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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Too Much Information, the show that brings

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Speaker 1: you the secret histories and little known facts behind your

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Speaker 1: favorite movies, music, TV shows and more. We are your

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Speaker 1: gurus of game shows, your wizards of wordplay, your van

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Speaker 1: of whites of vwel movement, spinning our wheels until we

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Speaker 1: land on bankrupt. My name is Jordan run Dog and

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Speaker 1: I'm Alex Heigel, and today we are talking about a

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Speaker 1: little show you might have heard of called say with

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Speaker 1: me now, Will Will Price of Fortune Jeopardy.

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Speaker 2: That's not the bit I should have had my air horn.

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Speaker 1: I gotta have my airhorn app up. Look at this

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Speaker 1: studio filled with glamorous merchandise, fabulous and exciting bonus prizes,

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Speaker 1: thousands of dollars in cash, over one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars just waiting to be one as we present

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Speaker 1: our big bonanza of cash on Wheel of Fortune. Rain

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, no, I know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what can you say about Wheel of Fortune?

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Speaker 1: It's the game show to end all game shows. The

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Speaker 1: Price is Right comes close in terms of being a

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Speaker 1: chaotic blur of colors and lights and audience participation. But

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Speaker 1: the thing about the Price is Right is that it's

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Speaker 1: a constant stream of smaller games. It's like a televisual midway.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have the same sense of ritual that a

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Speaker 1: show like Wheel of Fortune has. Wheel Fortune it's the

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Speaker 1: fun loving sibling of the show that it's always compared

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Speaker 1: to Jeopardy, the more restrained sister show, which shares a creator,

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Speaker 1: a studio, and a production company. By the way, Jeopardy

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Speaker 1: that's a show to aspire to. But Wheel Fortune is

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Speaker 1: a show for everyone. It doesn't require you to do

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Speaker 1: pesky things like no stuff. If you know the alphabet

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Speaker 1: and you can read, you're pretty much good to go.

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Speaker 1: Although I gotta say I absolutely suck at word games,

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Speaker 1: so I think I would probably bomb on Wheel of Fortune.

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Speaker 2: I'm much better at knowing useless crap.

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Speaker 1: For twenty six years, Wheel as those in the no

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Speaker 1: call it, It's like how Studio fifty four is just

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Speaker 1: called studio by those who are close to it, Wheel

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Speaker 1: Fortune officionados just call it Wheel. Wheel was the highest

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Speaker 1: rated show in all of syndication, held that record for

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Speaker 1: twenty six years, averaging thirty million viewers each week until

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Speaker 1: its record was bested in twenty ten by two and

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Speaker 1: a half man. Wheel Force is the longest running syndicated

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Speaker 1: game show in the United States, with eight thousand episodes

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Speaker 1: taped and aired as of June seventh, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: That's almost as many as we have.

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Speaker 2: Really, no, we're not closing it on eight thousand. It

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Speaker 2: feels like it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: It a little bit, but it was the end of

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Speaker 1: an era. Recently, as Pat Sajax said goodbye after more

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Speaker 1: than forty two years at the helm of Wheel of Fortune,

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Speaker 1: he was at the wheel of wheel hold for applause.

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Speaker 1: No uh okay. In twenty nineteen, Pat Sajak was recognized

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Speaker 1: by the Guinness Book of World Records for having the

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Speaker 1: longest serving career as a game show host of the

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Speaker 1: same show than anyone, surpassing the previous record holder Bob

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Speaker 1: Barker for the Price is Right and now Wheel of

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Speaker 1: Fortune's being handed off to Ryan Seacrest, a man who

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Speaker 1: is kind of the go to replacement for retired white

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Speaker 1: men of broadcasting. He stepped in for Dick Clark on

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Speaker 1: his New Year's Eve TV special Regis Philibt on Regis

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Speaker 1: and Kelly and Casey Cason for American Top forty and

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Speaker 1: now Pat Sajack. It's kind of a wonder he'd end

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Speaker 1: up with Jeopardy too. I'm sure Wheel of Fortune will

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Speaker 1: be totally passable with Ryan Seacrest in the same way

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Speaker 1: that Jeopardy's fine with Ken Jennings. But in honor of

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Speaker 1: the change, this seemed like a fine time to pay

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Speaker 1: tribute to this titan of the televisual realm. Heigel, what

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Wheel? I can imagine they're the

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Speaker 1: same as Gilligan's Island. None. Do I have that it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, nailed it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I mean my parents were like comedy and sitcom people

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Speaker 2: like it was. It was the two episodes of The

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Speaker 2: Simpsons that air back to back right after I finished

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Speaker 1: Now you're gonna say free jazz, Yes.

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Speaker 2: That we had the family free jazz. We gathered around

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Speaker 2: the old radio and influenced by Coltrane and Albert Eiler,

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Speaker 2: And I say that as a fan of free jazz.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I don't know, man, I just don't. I

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Speaker 2: never really The first game show and this is strikes

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Speaker 2: a personal corputtu. The first game show I really like

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Speaker 2: was appointment viewing for me was Who Wants to Be

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Speaker 2: a Millionaire?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course that's it. None of the other ones

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Speaker 2: like really Ever, Now I'm into Jeopardy because I just

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Speaker 2: sit there and spit out the answers and get furious.

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Speaker 1: But like, what do you get furious about that you're

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Speaker 1: not there or the other people don't know them both?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess yeah, I mean because you and another coworker,

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Speaker 2: Mine Lindsay ex former coworker Mind Lindsay a cup for

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Speaker 2: over at page six at the New York Post. She

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Speaker 2: was like, has like a similar obsession with Jeopardy as

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Speaker 2: dummies who did get past it.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I was like a huge trivia buff. I

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Speaker 2: and like we did fairly well. I just can't do

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Speaker 2: math and I don't care about sports. So those are

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Speaker 2: be involved. Honestly, that feels like an ethics violation of trivia. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: or like, I don't know, can we call that classiest?

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Speaker 1: Mmmm?

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Speaker 2: Kind of saying that about word games too, though, like

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Speaker 2: I literacy, Yeah, that's fine. I'm comfortable tarring them all

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Speaker 2: with the same brush. How are you at word games

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Speaker 2: like scrambles? Yeah, I mean, will afford your stuff?

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Speaker 1: I think you would do?

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Speaker 2: Not well, I mean maybe, I don't know. Do give

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Speaker 2: me example of the question, like hit me.

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Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the basic premise of Wheel of Fortune?

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Speaker 2: I am now Actually no, I'm bad at the field

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I am too. Well, that's the reputation, was that, like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, all the people that weren't smart enough to

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Speaker 1: get on Jeopardy going Wheel of Fortune? Not true. It's tough.

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Speaker 1: It's tough in a different way. Did you see that the.

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Speaker 2: Hawk Tua girl got signed with an agent?

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what hawk Tua was, and then I

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Speaker 1: explain to the listeners and to me what hawk Tua is.

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Speaker 2: No, it's just this girl from the South. She was

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Speaker 2: just interviewed on one of those talking head TikTok shows,

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Speaker 2: and her preferred sex move, she said, is the hawk Tua.

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Speaker 1: Just spits on that. How did we get here?

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Speaker 2: How did I just talking about people? Just talking about

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Speaker 2: people getting famous or getting on TV for like having

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but enough about Vana White.

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Speaker 1: I love Vana so funny.

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Speaker 2: Because like she was just like like I don't know

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Speaker 2: what your sense of women were. It was in like

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Speaker 2: your early childhood. I mean like but I just like

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Speaker 2: knew her name is shorthand for glamor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're right, even like not even like sexual,

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Speaker 2: Vana White just like that was like just like a

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Speaker 1: The name is so glamorous too. Yeah. I always thought

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Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, that was about it. Well. I have

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Speaker 1: quite literally a formative memory. I was really into like

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Speaker 1: multicolored things as a baby, So I was just mesmerized

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Speaker 1: by the wheel, by the titular wheel on Wheel of Fortune,

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Speaker 1: all the colors going round and round, and back in

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Speaker 1: the eighties, the color palette Wheel of Fortune was really fun.

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Speaker 1: like like a Teletubbies thing. It was just very vibrant

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Speaker 1: I just thought it looked so cool. And I loved

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Speaker 1: Street also did a bit around this time called Squeal

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Speaker 1: thinking it was weird. They have the Pat Sajack knock

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Speaker 2: I think that's an actual game they play in the Alabama.

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Speaker 1: I also had this game as a kid. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember this called Mister Game Show?

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Speaker 1: Do you remember this? It was just like weirdly advanced

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Speaker 1: for the late eighties early nineties animatronic game show host.

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Speaker 1: little pedestal and his name was Gus Glitz and he spoke,

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Speaker 1: that I always nursed a not so secret desire to

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Speaker 1: be a game show host. Anyway, I assume that you

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Speaker 1: have no deep, primal thoughts about Wheel of Fortune like

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: No, I really don't. I'm so sorry, man. I know

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Speaker 2: you love game shows, but uh I don't. I couldn't

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't be arst I mean no, No, that's I.

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Speaker 1: Feel like that's an appropriate level of interest and involvement

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Speaker 2: I think you're okay, okay, thank god.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's dive in from Pat say jack surprisingly storied

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Speaker 1: hilarious running with Nelly, the show's biggest fails, and everything

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Speaker 1: that goes into that big honk and wheel. Here's everything

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Speaker 1: you didn't know about Wheel of Fortune, Millionaire weakest link

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Speaker 1: that just sucked. I hated that. That's that one. I

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Speaker 1: can't get behind that one. I just thought the British

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Speaker 2: That's a point. That's what I loved about it. She

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Speaker 1: But she wasn't mean in like a funny way like

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Speaker 2: She was just mean, Yeah, we don't have to be

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Speaker 2: funny all the time. It was like saying, I thought

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Speaker 1: Jolly wow, okay, I feel I feel chastened, like so

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Speaker 1: a car. Nothing. I was really proud of that opening.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'll be more engaged. The show was the

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Speaker 1: brainchild of MERV Griffin, the same man behind Jeopardy, and

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Speaker 1: he was also a talk show titan in this era,

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Speaker 1: we know and love today. It's all this to say.

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Speaker 1: By the early seventies, Merv wanted a new game show idea,

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Speaker 1: Discussing this idea with the staff, they decided to add

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Speaker 1: This was based on Griffin always being attracted to such

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Speaker 1: I could relate to that. See, there's something very primal

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's funny that they picked like the two

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Speaker 1: Well, Heigel, why reinvent the wheel?

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Speaker 2: Ooh there it is? How many times is that kind

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Speaker 1: Oh? None? Oh? Okay, I love this. MERV and high

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Speaker 1: of Fortune wheel I got. I'm sure there's more to

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Speaker 1: it that I'm thinking. But also it's a wheel with

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sure, I'm sure there's more to it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's more to it. MERV was truly the

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Speaker 1: Wheel of Fortune. Unlike Jeopardy, I have next to no

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Speaker 1: But it was apparently called changing Keys, and it remained

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Speaker 1: in place until MERV stepped down in two thousand, at

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Speaker 1: Jeopardy theme song alone, which you'll recall he wrote on

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Speaker 1: Marlon Brando's old piano from our Jeopardy episode. So I'm

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Speaker 2: He retired as the executive producer.

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Speaker 1: That's the only reason I could think of, because they

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Speaker 2: Does it change keys that? I don't know it must,

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Speaker 2: that's just a piano bit. It's like a big band song. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's what I thought, because mrvn goes he's a big

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Speaker 2: They used the new song called Happy Wheels from two

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Speaker 2: thousand until twenty seventeen, and then they created another untitled

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Speaker 2: and all was right in the world.

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Speaker 1: A musician, a singer, a composer created Jeopardy and Wheel

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Speaker 1: and hosted a beloved talk show for over twenty years.

