1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: All Right, the third hour of Play and Buck kicks off. 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 3: Now. 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: We are joined by Harvard Law professor emeritus and best 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: selling author Alan Dershowitz. He's got a new book out 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: released just yesterday, The Preventive State, The Challenge of preventing 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 2: serious harms while preserving essential liberties. Go get your copy, 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: read it on the beach. You'll impress everybody who sees 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: you with how smart you are. Professor Dershowitz. Good to 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: have you on. 12 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 3: Hey, it's great to be on. It's a very topical 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 3: book because it deals with all the preventive mechanisms that 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 3: we use to try to stop crying from occurring, like deportation. Also, 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 3: Meg Ye. 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: I was gonna jump right into that. I mean, tell 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: us about tell us about the deportation piece, and how 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: you think the administration is doing on the legal front there. 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: Well, you know, deport is one of the oldest forms 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 3: of prevention known to humankind. That used to be called exile. 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: If we were afraid of somebody, we would exile them 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,919 Speaker 3: and make them leave the country. And so we're using 23 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 3: that now as a mechanism of prevention, and I would 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: say that I would give a split verdict to the administration. 25 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 3: They're doing the right things substively, that is, they're trying 26 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 3: to throw the right people out. They're trying to make 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 3: sure that we're not subject to crime by gang members. 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 3: On the other hand, they're not doing such a great 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 3: job on due process. And the Supreme Court has basically 30 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: come down with split decisions. They basically said, look, the 31 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: president has the authority to decide who's in the country 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: and who's not in the country, but he has to 33 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: cross every constitutional t and dot every constitutional ie. And 34 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: so the courts have struck back on some of the 35 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: mechanisms that are being used, but they said it's okay 36 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 3: to use deportation as a method of crime prevention. 37 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: Talking to Alan Derschwitz, you and I have tried a 38 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: similar path where I voted Democrat and then Democrats I 39 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: started to see losing their mind, and I have changed 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: how I voted. I'm curious for you. You're You've had 41 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: a longer career in the law than I have by 42 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: by far, and a much more successful one. But I'm 43 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: also a lawyer. When did in your mind it go 44 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: from a quote unquote traditionally liberal perspective to stand, for instance, 45 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: for First Amendment, free speech, for basic principles of fairness, 46 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: and turn into more of a conservative one. Do you 47 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: remember a point in time when you looked around and said, boy, 48 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: the ACLU isn't the ACLU that I grew up supporting. 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 3: Well supporting. I was on the national board. I was 50 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: the youngest person on the national voard of the ACOU. 51 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 3: I spent years supporting the a CEO you. I worked 52 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 3: with the ACO you to defend the rights of Nazis 53 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: to march in Skokie, Illinois. I defended people on de 54 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: I throw as an ACO you lawyer. I won't give 55 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: a nickel to the ACO you. And I call the 56 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 3: ACO YOU the Anti Civil Liberties Union. They have become 57 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: completely partisan in political Once every two years they represent 58 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: a Nazi in order to show that they're still civil libertarians. 59 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: But the vast, vast majority of their work is on progressive, woke, 60 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: left wing causes. And you know, they've become kind of 61 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 3: a leader in the weaponization of the legal system against 62 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: Donald Trump, against Republicans, against Conservatives, against Christians, And so 63 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: I'm totally contemptuous. You know it's interesting. I've devoted my 64 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: whole life to human rights, civil liberties, and civil rights. 65 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: I now see something that s marks civil liberty, civil rights, 66 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: human rights, I throw in the garbage pail because I 67 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: know it's going to be on the wrong side of everything. Today. 68 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: Human rights has just turned against Israel, against the United States, 69 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: against Christianity, against decency, and so I have no support 70 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: for those concepts anymore. They've been hijacked, they've been taken away. 71 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: And I'm still a civil limitarian. And you know, I 72 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: described myself as a constitutional libertarian, but as well as 73 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 3: a meritocratic egalitarian and a constructive contrarian. So I haven't changed. 