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Speaker 1: with a one nineteen one oh seven victory over a O.
Speaker 2: KC. They got production from where they needed it.
Speaker 1: Nicola Jokic was sensation to night twenty nine points, fourteen rebounds,
Speaker 1: eight assists. He got twenty five points from Jamal Murray,
Speaker 1: twenty three points from Christian Braun. But it was Strawford
Speaker 1: off the bench that gave that was four to fourth
Speaker 1: from the free throw line, in three or four from
Speaker 1: the three point line, four of eight from the field.
Speaker 1: They gave him fifteen big points off the bench and
Speaker 1: that was the difference as they win by twelve one
Speaker 1: nineteen to one oh seven. Oh Joe, we've got a
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Speaker 1: The Denver Nuggets do what I thought they would.
Speaker 2: Do going home.
Speaker 1: They hole serve and they forced a game seven one
Speaker 1: nineteen to one oh seven.
Speaker 2: You got great contributions.
Speaker 1: You got five guys in double figures, led by Nicola
Speaker 1: Yokis twenty nine, fourteen and eight. Jamar Murray had twenty
Speaker 1: five eight assists. Kristin Brown had twenty three points eleven
Speaker 1: big rebounds. He had five assists. Michael Porter Jr. He
Speaker 1: came to the party of the night. He didn't take
Speaker 1: many shots, but he made the shots that he took.
Speaker 1: He made those counts. He had ten points, but it
Speaker 1: was Strawthord off the bench that gave him fifteen big points.
Speaker 1: He was three or four from the three point line
Speaker 1: and four to eight from the free throw Excuse me
Speaker 1: from the field watching this game, matrix, What did you
Speaker 1: like about what you saw from the Nuggets? Because I
Speaker 1: thought they took control early in the first quarter, and
Speaker 1: then they kind of let it slip away in the
Speaker 1: second quarter.
Speaker 2: They regained it in the third.
Speaker 1: Quarter, and then when cruised home in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: it was tough nipping tuck, but they broke the game open.
Speaker 1: What did you like about what you saw from the
Speaker 1: Nuggets tonight? Championship pedigree? You got two of the best
Speaker 1: closers in the game right now with a Joker and Murray. Man.
Speaker 2: Murray stepped up big. You know, he came up.
Speaker 1: They say he was sick before the game, but man,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's uh, he's special.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I think he don't get enough credit as he deserved. Man,
Speaker 1: I think he you gonna ask two minutes, Tom, that's
Speaker 1: a tough team to beat man.
Speaker 2: You know what I like.
Speaker 1: I like the fact that they're really aggressive. They shot
Speaker 1: thirty two free throws tonight, so that tells me they're
Speaker 1: not They weren't settling. They were trying to put pressure
Speaker 1: on the OKC defense. You know, this is a very
Speaker 1: good defensive team. They got guys that can offend. They
Speaker 1: switch everything. They got two bigs that can protect the paint.
Speaker 1: You got Jalen Williams, who's a great defender, Loudor, you
Speaker 1: have a Caruso, Isaiah, Joe Wiggins, Wallace. You got guys.
Speaker 1: They got about sixty seven guys that can defend the wing.
Speaker 1: And they switch everything because they don't want to try
Speaker 1: to they don't want to help and leave guys wide open.
Speaker 1: And I thought the Nuggets did a great job tonight
Speaker 1: matrix of putting the ball on the floor, trying to
Speaker 1: get the.
Speaker 2: Ball to the rims and they drew a lot of five.
Speaker 1: They shot thirty two free throw a tempts they was
Speaker 1: twenty seven or thirty two and the thunder was only
Speaker 1: ten or sixteen, and Shay Gil just shot eleven of
Speaker 1: the sixteen free throws.
Speaker 2: I thought Jaylen Williams, he was off the night.
Speaker 1: He was three or sixteen from the floor, oh four
Speaker 1: from three, and he didn't get to the free throw
Speaker 1: line at all. Hartenstein, He doesn't really normally get to
Speaker 1: the free throw line. Lou Dort didn't get to the
Speaker 1: free throw line. But when you only got three guys
Speaker 1: and they take all your free all sixteen, that tells
Speaker 1: me you're not nearly aggressive enough, and maybe you settle
Speaker 1: a little bit more for threes than you you should have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: theyin'ted somebody else stept up to night. You know, I
Speaker 1: think when you look at this game, you know, they
Speaker 1: are a young team. You know, I think they're they're
Speaker 1: they're growing, they're getting better as they keep playing. By man,
Speaker 1: you know, I think the excuse me of Denver just
Speaker 1: just prevailed and they just man, they played smart and
Speaker 1: they took care of the ball, and they needed too.
Speaker 2: They had so many mistakes out their young mistakes. You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's some mentality of these young teams, tams that
Speaker 1: that they I loved. Okay, see, they played hard, you know,
Speaker 1: they played break with their hands. But I think sometimes
Speaker 1: they just seem like they're going meuthargically, going through the
Speaker 1: motions at times, and they just they gelped that they
Speaker 1: get off there. They pumped the brakes a little bit
Speaker 1: when they need to be putting their foot foot on
Speaker 1: the pedals and taking it to another level. They've shown
Speaker 1: them signs they can do it. They're a resilient team.
Speaker 1: But when the mistakes catching up with them, they turned
Speaker 1: the ball all a little too much. Yeah, and they're
Speaker 1: not a three point shooting team. Oh till they were
Speaker 1: eleven or forty. Tonight they were twenty seven and a
Speaker 1: half percent. Julian Strawford, he hit more threes than any
Speaker 1: player on ok SE uh and so we knew that.
Speaker 1: Look the big guns they got a fire tonight, Joker
Speaker 1: and and and Murray they did that.
Speaker 2: Now where else can we get some production?
Speaker 1: Because they needed those points because in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: he had some big threes, he got a couple of rebounding,
Speaker 1: put some footbacks. Because you look at it, uh Okac's
Speaker 1: bench is better is wall. It's better than the Nuggets bench.
Speaker 1: And so they needed some production off that bench, and
Speaker 1: Julius Strauther gave that to them. Fifteen points, a career
Speaker 1: playoff high three or four from the three point line.
Speaker 1: I thought Christian Brown was Family Fabulous Tonight, twenty three points,
Speaker 1: Ojo eleven of rebounds, five or Sais three steals, He
Speaker 1: was three or six from the three point line.
Speaker 2: He had more points than Jay Dubb.
Speaker 1: He had more rebounds than Hartenstein, more steals than Carusso's,
Speaker 1: and more may threes than Shape. He's the youngest player
Speaker 1: in franchise history with a twenty ten five and three
Speaker 1: game in playoff. In a playoff game, Jamal Murray has
Speaker 1: twenty five points in playoff games.
Speaker 2: I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray has more twenty five point playoff games than
Speaker 1: Devin Booker, Jaylen Brunson, Joel Embiid, Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady,
Speaker 1: Bill Russell, Deack Rose, Penny Hardway, Johnson Phillips, and Bence Carter.
Speaker 1: We don't look at we don't look at Jamal like
Speaker 1: that because he's never been on the All the NBA team,
Speaker 1: he's never been an All Star. But as metrics, as
Speaker 1: you said, he can ball and the moment, he's a
Speaker 1: big He's like James Worthy. He's a big game player.
Speaker 1: The bigger the game, the better he played. He knew
Speaker 1: his backup with his back was against the wall. If
Speaker 1: I don't play well. The series is over in six games.
Speaker 1: Let's get it back to OKC, and let's see who
Speaker 1: can have the pressure more better we or them. I
Speaker 1: love the way they played tonight. I love the championship medal.
Speaker 1: As Matrix mentioned, the Nuggets showed. What did you like
Speaker 1: about what you saw from the Nuggets?
Speaker 2: So Jo?
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously they played well. They suffocated. They suffocated.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say it. I feel they suffocated. The
Speaker 3: goddamn the thunder. It was one on four. I'm I'm
Speaker 3: gonna call it like that. It was one on five actually,
Speaker 3: because Shay was the only one that showed up to night,
Speaker 3: even though he had twenty points, but he only had
Speaker 3: two assists and he had four turnovers. But Joker doing
Speaker 3: what he does, and god damn Jamal Murray with twenty
Speaker 3: five at night. Listen, they set the tone. You expect
Speaker 3: a game like this. You want to be able. A
Speaker 3: young team like that, that can, that's up and down
Speaker 3: the floor. They played the defense. You want to be
Speaker 3: able to close out a game like this. You want
Speaker 3: to be able to But obviously the Nuggets having that
Speaker 3: championship pedigree and and being that they've been in.
Speaker 4: This position before they were able to pull this game off.
Speaker 3: The fact that Shae, the fact that it was the
Speaker 3: game of this this much importance, and Shae was the
Speaker 3: only one to show up the night, and nobody else did.
Speaker 3: Lou Dort, Hartenstein, Javin Williams. They played, They played bad.
Speaker 3: They played bad, and I don't know if if maybe
Speaker 3: they might have been tired. They may, they may want
Speaker 3: to get the game seven and then just pull a
Speaker 3: pull a rabbit, pull up a rabbit out that had
Speaker 3: a seven.
