1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: I am all in. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: That's you. I Am all in with Scott Patterson an 3 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio podcast. 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast one 5 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: eleven productions, iHeart Radio, iHeartMedia, iHeart Podcast. One on one 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: interview with none other than Jonathan Spencer. He's been in 7 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: five Gilmour episodes, playing various roles. He played a customer, 8 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: hot dog vendor, and then in season seven he got 9 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: credit as Bill. Jonathan is also a musician and before 10 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: he started acting, he was a casting director. 11 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: iHeart Podcasts. 12 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: Listen on the iHeartRadio app. 13 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: Please welcome Jonathan Spencer. Welcome to the show. How are you, Jonathan, 14 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: I'm great, Thanks so much for having me. 15 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: Great to see Scott. 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: Good to see you. A casting director. 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: I know it in the Southeast. I did like the 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: backwards thing, so I went behind the wizard first, behind 19 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: the curtain to see how it all worked. And I 20 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: was less intimidated when I stepped out on the other side. 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing how that works? Yeah, so let's get 22 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: into this a little bit. So you said you had 23 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: a good story on how you ended up on Gilmore Girls. 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I moved I moved out to LA from 25 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: Atlanta with all the hopes and dreams in two thousand 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: and three that everyone moves out to LA with. And 27 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: I slowly worked my way in and got some commercial 28 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: work pretty quickly. I had been working as a free 29 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: assistant and a talent agency, just answering phones and learning 30 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: how it all went. And they sent me out on 31 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: a local Yokol Rene car brand X commercials do this 32 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: rent a car guy who's going to compete with Hurts 33 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: and script and save rent a car? And I booked it. 34 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: So that ended up being a number of spots and 35 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: I got some heat with that, but I just couldn't 36 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: get on episodic TV to save my life. I've been 37 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: workshopping and trying to meet people and trying to get there, 38 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: and eventually I got the call from Gilmore Girls to 39 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: go in for none other than customer number four. And 40 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: I couldn't have been more excited, to tell you the truth. 41 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 2: It was like the best day of my life. And 42 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 2: so all nerves and walking in onto the WB backlot 43 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: there in the Midwest lot, and I go into the 44 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: little house that's casting, and I go into the sign 45 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: in sheet and I've got my line memorized, I've been 46 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: practicing for three days. Cobbs sallad new avocado, no bacon, 47 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: Italian dressing on the side, don't get those words wrong, right, 48 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: And sure enough at the sign in sheet, there's a 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: placard right over the sign in that shit that says, 50 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: we hear at Gilmore girls are word for word, Please 51 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: do not improv, ad lib nor button the scene, thank you, 52 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: and then we love you actors. And I was like, oh, okay, 53 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: well that just answers all my anxieties and now I 54 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: know what to do. So I was like, that really 55 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: made me comfortable to know that, like that was going 56 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: to be the way things went, and from my mind, 57 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: that was how it was going to be on network, 58 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: TV everywhere. So I walk into the callback and of 59 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: course Amy schrim Palladino I lucked out. She happen to 60 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: be directing that first episode that I was in and 61 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: was at the callback, so it was like that that 62 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 2: was good karma there. 63 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: And. 64 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: All that went well. I got cast. I show up 65 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: on set for Customer number four. We're in your diner 66 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: at five point thirty in the morning and we do 67 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: the circle up little circle where she stood in the 68 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: middle and just pointed at everybody and had everybody run 69 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,839 Speaker 2: their line kind of in a circle while while everybody's wild, 70 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: camera's still setting up and all that jazz. We hadn't 71 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: even been to hair and makeup yet. And she points 72 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: to everybody in the line and I can count how 73 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: many people before they get to customer number in his line, 74 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: and I'm all nervous, I better save this live. So 75 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to repeat my line correctly, and she 76 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: eventually gets to rounds, gets around to me and says, Okay, 77 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: what's your name? And I go customer number four? Because no, 78 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: what's your name? I'm sorry, Jonathan Jonathan and Jonathan Spencer, Okay, 79 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: what's your line? Just calmed down, it's gonna be great. 80 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: And I think that kind of little green defacy error 81 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 2: of my name is customer number four kind of endeared 82 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 2: me to her a little bit, and that's what made 83 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: me come back as the next time I was costumer 84 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 2: number one because it was misspelled in the credits, especially 85 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: be customer number one and upgrade from number four, and 86 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: then hot Dog Bender and then eventually the last time 87 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: we had rehearsal in season six, I think before season seven, 88 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: we had that same circle lot and Amy did a 89 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 2: little number and I think she remembered from the year before. 