1 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Body Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. I don't know in 2 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: recent memory if there's been a case that has captivated 3 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: America like the Gabby Petito case. This young beautiful woman 4 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: just kind of vanishes initially off of the face of 5 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: the planet. You had no idea where she is. The family, 6 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: they didn't even know she was gone for almost ten days. 7 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: They were frantically trying to get in contact with her, 8 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: and she had left on this odyssey with her boyfriend, 9 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: traveling across the nation on the trip of a lifetime. Unfortunately, 10 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: in Gabby's case, this turned out to be, I don't know, 11 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: a nightmare. This is body bags. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan. 12 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: The Gabby Petito case. When she is finally found, when 13 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: the questions are finally answered as to where she is, 14 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: mom and dad and her stepfather are told that she's 15 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: been found deceased in the rugged terrain the Grand Titan Mountains. 16 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if any of us can actually fathom 17 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: the horror that's involved in that. Joining me is Jackie Howard, 18 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: executive producer of Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Jackie, what 19 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: do we know about the case so far? Joe, Gabby Petito, 20 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: two years old, went missing August. At least that's when 21 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: we believe she went missing. That was the last time 22 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: she was seen. Her parents reported her missing on September eleven. 23 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,559 Speaker 1: During that time, we know that Brian Laundry was home 24 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: in Florida at his parents house, but would not answer 25 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: the family's request for where was Gabby. Gabby's body was 26 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: found September nineteen in the Grand Titon's. In the meantime, 27 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry has gone missing. There is a thirty thousand 28 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: dollar reward out for his whereabouts. The search for Brian 29 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: Laundry has been going on now. They have searched the 30 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: Carlton Reserve, which is more than underwater, looking for him. 31 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: Now we have information that he could be hiding in 32 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: Fort de Soto, also with camping sites and trails and 33 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: keys that you could travel to by boat. The FBI 34 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: has now taken over the search again. They are looking 35 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: for Brian Laundry. In the meantime, we go back to 36 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: the body being found. You know, Jackie, a lot of 37 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: times has been spent talking about Brian Laundry over these 38 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: past few days, and I gotta tell you it's as 39 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: badly as I want him found. You know, something happens 40 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: in the media lots of times you loos site of 41 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: the victim. And in this case, I'm gonna say her name. 42 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: Her name is Gabby Petito. She's been found, she's been found, 43 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: and she's a homicide victim. For me, we have to 44 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: keep her in the forefront moving forward because without her. 45 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: Without her, there's not gonna be a case to prosecute 46 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: him with and the evidence, the clues that Abby and 47 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: her body have left behind, and I think that that's 48 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: critical for us to examine. As you said that, Joe, 49 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: that is critical for us to examine. The coroner has 50 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,839 Speaker 1: released his report, a preliminary report. We're still wedding on toxicology. 51 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: But the preliminary report did say and classify Gabby's death 52 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: as a homicide. But why have they released just the 53 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: manner of death and no cause as yet? What could 54 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: they still be looking for? You know, in in Gabby's case, 55 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: they have released a manner, as you mentioned, And I 56 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, one of the most glaring things here 57 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: is the fact that they released so quick. You know, 58 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: they did her autopsy on a Tuesday morning, and by 59 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: that afternoon they held a press conference and did it well. 60 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: They did a press release and stated that that they 61 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: had in fact a manner of death, but they weren't 62 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: releasing the cause. And what's so striking about the fact 63 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: that they released this manner so quickly gives me an indication. 64 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: But they saw something glaring in that autopsy suite, and 65 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: folks might not understand what it's like to be present 66 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: at an autopsy. When you reach this level of focus, 67 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, all bets are off at that point in time. 68 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: The authorities are going to call in every possible expert 69 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: that they have and just kind of let me paint 70 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: a picture for you. Within this autopsy suite, obviously, we're 71 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: gonna have a forensic pathologist that's a board certified forensic pathologist. 