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Speaker 2: As you described him, a whole brand man. Yes, it does,

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Speaker 2: in fact, Oh, it does in fact change keys.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear how they do this. That's pretty impressive. Actually,

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Speaker 2: that's like actual modulation. That's not just like a truck

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Speaker 1: This is the most engaged I've ever seen you. This

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm entranced. You know this is because he's

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Speaker 2: doing like actual jazz changes in this He's not doing

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Speaker 2: world learned from Diane Warren or whomever. Like this is

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Speaker 2: like actual modulation. He goes from let's see if I

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Speaker 2: remember my theory, he goes from deflat to see natural

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Speaker 2: for the B section and then changes a third time

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Speaker 2: to A that's smooth. Oh, and then it changes keys

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Speaker 2: like every section actually, or at least this guy's arrangement does.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't put a passel merv good for him. I've

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Speaker 1: seen jazz arrange I've seen like videos of like guys

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of I mean again, that was just

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Speaker 2: used to the like key changes that it's just sounds

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Speaker 2: incredibly hip man. People used to know things. We used

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Speaker 1: Don't let the Apple podcast reviews get to ya, Higel.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to like everything. You don't have to

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Speaker 2: No, I just think it's fascinating, Like you could. It's

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Speaker 2: like that thing I always talking about with like some

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Speaker 2: was the biography of Todd Browning, who like and he

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Speaker 2: emphysema in Santa Barbara. That's like every all these different

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Speaker 1: My favorite part about MERV is that on his tombstone

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Speaker 1: Everybody liked him. Made an ungodly amount of money on

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Speaker 1: In an interview with The New York Times published in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five, MERV Griffin said, quote with a

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Speaker 1: I'm quarter sexual. I will do anything with anybody for

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Speaker 1: a quarter. Moving on, Yeah. Merv's initial incarnation of Wheel

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's still a lot of rumors that like

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Speaker 1: I think they'd changed the title at this point, and

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Speaker 1: she said if the show failed as the previous two

436
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: versions had, they could fire her, and if it was successful,

437
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: she wanted to raise the risk paid off, and within weeks,

438
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Speaker 1: Wheel of Fortune became the top daytime television show. This

439
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 1: early version was on during the day. Now. For the

440
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Speaker 1: second and third pilots of Wheel of Fortune, they hired

441
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Speaker 1: Ed Burns, who's most familiar to me is an actor

442
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Speaker 1: and comedian, but to me, he's most famous as playing

443
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Speaker 1: Vince Fontainne in Greece. He's also on the fifties TV

444
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: show seventy seven Sunset Strip. But he did not impress

445
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Speaker 1: MERV Griffin. He kept chanting to himself aeiou because he

446
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 1: was trying to remember vowels and he couldn't, so he

447
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: just kept reciting aiou aeiou over and over again, and

448
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: MERV was like, sometimes but he never did and sometimes why?

449
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. But although is that like Pluto?

450
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: Was that like a late addition where it was like

451
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: at the time it wasn't considered a swing case. Oh

452
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: good question, I don't know.

453
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 2: So yeah, MERV was like, Okay, how about we get somebody.

454
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 1: Who actually like knows the alphabet and kind of has

455
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: all that down pat.

456
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Speaker 2: So when the show went that one, that one snuck

457
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Speaker 2: up on me. How do you find someone who knows

458
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Speaker 2: the alphabet. Certainly not in the hollyweird right am? I?

459
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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Am? I?

461
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: Right? A boom the.

462
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Speaker 2: Dice man man whither injury dice class.

463
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Speaker 1: I thought that was Travolta. I thought you were keeping

464
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Speaker 1: with the Grease theme. No, no, never, can you do?

465
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,959
Speaker 1: Can you do? Your ADG's geez? Is he from Philly?

466
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Speaker 1: He's got to be from Philly. Okay, wait, I gotta

467
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: look this up. He's from New Jersey.

468
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I explained so much.

469
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Speaker 1: So anyway, this head Burns guy didn't know the alphabet.

470
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: He was out. I should make sure. Oh he is dead. Okay,

471
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: he can't sue me, and he probably is a lot

472
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: less money than the mer of Griffin estate. So they

473
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: decided to go with a different host once the show

474
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Speaker 1: went into production in December nineteen seventy four. Tell us

475
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Speaker 1: about early Wheel of Fortune host Chuck Woolery, a game

476
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Speaker 1: show legend in game show circles.

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Speaker 2: He's a very big deal. I don't know how much

478
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Speaker 2: you know about Chuck Woolery. Not much. From the show's

479
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: debut in January of nineteen seventy five to December fifteenth,

480
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, the Wheels first host, The Wheels first

481
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Speaker 2: servant really was Chuck Woolery, a TV game show legend,

482
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Speaker 2: as you mentioned, who also hosted The Love Connection, Scrabble,

483
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Speaker 2: and Greed. That sounds like a great like triptych for like,

484
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: it sounds like the sins you know, Blondes levels of hell,

485
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: The Love Connection, Scrabble, Greed, grocery shopping when you're on

486
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Speaker 2: an empty stomach. But did you know that Chuck Woolery

487
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Speaker 2: had a career as a musician in the nineteen sixties

488
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Speaker 2: as the singer for the psych duo The Avant Garde,

489
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Speaker 2: who had a top forty hit in nineteen sixty eight

490
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 2: with Naturally Stoned. What does it sound like? It's bad.

491
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: It's really bad.

492
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Speaker 1: It's like a It's like a bad version of that

493
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Speaker 1: Kenny Rodgers just came in and see what condition My

494
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: condition's in the song from The Big Lebowski. Yeah, it's

495
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: like a bad version of that, which is already It's good.

496
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Speaker 2: You're not not selling me on it, But I know I.

497
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Speaker 4: Can never make a baby without stone.

498
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Speaker 2: Chuck also got the shout out in Hey Ladies, Hey

499
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Speaker 2: Leases from the Beastie Boys in their nineteen eighty nine

500
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Speaker 2: hit off Paul's boutique I.

501
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Speaker 1: Date women on TV with the help of Chuck Woolery. Yeah,

502
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: because he was the host of a Love Connection.

503
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: We should do that record man.

504
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

505
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Speaker 2: Talking about talking about sampling.

506
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Speaker 1: Well wait a minute, though, did the Beastie Boys actually

507
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Speaker 1: show deference and shine a light to the people.

508
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Speaker 2: They did, But they sampled a lot more creatively than

509
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: just lifting an entire vocal melody and making a backing

510
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: track to it. Yeah. You see that tweet where they're

511
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: doing the raven as read by the Beastie Boys No

512
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: once a pond midnight, Well, I ponduk and weary. I

513
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: can't believe that.

514
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Speaker 1: I mean, I love the Beastie Boys. I do, shockingly,

515
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Speaker 1: I know that doesn't seem like I can't believe they

516
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Speaker 1: got as much mileage out of their bit as they did, honestly.

517
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, at least they had some talent.

518
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Speaker 1: Ye.

519
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Speaker 2: Rick Rubin is really the guy from that scene who

520
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: got the furthest on the least?

521
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Speaker 1: Did you know that ad Rock dated Molly Ringwald. They

522
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: met on the set of The Pickup Artist and then

523
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Speaker 1: he married. I can never say a name, I own

524
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Speaker 1: a sky from say anything? Oh far? Who's the sixties

525
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: pop singer Donovan's daughter, which I bet you didn't know. Yeah,

526
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: and then now he's married to Kathleen Hanna.

527
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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, He's just that's so funny

528
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: that Donovan also became like the sixties sunshine Bop guy

529
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Speaker 2: with cred all on the strength of Hurdy Gurdy Man

530
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Speaker 2: and Season of the Witch with very strategic uh need licenses.

531
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Speaker 1: Oh my God, and the David Fincher and Zodiac at

532
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie when the kids get shot

533
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: to hurdy gurdy Man, that's so good.

534
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 2: That's an incredible, incredible use.

535
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Speaker 1: Of that song.

536
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: We're going long today folks probably don't keep that one.

537
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: What when those kids get shot, it's so good? Well,

538
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: I know what you mean. It's just funny, Okay. Anyway,

539
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: the vana to Woolvery's pat was a model named Susan Stafford,

540
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: who we would get to in a bit. Woolvery got

541
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Speaker 2: in trouble early in his tenure on the show for

542
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Speaker 2: hugging female contestants after they solved a puzzle. It must

543
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: have been pretty bad because people were complaining about this

544
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: back in the mid seventies.

545
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Speaker 1: When were legal.

546
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean something something, Andrew Cuomo I don't know.

547
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: The outcry was so bad that he felt moved to

548
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: address the controversy on a show, saying during a nineteen

549
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Speaker 2: seventy six episode, I like to hug folks. I'm a hugger.

550
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 2: Is that where that comes from?

551
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 3: No?

552
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Speaker 2: I think he's as like a bit people being like,

553
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: I'm a hugger.

554
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: I yeah, I know. I don't know.

555
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: I just assume I've seen that in like multiple sitcoms,

556
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: and like it's become like it's almost like TV tropsy esque, like, oh,

557
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: that's interesting. Someone goes that, someone goes for the handshake

558
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Speaker 2: and they're like, I'm a hugger.

559
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: Are you a hugger?

560
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: I have to read the room.

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00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: Okay, that's actually that's a better you are. Actually, I

562
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: think this is something people should know about us. You

563
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: are actually a lot more warm than I would have assumed.

564
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Speaker 1: And I'm actually a lot more reserved than a lot

565
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: of people, as I usually. I was at a meeting

566
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Speaker 1: today and at an office with people I didn't know,

567
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Speaker 1: and they went and to hug me and I offered

568
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Speaker 1: my hand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I still. I mean, you know what I get

570
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: worse is the pound handshake thing. I go, oh, I

571
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: can't Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, oh, never feel so white

572
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: in those moments. As in those moments he said a

573
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Speaker 2: lot of people are handshakers. I'm a hugger. And one

574
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Speaker 2: more thing, if you were here, I'd hug you too.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like a threat.

576
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so ominous. If you were here, I'd hug If

577
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: you read it like the Werner herdgwords, I like to

578
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: hug folks. I'm a hugger. Lots of people are handshakers.

579
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: I am a hugger. Wait it's somebody was more thing.

580
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: If you were here, I'd hug you too.

581
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Speaker 1: Somebody was telling me last night that he was on

582
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: Conan's podcast and he was talking about what was some

583
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: some dumb movie that he really liked or some dumb

584
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: TV show.

585
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Speaker 2: He pops up in the most random places. Now, I mean,

586
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: he's in the He's in one of the Jack Reacher movies.

587
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: He was on an episode of, or maybe multiple ones

588
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: of the Baby Yoda star Wars thing, because there's like

589
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: a clip of him going, I would like to see

590
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: the baby so amazing.

591
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: Oh it's honey Boobo. It was honey boobo. He loved

592
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: honey Boobo.

593
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that tracks. I find her utterly fascinating. That's it's

594
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: edging into Arnold. It's a regional distinction. Woolvery hosted from

595
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Speaker 2: the show's premiere nineteen seventy five until Christmas Day nineteen

596
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Speaker 2: eighty one, except for one week in August of nineteen

597
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: eighty when a pre Jeopardy Alex Trebek filled in when

598
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: Chuck got sick. What are the many aspects that Wheel

599
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: and JEP have in common? Ultimately, as with so many

600
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: of us, Woolry's avarice would be his downfall. At least

601
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: It's fine. I've never been motivated by money in my life.

602
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: I'm a position for Christ's sake and writer. Ultimately, as

603
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: with so many of us, Woolery's avarice would be his downfall,

604
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: at least as far as Wheel of Fortune is concerned.

605
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: By nineteen eighty one, Wheel had started to do so

606
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: well in the ratings that had bested the goliath of

607
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: game shows, Family Feud, and as such, Woolery felt like

608
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: it was time to renegotiate his salary and get something

609
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: on par with what Family Feud host Richard Dawson was making.

610
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: In numerical terms, he wanted to raise from sixty five

611
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year, which seems very low even when

612
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: you adjusted for inflation. It's two hundred twenty five thousand,

613
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: which is like what the Friends guys were making. Weren't

614
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: they making a mill an episode? Them and Frasier? And

615
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: he wanted to go up to half a million MERV

616
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: Griffis said he would go as high as four hundred thousand,

617
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: which is still an enormous percentage increase. But wool We

618
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: really wanted to hold out for that extra hundred grand,

619
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: and the network was so desperate to keep things running

620
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: smoothly with their cash cow that they stepped in and

621
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: said they'd be willing to pay the extra one hundred grand,

622
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: presumably rather than Griffin having to pay it. But Griffin

623
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: refused on principle, apparently threatening to bring the show to

624
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: a rivaled network, and ultimately the door hit Woolry, where

625
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: the Good Lord split him. They landed on The Love

626
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: Connection a short time later.

627
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a little confused, and I don't really think

628
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 1: it was that interesting to get into, like who owned

629
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: what of this show? Like why MERV was able to

630
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: be like I can take this to another network whenever

631
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: I want.

632
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: I Yes, in the way the contracts. Yeah, no, I

633
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: mean brother.

634
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. This is clearly a smart man, so I would

635
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: imagine that he had smart lawyers, which is all the

636
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: more reason why I should be careful what I say

637
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: about him in this episode.

638
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: As you meditate on that, we'll be right back with

639
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: more too much information.

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00:32:48,240 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: After these messages, the new host and gig for Real

641
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: Fortune went, of course to Pat Say Jack, who made

642
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: his debut on December twenty eighth, nineteen eighty one. He

643
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: opens with a medium funny joke making fun of his

644
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: short stature. I'll probably spice in his whole little intro here.

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00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: It was very sweet. Here is your new host.

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00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: Hey John, Hey there, Maggy, Jack, Park, Morry, everyone, Welcome to.

647
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: Reel of Fortune.

648
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: Please do not adjust your sets at home. Chuck Willery

649
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: is not shrunk. A lot of people are playing with

650
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: a vertical hold right now. As Jack mentioned, my name

651
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Speaker 3: is Pat Say Jack, and I've been fortunate enough to

652
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: wander on to the set of a very successful program

653
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: has been for a long time. One of the big

654
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: reasons for that success, of.

655
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: Course, was Chuck Willery.

