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Speaker 1: Okay, uh. One hot topic right now is UH, you

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years, the little guy's fucked. And

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Speaker 1: I think when you look at the power or the

429
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Speaker 1: playoffs in college football in the final twelve, it's going

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Speaker 1: to consistently be the same teams and the same group

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Speaker 1: of let's say, I don't know, fifteen eighteen teams year

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Speaker 1: after year after year. The only reason they allowed Boise

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Speaker 1: that represented the non Power four to be in the

434
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Speaker 1: playoffs the highest rated non power forward team moving forward

435
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: is so they didn't get sued. They actually don't want

436
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Speaker 1: that team there. But it's always going to be Ohio State, Michigan, Bama, LSU, Georgia, Texas, right, Oregon,

437
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Speaker 1: Washington SC. It's going to be the same group of

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Speaker 1: teams with the occasional random from one of those conferences

439
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: like this year, ASU next year could be Oklahoma State,

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Speaker 1: but whatever, they're going to keep it in the family.

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Speaker 1: And the reason is when I was I'll never forget

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Speaker 1: I had been at Fresno State for a couple months.

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Speaker 1: I got there in the summer after I graduated from

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Speaker 1: school and then basically training camp. Hits and Boom were

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Speaker 1: just playing the season, and I remember thinking it was

446
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Speaker 1: so cool going to meetings and just like got it.

447
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: I kind of made it like this is badass. Going

448
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Speaker 1: from cal Paly. It felt like I was in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And either our second game of the season or third

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Speaker 1: game of the season, we were playing UCLA and Pat Hill,

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Speaker 1: the coach, then walked into the meeting room. He was

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Speaker 1: really good, I would say, addressing the team and just

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Speaker 1: on Sunday leading, you know, because NFL Sunday is like

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Speaker 1: the or the college football Sunday is the equivalent of

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Speaker 1: an NFL Sunday or Monday or Tuesday. When that when

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Speaker 1: you address the team about the future opponent and you

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Speaker 1: kind of go over the previous game because you just

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Speaker 1: played on Saturday. And I remember we were about to

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Speaker 1: play UCLA. Who's Rick Neuheisel was the coach, and Coach

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Speaker 1: Hill looked at, you know, the entire room and the

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Speaker 1: majority of kids on the team. I would say at

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Speaker 1: that time, probably close to ninety five plus percent, maybe

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Speaker 1: like ninety eight ninety nine percent of the kids were

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Speaker 1: from California and probably half the kids on the team

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Speaker 1: were either from southern California or somewhere in the Central

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Speaker 1: Valley Fresno South. And he said, raise your hand if

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Speaker 1: UCLA offered you a scholarship, and like Ryan Matthews raised

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Speaker 1: his hand, and maybe like one other guy. So in

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Speaker 1: a room full of one hundred guys, and at the time,

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Speaker 1: we were a top twenty five team, and like two

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Speaker 1: or three guys raised their hand. And so when you

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Speaker 1: think about these pros when they're even if the NIL

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Speaker 1: didn't exist, what really changed the game is the transfer

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Speaker 1: portal allowed guys to switch schools without having to sit out.

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Speaker 1: So like Ashton genty last year, he's an outlier. When

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Speaker 1: I was at Fresno, Boise State was a power And

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Speaker 1: by the time Kellen Moore's class of guys were NFL

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Speaker 1: eligible and we're all gonna go to the draft, I

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Speaker 1: think eleven or twelve of his senior years starting twenty

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Speaker 1: two got drafted. Well, what are the chances in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five that those guys would have lasted that long?

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Speaker 1: They would have been offered scholarships to places they were

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Speaker 1: never offered scholarships to. And let's face it when Coach

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Speaker 1: Hill goes, how many of you in this room were

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Speaker 1: offered to UCLA and only three people had raised their hand. Well,

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Speaker 1: if fifty guys in the room had actually been offered

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Speaker 1: scholarships to UCLA, guess what. Those guys wouldn't have been

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Speaker 1: a form state. So I think we talked so much

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Speaker 1: about oh, they're giving him money to leave. Well, if

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Speaker 1: I'm at Boise State, if I'm at Fresno State. Hell,

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Speaker 1: if I'm at Texas Tech or Minnesota in Oklahoma or

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Speaker 1: Texas come calling, or Ohio State or Michigan come calling,

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Speaker 1: or Oregon or usc come calling, I would have transferred

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Speaker 1: even if they're not paying me, because I would have

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Speaker 1: probably gone to school there if they would have offered

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Speaker 1: me a scholarship out of high school that never existed

497
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Speaker 1: because it wasn't worth. Steph Curry once he becomes a

498
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Speaker 1: superstar in College of Davison to transfer to Duke because

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Speaker 1: he would have had to sit out. Somehow, I ended

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Speaker 1: up on Gary Payton's Wikipedia page. For those of you

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Speaker 1: that don't know. If you're younger, Gary Payton was like

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Speaker 1: easily one of the biggest stars of the nineties, you

503
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Speaker 1: probably saw him on the Michael Jordan documentary made him

504
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: look kind of bad, but Gary Payton was a badass.