72 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: It's going to be due and is actually in charge 73 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: of the examination of Gabby's remains. But I hate to 74 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: say this, but by virtue of the fact that Gabby's 75 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: remains are probably partially skeletonized, you're going to have a 76 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: forensic anthropologist. And for those that don't know, if you 77 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: know the name the Body Farm of the University of Tennessee, 78 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing that they trained for. 79 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: This is the reality of what they do, all of 80 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: that training, all those things you hear about. They they 81 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: examined skeletal remains, and their biggest claim to fame is 82 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: trying to pin down not just what brought about a death, 83 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: but how long an individual has been dead. And then 84 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: more than likely they they also had a forensic odentologists 85 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: there because you know, at the time there was a 86 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: question about I D and they wanted to specifically do that, 87 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: so they're gonna do a dental examination and moreover, and 88 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: this goes to how big this case is. The FBI 89 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: was present the present at the scene where Gabby was found, 90 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: but in addition to that, they were probably present at 91 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: the autopsy. I've actually worked cases during my career where 92 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: we had members of the FBI evidence team that were 93 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: present in the more they're there to actually collect any 94 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: kind of trace evidence. In particular, let's talk about that 95 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: just a little bit more, because we do know that 96 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: Gabby's body was found in the rugged terrain of the 97 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: Grand Tetons. Her body had been there for several days. 98 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: So what are we looking at. How difficult did that 99 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: make it to to come up with the cause of 100 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: death or a manner of death? And and where does 101 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: it go from here? You know that that's the key, 102 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: is where do we go from here? Because right now 103 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: we're still pending the actual cause of death. Remember there's 104 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: five manners of death they could choose from anything. You know, 105 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: Obviously in her case, they've ruled it as a homicide. 106 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: But we've got suicide and natural and undetermined accidental. But 107 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: they chose homicide. And when they walked out of that 108 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: door that day of that morgue and they affirmatively stated, 109 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: we got a homicide here. And I can tell you 110 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: the term that was floating around inside of that that 111 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: autopsy suite was the term evidence of homicidal violence. And 112 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: let that kind of sink in. Now they're not putting 113 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: enough of a fine point on it yet. And when 114 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: we get to that point that they will have accumulated 115 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: all of the evidence that they needed to affirmatively say 116 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: that this is the actual causal effect that brought about 117 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: her death. Now that that could be any number of things. 118 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: You know, we're you know, we're talking about two individ 119 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: jewels that had been out her and laundry had been 120 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: out camping. Now I don't I don't know if either 121 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: one of these folks possessed firearm, But I do know 122 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: what they had. They had camping tools. You know, we 123 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: begin to think about, you know, what do you need? 124 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: You know, we saw that little tent that they were 125 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: living in in addition to the van. They had this 126 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: little tent that they would set up. But what do 127 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: you need to camp with? Well, you need probably a 128 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: hammer or mallet to drive tent steaks. Most campers carry 129 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: a saw with them. You know, some people cutting down brush. Um, 130 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: I think that more than likely you need to shovel, 131 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: all right, And certainly everybody that goes camping has some 132 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: type of sharp instrument, don't they. And you know, when 133 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: you look at the scene where her body is found, 134 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: one of the things that really jumped out to me 135 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: Jackie was the fact that she's adjacent to kind of 136 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: a creek bed and there are these beautiful, very smooth 137 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: round stones out there, and they're in all manner of shapes. Well, 138 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: guess what those stones could be used for? They could 139 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: be used for this offic purpose of bludgeoning. And bludgeoning 140 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: is actually where there is an impact related injury, Like 141 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: you pick up a stone and you actually drive it 142 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: into the skull and it creates like a depressed skull 143 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: fraction you can bludge and the rest of the body 144 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: as well. It's blunt force trauma at the end of 145 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: the day. So they're trying to weed through all of 146 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: these things and this is disrupted as a result of decomposition. 147 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: This is what we call in forensics decompositional artifact. That 148 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: that's those little things. You hear that term artifact and 149 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: you think about ancient Egypt and you know what, you 150 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: know what archaeologists do, but artifact for us in forensics 151 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: are those little things that are left behind. And one 152 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: of the things I'm very happy about is that the 153 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: FBI Response Team, Evidence Response Team, we're actually there. They 154 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: were there at the scene. And not only were they 155 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: at the scene, my money is on the fact that 156 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: they were present at the autop see. And guess what 157 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: they're looking for. They're looking for all these little artifacts, 158 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: anything that might be a tie back to her actual 159 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: cause of death, not the manner, but the actual cause 160 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: of death. It could be anything, uh, from a broken 161 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: knife blade, it could be an impression that's left behind. 162 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: If you will think about, for instance, like a hammer, 163 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: if you look at that leading edge of a hammer, 164 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of shaped like a coin, almost like 165 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: a quarter in size. Well, that leaves behind a very 166 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: distinctive mark on the body. When the body is struck, 167 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: you've got hemorrhage, and then you've got an underlying fracture. 