74 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: But like Ronald Reagan said, the Democrats have left me. 75 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: I left the Democratic Party hours after the Democratic Convention 76 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 3: this year when I saw that they were picking one 77 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 3: after the other progressive, anti liberal speakers, anti israel speakers, 78 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 3: sometimes anti Semitic speakers, and the Republicans were doing a 79 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 3: better job and preserving liberty and democracy and freedom of speech. 80 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: I'm not a Republican. I'm an independent, but I'm not 81 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 3: a Democrat. 82 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: How'd you vote? 83 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: I can't say, because I you know, I love sleeping 84 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 3: with my wife, and you know she has made me 85 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: sworn me to secrecy. I can tell you this. I 86 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 3: voted for Biden and I for Hillary Clinton. But I'm 87 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: not going to disclose how I voted in the last 88 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: in the last election, and. 89 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 4: Or how I would vote. 90 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: In the next election. But I have been supportive of 91 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 3: many of the things that Trump has done, just as 92 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: I was supportive of many of the things that previous 93 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: presidents have done well at the same time being critical 94 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: of many of the things. And deportation is one of 95 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 3: the things I'm concerned about. I'm also concerned that that 96 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: Donald Trump may abandoned Israel. That's been a concern for me. 97 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: And is he going to allow Israel to protect itself 98 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: against the potentional nuclear Iran? I don't know the answer 99 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 3: to that question. In my book, To Prevent a State, 100 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: I spend a lot of time on the Iran issue 101 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: because that's the personification of preventive attack. I used the 102 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: example of Nazi Germany in nineteen thirty five, when Britain 103 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 3: and France could have destroyed Nazi Germany before it was 104 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 3: capable of destroying all of Europe and killing fifty million people, 105 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: and they didn't do it because they didn't take it 106 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: was seriously and you know, peace in our time, Chamberlain, 107 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: and that enabled Hitler to kill fifty million people. Had 108 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 3: they attacked, they would have you know, killed fifteen fifteen 109 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 3: thousand people with twenty thousand people, and they would have 110 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: defeated Nazi Germany. But you know they were. History is 111 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: blind to the future, and we just don't know at 112 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: that time. We didn't know what we were stopping. And 113 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: so I spend time in my book on that as well. 114 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: The preventive state, the challenge of preventing serious harms while 115 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: preserving essential liberties. Professor Dershweriz's book just came out yesterday, 116 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: And Professor Derschwitz, if I could draw upon your time 117 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: as a criminal defense attorney, I know you're not on 118 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: this case, that would be interesting. You're not on this case, 119 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: but I'm sure you've been following it and seeing in 120 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: the headlines. What is your just overall sense as to 121 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: the likely outcome to the degree you can see it 122 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: this early on in the case, or perhaps the pitfalls 123 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: for either the defense or the prosecution. In the Sean 124 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: Combs aka puff Daddy aka p Diddy Sex trafficking case 125 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: that's getting a lot of attention to headlines given how 126 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: high profile mister Combs is. 127 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 3: If I had to make a prediction, I would predicted 128 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 3: he'd get convicted, and that his conviction would have reversed 129 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: on appeal. I don't understand how a jury should be 130 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: able to see that horrible video of him kicking and 131 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: beating up his girlfriend in the whole way of the hotel. 132 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: That's not what he's charged with. He's charged with running, 133 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: you know, a Rico enterprise, and that tape is so 134 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: done prejudice you can't get it out of your head. 135 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: As soon as you see that tape and say to yourself, 136 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,559 Speaker 3: I want to convict the son of a bitch. And 137 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 3: so I think it will be reversed on appeal. But 138 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,119 Speaker 3: it's very hard to believe that a jury won't find 139 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: his conduct. 140 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: But why do you think Professor Drisch would selina it 141 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: so clearly you're I mean, the guy's a mind. The 142 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: guy's a bad guy. I mean everyone, there's no right 143 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: he's not on trial for being a good guy or 144 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: a bad guy. He's a bad guy. That's very clear. 145 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: And I think even the defense isn't really contesting that. 146 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: But as a matter of law, why would you how 147 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: would you see it? Perhaps, and again I know you're 148 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: we're asking you to sort of see into the future, 149 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 2: which is tough, But how would you see it being overturned? 