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Speaker 1: Hey, want to welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlie.

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Speaker 2: This is All Ball.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna take a bit of a left turn from

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Speaker 3: some of our basketball storytelling. And don't worry if you're

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Speaker 3: a Dan Putaman fan. I've had so many texts and

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Speaker 3: tweets and d ms from people we want to see

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Speaker 3: here Part two. We'll drop part two with Dan this

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Speaker 3: upcoming week. But let's let's get to part one with

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Speaker 3: a good friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: His name is j C.

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Speaker 2: White.

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Speaker 3: He runs T three Body and he's but he's more

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Speaker 3: than a trainer. It's a holistic approach. But what's interesting is,

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Speaker 3: you know, in in our search for our zest for

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Speaker 3: like sports and and and the kind of connection of

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Speaker 3: all sports and the connection of kind of the mind,

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Speaker 3: the body, everything that goes into it, there's also the hey,

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Speaker 3: I'd love for if you listen to all ball, find

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Speaker 3: different ways to have different avenues to make money. And

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Speaker 3: jac was a guy who was hooper in high school,

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Speaker 3: wasn't good enough to play in college, became all about

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Speaker 3: kind of bodybuilding and weightlifting, and then it's turned it

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Speaker 3: into being as successful professionally as anybody in the country.

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Speaker 3: So we'll get to that upcoming some quick thoughts on

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Speaker 3: some of the ANIL stuff. You know, it's it's fascinating

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Speaker 3: to see coaches leave and the assumption is when they

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Speaker 3: step up a level, that they bring their best players

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Speaker 3: with them. And what's happened is, and this is with

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Speaker 3: Dusty May a little bit with Josh Shirts. You look

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Speaker 3: around the country and some of these coaches that have

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Speaker 3: switched ups, they've many of them have taken their best player,

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Speaker 3: but it's a little bit harder to get everybody with you.

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Speaker 3: And what happens is when you know you have changed places,

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Speaker 3: it allows those players to hit the open market, and

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Speaker 3: they're playing the market. And what's interesting about the nil

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Speaker 3: is space is the phases of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, you had the right when the season was over.

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Speaker 3: Of the players that immediately put themselves in the portal,

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Speaker 3: it was not really their choice. It may have been

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Speaker 3: that the coach was probably thinking, you may want to

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Speaker 3: find yourself somewhere else to play. I can help you

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Speaker 3: out put yourself in the portal. Then there's the you know,

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Speaker 3: guys that have been we knew were going to be

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Speaker 3: their names in and many of them are signing at places.

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Speaker 3: Then you have the list of what you'd call quasi

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Speaker 3: kind of elite players, many of whom are sitting there

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Speaker 3: oftentimes they're declaring for the NBA Draft as kind of

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Speaker 1: It doesn't put them in the portal.

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Speaker 3: Because it's still you know, their current school is still

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Speaker 3: the dark portal where, yeah, they can see what their

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Speaker 3: value would be if they were to go to the

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Speaker 3: NBA Draft, or they can see what their value would

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Speaker 3: be if they stay in college. And I think there's

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Speaker 3: a good list of those players that we still don't

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Speaker 3: know exactly what their future is and that's kind of

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Speaker 3: going to determine a lot of the elite stuff. But

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Speaker 3: the money being thrown around is crazy. And I thought

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Speaker 3: Dan's eye opening podcast it was just the start of

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Speaker 3: the story. We'll get more into it upcoming this week.

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Speaker 3: As for the NBA Playoffs, you know, I'm intrigued by

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Speaker 3: by the Timberwolves and what they did the Suns in

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Speaker 3: Game one, the Suns just you know, Grace to Allen

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Speaker 3: lot more effective. If you're only going to get handful

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Speaker 3: playing an elite level. And Kevin Durant was plenty good

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Speaker 3: enough at least at the offensive end, but they got

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Speaker 3: to figure out how to get other weapons involved. They

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Speaker 3: can't simply attack Rudy Gobert on the perimeter. There has

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Speaker 3: And you know with Ibshez there as your owner man,

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Speaker 3: it feels like they dodged a bit of a bullet

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Speaker 3: Keeps him out of seeing what he looks like in

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Speaker 3: playoffs basketball and some other guys like we have with

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Speaker 3: you brought in a point guard who you thought could

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Speaker 1: But like here we are again, and D'Angel.

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Speaker 3: Russell's your starting point guard, and he's just not good

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Speaker 3: enough against the Nuggets. Whether it's his it's not just

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Speaker 3: and he missed a big layup. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 3: He's not the only reason they lost in Game one.