656
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: Most of you know by now Chuck has decided to

657
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: leave the show to concentrate on other areas, and his

658
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: career is very talented actor and singer and songwriter. So

659
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: I want to take a minute, and I know everyone

660
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: in the studio does, and all his fans around the

661
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: country to wish Chuck nothing but the best for future

662
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: success and happiness. Chuck, this is for you.

663
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: He's very self deprecating, which I think is perfect because

664
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that's what all the

665
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: best hosts are. Your job as a host isn't to

666
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: be the most dynamic person on the screen. It's to

667
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: make the other people around you look good and throw

668
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: to them and support them. That's why Jimmy Fallon sucks.

669
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: He's good at laughing, but he you know, and James Cordon.

670
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: All this generation they don't know how to defer.

671
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: They always gotta mug their way in and sing or

672
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: play guitar and grin.

673
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: People like Carson and Dick Cavitt did it right though,

674
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: because they they would show that there was a lot

675
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: more going on underneath the surface. But they were aware

676
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: that they had you know, orson Wells there, Alfred Hitchcock

677
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: or whoever Carson had on Robert Williams. It's an art.

678
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: It's an art. It is master.

679
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's definitely something else about like you know,

680
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: attention spans following by the way sidon as like you know,

681
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: talk shows died when the Internet really came out because

682
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: you didn't have you could just suddenly go to Twitter

683
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: and find out everyone's thoughts about everything, right, like so

684
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: true a celebrity telling you anymore. So they immediately had

685
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: to pivot to all the clickbaity. Nobody wants to hear

686
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: two people talk anymore. That's why we're not getting paid.

687
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: This was a pro move from say Jack, because he

688
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: wanted to be doing this his entire life. He fostered

689
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: an interest in broadcasting since he was a little boy

690
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: when he would borrow wooden spoons from the kitchen and

691
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: pretend they were microphones, which is adorable and also seems

692
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: like something I would have done. One of his earliest

693
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: gigs was at a Spanish language radio station in his

694
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: hometown of Chicago in the mid sixties. Despite the fact

695
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: that he spoke no Spanish, which always confused him, he

696
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: was hired to come in and do a news briefing

697
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: in English once an hour from midnight until six am.

698
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: Oof he would tell The New York Times two decades

699
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: later to this day, I do not know why he

700
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: was just that good. They wanted that, Sayjack magic, even

701
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: if they had no idea what he was saying. This

702
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: was in the mid sixties and fearing the draft to say,

703
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: Jack enlisted in the Armed Forces because he believed that

704
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: that would give him more of a say over where

705
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: he was stationed and what sort of job he did.

706
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: Didn't quite work out for him. After getting bounced around

707
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: in a bunch of different jobs and different basis stateside,

708
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: he wound up as a DJ on the Armed Forces

709
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: Radio in Saigon, taking over the Dawnbusters radio show that

710
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: had previously been hosted by Adrian Cronauer, also known as

711
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: the guy Robin Williams plays in Good Morning Vietnam. In fact,

712
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: Pat Sajack maintained Kronauer's tradition of kicking off each episode

713
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: with the hardy you gotta say it with me now,

714
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: you're not going to do it right. It's going to

715
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: make me mad. Good mask singer, all right anyway, ah.

716
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: Pat Sajack wrote about his experience for the Armed Forces

717
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: Radio and a piece for USO dot Org a few

718
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: years ago.

719
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: Which I thought was very nice.

720
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: He said, I used to feel guilty about my relatively

721
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: soft duty.

722
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: Oh Man, probably just the deydration talking, But God, is

723
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: that funny.

724
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: After all, I was billeted in a hotel and there

725
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: were plenty of nice restaurants around. But I always thought

726
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: a little better when I met guys who came into

727
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: town from the field and thanked us for bringing them

728
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of home. I always thought it was

729
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: strange that they should be thanking me, given what so

730
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: many of them are going through on a daily basis.

731
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: But they reminded me of the importance of providing entertainment

732
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: to those who serve something the US ow and those

733
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: very well. To this day, my fellow vets from that

734
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: era repeat those thank yous, and it's really very humbling.

735
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: My respect for those who serve has stayed with me

736
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: throughout my life, and my time in the military, particularly

737
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: my time in Vietnam, are among the things in my

738
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: life of which I'm the most proud. That's very nice.

739
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: But there's a moment from his time with the Armed

740
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: Forces Network that he is not that proud of. I'm

741
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: speaking of the time in nineteen sixty nine when he

742
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: accidentally interrupted President Nixon's Christmas message to the troops, he

743
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: continues in the piece for THEUSO dot Org. Apparently, what

744
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: I deemed to be the close to the speech was

745
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: merely an effective pause, and Nixon's paper shuffling was nothing

746
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: more than a short break to make matters worse. I

747
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: heard Nixon say, and now I'd like to speak directly

748
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: to the men and women serving our country in Vietnam,

749
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: to say the least. I had a quick decision to make.

750
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: Should I jump back on the air and confess that

751
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: I'd cut off the leader of the free world in

752
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: the middle of his address, or should I just keep

753
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: playing music and hope for the best. It was as

754
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: if a little angel was perched on one shoulder and

755
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: a little devil on the other. The angel, of course,

756
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: was right. The President was speaking, and it was my

757
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: duty to reconnect him. But I had to admit that

758
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: the devil was making some pretty good points too. His

759
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: mad argument went like this. Because the CBS feed was

760
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: coming directly into the AFN studios, I was the only

761
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: one monitoring it. So I was literally the only human

762
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: being in the world who realized that the people the

763
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: President thought he was speaking to couldn't actually hear him.

764
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: So really, what was the harm true? He was sending

765
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: holiday greetings to the troops and promising to bring them

766
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: home soon. But they were already listening to the nineteen

767
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: ten Fruit Gum Company singing one, two three Red Light

768
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: a terrible song. Heck, now I'd be cutting off that

769
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: fine song in the middle. And two wrongs don't make

770
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: a right, do they? And by the time I explained

771
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: what had happened, he might be finished anyway. In short,

772
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: the devil made me not do it. Flip Wilson joke. Yeah,

773
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: it is with pain and embarrassment that I confess the

774
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: secret of my Pat Sajak Vietnam DJ days that my.

775
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: Comrades in Vietnam never heard the.

776
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: President's words to them back in Christmas nineteen sixty nine.

777
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: So very belatedly, I want you all to know that

778
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: Richard M. Nixon wishes you a very merry Christmas.

779
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: That's great. I would have preferred it if he would

780
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: have said, like, Richard M. Nixon wants you to know

781
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: that you're some of the finest meat this country has

782
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: ever thrown into the industrial military complex. Throw your bodies

783
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: onto the agent Orange.

784
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: Weile tell us about Pat Sajack's days in the Pentagon.

785
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: It just gets weirder and weirder. Yeah, I wonder if

786
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: he ever ran into William Peter Bladdie crawling around the Pentagon.

787
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: After his stint in Vietnam, Sajack returned to the US

788
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: to work in what has been described as the bowels

789
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: of the Pentagon, running slide projectors for military officials. He

790
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: then bounced around several radio networks and then climbed the

791
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 2: ranks in a local Nashville TV station, WSMTV, ultimately taking

792
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: over as weatherman. His tenure there would lead to a

793
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: bit of music history. Apparently, Nashville songwriter Ben Peters was

794
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: watching one day when Sayjack made a comment about daytime

795
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: highs and nighttime lows. Peters liked that turn phrase, which

796
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 2: inspired him to write the song Daytime Friends, which became

797
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: a number one for Kenny Rogers in nineteen seventy seven.

798
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 2: Love Kenny Rogers.

799
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just hilarious the country singer Chicken Magnate. Come on,

800
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: that's a Springsteen song.

801
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: Say Jack made an impression was poached for NBC's Los

802
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: Angeles affiliate, where he caught the eye of MERV Griffin,

803
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: who enjoyed his odd sense of humor. When he needed

804
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: a replacement for Wheel of Fortune, he went to Say Jack.

805
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: The network brass, on the other hand, were not thrilled

806
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: the idea of handing their game show cash Cow over

807
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: to a weatherman, and a local one at that, but

808
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: Merv dug his heels in as he was wont to do, apparently,

809
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: and once again ended his meeting within NBC executives by

810
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: saying he would stop taping new episodes until they greenlit Sayjack.

811
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: Say Jack was in short order hired. The show became

812
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 2: such a success that in nineteen eighty three, Griffin spun

813
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: the show off into a syndicated nighttime edition to supplement

814
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: the network daytime edition. Real Fortune was a daytime show.

815
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: Since in the seventies and early eighties, game shows were

816
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: seen as daytime phenomenon like the Price is right, Let's

817
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: make a deal, and so forth, the top tier daytime

818
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: shows were given additional spots in primetime, usually with better

819
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: prizes and more money, which is what happened with Wheel.

820
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

821
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: I recently discovered that they did this with the Prices right.

822
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: I guess there's been a nighttime version of the Prices

823
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: Right for the last like five years that I had

824
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: no idea about until I was visiting my parents at Christmas,

825
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: and it's like the only time I ever watched Network TV,

826
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: And yeah, I didn't realize they were still doing that.

827
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: So if you're a big fan of prices, right, but

828
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: have a job, you're in luck. And you're not a

829
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: kid home sick from school, you're in luck. All this

830
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: to say started in nineteen eighty three. There were two

831
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: editions of Wheel every day. Could you think think of

832
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: a time two editions of Wheel every day? We didn't

833
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: know how good we had it.

834
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: A man the seventies, Jimmy. I actually learned today that

835
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter created the initial version of what become the Contras.

836
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: Like right before he left office, he showed the seeds

837
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: for the Contras. Everyone blames Reagan, and they rightly should,

838
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: but it was actually Carter who got that all started.

839
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: I didn't know that long dying Peanut Farmers, Okay, what

840
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: are we talking about? By nineteen eighty six, the show

841
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: was bringing in one hundred million dollars a year and

842
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: on ratings high with thirty million viewers, twice as many

843
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: as the next highest syndicated show, Mash.

844
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: That's nuts. It's double mash.

845
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: That's a share, but the whole two show thing would

846
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: be a problem. In nineteen eighty nine, when Sayjack made

847
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: the ill fated decision to host his own talk show,

848
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: game shows, you see were small potatoes to say Jack.

849
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: He'd grown up idolizing the great Jack Parr, one of

850
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: the early Tonight Show hosts. You know, I actually I

851
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: read we've read about Jack Parr, and I read how

852
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: about how he used to memorize his monologues. He would

853
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: write them in print and then long hand cursive and

854
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: then type them. And so I actually used to do

855
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: that when I had to memorize stuff. Wow, that's really cool.

856
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: Ohs not as any kind of like que card, but

857
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: just to that once he wrote it.

858
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: It was just by himself. Yeah, wow, that's really cool.

859
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: I had a teacher in high school who before every

860
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: exam he gave us a little tiny piece of paper

861
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: and said, you can take this piece of paper into

862
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: the exam write whatever you need onto it. Oh yeah,

863
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: And by the time you had done that everything he needed,

864
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: you never looked at it, because yeah, it was really smart.

865
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: They got our asses. Uh. When Parr's successor, Johnny Carson,

866
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: began to intimate that he was slowing down. In the

867
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Speaker 2: late eighties, CBS decided that they wanted to start a

868
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: late night talk show of their own to have up

869
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: and running by the time Carson hung it up. This

870
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 2: seemed like a good idea in theory, but in practice

871
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: it just meant going head to head against Johnny Carson

872
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: with a fledgling show, which was a suicide mission, as

873
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: we will find out after the sentence. For this mission,

874
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: CBS approached Sayjack, who stepped back from the net to

875
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: work daytime edition of Wheel in order to take a

876
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: shot at his dreams. The daytime edition was taken over

877
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: by Bob Gohen, later of entertainment Tonight Fame, until it

878
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: was canceled in nineteen ninety one. Say Jack continued to

879
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: host the primetime version. This all seems like weird TV

880
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 2: network stuff. There are two versions of the same show

881
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: at different times with different hosts, and ironically, the director

882
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: of Wheel of Fortune in this era was Dick Carson,

883
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 2: Johnny's brother. That's weird, ah nepotism A. CBS went really

884
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 2: hard for the Pat Sajack Show. In an interview held

885
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: a month before premiered, say Jack said he was quote

886
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: not looking to raise the level of TV, but stated

887
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: his intent to quote steal liberally from talk shows past

888
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: in present, and he would do exactly that. The ninety

889
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: minute program had all the trimmings of a Carson esque

890
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: late night chat show. There was a sidekick, an announcer,

891
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: a band. The first guest was Chevy Chase, who, in

892
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 2: true Chevy fashion, interrupted the next guest's interview on the

893
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: couch by raising his hand and asking if he could

894
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: use the bathroom's funny. This would end up being an

895
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: ironic choice of a first guest, considering Chevy would go

896
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: on to have an even bigger talk show bomb on

897
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: Fox just a few years later. Man talk shows on

898
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: Foxes where they really sent people to die. They did

899
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 2: that with.

900
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: Poor uh Joan Rivers too. Yeah. Joan Rivers, Well, that

901
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: was after she got passed over for the UH for Carson. Yeah,

902
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: because she was his official guest host. And then ye,

903
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: when she learned that his like shortlist for potential successes,

904
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: she was not even in the running for that. She

905
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: said it was like one of the worst moments of

906
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: her life. She felt so betrayed.

907
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

908
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: I wrote a piece on that is you really have people? Yeah,

909
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: hilariously say Jack's house band was led by jazz musician

910
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: Tom Scott, who then went on to serve the same

911
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: role on the short lived Chevy Chase show. You compare

912
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: this to the late night televisual equivalent of the woman

913
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: who was on the Titanic when it sank, and then

914
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: later on the Titanic's sister ship when it struck her

915
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: mind and also sank. Yeah, yeah, there is an afterlife.

916
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: She must have been so pissed off.

917
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: Both of them. And she also the Titanic's third sister ship.

918
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: A cruiser rammed it, a British naval cruiser call the

919
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: HMS Hawk, and it went kind of crippled back to

920
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: port with this big hole in it.

921
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: So she was on all three of those.

922
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: Is there a fourth one we could get her on?

923
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: Violet Jessup is her name. I have a fact about

924
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: Violet Jessup that I want to share with you. Years

925
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: after her retirement, Jessup claimed to have received a telephone

926
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,479
Speaker 1: call on a stormy night from a woman who asked

927
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: Jessop if she had saved the baby the night the

928
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: Titanic sank. Yes, Jessup replied the voice, then said I

929
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: was that baby laughed and hung up her friend. The

930
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: biographer said it was most likely some children in the

931
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: village playing a joke on her. She replied, no, I'd

932
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: never told that story to anyone before. I told you.

933
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: Now that's weird. Yeah, it wasn't weird. I like it.

934
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't like that. Oh you don't I like it.

935
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: That's weird.

936
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: See again, you're actually huggy. I'm actually into the creepy stuff.

937
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: Oh man, I found a new thing, a new pitch

938
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: for our new angle on the for the sixties. Thing

939
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: is Did you know the Black Panthers had an official

940
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: R and B band?

941
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: No, I didn't tell me more.

942
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: It's called the Lumpin', which is hilarious.

943
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: Wait, how do you spell that?

944
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 2: Lupe n And They came out of the Oakland chapter,

945
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: the original one.

946
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: Oh. The Wikipedia pages a list of their songs. Bobby

947
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: must be set free, parenthesis free, Bobby old Pig, Nixon,

948
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: Revolution is gonna come. Revolution is the only solution. We

949
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: can't wait another day. Set Sister Erica Free. I don't

950
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: know who Erica is. Huh. Well.

951
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: Despite receiving an Emmy nomination for Outstanding Art Direction and

952
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: featuring a wide range of guests from Leslie Nielsen to

953
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: Dolly Parton. Sajax show only ran for a single one

954
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five episode season from January eighty nine

955
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 2: to April nineteen ninety. To be fair, it was up

956
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,479
Speaker 2: against some serious competition. In addition to Carson, it also

957
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: had to contend with Late Night with David Letterman and

958
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: The Arseniel Hall Show, both of us which had much

959
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: more coolness cred. Despite its strong start, it eventually was

960
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: dead last in the late show ratings. The network was

961
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: not subtle in their displeasure at this They began having

962
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 2: guest hosts one day a week, a move that prompted

963
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: Sajack to say years later the show was going so

964
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: well that they actually auditioned replacements for me on the air.

965
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: One of these guest hotes was Rush Limbaugh, who is

966
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: in Hell, which led to an especially contentious bit of television.

967
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: Yes, the episode with Rush Limbaugh aired on March thirtieth,

968
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, and Yeah, Rush was gonna rush, So, in

969
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: a somewhat radical departure from this show's regular format, he

970
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: entered out into the audience. He left his desk and

971
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: went out into the audience to get a response from

972
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: the crowd about a bill that had recently been vetoed

973
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: in Idaho that would have restricted abortion. After announcing that

974
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: the bill was dead, Limbaugh approached the woman who was

975
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: cheering loudly and gave her the mic. This is when

976
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: things got tense, and the woman denounced Limbaugh's ti abortion

977
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: statements early in the show by saying women's lives are

978
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: more important than any potato. I would imagine that's a

979
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: jab at Vice President Dan Coyle's famous misspelling of potato.

980
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: Mmm.

981
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: Shelsa said, you don't know what it's about. You'll never

982
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: have a baby, you'll never be pregnant, you'll never have

983
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: an abortion, all facts. Other members of the crowd chimed

984
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: in and began to heckle Rush, leading him to address

985
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: the camera and claim that he went into the audience

986
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: in an attempt to show the viewing public that there

987
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: was an underlying prejudice against him. What a pro u.

988
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: The heckling apparently got so bad that he decided to

989
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: conduct his next interview with a guest in a different studio.

990
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: Ay, come on, I guess you were real. I thought

991
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 2: you were a red blooded American man. Rush.

992
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: It gets so much worse. After the commercial break, Limbaugh

993
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: attempted to address the topic of affirmative action, but was

994
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: heckled again by several male audience members wearing act UP

995
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: T shirts. Act UP is the activist organization of gay man.

996
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 2: I believe he's as he's awareness. Yeah, they called Rush

997
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: a murderer.

998
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: Before he could make his point, Rush sat silently with

999
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: the camera focused on him for nearly a minute while

1000
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: audience members continued shouting phrases like you want people to die.

1001
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: Limbaugh responded with I'm not responsible for your behavior. After

1002
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: another commercial break, Limball returned and conducted the final interview

1003
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: segment after the audience had been cleared. Limbaugh later claimed

1004
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: that these dissident audience members were planted by the show's

1005
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: producers as a publicity stunt. It's always the victim. Perhaps

1006
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: not coincidentally, the Pat Sajac Show was canceled two weeks later.

1007
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: CBS restored it CBS late night block of movies and reruns,

1008
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: and would not program another late night talk show until

1009
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: The Late Show with David Letterman debuted in August nineteen

1010
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: ninety three, three years later. A talk show wouldn't ever

1011
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: take over the Pat Sajack Show's old studio until The

1012
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson moved in twenty two

1013
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: years later. In September twenty twenty two, as a tribute,

1014
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: Ferguson installed an autographed publicity photo of say Jack from

1015
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: the Pat Sajack Show era on The Late Late Show's

1016
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: faux mantlepiece set, alongside those of Letterman and previous Late

1017
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: Late Show hosts Tom Schneider and Craig Kilbourne. But lest

1018
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: you feel bad for say Jack, rest assured that he

1019
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: came out ahead. His deal called for him to be

1020
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: paid for two years, regardless of whether or not the

1021
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: show actually lasted that long. So Pat got sixty thousand

1022
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: dollars a week for a while for doing nothing, and thankfully,

1023
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: say Jack's dream of hosting a talk show didn't die completely.

1024
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: He became a frequent guest host for CNN's Larry King Live,

1025
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: and also subbed in for Regis Philbit on occasion on

1026
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: Live with Regis and Kelly. He also had a wide

1027
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: variety of guest bot cameos over the years, including in

1028
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: the A Team Just Shoot Me the Commission, which is

1029
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: a show that I have no recollection of, but apparently

1030
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: he was on for five years and starred Michael Chickliss,

1031
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: The Larry Sanders Show, The King of Queens, and a

1032
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: guest vocal spot on our beloved Rugrats The Commission.

1033
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: This is wild, right.

1034
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: I have no memory of the show.

1035
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: I thought the whole thing about Chickliss was that when

1036
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: they shoot came out, they just like they had like

1037
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: plucked him from obscurity.

1038
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: I thought so too. It's all for five years. I'm

1039
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: sure we're gonna get somebody's gona tweet at us. But

1040
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: like you've ever heard of the commission?

1041
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1042
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: Man.

1043
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: Jason Alexander said he'd been offered a role in the show,

1044
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 2: but turned it down because Seinfeld got picked up for

1045
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: another season and was the most popular show of all time.

1046
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: Thank good Lord, the Commission. Wow withither the Commission?

1047
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: I know? Well, despite all these guest spots, Pat Sayjack

1048
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: is fairly adverse to publicity. Until twenty ten, he reportedly

1049
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: refused to license his face to any sort of Wheel

1050
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 1: of Fortune toys, board games, video games, or other merch

1051
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: because he was concerned about the impact it would have

1052
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: on his children, which I think is admirable. He turned

1053
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: on the cover of People magazine while promoting his talk

1054
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: show in nineteen eighty nine because he didn't want to

1055
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: be quote any place where one week it's me and

1056
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: the next week it's John Hinckley, failed President Reagan assassin

1057
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: John Hinckley and and current musician Yeah, who is requested

1058
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: to open for the Black Keys, I believe.

1059
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 2: And then Patrick Carney like retweeted it. That is just

1060
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: the most That whole is just the biggest touchy spot

1061
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: for me. I hate it so much. I know, I

1062
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 2: know it's not fair. I do genuinely think it's irresponsible.

1063
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 2: Like I get the idea of restorative justice and everything,

1064
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: but you know, the parlay that in their music career

1065
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: is Yeah. And also just that like showing that lone

1066
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: wolves eventually get what they want after long enough is

1067
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 2: a great message to send to other lone wolves. Just

1068
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: wait it out. After you kill those people, man, it'll

1069
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: turn around for you. Don't worry. You get out and

1070
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: a bunch of irony poisoned internet weirdos will make it

1071
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: make your career happen because they're just happy you tried

1072
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: to plug the worst president of all time.

1073
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: Family is forever.

1074
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: I just had a vision of John Hinckley Junior covering fame.

1075
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 2: Ah oh, so, Saint Jack is also famous Ford say

1076
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: bucking the prevailing Hollywood trend of being a liberal. It's

1077
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: not a huge accident that Rush Limbaugh guest hosted his

1078
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: talk show Say Jack keeps it off the game show.

1079
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Speaker 2: But per his Wikipedia, he is an external director of

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00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: conservative publishing house Eagle Publishing. Come on, guys, really they

1081
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: say conservatives have no creativity, but it's right there. He's

1082
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: been a member of the board of directors for the

1083
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: Claremont Institute, a conservative think tank, and he's also a

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00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: financial supporter of the Young America's Foundation, which sponsors conservative

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00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 2: speakers on college campuses. He has written for the National

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00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: Reviews website, and making his debut in twenty ten with

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00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: the piece that questions whether or not public employees should

1088
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 2: be allowed to vote on issues that would benefit them directly.

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00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: I've been told I virtue signal on this show, so

1090
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: let's just let that one lie out there. No comment.

1091
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: He also has contributed to the center right socio political

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00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: social networking site ricochet dot com, and has written articles

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00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: for a website called Human Events, which has featured headlights

1094
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 2: like opposed to Obamacare, then you must be a racist.

1095
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 2: In a direct quote from his Wikipedia page, it says

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00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: that say Jack rejects scientific opinions on climate change end quote,

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00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: end quote. And in twenty fifteen, he tweeted, I now

1098
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: believe global warming alarmists are unpatriotic racists, knowingly misleading for

1099
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 2: their own ends. Good night, good day, sir. It's like

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00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: when he was alive, James conn who would signed off

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00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 2: everything end of tweet. Yeah, yes, Say Jack elaborated later

1102
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 2: on Megan Kelly's The Kelly File that he was quote

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00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: just mocking the name calling that is directed at global

1104
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: warming skeptics within and without the scientific community. More recently,

1105
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 2: he posted for iPhoto with GOP representative Marjorie Taylor Green.

1106
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: All of this led to eight twenty fourteen article and

1107
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: slawan by Daniel Di Dario, which looks at the phenomenon

1108
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: of conservatism among game show hosts. Let's quote from it

1109
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: fairly extensively. Begin quote. Drew Carey of The Price Is

1110
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: Right has been an outspoken libertarian since his sitcom actor days,

1111
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: telling Reason Magazine as far as your personal goals are

1112
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: and what you actually want to do with your life,

1113
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 2: it should never have to do with the government. You

1114
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: should never depend on the government for your retirement, your

1115
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: financial security, for anything. Bob Barker is better known for

1116
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: his animal advocacy than for his endorsement of conservative lobbyists

1117
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: David Jolly in a special House selection in Florida. Chuck

1118
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: Woolry is as active as say Jack on Twitter and

1119
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: has written for The Washington Times, which is a notoriously

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00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: right wing CounterPunch to the Washington Post. Alex Trebek of

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00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: Jeopardy cited in a recent New Republic profile someone speaking

1122
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: approvingly of the Tea Party. Somebody was saying on television

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00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: a few days ago that the Tea Party is a

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00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: reflection of the people. There are a lot of people

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00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: out there who are not happy with the way things

1126
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: are going, and they've banded together. He seemed curious about

1127
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: the arch conservative movement, if not explicitly approving, describing himself

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00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: as apolitical, even despite having reportedly hosted a twenty ten

1129
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: Republican fundraiser. Dadario continues, but is it surprising that these

1130
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: fellows trend towards Conservatism. For one thing, they're older, affluent,

1131
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: white men, a group that outside of Hollywood doesn't vote

1132
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 2: democratic at least not recently. And these men are as

1133
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: quote outside of Hollywood as you can get while still

1134
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 2: being paid to be on camera. Sayjak has spent decades

1135
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: suffused in a self consciously retrograde environment in which his

1136
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: female co host's role is to silently smile in a

1137
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 2: brand new evening gown, and his role is to cheer

1138
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: on contestants to win money on the basis of merit

1139
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: on game shows. So the thinking goes, there's no such

1140
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: thing as luck. Indeed, FCC rules prohibit game shows from

1141
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 2: stacking the deck in favor of one contestant or another.

1142
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: And so it is that game show hosts might extrapolate

1143
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: from their experience that luck is not particularly meaningful, That

1144
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: accumulation of wealth is based on one's abilities at playing

1145
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: a game. That's the same for everyone. Articulate, well cited.

1146
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: What do you think about that? It tracks? I mean,

1147
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: the whole rich white guy thing is hardly that's like,

1148
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: that's in every industry, every creative industry. Though, I mean,

1149
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: good for him, though that. In Sajak's last appearance as

1150
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: host of the game show, he said he never incorporated

1151
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 2: politics into his hosting duties. He said the show included

1152
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 2: no social issues, no politics, and was just a game.

1153
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: This is an easy thing to say about politics when

1154
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: rich white guy. I'm not saying everyone should insert their

1155
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: political views into their art, obviously, but you know, I'm

1156
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 2: just saying that's a very easy thing to say when

1157
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: you've you have the soft hands of a creative man

1158
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 2: your entire life. He served I just like the uh

1159
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: Tracy Jordan Bitt from A thirty Rocky. He's like trying

1160
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: to connect to the working man, and he's like, let

1161
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: me feel the rough skin on your palms.

1162
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: Well, we've gone way too far without mentioning our beloved

1163
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: Vana White, who by all accounts is an honest to

1164
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: God earth angel. She replaced prior hosts letter turner Susan Stafford,

1165
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: a veteran of the Woolery Years who stayed with Sajack

1166
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: for a year before Check's notes, leaving the show to

1167
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: do humanitarian work. Very Nice. Producers were tasked with finding

1168
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: a replace for her, and Vana White was selected because

1169
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: she reportedly impressed MERV Griffin during her audition, which consists

1170
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: of walking gracefully from one side of the room to

1171
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: the other and turning letters without making a mistake. She

1172
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: enthralled MERV with her skills. She enthralled her with her acumen.

1173
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: Hannibal Lecter, thrill media with your acumen. I'll thrill it

1174
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: on that side. That was right, Yeah, and she ended

1175
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: up getting the job. And also she seems to have

1176
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: Patsagex's skills self deprecation because she would later say she

1177
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: was the last of two hundred women to audition, and

1178
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: the producers went with her because she was last and

1179
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 1: they just wanted the process to be over.

1180
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: She is, of course selling herself short.

1181
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: Vana was a game show pro, having appeared on The

1182
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: Price Is Right soon after moved to LA in nineteen

1183
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: eighty as a tested not as a model or whatever

1184
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: you want to call it. But that's not all. She

1185
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: also appeared on The Dating Game in the seventies, so

1186
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: she had two game show appearances under her belt when

1187
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: she auditioned. Despite this prior experience in the game show Realm,

1188
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: Fanna would claim that she was absolutely terrified during her

1189
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: audition and assumed she bombed. She said, I was probably

1190
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: the most nervous because they wanted this job so badly.

1191
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't even talk. I could hardly walk. My mouth

1192
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: was quavering, my knees were shaking. I thought I've blown this.

1193
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: Her nerves were understandable, because she was a hard up

1194
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: actress who slept on the floor of her apartment for

1195
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: a time because she couldn't afford a bed. But her

1196
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: fears proved unfounded and she got the gig. I found

1197
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: out I got it the day before Thanksgiving nineteen eighty two,

1198
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: and it was one of the happiest days of my life,

1199
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: she told Fox News in twenty seventeen. I was sitting

1200
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: in my apartment when I suddenly got a phone call.

1201
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: I literally screamed out loud. Fana made her debut on

1202
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: December thirteenth, nineteen eighty two, almost exactly a year after

1203
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: say Jack made his, and the first ever letter she

1204
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: turned was my favorite letter, actually a tee six. That's good.

1205
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: That's very good. Thankfully, She and Pat hit it off immediately,

1206
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: as she would describe their relationship as quote brotherly and

1207
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:18,439
Speaker 1: sisterly chemistry. Even so, he's made some comments on air

1208
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: that have raised some eyebrows and gartered headlines from our

1209
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: colleagues in the internet news trade. As one episode, Judora Close,

1210
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: Pat asked Fanna, so, when you're away from the exciting

1211
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: world of show business. Is there a place you go

1212
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: to relax? Banna replied, Yeah, to my garden in my backyard.

1213
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: It's peaceful, it's quiet, there's trees, there's birds. How about

1214
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: you say, Jack responded in deadpan fashion, you don't know this,

1215
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: but I actually go to your garden. I'm usually there

1216
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: about two or three in the morning. Don't be alarmed.

1217
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 2: That's medium funny.

1218
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: Another time, Pat asked Fanna if she was an opera buff,

1219
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: which inevitably led to him asking have you ever watched

1220
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: opera in the buff? That's not go back to more

1221
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: wholesome times topics. They've reportedly only had one argument about

1222
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: whether or not it's okay to put ketchup on a

1223
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: hot dog. Patsay, Jack is from Chicago, and it's against

1224
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: the laws of God and nature for Chicago style hot

1225
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: dogs to have ketchup. Where do you fall on that?

1226
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean we didn't. I mean I have relatives

1227
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 2: in Chicago, but we didn't enforce such purity in Pennsylvania.

1228
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: I don't really care. It's if you're like again, not

1229
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 2: to be this guy, but like, you know, what's in

1230
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 2: a hot dog? Who gives a should you put on

1231
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: it sprinkles and ventanyl on there like I don't know.

1232
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: There was also an April Fool's Day episode where they

1233
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: pretended to be married, and all of this makes me

1234
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: wonder how much of a joke this is the Pat

1235
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: Say Jack. It's all starting to see him a little,

1236
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: a little George Michael maybe from maressa development to me,

1237
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: do we think Pat Say Jack's in love with Manna?

1238
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, it's like the classic forbidden coworker thing.

1239
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's just like you're like, you know

1240
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: for decades, just like simmering in the I mean think

1241
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 2: about it the economy and the way that.

1242
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: That affair with your coworker in this economy.

1243
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: Well, yes, first one, a hotel room just for noon.

1244
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: My god, I can't rent Airbnbs by the hour, and

1245
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 2: the cleaning fees don't get me started. No, But I mean,

1246
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 2: like nobody stays at jobs, like, especially in great creative

1247
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 2: industries these days, so like you get what five six

1248
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: years before your company folds or lays you off. So

1249
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, doing it for fifty years, just

1250
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 2: lusting after someone so tantalizingly out of reach, must have

1251
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 2: corroded his soul.

1252
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: You have a lot of thoughts about this, which I was.

1253
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 2: I got I could earn my keep somehow.

1254
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: You always did well. When Vana's not bantering with Pat

1255
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: Sachek or revealing letters, her chief duty is clapping. The

1256
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: Guinness Book of World Records includes her as quote television's

1257
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: most frequent clapper. She averages more than six hundred claps

1258
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: per which comes out to nearly five million claps of

1259
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: the course of forty one seasons. I'm unclear if they

1260
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: factor in the daytime edition of the show, and that

1261
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: was on too, she was on that as well. I'm

1262
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: not sure it's all It's all very complicated. She's quoted

1263
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: as saying, it's hard to believe I don't have callouses.

1264
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: It feels great to have this achievement. And my kids

1265
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: are even more impressed than me, are they? And also

1266
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: on the topic of truly absurd stats. As of twenty nineteen,

1267
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: it's estimated that Vana White has cumulatively walked more than

1268
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: two thousand miles on the stage revealing letters going back

1269
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: and forth. Interestingly, Vanna didn't host an episode of the

1270
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: show's solo until December ninth, twenty nineteen. When regular host

1271
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: Pat Sajak took a three week hiatus to recover from

1272
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: emergency intestinal surgery. Van is also apparently a huge crossword

1273
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: puzzle fan, and takes an active role in helping come

1274
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: up with the puzzles for each game, which I think

1275
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: is great. And I helped, and she helped. Yeah. We

1276
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: can't talk about Vanna White without talking about her fashion.

1277
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: Of course, She's famously outfitted in a different gown each night,

1278
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: leading to a fervent fan base to eagerly tune in

1279
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: to see what she's wearing. This has led to a

1280
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: phenomenon known as Vana Mania. Do you remember this? I

1281
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: kind of like in the early nineties when I would

1282
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: visit my grandparents who would buy the like National Inquiry

1283
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: type stuff. I remember Vanna being like a big figure

1284
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: in that world.

1285
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, brother, I'll tell you one thing. Not

1286
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 2: too many people in my circle in Central Pennsylvania picking

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01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 2: up evening gowns.

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01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: Well, no, they weren't picking up even gowns, but they

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01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: were like, just in all what she was wearing.

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01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 2: No, we our eyes pray.

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01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 3: No.

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01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 2: I know I rag on Central Pennsylvania a lot, but no,

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01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 2: I don't remember the I don't remember a fashion component

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01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 2: being a part of it. I remember people like obviously,

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01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 2: like I said, I grew up with her as this

1296
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 2: like figure of glamour, so that's probably like thinking of

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01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 2: Anna White means glamorous, beautiful woman. But like, I don't

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01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 2: remember it being particularly like relegate, who does it was

1299
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 2: like Dala Renta or like you know, Ferragamo, like anybody important.

1300
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't.

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01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like Calvin Klein collection that I

1302
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 2: could get at Marshall's.

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01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know, but I mean I

1304
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: probably everybody. Because the popular lore states that she's never

1305
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: repeated address in her forty plus years on the show,

1306
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,480
Speaker 1: which isn't strictly true. She actually repeated one in September

1307
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and there's actually a short video about it

1308
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: on the Wheel of Portie and social accounts in which

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01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: she admits that she's finally repeating an outfit, and she

1310
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: sighs and says that it's quote so twenty twenty, as

1311
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: in yet another terrible thing to happen in a terrible year.

1312
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: Despite this horrific setback of repeating an outfit, Fana White

1313
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: has worn upwards of eight thousand dresses over the years,

1314
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: so I would absume she had something from everybody. During

1315
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: the show's season, she goes to fittings every two weeks

1316
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: and tries on between forty and sixty tresses. I've worn everything,

1317
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: White said, everything from slinky to ty to sequence, the satin,

1318
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Her favorite, she says, are the

1319
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: comfortable ones, and if one's too tight, I'm only wearing

1320
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: them for thirty minutes. I just hold my breath for

1321
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. That's horrifying. But this is this is cute.

1322
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: Pat I guess matches his tie to Vana's dress, which

1323
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: it's like a prom company. Yeah, it's a prom couple

1324
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: down bad Yeah?

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01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,440
Speaker 2: Oh she uh for a week straight, she were Bob Mackie.

1326
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 2: Oh cool. Christian Serrano has designed for her?

1327
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: Is he the guy who did piss Christ?

1328
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: That's Damien Hurst. I thought no, No, Christian Serrano was

1329
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:40,879
Speaker 2: on Project Runway.

1330
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: That was Andre Serrano. Excuse me?

1331
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 2: We everget the error.

1332
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: Piss Christ for piss Christ for those of you to

1333
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: go for going from Vana White gowns to uh, piss

1334
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: Christ is the work of American artist and photographer Andre Serrano. Uh.

1335
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: He's a perceptual artist. It's a piece that depicts a

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01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: small plastic crucifists submerged in a small glass tank of

1337
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: the artists owned urine.

1338
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 2: It's quite a beautiful photo.

1339
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: Actually, kis christ I mean it kind of those It

1340
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: wasn't called that people would like it.

1341
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 2: Does it does what it says on the Yeah, she

1342
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 2: has her own page on the website where you can

1343
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:18,919
Speaker 2: see each dress.

1344
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: Actually, wait, how far back does it go?

1345
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 2: I think it's just through the week. Although there is

1346
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: a there is a there is a substantial uh uh

1347
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 2: archival photo backist. There's a substantial pischrist on the page. No,

1348
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 2: there is a Vanna's Choice of yarn.

1349
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talk about that.

1350
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Vana White she has her own uh.

1351
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: Well, she's a big crochet. I don't know what the

1352
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: term is. Yeah, crochets, thank you. Uh. And so she

1353
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: owns her own line of yarn called Vana's Choice, which

1354
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: she donates a portion of the proceeds to Saint Jude's

1355
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 1: Children's Research Hospital, which is again she's an angel. Sadly,

1356
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: Van does not get to keep any of her gowns,

1357
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: so the production does loan them out to her if

1358
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: she has a charity event, promotional appearance, she said in

1359
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, I don't even know if I have

1360
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: a sequined gown in my closet.

1361
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: Tragic.

1362
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: However, some think she does have a lot of our

1363
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: classic cars. A woman after my own heart. She's an

1364
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: avid collector, with her two favorites being a nineteen fifty

1365
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: seven Thunderbird very nice and a nineteen eighty two Rolls

1366
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: Royce Silver Spur also very nice.

1367
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 2: Looks like she's a stylist for the Show's a guy

1368
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 2: named Johnny Woojack or Woodjack who's worked with a lot

1369
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: of different celebrities, including Katie, your beloved Katy Perry. He's

1370
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 2: from Detroit. Oh, he did the cupcake and functioning whipped

1371
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 2: cream bras for Katy Perry.

1372
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 1: Oh no way, Well one is that fired?

1373
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly?

1374
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: That is very cool. Well, Vana, why can't afford to

1375
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: get all the cars in yarn she wants? Because her

1376
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: net worth is estimated at around eighty five million. Heigel

1377
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: tell us about how she got.

1378
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 2: There, will thank you, Vanna. Her salary for Wheel was

1379
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 2: reportedly ten million dollars a year, but she makes upwards

1380
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 2: a fifteen million by licensing her name and image for

1381
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 2: casino slot machines. Yeh did not have that one on

1382
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 2: my on my bingo card. As of twenty twenty two,

1383
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 2: there were two hundred and fifty iterations of Wheel of

1384
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 2: Fortune slot machines in use that have paid out more

1385
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: than three point three billion since their debut in nineteen

1386
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 2: ninety six. That is oil money, that's farma money. Holy,

1387
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 2: this country has a problem. In twenty twenty three, story

1388
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 2: made the rounds that Vanna had hired the services of

1389
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 2: the highly aggressive Big League attorney Brian Friedman. This report

1390
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 2: stated that White's last rays on the job had come

1391
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 2: some eighteen years before, and that she had instead enjoyed

1392
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 2: lucrative but inconsistent bonuses attached to her initial contract. It

1393
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 2: also highlighted an alleged gap in her pay compared to SAJAX.

1394
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 2: It was one source that said she was making three

1395
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 2: million to Say Jack's ten million, but then she successfully

1396
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 2: renegotiated her deal for the celebrity Will of Fortune spin off,

1397
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 2: netting one hundred grand an episode to say Jack's four

1398
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 2: hundred thousand, which sources told TMZ was quote a meaningful bump,

1399
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 2: and TMZ knows about meaningful bumps. Harvey Levin was our

1400
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 2: guest on Paulin could at a yeah, you sent me

1401
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: the you sent me the edit room happening. Man, That's

1402
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 2: that's my day, okay. Apparently for the syndicated wheel show,

1403
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 2: she wants fifty percent of what say Jack made. No

1404
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 2: TMZ was not forthcoming about what his his salary exactly is.

1405
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 2: It's clear that they aren't willing to go that high

1406
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 2: with her. There was a report in The New York

1407
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 2: Post today you mentioned that as of taping, White is

1408
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 2: allegedly having difficulties working without say Jack. The source told

1409
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 2: Daily Mail there's a part of her that wanted to

1410
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 2: walk away sooner. It's just so difficult to do this

1411
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 2: without Pat vana Field. She has put her time in.

1412
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 2: He wants the show to continue. This will require a

1413
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 2: younger female host, someone who can be to Ryan, which

1414
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 2: she was to Pat. Another source claim that she has

1415
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 2: problems working with Seacrest, saying she doesn't jibe with Ryan

1416
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: like she did with Pat, and no one really ever

1417
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 2: expected her to make of that what you will.

1418
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: That makes me sad.

1419
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 2: I mean, who could deal with Ryan Seacrest. He's a vacuum.

1420
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 2: You said earlier, that's his whole thing's being inoffensively on air,

1421
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: taking up space.

1422
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: He must have so much money, so much money, He's

1423
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: a back end of Kardashians. Yeah, according to Parade, half

1424
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: a billion dollars billion with a bee sounds about right?

1425
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 2: Who all right? Well, speaking of bad things, a Vanah

1426
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 2: White took on Playboy in nineteen eighty seven. She appeared

1427
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 2: on the cover of Playerboy wearing only a long sleeved shirt,

1428
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 2: and the inside I had spread featured her semi nude

1429
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 2: in suggestive poses. That's my new Twitter bio by the way. However,

1430
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 2: White didn't pose for the magazine. The photos were actually

1431
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty two and were taken immediately prior to

1432
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 2: her getting the Wheel of Fortune gig. That's low by Playboy.

1433
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 2: I would have thought that was a more of a

1434
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 2: penthouse move.

1435
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: Well, that's what they did with Marilyn Monroe. The photos

1436
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: of Maryland on the first episode of first issue a

1437
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: Playboy they purchased she had done years earlier, Like many

1438
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: years earlier.

1439
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 2: I think, nice, What a great industry. When I first

1440
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 2: moved to Hollywood, she said, I was too embarrassed to

1441
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 2: ask my dad for rent money. I was young, and

1442
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 2: I wanted to do it. On my own, so I

1443
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 2: did these lingerie shots, and from the moment I said

1444
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 2: I would do them, I thought I shouldn't be doing this,

1445
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to ask my dad for money,

1446
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 2: so I'm just going to do it. These pictures were

1447
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 2: then purchased by Half once she'd been made famous, and

1448
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 2: he misrepresented it to look like she'd agreed to appear

1449
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 2: in the magazine. White subsequently fouled a five point two

1450
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,799
Speaker 2: million dollar lawsuit against Playboy, claiming the photos quote tarnish

1451
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 2: her image as a modest, wholesome, attractive, and innocent all

1452
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 2: American girl, and she also sued Hefner in federal court. Eventually,

1453
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: White dropped both lawsuits, claiming a statement that Playboy's promotion

1454
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 2: efforts have led the public to believe that the photographs

1455
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: are more revealing and provocative than they actually are. Been

1456
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 2: Post reported in nineteen eighty seven, non publication of the

1457
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 2: photographs under these circumstances may very well be more damaging

1458
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 2: to me in my career than the injury which I

1459
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:30,480
Speaker 2: will undoubtedly suffer from publication. After the issues hit newsstands,

1460
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 2: as The Post reported, she went on Johnny Carson apologized

1461
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 2: for her lacy wrongdoing, incredible work by that copy editor

1462
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 2: and begged the public for forgiveness. Lacy wrongdoing. I've had

1463
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 2: a couple of those in my life. But things turned

1464
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 2: around for Vanna. Aside from her immense riches and half

1465
01:16:55,520 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 2: assed job. Oh come on, let me say the quiet

1466
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 2: part out loud.

1467
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:03,759
Speaker 1: She seems like a nice person.

1468
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 2: That's great for her. Nice people can profit from a

1469
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 2: system that rewards nothing. Miss too.

1470
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 1: She got a shout out from Nelly O that see Nelly,

1471
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 1: friend of the pod Nelly in the song ride with me,

1472
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: Nellie Raps.

1473
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 2: Can I make it damn right? I'd be on the

1474
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 2: next flight pan cash first class, sit next to Vana White.

1475
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: You could have done that better. I just want to

1476
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: say no.

1477
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 2: I like doing it. The podcaster Cadence R Cadence, it's

1478
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 2: a chart and reading.

1479
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,759
Speaker 1: The ice tailor Die Die Die Die.

1480
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 2: Die Die Pig Die. For years, Vanna didn't understand why

1481
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 2: she'd made it into his song. She would say, I

1482
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: was at an Easter party years ago and Nelly was

1483
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 2: at that party side note what party oral history on

1484
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 2: that party? When I went up to him and I said,

1485
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 2: did we ever sit next to each other on an airplane?

1486
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 2: And he said, no, it just run true story. She

1487
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 2: then added, my kids were blown away. They thought I

1488
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 2: was really cool that I was in a Nelly song

1489
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 2: on the radio. That was one of the highlights of

1490
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 2: my career for my children, like, wow, mom, great song.

1491
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 2: I was popular on that one. I get a big

1492
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 2: kick out of it.

1493
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 1: It was almost as cool as I'm learning that I

1494
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: clapped my way into the Guinness Book of World Records.

1495
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 2: What was the methodology behind that?

1496
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. She does clap for like

1497
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 1: most of her time on the show. I guess are

1498
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,799
Speaker 1: the counting them? Did they have something every single episode?

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01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean that I don't know. It might

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Speaker 1: have just been on average. They might have taken an

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01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: average for a couple of seasons.

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01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 2: That's a lazy reporting, Guinness.

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01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 1: My guess is that somebody like just made an assumption.

1504
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: Hm hm uh. Well, here's a real clunker of a transition.

1505
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: But Vana White didn't just get piles of cash from

1506
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: her time on Wheel of Fortune. She also got crucial

1507
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 1: support from fans during some of the most difficult times

1508
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 1: in her life. In nineteen eighty six, she was preparing

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01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: to marry her longtime boyfriend Josh Gibson, who my notes

1510
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: tell me was a nationally famous Chippendale dancer, sculptor and

1511
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: carpenter who'd appeared on the soap opera The Young and

1512
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: the Restless and also had a bit part in The Warriors.

1513
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: So up there with Merv Griffin in terms of being

1514
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 1: a whole brains guy, I needless to say, a soap

1515
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: star hunk dating a game show queen was tabloid gold

1516
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: in the mid eighties and their relationship was huge news.

1517
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: But then the single engine plane Gibson was piling crash

1518
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 1: during its final approach to Van Nuys Airport in nineteen

1519
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: eighty six, and he was killed right before they were

1520
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 1: due to be married. His body was burned so badly

1521
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 1: that they could only identify him through using dental records.

1522
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: After taking a brief leave of absence from Will of Fortune,

1523
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: White helped heal thanks to wheel fans. She told our

1524
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: friends at People Magazine. I think it was our friend

1525
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 1: Jillian telling Actually I heard from so many people who'd

1526
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: share the the same experience of losing someone instantly in

1527
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: an accident, and that really helped me. I didn't feel

1528
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: like I was alone, because when something like that happens

1529
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: you immediately think you're the only one. She would draw

1530
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 1: on the strength of fans once again in nineteen ninety two.

1531
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 1: By this point, she had married restauranteur George Santo Pietro,

1532
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: and she was thrilled to announce her pregnancy in the

1533
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: most fitting way possible, a puzzle on we La Fortune

1534
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: that revealed the message Vana's pregnant. She would later say,

1535
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: I so wanted to be pregnant and have a baby,

1536
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: so then when I finally got pregnant, I wanted to

1537
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: tell the world immediately. But a week after revealing her

1538
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: pregnancy on the show, she suffered a miscarriage. Obviously, I

1539
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 1: lost the baby, which is devastating after announcing it losing

1540
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: a child, she says, there's nothing good about that. The

1541
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: good news is that I was able to get pregnant

1542
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 1: again and had two beautiful, healthy children. She's the mother

1543
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: to son Nico, born in nineteen ninety four and daughter Gigi,

1544
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: born in nineteen ninety seven. H Jesus Christ, Well, all

1545
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: that makes this next part a little more understandable. Apparently,

1546
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 1: Vanna and Pat would throw back quite a few drinks

1547
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: between tapings, at least earlier in their career. This revelation

1548
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: came from Sajack during a twenty twelve appearance on Dan

1549
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: Lebtard's ESPN two show Highly Questionable. LeBatard asked if he'd

1550
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: ever that's a really hard name is say, asked if

1551
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: he'd ever been drunk while taping the show, and Sajack's response, Vana,

1552
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: and I would have two or three or six drinks

1553
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: and then come and do the last shows and have

1554
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 1: trouble recognizing the alphabet. I had a great time. I

1555
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: have no idea if the shows were any good, but

1556
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: no one said anything, so I guess I did, Okay.

1557
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,759
Speaker 1: I seem to remember that this revelation. Do you remember

1558
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: this like led to all these headlines that basically compared

1559
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,520
Speaker 1: Wheel of Fortune to like Saturday Night Live in the seventies,

1560
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: which is emphatically not true. But remember this made like

1561
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: a lot of news when this came out. Really yeah,

1562
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: that was like my first like two or three years

1563
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: working in the blogosphere. It was the Obama years. Things were,

1564
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 1: things were a lot calmer than Celebrities hadn't really figured

1565
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: out Twitter as a place to vent their poorly thought

1566
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:04,839
Speaker 1: out ideas.

1567
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 2: And that's wild man.

1568
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break but we'll be right

1569
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: back with more too much information in just a moment.

1570
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 1: Now we're going to talk about the real star of

1571
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 1: the show, the Wheel, the famous Wheel of Fortune, you'll remember,

1572
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: weighs two four hundred pounds and is equipped with more

1573
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 1: than two hundred computerized lights which can turn up to

1574
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: two million different colors. And didn't even know it were

1575
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: two million different colors. It gets its trademark thudding ticking

1576
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: sound from seventy three stainless steel pins that fly past

1577
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: three rubber flippers, and because of the wheel's unexpected heaviness,

1578
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 1: all contestants are given a practice spin before taping.

1579
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 2: Is it made in America? Oh? Oh yeah, I guess

1580
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 2: with say jack, Yeah.

1581
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. Given all these intricacies, there's only one wheel,

1582
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: only one wheel and one puzzle board. It's just like Highlander.

1583
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: There can be only one The wheel and the game

1584
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,799
Speaker 1: board must be broken down and put back together. Whenever

1585
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 1: the show goes on the road, which is fairly often,

1586
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a real hassle. The show travels with

1587
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: more than one million pounds of equipment to tape in

1588
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: locations all across the country, and these excursions sent them

1589
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 1: back almost two million dollars each time. The show must

1590
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: mint money between transit costs prize money.

1591
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 2: Say Jack and White's salary. That's that's nuts. That's five

1592
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 2: hundred tons. Yeah, that's two hundred and fifty elephants worth

1593
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 2: of crap. Taylor Swift equipment.

1594
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: Oh, I like where your head's going.

1595
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 2: Taylor has It takes eighty four trucks to hold the

1596
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 2: equipment for one set. There's a post of it for

1597
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 2: Tailor Swift. Yeah, a year ago with all of these

1598
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 2: trucks lined up, and to end, it looks like a

1599
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 2: It looks like an Amazon warehouse. This makes the wall

1600
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 2: of sound look like a Bluetooth speaker. I can't find Tonnage,

1601
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,679
Speaker 2: but the Era's tour had a fleet of ninety trucks

1602
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 2: that cost five hundred thousand a week.

1603
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: That sounds low to me.

1604
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 2: She wrote each truck driver a bonus check of one

1605
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 2: hundred thousand before the end of the tour. That's kind

1606
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 2: of nuts. Yeah, it says the bonus. Because there were

1607
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 2: fifty drivers associated with the tour, it was about five

1608
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 2: million dollars worth. But you know the tour made a

1609
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 2: billion dollars. Oh, here you go. As of twenty fifteen.

1610
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 2: The worldwide freight forwarder for the Tailor Swift Tour that

1611
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 2: year was six hundred and thirty five tons, So suck it.

1612
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 2: Wheel of fortune. You don't have as much as Tailor.

1613
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 1: But do they have the wheel?

1614
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 2: That she does not have the wheel? Jordan, But does

1615
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 2: she have the wheel? You don't understand. This has always

1616
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 2: been about the wheel. There's nothing else but the wheel.

1617
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 1: Just like picturing the opening of Raiders with the lost arc,

1618
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 1: but instead of a bowlder, it's just the wheel fortune, wheel.

1619
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 2: Oh man, too funny? Am I supposed to be talking?

1620
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I was waiting for a bigger laugh

1621
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: that never came.

1622
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 2: Again. My Twitter bio.

1623
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 1: The wheel's co star is, of course, the puzzle board.

1624
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 1: There are four rows of letters, with twelve spots on

1625
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: the top and bottom rows, and fourteen across the two

1626
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: middle rows. The longest puzzle to date. This will interest

1627
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: you Here, This will interest you was reportedly she just

1628
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: won a seventh US Figure Skating Championship, which should use

1629
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: forty seven characters, including spaces. The puzzle with the most

1630
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: characters not counting spaces is Hershey Bar Graham cracker, gooey

1631
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: roasted marshmallow with forty six characters that paid for a

1632
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: move to get that wheel across the country.

1633
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 2: What the fuck does that mean?

1634
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: Hershey Bar Graham Cracker. I don't know. Maybe his words

1635
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: are in the Bible. I mean it's a recipe for

1636
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: us some more, But I don't know why that would

1637
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: have been used. Og Wheel fans know that for many years,

1638
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 1: the game board was manual, with letters that had to

1639
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 1: be spun around by hand, hence the reason Vanah White

1640
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: has a job. But then this changed when producer Harry

1641
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: Friedman took over the show in nineteen ninety five. He

1642
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 1: was frustrated by the fact that it took an hour

1643
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 1: to take a half hour show, and he soon discovered

1644
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 1: that this was due to the letter board having to

1645
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 1: be reset manually after every puzzle. Eventually, in February nineteen

1646
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 1: ninety seven, a new electronic board was introduced, which featured

1647
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,719
Speaker 1: fifty two touch screens, helping to shave the recording time

1648
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: down to thirty minutes. But he also executive produced Jeopardy,

1649
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: which was more in the thirty minute range, so I

1650
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 1: think he was probably like using that as as the yardstick,

1651
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,719
Speaker 1: and then when he retired, they got that Mike Richards

1652
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: guy that created the whole succession crisis on Jeopardy.

1653
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:04,440
Speaker 2: Huh.

1654
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's also a smaller screen off camera for Pat Sajak,

1655
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 1: which indicates how many times a chosen letter appears in

1656
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: the puzzle. That's why he was like, we got two bees.

1657
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: He's not like sitting there pointing and counting it out

1658
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: in the early days of the show. My god, I

1659
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: mean for fifty million dollars a year. Yeah, so this

1660
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: is great. Though, for the early days of the show,

1661
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: somebody from the production sat off camera and held up

1662
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 1: fingers to signal the pat, and they became known as fingerboys.

1663
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 2: Hey, just like at the Vatican.

1664
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll move off of that. Sadly, the fingerboys became

1665
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 1: a victim of automation, but thankfully then it endures. Nevertheless,

1666
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: she persisted, contestants have a similar screen out of view

1667
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: that lists all the letters have been guessed, so they

1668
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 1: don't have to endure the embarrassment of asking for the

1669
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 1: same letter twice. And as we will touch on, there

1670
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: are plenty of other ways for contestants to embarrass themselves

1671
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: on this show, but we'll get to that later. Here's

1672
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: a fun fact that doesn't really fit anywhere else. The

1673
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: price of a vowel has been adjusted for inflation over

1674
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 1: the course of the forty years of this show. It's

1675
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: still only two hundred and fifty dollars.

1676
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 2: Now, that's good, damn bargain.

1677
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 1: I know, I know.

1678
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 2: That's why I just knocked over my microphone.

1679
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: Speaking of things that are equal, there's also a platform

1680
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 1: to ensure that all contestants on this show are the

1681
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: same height.

1682
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and say, say Jack short, right,

1683
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 2: I think so.

1684
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's why he made a joke about

1685
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 1: it when he when he first came. Yeah, that's all

1686
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: is a.

1687
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 2: Five ten, perfectly cromulent height to be. This is according

1688
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 2: to W. Lky in twenty fifteen, say Jack said, in

1689
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 2: the early seasons of the show, they put shorter testants

1690
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 2: on risers so that they could see over the podium.

1691
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 2: It's been the wheel. But what happened was that had

1692
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 2: the effect of making say Jack seem much shorter than

1693
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 2: he was, because he said he I would walk next

1694
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 2: to a great grandmother on the show, and I would

1695
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 2: walk next to her and people thought I was a jockey.

1696
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 2: So now we are on risers and when they go up,

1697
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 2: I go up and we stayed the same size, but

1698
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 2: it got ingrained in people that I was about four

1699
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 2: foot three. The other factor in this would be that

1700
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 2: fan of White is of course fine heels and on heels,

1701
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 2: but he just radiates short guy energy.

1702
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: Now we have to talk about the necessary evil of

1703
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 1: Wheel of Fortune, the contestants. Since nineteen ninety five, the

1704
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: show has been filmed at the Sony Picture Studios in

1705
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 1: Culver City, California, right next door to the Jeopardy sound stage,

1706
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 1: and I believe the same sound stage if I recall correctly,

1707
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: that was it of Oz was filmed. So it's Hella

1708
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:55,639
Speaker 1: haunted because they share many of the same crew. Wheel

1709
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 1: has a tape on a different day than Jeopardy. An

1710
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 1: entire season of Wheel of Fortune is filmed in less

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01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 1: than forty days. They shoot one day a week, with

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01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: five or six shows filmed per day. That's a good

1713
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: I like that. More than ten thousand people try out

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01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 1: each year to get on the show, but fewer than

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01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 1: six hundred get selected. To date, over one million fans

1716
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: have applied for a chance to be contestant on the show.

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01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:22,560
Speaker 1: To get on Wheel, the first thing you have to

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01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: do is fill out an online application, which is free

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01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 1: to submit. The form must include a short personal video, however,

1720
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 1: which sounds cringe as hell. The one quality the casting

1721
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: department looks for, of course, is confidence. As per the

1722
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: show's website, it's important that the game show moves along

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01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,639
Speaker 1: quickly and that the players are decisive in calling out

1724
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: their letters with a strong, confident voice and in choosing

1725
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 1: their game strategy parentheses, whether to spin by a vow

1726
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 1: or solve the puzzle. It's all about strategy.

1727
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 2: What should I do by a vowel?

1728
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: It's cheap? Okay, the one they're going to go up

1729
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 1: in value? Yeah, it's free real estate, Yes, verbal real estate.

1730
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: The vetting process for Wheel of Fortune is surprisingly strict.

1731
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: There are a number of criteria that will immediately disqualify

1732
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: a contested from eligibility. Any person who's previously appeared on

1733
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 1: any incarnation of the show, even teen week, can't be

1734
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: a contestant. Anyone who's appeared on a game show or

1735
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 1: reality show in the last year or three shows in

1736
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:28,679
Speaker 1: the last ten years is also ineligible. Also, you can't

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01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: work for or be related to anyone who's any connection

1738
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 1: to the show. I think these are all vestiges of

1739
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 1: the quiz show scandals in the fifties when it became

1740
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: went all the way to the Senate floor investigating shows

1741
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: that proved to be rigged, and that was racketeering.

1742
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 2: What's the official term for that is fraud? I think, yeah, Now,

1743
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 2: racketeering is I think it wasn't like a numbers charge,

1744
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 2: but because it had such strong interstate trafficking penalties, that's

1745
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 2: how they ended up getting all those guys atually thrown away.

1746
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: Backteering is a type of organized crime in which the

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01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 1: perpetrator is set up a coercive, fraudulent, extortionary, or otherwise

1748
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 1: a legal, coordinated scheme or operation to repeatedly or consistently

1749
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 1: collect a profit. So it's just a scam. Scamming. It's

1750
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:14,879
Speaker 1: a fancy term for scamming.

1751
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 2: I guess, oh, yeah, here it is the nineteen seventy

1752
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 2: reco Act. It means any criminal scheme or operation with

1753
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 2: ongoing or reoccurring profit, so all of them. Yeah, it

1754
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 2: was codified in nineteen seventy to come against the mafia.

1755
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 2: Just so much Italian American discrimination in this country. I

1756
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 2: knew you were going there.

1757
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 1: Also, there's discrimination against Canadians, un least as far as

1758
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:46,480
Speaker 1: Wheels Fortune is concerned, well, I mean, per the online application,

1759
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 1: Wheel of Fortune is not currently accepting any contestants from Canada.

1760
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 1: That must not have sat well with famed Canadian Olestra

1761
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 1: back just a show host.

1762
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of anything I could say about that,

1763
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 2: about relating to like rush.

1764
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 1: Zare a white Why is he joke in there? But

1765
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 1: why why z?

1766
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 2: I know, yes, let's break these stats down into cold

1767
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:07,799
Speaker 2: hard cash.

1768
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 1: Though.

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01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 2: Since its syndication debut in nineteen eighty three, Wheel has

1770
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 2: awarded more than two hundred client Wheel Like it's a propert.

1771
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: I know, it's really funny.

1772
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 2: Call me Wheel. My father was mister Fortune. Wheel has

1773
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 2: awarded more than two hundred and fifty million dollars in

1774
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 2: cash and prize to its contestants. According to production, The

1775
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 2: most money ever Wondering regular gameplay occurred on December twenty sixth,

1776
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. The lucky contestant was Matt de Santos. He

1777
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 2: managed to win a record ninety eight hundred and ninety

1778
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 2: two dollars before the bonus round. Amazingly, he guessed one

1779
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:44,800
Speaker 2: of the first puzzles with just one letter E turned over,

1780
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 2: and then every puzzle after. He didn't end up winning

1781
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 2: the bonus round, but his payday was the largest main

1782
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 2: game win in the show's history. Now, this doesn't include

1783
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 2: the occasions when the game is played with a million

1784
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 2: dollar wedge. Since his introduction in two thousand and eight,

1785
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 2: there have been contestants who have hit it big. The

1786
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 2: first winner Michelle Lowenstein one on August eighth, two thousand

1787
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 2: and eight, eight eight eight, which incidentally was one month

1788
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 2: and a day after getting married. She won the one million,

1789
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 2: twenty six thousand and eighty dollars prize shortly after returning

1790
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:20,719
Speaker 2: from her honeymoon, and her final puzzle was leaky faucet.