150 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: If let's say the jury does what you think, why 151 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: would you think then that it might be overturned on. 152 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 3: Appeal for the same reason that the Harvey Weinstein New 153 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: York conviction was overturned, And that is the admissibility of 154 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: prejudicial material that swayed the jury to convict even though 155 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: the element of the crime and the elements of RICO 156 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 3: are very tough to establish, and the elements of you know, 157 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: conducting sex trafficking business. So that would be the grounds 158 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 3: for reversal that evidence came in that should never have 159 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: been seen by the jury. 160 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: All right, let me go back to your experience, and 161 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: you're staying committed to principal aclu and everything else we 162 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: talked earlier on this program. As suddenly, Jake Tapper writes 163 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: a book and says, boy, we could have never known 164 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden wasn't mentally or physically competent for the job. 165 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: And the New York Times and the Washington Post write 166 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: editorial saying, boy, you know, somebody really should have said 167 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: something about the state that Biden was in, and you know, 168 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: the media ostensibly does exist to speak truth to power. 169 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: They wrote democracy dies in darkness at the top of 170 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: the Washington Post. You are steeped in liberal circles, where 171 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: you hang out, where you live. What are people who 172 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: read The New York Times and watch MSNBC. What are 173 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: they saying in conversations that you hear. Do they feel 174 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: as if they have been lied to? Or are they 175 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: so convinced that Trump is hitler that they don't even 176 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: care if they're being lied to because it's a price 177 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: worth paying. What do you hear? 178 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 3: It's the latter. In private, they're praising people who lied, 179 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 3: and they wish the lie had been successful and that 180 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: bike would have been allowed to run, because many of 181 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: them think that Biden would have snuck past the finish 182 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: line because he's more likable than Kamila Harris. I don't 183 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: know whether that's true or not. I'm not a polster, 184 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 3: but I can only tell you that people on the 185 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: MS on that side, the New York Times, CNM, MSNBC side, 186 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 3: they don't care about lying. They would have been very 187 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: happy if they have been a complete, in total and 188 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: successful cover up in order to defeat Trump, and then 189 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 3: Biden would be president for a couple of months, and 190 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 3: then he'd have to office, either through the twenty fifth 191 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: Amendment or by resignation, and then we'd have keml Arris's president. 192 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: That's what the Martha's Vineyard crowd is objecting to, not 193 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: that they were denied the truth, but that they didn't 194 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: do a good enough job in covering up the truth. 195 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this too, given that I think 196 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: anybody who's the rational, reasonable person would acknowledge that Biden 197 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: was not mentally or physically capable of being president in 198 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: the United States, do you, as a warrior, believe there 199 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: is any value in challenging some of the decisions made 200 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: by Biden, for instance, this big pardon expansive pardons that 201 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: he gave at the end of his tenure based on 202 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: his mind not being capable of entering into the decisions 203 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: that were being made. Is there any legal ground there 204 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: in your mind to challenge these things. 205 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: I don't think so, because then you'd have to challenge 206 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 3: probably some of the things at the end of the 207 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 3: Reagan of presidency maybe the Roosevelt presidency, certainly the Widregal 208 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 3: Wilson presidency. You know, there if in fact Biden didn't 209 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 3: know that things were being signed for him by the 210 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 3: use of the auto pen, that might pose an interesting challenge. 211 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: It would have to be something that was constitutionally required 212 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: to be signed, like a law. Pardons, for example, don't 213 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 3: have to be signed. You can just give an oral pardon. 214 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: But for a law to be valid, it has to 215 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 3: be the sign of vetoed by the president. And if 216 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 3: it could be demonstrated that Biden didn't really know and 217 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 3: that he was he had authorized somebody else to do 218 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: the signing, that could raise could raise problems. You know, 219 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: in some respects all of this goes back to prevention, 220 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 3: because what is the twenty fifth Amendment all about. It's 221 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: all about trying to prevent a non qualified president from 222 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: having access to the nuclear trigger. And you know, we 223 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: we do so many things preventively in order to assure 224 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 3: that greater dangers don't exist, and we have to make 225 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: sure that when we do it, we do it according 226 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: to due process. And that's the crisis we're in now. 227 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 3: We're not in a constitutional crisis. We're in a political 228 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 3: crisis and a constitutional conflict, and the Constitution is so 229 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: far figured out ways of getting resolving these issues, and 230 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: so I'm not worried as long as President Trump says 231 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 3: and really does not in any way violate a Supreme 232 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: Court order and we're not in a crisis. 