WEBVTT - Stuart Stevens, Daniel Nichanian & Michael S. Roth 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.200 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.920 today's best minds, and Vice President Harris has raised so 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.840 much money that she's giving twenty five million dollars to 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.200 down ballid candidates. We have such a great show for 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:22.040 you today Bolts Magazine Daniel Nickanean tells us about how 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:26.360 many local government legal battles will affect the upcoming election. 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.600 Then we'll talk to Wesleyan University President Michael S. Roth 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:35.240 about how to create a college campus that is both 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:41.760 safe and also political. But first we have legendary campaign manager, 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.680 my friend, the author of the Conspiracy to End America 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.920 Five ways my old party is driving our democracy to autocracy, 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:54.800 the Lincoln Projects, Stuart Stevens. Welcome back, too, Fast Politics. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:56.440 That one the only Stuart Stevens. 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:58.040 Thanks for after me to the party. 0:00:58.040 --> 0:00:59.880 Molly, I'm such a fan of yours. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.520 But more importantly than being a fan of yours, I 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.560 think you are a realist. 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:06.039 You know. 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.520 I was telling my brother this on the phone and 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.760 he was getting really bored. But I thought it was 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:14.040 a good point, which is that there is a certain 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.560 sense in which the hive mind of punditry. Political punditry 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.920 feeds off itself and comes up with some dumb ideas, 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.200 and I feel like you don't ever get stuck in that. 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:28.399 I think that the greatest danger on the Trump moment 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.760 is the way in which he has normalized so much 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:36.600 that we normally wouldn't accept right. And I think that 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.559 there is this deeply human need to see the world 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.840 as normal, to see people as normal. We even have 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.200 a language that talks about that. You know they'll revert 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.320 to normal, And there is a desire to look at 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.520 this race sort of like Romney Obama. It's gonna let's 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:56.240 talk about taxes, let's talk about economy, let's talk about 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.880 which I find to be sort of like a debate 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.200 on your cholesterol count when you're in the middle of 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.840 a knife fight. Not that the cholestical count is an unemployment, 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.640 but maybe there's something more important going on. And I 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:11.440 think that it's difficult to keep framing the race and 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.920 the choice that it means, but I think it's really 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:18.720 critically important that we do. That Trump is just gauged 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.960 by a different standard now, and he's allowed the party 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.320 to be gauged by a different standard. Now, and I 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:28.480 think that that historically is a very dangerous path to 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:32.040 go down, the way autocrats use the benefits of democracy 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:36.000 like free speech to end those benefits. So I think 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.320 it's just really important to constantly try to frame the 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.520 race for what it is. I think it's really more 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:47.200 beholden upon those who are outside the Harris Waltz campaign 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.520 to do that, because when you're inside the Hair Walts campaign, 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.800 you can't be waking up every day and saying, my 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.840 opponent wants to ruin America, my opponent wants to It 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.520 just doesn't work. You have to be able to reach 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.840 people where they are and all of them. But I 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.080 think that's why it's important for everybody else who believes 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.080 that to be saying it consistently and loudly and clearly. 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:07.560 Yeah. 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.240 I think that's a really good point. And again, like 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.320 this is the question of, like, how do you keep 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:17.160 American democracy going when one party fundamentally no longer believes 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:17.480 in it. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:18.720 I mean, I don't know. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.480 I don't think that the Republican Party is a normal 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.320 traditional American party. I think it's become an extremist movement. 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.520 That's how we should and no extremist movement ends because 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:33.160 a moderating element within the extremist movement emerges dominated. It 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.800 wasn't like the moderates inside the Red Guard finally ended it, 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.560 you know, or the moderates inside like the Shining Path, 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.640 decided well, yes, it's gone too far. The party is 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.840 not going to save itself. The party is invested upon 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:53.080 having a unified front that would help them eat to 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.280 deny what they have become. And when you look at 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:00.520 those who say no, they are expelled from the party. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.880 I mean, this goes back to twenty sixteen when Romney 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:04.880 called out Trump. I think it's fair to say that 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.200 amit thought the more people would join him. Yeah, And 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.040 of course they finally did with the Access Hollywood tape, 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.520 But then they reversed themselves. There is nothing within the 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.080 Republican Party that's going to save itself. I mean, if 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.400 you think about it, what line can you cross that 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.159 is worse than sending a mob into your office to 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.080 try to kill you. Do you accept that? 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:24.240 What do you think? 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.600 You go, Oh, well, they went too far in the 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:27.640 law of the Seat treaty. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:33.120 I can't go there. It is a complete collapse of 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.320 a party. And that's why I don't think this race 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:36.599 is going to be particularly close. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.520 I hope it's not. But tell us why you think that. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.120 Well, I think the structure of this race is is 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:46.120 pretty sent. Trump has never gotten north to forty seven percent. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.719 He won with forty six point two percent. Romney lost 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.240 with forty seven point two percent, He lost in twenty 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.400 with forty six point nine percent. And even at the 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.719 worst of after the terrible debate that the president had. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.280 It was a lot of people saw that debate and 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.480 had doubts about Biden but didn't become Trump voters. And 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.400 Trump has this self limiting ceiling of around forty seven percent. 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:15.080 Campaigns can deal with that, and the campaign understands that 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.120 they're not stupid. So if you read the speech that 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.680 was written for Trump to give, it was an effort 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.440 to try to expand that base. But then you look 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.119 at what Trump give. He couldn't stay on the speech 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.839 for ten minutes. I mean, you could write a dissertation 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.480 about those two different texts. And they know that they're 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.960 theory of the cases, that there's a winning set of 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:39.560 issues immigration, prime inflation, that they can win this racehome. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.480 They're going to win on policy. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.920 Donald Trump is going to win the presidency on policy right. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.760 I don't buy that because when I look at the numbers, 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.720 I don't see immigration as a number one issue from 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.520 the majority of the country at all. I see it 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.359 as one issue of people who are supporting Trump. But 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.159 even if you believed in that, and so, how do 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.200 you do that. You have to have message discipline, have 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.080 to wake up every day. You know. Famously, when Bill 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.040 Well ran and got elected the first Republican governor of 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.159 Massachusetts in over twenty years, he talked about crime welfare 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:10.279 taxes everywhere? 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:11.719 What crime welfare taxes. 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:15.080 Trump can't do that because he can't stay to any message, 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.839 and he can't not respond to any slight and he 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:23.080 can't let anything go. So that makes a very easily manipulable, 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.080 vulnerable candidate. So if you just take this back and 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:29.680 forth about Arlington Cemetery, any singing campaign would let us 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:30.560 go and. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.000 Move back because it's a bad luck. It's, among other. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.520 Things, it's just if you think you've got something out 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.640 of it, you got it, you're not going to talking 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.160 about it, You're not going to get more out of it. 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.080 And when you're the one thing a campaign can control. 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.680 The three three things campaigns can control what you say, 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.120 where and how you spend money and where you go. 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.159 And all the bullshit about campaigns, all the fault of war, 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.640 what they really say, all the spend you really cut 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:00.680 through when you look at what they are saying, where 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.320 they're spending money, how they're spending it, and where they're going. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.880 So where is it in a recent expenditure of thirty 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.520 seven million that they put on advertising, they put twenty 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.440 three million into Georgia. That's what they think. They know 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.000 that they're now back to having to defend the state 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.720 that a couple of months ago they thought was a gimmee. 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.560 And compared to the PRIs campaign, their Reproductive Freedom tour, 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.480 bus tour, fifty stop tour. Where does it begin? Right 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.680 down the floor at Florida. Yeah, and then they're going 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:30.200 to Jacksonville. That is a campaign that is expanding the map, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.120 that is making an other campaign spend money from where 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.560 they didn't think it was going to be. And it 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.560 really shows who is driving the agenda. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:44.640 Yeah, that's really important and I think relevant and also 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.080 just interesting. So here's my question for you, why do 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:53.040 we think that, Like, for example, Trump last week was 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:54.960 like I'm going to get every man, woman, and child 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:59.640 at IVF okay IVF tens of thousands of dollars. Donald 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.840 Trump tried to overturn Obamacare. Like, why doesn't anyone ever 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.800 bring up in the policy that Donald Trump tried to 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:08.880 enact during his four years as president? 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.720 Well, I mean, I think I think everybody think the 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.080 Harris campaign should. I'll tell you who is asking that question, 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.040 and that was any any abortion moves who were like, 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.600 what you know, what the fuck are you doing here? 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.680 When Trump is talking about idea, it doesn't matter what 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:24.080 he says. 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.200 He's losing. This is a losing issue for him. He 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.680 had shut up about it. It's same on abortion. He's 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.880 now flip flopping around about abortion. So instead of spending 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.400 time talking about these issues immigration, crime, inflation that he 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.520 thinks he can win, he's over here saying, look, I'm 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:45.920 gonna we're gonna have mandatory idea require nobody believed. 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:50.600 But it also runs contrary to this embryonic personhood that 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.560 his party is super obsessed with. 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.200 It's why attorneys remind clients they have the right to 0:08:56.240 --> 0:09:01.440 remain silent. You don't have to keep saying this inside 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:02.280 that campaign. 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:04.040 He drives them crazy. 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.520 I promise you you've already got Corey Lewandowski. You've got 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.280 Chris Losovita is working for Corey Lewandowski. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.520 Really you're really doing that, you know, I mean it's 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.400 come to that a guy like Corey Landowski and the 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.280 you and I used to just mock a guy who, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.439 you know, part time puddle cop. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.559 Who couldn't even get a full time a cop. Andy Sure, 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.120 he's most known in politics for a guy. When he 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.960 was working for the Nanfra State Party, he debated a 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.719 cardboard cutout as a Democratic good theatorial candidate, and the 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.559 consensus was to cut out Onewhelmingly. You know, we never 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.280 would left these people in the campaigns. He's a thug, 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.319 he hates women, assaulted reporters, but he charged with that 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.640 so much of Trump World. Do you rise in Trump 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:48.040 World by flattering Trump? 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:48.520 Right? 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.520 So what does that mean? It means whatever he does. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.679 You have to say, that's great. You can't coach that way. 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.080 You can't have a play or run some crazy route 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.000 that's way off targeted. When they talked off to the 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.959 sidelines the coach, So that was great, that's great. I 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:05.960 don't know what happened to the quarterback. You should you know. 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.120 It's instead of like, well, don't do that. This is 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.880 what you're supposed to be doing. We can't do that 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.600 because you get expelled from Trump world. And it's why 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:18.400 there are no serious people around Trump and it greatly 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:23.920 limits your ability to really run a campaign as opposed 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.080 to just go out in public in a moat. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.680 And that's really what Trump is doing. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.600 Now, what do you think about this? There's sort of 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.560 their strategy is they're kind of just getting mad a 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:35.079 little bit. 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.960 I mean, you know, he's doing a few rallies. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.520 I mean, and then they think that the debate will 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.079 change everything for Trump. 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:44.800 How would that even work? 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:48.720 Yeah, you have to say, debates rarely matter. It didn't 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.480 matter and Trump button. So I suppose you could sit 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.800 there and talk to yourself that it's going to happen again. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.720 The problem is every other debate Trump had he lost. 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:57.880 Yeah, it didn't go. 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.960 Up after any debates with Clinton, go up after the 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.160 Biden debate. If I was in the Harris debate prep, 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.600 I would say, look this it's just very very simple, 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.880 and this debate can be about a lot of things, 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:10.600 like all debates are, but we have to decide what 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.240 this debate is going to be about, and what this 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.480 debate should be about is prosecuting Donald Trump. 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:15.800 Play to your strength. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.680 A lot of political consulting is grasping what a Canada 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.480 does best and reinforcing that so they take what they 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.120 do well and may help them do it great and 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.480 just let make sure what they don't do well, they 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.680 don't do it badly enough to the cost them the race. 