Speaker 1: Naw, you can't chance that, o Jo, because you a
Speaker 1: road ankle, you an elbow, you you you're a bad play,
Speaker 1: you a push, you lose your composure, You one play
Speaker 1: away from being out of this thing. And so you
Speaker 1: never you never put off tomorrow what you can get
Speaker 1: done today. Now why I get that, you know in
Speaker 1: front of our home crowd, but your home crowd doesn't
Speaker 1: guarantee you a win.
Speaker 2: And so that's why I would be out look.
Speaker 1: And plus the Nuggets have been in game seven, They've
Speaker 1: been here, they done that, They're battle tested, they got
Speaker 1: a three time league MVP, and they got one of
Speaker 1: the best big game finishers in Jamal Murray in the NBA,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't want to test that. I thought Chest
Speaker 1: played really good today. He was eight or fourteen. He
Speaker 1: had eleven rebounds. But Jaylen Williams, who's their second best player,
Speaker 1: did not have his best game. He had six points
Speaker 1: with sixteen shots, So Joe, he was all four from
Speaker 1: the three, and he didn't get to the free throw line.
Speaker 1: So that tells me he was settling. He wasn't nearly
Speaker 1: aggressive as he needed to be because he can put
Speaker 1: the ball on the floor, and he settled for those
Speaker 1: three point shots, which the Nuggets would gladly accept. Sixteen
Speaker 1: free throws three attempts. That's not from the basketball. They
Speaker 1: need to be somewhere between twenty five and thirty free
Speaker 1: throw attempts and keep that the three point attempts somewhere
Speaker 1: like if you get to thirty, you can live with that.
Speaker 1: You can live with that. But they got the forty
Speaker 1: and they only made eleven. They weren't nearly aggressive enough.
Speaker 1: I think that that that that that's that that was
Speaker 1: a problem for them tonight. But the Nuggets with plenty
Speaker 1: plenty aggressive with thirty three thirty two free throw a tempts.
Speaker 1: Looking at this game, so projecting matrix going to a
Speaker 1: game seven, What do you think, OKAYC need to do
Speaker 1: to keep the Nuggets from coming into their building in
Speaker 1: a game seven and walking out there going to the
Speaker 1: Western Conference finals?
Speaker 2: Who who? What Dad say? Show up?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's uh, it's it's gonna be
Speaker 1: simple to them, and that's not gonna be simple. But
Speaker 1: you need your yo yo. Your role players play batter
Speaker 1: at home. So this is that's gonna be that hospital
Speaker 1: home court advantage?
Speaker 2: Is that right now?
Speaker 1: This postseason, so it's been isn't paying off, but both
Speaker 1: teams have won them both on both their home courts.
Speaker 1: So h oh, listen that seven game, man, you just
Speaker 1: you just don't know. Man, you got you throwing them
Speaker 1: up in the air and like, listen, let's go to
Speaker 1: the war. You know you got come, you gotta come
Speaker 1: to fight. You know, you just don't know. Because Lebron's
Speaker 1: been been struggling the last three games, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, two or three games? Yeah, and shoot he
Speaker 1: found this shot shot to night. So look, Gordon's has
Speaker 1: been playing great. He didn't have a great eight knight.
Speaker 1: He'site five points. I think what is called how many
Speaker 1: points or Gordon scored. He had five points on two
Speaker 1: or seven. But did I see him? Did you think
Speaker 1: you looked like he grabbed his hamstring like that that
Speaker 1: left hand. Me started bothering him because he was doing it.
Speaker 1: You know, he was grabbing a little bit.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, left one, the left, the left side.
Speaker 1: Dams facing nothing to play with if he hurt. Now
Speaker 1: that that's that's I don't want that. I don't want
Speaker 1: to see no injuries in the postseason. But man, that
Speaker 1: that can that can change the dynamic of everything.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Certain teams know he's a big part to their team
Speaker 1: and what he's done for this uh, for the postseason
Speaker 1: and helped to win the championship two years ago.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be interesting to see who shows up.
Speaker 1: Man, It's like, ain't no more schemes, ain't no more
Speaker 1: drawn up this and that?
Speaker 2: It does. They know, they know when they go, they
Speaker 2: know when to fight, going to the bath.
Speaker 1: They know.
Speaker 2: So let's let's let's come a war, baby. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought the Nuggets. I thought the Nuggets. I thought
Speaker 1: the Nuggets bench. They got twenty seven points from the
Speaker 1: bench to offset the thirty points because normally the thunder
Speaker 1: bench blows the Nuggets bench away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tonight it was only a plus three.
Speaker 1: Well you could live with that because the Nuggets are
Speaker 1: only gonna play like three guys off the bench. Russ,
Speaker 1: Watson and Strawther those are the only two. Those are
Speaker 1: only three guys that's gonna get off the bench.
Speaker 2: Now we know.
Speaker 1: Okay, see they're gonna play five guys coming off the bench.
Speaker 2: That's what they do. That's what they normally do.
Speaker 1: Uh. Tonight they played a few more, but it was
Speaker 1: in mop up duty, so I don't really count those.
Speaker 1: But you look at guys that Wallace played twenty seven minutes,
Speaker 1: Wiggans play twelve minutes, Caruso played twenty seven minutes, and
Speaker 1: Jay Williams played fourteen minutes. So that's one two three four.
Speaker 1: So they played nine guys. Sometimes occasionally they'll play ten.
Speaker 1: Actually they played well you can look at they play
Speaker 1: ten because Isaiah Joe played eight minutes. All the other
Speaker 1: guys played one minutes. That was mop up duty. So
Speaker 1: you know they're normally gonna run nine to ten guys
Speaker 1: at you O Joe, And that's where they kind of
Speaker 1: do a lot of their damage because they got guys
Speaker 1: that can go get buckets against your second unit. You
Speaker 1: look at Caruso, you look at Carson Wallace, you look
Speaker 1: at a Wiggins and Isaiah Joe. Those guys can score.
Speaker 1: And so that's normally the deciding factor is that when
Speaker 1: they take their starters out, okay, see takes their starters out,
Speaker 1: the second unit can get some distance or they can
Speaker 1: claw back if they're behind, they can claw back some
Speaker 1: of the some of the dig into the lead that
Speaker 1: you have. But I thought the Nuggets bench played extremely
Speaker 1: well tonight. I think coach Adaman is gonna be very
Speaker 1: pleased with the performance that he got. You know, Jamal
Speaker 1: Murray got a little careless with the basketball late in.
Speaker 2: The ball game.
Speaker 1: I think he had like two or three consecutive turnovers
Speaker 1: and got in the game a little bit more interesting
Speaker 1: than probably what it should have been late.
Speaker 2: But I love the way they.
Speaker 1: Regathered themselves and it was able to close this game
Speaker 1: out by twelve. So we have a game seven in
Speaker 1: the Western Conference Semmifinals the Denver Nuggets about the score
Speaker 1: of one nineteen to one oh seven over the OKC
Speaker 1: thunder forced the game seven, and that game will be
Speaker 1: on Sunday and we'll break be right here to you.
Speaker 1: The Nuggets will play in Game seven for the seventh
Speaker 1: time in the Yokic era. Sunday would be their first
Speaker 1: Game seven on the road. They had a road game
Speaker 1: during the Bubble, but that doesn't count because everybody was
Speaker 1: on the road. Oh Joe, who you like? Oh Joe,
Speaker 1: who you like? In this Game seven, you're taking the Thunder.
Speaker 1: You're taking the Nuggets.
Speaker 3: Listen, the Nuggets have already been there before. I want
Speaker 3: to see Shae winn it. I want to see the
Speaker 3: MVP get into it. I think the difference in this
Speaker 3: game is gonna have to be the bench. They got
Speaker 3: to be the bench. The goddamn bench got to show up.
Speaker 3: Shae ConA do what he does. Jay and William shit,
Speaker 3: they gonna do what they do. I think the bench
Speaker 3: is gonna be the difference. They have no choice. I mean,
Speaker 3: Game seven for one, and I'm giving the ad to
Speaker 3: the Thunder because they're gonna be at home.
Speaker 4: They're gonna be at home, So I got damn. If
Speaker 4: you want to put a little money on it, let.
Speaker 2: Me know, man.
Speaker 1: I told you it was concerning to me because I
Speaker 1: saw Aaron Gordon grabbing that hamstring, and that's not a
Speaker 1: good sign. And I understand they got they don't play again,
Speaker 1: oh Joe until Sunday. If that hamster, hopefully it would
Speaker 1: like a little dehydration and it's just grabbing on it.
Speaker 1: It just spasoming it up. It's not a strain of anything.
Speaker 1: So let's let's just hope hope for that. Let's let's
Speaker 1: you know, pray for the best. Yeah, that's all that's
Speaker 1: all we can do at this point in time now.