90 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: She goes, Okay, what's your name to me with kind 91 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: of the eyes, and I go, now, I'm confused, because 92 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: am my hot dog vendor, my costumer and my customer. 93 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: I just so, I just said Jonathan, the customer number 94 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: four from from the blah blah blah. She goes, no, 95 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: your bill, what, No, you're now Bill, and then she 96 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: moved on and in a second, sure enough, go back 97 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: to my We hadn't even checked into wardrobe. I go 98 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: back to my little little narrow sideways honeywagon and there 99 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: it is Gilmore Girls. Bill. 100 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: It's a nice feeling. Huh yeah, it's just a thrill. 101 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 2: I mean that was so exciting because I felt like 102 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 2: the upgrade, but just the discipline on the set of 103 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls. Of of course, not just the words per minute, 104 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: but just getting it right and the blocking and the 105 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: rhythm and the timing and the pacing and nailing it quickly, 106 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: you know, and and having a four minute steady cam 107 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: shot that doesn't break and designer. All these things were 108 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: to me brand new. But I thought TV was always 109 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: going to be like that. So when so when director 110 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: Ken Whitingham, who directed a number of Gilmore Girls episodes, 111 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: he happened to direct one of my second or third ones, 112 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: and just coincidentally, the next week, I'm at a callback 113 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: from My Name is Earl and there's Ken Whitingham directing 114 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: an episode of that. But that show, the show runner 115 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: wanted improv and wanted buttons and wanted tags. So it 116 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 2: was kind of for me a quick study. But I'm 117 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: so glad I came from the Amy Sherman Palladino, Aaron Storkin, 118 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 2: Mike O'Malley, Cheryl Anderson world of Word for Word first, 119 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 2: so I have the discipline to be able to not 120 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: be a lazy actor who just improvs because they think 121 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: they're better, you know what I mean? 122 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, or they think they're improving the scene or improving Yeah, 123 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: uh okay, great story. 124 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was just really it was always sort 125 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: of like going to you know, going to cub Scout 126 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: camp with all the boy scout rules, Like I already 127 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: had all the like the I had the hard stuff, 128 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: and I could do it fast by the time I 129 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: got to you know, always Sonia in Philly and Pineapple 130 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: Express a few years later, and like a Judd Apatouse 131 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: set where it's loose and you're you're cutting in riffing. 132 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: I was. 133 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: I was so glad that I had the set discipline 134 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: of the script first for sure. 135 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: So your first line on TV turns out to be 136 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: your meal order while Luke was hurrying around the diner, 137 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: Cob cell, don't have a cut and O bacon lue cheese, 138 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: Talian dressing. I mean, you do it better than I 139 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: because you know it. 140 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: You rememberized eighteen years later, I still have the memorize, So. 141 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: You really nailed it, and you just nailed it again 142 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: here do you? What was that first day on set? Like, 143 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: were you nervous? I was? 144 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: I was, And it was such a you know, an 145 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: influx of input and knowledge and just kind of wonder 146 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: because I of course had watched the show and I 147 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: knew the show, but I had not been to you know, 148 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: the Midwest set or anything on the Warner Brothers lot 149 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: to kind of know how the machine was gonna work. 150 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: So I was really in awe just kind of sitting 151 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: back and watching and I think if I had this correctly, 152 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: I think we were shooting a winter scene in the 153 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: summer or at least it was traditional warm California, and 154 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: so I had my own like barber hunting and Parker 155 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: jacket on, and I was it was like ninety degrees 156 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: and so just the whole thing was surreal. You know, 157 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: I didn't know the snow was going to be fake. 158 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: I just didn't know anything. I mean, I just didn't 159 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: know how the machine worked. So I really I can't 160 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: remember his name, but the guy who the guy who 161 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: worked in the diner with you, who's just like a 162 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: really friendly, nice Hispanic guy. He played kind of your 163 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: diner cook. 164 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: Oh Caesar, Yeah, Caesar. 165 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: He that actor. I forgot his name, and I wish 166 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: I coul remember offs Alvarado artist Alvarado. He was really 167 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: kind to me and picked up on my green newbie 168 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: energy and just gave me kind of like the hey man, 169 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: you got this, It's gonna be cool. Just he just 170 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: kind of gave me the little like I don't know, 171 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 2: we had like ChB guy bonding, and I felt like 172 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: everything was going to be okay after that. But there's 173 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: currently in twenty twenty four, we actually have a new 174 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: real problem that I've noticed in both casting and the 175 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: acting side right now, which is that because of self taping. 