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Speaker 3: Lebron James somehow avoiding any sort of negative vibes, he

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Speaker 3: had seven turnovers in the game. But for the Lakers,

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Speaker 3: if you know, I just don't understand the two things

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Speaker 3: I don't understand with the Lakers. I like the things

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Speaker 3: you know, the I don't believe the Westbrook move was

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Speaker 3: his call. But getting what rid of Westbrook and reforming

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Speaker 3: think he knew, you know, he knew that that Bianzel

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Speaker 3: Russell wasn't gonna be good enough.

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Speaker 1: Why do you resign him? Like, did you resign him

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Speaker 1: because you know to trade him?

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Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. I never loved that idea. And

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Speaker 3: your little snake bit right, like, you go and get

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Speaker 3: a point guard who starts from my last year and

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Speaker 3: they go to the finals and he essentially never plays

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Speaker 3: which it's just unlucky. But the two things I don't

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Speaker 3: plenty of other teams didn't draft Hoemy hawk As. But

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Speaker 3: Not that that's why you would draft him, but he's

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Speaker 3: and I think both of those are kind of coming

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Speaker 3: Let's dig in. This is my friend JC White te

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Speaker 3: three body is this company? Here's his story before we

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Speaker 3: get to who you are? Now, what's your sports background?

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Speaker 1: Jac?

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Speaker 2: What were you like as an athlete in high school?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I played basketball pretty much my whole life. I

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Speaker 4: was All State, first team, All League. I was a deep,

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Speaker 4: decent hooper, but the muscle and the more of the

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Speaker 4: athleticism came a little bit after high school.

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Speaker 2: Oh anyway, so like what high school?

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Speaker 4: I want to andover in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Okay, where is that? That's that's outside that's suburban Detroit.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's about thirty to thirty minutes outside of Detroit,

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Speaker 2: Okay, you were what year are you? All State?

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Speaker 4: Two thousand and seven was the year that I was

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Speaker 4: All State?

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Speaker 2: Okay? And point guard? Two guard? Like you're a big dude.

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Speaker 2: You're not a big dude. What was your what was

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Speaker 2: your position of choice?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I played like one through four because I

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Speaker 4: was I could leap back in the day, Like my

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Speaker 4: So being about six foot six foot one, they have

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Speaker 4: I was kind of like a flex and it was tough. Man.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I had to guard some of the guys that

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Speaker 4: were like six six six seven and trying to you know.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing fun about that.

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Speaker 2: Nothing fun about My advice.

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Speaker 3: On post defense is now, well, I don't know. That's

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Speaker 3: what they teach you when you play professionally. It's just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that position.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 4: I would just try to bait them into taking a

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Speaker 4: not much I could do about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't shoot in a body building like right after

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Speaker 4: I got into it. In college. I started training like

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Speaker 4: pretty serious around like nineteen twenty years old, and I

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Speaker 2: So Okay, so let's go back. Where'd you go to college?

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Speaker 4: Michigan State?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so go to Michigan State. This in the peak

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Speaker 3: of the early Iszo era, Right, yep, how did you be?

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Speaker 3: How'd you find a love for bodybuilding? Weightlifting? Like?

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Speaker 2: Where did that come from?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So after I got done playing basketball. You know,

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Speaker 4: I think as athletes, we always have this need to express,

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Speaker 4: We're used to pushing ourselves, We're used to challenging ourselves.

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Speaker 4: I just kind of like just did a circuit around

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Speaker 3: The students like the student center Michigan State, or is

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Speaker 3: this back home in Bloomfield? Where is it When you

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Speaker 3: first started out of your weightlifting journey.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this this was actually my freshman year, which

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Speaker 4: I did my did my first year at Western Michigan

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Speaker 4: Calama zoo, Yep, yep, this is back. This was two

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Speaker 3: Okay, so so then take me through the progression. So

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Speaker 3: daughter is going to college next year, and you know, again,

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00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 3: she's not a bodybuilder, but she's taken spin class, and like,

439
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 3: who did that? None of the girls did that when

440
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 3: I was in high school, you know, So I think

441
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 3: that part is interesting. But okay, so when you're doing

442
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 3: you're doing powerlifting. Hey, here's the first question I think

443
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 3: most people want to know, but they fail to ask.

444
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 2: Or are afraid to ask.

445
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: Our bodybuilder is actually strong? Or is there just an

446
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 3: art to making your body look strong?