Speaker 1: But they got their work cut out for him. If if, if,
Speaker 1: if Gordon was one hundred percent healthy and I didn't
Speaker 1: see him grab that ham string, I probably would have
Speaker 1: went with the Nuggets. Wait playing it And it doesn't matter, Okay,
Speaker 1: I like I like your kitchen and Murray to pull
Speaker 1: this thing out. If all I want to do is
Speaker 1: get the lead, See I would to get I want
Speaker 1: to keep your crowd out of the game.
Speaker 2: And make sure you know this. The longer I can.
Speaker 1: Keep your crowd out of the game, the better my
Speaker 1: chances are because the home team's gonna feed off that energy.
Speaker 1: But I ain't gonna give you nothing to cheer about.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come I jump out on your ten nothing
Speaker 1: makes you call the time out. You hit a bucket,
Speaker 1: then we're gonna go on another front. And so we're
Speaker 1: gonna keep the crowd on the hands were gonna We're
Speaker 1: gonna have the crowd waiting for you to give them
Speaker 1: something to cheer about.
Speaker 2: But that moment is never gonna come. Go ahead, Matrix.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Okay, c is one of the most loudest arenas I've
Speaker 1: ever played in. It's gonna be rocking in there, so
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I'm excited for it. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I've been in that arena and that's a
Speaker 1: hostile environment in there, and I'm telling you it's gonna
Speaker 1: be off the chain. I think, Okay, she gonna flow
Speaker 1: it out for some reason.
Speaker 2: Though, see tell you.
Speaker 1: Uh Majure's your former team. Wasn't the NBA draft lardest.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like a tough decision who they'll take.
Speaker 1: But now some NBA executives are reportedly skeptical that Cooper
Speaker 1: Flag will develop will uh whether or not he'll develop
Speaker 1: into a superstar. According to Howard Back of The Ringer,
Speaker 1: one anonymous eight exact said that while Flag have a
Speaker 1: high chance of becoming an All Star. He isn't in
Speaker 1: the same class as other recent number one overall picks
Speaker 1: such as Victor and Miyama and Zion Williamson in terms
Speaker 1: of being a can't miss generational prospect. Another executive suggested
Speaker 1: Flag may be a very good player, but not a star,
Speaker 1: while the third said Flag does have superstar potential, but
Speaker 1: they aren't sure he'll be a future MVP candidate. I
Speaker 1: think those are all the guys that want the Mavericks
Speaker 1: to trade Cooper Flag to him. Listen, I mean, metrics
Speaker 1: haven't played this game for as long as you haven't been,
Speaker 1: and seeing some of the other great players that played.
Speaker 2: This game, what do you think the ceiling is for
Speaker 2: Cooper Flag Man?
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't know what the ceiling is,
Speaker 1: but I think he's so talented and so skilled right
Speaker 1: now and the year he had in Duke. I mean,
Speaker 1: listen to Scott's limit for the young man. I think
Speaker 1: as long as he come in, put the work in,
Speaker 1: and we're singing samples of what he can do when
Speaker 1: he plays against the USA basketball team last year, US said, yep,
Speaker 1: so the work is there now that it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a different test now having to go against these go
Speaker 1: against these players, not in night out, but I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: if he comes to the Mavericks and we Mavericks draft
Speaker 1: him number one, I think he come into a great
Speaker 1: organization and a great situation.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be the the number one. He's not
Speaker 1: the faith no, no, not the not the focal poet.
Speaker 1: And he got you got some you got some great
Speaker 1: veteran leaders on that team. That's gonna help him, and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an easier transition when you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of times people be uh, A lot of times
Speaker 1: good teams don't ever get the first pick.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Teams, you know that's because you're a lot of reteam.
Speaker 1: Don't mean you're a bad team. He just had a
Speaker 1: bad correct that bad season. Things didn't fall your way.
Speaker 1: So a lot of times, a lot of good some
Speaker 1: good players come into teams that are are bad.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You come into a situation where they want you to
Speaker 1: be the guy immediately, and sometimes that doesn't work out
Speaker 1: for a lot of guys. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's that much pressure, it's harder. There's too much everything
Speaker 1: going on to me moving parts. But he got a
Speaker 1: good chance to go into a good organization. Good coach,
Speaker 1: Jay Kidd, my guy, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: uh man playing with Anthony Davis, Kyrie Klay Thompson and
Speaker 1: a young young group of guys as talented and the
Speaker 1: ain't hungry. So I mean I think, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: as we sit here and talk about all these teams
Speaker 1: and stuff, a lot of a lot of teams are
Speaker 1: either one player or one and a half player away.
Speaker 2: From going to the finals.
Speaker 1: I'll say this every year all the time, that that
Speaker 1: that that the parody is so close during down the
Speaker 1: league that you know what I'm saying, all it take
Speaker 1: is to get you get getting hurt at the right time.
Speaker 2: Right, O Joe, what do you think Cooper flag ceiling is?
Speaker 1: Because he's a lot of execs says Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he'll be a good player, but not a superstar. I
Speaker 1: think he'd be good, but he's not. He's not Zion,
Speaker 1: he's not Victor winbin Yama out. We don't see him
Speaker 1: as a as this generational talent like can't miss and
Speaker 1: another guys like well, I don't see him as an
Speaker 1: MVP candidate.
Speaker 2: There have been a lot of great players that didn't
Speaker 2: win the m v P.
Speaker 3: H Well, hell, they said the same thing about Joker.
Speaker 3: You see where he went, right, Yeah, he probably said
Speaker 3: the same thing about him. But obviously you watch Cooper Flag,
Speaker 3: he's looking what he's done Duke right, and you watch
Speaker 3: him play against the elite talent at the college level.
Speaker 3: But then you also watch what he was able to
Speaker 3: do against the USA basketball team before they prepared for
Speaker 3: the Olympics, and you understand he has all the tools
Speaker 3: in the toolbox. He's someone that works hard. And obviously
Speaker 3: him going to Dallas and not having to be the
Speaker 3: face and just being a part of that team and
Speaker 3: being able to work on his game and evolve his
Speaker 3: game to a point where he actually can become a superstar.
Speaker 3: I mean, how many times do you have a player
Speaker 3: that's a generational talent and comes out and as Wimbayama
Speaker 3: or Zion Wims Williamson. Those are special talents that come
Speaker 3: around every so often. Everyone else that becomes elite or
Speaker 3: NBP caliber, they have to work at it, right, we
Speaker 3: have to give him an opportunity to work on this
Speaker 3: game because everybody doesn't just come out in Nordy be
Speaker 3: all right, a chosen one.
Speaker 1: There's only so many Lebrons. Yeah, just because I think
Speaker 1: the thing is in major correct me from wrong. A
Speaker 1: lot of times the lit till we know this is like,
Speaker 1: oh he number one, he transcended, he generational, he's franchise altering.
Speaker 2: No that somebody's got to go number one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just because you go number one, that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you're gonna be Kareem or Magic or Lebron or one
Speaker 1: of these other historically great players that has been selected
Speaker 1: number one. And so I think that that that needs
Speaker 1: to be That needs to be the thought process. People
Speaker 1: think just because you go number one, oh he's about
Speaker 1: to be Peyton Manny, Oh he about to be John Elway. No,
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily true. Somebody has to go number one.
Speaker 1: And maybe just because he went number one, that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he's gonna be franchise altering it.
Speaker 2: Could he could?
Speaker 1: He could, because look, we can say that there have
Speaker 1: been plenty of guys that they had late the tag
Speaker 1: can't miss and they missed, And there have been some
Speaker 1: guys that're like, damn, I didn't see that, Because if
Speaker 1: you saw that, like you said, O, Joe, if everybody
Speaker 1: would have thought Yoki was gonna to be what he
Speaker 1: turned out, he wouldn't have been in the second round.
Speaker 1: He'd been a number one pick of the draft, and
Speaker 1: because he wasn't, that just goes to show you it's
Speaker 1: you never know what a guy has in here here.
Speaker 2: You never know. You can look at it and say, oh, man,
Speaker 2: that Joe was sixteen.
Speaker 1: He can jump out the gym, he can shoot the three,
Speaker 1: he can get to the mini, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2: But what does he have in here? How much does
Speaker 2: it mean to it?
Speaker 1: Because some guys it means more to others, and they're
Speaker 1: willing to work a little harder in order to achieve it.
Speaker 1: Some guys that have come natural to Matrix and they
Speaker 1: don't work nearly as hard. And you're like, man, I
Speaker 1: sure wish I had that guy's talent. With his talent
Speaker 1: and my work, effic hell, I could have been this.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think? What do you think?
Speaker 1: Matrix man? Listen, y'all, y'all hitting on a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of points. Man, I think
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things I'm I'm a firm believer
Speaker 1: in is in order to be selful, you got a sacrifice.
Speaker 1: How much do you want to sacrifice to get to
Speaker 1: that position? To get that nutt level? I think he has,
Speaker 1: Like you said, he has all potential. One of the
Speaker 1: things you didn't realize. I guess doing the history and
Speaker 1: everybody's talking about he gonna be the if. When it happens,
Speaker 1: he will be the first a white boy to actually
Speaker 1: go number one in the draft in a long time.