176 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: The new SAG rules have made it such that they 177 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: can't ask actors to memorize the sides right for their audition. 178 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 2: But the intention of that is not to say improv 179 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: or go off book. The intention is that they'll have 180 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: enough time to turn around a self tape right. So 181 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: what's been happening is casting. When you have a showrunner 182 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: like Amy or Aaron Sorkin or Mike O'Malley who wants 183 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: and should deserve to have their artistic vision honored of 184 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: word to word, word for word, casting can't ask the 185 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: actors to do that. And they're all scared that legal 186 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 2: will get in if they say, you know, use a teleprompter, 187 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: use your iPad, you hold your sides out of frame, 188 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: but to please honor the script. They're afraid that legal 189 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 2: will get in and say, oh no, no, no, you're 190 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: telling them to memorize, which is really kind of silly, 191 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: Like we all would all of us would benefit, and 192 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: every show runner has a right to run it however 193 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 2: they want, you know, but we need to know. If 194 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 2: you're going on righteous Gemstones, you better do three buttons 195 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: and three tags. If you're going on a Michaelmalley or 196 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: an Aaron Sorkin or an Amy Shore and Palladino show. 197 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 2: You better nail A and not the It says, hey, 198 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: not the you know they, but casting is not allowed 199 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: to communicate that to us, So I don't know. I'm 200 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: going to reach out to SAG at some point, because 201 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: surely we can all come together and collaborate on some 202 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: wording that would it would only help everyone, right, the 203 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: actors and casting and the showrunner. 204 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: I really miss, you know, meeting producers and meeting the 205 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: star or or if I'm the star, meeting the people 206 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: that are coming into audition. I think that's really important. 207 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: You know, you get the vibe and you know, you 208 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: can almost instantly tell if somebody's right for something as 209 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: soon as they walk through the door. You can kind 210 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: of feel their energy and you kind of see them 211 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: and how they come in and it's like, oh yeah 212 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: that you know. It all sort of starts to happen. 213 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: When it happens, you know, and when it doesn't, it 214 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: really doesn't. And it's very quick and a. 215 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: Taped performance doesn't honor the essence of the person and 216 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: you need all you need that physical being to really say, Okay, 217 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: this person's essence fits our world, regardless of their performance. 218 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: Especially a director. I would think a director would want 219 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: to meet the people that they're going to work with 220 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: and watch a performance live or watch an audition live 221 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: right there in the room. Mm hmm. I mean I 222 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: remember I auditioned for Tarantino's first film four Times Wow, 223 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: and he was there every single time. And these were 224 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: really grueling, arduous scenes and there were three or four 225 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: of them at a time. 226 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: And he got in He got in there and worked 227 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: in with you, right, yes, I got right in there 228 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: with you. 229 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: Well, I mean David Mentor does yes, I mean he 230 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: in the very final audition, he actually jumped into the 231 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: audition and started improving with me. Oh wow, yes, yes, 232 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: oh cool. Yeah. So I mean he you can't do 233 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: that if you're self taping. I mean, there's just no 234 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: there's just no way. So I think I don't know. 235 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: I just think everything was better back in the day before. 236 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 2: It's here to stay, So I don't I don't know 237 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 2: how to make it. 238 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: It is, truly. They're not ever going to go back 239 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: to it. 240 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's turned into kind of a grocery shopping 241 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 2: trip for casting, you know, and they like go down 242 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: Aisle three, and oh, well, that peanut butter's out of stock, 243 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: will go get a different one. They don't. There's the 244 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 2: collaborative nature of the of the actor, the casting director, 245 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: and then the showrunner or director, the collaborative in the 246 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: room in there anymore, it's just yes, no peanut butter, nutella. 247 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: You know, I haven't done a lot of self tape auditions. 248 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: I've done a few, and you know, a couple of them, 249 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: I thought I really nailed. There was one for a 250 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: Natalie Portman to start up? Is it Natalie Portman? And 251 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: I thought I really nailed, and I thought I was 252 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: going to get it. I didn't get it, but I 253 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: just you know, you missed that opportunity to meet with 254 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: the people that are involved. And it's just like that's 255 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: just everything. You know. They it's a chemistry check. It 256 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: is absolutely just is if you if you sort of 257 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: vibe with a person and that that translates on screen. 