical, and there are a lot of articles 379 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: about why that is. Many see it as a direct 380 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: result of a slew of public and painful instances of misogyny, 381 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: a manifestation of female rage and the desire of empowerment 382 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: and the feeling of control. Because, as we see in 383 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: the news today, as long as we've been fighting for this, 384 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: it still hasn't happened. Yeah, So of course we're going 385 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: to see where we have a fantasy level, I think 386 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 1: of trying to see that in reality and embracing the 387 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: scarier side of femininity and not caring if it makes 388 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: people scared or uncomfortable. Finally getting to the point of 389 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: rage is okay to a certain extent, And a lot 390 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: of these which just have a strong sense of community 391 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: to one that lists them up and makes them stronger, 392 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: which is a key for movements looking to implement structural 393 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: change like feminism, and if we look at the sixties 394 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: and second way feminism, it coincides with one of the 395 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: first ways of our cultural interest, which is things like 396 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: but which and the organization Women's International Tears, Conspiracy from Hell, 397 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: the U I T C H Which. And then during 398 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: the third Wave we see another rise in which is 399 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: in our pop culture Charmed, Buffy, Sabrina, the Teenage Which, 400 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: Practical Magic, the Craft and so on, and now and 401 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: what some might call the fourth Wave, we see another 402 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: resurgence of pop cultural which is right. So, for example, 403 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: in the first episode of the Rebootedge Charmed, the Three Vanquish, 404 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: Short Kill a college professor who is also a misogynist, 405 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: demon and sexual predator. American horror story tackled a storyline 406 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: of a man coming over and stealing the power traditionally 407 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: held by women. And then on Netflix's Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, 408 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: Sabrina and her Fellow, which is frequently outright question the 409 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: patriarchal system directly calling attention to it. Sabrina herself is 410 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: determined to infiltrate the male run world and take it on, 411 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: unwilling to be a servant in the system, determined to 412 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: her one right, Yeah, So she's like, I'm so kind 413 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: of confused by it, but she's her dad's like, you're 414 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: going to serve by my side and she says, no, 415 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: I'm not really into that. But you also see the 416 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: aunties doing the same thing within the school system. She 417 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: comes in, it's like, done with this patriarch. We're going 418 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: to take it and we're gonna shift it and women 419 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: are gonna lead, and we're gonna see how that changes 420 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: the concepts. And then I was thinking about Charmed at 421 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: the very beginning. Actually follows me to moment at the college, 422 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: and that's how it begins. Is the mother of the 423 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: three is one of the ones that's pushing or at 424 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: least encouraging the girl to report and and it also 425 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: being her support system as well. So it was an 426 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: interesting look for sure. It totally makes sense to me 427 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: that when we're seeing all of these instances of injustice 428 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: in the news, that the appeal of which is kind 429 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: of having power to fight these things in that community, honestly, 430 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: because that is a huge part in so many of these, right, 431 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: And so is sisterhood and friendships, which brings us to 432 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: the next thing we want to discuss. But first it 433 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: brings us to one more quick break for a word 434 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back, like you sponsor. So yeah, 435 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: Another theme of the Craft, and of a lot of 436 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: those examples we just mentioned, is the power of female 437 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: friendships and support groups and community and seeing that power 438 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: as a force for good and a source of power, 439 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: but also as something that can be toxic. In the 440 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: ark of the Craft, we get to see the power 441 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: of female friendships and the pain of its downfall, particularly 442 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: through the lens of teen angers. We see the happiness 443 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: and strength they get through each other and the power 444 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: of them working together, right, But we also see jealousy, 445 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: and the discarding of friendship in the face of power. 446 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: Young girls have so many rules in play, so many 447 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: consequences that they face that their male counterparts don't. Of course, 448 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: the power to do something without consequence is tending for them, 449 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: offering a feeling of liberation. Right, And we see examples 450 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: of the issues young women face when Chris played by 451 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: Skeet old rich Uh spreads the rumor that he had 452 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: sex with Sarah and she wasn't good at it after 453 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: Sarah says she's not ready for sex on the previous 454 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: night on a on a day, and he acts like 455 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: he's totally cool with it. But then she shows up 456 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: at school and she hears these things he's saying about her. 457 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: She confronts him and he gaslights her, telling her no 458 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: sane person would want to be with her and that 459 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: he would never be interested in her again. Right. The 460 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: scene at the end where Rochelle and Bonnie offer an 461 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: insincere apology to get power felt really reminiscent of female 462 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: friendship power dynamics, especially at that age of pretending to 463 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: be someone's friend and then trash talking them behind their back. 464 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: And I'm sure a lot of young women and girls 465 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 1: recognize these the pitfalls like how beautiful female friendship can be, 466 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: but the the pitfalls that are there too. And I 467 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: just remember being at big sleepovers