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Speaker 1: He went to Oregon State, and while he was at

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Speaker 1: Oregon State, he was like the three time Pac ten

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Speaker 1: Player of the Year. By the time he's like a junior,

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Speaker 1: he said, consisses all American. He's one of the best

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Speaker 1: players in the country at Oregon State. So he a

510
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Speaker 1: lot like Steph Curry. It's clear one of the best

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Speaker 1: players in the country at this little school. Well in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, maybe Gary Payton, because not every guy

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Speaker 1: is mature enough to go play for Nick Saban or

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Speaker 1: John Calipari or coach k or Kirby Smart. Some guys

515
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Speaker 1: take a year or two to develop college football or basketball,

516
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: and by the time they're a freshman or a sophomore,

517
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Speaker 1: kind of pops and they look like damn like Ryan

518
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Speaker 1: Matthews look like an NFL running back when he was

519
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Speaker 1: sixteen years old. Some guys like Ashing Genty, it takes

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00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: him a couple of years and then by the time

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Speaker 1: you're a sophomore, you're like, holy shit, this guy's one

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Speaker 1: of the best players in the country. It is just

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Speaker 1: very difficult when you're at a smaller place and someone

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Speaker 1: calls you and says, hey, we want you to be

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Speaker 1: the starter at Oregon and you're playing at San Diego

526
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Speaker 1: State for them not to say at least be very interested,

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Speaker 1: and then when you factor in the money, it's borderline

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Speaker 1: impossible to say no. I think we have seen two

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Speaker 1: recent examples in Genty and in Drake May that are

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Speaker 1: complete outlier situations for the most part. Moving forward, when

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Speaker 1: you get guys like second and third tier programs get

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Speaker 1: offered by the top ten programs in the country, they're

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Speaker 1: going to say yes every single time. Because if Drake May,

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Speaker 1: and I think he actually kind of was recruited by

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban out of high school, he's probably a bad example.

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Speaker 1: But Genty definitely had been offered by Texas or Ohio

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00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: State or Alabama or Georgia out of high school. Guess

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00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: what Ash Genty wouldn't have been at Boise State. And

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00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: the only difference in basketball is so many of the

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00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: quote unquote NBA prospects only last a year and maybe two.

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Speaker 1: But if it had been when I was growing up,

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Speaker 1: and the guys would legitimately stay two or three years.

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Speaker 1: Anyone at a quote unquote smaller school i e. Gary

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Speaker 1: Payton Oregon State, it wouldn't have happened. Why Leonard Paul

545
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: George at San Diego State and Fresno State would have

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Speaker 1: lasted there six months and they would have been gone.

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Speaker 1: So I think we spend so much time talking about

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Speaker 1: the money, and obviously that is what gets the deal done.

549
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Speaker 1: But the transfer portal up until the last couple of

550
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Speaker 1: years didn't exist like it does now. You can just

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Speaker 1: transfer and play immediately. That's a game changer. One other

552
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: thing I've seen a lot of people I don't really

553
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Speaker 1: care about college basketball. I gamble on it during the

554
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Speaker 1: you know, during the tournament, but it's not like I

555
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: watched it during the season. But you just, you know,

556
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm on social media enough I see the big stories

557
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: and what matters, and obviously, like I'm sure anyone listening

558
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Speaker 1: to this saw some of the clips of Dan Hurley

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Speaker 1: just I mean, over the course of the year, he's

560
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: had some comments called himself the best fucking coach in America,

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Speaker 1: and everyone freaked out about that. During the season, I

562
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Speaker 1: think they weren't getting calls. I mean, he did just

563
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Speaker 1: win back to back national championships, then he storms off

564
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: the court this week and he like, Baylor's about to

565
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Speaker 1: take the court and he says like, hopefully you guys

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Speaker 1: don't get just grewed by the refs. I think he

567
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: dropped a couple left bombs, like we just did. And

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00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: basically everyone that talks about sports now is calling him

569
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: a douchebag and saying that he needs to calm down,

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00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: and he's just he's just a loser essentially, even though

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00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: again he's won back to back national championships. If this

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Speaker 1: was the NFL, I would agree. And when Sirianni did

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Speaker 1: some of his stuff a couple of years ago, his

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00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: antics even this year when he was like screaming at

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Speaker 1: the fans, I think it turned a lot of people off,

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Speaker 1: including myself and even Sirianni. I think would have to

577
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: be the first to tell you, like, it's a bad look.

578
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: But in college, like your coaches need to be the

579
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Speaker 1: stars because the players don't stay there that long, even

580
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: in football, where it's mandated that you stay three years.

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00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: Think of all the superstar players Nick Saban had over

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Speaker 1: the last fifteen plus years. I could probably list twenty

583
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: five first rounders off the top of my head with ease.

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Speaker 1: Potentially like thirty or forty at the long longest they

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Speaker 1: ever stayed was three seasons. Nick Saban was their seventeen coach.

586
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: K coached for like forty to fifty years. Same thing

587
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: with Jim Beayhunt. The coaches in college sports are your

588
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: stars in the pros. The difference is Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Belichick,

589
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, Sean Payton. These guys are really famous and

590
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: they make a lot of money, but they aren't even

591
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: remotely close to his famous as these superstar players Peyton Manning,

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00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, you name it. Why cause those

593
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: players are in the league for fifteen years, two decades,

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00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: a long time. So when you look at college like,

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00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: I need some big personalities as coaches. That's the way

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Speaker 1: the business works. I'm glad Dan Hurley is a nut job.

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00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: You know what? We need more nut jobs at coach

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00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: in football and in basketball. They are the big personalities. So, like,

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Speaker 1: I understand people being turned off by it. I don't

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00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: really care. But if you don't understand the importance of

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Speaker 1: having some crazies who are great, right, if you're just

602
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: crazy and not winning, no one cares. This guy just

603
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: went on one of the greatest two year runs in

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Speaker 1: the history of the sport. And I promise you this,

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00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: like they ain't gonna be down for long. And here's

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00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: the other thing. They were towed to toe with Florida

607
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: that many consider, beside Duke, the best team in the tournament.

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Speaker 1: So I like Dan Hurley. I find him enjoyable. Last,

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Speaker 1: but not least, CBS made a change. Well today jim Nantz,

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Speaker 1: he announced. I just saw the headline. I'm like, WHOA,

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Speaker 1: jim Nantz is gonna quit the Masters in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: I just got out of the steam room. I'm just soaking.