447
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 4: Our bodybuilders strong? Fuck? No, fuck no. That's one of

448
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 4: the things that I've hated about it is like these

449
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 4: guys would be monsters, right, absolutely huge muscles bursting through

450
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 4: the shirt. But when you get them in the gym,

451
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 4: you can out like a really good athlete who's trained

452
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 4: correctly can kick their ass in the gym. Like it's

453
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 4: strictly just for cosmetics. So the one thing that I

454
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 4: always wanted to be was kind of like a dual athlete,

455
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 4: where not I only not only looked the part, but

456
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 4: I could move very well. I was also very strong.

457
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 4: My body was also very mobile.

458
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 3: You want to be you want to be like so

459
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 3: like stiff, like big huge neck bodybuilder.

460
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 2: Can't move so bro so yeah, you know the guy.

461
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 2: We all know the guy.

462
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, like and that's that's not that's not. That was

463
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 4: never appealing to me, Like I was always a bigger

464
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 4: fan of the bodybuilding in the in the classic era,

465
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 4: like Arnold Schwarzerenegger, Insurgent of Bray, like those physiques to

466
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 4: me always looked very uh, very balanced, very proportionate, but

467
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,719
Speaker 4: also very athletic. To at the same time, like they

468
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 4: looked like they could still go out and run like

469
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 4: a forty yard dash. They was like, you know, if

470
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 4: you've got a scrap with them, and that would not

471
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 4: be a good time. The bodybuilders today, I mean, they're

472
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 4: they're so big and a mobile, like it's it's just, uh,

473
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 4: it's impressive the size that they put on, but it's

474
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 4: not it's not something that I think a lot of

475
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 4: people would would want to look like. But to you,

476
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 4: to your point, you said something earlier about you know,

477
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 4: the kids today and like them, you know, be going

478
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 4: into the gym. I think that actually might be that

479
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 4: people are just more health conscious today. I think that's

480
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 4: more of the trend. But the the reason why, like

481
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 4: I got into it, like I just admire like masculinity

482
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 4: and being strong and being powerful like that. That to

483
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 4: me was like the appeal, whereas I think today I don't.

484
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 4: I think people may do it for more of a

485
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 4: visual reason, like they want to look cool, they want

486
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 4: to look sick. The people are definitely way more health

487
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 4: conscious today, even though America as a whole is fatter

488
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 4: than it's ever been. But for me, it was like

489
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 4: growing up my like my heroes were always it was

490
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 4: Arnold Schwarzenegger, pro wrestlers, like superheroes like that. That to

491
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 4: me was like the appeal. So that's why it was

492
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 4: like it was cool to be strong and lift like

493
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 4: these enormous weights because it was being like Mile. So

494
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 4: it was like the guys that I wanted to be.

495
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 3: Like stuff is so I think back, it's funny, that's

496
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: why I lifted.

497
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 2: I didn't live for the cosmetic. I like the way

498
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: it looked.

499
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 3: I really liked the idea of feeling strong because I

500
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 3: was such a late lumer, was always so skinny, you know,

501
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 3: and so little. And I love the idea of delivering,

502
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: like delivering punishment when I played basketball, and you know,

503
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 3: probably ruined my jumpsh out a little bit because you

504
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: can lift and be strong and still shoot, but you

505
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 3: have to be really vigilant about it.

506
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: And a lot of my shooting stuff was mental. But

507
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 2: what I love just the.

508
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 3: Feeling of being, you know, of contact not bothering you,

509
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: and the feeling of you know, we could hand check

510
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: back then, and like you put your hand on somebody

511
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 3: and if you're really strong, you can make it feel

512
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 3: like a fucking vice script on somebody's hip. And you

513
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 3: know what no one really says about hand checking. It's

514
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 3: like I can steer you, I can control you, whereas

515
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: if I can't touch you, I can't cantry, I can't

516
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: steer you. And it was it was a very valuable

517
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 3: part of how I played. And so I'm with you.

518
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: I get that, the masculinity and the feeling of raw strength.

519
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: So you okay, so you transition to powerlifting. How long

520
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 3: did it take to when you were really at the

521
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: top and compete?

522
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 4: Not too long, I mean within I think like six months,

523
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 4: I was one of the top ranked guys in the

524
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 4: country in powerlating.

525
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: So this is deadlift or squat, pan and jerk. What

526
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 3: do you lift when you're doing powerlift?

527
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so parloting is is bench, preuss, squat and deadlift.

