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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. This young mom, Tracy Lynn

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Speaker 1: Riker goes missing there in Venice. It's Venice, Florida. There

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Speaker 1: are a lot of Venices across our country, but this

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Speaker 1: is Venice, Florida. And adding to the complications, Tracy Lynn

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Speaker 1: Richer deeply religious. That's not the complication. The complication is that,

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Speaker 1: according to her husband, she had been going on the

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Speaker 1: she meet someone on the beach that took advantage of her?

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Speaker 1: What has happened to Tracy Richer? Also happening as Sara

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Speaker 1: Soota family searching for a missing woman. This is Tracy

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Speaker 1: Lynn Rieker of Venice. She disappeared five days ago, and

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Speaker 1: her family tells eight on your Side, they're desperate to

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Speaker 1: just need to get her back. That's her husband speaking.

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Speaker 1: He said his wife was having trouble sleeping before she disappeared.

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Speaker 1: He believes she maybe in a green Nissan Extera, also

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Speaker 1: missing from their home. You were just hearing our friends,

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Speaker 1: Stacy Shable at to FLA News Channel eight, What happened

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Speaker 1: to Tracy Lynn Riker? With me an all star panel

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Speaker 1: to break it down and put it back together again

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Speaker 1: with me. Kathleen Murphy. You know her well, veteran trial lawyer,

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Speaker 1: family laws specialty in North Carolina and you can find

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Speaker 1: her at in C North Carolina, inca Domestic law dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor beth Any Marshall joining us psychoanalyst where I'm Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.

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Speaker 1: Karen Smith joining me out of LA. She is a

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Speaker 1: forensics expert. She is a lecturer at University of Florida

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Speaker 1: as she is the host of a hit new podcast,

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Speaker 1: Shattered Souls. Doctor Tim Gallagher, renowned medical examine joining me

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Speaker 1: out of the state of Florida, and we often hear

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Speaker 1: about medical examiners for this county or that county. Doctor

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Speaker 1: and you can find him at pathcaremd dot com. But

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Speaker 1: first to Nicole Pardon, Crime online dot com investigative reporter,

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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about Tracy Lynn Richer? Nancy

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Speaker 1: Tracy Lynn Riker, forty four years old, a mother of four.

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Speaker 1: I've been looking through her pictures. I'm sure you have

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Speaker 1: She was very much into her faith, loved God and

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Speaker 1: loved sharing her faith with others. And certainly her family

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Speaker 1: and friends are suffering tragically due to her missing. You know,

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Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining me out in Beverly Hills,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not passing judgment at all, because I certainly

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Speaker 1: don't want anybody to pass judgment on me. Well, doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people would mock her way of life,

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Speaker 1: which I deeply resent. They would think it's crazy to

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Speaker 1: Tracy Lynn Riker suddenly goes missing. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: out to nicoleparton Crime online dot Com investigative reporter specifically

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Speaker 1: in between let us know when she's on her way back.

428
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: So this is completely opposite of who Tracy is. And

429
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: um so it's it's just alarming. And like I said,

430
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 1: just a couple of days prior, she just wasn't quite herself.

431
00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys who were talking about

432
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: the disappearance of Tracy Ellen Richer, who has made it

433
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: a habit to go speak about the gospel on Bradenton Beach,

434
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: not far from her home. We're hearing from the husband

435
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: only that there were sightings of the vehicle. It's a

436
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: Nisan exteror Bright Bright Green, halt Green. He says that

437
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: there are a couple of sightings of it. Police are

438
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: not confirming that. So what happened? She is seen at

439
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: three am in the morning in the bedroom. At six

440
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: am when dad wakes up, she's gone, leaving behind her

441
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: cell phone and her wallet. What happened to Tracy Richer? Now?

442
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: One thing I'm noticing. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer

443
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: and you can find her at NCA Domestic law dot com. Kathleen,

444
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: when a husband is involved in the wife's disappearance, you

445
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: don't always let me just say, typically you don't typically

446
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: see them speaking so freely to the news media. I mean,

447
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: think about it. Drew Peterson, remember him, he killed at

448
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: least two wives. He would wave at the media, he'd

449
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: occasionally say something, he would antagonize the media, but he

450
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't come right out and speak about the facts surrounding

451
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: the disappearance of fourth wife, Stacy Peterson. Scott Peterson gave

452
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: one disastrous interview where he referred to his wife in

453
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: the past tense. But he wasn't at the vigil. He

454
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: wasn't at the forefront speaking out. But this guy is

455
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: speaking out. He's not afraid of the bright lights of

456
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: a camera. What does that tell you, Kathleen. It's helping.