258 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: So that's that's an element that is completely missing. 259 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: Chemistry and environment are denied by a self tape because 260 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: you can't know how they fit in the environment if 261 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: they haven't been in the room. And like and like 262 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: you said, chemistry, like you have. It might work with 263 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: the other actors, it might not. We'll find out work, 264 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: We'll find out the makeup trailer exam. 265 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: Right, it's wow, that's frustrating. 266 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: I'm trying to do it a different way. But I'm 267 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: just a small, little, tiny indie film casting director. Now 268 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not a big enough deal to change 269 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: the world. But but you know, if you get three callbacks, 270 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: the third ones in room with me, that's for sure. 271 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, oh sure, I totally agree with you. All right, 272 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: So your scene Bill was when Luke found out that 273 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: he had a daughter and oh yeah, walked in asking 274 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: for a piece of my hair or Luke's hair. Uh, 275 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: what do you remember about filming that scene? 276 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: I do, because specifically I remember I remember the the 277 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: the kid actor if and'sa right as an adult, big 278 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: deal now, right, Yeah, and her sister a big deal. 279 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: But and I don't specifically remember her so much because 280 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: she was just a young kid. But her mom, I 281 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: totally remember her mom. I'm always paying attention to Mama 282 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: Jerseys talking to the moms. 283 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: She's so great. She was, she produced these two brilliant kids. 284 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 3: She was she was one of the good ones and 285 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: and I heard her on the phone going because it 286 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: was day one and she was on the phone with 287 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, a relative or a friend or something 288 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: just walking around. 289 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: Said I wasn't trying to eavesdrop, and she was like, 290 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: she was like, no, this is the Vanessa book to 291 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: the big one. This is the big one that was 292 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: And she caught my eye and I was like, yeah, 293 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: you go right. 294 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: Yeah that led to that. 295 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: Led to all kinds of magic for her and I 296 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: later later on was on a couple of years later, 297 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: I got on I Carle the Nickelodeon Kids show, and 298 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: that without naming names, that was a messful of mamagers, 299 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: not good at all. 300 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: Kinds of that were not what did you what do 301 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: you call them? Mama? 302 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: What mamagers? Mom managers, mamagers, mamagers. 303 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 4: Okay, well, see, you know, if the kid asked you, 304 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 4: you gotta put all the money in the cougan account 305 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 4: and the kid can't have access to it. 306 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: So the mamager can take twenty percent off of gross 307 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: and put it in her pocket and they can get 308 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: into work every day, you know. So that's why they 309 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: all become mammagers. So all their psychological reasons too, but 310 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: Vanessa's mom was one of the good ones. But I 311 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: Carly was wow, that was a train wreck. I think 312 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: there's a documentary about that, so I won't say anything more. 313 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: So did the nerves begin to subside as you did? 314 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: As you did more episodes? You felt more like part 315 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: of the family almost, you. 316 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: Know, definitely, and observing really helped me. And I'll tell you, 317 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: just like a little zen thing was the repetition of 318 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: doing things the same way, of getting the word for 319 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: word out and watching the four minute steady cam blocking 320 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: it was incredible. It was in a crowded diner. All 321 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: of that discipline watching it happened actually calmed me down 322 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: because it made me centered and focused on like I'm 323 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: nailing it, you know, because I could. I started to 324 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: like feel when the camera was there instead of like 325 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: counting blocking numbers, and you know, instead of going okay, one, two, three, talk, 326 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I can feel it. Here they come. 327 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: But and it just my my, you know, I'm a 328 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: I'm a bass player and a drummer and a guitar player, 329 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: and my rhythm, my natural rhythm took over and I 330 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: could feel the rhythm of the script and where I 331 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 2: needed to come in rather than just like being nervous 332 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: about my part's about to happen, you know. Yeah, and 333 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: just watching everybody gave me the kind of like the 334 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 2: discipline of repetition gave me confidence. 335 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, yeah, those diner scenes were very involved, 336 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: very involved with the blocking. Those were my favorite scenes. 337 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: Though it's a tight little place to do a dance, 338 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: it is, But I. 339 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: Don't know, I just I just love that set. I 340 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: really love that set, and we did some good work 341 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: on that set. 342 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 2: It worked really well. It just really did. I was 343 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: saying the Squeaky Tables anywhere that she's sick asp she 344 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: had a she had a she goes. It was in 345 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: the middle of the tank and one of the tables went, 346 00:17:53,480 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: she goes. Okay people season six, Squeaky Tables seasons so classic. 