528
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 4: You get three attempts at each lift. Usually if you

529
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 4: do it correctly, your third attempt is going to be

530
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 4: your highest and they add up the total of all

531
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 4: those lifts and that's that's what that's how you actually

532
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 4: win is you take the three lifts and you get

533
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 4: the kinlyft total. So it's just it's ultimate. Just kind

534
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 4: of like growing up.

535
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: So let me let me tell you what this is like,

536
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 3: which was like you're gonna think this, this is a

537
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 3: weird thing. Okay, this is My daughter is a show jumper. Okay,

538
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: now she's going to college and she has to learn

539
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 3: a different discipline called equitation, but she's a show jumper.

540
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: And what show jumping is is a lot like what

541
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: you're describing. Because you have hunter jumper, you.

542
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: Have equitation, yoursage is something totally different. You have all these.

543
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: Things where they're they're grading and scoring things, and show

544
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: jumping is just go as fast as you can and

545
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: don't hit any rails.

546
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: Right, that's basically is there an art to it?

547
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: Like, yes, there absolutely is, but it's go as fast

548
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: as you can and don't hit any rails. And what

549
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 3: you're saying is that's what powerlifting is, like it takes

550
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 3: all the judgments, like just lift in three different disciplines.

551
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: Just lift as much weight as you can.

552
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, okay. Like how much of a subculture.

553
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: How how popular it is powerlifting in comparison, because I

554
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: we don't hear anything about powerlifting we do about bodybuilding. Yeah,

555
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 3: how popular is powerlifting internationally?

556
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 4: It's actually very big international. So powerlifting has I'm not

557
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 4: sure if it's still the same, but they have a

558
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 4: So they have where you have your local competitions, do

559
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: you have your state level competitions, and you have your

560
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 4: national do you have your international international? I think that

561
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 4: they take the best lifters from every single country and

562
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 4: they all go compete and they basically just who has

563
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 4: the biggest total. Now that parloating used to be in

564
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 4: the Olympics. It used to be actually an Olympic Now

565
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 4: it's in the Olympic Games, but it used to be

566
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 4: in the Olympics. I believe there was some drug testing

567
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 4: controversy because the Olympics are very strict, so guys are

568
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: getting caught. They were getting popped for using and then

569
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 4: they ended up banning it. But now, as far as

570
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 4: like culture, you not, the State's bodybuilding is obviously bigger.

571
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 4: It's just more of a freak show. And I think

572
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: the entertainment value of watching a bodybuilding competition is much easier.

573
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 4: It's only going to be like an hour or two

574
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 4: powerlifting that like some of those meats, man, those things

575
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 4: can be like five or six hours long, and it

576
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 4: never really put like the production value into it. So

577
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 4: you have to be really into the sport to actually

578
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 4: like watch and consume the content. But every time the

579
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 4: massive lift happens, it goes everywhere. It goes viral and

580
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 4: Bleacher Report, ESPN, all that kind of stuff.

581
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: No question.

582
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 3: Okay, so what are you eating? What is a diet

583
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 3: of a powerlifter.

584
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: Like, it's called a seafood diet. So everything you see

585
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 4: you eat, you do have to gain weight. So like aig,

586
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 4: a bigger guy has more leverage, he's gonna lift more weight.

587
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 4: So it's encouraging for you to especially if you're at

588
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 4: the bottom en of your weight class to just eat

589
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 4: more to get to the top end of it. So

590
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 4: it's not as strict and as rigid as like a

591
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 4: bodybuilding diet. That's that's wildly different, but piloting diet essentially,

592
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 4: you're trying to get plenty of protein, lots of carbohydrates,

593
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 4: lots of lots of carbs, and a little bit more

594
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 4: fat than what you would traditionally get on a bodybuilding diet,

595
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: and you get a lot of a lot more cheap mills.

596
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 4: Like I would say, like a piloting diet. When done correctly,

597
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 4: you probably eat like two to three cheat meals per week,

598
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 4: so you get you're always in a chloric star. Plus

599
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 4: you're not really suffering, so you feel very good going

600
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: into competition.

601
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: The common perception is eating whatever you want.

602
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: You just eat a ton of food and a lot

603
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: of protein, and you're taking all those drugs anyway, so

604
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: all that fat burns off and you have these games.

605
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: What's the reality to what's a bodybuilding diet?

606
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, bots of bodybuilding. This is the common misconception of bodybuilding.

607
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: Bodybuilding is ninety percent genetics. Ninety percent genetics. You can

608
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 4: give a Joe Smoe off the street, every single stereo

609
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 4: under the sun and pump them to the gills. But

610
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 4: he probably won't even win a local competition because it's ninety.