Speaker 1: Think about that, Yeah, had Bill, Yeah, most of all
Speaker 1: the all the white players in the league now Europe
Speaker 1: or black player. Yeah, and that's not saying American all
Speaker 1: of them. He's the first American. Uh yeah, Ernican boy
Speaker 1: gonna be going number one the draft. That's tough, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, Gallinari, Gallinari with number one?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Did he go number one? Yeah he did.
Speaker 1: I think they did. You rock Toronto. Yeah, But that's
Speaker 1: a lot man saying a lot. But man, he's taught.
Speaker 2: Man. I wish him the best, man.
Speaker 1: I think he has a tremorous upside to the It's
Speaker 1: gonna be exciting to watch.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah from Indiana.
Speaker 1: Who Yeah, the last the last American born white player
Speaker 1: to go number one. Overall was Kent Benson?
Speaker 2: What year was that?
Speaker 1: I think he's the one that got in the fight
Speaker 1: with Kareem and Kareem broke he elbowed Kareem and Kareem
Speaker 1: turned around the points to be the face he broke
Speaker 1: his nose. Yeah, what year was that though? Forty five
Speaker 1: years ago? Nineteen seventy seven. Yes, so what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because what was walking in seventy seventies seventies six? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was five seventy six, walking back in seventy five,
Speaker 1: seventy six, it.
Speaker 4: Was seventy five.
Speaker 2: I was at that draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's he wasn't he born yet, but okay,
Speaker 1: he was born. Yeah, so it's walk was seventy was
Speaker 1: the seventy four draft. Yeah, that's special, man, But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a lot. Yeah, that's that's been that's a long
Speaker 1: time time man. Listen, I think he's special though I
Speaker 1: wished him all of up.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I hope I hope it. I hope he's able to
Speaker 1: excel and do everything he wants and put it. I
Speaker 1: heard he got great work at he's a great Bundy.
Speaker 1: I ain't so I heard I heard his special kid.
Speaker 1: I ain't met him yeah, I heard great things about
Speaker 1: him already, and I was gonna see him.
Speaker 2: I'm up here.
Speaker 1: I went to the combine yesterday, so yeah, I ain't
Speaker 1: seen him yet, so I was hoping to run into him.
Speaker 1: I ain't bumping to him. So, uh yeah, Ton the
Speaker 1: corner metrics, you was at the right team. It was
Speaker 1: Andre Barnyanni. Yeah, that was number one overall in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six to Toronto. You had the right team.
Speaker 1: But I knew. I was like, no, it was I
Speaker 1: got it, got it confused, but it was. It was
Speaker 1: Barnyanni in two thousand and six. I play with Andre
Speaker 1: what but he was foreign born? Where we're talking an
Speaker 1: American born player. Hell, there hadn't been a whole lot
Speaker 1: of them. I mean you gotta go. I mean, you
Speaker 1: go back to Walton seventy four. You got Ken Bison
Speaker 1: in seventy six. So it's not like it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's not been a it's not been a whole lot
Speaker 1: of American born, white players that's been selected number one overall.
Speaker 1: But if it be a huge accomplishment for Cooper Flag,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'd be very excited. His family, his town,
Speaker 1: his hometown, uh state would be very excited to see, uh, finally,
Speaker 1: finally an.
Speaker 2: American born white player be selected number one.
Speaker 1: All it's uh, it's interesting to see because to see
Speaker 1: the way he plays O Joe because of the side
Speaker 1: they had, what is six saxty sixty nine.
Speaker 2: He can handle the ball because he led, He led.
Speaker 1: Duke and everything, scoring, rebound, assists, block shots, steals, so
Speaker 1: it shows that he's well rounded. He could do it.
Speaker 1: He could do a lot. He could do it basically everything,
Speaker 1: a little everything. And but the difference is he was
Speaker 1: a coming into Duke's one thing, coming into the NBA
Speaker 1: where there guys just to skill just as talk can
Speaker 1: jump just as how I can run just as fast
Speaker 1: and shoot just as good can play defense, just as
Speaker 1: good can do everything you do just as good. That's
Speaker 1: what'st That's what you when you start getting the levels.
Speaker 1: They say, Okay, you go to JV and then you
Speaker 1: go to high school, and then you go to college,
Speaker 1: or you go to the G League or whatever the
Speaker 1: case may be. But once you get to the pros
Speaker 1: which is NBA, NFL, MLB, whatever the case, whatever sport
Speaker 1: that you play, yeah, you understand, like there's levels to this.
Speaker 1: This is this and people feed. This is what I
Speaker 1: tell that said, these grown men, this is how they
Speaker 1: feed their family. This is how kids go to private school.
Speaker 1: This is how college tuitions get paid. This is how
Speaker 1: to make sure the wife didn't go significant other than
Speaker 1: nothing to have to work. This is how mom or
Speaker 1: grandma get the house. Bro, guys are not gonna allow
Speaker 1: you to take food up their table now they Hey,
Speaker 1: they bringing it, because that's how that's how I look.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys frosted one, but I
Speaker 1: looked at Oh, you try to take you try to
Speaker 1: take my kids out of school. You try to get
Speaker 1: my grandma to have to go back to do a
Speaker 1: little odds and then jobs.
Speaker 2: Oh no, bro, that ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know that's our old school mentality though, that's
Speaker 1: all They ain't the new generation mentality.
Speaker 2: Really, they don't think like that.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, But that's that's that's how, that's
Speaker 1: our train of thought, because you know that we were
Speaker 1: survivors back then.
Speaker 2: These now it's a big entitlement now these days.
Speaker 1: But some of these kids, there are some special ones
Speaker 1: that truly believe in putting the work in.
Speaker 2: I think he's one of those guys.
Speaker 1: I think, Uh, listen, a lot of us, now we
Speaker 1: know what the gang gave us, and the opportunity to
Speaker 1: get for us ourselves, our families and our friends, and.
Speaker 2: Everybody will be able to truly bless.
Speaker 1: But sometimes a lot of people take these things for
Speaker 1: granted and it can be over just as fast as
Speaker 1: they can.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because we've been hearing a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot about this. Uh Nico Hasson trades
Speaker 1: Luka Doncic. Now that the ratings goes Hey, why he's
Speaker 1: in l a And now he trades Luca and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden and the number two pick goes to Utah,
Speaker 1: which means the number one pick goes to the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2: Do you believe the draft is rigged? The draft lot
Speaker 2: of is rigged?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: It's just sometimes things work out in their favorite man.
Speaker 1: I think you know, if you look at it, if
Speaker 1: it was rigged. And why are teams thanking purposely to
Speaker 1: try to get the number one pick? Most of the
Speaker 1: teams are tank What team has ever tanked purposely tanked
Speaker 1: and got one number one pick? Can you do the
Speaker 1: try on that true, the team is to be very
Speaker 1: interesting because the team that started taking they they picked
Speaker 1: it way down.
Speaker 2: They gonna be need to tank again, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So when you start thinking about all that stuff, man, listen,
Speaker 1: everybody gonna always have a speculation. Somebody always have something
Speaker 1: to say, whether it's right or wrong. Yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: you know what the face, Well, the conspiracy theory is
Speaker 1: gonna always exist, man, come on, it started the first
Speaker 1: year that it actually started. Guy, the first year they
Speaker 1: had the lottery to eighty five and the Knicks ended
Speaker 1: up getting Patrick Uit. So that started. They're like, hold on,
Speaker 1: it's of New York. The first year they got the lottery,
Speaker 1: you didn't get hit the Patrick ewit. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: it started. So every since then they're like, hold on,
Speaker 1: you mean to tell me a guy that grew up
Speaker 1: one hour away from Cleveland and he's coming out and
Speaker 1: he ended up to the Cavs Lebron.
Speaker 3: I don't know, listen, it was such a convenience. It's
Speaker 3: such an odd convenience too. No shine to where it
Speaker 3: almost seems like, even though if you're conspiracy theorist and all,
Speaker 3: it just seems like it was rigged or done on
Speaker 3: purpose to to satisfy and not just the MAVs were
Speaker 3: going tozation, but the fans as well, and to get
Speaker 3: Nico Nico Harrison off the goddamn hook.
Speaker 4: That's just what feels like. Just how what are the
Speaker 4: odds on? Think about it?
Speaker 1: Though they had the fourth, they had the fourth longest
Speaker 1: odds to get the number one overall pick. I think
Speaker 1: Dereck Rose was like one for Chicago, get another one.
Speaker 1: Chicago got Deck Rose. We didn't want to talk about that,
Speaker 1: but go ahead, go ahead, fish point.
Speaker 3: I was just saying just the fact that it all
Speaker 3: happened that way and it was perfect. It seemed perfectly orchestrated.
Speaker 3: You let you let Luca go, and you have nothing.
Speaker 3: Everybody's upset. Nico Harrison keeps on talking about it, making
Speaker 3: everybody even more upset.
Speaker 4: And now to ease.