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00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: There's this chair outside of the steam room. I try

614
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: to sit there for like five minutes with like a

615
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: little after a little executive workout, and just sweat out

616
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: on my toxins in the sauna. You know, they say,

617
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: like for big health benefits, you stay in thirty minutes.

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00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean, once you get to like fifteen sixteen seventeen

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Speaker 1: minutes at one hundred and eighty degrees, it takes a

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Speaker 1: mental fortitude to last in there. I try to make

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Speaker 1: it like twenty and I'm scrolling, not proud, but scrolling,

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Speaker 1: And I see jim Nantz. He's gonna retire from calling

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Speaker 1: the Masters, so that probably means if he's not calling

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Speaker 1: the Masters, he's definitely not gonna be calling NFL games.

625
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: Like how much long? We only got Jim nance till

626
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six? And then I did a double take.

627
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: Jim Nantz is going to retire in twenty thirty six,

628
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: so he's given us essentially like eleven year ten plus

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Speaker 1: more years of NFL seasons and then one extra Master,

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00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: so we got some time. Jim just wanted to let

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Speaker 1: everyone know we got a decade plus then I'm gonna retires.

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00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: Thanks big Jim. But CBS, let's face, it can be

633
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: a little stiffer. It's not exactly I would say Fox

634
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: is the more riskue network definitely allows you to push

635
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: a little more, push some envelopes and just feels a

636
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: little edgier CBS when you just just in terms of

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00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: their coverage of NFL, of college football, of golf, it's

638
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: just a little tighter now. I think as time goes

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00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: on and management changes, maybe maybe they can loosen up

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00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I would say definitely it's the

641
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: conservative side when it comes to sports. And JJ Watt,

642
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: who I actually think has done an incredible personality pivot

643
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: over the course the last five or six years. I

644
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: remember early on, I remember the part of my take

645
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: guys used to rip them and he just felt a

646
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: little douchey. And he's even gone on them and like

647
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: laughs about it now. And I've seen watch some interviews

648
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: with him with McAfee. Just seems like he's lightened up

649
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: a lot and seems like a very enjoyable guy. And

650
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: I think these jobs, and I totally understand CBS. You

651
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: always got to be every ten, fifteen, twenty years, kind

652
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: of got to rotate some new blood in, and lately

653
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: they've done some of that right, getting Matt Ryan involved,

654
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: getting JJ Watt involved, and listen, I totally understand big

655
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: names and want to get some stardom involved. And it's

656
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: cool you get the number two job at CBS. If

657
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: you're JJ Watt, you're gonna be calling games, uh that

658
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: millions of people are gonna be watching. I mean, you're

659
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: gonna be calling Chiefs games. You're gonna be calling Bill's games.

660
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna be calling Ravens games and Steeler games and

661
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: Raider Charger game. I mean, you're gonna be doing some

662
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: big games in the AFC, So congratulations to him. It's

663
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: gonna be cool. I do think they're one thing I

664
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: think we really yearn for and just society now is authenticity.

665
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: And I do think it has been difficult for some

666
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: of these Like I knew JJ or Drew Brees was

667
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: gonna be bad. I'm like, he's just not gonna be

668
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: able to do it. I don't want to say I

669
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: saw Brady coming from a mile away, but early on

670
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: it was clear, like it's really hard for him to

671
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: pivot from like corporate Brady on the camera to like

672
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: what Brady's like just kind of hanging it. And maybe

673
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: that's kind of morphed into the same guy, but it's

674
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: just kind of gone, and it's just kind of weird,

675
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: you know. And it's very difficult for these guys to

676
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: kind of be entertainers like John Madden or John Gruden

677
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: because they're just they're just not that's not really their thing.

678
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: But they are so close to so many players because

679
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: they're recently retired and they know so many coaches. Is

680
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: like they're kind of hesitant to do to Troy Aikman,

681
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: which I think most of us on the couch when

682
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: we're watching our team when we're playing fantasy, when we're gambling.

683
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: I mean, a huge reason the NFL is king by

684
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: a mile is because of the consumer. Like we get

685
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: animated and we get worked up. And I've never been like,

686
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: if a guy fumbles, like people fumble, if a guy

687
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: drops the ball, guy drops the ball like it's it's football.

688
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: It's hard, but I think sometimes they're very hesitant to

689
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: be critical of pretty basic things. It's why I think

690
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman is really separated from the pack at I

691
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: don't know how old Troy is now, but he's been

692
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: doing this for multiple decades, and whatever Tony Romo got paid,

693
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: it clearly lit a fire under his ass, and Troy

694
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: will just let it rip. And honestly, I think it's

695
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: very relatable as just like he's saying what I would

696
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: be saying on my couch. And I just hope these

697
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: guys and strike a balance because I think it allows

698
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: you to be much better when you can just be

699
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: real about what you're watching, because that's how they would

700
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: talk when the camera was off, if they were just

701
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: watching the game with their buddy, if they were just

702
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: watching the game with their former teammates, if they were

703
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: just having a beer, you know, watching Monday night football.

704
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: That's how they would talk. Yet when the camera comes on,

705
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: they act like a completely different person. So I just

706
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: hope he can strike some balance of just like it's okay,

707
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to shit on everybody every day every time,

708
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: Like that's not That's not what I'm trying to say.