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.120 And so she's a great prosecutor. I mean, I would say, 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:34.960 in the old Ning statement, this has never happened before 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.559 in American history. A kreparent is on stage. Fortunately there's 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:39.840 a prosecutor on stage. 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:40.200 That's me. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.520 In the course of this debate, I'm going to show 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.360 you what Donald Trump is unfit to be president of 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.000 the United States and wise a danger to the American experiment. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.679 I would just prosecute the most aggressive candidate usually win 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.559 the debate, and I think it would drive Trump crazy. 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:55.720 Do you think she'll do that? 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.640 I mean, she's been very smart about doing things that 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.320 fight the world didn't necessarily have the stomach for, but 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.200 was the right way to meet Trump where he is. 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:06.880 Do you think she'll do that? 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.360 I think that. You know, candidates tend to like to 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:10.520 do what they do well. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.319 Like athletes, fastball pitchers like to throw fast balls, so 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.920 I think she'll do more of it than not. The 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.200 danger in debates is always going into him with either 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.920 having not really felt through the goals or going in 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:24.920 with too many goals. I think you can go into 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:26.640 a debate with two or three goals and that's it 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.920 in this dynamic. I think it has been true from 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:30.600 the very beginning. I think it was two with Biden. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.840 The essential goal that the Democratic candidate now Harris has 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.480 to accomplish this That person has to represent the future, 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.240 and I think Biden had a chance to do that. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.360 Because of this policy, Harris has a better chance to 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.480 do that and to be the safer choice. I have 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.679 to make Trump a dangerous choice, and I think that 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.480 that's easy to do. I think the simplest way to 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.559 do it is to say it, don't be complicated. Voting 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.959 mac Donald Trump is dangerous. We know what he has done, 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.480 but we don't know what he will do. Whatever the 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.760 next time is going to be worse. The history of 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:06.200 authoritarians becoming less authoritarian in office is non existent. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.400 I don't want to laugh because it's so serious, but 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.040 it is true. 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.320 And you don't want to make it a necessity to 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.720 vote for Harris that you buy into all of her 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.839 proposed You may not agree with some of her proposals, 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.360 That's okay. I mean, this is what Jeff Junkin and 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.320 Adam Keinzinger were saying. You don't not to agree with everything, 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.560 but what you have to do is agree on a 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.520 few basics that we must defend in the selection, like 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:34.840 rule of law right. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.880 And then also it creates a permission structure for Republicans 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:39.600 to vote for her. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.679 The one essential element of a democracy is someone has 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.000 to be willing to lose, and Donald Trump has proven 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.880 that he's unwilling to lose. You can't have a democracy. Then, 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.680 I think that Harris should be just unrelenting in the 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:55.400 debate and not worry about mocking him, not worry about 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.160 baiting him, Just go at them. She has a very 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.480 good feel for this, and I think she's going to 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:01.199 do really well. 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.360 Do you think Trump just sort of keeps sleepwalking into 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.520 this now? I mean, do you think there's a way 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:10.880 for his people to reset the campaign when he seems 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.440 so sort of bored with running for president? 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.040 Yeah, he does seed border he's done it. Three times now. 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.720 I mean, yeah, he's basically run for president almost now 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.840 as long as he's been married to one person and 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.800 doesn't have a great track record, Trump won't allow the 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.080 campaign to be about anything but Trump, And it's just 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:32.080 a reality of it. He's uncoachable and he's not going 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.880 to follow any directions. And by bringing in Corey Lewandalski, 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.200 you're just reinforcing that. He really brought Cory Lewandalski because 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.080 he was tired of arguing with Susie Wiles and Chris Osceovido. 