Speaker 3: Everybody's mind and ease the tension, damn now you got
Speaker 3: the number one pick two. I don't know, it just
Speaker 3: seems the odds, If the dods are that good, we
Speaker 3: need to go play the goddamn lotto.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Let me ask you this matrix, what was
Speaker 1: your reaction when you found that your team had traded
Speaker 1: Luca to the Lakers. Lakers, listen, I hang a lot
Speaker 1: to you. When we saw it, we thought it was
Speaker 1: a hoax. We thought everybody did. We thought it was
Speaker 1: a fake. It was some bullshit, be honest. But you
Speaker 1: ain't Yeah, like nah, I ain't, no way it happened.
Speaker 1: They don't even sound real.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I was getting text messages, I was getting it started
Speaker 1: hitting the Sports Center and it was like everything. I
Speaker 1: was like, ho ho, this was for real. I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: what happened? But man, listen, it's a business man. You
Speaker 1: know when you when you ever sit on the other
Speaker 1: side of the uh on all the side of the
Speaker 1: business side, not the sporting side, just on the on
Speaker 1: the on the massak side. I'm the owner. I've been
Speaker 1: the owner for sports now for seven years now.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I've been in that space. It's a different mindset. It's
Speaker 1: a business. At the end of the day. People don't
Speaker 1: really truly understand the dynamics of what owners doing.
Speaker 2: Don't do.
Speaker 1: All they see is what the fans do. I mean,
Speaker 1: what the what what the sport is on the I
Speaker 1: mean what things that go on the floor and what
Speaker 1: people get paid. There's a lot of moving parts behind
Speaker 1: the scene that go on to run these teams and
Speaker 1: organizations and stuff. So when it's so many moving parts on,
Speaker 1: I just say, look, man, it's it's a business. Man.
Speaker 1: It things happen, you know what I'm saying that that's
Speaker 1: that's what it is. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we can signed contracts. We was all athletes at one point,
Speaker 1: but we have no controller. Some of us happened control
Speaker 1: to say so at times predicated on the situations and
Speaker 1: who you are and what you did on that court.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, if somebody wants
Speaker 1: to trade you, they got direct to trade you, you
Speaker 1: know what, right, Like come on now, like I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not saying all this, but they do have an owner.
Speaker 2: You sign a contract. That owner controls your rights and
Speaker 2: everything you do.
Speaker 1: But you you he paid your salary, dude, he could
Speaker 1: he writes in checks for you so you can go
Speaker 1: cash and little lights out that we do understand that
Speaker 1: it's a business and it's it's not a lot of
Speaker 1: things don't go to play as plannings you want.
Speaker 2: Sometimes Listen, I was traded what twice? Twice? You know?
Speaker 1: And but I knew I was going, I knew I
Speaker 1: had control over where I was going and dictated all
Speaker 1: that stuff.
Speaker 2: I knew exactly what was happening and how it happened.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But like saying to, I have some leeway.
Speaker 1: So at least if you are gonna get a certain
Speaker 1: a certain caliber player, you do have some say someone
Speaker 1: know what's going on, and uh, you know it is
Speaker 1: what it is, it's part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but see you had you had some knowledge. Luca
Speaker 2: had no knowledge of it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, this thing, this thing was had it had
Speaker 1: to be hush hushed because we didn't hear anything about it.
Speaker 2: Luca. Lookah yeah, I mean listen.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why I hurt him so much,
Speaker 1: because he I think he had all intents and purpose
Speaker 1: to spend his entire careerge Houston. And you think a
Speaker 1: guy that's been the excuse me, Dallas. I think when
Speaker 1: you make five consecutive of all the NBA teams, you
Speaker 1: just took a team to the finals, You're like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm here.
Speaker 2: I ain't going nowhere as long as I want to
Speaker 2: be here.
Speaker 1: And plus the fact we had never seen someone his age,
Speaker 1: this talented leave without requesting to leave. Kareem left because
Speaker 1: he wanted to leave. Lebron left because he wanted to leave.
Speaker 1: Shaq left. But we've never seen a guy this young,
Speaker 1: this accomplished leave and had no idea that it was
Speaker 1: going on, that they were going to move him. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what hurting the most. And people always
Speaker 1: have this idea. You know, people love spending other people's money. Man,
Speaker 1: it wasn't three hundred and forty five million dollars. It
Speaker 1: ain't your money, ain't nothing, but the order looking at it, like,
Speaker 1: hold on three forty five for Luca, I'm gonna probably
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 2: Break bread with Kyrie. Ad gonna want up some money.
Speaker 1: And so they're looking at the business aspect of it,
Speaker 1: and like you know, I know they were talking one time,
Speaker 1: but potentially moving it the Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I think the NBA want their own team in Las
Speaker 1: Vegas and possibly another team in Seattle, considering how much
Speaker 1: money is being paid for NBA franchises.
Speaker 2: But I think that's what I think. Oh Chore, let
Speaker 2: me ask you this. Do you think.
Speaker 1: The vitriol, the outrage that the fan base and Dallas
Speaker 1: showed towards NKO and the Dallas organization.
Speaker 2: You think it was warranted?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, based on what Luca's been able to do
Speaker 3: on the court, what he's done for them, especially the
Speaker 3: previous year taking them to the NBA Finals, It's goddamn warranted.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely warranted for a generational talent like that. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure what the issue is. I understand they might
Speaker 3: have been some things off the court that might have
Speaker 3: rubbed management long term and wanted to invest that kind
Speaker 3: of money in him, But when it comes to what
Speaker 3: he does on the court and understanding what he meant
Speaker 3: to not just the fans of Dallas, but what he meant.
Speaker 4: To that organization, I just don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't.
Speaker 3: I don't see myself doing it if I'm in their position,
Speaker 3: I just don't.
Speaker 2: How do you make you you're the general manager?
Speaker 1: You know, Luca in line to get a five year,
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty five million dollar contract. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you talk to anybody in the building,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much time do you live in Dallas?
Speaker 1: Where do you live? Phoenix is down, I'm in Dallas,
Speaker 1: I'm in both, Okay, So I don't know how how
Speaker 1: close you are the people in the building.
Speaker 2: Huh huh.
Speaker 3: You said, I'm in both, but every boy got money, So.
Speaker 1: Keep that said. I don't I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how close you are the people in
Speaker 1: the building or what do you heard? You know, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of things about conditioning, and then you know, uh,
Speaker 1: he likes you know, he likes hookah and whatever the
Speaker 1: case may be.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, he's still giving
Speaker 2: you those numbers.
Speaker 1: So you're the general manager in Dallas and Luca's on
Speaker 1: your team.
Speaker 2: How do you head of this situation? You trade me?
Speaker 1: You know what that's not It's not as easy as
Speaker 1: you say that. You asked me a question if I'm
Speaker 1: a gym. It's got so many other movie parts that
Speaker 1: go along with it.
Speaker 2: Though. So when you I was so I would I
Speaker 2: could say this, I was. You gave me the GM hat.
Speaker 1: I'm giving you the franchise player hat because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you something that comes along with being a franchise player.
Speaker 1: So you gotta so you're the franchise player on the court,
Speaker 1: but you also the franchise player, your face of everything
Speaker 1: in the community. And all this stuff off the court
Speaker 1: if you're doing it the right way and all the stuff.
Speaker 1: So I know what my my job and my duty
Speaker 1: was when I signed that contract, when I said, max player,
Speaker 1: when you sign that contract, there are certain obligations that
Speaker 1: you have to abide by and do. So I've done that.
Speaker 1: So I was in that space. Now do I feel
Speaker 1: like that was the same situation here?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you. I think a Luka was an amazing
Speaker 1: kid and everything. Me being a GM, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a GM call though, honestly, sometimes
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes, you know, I think that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Everybody think it's always this. I'm I'm and like I said,
Speaker 1: I've been on the owner, I'm on the older side.
Speaker 1: Now I've been the only spot. A lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of sisiness and everything. You know, this it's a
Speaker 1: trickle down effect, you know what I'm saying. It's like
Speaker 1: everybody say, here whispers and all this just came from
Speaker 1: this such and such. Man, listen, you're talking about a
Speaker 1: multi billion dollar business. Then worst this ain't coming from somebody.
Speaker 1: Somebody will opened their down mouth somewhere and said something
Speaker 1: it ain't a't supposed to say it or they get
Speaker 1: permission to say that.
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, Man, Nico my guy.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been knowing.
Speaker 1: Nico for for twenty years, man, and that's my guy.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, Man, whether he
Speaker 1: did what I don't know, whether he did what happened happened.
Speaker 2: It is what it is.
Speaker 1: I don't think nobody was gonna give him any love
Speaker 1: or any followers for I don't care who what he got.
Speaker 1: He could have got Michael Jordan back. I think everybody
Speaker 1: will still be mad, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, man, listen, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's a business man.
Speaker 2: It's sad, but I get it. Man.
Speaker 1: I am a dollhard cubby fan man. So and and
Speaker 1: players get traded all the time. Man, Sometimes some of
Speaker 1: your favorite players get gone. Guess what I'm be mad.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be mad he gone, But I'm still gonna
Speaker 1: be that fan. I'm gonna I'm still be a fan
Speaker 1: of that player who got traded, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I'm still gonna be a fan of the clubs,
Speaker 1: so that when I think about it from a span standpoint, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gonna be in your films a little bit. I
Speaker 1: talked to some fans and I heard, I felt they paying.