709
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: But I think there's just this like over emphasis on,

710
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna say anything bad about anybody. We're

711
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: gonna try to keep a glass half full, positive outlook

712
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: on the whole thing. It's like, that's not how people

713
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: talk when they watch the game. And back to football

714
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: being so popular, like every single person I watch a

715
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: game with or have over the course of my adult life,

716
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: we all end up kind of having the same conversations

717
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: like what the fuck is that coach doing? What a

718
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: terrible play call? That's how the people that are providing

719
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: all the money sitting on their couch talk. Yet it's

720
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: very rare to hear people on television talking like that

721
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: because like, way, I see what he could have done there,

722
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: you know you might want it to It's like no,

723
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: come on, man, So I'm just I'm rooting for JJ

724
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: and listen I'm not expecting him to just come out

725
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: the gates, guns blazing, blastom people. But I think we

726
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: need more of people that are just willing to talk

727
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: like what we're all seeing, because we all see it,

728
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: and I think people are very very hesitant now to

729
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: say anything outside of the little like, ah, this is

730
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: not gonna ruffle any feathers. It's like I'd like you

731
00:39:46,680 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: to ruffle a few feathers. Okay, let's do a little

732
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: mailbag at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram

733
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: fire in those dms get your questions answered here on

734
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: the podcast just my Instagram fire In. This is a

735
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: good question from Chris. When do teams get the idea

736
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: of who they're drafting? Do they have a good sense

737
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: of a player that they want now? I think he

738
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: means like you know in March or does it really

739
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: just happen on draft day based on how the board

740
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: shakes out. Curious to hear your thoughts. Well, I think

741
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: there are three different steps. The first step is the fall,

742
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: which is kind of like internet dating or swiping right.

743
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: If you're the decision maker. The GM coaches aren't involved.

744
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: The head coach is involved in the fall, but your GM,

745
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: your assistant GM, your college director. They are watching all

746
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: the tape, especially on the top you know, one hundred,

747
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty guys, so they have a very

748
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: good idea of all the top players, how they play.

749
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: Then the all Star game format. So again like you

750
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: like people based on tape, which is the most important

751
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: thing right where the internet dating thing isn't totally analogous

752
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: because it's not just based on the looks where the

753
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: tape really matters. But you do need to get to

754
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: know the person. So once that second phase starts, which

755
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: I would call the All Star games and the combine,

756
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: you get to meet the person. So if I'm like

757
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: the West Coast or Southeast scout, I get to do

758
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: it all because I get to not only scout the

759
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: player right and see the player at practice and go

760
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: see him at games, but I might get to talk

761
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: to the player or I definitely get to talk to

762
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: the coaches. I get a much more intimate just feel

763
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 1: for the guy, so I can really kind of pound

764
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: the table by the time the before the combine even starts,

765
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: like I want this guy where the GM needs to

766
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: get to know them, and that usually happens at All

767
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: Star Games and definitely at the Combine. So the first

768
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: time if I'm a GM, if I'm willing to take

769
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: a guy at tenth overall, but I can't do it

770
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: just based on I gotta meet the player. I got

771
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: to talk to the guy, I got to get a

772
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: fuel for him. And that's when those top thirty visits happen.

773
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean they're actually just called the thirty visit because

774
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: they're not your top thirty players. You can bring any

775
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: player in, so up until you meet the guy, even

776
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: if you love the player, you wouldn't be comfortable. And

777
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: in my experience it's a long time ago, but I

778
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: would imagine the Eagles still do it. Is like any

779
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: top player that we're going to draft in the first

780
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: probably even the second round. Jeffrey Lurry would meet as well.

781
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: So I think meeting the individual is really important. But

782
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: and then once the pro day happens, maybe our assistant

783
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: coaches go work the guy out, maybe they go to

784
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: dinner or have lunch with them. Once that takes shape,

785
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: you know you really like the player, and by then

786
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: you know you would draft the player. So I would

787
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: say by the end of this month, before the meetings,

788
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: happened with the scouts to really finalize quote unquote the

789
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: draft board. I think most gms have a pretty good idea,

790
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: like based on the information they have, I would draft

791
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: this player or I would not. And there are a

792
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: lot of players that you've scouted that you go listen

793
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this before on the show, that

794
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: you like the player a lot, but he has red

795
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: flags in his past that are just non negotiables for you,

796
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: or you're not willing to take that chance. So I

797
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: think that's a fine line. But I would say, well,

798
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: before the draft, you know if you would or will

799
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: not draft a certain player. Now, when you're like the Bills,

800
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: you don't know who like as of the day, you

801
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: have no maybe a little idea, but not a strong,

802
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: strong indication of who's going to be where when. So

803
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: when you're drafting in the twenties, a lot of stuff's

804
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: out of your control. You need the next month of

805
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: meetings to take place, do some like information gathering to

806
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: have a feel for do I need to trade up,

807
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: can I wait if I love a guy or are

808
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: we cool with trading back? You got to find out

809
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: what your options are. So I think beside the top Like,

810
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: if you're drafting in the top ten, you got a

811
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: pretty good idea of who you want and what group

812
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: of Like if you're drafting if you're the Raiders, you're

813
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: not really going like, well, we gotta worry about Abduel,

814
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: Carter cam Ward or Travis Hunter. So you're drafting at six,

815
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: you already feel fucking very confident that three guys are

816
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: gonna be off the board, so you can go the

817
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: next group of five guys. How would we rank these

818
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: guys of three defensive guys, three offensive guys, if all

819
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: six of them were on the board, who would we take?

820
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: And then just run exercises from there. So it's much

821
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: easier to do when you're when you're drafting, you know,

822
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: in the mid to late twenties. It's much more difficult

823
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: once you get to like ten or eleven. Uh, you're

824
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: just taking pretty strong, educated guesses. So I I think

825
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: if you polled like most gms right now, because even

826
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: if you're the Bills or the Chiefs, you would have

827
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 1: a general idea of like the type guys that would

828
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: be there, and they would be like, well, if this

829
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: guy was there, we'd be more inclined to take these

830
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: positions over this position. But I think if you polled,

831
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: like right now, Pete Carroll and John Spytech, that they

832
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: could give you a decent answer, right or Ryan Poles

833
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: and Ben Johnson of like, yeah, it's probably between these

834
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: three guys, assuming they're there. I think it would be

835
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: much more difficult for you know, someone like I don't

836
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: know Sean McVeigh. It's like and where I think it

837
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: gets tough for teams in the twenties. Let's just use

838
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: this example. Let's say Sean McVay is in love with

839
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart right now, loves Jackson Dart. It's like, well, yeah,

840
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: if Jackson Dart is there, I don't even know when

841
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: they're picking. Let's I'm just gonna make up a number.

842
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm probably pretty close, twenty two, twenty one. Like he's

843
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: there at twenty one, we would highly consider him, right,

844
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: But then he's there at twenty one, but some other

845
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: guy has fallen and it's like, oh jeez, this guy

846
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: was our second rated left tackle. How do we pass

847
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: on this guy? So I just think there are a

848
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: lot of variables. A lot happens on draft night, right,

849
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: But you have a very good idea going into the

850
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: draft of obviously who you really like, and then the

851
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: different exercises you run, and then the thing that you

852
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: never quite know is and coaches and definitely gms. You know,

853
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: in any of those like team produced videos they put

854
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: up on YouTube talk about they have talked to gms

855
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: over the course of a week or two on potential trades.

856
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: But we've seen enough videos now that they get on

857
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: the horn it's like, yeah, that's we're not that interested anymore.

858
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: Or it's like, yeah, we're just gonna stay here and

859
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: take our guy because we didn't know he'd be there.

860
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: I just think there's so many variables that you just

861
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: never know, so you got to have a pretty good idea.

862
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: You know, some teams working clusters, other teams like really

863
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 1: focus on one or two guys. I remember Veach's telling

864
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: me a couple of years ago they never in a

865
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: million years thought McDuffie would like sniff the twenties. Then

866
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he was there. So it's like,

867
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: of course we liked McDuffie. We thought he'd go at

868
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: like thirteen, and then he's sitting there at what they've

869
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: traded up to, like twenty two, and then he's at

870
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: twenty two, it's like, well, let's go get him. So

871
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: you just I think sometimes things happen that you know,

872
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: I might love a player, right like say, let's say

873
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: I'm the Kyle Shanahan the Niners, and I love like

874
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: Mason Graham is my favorite player in this draft that

875
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: I think has a chance to be there. But it's like,

876
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he's actually gonna be there at eleven.

877
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, you know, the Bears pass

878
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: somehow he's there at eleven. It's like, this is insane.

879
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: We thought he would be fall no later than like seven,

880
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: and we weren't going to trade up. So I think

881
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: you just got to be prepared for a lot of things.

882
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: It's really hard. I mean, you spend so much work.

883
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: Like think, let's say you have eight picks. You spent

884
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean the amount of time that you've spent in

885
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: the fall, the combine the All Star games, this period

886
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: of time and then April with your scouts in meetings

887
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: and you have fall meetings of just talking about players

888
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: that you are never going to draft is pretty crazy.

889
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: It's like studying for a test. You have no clue

890
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: what the answers are going to be or excuse me,

891
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: the questions are going to be, but you have to

892
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: be prepared with an answer for every potential question. Now,

893
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: the difference is is, like those players in the draft,

894
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: a large percentage of them become available in three, four

895
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: or five years, some in two or three years, some

896
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: get some don't even make the team this fall. So

897
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: you got to do the work on everyone, even though

898
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: you're only going to acquire six to ten guys and

899
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: some undrafted free agents. It's a it's a crazy experience

900
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: of the amount of work that goes in with just

901
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: for a small amount of guys that actually get on

902
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 1: the team. When answering questions in a recent mail bag,

903
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: you mentioned a throw that Kaepernick made to Vernon Davis.

904
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: Whenever you recall a play that I don't immediately remember,

905
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: I usually go look it up. I agree that throw

906
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: was a dime. It was a throw against Tampa Bay

907
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: that he like threw on the run. I swear it

908
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: traveled like seventy yards in the air to Vernon running

909
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: like four two forty. Davis was absolutely concussed on the

910
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: play when he ran into the wall. Yeah, Vernon got

911
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: can cuss a couple times when Cam Chanceller once hit

912
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: him in a Seattle game. I don't even think he

913
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: was ever quite the same. Can you name some plays

914
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: that are sports core memories? My top pick will always

915
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: be Michael Vick's game winning forty six yard TD run

916
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: in overtime against the Vikings. I will always remember exactly

917
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: where I was and running into the other room to

918
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: tell my brother so he could watch the highlights. I

919
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: would say when I was was it ninety eight ninety

920
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: nine whenever Terrell Owens caught the ball against the Green

921
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: Bay Packers in a wild card game across the middle

922
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: and he got crushed. I remember being at like a

923
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: neighbor's house that was just down the street from my parents' house.

924
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: I think we were watching the house and I got

925
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: sent over to do some stuff and I watched that game,

926
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: and I remember the forty nine ers getting their ass kicked,

927
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: and then he made the throw and I remember just

928
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: screaming I lost my voice, and I was I watched

929
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: the game by myself, So yeah, I mean, I remember

930
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: being at my cousin Kenny's house when Klay Thompson hit

931
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: all those threes against Oklahoma City in Game six, when

932
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: the Warriors were just done again, Kevin Durant and the

933
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder on the road. Yeah, but I would

934
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: say Torell Owens is like a nineties football memory that

935
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: I that I will never forget. Is there a world

936
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: we live in where the Giants go Travis at three

937
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: and shaudure Dion boycott? Every other team would love that? Yeah?

938
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean nuts, even if they said, like boycott the team?

939
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: What if? What if I'm the Raiders? What if I'm

940
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: just the ram What? You know? A team that was

941
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: just like, I'm just gonna draft Seattle, what's he gonna do?

942
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: Not show up? Because if I draft him he almost

943
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: has to either sit out a year. He's kind of screwed.