168 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: And do you know that actually many times with the fracture, 169 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: the fracture takes on the outline of a coin. Isn't 170 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: that amazing? And if the if the leading surface of 171 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: the hammer has kind of a dimpled texture to it, 172 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: those dimples, the negative, if you will, impression of that 173 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: surface will be left behind on the skin. But the 174 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: trick is here is the fact that we know that 175 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: because she had been down so long, she's decomposing, and 176 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: that that kind of creates a problem when you're moving 177 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: forward and you're trying to analyze this evidence. That means 178 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: that it's obscured, so you have to take more time. 179 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: It's not it's not just gonna be very very obvious. 180 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: Like you know someone, uh, you hear a gunshot, you 181 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: run upstairs, you find somebody has taken their life with 182 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: a gun. All right, guns laying there, You've got a 183 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: bullet hole and you can kind of move forward from 184 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: there very quickly that that's not the case here with Gabby. 185 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: Gabby is in an isolated area, Jackie. She's in an 186 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: area that I would imagine the line share of people 187 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: in the United States have not even come close to visiting. 188 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: I know I have, and I'd love to. I've always 189 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: want to go to t Toons, but it is iceolate. 190 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: There's reasons why people go to these locations to get away, 191 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: to get away so that you don't have seal service, 192 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: so that you're not around a computer, to really drink 193 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: in nature. And it's absolutely beautiful, but it is deadly. 194 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: And another thing that they're contending with up there is 195 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: what happened as she laid there. Well, she's subjected to 196 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: weather keat the drop of temperature. That's going to have 197 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: an impact on how her body reacts. Also, and people, 198 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: many people don't want to talk about this, but this 199 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: is the reality what you're faced with as a medical 200 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: legal death investigator. It's animal activity, anything that happens post mortem, 201 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, and you know people automatically the default position 202 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: for most people, and I've heard this in the news 203 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: over and over again. You know, people say, oh, well, yeah, 204 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: you got Cody's and you've got wolves, and you got 205 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: bear and all these sorts of things. And that's not 206 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: what I'm worried about. Some of the most seemingly innocuous 207 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: animals on the face of the planet, things like raccoons. Awesome, 208 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: those types of animals. Those animals are scavengers. And yeah, 209 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: they're not that. You know, people have this idea that 210 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: there that they're vegetarian I guess, or herbivores. They're not. 211 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: They're omnivores. They will actually feast on bodies. And then 212 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: you have insect activity. So everything that comes in contact 213 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: with a body, any kind of animal like this, is 214 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: going to take something away. But the animals going to 215 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: leave something. It's going to leave it's mark upon the body, 216 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: and it can kind of give you an idea. And 217 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: most of these animals are not gonna be present at 218 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: the same time, these scavengers. And so when we look 219 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: at this, this is one of the things that the 220 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: forensic pathologists and all of the other evidence people that 221 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: are collecting evidence have to take into consideration. And you know, 222 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: the investigation of her death is not just simply end 223 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: with removing her from the scene, taking her to the 224 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: autopsy room and and examining her body there. Once you 225 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: get her body removed from the scene, that area and 226 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: you know, I want to make this perfectly clear, the 227 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: area that was underlying her body. That's significant. You have 228 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: no idea when you're looking at a body at a scene, 229 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: what might be hidden beneath that lower surface, that underlying 230 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: surface that supported the body all that time. There could 231 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: be it could be an evidence rich environment. Again, if 232 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: you're talking about gunshot ones, for instance, you could have 233 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: a projectile down there. You can. I've actually had cases 234 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: where perpetrators have killed someone and have actually taken the 235 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: weapon and obscured it beneath the body. I remember quite distinctly. 236 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: I had a guy that stabbed a fellow to death 237 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: and then scratched the ground out below the body and 238 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: buried the knife beneath the body. And we're looking everywhere 239 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: for this knife. We're thinking that the perpetrator has moved on. 240 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: And then suddenly, after we had the body removed, one 241 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: other investigator looked down and saw just the tip of 242 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: the handle hanging ou You never know what's not what's 243 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: gonna be out of sight. It's not necessarily those things 244 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: that are in playing say so, once they removed body. 245 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: My My suspicion is they probably took a metal detector 246 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: and waved it over that area where body was found. 