where you'd sort of 468 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: have people that you were really close with and then 469 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: other people that you weren't that close with, and this 470 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: knowledge of they're probably talking about me behind right back. 471 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I definitely have moments that I remember specific 472 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: incidents where one friend of mine who was supposed to 473 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: be closed, she and I were hanging out and I 474 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: said something and she must spoke and she took it 475 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: and twisted it and told her friends that I was 476 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: being mean, and so they rode my bus. I'm not 477 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: gonna hear them talking about me. I remember that to 478 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: this day. It's devastating. It's devastating. And these things are 479 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: different cults to navigate, just because high school, middle school, 480 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: in high school it's such a social dynamics and power 481 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: structures are very weird, right right, And we all know 482 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: boys and cliques and groups they existed. They may have 483 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: existed differently for different people. I know in my like 484 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 1: little group, there wasn't really that level um of like 485 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: athletes versus this and this that wasn't the thing, but 486 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: there was definitely still clicks and popular kids who were jerks. Yeah, 487 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: I still remember that too, so, but we did want 488 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: to mention one of the things that happened with a 489 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: lot of movies, with a lot of cultural things that 490 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: are happening today, just racism in general. Rachel True has 491 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: been really outspoken about how she feels as the character 492 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: and an actress. She said that she was valued less 493 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: because she was black. She wasn't included in all the 494 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: press jectives, even though the three other white actresses were, 495 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: and the same with the MTV Movie Awards scene with 496 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: her parents was cut from the film. All all the 497 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: other characters had scenes with their parents, which shows a 498 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: little more depth and background. Um and True told complex. 499 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: Nancy is dealing with poverty and abuse, Bonnie has burns, 500 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: Sarah has a suicidal past, and me, I'm just black. Um, 501 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm still the black best friend. I'm still that tripe 502 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: to a certain extent, even in the craft. And actually 503 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: she just recently tweeted about this due to the fact 504 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: that people had mentioned the movie and the characters and 505 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: they even forgot her name, like her name or they 506 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: didn't even bother to look up her actual name while 507 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: naming all the other actresses but her, she's like to see, right, 508 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: there's another example of how I'm being a race from 509 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: one of the movies that I started, Yeah, and an 510 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: extremely popular and well loved right right, Yeah. I remember 511 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: the first time I saw it, I was shocked that 512 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: they just faced that head on, right, and it does again. 513 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: It's just we need more representa because there's space for 514 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: that story. But then there should be so much more 515 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: nuance and complexities and so much more so many more 516 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: stories out there, right, um, And I felt like this 517 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: was the only character that she felt guilty, truly guilty 518 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: for things that were happening. And again that puts it 519 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: back onto a person of color, the black woman, to 520 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: feel like she needs to change something. But she did 521 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: something wrong when actuality she was the victim. But I 522 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: feel like that was the only case that I saw 523 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: that in the entirety of the movie. Sure, powder corrupts, 524 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: but you don't see guilt, you don't see blame. And 525 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: somehow this twisted this again back on her. Yeah, which 526 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: says a lot, and that happens a lot within shows 527 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: and movies. It does, it does, Um, And I'm glad 528 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: we're making progress. But again, this movie came out, so 529 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: she's still be a race today exactly. Jee um. But yeah, 530 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: that's kind of what we have to say about the Craft. 531 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it or inspired to rewatch it, 532 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: it is on Netflix if you have Netflix, and I 533 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: would recommend it. I had a good time. Yeah, actually, 534 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: definitely go watch it. Let us know what your thoughts are. 535 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: Those who are actually identifying as witches and believe this 536 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: is a part of your lifestyle. Tell us what we 537 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: see is wrong, is right? You know, give us a 538 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: heads up. I was saying that I was trying to 539 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: figure out Terra cards and I'm learning those, but I'm 540 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: very slow at it. It seems like it's a little complicated. 541 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: It's not something you just pick up. Really complicated. Yeah, 542 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: that's a good quarantine skill to learn. I like that, 543 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: all right. I was like, you know what, I'm very intuitive, 544 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: so I feel like this should be up my alley. 545 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have to learn the cards. That's all 546 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: just all ten thousand of them and many millions of combos. 547 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: It's fine. You need to take a video and show 548 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: it to me, because I just love the art of it. UM. Yeah, yeah, 549 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: So that's your homework, Samantha, I got it. Um. For 550 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: the rest, I'm sure I am almost positive you've been 551 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: called which before in your life. UM. But yeah, for 552 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: for you listeners, please keep the movie and book suggestions coming. Um, 553 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: any any watch party ideas. We are all ears. UM. 554 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: You can email us at Stuff Media, mom Stuff at 555 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: iHeart media dot com. You can find us on Twitter, app, 556 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: mom Stuff podcast, or on Instagram at Stuff I've Never 557 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: Told You. 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