233 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: Last question for you quickly here because we've got to 234 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: get to a break. But you talked about your experience 235 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: with Trump and being of the opinion that he's better 236 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: on Israel issues than certainly Democrats have been based on 237 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: the platform they put forward in the DNC two parter. 238 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: Do you hear a lot of Jewish people out there 239 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: acknowledging that Trump has been very good on Israel? And 240 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: the second part of that, do people say, Hey, you 241 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: can criticize him for a lot, but the idea that 242 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: he's Hitler is absolutely insane. I'm talking Jewish voters in particular. 243 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: No, I wish they were more sensible Jewish voters, but 244 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: there are a lot of Jewish voters who don't believe 245 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: he's supportive of Israel. Can't find you know, these are 246 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 3: people who are afflicted with Trump derangement syndrome. Some of 247 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: them also have BB derangement syndrome. And you know, neither 248 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: not who. No Trump can do anything right, and so 249 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: if he's supportive of Israel, it must be for in 250 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 3: an effort to get a plane from Qatar. If he's 251 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: against people on campus who are anti Semits or anti Israel, 252 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: has nothing to do with anti Semitism. It has to 253 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: do that he doesn't like universities unless you are in 254 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: some of these radical, progressive, woke left wing circles. It 255 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: is impossible to understand the depths. I mean, they think 256 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 3: it's an insult to Hitler, say that Trump Hitler. They 257 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 3: think he's worse. I mean, these people just have no 258 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: limit to what And by the way, I know people 259 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 3: in Israel have the same attitude to nat. They cannot 260 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 3: be rational about those subjects. And it's too bad because 261 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 3: you know, in both cases not to know and Trump 262 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 3: have done many good things, and I've done some things 263 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: that are subject to criticism, and people should have a 264 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 3: nuanced view, but they don't. 265 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz appreciate the time, sir book is out. The 266 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: preventative state, the challenge of preventing serious harms while preserving 267 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: essential liberties. We appreciate the time. 268 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 3: Sir, thank you so much. Be well. 269 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: If you live in a house, you know it already. 270 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: Your roof can collect a lot of rain. 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I 297 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: went back to visit multiple times before Chavez. Not safe 298 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: now Buck, where you are huge numbers of Venezuelans who, 299 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: by the way, have flipped partly many other people there 300 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: as well, but Miami Dade has flipped to a Republican 301 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: majority district now, which is a big deal. That's why 302 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: many of them were such strong supporters of Trump, because 303 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: they had seen what socialism did to a country they loved, 304 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: and they don't want to see it happen again. 305 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: I love my South Florida Cubans and Venezuelans are they 306 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 2: bleed red, white and blue. My friends. 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We are joined 335 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: now by a woman who had to go all the 336 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: way to the Supreme Court to be able to speak 337 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: and vote in the main legislature. She is Laurel Libby. 338 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: And for those of you who don't know, I want 339 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: to give a quick background and you can correct me 340 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong on any of this. Laurel, and thanks 341 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: for coming on with us. You spoke out against men 342 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: being able to win women's championships in Maine, something that 343 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: I would imagine the vast, vast majority of people in Maine, 344 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: certainly almost everyone listening to to us in Maine right 345 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: now would agree with, but the vast majority of people 346 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: in general. You were then censored because you refuse to 347 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: apologize for this. They would not allow you to vote 348 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: to represent your constituents in Maine. You went to the 349 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: Supreme Court and the Supreme Court yesterday and a seven 350 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: to two ruling said, the main legislature has to allow 351 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: you to do your job on behalf of your constituents. 