247 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: Because you get one shot at you want to collect everything. 248 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of where they stand right now. 249 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: The only other thing regarding her body that people need 250 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: to understand because when you do a post mortem examination 251 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: that is an autopsy, it's not just physically looking at 252 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: the body and doing a dissection or in the case 253 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: of humans, or pro section. You're you're also having to 254 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: go down to a molecular level. You have to think about, well, 255 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: what's contained in their system, you know, And that's why 256 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: we we draw blood. That's why we draw urine. That's 257 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: uh while we draw vitreous from the eyes. Many people 258 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: do know that we draw fluid out of the eyes. 259 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: We take all of these samples and we send them 260 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: to the lab and these things will be run for 261 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: toxicological examination. And what you're looking for is any kind 262 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: of substance that's in the system. Okay, it might be 263 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: a prescription drug that people might be on. It could 264 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: be any illicit drug, an illicit substance, any any number 265 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: of things that are illegal to possess uh, it could 266 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: be poisons. Those are some of the things that that 267 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: toxicologists look for. So it's a real broad spectrum. And 268 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: this is you know, I like to say, forensic science 269 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: is not microwave science. It takes time, and many people 270 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: don't understand that. It's not television. It's not wrapped up 271 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: in an instant. I know that's kind of cliche, but 272 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: that's that's the reality of it. It takes time. So, Joe, 273 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: the one thing that you're talking about is the evidence 274 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: that is there. The evidence can be found, the evidence 275 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: that might be under the body, the evidence that you 276 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: can detect, but being out in the elements as she was. 277 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: One thing that you have to consider is the evidence 278 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: that's not there, the evidence that has been washed away, 279 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: corroded by the weather, corrected by the temperature, destroyed by 280 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: the animals. How do investigators proceed from here? What can 281 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: you do about it? You know, one of the biggest 282 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: things that it was kind of left out in that list, 283 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: and it was a great list. You know, one of 284 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: the biggest enemies of an investigator relative to a death 285 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: scene outdoors something very common. It's something very benumbed. What's 286 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: that Let me guess the wind. The wind is a 287 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: big one, but even bigger than that rain rain, rain, rain, 288 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: because rain washes away, it cleanses things. It's it's it's nature. 289 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: It's what nature does. You know, you can go outside, 290 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, after it's rained many times in the summertime, 291 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: it's got that clean some l to it. Well, yeah, 292 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: but there's also a downside of that. If you're a 293 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: forensic investigator, it means that things have been cleansed to 294 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: a certain degree, particularly outside and all of this organic material. 295 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: And you know, let's not forget that all of the 296 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: images that we've kind of seen have been adjacent to, uh, 297 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: this kind of riverbed looking area. Well, if they had 298 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: some kind of torrential downpour, which can come and go, 299 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: ground can dry out pretty quickly. But if it became torrential, 300 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: you figured that water is flowing over the rocks. If 301 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: she is suspended between a log and some of these rocks, 302 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: the water could actually can you imagine what effect that 303 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: if you have whitewater that suddenly appeared, it could actually 304 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: bay the body and bathe the way anything that might 305 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: be contained therein So at the end of the day, 306 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: you can't sit back and say, oh, what is me? 307 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: You know boo who? I don't have the evidence. No, 308 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: you have to drive on with what you have and 309 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: take what nature leaves for you to examine. That's why 310 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: it's so critical to be as thorough as you possibly can. 311 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: And also, you know, as an investigator, it's incumbent upon you. 312 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: As crazy as it sounds to go back and look 313 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: at weather reports. I've done this any number of times, 314 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: things like damn releases, uh downpours, anything that's associated with 315 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: with whether. Also, you know, Jackie, you mentioned when when 316 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: has a huge impact when you think about things like 317 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: touch DNA. It's so fragile. Think about when you think 318 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: about touch DNA, you know, we think about losing skin 319 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: cells and that's that's essentially what it comes down to. 320 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: Think about how delicate baby powder is TALC. If you 321 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: just take a little bit of talk, put it in 322 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 1: your hand and gently blow on it, that gives you 323 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: an idea. It will put you in the ballpark with 324 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: touch DNA. But touch DNA is even more fragile than that. 325 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: It can be gone in an instant. If the perpetrator 326 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: put their hands on her like around her neck, and 327 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: you had a strong wind, that came by, Yeah, it 328 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: could compromise that DNA of it's it's present there. You 329 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: were talking about being thorough, and you did a great 330 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: job in describing that to us. So then we have 331 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: to apply that to the van that Gabby and Brian Laundry, 332 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: Gabby Petito and Brian Laundry were living in. That van 333 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: is going to tell us, in my mind, and I'm 334 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: not a death investigator so much, it's gonna tell us 335 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: about what went on before Gabby died. Did she die 336 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: in the van, did she die outside the van. It's 337 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: gonna tell us whether she had been hurt before. It's 338 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: gonna tell us what was there when Brian if he 339 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: was in that and alone, which we do believe he was, 340 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: because the van ended back up in Florida in his 341 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: parents driveway, so obviously at some point he was in 342 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: that van alone. Pick it up from there? Joke, what 343 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: do we do where we go? And what did the 344 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: authorities do when they took that van away and processed everybody? 345 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: In the sound of my voice, I want you to 346 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: look at a picture of the van that Gabby owned, 347 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: not Brian Mandre, that Gabby owned. Look at that van. 348 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: One of the things that absolutely stands out to me 349 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: about that van. Other than the fact that it was 350 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 1: outfitted to go on a journey. You know, it had 351 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: the external ladder, and I guess the luggage racks and 352 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: all that stuff. One of the things that stands out 353 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: to me relative to that van is the fact that 354 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: that van, other than the windshield and the driver's window 355 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: and the passengers window, no windows. There were no windows whatsoever. 356 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: So anything that you wanted to do within that van 357 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: could be done in total, total concealment. Think about that 358 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: just for a second. If you wanted to make yourself 359 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: a ham sandwich in there, you could do it. No 360 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: one would see you. You know. If you wanted to 361 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: play dominoes, no one won't see you. If you want 362 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: to commit murder, no one would see you. It would 363 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: be done in obscure. No one would be able to 364 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: witness any kind of violence that was going in there. 365 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: Now you might hear, if you're close enough, you might 366 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: hear screams. You might even see the van rock back 367 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: and forth. But my estimation is is that whatever horror 368 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: befell Gabby more than likely took place within the walls 369 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: of that fan. Within those walls that she and Brian 370 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: Laundry had actually ripped out, reconfigured and put together for 371 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: this trip that they were planning on doing. And that's 372 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: that's the heartbreaking part of this. This this van was 373 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: emblematic of everything that they wanted to do, everything she 374 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: wanted to do, this grand adventure. But from an evidentiary standpoint, 375 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: this thing is what we call a target rich environment. 376 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: Besides the Potito Van Joe, federal authorities also took Brian 377 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: laundry silver Mustang in for processing. It had been left 378 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: at the Carlton Reserve. The mother and father had gone 379 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: to the reserve and brought it back home to their 380 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: family house and brought it back home when Brian Laundry disappeared. 381 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: So what were the authorities looking for anything different in 382 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: the car? And since it was not out there where 383 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: Gabby Petito died, so what were they looking for here? 384 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: Holy smokes that that mustang got returned really quick. You 385 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: can you can actually see it to see it in videography. 386 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: The most recent videography of the Laundry's home is sitting 387 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: right there in the driveway. But what's not there in 388 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: that driveway is that van that was taken on a 389 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: cross country trip, you know, and it had been completely 390 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: tricked out. I mean it contained all of these appointments 391 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: inside of it, which is fantastic. But and from a 392 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: forensic standpoint, every item, and we've seen interior shots the van, 393 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: every item, every surface within that van's interior has potential 394 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: to yield a harvest of forensic evidence. And I'm talking 395 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: everything from at a molecular level with d n A two, 396 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: a visible level with things like you know, bloodstaining, and secondly, 397 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: anything that's out of sorts like dents, uh, things being broken, 398 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: things that look like that might indicate that there was 399 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: a struggle within that van. That's all critical now as 400 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: you begin to peel away the interior, and I can 401 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: tell you that's what the authorities are doing. They're taking 402 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: this thing up heart, peace by peace, by peace, and 403 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: they are examining all of the underside, the backside, every 404 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: item that's in there. I'm looking at a little desk 405 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: that they actually created that's on one of the doors, 406 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: the side doors of this thing. They would actually take 407 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 1: that little portable desk off and look at it and 408 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: photograph it and be very careful with it. They will 409 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: have stripped the entire inside of that vehicle. Out enumerated 410 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: each thing that they took out, because each thing is 411 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: potential evidence, and they're gonna get down into the nooks 412 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: and the crannies of this van, all the little holes 413 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: where they drop screws into to support areas, all the 414 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: little crevices that might have overlaw overlying, you know, floor 415 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: work that's been done, that stuff is coming up. They're 416 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: gonna get down into those knoks and crevices and look 417 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: for anything like blood. The disturbing part to all of 418 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: this is that Laundry had possession of this van for days, 419 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: for absolute day ease. And you know, just this quick 420 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: turnaround trip that he made from Wyoming back to Northport. 