Speaker 1: You know, I get it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But they was like, you know, I'm still a dar
Speaker 1: heard master, and now I love to hear that, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When yeah, fans, that's that's the that's the true truth
Speaker 1: nature of true fans when they tell you that they
Speaker 1: love a team so much.
Speaker 2: Man, listen, we gonna we we we.
Speaker 1: Don't like it, we don't agree with it, but guess what,
Speaker 1: we're gonna still be here and right I would treat
Speaker 1: guys so hopefully it works out for the best and
Speaker 1: everybody on both sides. Man.
Speaker 2: And that's what it is, man, you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: it's everything.
Speaker 1: And everybody is so sensitive about everything now, so it
Speaker 1: is so it just escalated everything ten times to what
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: And I get it, you know what I'm saying. Looka
Speaker 2: was special.
Speaker 1: He was doing he was doing something amazing, and they
Speaker 1: had it. They went to the finals last year and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, he got traded. He got
Speaker 1: moved and nobody knew. Like you said, nobody couldn't know
Speaker 1: about it. You know what I'm saying, because it probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened if it if it came out that
Speaker 1: they were trying, it would never happen. And this is
Speaker 1: what I know. Oh, Choll you know this, Yeah, majorre
Speaker 1: you know this. Ain't no general manager making no call
Speaker 1: on the three hundred and forty five US that's coming
Speaker 1: from ownership. He might, he might make a call to
Speaker 1: get a roll player or a mind have an exception.
Speaker 2: Three hundred and forty five million. He ain't making that call.
Speaker 1: That's when the top Hey listen, he ain't making that like, hey,
Speaker 1: we need we need a we need a backup point
Speaker 1: guard or the mid level excession exception or.
Speaker 2: What do that?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead of that, Nico. Ye, three hundred
Speaker 1: and forty five million. You about to get somebody? Say
Speaker 1: you about to get somebody seventy million of my dollars?
Speaker 1: Oh hell, hey, y'all, sery.
Speaker 2: Hell to the dollars? What you want to do? What?
Speaker 2: Hold on? Oh hold on, let me let me, let
Speaker 2: me let me think about that. Look here bad what
Speaker 2: they gain if Gona did that on the loan then
Speaker 2: got of that trade.
Speaker 1: What but but a lot of times you have to
Speaker 1: under you understand matrix when you're in that position.
Speaker 2: It's like, and oh told you when I talked about this.
Speaker 2: Well in the.
Speaker 1: Football aspect of it, Roger Goodell, he takes all the
Speaker 1: blowback for the owners. Rob ain't making no decision. That's
Speaker 1: them thirty two owners that pay his salary. You can't
Speaker 1: get a salary, it didn't think you can't. Thank you
Speaker 1: gonna call shots on your own. If you receive a salary,
Speaker 1: you gotta oh, you gotta take that from the bosses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing with Adam Adam Silver.
Speaker 1: Adam Silver worked for those thirty those thirty owners or
Speaker 1: those NBA teams. The same thing as Rob Manford. He
Speaker 1: works for those owners of those baseball teams. And so
Speaker 1: a lot of the blowback, Man, that's terrible. Roger Cadell
Speaker 1: boo boot o Joe Brother just at the draft and
Speaker 1: they're still booing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't I don't think people don't. Don't worry
Speaker 5: about it. Don't worry about it. Rogers said, y'all booing
Speaker 5: this sixty million. I got lifetime benefits and I get
Speaker 5: to fly private. So y'all don't keep on bing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't think. I don't think.
Speaker 3: The don understand that Roger is there, represents the thirty
Speaker 3: two owners schools that are implemented and put in place.
Speaker 2: That's what owners.
Speaker 3: Roger just got to deal with the with the run
Speaker 3: of the booze moBack, he got to deal with all us.
Speaker 4: He ain't tripping though.
Speaker 2: Hey hey no, he said, we say get on that
Speaker 2: PJ right, Yeah, and Mayo.
Speaker 1: Arto recently claimed that Celtics match up better against the
Speaker 1: Knicks without Tatum in the lineup exclusively because of mindset.
Speaker 1: I believe a team is a reflection of his leader.
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum is the leader of Boston. They are incredibly
Speaker 1: talented team, but they're not tough team. This is what
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant had to say. He responded on Twitter. Excuse
Speaker 1: me on ed damn hot take. Artists have ruined the
Speaker 1: sport football guys, no disrespect, but y'all boys need to stand.
Speaker 1: Y'all laying y'all don't know what it's like to be
Speaker 1: between them. Give the man a break, Give it between
Speaker 1: these lines, man, give it a break. Dudes who quit
Speaker 1: football early to pursue media talking mental.
Speaker 2: Toughness, cut it out.
Speaker 4: M M hey, KD taking KT taking shots.
Speaker 1: But yeah, k KD gonna respond. I ain't got no problem.
Speaker 1: I got a problem with it. I ain't got no
Speaker 1: problem with it. I like it.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 3: I wish more players were like that. I wish more
Speaker 3: elite superstar players would like that and voice their opinion.
Speaker 3: That's why that's why I like Twitter. I like X
Speaker 3: because it gives everybody a voice. Now, it cuts it
Speaker 3: cuts the middle man out, players being able to have
Speaker 3: an opportunity.
Speaker 1: Nothing lost lost, nothing lost in translation. Okay, yeah, I
Speaker 1: got something for y'all. Okay, okay, you talk about I
Speaker 1: love people having voices, but this is my thing.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: You're a champion, right, yeah, so your mindset is gonna
Speaker 1: be totally different than somebody who wasn't the champions and
Speaker 1: not correct. So so that's that's what you got people
Speaker 1: talking about the game and and this and that. But
Speaker 1: how can you how can somebody really define the game?
Speaker 2: If you got if you never want anything, and.
Speaker 1: Tell somebody from you telling you talking from a losing perspective,
Speaker 1: you know you never wanted you was an individual?
Speaker 2: You I mean I'm not saying you was.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of guys that was great, players that
Speaker 1: were great, never won.
Speaker 2: You don't talk about it's all about me, Me, me, me,
Speaker 2: what about you? Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, you was great individual, but you wasn't
Speaker 1: a great team player. You ain't excel your team to
Speaker 1: be to be a winner. You didn't win.
Speaker 2: Your team was losing.
Speaker 1: So so if I'm hearing you correctly, you can correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. You said, unless you've been a champion,
Speaker 1: how do you tell me what it takes to become
Speaker 1: a chance? I'm right, hm hmm. How are you gonna
Speaker 1: have a champion mindset? You've never been a champion?
Speaker 3: Well, I have another question, okay for people that in
Speaker 3: the media space right yes, I'm talking to Sean obviously,
Speaker 3: with with that, with that, with what he just said,
Speaker 3: how do you feel about people that talk about the
Speaker 3: game of basketball, the game of football, the game of hockey,
Speaker 3: and or or or punnits or analysts on it, or
Speaker 3: or get their opinion or views on it, but have
Speaker 3: never played the game?
Speaker 4: Can you take what they could? Can you take what
Speaker 4: they say serious if they've never done it?
Speaker 2: So So this is my thing.
Speaker 1: I think they they the media is great creating these
Speaker 1: narratives and hold on, they can listen. Everybody can have
Speaker 1: their opinion about the game. I'm not This is open
Speaker 1: it's open platform. Everybody can discuss it on every level
Speaker 1: from TV to social media to.
Speaker 2: Whatever you want to do, podcasts, whatever.
Speaker 1: But my thing is that so when you when you
Speaker 1: start dissecting and you really want to know the legists
Speaker 1: of what it really truly taste, go talk to somebody
Speaker 1: who's done it before.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna come.
Speaker 1: In your space and try to tell you how your
Speaker 1: job and tell you how your job if I've never
Speaker 1: done it, I've never been a reporter.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and slidly and saying link.
Speaker 1: But with that being said, I'm not gonna sit here
Speaker 1: and discredit people either, though there are some people that
Speaker 1: have are cleared. But what but the narratives that the
Speaker 1: media create. It becomes a part of our thought process,
Speaker 1: it becoming grainess these stories and everybody this this is
Speaker 1: the one thing I don't think Prez which people truly understand.
Speaker 1: If it's almost like if the media said they believe
Speaker 1: it bullshit and then now it becomes a thought process.
Speaker 1: Whether you agree with it or don't, it becomes a
Speaker 1: part of your thought process. And that's the first thing
Speaker 1: to come to your mind when you say something. And
Speaker 1: that's the one thing that pisses me off more than anything.
Speaker 1: So like, at the same time, I'm okay with people
Speaker 1: having an opinion, but let let me give you something
Speaker 1: else to think about it, think about from a different perspective,
Speaker 1: different side, or someone who actually did it.