352 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: Have I got that right? Can you believe that all 353 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: this has actually happened? 354 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 4: That is a very concise yet accurate summary, I would 355 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 4: have to say, And no, it is kind of It's 356 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 4: pretty unbelievable when when you say it like that, remarkable 357 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 4: that a majority party would try to silence a member 358 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 4: of the minority party and take my constituents vote away. 359 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 4: It's astounding the defenders of democracy at work. 360 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: What exactly is there? And Laurel, appreciate you being with 361 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: us and thank you for doing what you've been doing 362 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: standing for what is I think obvious obvious truth in 363 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: this matter. But just so I'm clear on this, Clay's 364 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: been following this story very closely. What is their rationale 365 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: for silencing you? Like what you know? I understand you've 366 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: gone against the narrative, but officially speaking, on what grounds 367 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: are they doing this? 368 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 4: Well, they don't really have good grounds to do this. 369 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 4: First of all, I even't broken the law. I didn't 370 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 4: do anything even against our rules, which they're claiming that 371 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 4: I did. What I did was from the privacy of 372 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 4: my own home. I made a Facebook post and stood 373 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 4: side by side of a biological male participating in the 374 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 4: pole vault winning fifth place at a regional meet last year, 375 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 4: and then nag the girls state championship this year. And 376 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 4: you know, they say a picture speaks a thousand words, 377 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 4: and this did. And so the excuse that they came 378 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 4: up with was that this was a photo of a minor. 379 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 4: And I'll just remind folks that when you win a 380 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 4: state championship, you have to expect your photo is going 381 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 4: to be out there. And indeed, these were publicly shared 382 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 4: photos that were public before I shared them. But that's 383 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 4: the grounds that the Democrats are trying to stretch to 384 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 4: to say that this was should not have been posted, 385 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 4: and we use that to make their unconstitutional censer and 386 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 4: say that I'm not allowed to represent my constituents. 387 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: So you're still not allowed to speak on the floor 388 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: of the state House. Is this true? In other words, 389 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: while you're allowed to vote, you aren't allowed to make 390 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: arguments about how you were voting. 391 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 4: That is entirely accurate and it's just as ludicrous as 392 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 4: it sounds. So I will be allowed to vote now, 393 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 4: but I will not be allowed to speak as the 394 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 4: case makes its way through the courts. Of course, being 395 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,239 Speaker 4: able to vote on behalf of my constituents that is 396 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 4: the most important piece, and that's how my constituents had 397 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 4: been disenfranchised with not having a vote on the legislation. 398 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 4: And so that's what we requested from the Supreme Court 399 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 4: in our emergency application, was to have the ability to 400 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 4: vote on behalf of my constituents. And on June fifth, 401 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 4: will be heard in the First Circuit Court of Appeals 402 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 4: regarding the full case, and that includes getting my voice back. 403 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: Okay, So this is just bonkers to me that this 404 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: could become an issue in any state. But if it 405 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: became an issue, let's say in Illinois, or in Vermont, 406 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: or in California, states that are overwhelmingly Democrat, that might 407 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: make a little bit more sense. But Trump won one 408 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: of the congressional districts in your state. The state was 409 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: decided by seven points overall. What percentage of main residents 410 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: do you think agree with the argument that you are making. 411 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: What do you hear when you go out and about 412 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: in the state. 413 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 4: Well, when I talk to folks, it's clear that the 414 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 4: polling that demonstrates two thirds of manors don't believe that 415 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 4: biological mail should be participating in girls sports is extremely accurate. 416 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 4: But I have to tell you, you know, the numbers are 417 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 4: even more startling than you may realize. Of course, the 418 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 4: breakdown by congressional district is impressive, but when you get 419 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 4: to actually how much the Democrats won the House majority 420 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 4: by in our state of one point three million people, 421 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 4: they only won the majority by sixty votes across the 422 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 4: entire state. So they're ruling with an iron fist here 423 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 4: and making these unconstitutional moves when they only hold the 424 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 4: majority by. 425 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 3: Sixty votes. 426 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 2: Do you think, Laurel, there's going to be any political 427 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 2: blowback on the Democrats? You know, I don't mean news 428 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: cycle blowback, right, I mean you know the next election cycle. 429 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: Is this the kind of thing that by the way, 430 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: Maynors is. 431 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 4: That right, Maynors? 432 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: You got it? 433 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: Mayners just making sure Maynors they see and they realize, Wow, 434 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: the Democrats in our state have lost their minds. You know, 435 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 2: what's your sense of that? 436 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? 437 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 4: You know, as I talk with folks, it does seem 438 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 4: apparent to everyone but Augusta Democrats that they have lost 439 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 4: their minds. And I say Augusta Democrats because this goes 440 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 4: across party lines. There are plenty of Democrats out and 441 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 4: about in Maine who think it's insanity to allow biological 442 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 4: males to compete in girls' sports. And they also think 443 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 4: it's insanity to unconstitutionally bar a sitting legislator from voting 444 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 4: on behalf of her district. So the folks who are 445 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 4: in power in Augusta are way out on a limb here. 446 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 4: It is not a representative of your average manor that 447 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 4: doesn't agree with them. 448 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: So obviously you have coming up in May next year 449 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: a big Senate race. Susan Collins, Republican, is going to 450 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: be up for reelection. I believe I'm correct in this. 451 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: You can correct me if I'm wrong. And that is 452 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: massive because Republicans have a fifty three to forty seven 453 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: and Susan Collins one of the rare members of the 454 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: Senate who is representing a state that voted differently in 455 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: the presidential race. In other words, cross party. Am I 456 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: crazy or does this have to be a fairly significant 457 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: issue statewide? In that race based on what the Democrats 458 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: in the legislature have done to you. 459 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 4: I certainly hope this has significant influence in the twenty 460 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 4: twenty sixth election. Of course, we do have Senator Collins reelection. 461 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 4: She is the last Republican Senator in New England, which 462 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 4: is pretty remarkable. In addition, we also have a gubernatorial race. 463 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 4: We have of course the congressional CD one and CD two, 464 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 4: and we also have the full legislature every two years, 465 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,239 Speaker 4: House and Senate up for a vote. And so you know, 466 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 4: I hope that this does come back to bite the 467 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 4: Democrats next year, and I certainly will be working very 468 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 4: hard to ensure that it does. 469 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: Laurel appreciates you standing strong on this issue, and as 470 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 2: you continue to do just that, we'll have you back 471 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: on the show. Make sure everybody knows about you're doing 472 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 2: up in Maine. Beautiful along the coast. I hear maners 473 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: have some great stuff up there. 474 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 4: Stand scoregeous throughout. 475 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: All right, wonderful, Thank you so much, thank you. All 476 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 2: righty Clay, I'm gonna talk everybody about Birch Gold here 477 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 2: for a second. Let's do it. Look, I've been a 478 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 2: Gold guy for a long time. I'm a believer in 479 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 2: gold and about it well over a decade ago. Now 480 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 2: is when I purchased my first gold. It's gold coins, 481 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 2: and they've gone up more than one hundred and sixty 482 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 2: percent in value. Today it's even easier to purchase gold. 483 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 2: There are many more ways to do it because you're 484 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: IRA or four oh one K even your savings account. 485 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 2: It's important as ever to do this given external factors 486 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 2: beyond our control and the systemic realities of our debt 487 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: and how we're gonna have financial issues as a country 488 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: in the future, and you just want to be prepared 489 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: for it. You want to diversify, you want to take 490 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 2: action now. One of the best ways to protect your 491 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: savings is through that diversification I talked about with gold 492 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: from the Birch Gold Group. The past twelve months, I 493 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: want you to know some of these numbers. Okay, the 494 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 2: past twelve months, the value of gold has increased by 495 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 2: forty percent. Now you're not like getting in and out 496 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: of gold, right, You're not, Oh wait, what about the 497 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: gold earnings report or no, no, no, You just buy gold 498 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: and you have it and it's gone to forty percent 499 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: last twelve months. Central banks continue to buy gold and 500 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: record quantities. 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My name Buck to ninety eight ninety eight 511 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: ninety eight. That's Buck Buck. Text Buck to ninety eight 512 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: ninety eight ninety eight, or go online to Birch Gold 513 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: dot com, slash Buck, Birch Gold dot com slash Buck. 514 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all 515 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. We were rolling through 516 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: the Wednesday edition of the program. A variety of different 517 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: big news stories out there, and we have had a 518 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: heck of a time breaking them all down for you. 519 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: Oh fair. We've shared on the social clip. I've tried 520 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: to be nice, but it's rare for me to be 521 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: the super nice guy here talking about Katie Kirk interviewing 522 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: Jake Tapper. Neither of us had any idea that Katie 523 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: Kirk was still doing media, and I said, I used 524 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: to have a little bit of a crush on her, 525 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: and Buck just out of nowhere calls her in New 526 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: York six and now it is ricocheting throughout the internet interwebs. 527 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 2: It's above average. That's above average. I think that's pretty nice. 528 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: Above average. I'm getting more right swipes than left swipes 529 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: on Tinder. We've got a couple of clips here. Well, 530 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: let's see, let's get one call in. Uh, well, yeah, 531 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: let's yeah, Simon, he's gone, all right, Well Simon and 532 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: Alabama had a question I'm reading. I think it's an 533 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: interesting one. He wanted to talk about habeas corpus, and 534 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: maybe we'll talk about that some tomorrow. I this is 535 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: a super nerd thing that I did, Buck. I researched 536 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln's habeas corpus decision. Will put a pin in 537 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: this and this will be the nerdiest thing that you 538 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: have ever heard on radio. I will analyze Abraham Lincoln's 539 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: habeas corpus decision. But hey, go ahead and put this 540 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: one on the on the horizon, make sure you don't miss. 541 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: I will analyze Abraham Lincoln's Habeas Corpus decision and how 542 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: I think the decision that he made could apply as 543 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: it pertains to illegal immigrants in our modern day tomorrow. So, hey, 544 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: you want to talk barnburners one hundred and sixty year 545 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: old legal precedent analysis for me? I as nerds do 546 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: nerded out on this one, and I got a bunch 547 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: of takes, but I wanted to play these before we 548 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: finished the day because we got some good clips out there. 549 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: Right now, this is Chris Cuomo, Chris Cuomo ripping Jake 550 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: Tapper to shreds. Listen to cut thirty one. 551 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 5: The book is titled Original Sin, claiming to detail how 552 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 5: Biden's staffers made efforts to hide his decline from the 553 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 5: public and the media. 554 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: The cover has Biden. 555 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 5: With his hands over his eyes, and it could just 556 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 5: as easily be a picture of the writers of this 557 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 5: book who are pretending they didn't see and hear what 558 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 5: everybody else did. 559 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: And look, I do. 560 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 5: Believe the book is a cover for something, and it's 561 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 5: a cover for something that's much more serious to me 562 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 5: than Biden's age and stage. Everwhere the reality that many 563 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 5: in the media knew damn well that Biden was losing it, 564 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 5: but they played it down because they wanted Trump to 565 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 5: lose more. The original sin is not hiding Biden's age 566 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 5: and stage, but hiding this preference. 567 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: He's totally right, hundred percent right. So bravo to Chris Cuomo. 568 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: Bro Cuomo, whom I think, honestly because CNN hung him 569 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: out to dry, he's just kind of like, you know what, 570 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: go bleep yourself. You know, he doesn't care. 571 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: It is interesting when people get fired and become better 572 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: versions of what they were already doing. Chris Cuomo is 573 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: actually a really good example. I think fired Chris Cuomo 574 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: is and and I mean this, I don't mean that 575 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: as actually like a slide. I think post CNN Chris 576 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 1: Cuomo because he realized that a lot of the Democrats 577 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: they thought where on his team or whatever these people are, 578 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: These people have no ethics they I think that he's 579 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: been both humbled and he's wiser. Now, that's just what 580 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: I sense. I don't know the guy never met him, 581 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: but that's what I sense from him on the air. 582 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people when they don't have 583 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: the big support of corporate media. Maybe let's say somebody 584 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: like Don Lemon, who also was on air at CNN, 585 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: they flounder, they fall apart because they were being raised 586 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: up to their job. 587 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 2: Do you remember how stupid he was? First of all, 588 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: I used to do his show, So I've always known 589 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: that Don Lemon is just he's just not a smart man. 590 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 2: He's just never Yeah. And when I say he's not 591 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 2: a smart man, I mean yeah, maybe he's like cunning 592 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 2: in certain ways, or you know, Matt navigated the media landscape. 