611
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 4: It's kind of like, there's a reason why Lebron James

612
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: is Lebron James. He's six ' nine two point fifty

613
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 4: at his best ran I think like a four to

614
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 4: four forty and has like a forty forty plus introvertical

615
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 4: whatever he ask like you, that's just what his makeup is.

616
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 4: Same thing with guys in body building, and the top

617
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 4: guys that are always going to compete at a high

618
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: level are it's genetics. But then after that, yeah, the

619
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: drugs are a big part of it because you have

620
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 4: to take that in order to enhance what you already have.

621
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: That's all. That's all it's going to do. But the

622
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 4: diet is is really like the thing that separates people.

623
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Speaker 4: When I nailed down the diet when I was in

624
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 4: my early twenties, that felt like getting on like anabolics,

625
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 4: like that was the hugest thing.

626
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: Okay, so you so you wake up in the morning,

627
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: wake up in the morning, give me give me this

628
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: as your your bodybuilding yep.

629
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: Okay, wake up in the morning.

630
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 4: What time, yep, So wake up in the morning, eight

631
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: egg whites, two whole eggs, two slices of ezekiel bread,

632
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 4: about a cup of oat meal, and maybe like a

633
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: little bit of like blueberry sprinkling on top of that.

634
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 4: That would be the breakfast. You're coming back about two

635
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: to four hours later, usually about four hours later, and

636
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: you're having eight ounces eight to ten ounces of chicken

637
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 4: breast with like a sweet potato and then like a

638
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 4: side of vegetables. Then another repeat that for meal three

639
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 4: after you get done on training, protein shake about fifty

640
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 4: grands of protein, and then for the last meal of

641
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: the day is either going to be like salmon or

642
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 4: steak with a rice and a vegetable. So all in all,

643
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 4: it's that that's pretty much like what the meals. That's

644
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 4: what my diet looked like getting ready for a competition.

645
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 4: And I'll have one day per week where those meals

646
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 4: would the protein sources would stay the same, but the

647
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: carbohydrates would double, so the carbs would be called a

648
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 4: refeed day, carbs would go like twice as much. And yeah,

649
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 4: you have to do that for about twelve twenty weeks.

650
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: At a time.

651
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: Why do you live up in the carbons one day with.

652
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, the science behind the theory really about to the

653
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 4: reef your day is that it helps to stimulate more

654
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 4: fat burning hormones and also it's gonna help to replenish

655
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 4: glycogen store. So that's like where the store carbohydrates are

656
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 4: withinside of the muscles, so that that's so like when

657
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: you get lean, you don't have that stringy look your

658
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 4: your muscles are pumped, they're around, they're full, they're vascular.

659
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 4: You want to kind of when you're dieting. You think

660
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: of it like landing in an airplane. If you come

661
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 4: down too fast, it's gonna crash. You're gonna look like

662
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 4: shit on stage. But if you come down nice and

663
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 4: slow and you're you're you're really you know, moderating everything,

664
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 4: you're gonna you're gonna look even bigger than you were

665
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 4: twenty thirty or forty pounds ago. That's how you die

666
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: it correctly. You should look bigger as you come down.

667
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: Wow. That sounds crazy expensive, by the way.

668
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: It's actually not. You know, when you buy in bulk

669
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 4: and you buy boring food like chicken, steak, rice, salmon,

670
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: it's actually really relatively inexpensive. I remember in college I

671
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 4: was able to, you know, because that's when I turned pro.

672
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: I was eating. My weekly budget for groceries was anywhere

673
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: between eighty and one hundred and twenty bucks. Really really cheap.

674
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: So for especially for consuming that much food, It's just

675
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: like when you get into the middle of the store

676
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 4: in a grocery store. That's where stuff gets expensive because

677
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 4: you're not getting a whole lot of value out of

678
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: the servings that they're actually giving you. When you're buying

679
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 4: like five pounds of chicken breasts bro that was like

680
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 4: I remember it was like eight bucks, nine bucks when

681
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 4: I was in college for five pounds it's a lot

682
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 4: of food, you know. And then a bag of rice.

683
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: What is a bag of rice? Bag of rice is

684
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: like three four five bucks for like a huge bag

685
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 4: of rice that could last you for two three weeks.

686
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 4: Really cheap.

687
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: Why'd you stop? Power level?