Speaker 2: I walked this light, I walked this path.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you what from my experience of what
Speaker 1: I've been through, and I'm gonna I'm gonna pay this
Speaker 1: this This is the direction for you, and it's the
Speaker 1: deal for you. So when you sit here and you
Speaker 1: go through all these narratives, man, I just I just
Speaker 1: it just it just it hurts me sometime and pisces
Speaker 1: me off. I just sometimes I have to recuse myself
Speaker 1: from a lot of conversations because it's not it's falling
Speaker 1: on death fears because everybody's fucking stuck on stupid at times.
Speaker 1: You know, common sense ain't coming anymore, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So you know, it's so many levels to
Speaker 1: this shit. You know what I'm saying. It is I
Speaker 1: want to have well think I want to hand the baton.
Speaker 1: I want you to hand the baton off to me
Speaker 1: because I agree with a lot of what you saying.
Speaker 1: Guys that have covered this game, and I go in particular,
Speaker 1: I say, like a Tony Kornhizel or Michael Wilbond, guys
Speaker 1: that have covered the game. I think they understand the game,
Speaker 1: but their intricacies unless you've been in that huddle, unless
Speaker 1: you've been in that locker room in those intense moments,
Speaker 1: you couldn't possibly know. Now See, they might go by
Speaker 1: what somebody told them. I'm going by what I know. See,
Speaker 1: I was in the huddle on fourth down. I was
Speaker 1: in the huddle on third and six. I was in
Speaker 1: the locker room when we had lost five straight against Baltimore.
Speaker 1: So for you to say I think this is what, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you what I think. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: what I know because I was there, and so why
Speaker 1: they can write it and they've covered the game and
Speaker 1: they do a great job. And I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: discredit anybody that I've never said, well, you've didn't play
Speaker 1: the game, you don't know what you're talking about. I'm
Speaker 1: saying from a standpoint of being in the locker room,
Speaker 1: being on the field, being on the court, there are
Speaker 1: certain things that I can speak to that even in
Speaker 1: your thirty forty fifty years of covering the game right,
Speaker 1: can't give the fans what I can't having played the
Speaker 1: game far less than you've ever covered the game. Because
Speaker 1: I've been in the huddle, I've heard that call and
Speaker 1: I looked in guy's eyes, and I know who you know,
Speaker 1: guys that put it what they put in. And I
Speaker 1: know guys that bullgye because I'm there, I see them
Speaker 1: all the time. You get to spend open locker room,
Speaker 1: what thirty minutes five days? You get to spend thirty
Speaker 1: minutes on maybe Monday, Wednesday, Thursday. I don't think you
Speaker 1: get to come maybe a little bit on Friday. That's
Speaker 1: all you get. I get to see that guy from
Speaker 1: nine to five, five days a week, then on the
Speaker 1: road on Saturday and Sunday in the locker room.
Speaker 2: You coming in after the game.
Speaker 1: You don't get to talk to him before the game,
Speaker 1: so you don't know what he's thinking or you know,
Speaker 1: you haven't had a conversation with him before. And so
Speaker 1: that's why I don't discredit guys that, because there are
Speaker 1: some guys that do an excellent job and they've talked
Speaker 1: to some of the greats. But you see them talking
Speaker 1: to them. Yes, I'm right there with them. I'm right
Speaker 1: there in the locker room, I'm sitting right next to him,
Speaker 1: I'm right there in the huddle. And so I can
Speaker 1: I just think guys that have played the game now,
Speaker 1: everybody that played the game Matrix can't get on TV
Speaker 1: and talk about the game and explain it in a way,
Speaker 1: explaining in the way that maybe somebody in the media
Speaker 1: can talk about of course, but that doesn't mean just
Speaker 1: because you can articulate your thoughts more or better that
Speaker 1: you know the game better or understand the game better
Speaker 1: that hopefully that makes sense to know it? Does it?
Speaker 2: Does?
Speaker 1: You know? Like Mike, my guy, you know, he's from
Speaker 1: a crib here. So like Mike is great. Mike has
Speaker 1: been on TV for what Yes, Mike's been doing it
Speaker 1: for fifty years, like it has been on there. Man, I
Speaker 1: love Mike, you know, And uh, but you said something
Speaker 1: that that's so dawned. I mean, like you you you're
Speaker 1: experiencing somebody basically being around somebody twenty four seven and
Speaker 1: the trenches with people, it's totally different feeling, you know.
Speaker 2: I used to say this when it was everybody was
Speaker 2: like how the team feeling. I'm like, man, you got
Speaker 2: to be in this. You have to be in the
Speaker 2: locker room the seat. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't express what be going through right now. Well, well,
Speaker 1: I feel I can't even say it in words. It's
Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of you gotta be able to
Speaker 1: feel it. You gotta see it. You gotta be sitting
Speaker 1: next to me, and you gotta be feeling that heat
Speaker 1: coming from my from my teammate next to me in
Speaker 1: the list on both sides, and we just like we
Speaker 1: ain't got ain't say nothing to him. I'm looking at it,
Speaker 1: my my, my guy. We about to go to war
Speaker 1: out here. And it's like it's a whole different mindset,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think, Uh, it's so many different
Speaker 1: levels to this cause I think it was it's so
Speaker 1: many great players that played this game in the NBA.
Speaker 1: It's a great for turning there man. And uh, and
Speaker 1: I take my hair to the OG's who paid the
Speaker 1: way for me. Man, I really do. I all them guys.
Speaker 1: They don't get enough credit. Man, they don't get enough fowers. Man,
Speaker 1: we don't talk about enough. And I'm I just it's
Speaker 1: just sad because every year feel like we losing we
Speaker 1: losing some icons in this game. And you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm forty seven now, I just had a birthday last
Speaker 1: week and I'm lisitting here.
Speaker 2: I just I just gotta take my house to these guys. Man.
Speaker 2: I want I think all the oldies that paid away
Speaker 2: from me.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm truly blessed to being the positions I'm man,
Speaker 1: I don't take none of this for granted. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like, you know, me trying to go sit into
Speaker 1: a newsroom and try to tell them how to create
Speaker 1: a story or write.
Speaker 2: A narrative or bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll watched the game, but I can't craft it
Speaker 1: like you could. And so, like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: discredit anybody because I don't think I can do see what, Oh, Joe,
Speaker 1: you know you and I have had this conversation. I
Speaker 1: don't feel that I can do your job better than you.
Speaker 1: I just feel I can do my job better than
Speaker 1: you can do your job. Now, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: But that's how I feel I don't think I could
Speaker 1: do my job do your job better than you. I
Speaker 1: just feel I could do my job better than you
Speaker 1: could do your You deduce from that whatever you want, right,
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to discredit you from your job that.
Speaker 1: Whatever the case may be, a cash here ain't nobody
Speaker 1: could be no casth y'all. Ben gave them people. They
Speaker 1: give me a dollar, I give them ten back. They're coming,
Speaker 1: hey all the numbers and hey, I ain't got.
Speaker 2: Time for that.
Speaker 1: I get fust spready, But I understand that people have
Speaker 1: a job to do. And I think it's it's easy
Speaker 1: to say because they won without Jason Tatum, they're not
Speaker 1: winning a championship without Jayson Tatum.
Speaker 2: You think that?
Speaker 1: What do you think the odds are, Oh, Joe, they
Speaker 1: win a championship, They're gonna win the NBA Championship without JT.
Speaker 1: I mean, so, if that's not the case, they're not
Speaker 1: better without it, because the odds are they are a
Speaker 1: better team. They do you think they would have won
Speaker 1: the championship last year without j T? Absolutely not, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: And as matter of fact, since you pose that question too,
Speaker 3: based on you know, and Kevin Durant going going back
Speaker 3: and forth this from just one game on what happens
Speaker 3: if they come back in this series and they get
Speaker 3: it done without Jason Tatum? What happens if they get
Speaker 3: to the Eastern Commerce obviously get to the Eastern Conferce
Speaker 3: finals without Jason Tatum?
Speaker 4: What happened if they do get a chip without Jason Tatum?
Speaker 1: Not?
Speaker 2: What does that say?
Speaker 4: Not possible?
Speaker 3: No, even with the way Jaylen Brown played right, No
Speaker 3: in preaching, Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Listen, I said that same thing, Hotel I saw. I
Speaker 1: was talking from my guys last night about that. I
Speaker 1: was like, I just said, what a hypothetical. You know,
Speaker 1: it ain't many teams in the NBA history ever came
Speaker 1: down came back from a three to one jeposit but
Speaker 1: just hypothetical hypotheticals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a hypothetical.
Speaker 1: Just where he's going with a hypothetical, say, for instance,
Speaker 1: they win tomorrow, Boston won, were they able to get
Speaker 1: able to get back home? Because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, do you know the rope the uh you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I luck the next I do.
Speaker 2: Jaylen Brush is a savage out there that closer.
Speaker 1: But but with that being said, though, the supporting cast
Speaker 1: only had one game in the series so far that
Speaker 1: they all up the score with twenty points one game.
Speaker 1: So like, you know, you don't know what the supporting
Speaker 1: cast gonna do. You know, Jayon Brust is they head
Speaker 1: a snake over there. And you know a lot of
Speaker 1: these teams are one injury away from not doing anything.