347 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: And I heard her writing voice when she did that. 348 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's her writing voice. I totally 349 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: that's her voice. 350 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: I get it now. Yeah, she didn't pop too much, 351 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: but when she did it was really you know, she 352 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: was amusing. It was always funny. Yeah, it was never 353 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: angry or you know, I mean there was a little 354 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: bit of frustration, like she's sending that message out to 355 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: you know whatever. 356 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 2: She didn't quite how much money that I made for 357 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 2: you people, but the message was clear, come come squirt 358 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: from W forty on these temples. Ye know. 359 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, so funny. All right, So one of your episodes 360 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: was the Winter Carnival as a hot dog vendor where 361 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: you got to experience stars hollow all dressed up like that. 362 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: Uh that was the snow, the fake snow, and that. 363 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: Was a shoot. Yeah, so talk about that. He'll tell 364 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: us about that. 365 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: Well. I was obsessed with that that out that exterior 366 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: part of is it called Middle America might calling it 367 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: right that back lot of the WB area, but but 368 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 2: for me, I immediately recognized the gazebo where the town square. 369 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: I was like, that's Boss Hogs gazebo from the pilot 370 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: Duke's matter. And then I was like, that's the Ronald 371 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: Reagan movie something where he gives this speech. It just 372 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: immediately I was connecting all the dots to to that 373 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 2: little part of the lot. And and yeah, just to 374 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: see it fully decorated with you know, with with trucks 375 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: and the and the confetti's foam snow. I think it 376 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: was a combination of both foam and confetti to make 377 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: it or something. Not how close you were to camera, 378 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: but you know, it was eighty five degrees outside and 379 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: we all had winter jackets on and. 380 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: And then messed up. 381 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, the various blowers and everything going. And I think 382 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 2: they the band. I wasn't in the episode with the 383 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: band Sparks, but it was just the week before that, 384 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 2: so they were they were still cleaning up from the 385 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: big band concert and they were still like, bring the 386 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: snow in, take the band out. 387 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Sparks. Sparks was on Gilmour Girls, I. 388 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 4: Know, Wild. 389 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 2: Wiley and fifteen years before America. I mean, they've been 390 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: around for fifty more than fifty years because I'm fifty. 391 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: But they yeah, they they were. They were cool before 392 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: they were cool, even on Gilmour Girls. 393 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely so. All right, So so here we are, season seven, right, 394 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: episode seventeen, they gave you a bill. 395 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: Do y'all call that the bonus year or what do 396 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 2: we if we call that extra season? 397 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: The we call that, uh maybe a gift better left unwrapped? 398 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, understood. 399 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some you know. 400 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: There's some really charming episodes in seven seven Season seven 401 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: finding So I'm glad that they were made, and I 402 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: think it's a relevant season and uh, you know, there's 403 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: always going to be Bobbles. It's a hard, hard thing 404 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: to do to all those seasons, but there's some really 405 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: great episodes in there, and we just we just reviewed one. 406 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: I did have one slightly juicy TMZ story which was 407 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: in the last, the last episode that I did of 408 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: season six, right, and it was it wasn't the it 409 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: wasn't the last episode, but it was like maybe the 410 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: third to last or penultimate. It was getting close to 411 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: the season winding up, and every everything was in negotiations 412 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 2: and up in the air, and nobody knew was what 413 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 2: was the status at that point? What is there or 414 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: is there not going to be? A seven? Was the deal? 415 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: And I remember riding in the transpo van back to 416 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 2: dressing or base camp or wherever we were, and one 417 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 2: of the actors was riding back in the transfer van 418 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 2: with me, one of the series Rigs and nice guy, 419 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 2: and I just being dumb new actor green medi I 420 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 2: was like, so were we coming back for another season 421 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: or what? Not knowing that that was like very touchy 422 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: at that point, and he just under his breath goes. 423 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: I hear Alexis has a price. If they made it, 424 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: we're going. I was like, welcome to Hollywood. Wow, okay, 425 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: here we go. 426 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, those were those were touchy days. 427 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 2: Touchy days. But like you said, and all in all, 428 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 2: it was it was amazing to have another see then. 429 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 2: I think I only came back like once in the 430 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: final one anyway, but but yeah, it was, it was. 431 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: It was super cool to I think one of the 432 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: episodes is called super Cool Party People. 