944
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: So I I think it's one thing to boycott, you know,

945
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: like what what the Mannings did to the Chargers, what

946
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: Elway did to the Colts. I think it's I think

947
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: it's impossible to do it to the entire league. That

948
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: would be sick though. From Australia, do you think if

949
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: Rogers signs with the Steelers and they draft Shadoor Sanders

950
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: to sit out for a year or two, that Rogers

951
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: would mentor him properly? Unlike love in Green Bay, you

952
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: know Jordan Love's spoken very highly of Aaron, so I

953
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: wasn't there. You weren't there. But based on the information

954
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: that we had with Aaron is he did not treat

955
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: Jordan Love like Farv treated him. And I know Jack

956
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: Wilson kind of got mouthedy last year when Aaron tore

957
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: his achilles and he thought they were going to be

958
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: best buddies and then Aaron disappears like, oh yeah, he

959
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: got hurt. So I I actually wouldn't. I would much

960
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: rather have my quarterback around Rogers than Russell Wilson. When

961
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: that clip went viral last year of Russell, like with

962
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: Naji Harris, it's just saying the cornish shit ever about

963
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: like how is mindset? It was just like what are

964
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: you talking about? I remember Naji's face was like, come on, man,

965
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: go talk to somebody else. Why is going nine and

966
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: eight or ten and seven so bad? As a Steeler fan,

967
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm grateful I don't have to deal with hard seasons

968
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: like the Raiders shot at the Raiders and other franchises.

969
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: I get we might not really have a chance to

970
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, but I appreciate not being terrible.

971
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: I mean, bring up a good point is it better

972
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: to be nine and eight and ten and seven every

973
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: single year then to bottom out and just have a shot,

974
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: because if you bought him out doesn't mean you're ever

975
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna get better. The Jags have sucked for a long time,

976
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: The Raiders have been bad for twenty years, the Giants

977
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: have been bad now for a decade plus. The Jets

978
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: have sucked for even longer. You're right, there is no guarantee.

979
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: The thing I would say is you're the Steelers and

980
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: all you've ever done is one so the remember the

981
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: year you had a bad season, got Roethlisberger. Fifteen years

982
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: later you started kicking ass and winning every year. I

983
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: just think it's from the quarterback standpoint, how do you

984
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: get a quarterback? But I hear you like, let's say

985
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: you just blow it up, you trade everybody. Well, what

986
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: if you just suck for like three or four years?

987
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 1: That would not be fun. It's not an enjoyable fall.

988
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: You're not wrong. I think the way the Steelers carry themselves,

989
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: the way Tomlin does, the standard is a standard. It's

990
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: like your standards are kind of low right now relative

991
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: to what they used to be. And I think the

992
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: hard part is if you're nine to eight and ten

993
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: and seven like winning your division all the time, and

994
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, it's just like whatever. But it feels

995
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: like with Burrow and Lamar, what are you guys gonna do?

996
00:54:46,560 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 3: Bleak times, I wanted to ask how much does postseason

997
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 3: success or failure way to quarterback evaluation.

998
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: For instance, Jalen Hurts might be a flawed as a

999
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: regular season week to week quarterback, still above average, but

1000
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: clearly has another gear on big but big stage in

1001
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: games compared to the likes of Herbert or even Lamar.

1002
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: Should Jalen's postseason elevate him into the top five rankings,

1003
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: especially considering he's done it twice? It's a good question.

1004
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: There is no disputing he's played in two Super Bowls

1005
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: and was excellent and even the Washington game, now I

1006
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: don't think their defense is very good. He was really,

1007
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: really good. And the one thing you cannot argue about

1008
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: Jalen is from the moment he got to Bama, then

1009
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma and then the Wentz situation with the Eagles,

1010
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: like he ain't scared. And let's face it, you know,

1011
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: for those of us that have been watching sports for

1012
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 1: a long time, we have seen some of our favorite teams.

1013
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: I mean, when I was a kid growing up and

1014
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: the Sacramento Kings got good, A big reason they got

1015
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: good was Chris Webber. And then they played in the

1016
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: biggest games humanly possible, and Chris Webber shriveled. I was like, oh, yeah,

1017
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: this is the thing that people have been talking about

1018
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: for a decade with this guy, and some guys just

1019
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: when they get in the moment, Like I don't necessarily

1020
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: think Lamar shrivels. Uh, but it doesn't quite look the same.

1021
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: And maybe he's putting too much pressure on himself. I

1022
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. But Jalen with his mindset

1023
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: of just never being that happy or smiling that often,

1024
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: maybe that serves him well. Like he's just kind of

1025
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: unfazed by good and bad. Yeah, I don't. I would

1026
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: not consider him, Like if I had to pick five quarterbacks,

1027
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 1: I would not choose him. And that's, you know, based

1028
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: on the course of the regular season, Like he has

1029
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: been objectively more important in the biggest games than that,

1030
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: or in the biggest games than Lamar Jackson. Right, if

1031
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: Lamar would have played some of his big games like

1032
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: Jalen has played in the Super Bowl Shit, the Ravens

1033
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: could be like back to back champs, But I would

1034
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: take Lamar Jackson over Jalen Hurts every day of the week.

1035
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: It's weird. That's make some of a bizarre player. And

1036
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, if we talk about football, makes him a

1037
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: polarizing guy to talk about, because I get if you're

1038
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: an Eagles fan, like you got his back, but I

1039
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: know you've also been really frustrated watching him play. I

1040
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: think he's just uh, I don't know. I mean, I

1041
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: can't remember a player quite like him. I really can't,

1042
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: because he's got his flaws, but he also has his

1043
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: high end skill. And again, how many guys can say

1044
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: like I've played in two Super Bowls and in both

1045
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowls I was excellent Packer fan. How do you

1046
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: see the Jayear Alexander situation unfolding? Do you see a

1047
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: world where he stays a Packer? Also? Is there anything

1048
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: they can do to make the jump from an NFC

1049
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: championship game? And starting to feel my guess is a

1050
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: guy like him? I mean, it feels like you know

1051
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: better than me. But at least the quotes toward the

1052
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: end of the season at the combine felt like he

1053
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: was gone. Maybe it's a draft trade, you know, for

1054
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: a team that doesn't get a corner. I'm not sure.

1055
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: I mean you'd know better than me, like specifically, is

1056
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: it just maturity? I know he's had some injuries the

1057
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers when he walked out as a team captain,

1058
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: that's an underrated NFL moment in the last couple of years.

1059
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I don't know your guests good as

1060
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: mine as we're sitting here today, hasn't been traded, right,

1061
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: my just educated guest following in the NFL is a

1062
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: situation like that, he gets traded around the draft. But yeah,

1063
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean at anytime a guy hasn't been traded after

1064
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: free agency, he definitely could be back on the team.

1065
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure you get asked a lot. But we are

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00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: looking to do an eight man golf trip next year

1067
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: to Scottsdale in May. Is that month good in regards

1068
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: to course conditions, Yes it is. It can be a

1069
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: little hot then, but all the I mean the course,

1070
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: it's March. We don't have course conditions in Arizona. This

1071
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: is the year round, baby. This is not you know,

1072
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: going playing golf in Nashville a month ago or shit,

1073
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: less than that three weeks ago and just the green

1074
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: the grass was dead and the greens were dead. That

1075
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: doesn't happen around here. Love the show. Big fan, born

1076
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: and raised in Boston, living in Dallas, die hard Patriot fan.

1077
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: Is it just me or the Patriot fans a bit

1078
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: delusion or delusional about our team? One may showed some promise, However,

1079
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: the idea that he's destined to be a top five quarterback,

1080
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: like how about like how they talk about him on

1081
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: the Boston sports media is wild to me. I definitely

1082
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: think he won't prove, but there is still a lot

1083
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: of question. We're in agreement. I think. I think we

1084
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: just got to be a little cautious by the way

1085
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: we have anointed him. I think this him and Caleb Williams,

1086
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: they did not play in any games that mattered. And

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01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: if you watch them, both of them could have an

1088
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: individual play or like holy shit, because they're both freakishly skilled.

1089
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: It's why they went one and three in the draft.

1090
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: But none of their plays mattered. And how many times

1091
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: when I probably watch more of Caleb than I did Drake,

1092
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: but it felt like some of their big moments happened

1093
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: down multiple scores and it's like, you guys are bad.

1094
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: So it's once you're up twenty one nothing against the Patriots,

1095
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: like you ain't worried about them coming back. So are

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01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: you even playing the same defenses? And again I'm pro like,

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01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for both the guys to be good quarterbacks.

1098
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: The more good quarterbacks, the better the league is, The

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01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: better is for me in this business. But I and

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01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of this too, you know. And I like

1101
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: a guy, hype a guy up, and then all of

1102
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like we gotta slow it down. Like

1103
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: if you are a in the mix for a wild card,

1104
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: the games you are playing in are just so much

1105
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: different than when you're two and twelve, even if you're

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01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: playing a good team, like playing Buffalo. In what world

1107
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: do the good teams take you seriously when your record sucks?

1108
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: They don't. We're all human beings. But I hear you,

1109
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: I would, I would think he becomes a solid player.

1110
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: But like top five quarterbacks, I think we throw that

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01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: out a lot. You know, hardest to become a top

1112
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Speaker 1: five quarterback. Think of three of the top five quarterbacks

1113
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: right now. Patrick Mahomes is gonna go down as one

1114
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: of the greatest players of all time. Josh Allen and

1115
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson literally just won back to back MVPs and listen,

1116
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: if you want to nitpick both of them, you can.

1117
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: But I think we all acknowledge, like those two motherfuckers

1118
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: are elite. I mean, they are incredible players. Josh Allen,

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01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Those are three of the top five guys.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes going right to the Hall of Fame. I

1121
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: don't see any way, as long as they stay relatively healthy.

1122
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: Did Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson aren't first ballot Hall

1123
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Speaker 1: of Famers? Are they gonna win a Super Bowl? I

1124
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: don't know. I would probably if I was a betting man.

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Speaker 1: Does one of the two of them win a Super Bowl? Yeah,

1126
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: I would bet on that, but there's no guarantee. Right,

1127
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: But they are so three of the top five guys.

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Speaker 1: I've been watching football like with a conscious mind for

1129
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: thirty years. So the second and the third guy are

1130
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: two of the most talented players I've ever seen. Now

1131
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: we can argue four and five, But like, that's how

1132
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: hard the three of the five guys are and they're

1133
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: all under thirty. They're not going anywhere. That's how hard

1134
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: it is to even just sniff the top. Herbert gets

1135
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: shit on all the time. He just led a shitty

1136
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: team with hardball to the fifth five seed, and then

1137
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, who won a Super Bowl two years ago.

1138
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: This hyper focus on getting a wide receiver one. Do

1139
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: we need more weapons? Yes, However, I believe in building

1140
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: the defense's O line and run game first, the receivers last.

1141
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: No wide receiver one is going to make a difference

1142
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: in the win column in our line of scrimmage. If

1143
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: our line of scrimmage sucks. I think a lot of

1144
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: people this is number three think we could be a

1145
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: playoff team next year. I don't more competitive, sure, but

1146
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: we still have a lot to improve. What do you

1147
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: think is a good two year strategy for the Patriots?

1148
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I I was a little perplexed. Even

1149
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: if you think Travis Hunter is going to be gone

1150
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: at pick three now or pick you know he's going

1151
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: to get drafted to pick three and he's not going

1152
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: to be there for you a pick four. When I

1153
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: think Stefan Diggs, I don't really think Mike Vrabel. But

1154
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: when I think Stefan Diggs off a torn acl I

1155
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: definitely don't think Mike Vrabel and giving a lot of

1156
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: money to I understand they're desperate for some offensive players.