593 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 2: This is not a curious man. This is not a 594 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 2: man who ever read books or cared to learn anything 595 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 2: about anything. Do you remember when he sat down with 596 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: Elon Musk, but he was the Elon graciously graciously invited 597 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: him and Tucker to sort of be more active on 598 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: X and and Don Lemon decided to basically trash Elon 599 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 2: to his face to prove his journalistic credentials. And Elon 600 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: was just like, Wow, you are as dumb as Trump 601 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 2: has said all along. Trump was right once again, no doubt. 602 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 2: Uh did we play John Stewart going in? I can't 603 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,959 Speaker 2: remember on did we play that cut we did. Wait, Clay, 604 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: you're gonna like this talkback even better. I want to 605 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 2: get Okay, you want to hold it, you want to 606 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 2: hold out in. 607 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: Your let's do we I'm told we did. We were 608 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: on three hours. We got a ton of audio in 609 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,479 Speaker 1: front of us. We played a ton of audio today. 610 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't remember. I wanted to make sure that we 611 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: did because I wanted to give John Stewart credit. We 612 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: just gave Chris Cuomo credit. I'm gonna give John from 613 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City a lot of credit. Talkback, BB. This is 614 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: a man who knows how to make an argument. 615 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 4: All right, Clay. 616 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 2: Look, Katie Kirk was an absolute guy back in the day. 617 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: Amen said, that's all we got. Not he's just dropping 618 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 2: that there's nothing. 619 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: Well, he's just I mean, I mean, if you're like, 620 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to explain why Michael Jordan 621 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: was great at basketball. Katie Kirk was a dime back 622 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: in the day. You know who else? Jesse Kelly's already weighted. 623 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: He says, you're being way too harsh. By the way, CNN, 624 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: I do want to play this. We're having some fun. 625 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: So let's play another ridiculous clip. We told you exactly 626 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: how Trump in the Oval Office talking to the South 627 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: African president would be covered by the legacy media that 628 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: told you Biden was sharpest attack. Here is CNN saying 629 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: Trump is being it's an ambush and he's sharing debunked 630 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. This is cut thirty two. This is what 631 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: you would have heard on CNN. 632 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 6: Errol Ramaposa brought his best diplomatic self to this meeting, 633 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 6: but nothing could have prepared him for this multimedia ambush 634 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 6: that President Trump laid out with a video with printed 635 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 6: out news stories. This was a laundry list of This 636 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 6: was a laundry list of debunk's conspiracy theories. Some South 637 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 6: Africans are telling me this is afri Forum propaganda. After 638 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 6: Forum is a white African and lobby group that's considered 639 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 6: that a white nationalist organization but a Southern in lost center. 640 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 6: Everything almost everything that President Trump said in the Oval 641 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 6: Office is not true, was inaccurate, has been repeatedly debunked. 642 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 3: I mean. 643 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 2: A joke of an organization, but just put that aside. 644 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 3: Well. 645 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: Also, I mean the videos exist. Right, if there were 646 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:23,479 Speaker 1: prominent white political leaders in the United States calling for 647 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: killing black people and they would be arrested five seconds 648 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,959 Speaker 1: after they left the stage, and it would be talked 649 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: about how we needed to have a national conversation about 650 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: racism in this country for the next decade. I mean, 651 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: they point out, I don't even know where David Duke is. 652 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: That's the only dude I can even find in the 653 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: last thirty years forty years of American politics that has 654 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: in any way been publicly racist and had a prominent job. 655 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 7: They still reference him. This is very common in Africa. 656 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 7: In this country, you can get fired from your job. 657 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 7: We're saying something that's not even racist, but that somebody 658 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 7: he decided that maybe could be construed by someone else 659 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 7: as racist, even if it wasn't your intent. Okay, they 660 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 7: have to search high endlough. 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