421 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: There's any number of places he has stopped in that 422 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: over that thousand plus mile trip to pull over to 423 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: a car wash, for instance, you know the ones with 424 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: the high pressure wands, dropped a bunch of quarters in there, 425 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: and he begins spraying the entire interior out. Maybe he 426 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: thought that it was a great idea to go somewhere 427 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: and buy some bleach and dump it all over the place. 428 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: There's gonna be evidence of that, because I can tell 429 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: you what they're gonna be doing. They're still gonna be 430 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: looking for trace evidence, but they're also gonna be doing 431 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: things like luminalal or blue star, trying to get any 432 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: kind of left behind blood to luminous. And even if 433 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: he's made an attempt to clean that area up, the 434 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: cool thing about it, you can eradicate that very easily. 435 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: And I don't you know, everybody talks about what an 436 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: outdoorsman he is. You know, he's hyked up and down 437 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: the Appalachian Trail, he lives on the land. You know 438 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: what he ain't. He's not crime scene investigator, he's not 439 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: a forensics expert. He's not going to fool any of us, 440 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: I mean any of us in forensics because he couldn't 441 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: get the band clean enough. And you know, whatever he 442 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: brought home with him is also critical because if he 443 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: emptied out that band, brought it into the house, any 444 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: of her possessions, any of their quote unquote their possessions, 445 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: things that they had, uh jointly, anything that went into 446 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: that house that the FBI may have found. There may 447 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: be evidence on there of a life lived by Gabby. 448 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: That is bloodstain, any kind of body fluid, tufts of hair, 449 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: maybe her touch DNA. Nothing is off the table. One's kids, Joe. 450 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: As the investigation continues, the one thing that we're still 451 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: waiting on is the toxicol and G and the cause 452 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: of death. What are they looking for in that toxicology. Well, 453 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: they're they're gonna look for all manner of agents that 454 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: could be contained in there, and it's it's gonna be 455 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: anything from prescription medication. There's been a lot of talk, 456 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: some of it non verified, but you know, anything to 457 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: maintenance your life with, like uh, you know, anti depressent drugs, 458 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: anything like anti anxiety medication. Um, they're also going to 459 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: look for, let's say, signs of alcohol. What we do 460 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: a blood alcohol level of b A as we refer 461 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: to it, or blood ethanol level. They're gonna check for that. Additionally, Uh, 462 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: they'll look for things as innocuous as aspirin. I don't 463 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: I don't know folks at home understand that. But you 464 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: look for what are called solicitates and those are actually 465 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: it's evidence that you're taking aspirin. They'll even probably find 466 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: a seat a menafin perhaps if she was taking any 467 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: other kind of anti inflammatory drug. But they're gonna look 468 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: for poisons as well. Any anything that could have harmed her. 469 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: And one other thing that's really critical here. They're also, 470 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: in addition to toxicology, they're gonna do what's called histology. 471 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: And histology is at autopsy, we take little slivers of tissue, 472 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 1: we fix them, put them on a slide, and you 473 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: look at the body literally in a microscopic setting. You 474 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: look at how that tissue looks, how it appears, and 475 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: anything that has adversely affect that tissue or change that 476 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: tissue is going to be noted, and there'll be an 477 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: entire histological report as well, and everything. Nothing is off 478 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: the table here, all right, Because one of the things 479 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: that you have to consider is what is the motivation 480 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: for a grown man to be in an open street 481 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: in public slapping a ninety five pound young lady. Well, 482 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: I mean, they're in a intimate relationship together. And one 483 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: of the things as an investigator I'm gonna want to 484 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: ask is wish you're pregnant? I want to know that. 485 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: And that's something that will be examined at autopsy. Had 486 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: she been sexually assaulted anyway, that will have been examined 487 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: at autopsy. Rape kit will have been performed, so those 488 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: test results are Pinning as well, and we'll we'll see, 489 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: we'll see what they reveal. Until next time. This is 490 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: Body Backs. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan.