1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hi everyone. Before we get into this episode, I want 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,399 Speaker 1: to let you know that the first part discusses details 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: of cancer symptoms and treatment. Please listen with care. 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: She's doing so many lives. She's just broken so many hearts. 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: That's just left me wondering did she ever have any 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: love for any of us? And that hurts like hell. 7 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about 8 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: the people we trust the most and the deceptions that 9 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: change everything. 10 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: It's a tale of Peter Rabbit. And I can see 11 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: you've drawne a picture of Peter Rabbit that is actally. 12 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: That's Angela MacVicar. She's a grandmother in small town Scotland. 13 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: The day we interviewed her, Angela was babysitting her four 14 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: year old granddaughter. 15 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: Listen, Nana's going to ask if you will be quiet 16 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: for a little while longer. Okay, okay'd be very very 17 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: good and you'll make me very very happy. Okay, right 18 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: on you go. 19 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: Angela has lived her whole life in the Scottish countryside. 20 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: What makes Scotland? I think of the people. If a 21 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 2: stranger walks into a bar, they don't leave that bar 22 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: until everybody knows who they are and why they're there. 23 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: She came from a close knit family of all girls. 24 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: When she was growing up in the seventies, I. 25 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 3: Did actually want to be a midwife, but then I 26 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: feel pregnant and had my first daughter, Joanna, when I 27 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: was seventeen, so that can of put a hold on anything, 28 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: and at that point I was thrown into growing up 29 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: very quickly. 30 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: Joanna was named for Angela's father, John, and just like 31 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: her mom, she would be one of four girls. 32 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: Which was hardgoing being a young mum and having four children. 33 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: There was rarely a quiet moment. 34 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: We always had a busy house with four girls that 35 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: were always bringing friends home. 36 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: Out of all of her girls, Joanna was the most driven. 37 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: You never had to tell her to study. She would 38 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: come home and go straight to her room do her homework. 39 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: And she was a talented Highland dancer, which is a 40 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: traditional Gaelic folk dance. On weekends, Joanna competed in dance 41 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: contests across the country. But something changed when Joanna was sixteen. 42 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: Joanna started to get really tired, and I put it 43 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: down to her studying so hard for her exams, and 44 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: then she started getting little lumps and bruises she would 45 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: come and say, Mom, look at this. And then one 46 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: time in particular, she couldn't get her shoe on, and 47 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: she said, look at my foot, and on the bridge 48 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: of her foot there was a lump and it looked 49 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: like an egg. It was really quite a significant lump. 50 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: Angela wasn't the type to call the doctor over every 51 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: scrip or sniffle, but this time she was genuinely alarmed. 52 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: When the first doctor dismissed it as a bug bite, 53 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: she found another doctor and then another. 54 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 2: I knew in the back of my mind it wasn't right. 55 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: There was something going on. 56 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: One day, Joanna came home from school with a large, 57 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: dark purple bruise. It covered her whole lower leg. 58 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: Then it hadn't been there in the morning when she left, 59 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: and at that point leukemia hit me between the eyes. 60 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: I knew that bruising was a symptom. So we went 61 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: to the hospital the following day and they said, well, 62 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: we need to do a bone marrow asspirit, but they 63 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: told me that it was just to confirm what they 64 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 2: already knew, and I just I kept having to leave 65 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: her room. 66 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 4: I kept having to make up excuses because I could 67 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 4: feel myself getting panicked and upset, and I didn't want 68 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 4: her to feel that or see it. 69 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: It was a day that changed their lives forever. At sixteen, 70 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: Joanna was diagnosed with cancer. 71 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: Just by looking through a microscope, we could tell that 72 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: she had chronic Malloyd leukemia. 73 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: Today, there are a variety of treatments for chronic Mylloyd leukemia, 74 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: but thirty years ago there were very limited options. Joanna's 75 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: doctors were scrambling to find answers. 76 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: The doctors would say, I don't know how she's functioning. 77 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: I don't know how she can walk. 78 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: A nurse had seen Angela pacing the hallways all day. 79 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: She pulled her aside and gave her some stern advice. 80 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: Angela was going to have to be her daughter's advocate. 81 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 2: She wasn't given me tea and sympathy. She was giving 82 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: me sound advice. And she was being a bit of 83 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: a badass with me and just telling me without saying 84 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: the words, pull yourself together. You're going to have to 85 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: do this. 86 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: So Angela tried to channel her fear into action. She 87 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: was willing to go anywhere in the world do anything 88 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: necessary to get Joanna's treatment. Next, she found a specialist. 89 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: He then told us that she had to a bone 90 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: matter transplant to survive. 