457
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a good criminal defense attorney, and I

458
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: can't help but think of when Chris Watts was standing

459
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: in front of the TV and it was all caught,

460
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: and after it was all caught on the TV, he

461
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: came out and spoke, and he's so nervous and so fidgety,

462
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: everybody spotted that in a New York minute. My clients

463
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: would never speak to the press if their spouse is

464
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: missing unless it was definitely well thought out and well presented,

465
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: and I felt comfortable that that person it was in

466
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: no way shapeless, woman involved or dodger. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst

467
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: joining me Beverly Heels, doctor Bethley Marshall dot com or

468
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: at kid mean he hasn't hired a criminal defense attorney

469
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: because he doesn't think he needs one, because he hasn't

470
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: done anything wrong. You know, we can read anything into

471
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: it we want, but my suspicious mind because as you

472
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: pointed out earlier, you know, whenever a woman goes missing

473
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: a wife, you start in concentric circles, starting closest to

474
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 1: hall times. The most toxic emotions arise the fact that

475
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: he said there were several sightings. I, as a psychoanalyst,

476
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: look for something called trite, rehearsed and stereotype speech, meaning

477
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: when somebody uses a word that's not typical an everyday language.

478
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: My ears prick up. If my husband went missing, I

479
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: would never say there have been sightings. That sounds like that.

480
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: I've been reading a crime novel. I would say, oh

481
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: my god, he was like shopping at you know, Lucky's,

482
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: and you know, our neighbors saw him checking out and

483
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: we didn't see him after that. I wouldn't use a

484
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: crime word because that seems so rehearsed. So you know

485
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: what our last heard that analysis when um no, not

486
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: in the last time. But a memorable time was when

487
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson called Lacy, his dead wife that he murdered

488
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: mom and said, first words, Lacy's missing, She's missing. I

489
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: would probably have said I can't find David. As a

490
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I told you doctor Bethany at the time.

491
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: David Oh, he travels a lot for work. When he

492
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: gets there, he either checks sisor called at the airport.

493
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: When he gets to his location, like the first meeting,

494
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: he'ld text, only gets to his hotel that night. He

495
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: usually texts. One night he didn't text. He texts when

496
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: he got to the airport and then that was it.

497
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: And I was on the phone when my coworker d

498
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: till four o'clock in the morning, trying to call hospitals

499
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah un till we found him. My

500
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: point is when I called d I said I can't

501
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: find David, and this is unlike him. I didn't say

502
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: he's missing. So that's a really good point that he

503
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: said sighting. But that's not really swaying me one way

504
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: or the other. I hear you. But yeah, well, I

505
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: would want to know were there any personal details with

506
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: anybody else? Like I had a mishap about where to

507
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: meet my husband two days ago and he was waiting

508
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: one place, I was waiting another, and I said, well,

509
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: you said this, and he said, well, I said, I

510
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: was going to look at my iPad at the news.

511
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: I was going to meet you at the restaurant. I said, no,

512
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: I think you said this. So many details went back

513
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: and forth between where we thought we were going to

514
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: meet and we ended up laughing about it. But there

515
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: I would wonder, does this husband, are there any details

516
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: other than difficulty was sleeping and eating? She was in heaven, Bethany.

517
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: He's been speaking to Fox thirteen out the yang yang,

518
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you what do you want to

519
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: have the details? Okay, well let's see if we can

520
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: get anymore. Take a listen to our cut nine. This

521
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: is Christian Richer speaking to Fox thirteen. Tracy. We need

522
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: you home we just want to know you're okay. But

523
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: more than anything, um, you know, tell us what your

524
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: plan is to support whatever, whatever you're trying to get done.

525
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: We just want to know you're okay. And let's you

526
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: know how much we love you. And there's hundreds and hundreds,

527
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: if not thousands of people that are concerned and looking

528
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: for you because the outreach to make sure you're okay

529
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: has been insane like that. In the world that we're

530
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: living in right now, there's a lot of negative news

531
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: and disagreements and all I've seen, you know, the last

532
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: week is pure love and caring and it's just amazing.

533
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean, she has a group of moms that she's

534
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: in a mom's NonStop twenty four seven, looking at every

535
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: lead that we get. Um, they've been amazing, as as

536
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: everybody that's outreach. Mpy. His voice sounds giddy. There's a

537
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: giddiness to his voice. I'm not picking up on a giddiness.

538
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: I pick it up. Is this doctor Bethany Marshall. Yes, okay,

539
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: I will agree. He doesn't sound I'll broken up the

540
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: way you would expect him to sound. But in his

541
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: mind he may be thinking she's missing, but she's coming home.

542
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: Although I don't know about any history of her missing before,

543
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call him giddy, but I don't seem like

544
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: from me, I'd be screaming at the top of my lungs. Un.

545
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to even go back into the story

546
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: for when John David went missing and the baby's rust

547
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: long story short. I was screaming at the top of

548
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: my lungs and running through this door like a crazy

549
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: person with Lucy under my arm like a football. But

550
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to judge him based on the way

551
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: I reacted. Guys, let's fast forward just one day. Take

552
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: a listen to Justin Shecher w FLA eight News. Venice

553
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: police say law enforcement dive teams located a green Nissan

554
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: Extera in this large pond behind me. The chief tails

555
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: in on your Side. They believe they found the missing

556
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: mom's body inside that vehicle. We have people that are

557
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: going all over the area to parks and beaches. That's

558
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: what Christian Riker told eight on your Side Tuesday about

559
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 1: the desperate search to find his missing wife and mother

560
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: of four, forty four year old Tracy Lynn Riiker. Investigators

561
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: aren't saying what led them to this large pond close

562
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: to Night's trail in Venice, but police say a joint

563
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: effort from the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office, Northport PD, FWC,

564
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: and Venice PD located a green nissanic stare with the

565
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: body believed to be Tracy Ryker. She had not been

566
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: seen in eleven days. Tracy Richer has been identified as

567
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: the body Nicole parton Crime online dot com investigative reporter.

568
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: Police are not saying why they searched a lake, Where

569
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: was the lake in relation to the home, and did

570
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: they find it through GPS tracking? Was what year was

571
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: the Extera? Would it have had some type of on

572
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: Star navigation in it? So the large pond where she

573
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: was found was actually located within the community where she lived.

574
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: So in this Tuscany aisles, a newly developed area with

575
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: some condominium some large homes, many ponds on the property there,

576
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: and the Extera her body inside located right there within

577
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: her community. Now police were tipped off by a lady

578
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: who was one of many who were in the area searching,

579
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: walking around looking for any signs of anything, and a

580
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: lady volunteer said she saw some orange peel, so someone

581
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: had been eating an orange and threw the peel down.

582
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: She had a dentist's appointment. She hurried off to the appointment.

583
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: She came back because she wanted to look around those

584
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: orange peels some more. And that's when she was walking

585
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: on the water's edge and noticed what she thought was

586
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: something in the water. She located and alerted authorities and

587
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: they begin to search, and that's when they found the vehicle.

588
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: I've got so many thoughts crashing together in my head. Guys,

589
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: I want to remind everybody the husband is in no

590
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: way a suspect, Doctor Gallagher. If this body has been

591
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: submerged in the water, what can we learn from it? Well,

592
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of decompositional changes. Initially,

593
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: the skin is going to turn green black. The body

594
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: is going to become bloated with gas. It is going

595
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: to be it's going to absorb a lot of the water.

596
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: A lot of the facial features are going to be indistinguishable,

597
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: you know. So we're going to need some other method

598
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: of identifying her. If she had any tattoos on her body,

599
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: that would be a nice secondary method of identification. No, no,

600
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: we know it's her, but can you get cause of death? Yes,

601
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: yes we can. We can get cause of death. We

602
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: can look for penetrating injuries. Was she assaulted? Are there

603
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: any broken bones on her body? Are there any contusions, abrasions, lacerations.

604
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: We can exact strang We can look at the neck.

605
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: We can dissect the neck and we could look for

606
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: damage in the neck, especially around the highoid bone and

607
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: around the musculature that supports the front of the neck.

608
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: We can look for damage there to signal that she

609
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: may have been strangled. We can look for water in

610
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: the lungs, water in the airways to see possible brown

611
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, now, I'm getting I have an idea

612
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: as if I need to tell you medical examiner doctor

613
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher, if there's not water in her lungs with

614
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: that indicate that she was dead before the vehicle went

615
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: in the water. It certainly can you know in fresh cases?

616
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: That is certainly, that is certainly what we do. We

617
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: actually take a piece of the lung at autopsy and

618
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: drop it in water and if it sinks, then there's

619
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: water in it. And if it floats, well, then we

620
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: know that she was breathing and water had not entered

621
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: into the lung. This is eleven days later. Well that

622
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: still work. That's a problem. That is a big problem

623
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: because then the body loses all of its anti water

624
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: properties and water flows into the body, including the lungs.

625
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: So yes, that can and to you, Kathleen Murphy, this

626
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: is being investigated as a quote traffic homicide. What is that?

627
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: I could not I read that out loud to one

628
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: of my partners today and I said, what is a

629
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: traffic homicide? And the only thing that that I can

630
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: surmise is that the police are thinking that she may

631
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: have been under the influence of some type of dagger medication,

632
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: but that wouldn't be a homicide and drove. Now, well,

633
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: you're right, that absolutely is not correct, because you're right.

634
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: I saw that word and I didn't know what it was.

635
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: I know what homicide is, I just didn't know what

636
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: a traffic comicide is. Maybe she was bumped in. I'm

637
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: just wondering why they're calling it a traffic homicide. If

638
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: it was a suicide, that's one thing. If there was

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Speaker 1: an accident and she was asleep in the car aled

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Speaker 1: into the water, which is really hard for me to imagine,

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Speaker 1: that's another thing. They have something they are coming in

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Speaker 1: a traffic comicide, Nicole Aparton, do you know what that means?

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Speaker 1: I don't, but I can tell you that the vehicle

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Speaker 1: was located in an undeveloped area behind the pond. So

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Speaker 1: this remember this is a new community, so they're still

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Speaker 1: developing a lot of the property. And the point of

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Speaker 1: entry to the pond where her vehicle went in was

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Speaker 1: in an undeveloped area, so kind of a way from

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Speaker 1: the houses and kind of a way from a paved

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Speaker 1: road where someone would have just crashed into the pond.

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Speaker 1: Very often it means when a definitis, unlawful or negligent

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Speaker 1: operation of a vehicle results in the death of another person. Again,

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Speaker 1: there are no suspects that we know of. There are

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Speaker 1: no POI's persons of interest. We wait as the case unfolds.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off goodfe