1791
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna make a joke there. She was the

1792
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:27,800
Speaker 2: biggest payout until May of twenty thirteen, when Autumn Earnhard

1793
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 2: Autumn Earnhard, that sounds like a Nazi rocket scientist the

1794
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:39,639
Speaker 2: government hired took home a million dollars one million, thirty thousand,

1795
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 2: and three hundred and forty dollars after she guessed the

1796
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 2: phrase tough workout with only four letters on the board.

1797
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 2: See that's I think this gets at my heart of

1798
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 2: like the what I don't like about Wheel is how

1799
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 2: stupid these all are. Yeah, it's like the New York Times.

1800
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 2: It's the inverse of the New York Times Crossword where

1801
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 2: they go out of their way to make in like

1802
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 2: obnoxiously obtuse dominym or frasal or idiomatic jokes that just

1803
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 2: like make you want to strangle Will Shortz. This is

1804
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 2: just dumb, like your tough workout.

1805
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,640
Speaker 1: You're right, I mean, And we'll get to that in

1806
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 1: the section of screw ups on this show, basically where

1807
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:18,640
Speaker 1: there are some phrases that are just like, that's not

1808
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: that's not a phrase.

1809
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 2: Anyway. That was on top of the other thirty grand

1810
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 2: that Frauline Amhod took home earlier on the show a

1811
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 2: year after autumn in.

1812
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 1: Twenty fourteen, from the makers of five hundred Days of

1813
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 1: Summer Comes a year after Autumn.

1814
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 2: Math teacher Sarah Manchester rounded out the top three with

1815
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 2: a one million, seventeen, four hundred and ninety dollars in earnings.

1816
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 2: So she won the prize during Wheel of Fortune's Teachers

1817
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 2: Week with the puzzle loud laughter in stupid riots laughter.

1818
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 2: That's definitely one thing sure like loud. On the flip

1819
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 2: side of all this, we have the most unlucky person

1820
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 2: to ever win or to ever play Wheel of Fortune.

1821
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 2: Obviously he did not win. His name is James Puster.

1822
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 2: That's a weak name, and he appeared on the episode

1823
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 2: that aired on March tenth, nineteen ninety eight. He was

1824
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 2: the first person to hit bankrupt on the wheel four

1825
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 2: separate times. He was greeted after the show by the

1826
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 2: producers who informed him of this dubious honor. Reportedly, he

1827
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 2: never watched the game show again after that experience, and indeed,

1828
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 2: Wheel of Fortune can be a cruel game. For example,

1829
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 2: the episode that aired on April ninth, twenty eighteen, when

1830
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 2: one unfortunate contestant lost all of the money he'd earned

1831
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:41,440
Speaker 2: that round by mispronouncing a word. The solution was Flamenco

1832
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 2: dance lessons, but the man pronounced Flamenco as flamingo. Well,

1833
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 2: that's fine, you got the word wrong. That's a different word.

1834
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:54,520
Speaker 2: That's what that means. Words have meaning, I bet, he says. Supposedly,

1835
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:58,919
Speaker 2: oh oh, come on, one says that people do Sayjak

1836
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 2: even promised to review the footage during a commercial break

1837
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 2: to be sure, but the mispronunciation was clear and he

1838
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 2: lost it all. This is sad. The mess ups but

1839
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 2: as we mentioned, sometimes the contestants deserve it. Another case

1840
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,560
Speaker 2: in point would be the Indiana University suit who participated

1841
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 2: during one of the College Edition episodes. He had had

1842
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 2: every single letter up on the board and all he

1843
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 2: had to do was read it aloud to solve the puzzle.

1844
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 2: The answer was mythological hero Achilles. In instantly viral moment,

1845
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 2: he said, mythological hero Atus.

1846
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 1: That okay, it's like every syllable on that was pronouncing correctly.

1847
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 2: He did not win. He made similar other boner movies

1848
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 2: as you write in the show as well, notably guessing

1849
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:54,640
Speaker 2: on the spot dice spin one word instead of on

1850
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 2: the spot decision. One of the great delights of watching

1851
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 2: Real Unfortune is indeed to see the chance of some

1852
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 2: truly hilarious boner moments on television. And Jordan, you know

1853
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 2: you've been on a game show, so grading on a curve,

1854
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 2: how how big of boner moments are these?

1855
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 1: Truly they're pretty big. I mean, I know, I was

1856
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 1: on whos Topay a millionaire and I I'm not a millionaire,

1857
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 1: so clearly I made a boner move or to myself.

1858
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I mean it's obviously tough like your

1859
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: brain does weird things when you're you know, in the

1860
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 1: center of the stage and everyone's looking at you and

1861
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:31,760
Speaker 1: the lights are all on you and the cameras are

1862
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 1: on you and stuff. But these are these are pretty bad.

1863
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 2: Hit me.

1864
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 1: Let's see. One answer was a list of the seven Dwarves,

1865
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:42,559
Speaker 1: but instead of Sneezy, the contest that said sneaky, which

1866
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 1: I guess when you think about it, makes just as

1867
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 1: much sense as sneezy. During one puzzle, contestant thought the

1868
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: painted desert was the pointed desert, which isn't so bad.

1869
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 1: But then they moved on to the next contestant, who

1870
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 1: I guess wasn't listening because then he also said the

1871
01:38:57,560 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 1: pointed desert.

1872
01:38:59,000 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 2: That's funny.

1873
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 1: This is my favorite. One time the answer was self portrait,

1874
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 1: and someone said self potato. The answer was all you

1875
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 1: can eat taco bar, and the contestant suggested all you

1876
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:12,120
Speaker 1: can eat tape bar.

1877
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 2: Okay.

1878
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 1: The answer of the answer was magic wand and the

1879
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 1: contest suggested magic janned J, A and T, which no

1880
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:24,640
Speaker 1: is not a word. No.

1881
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 2: The guy was just from Philly. He was saying magic John.

1882
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: The answer was playing a practical joke, and the contestant

1883
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 1: guest playing a practical move, which is kind of a

1884
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:39,679
Speaker 1: great that's a good phrase. The answer was cell phone

1885
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 1: charger and the contestant guest cell phone charter like the

1886
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 1: Magna carta Hm. The answer was leather wallet and a

1887
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 1: contestant guest leather mullet, which spiritually makes a certain amount

1888
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 1: of sense.

1889
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 2: I feel like it's always been that way.

1890
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1891
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:59,679
Speaker 2: The answer was go to the front of the line,

1892
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 2: and a contestant guest go to the front of the cave.

1893
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 2: Was this Plato? The answer was custard filled chocolate eclaire,

1894
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:14,680
Speaker 2: the contestant guest mustard filled chocolate Eclaire. He must have

1895
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 2: been from Chicago as well. The answer was wish list

1896
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 2: and a contestant guest fish love not touching that one either.

1897
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:27,799
Speaker 2: Another time, the answer was a street car named Desire.

1898
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 2: All though was left to say on the board was

1899
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 2: the m named instead the contestant guest k which would

1900
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 2: have yielded the title a streetcar Naked Desire. Without missing

1901
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 2: a beat, Sayjack attempted to make the guy feel better

1902
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 2: by saying, I'd rather see your play. That's a good bit,

1903
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:45,759
Speaker 2: that's carson esque.

1904
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

1905
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 2: Kevin was later invited on Ellen, where it was revealed

1906
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 2: that neither he nor his wife had ever heard of

1907
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:55,719
Speaker 2: the play and movie, starring two of the most famous

1908
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:59,120
Speaker 2: actors of all time. Ellen gave him five thousand dollars

1909
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 2: in redemption money after playing a game on her show.

1910
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 1: And promising to read the damn play.

1911
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 2: How Nice? Why don't You take Us home?

1912
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,719
Speaker 1: H Vana White's favorite fail, which she has frequently cited

1913
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:13,559
Speaker 1: in interviews for decades, was when the answer was gone

1914
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 1: with the wind and the contestant guests done with one hand. Unfortunately,

1915
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:21,679
Speaker 1: capping off all these great fails, I regret to inform

1916
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 1: you that one of the great myths of Wheel of

1917
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 1: Fortune is not true. Oh you should take this.

1918
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 2: For sure, I mean, yeah, that's myth bust, Yeah, myth bust.

1919
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 2: For years, the story has made the rounds, complete with

1920
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 2: crudely edited photo and video footage of contestants trying to

1921
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 2: guess the phrase luck be in the air tonight just

1922
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 2: not a phrase? Nope, sure isn't. Instead, a contestant supposed

1923
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:48,719
Speaker 2: the offers me and the ass tonight. Snopes has revealed

1924
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 2: this to be a fake, which makes sense because again,

1925
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 2: luck be in the air tonight is not a phrase.

1926
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:58,640
Speaker 2: Although that hasn't stopped the puzzle makers of Wheel of

1927
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:02,639
Speaker 2: Fortune at their cruel game. Just last year, social media

1928
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:04,680
Speaker 2: was up in arms when a contestant lost out on

1929
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:08,799
Speaker 2: a new Volkswagen when she failed to guess obtaining my goals,

1930
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 2: which is not that's not even the correct use of

1931
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 2: that word. That's not even containing an idiot I doesn't exist.

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01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:18,840
Speaker 2: You can't obtain something that's like an intangible set of

1933
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 2: moving once. Yea, these people work for network. Well I

1934
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:27,719
Speaker 2: just said it. These people work for network tells God

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01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:31,519
Speaker 2: does what it says in the ten obtaining my goals

1936
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:34,639
Speaker 2: reads like they probably have. They have chat gpt doing

1937
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 2: this by now, that's what that is.

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01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:38,800
Speaker 1: But while we all of Fortune has given us some

1939
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:41,680
Speaker 1: truly rough moments that made us question Darwinism and our

1940
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 1: faith in humanity, there have been some sweet instances as well.

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01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:48,679
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a woman named Nera Facano, a former

1942
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 1: military vet who appeared on the show in twenty fifteen.

1943
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 1: She was completely dominating throughout her episode, racking up thirteen

1944
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 1: nine hundred and seventy dollars. Nero's competition had like four

1945
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 1: and another guy had nothing sat at zero. That's when

1946
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 1: the final spin occurred, and the contestants had one final

1947
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:10,719
Speaker 1: shot at solving a puzzle and adding to their totals,

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01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 1: and it was relatively clear at that point in the

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01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 1: game that it would be very difficult for anyone to

1950
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 1: beat Neurra unless they accurately guessed every letter, while Nearra

1951
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 1: failed at guessing any letters or solving the puzzle, so

1952
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 1: to kick a couple bucks to this guy who had nothing,

1953
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 1: she threw the game. Next time around, she guessed the

1954
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:31,920
Speaker 1: letter Z, one of the least used letters in the alphabet.

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01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 1: Pat was so stunned that he asked her to repeat herself,

1956
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 1: to which Nerros confidently replied Z as in Zulu. Nea

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01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 1: would go on to miss her turn by not replying

1958
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: next time around, guessing the letter Q after that, and

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01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 1: the letter X after that, and then she would miss

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01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 1: her last guess by just saying uh. And after the

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01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 1: final puzzle was solved, Sejak congratulated all the contestants for

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01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: taking home cash and said to Nera, you called some

1963
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 1: unusual letters in that last round, and Nero was quick

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01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 1: to respond with, oh, that's just what I saw. That

1965
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 1: answer didn't satisfy Pat, and he said, well, that's an

1966
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 1: unsatisfactory answer. But you're not under oath here, and there's

1967
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 1: nothing I can do. Nero was the big winner on

1968
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 1: the show that day. She was Solve and Clues with

1969
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:19,880
Speaker 1: like only two or three letters up on the board,

1970
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,800
Speaker 1: so it became clear to most viewers that she threw

1971
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:24,960
Speaker 1: the final round of the game. So they contested with

1972
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 1: no money, who also happened to be a fellow veteran

1973
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 1: could have a chance to take home some money as well.

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01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's nice. Yeah, that is nice, is it?

1975
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:38,600
Speaker 1: I wonder if they killed some people together. Where was

1976
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:44,679
Speaker 1: she stationed? That's about all I got on Wheel Fortune.

1977
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 1: The wheel's going to keep on turning. I think it's

1978
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:50,800
Speaker 1: back in the fall with Seacrest aired over eight thousand episodes,

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01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 1: the longest running syndicated game show currently on television, thirty

1980
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 1: million viewers each week. Can't be wrong, It sure.

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Speaker 2: Can't, Jordan, Except for all of the ways we said

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Speaker 2: in it was, I'm Alex.

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Speaker 1: Heigel, I'm Jordan Runtog. We'll catch you next time. Too

1984
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 1: Much Information was a production of iHeart Radio. The show's

1985
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 1: executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtogg.

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01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:21,639
Speaker 2: The show's Supervising producer is Michael Alder.

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01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:22,080
Speaker 1: June.

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Speaker 2: The show was researched, written and hosted by Jordan Runtog

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Speaker 2: and Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: With original music by Seth Applebaum and a Ghost Funk orchestra.

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Speaker 1: If you like what you heard, please subscribe and leave

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Speaker 1: us a review. For more podcasts on iHeartRadio, visit the

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