688
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: Ah? Yeah, no money in it, you know. Like uh,

689
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 4: I was so I remember Raw Nationals, which is the

690
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 4: national level pilatin competition. I believe it was twenty seventeen.

691
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 4: I was watching it. There was a guy there that's

692
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 4: a lot at one thousand pounds and went everywhere. It

693
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 4: was on all across social media. Couldn't get it off

694
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: my feed. Multiple people took the image of him doing

695
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: that and use it to sell you know, equipment, different gear, apparel,

696
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 4: whatever it was. And the amount of money that that

697
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 4: guy got from that was zero dollars. Because the Federation

698
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 4: makes you sign over the rights to any type of

699
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 4: media that is taken while you're in competition, and they

700
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 4: own it, so they could sell stuff for your likeness

701
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 4: or whatever cool things that you do while you're like

702
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 4: whatever awesome feats of strength you do on stage, they

703
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 4: could sell that, but you don't get any return on it.

704
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 4: So when I saw that, I was just like, yeah,

705
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: this is kind of like. I love the sport. I

706
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 4: love the the the challenge of it. I love competing,

707
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: but if I'm going to dedicate my body and my

708
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 4: energy and my mind for that much like time to something,

709
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: it's got to be an ROI positive activity. So happy

710
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 4: that I did it, like I love it. I learned

711
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: so much from it that's helped me in many different ways.

712
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 4: But it just didn't make sense economically like to do

713
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 4: something like that because essentially you're a pro athlete, but

714
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 4: you're not getting paid like.

715
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: One's that is therein lies the rub.

716
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: There definitely lies the rub. Okay.

717
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 3: So so how'd you decide to make money?

718
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 4: Yeah? So during this time period, I had actually gotten

719
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 4: to what I'm doing now in my early twenties when

720
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 4: I started coaching people, and that for me was a

721
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 4: really fulfilling journey because it was essentially me being able

722
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: to do the same thing for others of which I've

723
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 4: done for myself through the process. Because yeah, while be it,

724
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 4: a lot of the stuff that goes on with a

725
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: transformation is physical, like that's what people see on the outside,

726
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: but the most reroording thing is actually what happens mentally,

727
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: and I you know, a lot of people in the

728
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 4: industry as a whole tends to miss that. It's really

729
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 4: just focused on the the visual aspect of things, which

730
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 4: I think is it can be quite shallow. But I

731
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 4: marry the two, so I focus on the mindset and

732
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 4: the physical side of things. So, uh, that's why I

733
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 4: started doing in my early twenties. It really took off

734
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 4: after I turned pro that I moved out to Los

735
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 4: Angeles and that's where things really really shot off and

736
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 4: then got into what I'm doing now with with with

737
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 4: T three. So yeah, that's how I Also, I make

738
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 4: my living. I make I'm very fortunate make a really

739
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 4: good living doing so, and it's very very fulfilling and

740
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: very rewarding for me.

741
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 3: Well, so what you do this different than other people

742
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 3: is it's a it's a it's the term I think

743
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 3: it's when it's not just about working out right, it's

744
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: like a holistic approach. Right, there's a mental aspect of it,

745
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 3: which with reading as well as your diet as well

746
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: as your workouts. How did you how'd you become aware

747
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: that the mental aspect was such a huge element to.

748
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: It, because that was the thing that enabled me to

749
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 4: reach my highest potential when I was a young man

750
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 4: was not being mentally aligned in harmony with the things

751
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 4: that I wanted in life. And the reason why I

752
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 4: wasn't because there was a lot of shortcomings and a

753
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 4: lot of inadequacies which I had within myself. So in

754
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: order to actually get and acquire those things I wanted

755
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 4: all of life, first I had to work on those

756
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 4: inadequacies in my shortcomings and get in harmony with those things.

757
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 4: And then it's just a it's not if if you're

758
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 4: going to get it, it's just when it pulls it

759
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: towards you, you're more attractive, like it attracts towards you.

760
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 4: So that's where I did that, because ultimately I got

761
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 4: into the sport of bodybuilding because I was depressed U

762
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: because I didn't feel so great about myself. So I

763
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 4: use it as a tool to help build myself back up.

764
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 4: And then from there it was okay, what, like, what

765
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 4: was the reason why I did not get to the

766
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: next level of basketball? Because I wanted to be a

767
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 4: professional basketball player, Like that was my dream growing up

768
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 4: as a kid. And yeah, you can probably say, like,

769
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not six six or whatever and all

770
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 4: this kind of stuff, But to me that that's just that,

771
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 4: that's kind of like it's kicking the blame off. And

772
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 4: I don't think you. I don't think winners do that.

773
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 4: I don't think you get very far doing that. What

774
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 4: I had come to found it was a shortcoming of

775
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 4: my mentality. It was a shortcoming in me not assessing

776
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 4: my weaknesses and working on them, and it was it

777
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 4: was a shortcoming in my work ethic. So those are

778
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: things that I took now today and I'm like, Okay,

779
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 4: never again will I ever be in that position where

780
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 4: if I have an opportunity to maximize on my potential

781
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 4: on something, then I'm going to fall short of that.

782
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 4: Uh So, yeah, that's kind of like how I how

783
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 4: I got to that. That whole thing is you know,

784
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 4: a lot. You know, people want things out of life,

785
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 4: whether it be more money, more muscles, better relationship, more

786
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 4: mental and cognitive strength, whatever it may be. And first

787
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 4: we must look inside to see, okay, like what like

788
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 4: where are my shortcomings? Like what are the things I

789
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: need to work on actually get these things? And am

790
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 4: I in harmony with those things? So if you're in

791
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: harmony with it, it's gonna come to you.

792
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: What of the challenges of kind of this era obviously, like, look,

793
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: there's some really good challenges, right COVID I think provided a.

794
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: Lot more where.

795
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: You know, doing online coaching became very very normal and

796
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: people started to work out more at home. On the

797
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: other hand, as you pointed out, like people's mentalities have

798
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: changed and there's you know, some approaches don't work anymore.

799
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: What's what are the inherent challenges of doing this in

800
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 3: two thousands doing what you do in twenty twenty four.

801
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 4: That's a good question. There's no challenges I could really

802
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 4: think of off the bat, uh that I could really

803
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: come to because I I think that the way at

804
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 4: least that question is coming across to me is like

805
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 4: what limitations are there? And I don't really see Yeah yeah,

806
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 4: I don't really like.

807
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: Like all of our jobs and again maybe all of

808
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: our jobs have changed in the last couple of years, right,

809
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: some for the better, some for the worse.

810
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 2: You know, Like again, were you like you and I were.

811
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 3: Doing this on Zoom? Who did this stuff on Zoom

812
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 3: before COVID? Right, I'm sure it existed, nobody knew and

813
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 3: who definitely wasn't a fall back up. I'm just wondering

814
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: what's changed in this coaching industry for better or for

815
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: worse in the past couple of years.

816
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 4: Ah okay, so like the industry as.

817
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: A whole, uh or for you, for you and your business?

818
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so for me. So for me, I think

819
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 4: the business evolved because I evolved when I was in

820
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: Los Angeles and I was working with people like one

821
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 4: on one, like a very few, select elite group of people.

822
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 4: The thing that I fund that actually made them successful

823
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 4: when it came to fitness was these interactions. It wasn't

824
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 4: actually the x's and o's of the training because like

825
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 4: if if if so, for instance, if somebody's mental shit

826
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 4: is not altogether, if their life is in scrambles to

827
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: like like like their emotional life, their relationship life and

828
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 4: everything like that, and they don't have a really good

829
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: self image, that's a lot of shit out just throughout you.

830
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 4: But like, let's just say like all those things exist, right,

831
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 4: There's no fucking way they're going to stick to a

832
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: diet and a training program. Even if a trainer comes

833
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 4: and pulls their ass out of bed, force them to

834
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: go do the gym, forces them do the reps, They're

835
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 4: gonna fucking fail. So the thing that has to be

836
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 4: fixed is their fucking life entirely. So the thing that

837
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 4: I found was like, okay, cool, we got to build

838
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 4: up your self image first. Your self image is how

839
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 4: you see yourself. Do you love yourself? Do you like yourself?

840
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 4: Because if you really do, and that's fucking true, you're

841
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 4: not lying yourself about it. You're gonna treat yourself like

842
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 4: somebody that that you love. So like, for ins is, Doug,

843
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 4: would you do something amazing for your daughters? Like would

844
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 4: you give them the world? Would you make sure that

845
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 4: they have a safe would you make sure? Absolutely? Because

846
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 4: why you love them? Right? So, when somebody is out

847
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: of shape, treating their body like shit, not going to

848
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: the gym, not working out, that is a sign of

849
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 4: a lack of self love. You don't love yourself. I

850
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 4: don't care abou don't give a fuck how many rolex

851
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: did you put on your fucking wrist. I don't care

852
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 4: about what the car you're driving your driveway doesn't mean

853
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: shit like it's it's it's a compensation. So we have

854
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 4: to actually go down to the root calls of why

855
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 4: is there a lack of self love? We have to

856
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 4: fix that. We have to have those tough conversations with

857
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 4: ourself and once that gets fixed, then it's a lot

858
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: easier to give yourself the best of things in life.