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.080 So now he's just going to put Corey Daron. Corey's 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:47.560 going to tell him the shadow and he can go 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.320 out and do what he wants to do. I think 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.160 that Trump is going to become increasingly desperate because at 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.560 a certain point it is going to occur to him 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.120 that he is going to lose this race, and that 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.960 that means he probably will go to jail desperate Canada, 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.600 like desperate people are usually at their most unappealing. 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.680 It just is so crazy to me that we have 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.400 a race where it's basically one person is running his 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:11.240 day out of jail. 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.080 It's so insane. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.880 We have a convicted felon, so so think about it. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.160 You're a Republican in twenty sixteen. You start out with, ah, no, no, 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.400 I can't really swallow Hillary Clinton. Let's give this guy 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.640 a chance. And then what do you end up? You 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:28.400 end up defending a sexual predator who's a convicted felon. 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.440 It's been impeached twice. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.720 Has been in peach twice, he says, any won't recognize 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:33.680 the results of the election. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:34.720 Just insane. 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:39.840 It just shows why character does count and the party 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.560 just prove that it didn't believe in anything. I don't 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.920 know any other conclusion to come to power. 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.760 Thank you so much for joining us. This was so important. 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:50.000 Thank you, Bally. 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.560 We have even more towor dates for you. 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That's Politics as 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:56.120 Unusual dot bio. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:03.120 Daniel mccanean is the editor of Bolts Magazine. Welcome back, 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.280 too Fast Politics, Daniel. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.280 It's great to join you. It's always fine. 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.000 I always think of you as like the guy who 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:14.159 knows local because you're the editor of Boltz Magazine and 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.440 Bolts does a lot of really important local election stuff, 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.159 which doesn't get a lot of coverage because we're in 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:27.000 the post post post news apocalypse. 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.640 And there's so much to track and watch right now 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:30.639 and in the next two months. 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:32.480 Obviously, Yeah, I want. 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:36.320 To talk about Florida, the school boards, et cetera. There 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:40.280 were these Florida primaries that didn't get a ton of notice, 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.400 but they did in fact involve a bunch of America 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.000 first school board candidates, and then now some of them 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.320 have advanced. These are not school board candidates, obviously, these 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.199 are other elected officials or elections have advanced to the 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:55.879 general right. 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:56.840 Can you talk about that? 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.280 Yeah, well, I think what's important context is that the 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.960 governor of Florida, you know, obviously the very conservative round 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.720 the Santas has pursued it in recent years. You know, 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.680 he's really wanted to leave a deep mark on the state, 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.360 to transform the state, take it very far to the right, 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.840 and for him, that has taken the road of being 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:17.880 very intentional about going after county level offices all over 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.439 the state. So you're mentioning school boards, but it's not 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:24.520 just that, it's also election officials, it's also DA's It 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.600 is also shriffs and so on, And that's not something 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:31.440 we always see from a governor. Obviously governors have levels 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.119 of but the centers have been particularly intentional about it. 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:36.639 So one way this has to taken form in recent 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.359 years is the school boards. As you mentioned obviously the 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.680 months for liberty groups, the conservative groups that are trying 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.879 to take more Florida's school boards have been very active 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.920 in Florida. That that's the state where the Santis has 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.080 also signed a lot of laws that affect what's going 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.360 on in schools and with book bands and so on. 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.840 And he endorsed a bunch of candidates running for school 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:58.880 board all around the. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.199 State really and a lot of them lost. 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.040 A lot of them lost on August twentieth in the primary. Yes, 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.080 and he was hoping to take over a bunch of 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.879 swing county school boards and that didn't work out in 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:10.680 some places, it did. You know, I would say it's 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.199 a mixed message, and in some places that are very conservative, 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.000 it goes a long way to have the centus say 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.240 please work for this person. But also, Mollly, i think 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.760 it's very important to pay attention to other offices. So 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.600 you know, maybe one of the craziest thing that's happening 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.240 in American politics right now is that the Centus over 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.880