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Speaker 1: We welcome you to the Official Titans Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Mike Keith and I'm joined by Titans Radio's Draft Duo.

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking, of course, of Rhett Brian and coach Dave McGinnis. Rhets.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm splendid and you, sir, I've splendid myself.

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Speaker 1: Coach Mike, how are you doing today? Hi Keith, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing great. Great to see you in Rhett. I love

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Speaker 1: the background. I love watching football. Hopefully that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: real pretty soon. Hopefully you're right. On this edition of

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Speaker 1: the otp's Draft Duo, we are combining the offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: and the tight ends. Let's open with Rhett Brian. Is

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Speaker 1: it safe to say the headline here is if you

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Speaker 1: want a top potential offensive tackle, you're likely to find

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Speaker 1: one in the twenty twenty draft. Yeah. I think that

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Speaker 1: it's true, Mike. Through the first two rounds there are

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Speaker 1: instant starters all the way to guys who can need

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Speaker 1: anything in between, but certainly in the first round. But

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Speaker 1: they're in the second round. There are some guys that

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Speaker 1: will be playing early and often that tackle. Coach Mike

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Speaker 1: sum are projecting that as many as eight offensive tackles

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Speaker 1: could be taken in the first forty picks of this draft.

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Speaker 1: Is it unreasonable to think that could happen? Well, I

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Speaker 1: think it's absolutely true. I mean, I really do, Mike.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's eight guys. I mean, when I start

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Speaker 1: looking at my board horizontally and just looking at what

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Speaker 1: at their requisite skills up against the people horizontally the

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Speaker 1: other positions, I mean, I can give you eight names

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Speaker 1: pretty quick, you know, not going in any detail, but

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Speaker 1: just names. Gedrick Wills from Alabama, Tristan Worse from Iowa,

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Speaker 1: McKay Beckton from Louisville, Andrew Thomas from Georgia, Jos Jones Houston,

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Speaker 1: Austin Jackson, USC Ezra Cleveland, Boise State, Isaiah Wilson, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: That's eight in the top forty in my opinion. All right, now,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for this because there's been so much

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Speaker 1: debate everywhere about who is the number one offensive tackle prospect.

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Speaker 1: Coach Mack, I'll let you go first with your number one,

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Speaker 1: and then Ratt we'll see if you agree. I think

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Speaker 1: it's Jedrick Wills. I think Jedrick Wills is the number one,

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Speaker 1: And here's what I wrote. When you watch him play, Mike,

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Speaker 1: he's really really he understands the nuances of playing tackle.

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Speaker 1: And when you watch him play against the Southeastern Conference opponents,

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Speaker 1: who are the guys he's going to be playing against,

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Speaker 1: you know, because there's more Southeastern Conference players in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League than from any other conference in the country.

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Speaker 1: And you very rarely see him beat twice, you know,

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Speaker 1: by the same move I mean, he's a smart player,

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Speaker 1: but look, six h four two, three hundred and twelve pounds,

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Speaker 1: These are the physical skills that this guy has. He's

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Speaker 1: lock on strength. He's got big time lock on strength.

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Speaker 1: He can generate movement and plus what I like, when

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Speaker 1: ugly temperament. He's got that for me. It's Tristan works

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Speaker 1: from Iowa, of course, Iowa and Kurt Ferrence's program. They

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Speaker 1: it's one of the better strength and conditioning programs. Kurt

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Speaker 1: Ferrence is a fantastic coach. This guy has the strength,

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Speaker 1: the size, the power, but he's a football player. But

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Speaker 1: athletic gifted skills in this and he's played both left

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Speaker 1: the best offensive tackle prospect with the versatility and maybe

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Speaker 1: This guy is a really good athlete. He's a very

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Speaker 1: you do that, you're gonna take him later? Is Ben

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Speaker 1: He is a monster mountain of a man at six

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Speaker 1: a prospect who is a mammoth. Let's move to the

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Speaker 1: center position. Red. I'm gonna let you go first on

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Speaker 1: take LSU's Lloyd Cushionberry or Michigan's Caesar Ruise. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: take Caesar Ruise. If you're gonna go by those two

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna tell you why Lloyd Cushionberry might be

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Speaker 1: really good run blocker. He has good technical skills that

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Speaker 1: things that we always talk about as intangible as they

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Speaker 1: made their national championship run. Lloyd Cushionberry might be a

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Speaker 1: why is a hand so important? Look, you do everything

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Speaker 1: We talked about his hands released and his knees bent

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Speaker 1: on contact. He releverages his hands really quickly, Mike. And

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Speaker 1: when you releverage your hands, you know inside the inside

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Speaker 1: hand placement wins. On the line of scrimmage with a

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Speaker 1: hand to hand combat, inside hand placement wins if you

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Speaker 1: are able to reset your hands immediately, said a defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: A one technique or a three technique gets into you

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Speaker 1: and reset your hands quickly, then you regain the leverage.

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Speaker 1: I like him. I think he still needs has refinement

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Speaker 1: both in his run and pass blocking. But to me,

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Speaker 1: Sesar Ruiz is a guy that I would really like

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Speaker 1: both of these guys going the second round, Coach Mac, Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: know that name? First of all, Robert Hunt is a big,

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Speaker 1: physical man out of Louisiana Lafayett. At six foot five,

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Speaker 1: three hundred twenty three pounds, He's a riot tackle prospect,

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Speaker 1: to see a guard taken in the first round, doesn't

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Speaker 1: But what other guard prospects stand out to you, guys

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Speaker 1: who will be taken on day two? In Day three,

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Speaker 1: he brought up Robert Hunt, which is an excellent, excellent prospect,

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Speaker 1: other guy like Mike from LSU. LSU had where they

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Speaker 1: third or fourth round player. All right, six two, three

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Speaker 1: Those two guys, those guys quite a bit, all right.

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Speaker 1: So I'll give Red the first crack at this, and

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Speaker 1: then Coach Maca wants you to follow up. Sounds like

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Speaker 1: I can properly find some quality prospects on day three, Red, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you can. They're more of a developmental thing.

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Speaker 1: As you have kind of underlined there. Your real value

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Speaker 1: think there's a first round tight end in this draft.

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Speaker 1: So Coach, I'll let you start. Who are the first

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Speaker 1: give me your sleeper tight end. Give me a sleeper

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Speaker 1: it is Josiah Degara from Cincinnati. He's a red shirt

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Speaker 1: He's a Colorado kid. He wore number twenty nine there.

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Speaker 1: but his athletic ability, Mike and his competitive nature and

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Speaker 1: I want our OT people to remember that name. In

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Speaker 1: this draft. You guys have been phenomenal as usual. Offensive lineman, guards, centers,

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Speaker 1: tight ends, We've hit them all on this edition of

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Speaker 1: Titan's Radio's Draft Duo with Red Brian and also coach

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Speaker 1: Dave McGinnis. Thank you both, Thank you Mike Keith, great Ben,

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