859
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 4: So when I was doing, like, you know, like all

860
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: those transformations and change people's lives to the one on

861
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 4: one person, I was like, yeah, like giving you all

862
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 4: the shit that die all that time, Yeah, that matters,

863
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: but it's not the most important thing. The most important

864
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 4: think it's fixing this up here. Once that gets fixed,

865
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: it's like light speed to your goals because that internal

866
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: friction isn't there anymore. You stop getting in your own

867
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Speaker 4: fucking way, You stop making excuses because you're like, I

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Speaker 4: actually want to give myself a great fucking body, because

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Speaker 4: I deserve this shit. I actually want to give myself

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Speaker 4: the easy fucking life. That's amazing, because I deserve this shit.

871
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Speaker 4: A lot of our problems we fucking cause them. We

872
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 4: cause them. It's not the world. So we have to

873
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 4: fix ourselves. We want our problems to go away. It's

874
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Speaker 4: as opposed to blaming everybody else.

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Speaker 1: I want to.

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Speaker 3: I want to do a part two upcoming, but I

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Speaker 3: got to cut it right now at part one. If

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00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 3: somebody wants to get a hold of you, if somebody

879
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Speaker 3: wants to begin the process of fixing their shit, how

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Speaker 3: they do it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the easiest way to get in contact with me

882
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Speaker 4: is on Instagram coach JC White, or they can go

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Speaker 4: to T three body training dot com. But the easiest

884
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Speaker 4: ways is to hit me there in box me. We'll

885
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 4: have a conversation back and forth, and then we'll hop

886
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Speaker 4: on a call and we'll see if I can even help.

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Speaker 4: You know, I like to, you know, we like to

888
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Speaker 4: go through a process with anybody who's interested to make

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Speaker 4: sure that we actually can help them and they're a

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Speaker 4: good fit. And if they are, then we'll get rock

891
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Speaker 4: and roller.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's what I want.

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Speaker 3: Here's your Homer project for the next time, because you

894
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Speaker 3: always give me a homework, right, homer project is okay?

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Speaker 2: For a young athlete, hey, how can you.

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Speaker 3: How can you start the process of like you said,

897
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Speaker 3: it's like self love, but also understanding how to kind

898
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Speaker 3: of change your guet change your body at a younger age.

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Speaker 3: How do you how do we do that? What would

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Speaker 3: if you were to advise you're a coach, which you are,

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Speaker 3: but like a basketball coach or a football coach to

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Speaker 3: advise a young athlete, how do you get through to them?

903
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Speaker 3: And how do you start to change what they eat

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Speaker 3: and how they mentally see themselves. That's your Homer project

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Speaker 3: and then we'll get to that next time.

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Speaker 2: Is that cool?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? For sure. So essentially, let's just do a case study.

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Speaker 4: So we got a fifteen year old kid, he plays

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Speaker 4: football or basketball and he is not great. How do

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Speaker 4: we get him to start to get on the diet

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Speaker 4: and take that more seriously so that he can get

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Speaker 4: to the next level?

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Speaker 1: Correct? Cool?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 4: Cool? Yeah? I got the answers, But I'll say it

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Speaker 4: for next time.

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Speaker 1: I know you do. All right, we'll talk shit right.

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Speaker 4: All sounds good, brother?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, that's Part one of J C. White.

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Speaker 3: What we're going to do is we'll work in Part

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Speaker 3: two upcoming, which is more kind of putting together a plan,

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Speaker 3: and especially with spring and summer upon us, it's a

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Speaker 3: pretty good way to have just kind of a rough plan.

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Speaker 3: And I think most people believe they know, you know,

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Speaker 3: how to change their body and how to change their mentality,

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Speaker 3: but actually doing it, executing it, and how to think

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Speaker 3: through it.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that in Part two with JC White.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, I'm Doug Gottlieb, and make sure you

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Speaker 3: download the Doug Gottlieb Show Daily podcast. It's a radio

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Speaker 3: show and a one hour podcast. Just I've been Doug Gottlieb.

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Speaker 3: We ever got this one, you can probably get it

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Speaker 3: as well. Mentime, thanks to much the JC Dan Panaman

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Speaker 3: Part two is coming up.

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Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottlieve. This is all ball

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