Speaker 2: Am I right? Okay? So, but Boston is one team
Speaker 2: that has listen. They they have they have enough to
Speaker 2: still do it.
Speaker 1: And I'm saying if everybody show up though, if in
Speaker 1: other words, Kate show, if I takes if I takeos
Speaker 1: reasoning and I listened to you with if so, if
Speaker 1: the Golden State Warriors had won that series, that means
Speaker 1: they're better without Steph Curry.
Speaker 4: No ship, that's different.
Speaker 1: Remove the best player off the team, just hold on.
Speaker 3: Just the supporting cast, uh in Golden State is not
Speaker 3: even close to what they have.
Speaker 1: And about Jimmy Butler, play out, Jimmy, you don't we
Speaker 1: play out Jimmy.
Speaker 2: He's taking too He's taking the team two teams to the.
Speaker 1: NBA five and he hadn't had I'm just saying, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just throwing about that. We just haven't health
Speaker 1: the conversation now since we're doing what ips Yeah, but no,
Speaker 1: but they're done now, so they're done. But but go
Speaker 1: look at the roster though, so go go go Boston
Speaker 1: starting goes go roster right now, top seven players there,
Speaker 1: so five's top five now because take them is out now, so.
Speaker 2: They're their their current roster right now.
Speaker 1: Look at their lineup, though, tell me what you think
Speaker 1: about their line compared to Air Boss line up. If
Speaker 1: they're doing what they're supposed to do without Jason Tatum,
Speaker 1: their their best six players aren't better than the mixed
Speaker 1: best six players.
Speaker 2: You don't think so? Hell know? With Bronson, Cat Bridges, Heart,
Speaker 2: who's the other guy? Oh G I love New York.
Speaker 2: I love them. And then you got and you got Mitchell,
Speaker 2: Robinson and McBride.
Speaker 1: So I take the If I take the Knicks seven
Speaker 1: best players minus Tatum, and so the Knicks seven best players,
Speaker 1: and you to give me the Celtics seven best players
Speaker 1: minus Tatum, I'll take the Knicks. Okay, I'm gonna see
Speaker 1: I mean, kp ain't showed up yet in this playoffs yet.
Speaker 1: He ain't gonna show up, so let's stop looking for him.
Speaker 1: He's seventy three of invisible. So see, I'm just a
Speaker 1: firm believer out of I this saw these guys have all.
Speaker 1: You got all, you got two, you got two guys, Well,
Speaker 1: you got three All star pedigree guys on Boston Celtics
Speaker 1: step that they're either a former All Star or not.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You only only current All
Speaker 1: Star on the team is Jaylen Brunton right now. But
Speaker 1: but Derek White could have easily been as what about
Speaker 1: what about Cat hold hold on? Cat Cat was also
Speaker 1: but they got too, That's what I'm saying. New York
Speaker 1: got two. Yeah, Boston, Boston, they got two current, But
Speaker 1: Boston has one current and two former Jue Holiday yes
Speaker 1: and uh for thinking so what that being said? But
Speaker 1: then uh uh, Deck White could have easily been one
Speaker 1: this year. I'm saying, yeah, that was our hold for
Speaker 1: the All Star too. They'll make it one time. He
Speaker 1: has been an All Star. Yeah, he's been All Star
Speaker 1: so the older but also as pedigry does play and
Speaker 1: have some leverage and god what hell uh uh uh
Speaker 1: Metrix Hell, I was a twelfth grader. Long time for him.
Speaker 1: I was a former twelfth grader. Oh Joe, it ain't
Speaker 1: over over. Yeah, over tis over. Remember this is all hypothetical,
Speaker 1: but anything is possible.
Speaker 2: It ain't over. We know that, so we do that
Speaker 2: a lot though we oh Joe, we do that a lot.
Speaker 1: We see a guy, uh and football go down with
Speaker 1: their better team without him.
Speaker 2: No they not, no, no, hell, they died right somebody.
Speaker 1: The fact they want to game one time where they
Speaker 1: want to game without Chase, well that means they're better team.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're talking.
Speaker 1: You talked about how Jason Tatum is about to make
Speaker 1: his fourth consecutive All NBA teams deserve you You mean
Speaker 1: to tell me a team is better without an all
Speaker 1: our first team All NBA selection?
Speaker 3: You know, you know it makes you question it though
Speaker 3: UNC and Sean, you look at the way they played
Speaker 3: without him in that one game. It makes it raises
Speaker 3: the question and the possibility of the MAXI being better
Speaker 3: without them because they need.
Speaker 1: What happens, oh yo, what happens when the original teacher
Speaker 1: is not when you get a substitute, Well, it's not
Speaker 1: the same, So now you do things differently. I believe
Speaker 1: the Nicks let the Knicks let their guard down. The
Speaker 1: Knigs like, well they ain't got j T. They ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be ready to play, and they underestimated them. I
Speaker 1: bet they don't make that same mistake. I bet they
Speaker 1: don't make that mistake in the MSG.
Speaker 2: We're gonna see well Hope not. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But you know, listen, man, when you when you are here, man,
Speaker 1: we can't One of the things I learned a long
Speaker 1: time ago. You know this, The one thing you can
Speaker 1: control is what your effort. You can't control, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: ball going to Hope not, so you listen. You can
Speaker 1: control you can only going in the hoop. So like, heymen,
Speaker 1: listen man, people feeling that pressure and listen that I
Speaker 1: know Garden's gonna be rocking them all. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Oh see, I kind of what I was
Speaker 1: in that. I ain't never been to a playoff game
Speaker 1: in uh in New York.
Speaker 2: I would love to be.
Speaker 1: There, but I got did uh did acho did not
Speaker 1: see the three games they lost with Jason Tatum, so
Speaker 1: you better without him.
Speaker 2: But you lost three games with it, but they were
Speaker 2: he had forty two. They up.
Speaker 1: We're not even witt Listen, they're not winning. They're not
Speaker 1: what they are without Jason Tables. He's one of the
Speaker 1: best players in the NBA by far easily. That's not
Speaker 1: a question. It's hard you could let's just say he's
Speaker 1: a top ten player. How's the team better without a
Speaker 1: top ten player? Okay, you go in the gate. See,
Speaker 1: and that faked the thing. Sometimes. What happened Matrix and
Speaker 1: Ojoe is that a team will win a game or
Speaker 1: two without their best player, and people starting to believe, well, hey,
Speaker 1: we can get rid of him if we can get
Speaker 1: something back.
Speaker 2: No you can. Ain't. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: No, no, we so long. Okay, now, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do with that. I'm gonna tell you something now.
Speaker 1: So like, put this way, if Jaylen so Jylen Brown
Speaker 1: was out and Jason Tatan was playing right now and
Speaker 1: they did the same thing, would you would you still
Speaker 1: saying the same thing. No, because I think they need
Speaker 1: both of them. Because when they when Kevin Durant became available,
Speaker 1: they offered Jalen Brown and Jerrick white Is some draft
Speaker 1: picks for Kevin Durant. They didn't offer Jason Tatum. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean, listen, kat my guy, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But like I'm just saying because right now,
Speaker 1: Jylen Brown took over the role that Tatum does, did
Speaker 1: he not in his last Yes? So, so he became
Speaker 1: the main, main facilitator and did a great job at it.
Speaker 1: He never get it, so yes, so he was dudo. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, did you see the way he's been playing
Speaker 1: this so look, So Tatum last year was dedicated to
Speaker 1: point guard, per se, That's what they said. Last year
Speaker 1: they let him meet the main ball handler. So when
Speaker 1: you watch them play, they go a lot of times
Speaker 1: they go tip for Tag, they go, they will come
Speaker 1: down and shoot.
Speaker 2: The Brown come down in the shoot at times. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Yes, that's all.
Speaker 1: But now you don't have to go tip for Tag.
Speaker 1: Now you got you got him designated that spot right now. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you there, it ain't over tes overweight.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they can listen. I listen.
Speaker 2: I would love to see New York's go do all
Speaker 2: the way I wanted to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to go see I actually seven, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, you know, hey, it's been some great basketball,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So, but at the end of anything is possible. I
Speaker 2: don't put nothing. It's like I said, it's all hypothetical though.
Speaker 1: Remember we're just talking about but it's hard to come
Speaker 1: back from a three to one deficit though. But the
Speaker 1: first two games, though, honestly they could have easily won
Speaker 1: though they fucked them ships off.
Speaker 2: They did. They fucked them ships off.
Speaker 1: So we sit here and we keep acting like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying Boston is one of the things
Speaker 1: that Boston had and the recent was able to prevail
Speaker 1: last year that most people don't.
Speaker 2: They have seven three and D guys.
Speaker 1: They got one one down with the injury last game,
Speaker 1: they still got those six three and the guys.
Speaker 2: A lot of teams don't have three in D guys.
Speaker 2: They did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got everybody that's starting to switch everything now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying though, So like it's it's
Speaker 1: it's not over, tis over, and you just don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe kath three is due for a big game tomorrow.
Speaker 1: The volume