433 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: Actually, yes, indeed, let's talk about your music. Yeah, so 434 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: you're a musician, you're recording in a band. What's happening. 435 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to say that. You know, I've kind 436 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: of always done both since I was about fourteen, both 437 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 2: acting and music, because I quickly learned when I was 438 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 2: about fourteen that I could stay out of the gym 439 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 2: and spend all weekend building sets and stapling fabric with 440 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: all the hot girls who did musicals in high school, 441 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 2: and I would have air conditioning in the south instead 442 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 2: of sweating, and half the guys were, let's say, not 443 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: interested in the pretty girls. So for a chubby, nerdy 444 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: guy like me, the odds got really good and I 445 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: became a great listener, I mean to tell me all 446 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 2: about it. Well, so I learned some pretty good skills 447 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 2: there in high school from theater and music as well 448 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: that everybody wanted to come see the band and kept 449 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: me off the practice field running laps. So yeah, I'm 450 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 2: kind of always done it. And this latest project that 451 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I had a band in LA for eight 452 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: years called the Beechwood Canyon Rockers that we play every 453 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: other tuestate piano bar. I've always kind of had it going. 454 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: It's just different times in my life. One thing is 455 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 2: kicking versus the other. But for me, they're always present. 456 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 2: There's no difference. It's just where I'm paying taxes, right. 457 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 2: But this most recent project, there is a singer songwriter 458 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: artist in the South named Kevin Kinney who fronts a 459 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: band called Driving and Crying that's done great over the 460 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: years and they're beloved in the South. And his wife 461 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 2: Anna Anna Jensen, who's an artist painter, she produced. She 462 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: decided to produce a tribute series to him while he's alive, right, 463 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 2: instead of tributes that happened after your dead. So it 464 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 2: is so she has a label together and all that, 465 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: and they are releasing one hundred songs in one hundred weeks, 466 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: one every Friday for two years. That are his songs 467 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: by other. 468 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: People that other people recorded, correct, like legit artists. 469 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: Yes, So five months ago she asked me to in La. 470 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 2: I had a little comedy rock duo with my friend 471 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 2: Laura Wiggins, who played Karen on Shameless the first three 472 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: seasons with Serious Ray, and we had a little frickin' 473 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: frack Russian comedy duo kind of thing. And Kevin Kevin's 474 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: wife asked Laura and I who had toured with Kevin 475 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: years ago out West and Peter Buck from Rim. We've 476 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: done like an acoustic tour with them. Kevin's wife said, 477 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: why don't you and Laura put together a project for 478 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 2: this song? And so set in Stone is our current 479 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: release that just came out two weeks ago or a 480 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 2: week and a half ago, came out on July nineteenth. 481 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: It was just released and we've been recording for months 482 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 2: and months and it went and it's a Kevin's song 483 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: that we recorded with a new band with Taylor Trucks, 484 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: who's the son of Butch Trucks from the Almond Brothers. 485 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 2: And then Laura sings backup and the guy from the Pink. 486 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 2: So we're calling it slightly Famous Somebody's because we're slightly 487 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 2: a big deal but not really a big Yeah, And 488 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 2: it went so great, it came out so phenomenal that 489 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: Kevin and everybody was like, you guys would be foolish 490 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: to not keep going. 491 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna write I'm gonna write this down after after 492 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: I get off with you, I'm gonna listen to this stuff. 493 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: What's the man. 494 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the band is called Slightly Famous Somebody's and 495 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: the song is called set in Stone, and it's on YouTube, 496 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: It's on all the Spotify, Apple, it's everywhere. It's on 497 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: all the services. I think one of your producers. My 498 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: signature has all the links in it my email, so 499 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 2: your producer's probably at it. And so yeah, so Kevin 500 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 2: Kevin's suggestion. We went back into the studio about two 501 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 2: weeks ago, and I'm going back in the studio again 502 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 2: next week and we're recording an entire uh EP of 503 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 2: all songs from Athens, Georgia Ish artists. Where's Kevin's from, 504 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: and I'm from, where ore EM's from, Where Indigo Girls 505 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 2: are from, and the Black Crows are from Windspread Panic 506 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: and so we're covering a song by all of those 507 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 2: artists and putting it on our record, which is going 508 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 2: to be called athens Ish, so it's it's sort of 509 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 2: a play on that. And yeah, we just did the 510 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 2: Indigo Girls song from nineteen eighty nine last week called 511 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: Land of Canaan, so that'll be out in a month 512 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: or two, and then we have another single by another 513 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: Athens band called Gladacamal Diary after that, and then the 514 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 2: first week of September we're recording all of our favorite 515 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 2: RM song and RM is kind of the mothership for Athens, 516 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: so you have to you have to bow with the 517 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: author of them, and that's no problem because we all 518 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 2: love them. 519 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's exciting. That's exciting. 520 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really it's do you have. 521 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: A booking agent and they're setting tours and this. 522 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: Kind of Well, that's the great thing is everybody in 523 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: the band has their own primary other thing they do, right, 524 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: So this is it's not I don't like to say 525 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: that it's a side project. It's more like a pop 526 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 2: up band, right, Like we pop up and we exist 527 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 2: and then we're gone and we're kind of like the 528 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: Partridge Family or the Blues Brothers. Or Eddie and the Cruisers. 529 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: We're like a fake, real band made for TV, you know. 530 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: So we are a band, but you know, I'm going 531 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: for two songs air conditioning and cut the commercial break, 532 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: not a van and sweaty people, right. 533 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: That's smart. 534 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we want to get on Gemstones and be 535 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 2: the house band or something, you know, like that would 536 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: be would be great. But yeah, our lead singer, Mackenzie, 537 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 2: she plays Stevie Nicks in the biggest Fleetwood Mac cover 538 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: band in the nation, and she's on tour constantly. She's 539 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 2: leaving tomorrow morning, gone, you know, a month at a time. 540 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: So nobody's really available except for like the really concentrated 541 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: time when we're all together and then everybody disappears. 542 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: So, so you're down there in Georgia. 543 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in Atlanta. I'm in Atlanta. Yeah, I'm back 544 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: in forth in LA. Yeah, I'm in LA all the time. 545 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: But I live I live full time in Atlanta. 546 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, okay. 547 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: Or casting stuff and whatever, but I so I kind 548 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: of I work as an actor in LA and I 549 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 2: work as a casting director in Atlanta. Just to keep 550 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 2: it all over interesting interesting. I mean, I'll mix if 551 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: someone offers, but that's just kind of how it's all 552 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: falling out. 553 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: You got to go where the work is right. 554 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: Plus, like nobody, nobody here is doing it the l 555 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: a way. So I was like, guys, I got eleven 556 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: years there, I can do it that way. 557 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: You know. I was in Atlanta over the past couple 558 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: of years, did a convention there at the at the 559 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: CNN Center, and god, there's the greatest sushi restaurant outside 560 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: just outside it. What do you have you been to 561 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: this place? Oh? 562 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: But did you go to bou Hie Buford Highway we 563 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: call Boohai and Shambley with all the it's like a 564 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: small not even small, it's a massive Asian part of town. 565 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: But the food is incredible. 566 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: I don't think what's another one. 567 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 2: Be boo Hi Shambley. I mean there's just so there's 568 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 2: so much good, especially down there and also downtown where 569 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 2: you were we called the Omni Center because bail. 570 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: Now we we got out. It took forever to get 571 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: out of downtown. It took forever to just drive one 572 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: block and then you know, we were thinking about walking, 573 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: but then the kebar said, oh no, no, no, this 574 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: is a couple of mile drive, you know, Yeah. 575 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 2: That's not a great walking town at all. 576 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: The sushi was so good there. We went back night 577 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: after night. Oh man, awesome, and I remember ordering. I 578 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: actually ordered a platter and because because the the the 579 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: salmon belly sushi was actually they were smaller pieces than 580 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: what the what you get out here in California, thirty 581 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: of them. 582 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: There's a there's a place in downtown l A that 583 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 2: a couple of times a year has all you can 584 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: eat raw oysters for three hours. 585 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: Okay, I have. 586 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I've destroyed my guts. I've come out of there 587 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 2: like nobody's coming near me for a week after that. 588 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: I tell you, you know, I lived in the South. I've 589 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: traveled the South. The food is fantastic, isn't it. It's 590 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: just so good down there. All right, So we're gonna 591 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: do a rapid fire. It's a little game we play. 592 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you have to be fast. I'm just gonna 593 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: ask you a bunch of questions. So let's just relax. 594 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: Let's answer these questions to the best of your ability. 595 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: All right, here we go. How do you like your coffee? 596 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: Oh easy? A lot of cream, no sugar. 597 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: Are you a team logan, team ess or team Dean. 598 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: Oh, I think I'm team Logan. 599 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: Why tell me why? 600 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 2: I think. You see, I'm like casting nerds, so I'm 601 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: following like the actor's career after they played you know, 602 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 2: after they played Logans. I'm answering that in actor terms 603 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: instead of character terms. So yeah, I like what that 604 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 2: actor has done. But with a number of other projects too, 605 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, and. 606 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: I think Logan was a really meaty role too. 607 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 608 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, he did a great job with it, didn't he. 609 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what a good launch. I would bet he's 610 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: had a lot of the same kind of like everything 611 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: else was easy after that kind of thing, because he's 612 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: a ton of stuff to work with. Yes. 613 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: Indeed, who was your favorite Gilmore Girls couple? Luke and 614 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: Lorelei or Emily and Richard? 615 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 2: Oh, definitely Luke Isla. 616 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: Is there any other. 617 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 2: Couple that's right? Well, I grew up in like the 618 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 2: Atlanta debutante world, so the uh so the Emily world 619 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: was like it was a little too close to home 620 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: for me, and a lot of. 621 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: I was like, give me what hev GB's every time 622 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: you turned on the TV. 623 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a guy a little I was looking 624 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: for the gone with the wind cast sometimes. 625 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: Would you rather work with Michelle or Kirk? 626 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 2: Oh, Michelle? 627 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: Would you what would you order at Luke's Diner? 628 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 2: Cops solid, I have a bacon it Titian dressings go. 629 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: Who would you rather hang out with? Paris or Lane? 630 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: Oh? I really liked Lane. I did meet I didn't 631 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: have a scene with Lane, but I met Lane in 632 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: between scenes or in makeup, and I really liked I 633 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 2: really liked Lane. I thought that was great. 634 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, Harvard or Yale or drop out and live 635 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: in the poolhouse. 636 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: Definitely pool house. 637 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: You gotta go with the poolhouse. 638 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 2: It's I've been sober seven years, but my brain is 639 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 2: permanently attached to deviants and dropping out in clubhouse and party, 640 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 2: even though I'm not that guy anymore. Like huh, my 641 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: self images. So I'm like, you ask me questions that 642 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: I'm like, Yes, let's go to New Orleans right now 643 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: with no plan in nine dollars, let's. 644 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: Do it interesting. Uh. Would you rather attend a dar 645 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: event with Emily or a town town meeting with Taylor? 646 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: Oh? See now this, I'll go the other way because Emily. 647 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 2: I would be quiet and sit behind Emily and learn something. 648 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the right choice. 649 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 2: This is I would let I would let her lead. Absolutely, 650 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 2: I would step behind. 651 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: Gilmore's character that you would want as a roommate. Oh caesar, Oh, 652 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: I caeesar. 653 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 2: Because he couldn't bring home leftovers every night. I needed 654 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 2: Te's dip and things to eat after the game to. 655 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: Watch somebody's thinking, somebody's thinking, somebody. 656 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 2: Snacks from the diner, and plus like tell me fun, guys, 657 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 2: we got to stick together. So yeah, he'd be my roommate. 658 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: Something in your life you are all in on. 659 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 2: Oh man, this one's a big one. You know. I 660 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 2: wasn't like a criminal or anything, but you know I 661 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 2: found my way into trouble a lot when I was 662 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 2: a daily heavy alcohol abuser. And it's been seven and 663 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 2: a half years. So my main mission now, I'm not 664 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 2: like some goodie two shoes. I'm just trying to make 665 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 2: I just try to g litmus tests myself of am 666 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: I doing this in an ethical way? And that's my 667 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 2: all in. It is like if the thing I want 668 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 2: passes my truth mirrored ethical litmus test, then I am 669 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 2: absolutely all in on it, and I try to put 670 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: everything in front of that position first now and before 671 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 2: I didn't think about it at all. I mean, I 672 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 2: felt guilty about it when I didn't do it, but 673 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: I didn't think about it, so it's not you know, 674 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 2: I still screw up, fall in my face and do 675 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: totally greedy things that are absolutely wrong and in my 676 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 2: self interest every day, but I try to put that 677 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 2: am I pursuing my goals ethically? Is my all in? 678 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: That's it Jonathan Spencer, Ladies and gentlemen. There you have 679 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: him in all his glory. Uh check out his uh. 680 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: His bank famous, Somebody's. 681 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: Slightly Famous, Somebody set in Stone, available on all platforms. 682 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure talking to you, Jonathan. Wish you 683 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: the best and we thank you for your time. 684 00:36:21,320 --> 00:37:15,919 Speaker 4: Great to talk to you, Scott, have a good one. 685 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: Everybody, don't forget. Follow us on Instagram at I Am 686 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: all In podcast and email us at Gilmore at iHeart 687 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: radio dot com.