91 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: In order to have a successful bone marrow transplant, Joanna 92 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: would need a perfect match. It's rare, but they found 93 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: a possible match on the National registry. It wasn't perfect, 94 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: but it was close and it was their only shot. 95 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: But the procedure is dangerous. 96 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: So what they do is they kill off all your 97 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: bone marrow, so you had to go into isolation. You're 98 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: in a room where everybody has to be scrubbed up, 99 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: and it's very limited to how many people are in 100 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: the room because an infection could kill you because you 101 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: don't have any white cells to fight infection. And then 102 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: the cells from a donor just looks like a bag 103 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: of blood and it's hung up on a stand and 104 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: you receive it through intravenous and the stem cell that 105 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: go through your veins find their way to your bone 106 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: marrow and they nest in your bone marrow and start 107 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: to multiply and give you a new immune system should 108 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: your body accept it. But Joanna's didn't. It wasn't a 109 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: close enough match, and her body attacked the new cells. 110 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: When that happened, she was left with no immune system 111 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: and no donor. 112 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: But for the transplant, Joanna didn't fully grasp how serious 113 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: her diagnosis was. 114 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: It was a few times we thought we're going to 115 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: lose her. During the transplant, she was just so ill. 116 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: After the transplant failed, Joanna's doctors were blunt. 117 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: So so at that point they said, if she's going 118 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: to survive beyond five years, we need to find a 119 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: perfect match. 120 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: That's when Angela turned to the Anthony Nolan Register, one 121 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: of the first bone marrow registries in the world. It 122 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: had been founded by another mother, also desperate to save 123 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: her child, and the charity happened to be based in 124 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: the UK. So Angela scheduled a meeting with a woman 125 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: there and. 126 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: She said, well, this weekend we have got a fundraising 127 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: event going on in Glasgow. Would you and Joanna like 128 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: to go along? And I said yes, because we have 129 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: to do something. We can't sit back and just expect 130 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: everybody else to build this register for us. 131 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: So they packed their bags for Glasgow. 132 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: Of course, Joanna said she had nothing to wear, which 133 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: was a lot of the loneing. 134 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: That weekend, they hoped to meet people who could help Joanna. 135 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: And that's where I met Lindsay McCallum. 136 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: Lindsay worked for the Anthony Nolan Trust and she would 137 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: be Angela and Joanna's ambassador, guiding them through the process 138 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: of growing the registry and trying to find Joanna's match. 139 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: When we arrived at the hotel, she created us so 140 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: warmly and kindly, and she was very caring and inviting. 141 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 5: That night at the fundraiser, there was an auction and 142 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 5: there was people up speaking, and while Lindsay was speaking 143 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 5: on the stage, Joanna actually got up off her chair 144 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 5: and walked. 145 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: Up onto the stage and took the mic and told 146 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: people that she needed to find a bone marrow match 147 00:09:54,360 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: or she was going to die. I saw her blossom 148 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: on that stage. She didn't cry, She just told people 149 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: that she wanted to live and thankful for being there 150 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 2: and for helping her. 151 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: In that moment, something shifted. Joanna was no longer just 152 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: a patient. She wanted to be an advocate, and an 153 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: idea was born. The Anthony Nolan Trust would partner with 154 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: Joanna to launch a media campaign. They would use her 155 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: story to raise awareness and get new people to donate 156 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: bone marrow. Every new donor could potentially be Joanna's match. 157 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: They got the campaign off the ground with Lindsay's help, 158 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: and the public immediately took notice. 159 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: When we started Joanna's campaign, the media just ate it up. 160 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: They just loved her. She loved the camera. The camera 161 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: loved her. Yeah. She made friends with lots of different 162 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 2: Scottish celebrities and they just loved their zest for life. 163 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: Joanna's story struck a chord. Her personality, her humor, her 164 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: sheer will to live. It was irresistible. Plus, the campaign 165 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: gave Joanna a larger purpose. 166 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: It's how ridiculous, but she had a blast. She just 167 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: wanted to live. That was a message, I just want 168 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: to live. 169 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: Even though the transplant hadn't been successful, Joanna was well 170 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: enough to take her exams and get into college. There 171 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: she discovered her love of journalism. 172 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 2: She used to say, when I'm better, I'm going to 173 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: start a newspaper and it's going to be called good 174 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: News Only It's going to just be a newspaper full 175 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: of good news that people will want to read and 176 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: not be drawn into dooming gloom. Wouldn't that be a 177 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 2: wonderful world. 178 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: As the campaign continued to grow, so did Angela's involvement. 179 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: I started to work for the Anthony Nolan Trust. I 180 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,479 Speaker 2: was a donor recruitment manager. I then started running clinics 181 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: where people could come along and put their name down 182 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: to be on their register. And everybody was coming to 183 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: join the register, coming in their thousands. 184 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: It was intense work, and Angela says it couldn't have 185 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: been accomplished without Lindsay's help. The woman they'd met at 186 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: the fundraiser was becoming an integral part of their lives. 187 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: Lindsay went above and beyond a Joanna's campaign, and she 188 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: mean business. 189 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: She was ex military, had been in the Navy, and 190 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: so she had that kind of great organizational skills and 191 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: she was charming. She attracted people good fund raiser. Because 192 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 2: we were running a campaign together, the relationship became pretty intense. 193 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: Lindsay and Angela became best friends, you know. 194 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: The relationship grew organically. She would phone me during our 195 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: work hours and then that would expand it and we 196 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't just talk work. We just kicked off. We just 197 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: kicked off really well and laughed at the same things. 198 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: We talked about the same things. We both had families 199 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 2: that were very similar, very close, loving families. 200 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: They had a lot in common and Lindsay made her 201 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: feel less alone. Lindsay didn't have a child with cancer 202 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: or a personal stake in growing the donor Registry, but 203 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: she was passionate about the work and the people she 204 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: was helping. 205 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 6: She just had an aura and we both have a 206 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 6: common goal in increasing the register and helping people, and 207 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 6: she cared about Joanna. 208 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: As the year went on, Lindsay became a part of 209 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: their family. 210 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: Her families quickly became intertwined. I absolutely adored her mother 211 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: and her sisters. 212 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: Lindsay and Angela started calling each other first thing in 213 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: the morning every morning. 214 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 2: We're both early birds. Either she would text me or 215 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: I would text her saying are you awake yet? And 216 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what we even spoke about. You know 217 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: when you have a relationship and you can be in 218 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: the phone for an hour and then you have to 219 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: phone back in an hour's time. Oh, I forgot to 220 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: tell you. I could speak to her five times a day. 221 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: That was the kind of relationship we had. You didn't 222 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: get one without the other. Hell Is and Pickle. 223 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: The two women founded an annual ball together as a 224 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: fundraiser for the registry. By that point, Lindsay felt like 225 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: a sister. 226 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: It's hard to describe just how intense a friendship it was. 227 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: I feel it was almost because we had that goal 228 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: to save Joanna's life. 229 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: Joanna herself was determined to live and she was open 230 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: to trying anything. 231 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: She spoke to doctors about complimentary therapies. Should you have reflexologies, 232 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: should you have massage? And thirty years ago doctor scoffed 233 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: and rolled her eyes and said, yeah, you could try 234 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: that if you like. 235 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: But Joanna was ahead of her time. She believed in 236 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: western medicine, and she also believed in the power of rest, food, 237 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: and joy. While they kept waiting for the perfect Matchna 238 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: decided the best treatment would be living her life to 239 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: the fullest. 240 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: She was gotzi. She would do things like skydive. She 241 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: went scuba diving. 242 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: She'd been living with cancer for almost ten years. When 243 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: she was twenty four, she planned a backpack around the world. 244 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: Her doctor has cleared her to go so long as 245 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: she had blood work done every few weeks, and Joanna 246 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: took the chance. 247 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: She went all over. She was in Thailand, all these 248 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: kind of places fichi, I mean made in mind. Joanna 249 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: was tiny, tiny little thin thing. Her backpack was almost 250 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: as big as her. It was huge, and while she 251 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 2: was in Australia, I got a phone call to say 252 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: she had been admitted. 253 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: She started feeling short of breath and it turned out 254 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: she had a collapsed long. 255 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 2: Her lungs are deteriorating. Eventually they managed to get her 256 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: on a flight and get her back to Scotland, and 257 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: then we discovered that she actually needed a heart and 258 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 2: long transplant. 259 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: Everyone knew what it meant. This was the beginning of 260 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: the end and she never. 261 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 2: Ever got that long transplant. 262 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: Joanna died at home with her mom and sisters by 263 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: her side. She was twenty seven. 264 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: It was just also unfair. Everything's unfair, though, isn't it. 265 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: You know, with a disease, it's never fair. But she 266 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: just desperately wanted to live, and. 267 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: Allat immediately threw herself into planning a celebration of life 268 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: for Joanna. 269 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: I remember saying to somebody, this is the last thing 270 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: I get to do for my child. 271 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: The service would be joyful and vibrant, just like Joanna. 272 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 2: We asked everybody not to wear black, to wear very 273 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: colorful clothing. From a tiny little girl, Joanna loved rainbows. 274 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 2: As a toddler. She would scream when she saw a rainbow, 275 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: she was fascinated. 276 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 7: And when she was very ill and she knew she 277 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 7: was dying, she said to me, when we can no 278 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 7: longer be together. 279 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: I will send you a sign and we can meet 280 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 2: in the middle of rainbow. 281 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: As they plan the service, Lindsay was there to help always. 282 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: Lindsay actually asked if she could reader Yuligi. I was laying, 283 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: my goodness, could you do that? And she was like, 284 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 2: I really, yeah, I could. I want to? And I 285 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's beautiful. 286 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: Even in this dark time, Angela felt like she was 287 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: surrounded by love, that she was supported by good and 288 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: caring people. 289 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: I thought Lindsay McCallum was one of these people, and 290 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: she wasn't. 291 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: After Joanna passed away, Angela leaned on her family and friends, 292 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: especially her best friend Lindsay. At this point, they'd been 293 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: best friends for nearly a decade. Their daily morning calls 294 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: became a lifeline for Angela. 295 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 2: After Johanna passed. You know, Lindsey would be the first 296 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: person I would speak to in the morning, and she 297 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: would message me and say a yap where I would 298 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 2: if I was awake, I would miss a yap. And 299 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 2: we would chat and she would just laugh with me 300 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 2: about the funny things. Joanna would get up to the 301 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: funny things that she would say, and it lifted my spouts. 302 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: And it was just she was always there. She was 303 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: so supportive. Never heard her cry right enough, never cried, 304 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: but I just thought that she was just composed. 305 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: Their friendship went on like this for another seven years. 306 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: During this time, Angela was reflecting a lot on Joanna 307 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: and how she was always looking for holistic treatments, ways 308 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: to make herself feel better and find joy. She thought 309 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: about how Joanna used to say. 310 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: There should be a place that people go and they 311 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 2: can just sample. 312 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 8: All these things and find out what you can do 313 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 8: to bring more joy, more peace, more relaxation, less stress. 314 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: One day, when Lindsay and Angela were on the phone, 315 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: they came up with an idea together, a charity that 316 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: would provide exactly that. 317 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 2: Seven years after Joanna passed away, Lindsay and I decided 318 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 2: in her memory to launch Rainbow Valley to help other people. 319 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: Rainbow Valley to Joanna's vibrancy and her love of rainbows. 320 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: They would offer a two day residential program for people 321 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: with cancer. The course would include coaching on mindfulness, diet 322 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: and emotional well being. 323 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 2: Remove Valley is not a life saving charity. Remove Aalley 324 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: is a life changing charity. And it doesn't matter how 325 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: long you have to live, it's what can you do 326 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 2: to take back control of a diagnosis of cancer? I 327 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: live a more joyous life. 328 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: Luckily, Lindsay knew how to start a charity and she 329 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: was eager to help. 330 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: She had seventeen eighteen years experience as a fund raiser 331 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 2: for a big organization, so she was obviously well respected 332 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: within the sector, and I felt she had the expertise. 333 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 2: Johanna gave us the vision, Johanna gave us our mission 334 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: why it was the storyteller, and Lindsay was the expertise 335 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 2: behind pulling it together. 336 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: They applied for charitable status and found experts to lead 337 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: their courses, and then, in a twist of faith, Lindsay 338 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: was laid off from her job at the Anthony Nullan Trust, 339 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: so she became Rainbow Valley's first official employee. 340 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 9: It made sense that Lindsay, you know, after being made redundant, 341 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 9: worked for Rainbow Valley, and we pulled the board together, 342 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 9: a board of trustees, and we took advice from Lindsay. 343 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: We took her lead because she was the one with 344 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 2: twenty years experience. 345 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 9: I was so grateful that we were able to do 346 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 9: something like this together in Joy and his memory. 347 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: I thought it was all meant to be. 348 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: Under Lindsay's leadership, the charity really came together. In twenty twelve, 349 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: Rainbow Valley officially began running courses. 350 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: She was the head of the charity. She was involved 351 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 2: in the day to day running of everything. I trusted 352 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 2: her implicitly implicitly. 353 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: A few years into managing the charity together, the friends 354 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: faced their first real conflict. Angela had started to question 355 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: some of Lindsay's choices. 356 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: I felt she was spending money on something that wasn't 357 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: necessary and it was a bit of a waste of resources. 358 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 2: And I spoke to Lindsay about this, and I remember 359 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: saying to her, this is extremely difficult for me because 360 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: you're my best friend and I adore you, but this 361 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 2: is a business conversation and I don't feel this is 362 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: the way we should be running. 363 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: And Lindsay didn't take it well. 364 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 2: It was the first time I had ever seen I 365 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: don't want to overexaggerate and say aggression but it was 366 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: like she was angry. I saw it as not a fallout, 367 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: but we disagreed on something which we hadn't done before. 368 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: But it was more than a disagreement. It was a 369 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:52,719 Speaker 1: turning point. After that conversation, Lindsay became cold and she 370 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: came to Angela with some feedback of her own. 371 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 2: She started telling me that people didn't like me and 372 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 2: that I was causing upset on the course. I was 373 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 2: upsetting the staff, and I was upsetting the attendees, and 374 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: I was creating a negative atmosphere. 375 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 9: And of course I loved her and I didn't want 376 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 9: to upset her. 377 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 2: I didn't want to upset anybody on the course. That 378 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 2: she had me convinced that I was creating this negative atmosphere. 379 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: Angela was taken aback, but she trusted Lindsay's judgment. She 380 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: didn't want to be a problem or get in the 381 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: way of their mission. 382 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: And she told me that I shouldn't come to the 383 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: courses anymore. I wasn't being useful, so I kind of 384 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: stepped back from that. 385 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: She wanted to do what was best for the charity, 386 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: but Angela was hurt, and to make matters worse, their 387 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: friendship was changing. 388 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: During that time, our relationship really deteriorated, and I was 389 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 2: very confused, you know, because Lindsay would turn quite nasty 390 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: at times, and it just wasn't like her, you know. 391 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: I would try to speak to and see what's wrong, 392 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: and she'd say nothing, nothing, So she had me feeling 393 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: I was imagining it. 394 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: Lindsay stopped calling in the mornings. 395 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 2: I would then be phoning and she would ignore my calls, 396 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 2: and then when I would say to you, I phoned you, 397 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: she would say, what if I got a misscall from you. 398 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: Then one night, Angela opened her door to find all 399 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: three of her daughters standing in front of her. 400 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: The girls all came to my house one evening and said, 401 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: you really need to get help. You're not happy. 402 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: Angela knew Lindsay had something to do with this, and 403 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: her daughters confirmed it. Lindsay had approached them and raised 404 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: her concerns. 405 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: She was saying to them things like, your mum really 406 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: needs help. I know. She said a lot of trauma 407 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: in her life, but she really needs help, and that 408 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 2: I was going. 409 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 10: Off my not. 410 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: And I was like, absolutely not. 411 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: Now Lindsay was interfering in her relationship with her daughters. 412 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: It started to feel like it was orchestrated, but to 413 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: what end. Angela couldn't figure it out. And on top 414 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: of that. 415 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: I felt she was pushing me out, telling me that 416 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: I was interfering in the day to day running of 417 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 2: the charity and that she ran the charity. 418 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: But one day Angela stopped by a Rainbow Valley course 419 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: that Lindsay was running. She stood in the back and 420 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: kept to herself. Lindsay was giving the introduction to the group. Typically, 421 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: they shared Joanna's story at the start of every course, 422 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: but this time Lindsay skipped over it. 423 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: I remember going to a day course and normally when 424 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: we have our intro slides, we talk about what Rainbow 425 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: Valley is the inspiration and we have a picture of 426 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 2: Joanna up and we talk about this is where it started, 427 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: this was a dream of Joanna's. But this time she 428 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: didn't mention Joanna on the course. I said after. 429 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 11: It wasn't a reason why we stopped talking about Joanna, 430 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 11: and she said, because I don't really think it's relevant. 431 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: Angela was at a loss for words. She didn't recognize 432 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: Lindsay or where she was taking Rainbow Valley. 433 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: And then in twenty twenty two in January, she said 434 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: to me, there's a problem. 435 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: Lindsay said Covid had taken a toll on the charity's 436 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: bottom line, and she. 437 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: Said, we've managed to bob along because we got some 438 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: grants to run the online courses. But now we're through 439 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 2: all that and it's not viable. We don't have enough money. 440 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: The charity's going to close. She announced this at a 441 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: board meeting and they all kind of looked at the 442 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: figures and were like, we're in trouble here. 443 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: It was bleak. Lindsay explained that the best option was 444 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: to wind down the charity at the end of the year. 445 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: I said, wait a week moment, we cannot make this 446 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: decision and walk out of the room saying that's it. 447 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 2: We're folding. Give us three weeks. Let reconvene in three 448 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 2: weeks and if we all go away and speak to 449 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: everybody and anybody and see if we can find a company, 450 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 2: a trust fund, somebody that will save us, somebody that 451 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: will give us a big donation. 452 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: Angela started working the founds. Within a week, someone found 453 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: a dinner willing to help get Rainbow Valley back on track. 454 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 2: I was so relieved and so excited. I met Lindsey 455 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: before the board meeting and I thought she would have 456 00:31:50,760 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 2: been elated, but she was like, oh, that's great. 457 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: Instead of celebrating, Lindsay announced that she would be stepping 458 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: down from the charity for good. 459 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 2: She said, I'm leaving Rainbow Valley. I don't want to 460 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: do fundraising anymore. I'm good to resign. 461 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: On her last day, the staff took her out to 462 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: lunch and bought her flowers. She and Angela said a 463 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: cordial goodbye. Angela felt like it was a new chapter 464 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: for the charity. The only thing left to do was 465 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: close the accounts Lindsay used. Years ago, she set up 466 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: a separate bank account for their annual gala. Angela knew 467 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: about the account, but she wasn't involved in managing it. 468 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 2: I had mentioned this other account that was for the ball, 469 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: which Lindsay had advised that we set up as a 470 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: friend's account. I knew that she had done this when 471 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 2: she was with the Anthony Nolan Trust previously, so I 472 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 2: just thought, well, that's how it's done. 473 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: The bank account Lindsay set up was called the Friends 474 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: of Rainbow Valley. 475 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: And the treasurer said, oh that account is it? Closed, 476 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: and I was like, well, I don't know, and she said, 477 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: well it needs closed or the name changed. 478 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: So Angela went to the bank and got hard copies 479 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: of the account statements to take back to the office 480 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: and reconcile. Angela's adult daughter, Kendall, was working for Rainbow 481 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: Valley at the time, helping close out the books for 482 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: the end of the year. 483 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: I took it back to the office, put it down 484 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: on the table and I said to Kendall, let's go 485 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 2: through this. And Kendall continued looking through it, and she said, Mum, 486 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: come back and look at this. Why is all this 487 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: getting paid out to Lindsay? Why why is all these 488 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: payments going out to Lindsay. 489 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: Angela went to look and she saw dozens of transfers, 490 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: small transfers, a few hundred dollars each. But the closer 491 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: they looked, they realized it quickly totaled a huge sum 492 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: of money and it was all made out to one person, 493 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: Lindsay McCallum. As Angela and her daughter Kendall were going 494 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: through the end of year finances for Rainbow Valley, they 495 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: found something alarming. Dozens of payments to Lindsay from a 496 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: bank account that only she. 497 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 2: Used, and she said, why's all this compeyed out to 498 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: Lindsay and I said, it will be expenses, and she 499 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 2: said no, look at dates. Why would she have expenses? March, April, May, 500 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 2: June every month, and it's sometimes it's twice a day. 501 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 2: I was really confused, and Kendall just looked at me, 502 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: and I was like, no, she's been horrible to me, 503 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: but she's not a thief. I know that her family 504 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 2: are very wealthy, she's very comfortable, and she's not a thief. No, 505 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 2: not a chance. 506 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: It's true that Lindsay's husband came from a wealthy family 507 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: and she'd been collecting a salary from Rainbow Valley. She 508 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: didn't need money. Angela felt like there had to be 509 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: another explanation, so she reached out to Lindsay to clear 510 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: it up. 511 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: I had sent a message saying, I'm confused why all 512 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: these payments are going out to you and are the 513 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 2: expenses and the amounts don't add up. She says it 514 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 2: was expenses. I was just paying things and drips and drabs, 515 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: and I wanted to believe that. And I came back 516 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 2: into the office and I said to Kendall, it's fine, 517 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 2: just expenses, and Kendall said, bullshit, bullshit. She says, open 518 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 2: your eyes and look at it properly. 519 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: She needed answers, so she called Lindsey back and she 520 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: was just. 521 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: Coming up with, you know, lots of different excuses, and 522 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 2: then she said, well, I should have told you this, 523 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 2: but a good few years ago, Rainbow Valley was in 524 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 2: financial trouble and I put a lump summon to dig 525 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 2: us out a hole, and I should have told you 526 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 2: about it. And I said how much? How much did 527 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 2: you put in? And she said, oh, I can't remember that. 528 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 2: That was me trying to claw the money back. And 529 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 2: I said no, I says, that's not transparent. You can 530 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 2: do that. Bring in all your statements, bring in all 531 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 2: your bank accounts, and you and I will sit at 532 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 2: this table and we will go through everything and we'll 533 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 2: make everything transparent so that every penny's accounted for. And 534 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 2: she said I can't. 535 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,439 Speaker 1: So Angela ended the car. She needed time to think, 536 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: and at. 537 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 2: That point, you know, I'm disgusted. We packed up and 538 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 2: drove home, and the whole way home, my head was 539 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 2: just spinning. And I said to my daughter, just let's 540 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: keep this low key. Just now, because I need to 541 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 2: work out what my next steps are. 542 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: Before she could wrap her head around this, Lindsay called again, 543 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: this time with a new tactic. 544 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 2: She phoned and she said, please, Angela, don't take this 545 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 2: any further. And she said, look, I'll give you twenty 546 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 2: thousand pounds, just go to the bank and close it. 547 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 2: And I said, how long has this has been going on? 548 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 2: And she said, oh, no, no, no, it was just 549 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 2: that year. It was just that one year. 550 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: That was it. 551 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 2: That was it, you know, it was okay, it's okay, 552 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 2: there's nothing else. 553 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: Angela didn't believe her. 554 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 2: As far as I was concerned. She was trying to 555 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 2: bribe me. 556 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: This wasn't slappy buckkeeping. It was theft. 557 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 2: So then I phoned my daughter and I said, we're 558 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 2: going to the police. I had to go to the place. 559 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: They wanted to gather all the evidence they could, so 560 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: they searched every page of their financial records starting with 561 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: the year the charity was founded. 562 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 2: And my two daughters went through it, highlighting everything and 563 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 2: kind of trying to get a tally. I could have 564 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 2: a two mo own things. I was in such a state. 565 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: The bank statements revealed Lindsay had been stealing money from 566 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,439 Speaker 1: Rainbow Valley. For years, she had taken it bit by bit, 567 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: three hundred here, two hundred there, and slowly those little 568 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: numbers started adding up. In the end they discovered Lindsay 569 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: stole eighty six thousand pounds, that's one hundred and sixteen 570 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: thousand US dollars. The reason nobody had noticed was because 571 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: Lindsay was soliciting donations straight to the Friends of Rainbow 572 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: Valley account and she never reported those donations to the organization. 573 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: So of course the donors thought their money was going 574 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 1: to the charity. In reality, it was going to Lindsay's 575 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: slush fund. 576 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 2: Nobody else would know that thousand pounds ever existed, because 577 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 2: she would be the one that would be writing a 578 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 2: letter of things. So she was so deceitful. And these 579 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 2: are people, this is money from people that she would know. 580 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: Lindsay had robbed their downers, She'd robbed cancer patients and 581 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: their families. She'd even tried to close Rainbow Valley forever. 582 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 2: It was like a jigsaw all coming together. It was 583 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 2: making sense why she was treating me the way she was, 584 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 2: why she had to get rid of me, why she 585 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 2: wanted to leave Rainbow Valley why she was gaslighting me. 586 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,839 Speaker 2: She had hoped that the charity would fold and all 587 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 2: the bank accounts would be closed and it would be 588 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 2: all gone and she would have got away with it. 589 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: Angela realized her best friend of twenty years wasn't the 590 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: person she thought she was. 591 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 2: When it all came to light, I was breathed. The 592 00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 2: person I thought she was for me had died. She 593 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 2: no longer existed, and that was extremely difficult, intense. 594 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: Angela walked into the police station with hundreds of papers 595 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: in hand. 596 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 2: And I have to say the detective was so good 597 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,919 Speaker 2: because I was on there. I was just a wreck 598 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 2: when you would come in, you know, I was just 599 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,879 Speaker 2: a blobbing wreck. And he was just very calm and 600 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 2: kind and explained everything as he was going along. And 601 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 2: he warned me, said this will take about two years 602 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 2: to get to court. And I was like, no way, 603 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,439 Speaker 2: how can that be. He was right. 604 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 1: It took the police a year to investigate the case. 605 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 1: A week after Angela confronted her, Lindsay paid twenty five 606 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: thou pounds into the Rainbow Valley account in an attempt 607 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: to cover up what she'd done. She didn't know that 608 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: Angela had already gone to the police, so. 609 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 2: She thought she had got away with it. You know, 610 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 2: time was passing and she was living our best life. 611 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 2: Their son was getting married. They went away to Cyprus 612 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,800 Speaker 2: for this big, laffish wedding, as if there was nothing wrong. 613 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: For Angela, the year of the investigation was an emotional 614 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: and unsettling time. Sometimes she had to remind herself that 615 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: this was really happening. 616 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 2: I would get into a panic sometimes and think, oh 617 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 2: my god, have we got this wrong? And I would 618 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,320 Speaker 2: have to go back into the office and take out 619 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 2: all the evidence and look at him to remind me 620 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 2: and say, no, it really happened. It really has happened. 621 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: On October thirtieth, twenty twenty three, it got very real 622 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,760 Speaker 1: for Angela and for Lindsay. 623 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 2: The day she was arrested. I'll never forget it as 624 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 2: long as I live. 625 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 12: I remember it because I was driving home from my 626 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 12: mother's and the detective phoned me and asked me to 627 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 12: pull in, and he said, I've brought her in for questioning. 628 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: And I've charged her. 629 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 2: And he said okay, and I said yeah, but I 630 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 2: was shaking. 631 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: She thought she'd feel a sense of justice, but really 632 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: she just felt heartbreak. 633 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 2: Bear in mind, I still loved her. Love is not 634 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,879 Speaker 2: like a light switch. We don't ever switch it off. 635 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:51,320 Speaker 2: I loved the bones of her. She was a fabulous friend. 636 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 2: She was there for me and some of my darkest, 637 00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 2: darkest hours. And then I was confused. I stood and 638 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 2: read a eulogy at Johanna's funeral. How could you do that? 639 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 2: How could you do that? 640 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 1: But Angela's heartbreak turned to rage when the police uncovered 641 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: new information. It turned out Lindsay's fraud didn't start with 642 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 1: Rainbow Valley. She had also stolen from the Anthony Nolan Trust, 643 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 1: the place where Angela and Lindsay first met, and the 644 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,800 Speaker 1: police charged her with that fraud too. 645 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 2: I think that was the point where I felt angry then, 646 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 2: because I thought, you're a serial thief. And it's just 647 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 2: left me wondering did she ever have any love for 648 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:57,760 Speaker 2: any of us? She worked for the Anthony Nolan Trust 649 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 2: when I met her, and Joanna needed the bone marrow transplant, 650 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,799 Speaker 2: and I question, did she see Joanna could raise a 651 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,879 Speaker 2: lot of money where we just a meal ticket for her? 652 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 2: And that hurts like hell, not because she did that 653 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 2: to me, but because she maybe did that with Joanna. 654 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: It's an unanswerable question, but they'd been friends for decades. 655 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,359 Speaker 1: Angela knew Lindsay and what really motivated her. 656 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 2: Her husband's family are extremely wealthy and elderly, so he 657 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 2: is in for a big, big, big inheritance. Personally, I 658 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 2: just don't think it was coming quick enough to her, 659 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 2: and her vanity and greed took over. 660 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: On the day of Lindsay's sentencing hearing. 661 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 2: The court opened and she she had to walk past us, 662 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 2: and she stuck her head in the air, stuck her 663 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 2: nose in the air and looked in the opposite direction. 664 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 2: You know, she was very close. Had to walk right 665 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 2: past me, and I recognized her. Fully that felt I 666 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:18,360 Speaker 2: didn't know. 667 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: Lindsay ended up pleading guilty to two fraud charges. 668 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 2: She knew that you get a third off your sentence, 669 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 2: so she got four years reduced to three years. With 670 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 2: pleading guilty. 671 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: Lindsay was sentenced to three years in prison in order 672 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 1: to repay both charities. She did make that repayment, but 673 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: she only served a quarter of her sentence. But justice 674 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: looks different for Angela. She wanted anesty and remorse, but 675 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:48,919 Speaker 1: that never came. 676 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 13: I'll never ever ever get over it. I'll never understand it. 677 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 13: I would love to sit in a room with her 678 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,839 Speaker 13: and just say, please be honest, tell me why, and 679 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 13: tell me what's going through your head. I would love 680 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 13: to have a conversation with her, not for me to 681 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 13: call her names or to call her out on anything, but. 682 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 2: Just to try and unjumble my brain. I missed the 683 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 2: person I thought she was. I really do. 684 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: Even though Lindsay's deception devastated Angela, she isn't willing to 685 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: let it change her values. 686 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 2: I refuse to live my life not trusting people. With 687 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 2: what I've been through with Joanna. I know there are 688 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,280 Speaker 2: more good people in the world than there are bad, 689 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 2: and that's why I hang on to I've got seven 690 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 2: beautiful grandchildren. None of them met Joanna, but they all 691 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 2: know her when they talk about her. When they see 692 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 2: rein and if there's a reflection comes into the house 693 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,399 Speaker 2: and it's bouncing off, they'll say, oh, Auntie Joe's here. 694 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,760 Speaker 1: Angela lost her best friend, but she didn't lose Rainbow Valley, 695 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,719 Speaker 1: and her decision to bring Lindsay's crime to light in 696 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: some ways has been a positive. Today, Rainbow Valley has 697 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,319 Speaker 1: more interest and support than ever, and Angela dreams of 698 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:31,319 Speaker 1: building a permanent center for the charity. Joanna's legacy has 699 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: become part of Angela's legacy too. 700 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 2: I want this to have longevity and be meaningful for 701 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 2: people way after I've gone. I wanted to keep growing 702 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,400 Speaker 2: and flourishing and being there to help people through, you know, 703 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 2: a very difficult period of their life. 704 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: And all of our Weekly episodes with the same question, 705 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,720 Speaker 1: why do you want to share your story? 706 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:07,840 Speaker 2: I'm telling this story mainly because you asked. But Rainbow 707 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,319 Speaker 2: Valley was Joanna's dream. Lindsay tried to turn it into 708 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 2: a nightmare, and I wanted the world to know what 709 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,799 Speaker 2: she had done and who she really was. But I 710 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,239 Speaker 2: also want people to realize that they can survive the 711 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:32,080 Speaker 2: worst times of their life. And Joanna taught me to 712 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 2: stand tall because that's what she did. If she could 713 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 2: do it, I've got to you know, when you have 714 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 2: a rainbows gantee, the sun will come out eventually. 715 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,399 Speaker 1: On the next episode of Betrayal Weekly. 716 00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,479 Speaker 10: Never ever did I see that coming. 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