1157
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't really get that one. Like I just I don't.

1158
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: I would have been more inclined to, like I don't know,

1159
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: trade a draft pick for a higher player and just

1160
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: use that guy's salary if I needed to pay some money.

1161
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: That was head scratching to me, it really was. But

1162
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: what you said, I think playoffs by in two years,

1163
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, be like what Sean Payton did. So by

1164
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: the second year they're a seven seed. I think that

1165
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: would be a huge win. And I think this year

1166
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: just being way more competitive, going seven to ten, getting

1167
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: some big upsets, having Drake may look, you know, promising

1168
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: for the mailbag response holding illegal contact resulting in an

1169
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: automatic first down being changed. Savvy teams on defense on

1170
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: third and ten and beyond, we'll just hold every play

1171
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: if they are about to get beat. If a corner

1172
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: ends up one on one with Justin Jefferson, he can

1173
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: just grab the shit out of him instead of getting burned.

1174
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: Think of third and fifteen for example, straight clear holds

1175
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: because they are about to get beat. Then the defense

1176
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: makes a play on third and five that's terrible. TV.

1177
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm with you on the automatic first down is brutal,

1178
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: But how do you stop teams for taking advantage of this?

1179
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: Thinking of Dan Lanning getting a twelve man flag on

1180
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: purpose for Ohio State knowing they can add time back

1181
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: on the clock and just eat the five yard flag, Well,

1182
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: the twelve man thing's different, right, it got them whatever

1183
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: the five yard flag is. If I am going to

1184
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: try to do the hold on third and fifteen, I'd

1185
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: better not miss. And if I miss, like all of

1186
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: a sudden, okay, third and fifteen, what if it's third

1187
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: and six then so it's like, yeah, I would have

1188
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: got beat third and fifteen, but it's still third and six. Like,

1189
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: can't you just get off the field on third and fifteen?

1190
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: Because you said if you're gonna get smoked on third

1191
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: and fifteen, Well he might not know that for four

1192
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: or five steps, but a couple steps with the guy

1193
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: like Justin Jefferson or Tyreek Hill or whoever, they're already

1194
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: seven or eight yards down the field. So I hear

1195
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: what you're saying, but I don't think it's as black

1196
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: and white as the way you have explained it. There

1197
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: would be an individual situation for sure, where it's third

1198
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: and twenty and I just mug you when don't I

1199
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: just feel like I get off the field. I don't know.

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01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it'd be as big of a problem

1201
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: as you do if it happened a lot in the

1202
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: example you used with you awful TV terrible. I just

1203
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: don't know if it would. Hear me out. I think

1204
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: it's absolutely insane that Shador is being talked about as

1205
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: a first as a first round quarterback. He gets credit

1206
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: for turning around a garbage Colorado program, but how is

1207
01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: he in any way being elevated. I think he meant

1208
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: above yours, who had to deal with the whole arch

1209
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: manning stuff and led his team to back to back

1210
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: semi finals appearances. Well, college football is not the NFL,

1211
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: so I would argue that Texas subtract the quarterback was

1212
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: as talented as anyone in college football. Besides, like Georgia,

1213
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: Ohio State just pure talent. Their talent was immense. So

1214
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: when you play quarterback for them winning games like you

1215
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: don't get extra credit? Like why don't we talk Will

1216
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: Howard goes to Ohio State and then win the national championship?

1217
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: Why don't we talk about Will Howard as the number

1218
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: one overall pick. We don't evaluate you in college football

1219
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: just based off wins and losses. It's actually not that

1220
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter. It does in playing big football or

1221
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: good football, and big moments matters, but it's much more

1222
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: about a skill set. To me, I watch Chador Sanders,

1223
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: I feel much better about him as a consistent passer

1224
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: than I do Quinn Yours, and he is a better playmaker.

1225
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: So when I watch Quinn Yours, I don't see a

1226
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: very good player. I actually see a guy that if

1227
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: he had played better, Texas might win the National championship.

1228
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 1: And if he had played better, they don't lose to Georgia.

1229
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: So in the regular season when he was terrible, like

1230
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: he was the same thing as Carson Beck, which I

1231
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: think most of us think Carson Beck is not very good.

1232
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: I think you've got to be very careful because if

1233
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: that's like guys like Patrick Mahomes wouldn't be viewed very

1234
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 1: good coming out of college, Like, oh I just played

1235
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 1: on a seven and sixteen. This other guy's in the

1236
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: National Championship. Well, yeah, he's playing at Georgia or Alabama

1237
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: or Ohio State. It's like it's much easier to play there.

1238
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: It is easy to play at Texas right now at quarterback.

1239
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: Not easy in the sense like like you said, there's

1240
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: something to be said about the pressure in handling the

1241
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 1: Art stuff. I do think the Arts thing was a

1242
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: little more media made. I mean, I've seen clips to them.

1243
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: It seems like they're homies. Seems like Art is the

1244
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: easy guy to get along with. So on the outside

1245
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: it looks crazy, but I think on the inside it

1246
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: was pretty easy. Sark just named him. He never never

1247
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: made it a big deal. Sark did a good job there,

1248
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: but like if quinn Ewers had better skills, he would

1249
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: be viewed. People remember when the season starts, like Quin

1250
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: yours to be the top pick in the draft, and

1251
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: then we watched the season, We're like, eh, I don't

1252
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: really see it. Not bad, But I as Queen Yours

1253
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: a backup in the NFL, maybe but maybe not. It

1254
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: should Shador might end up being a backup, but I

1255
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 1: think Shadoor, Like if I just put the teams, if

1256
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: we play a game tomorrow and the teams are exactly

1257
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: the same same amount of talent, can you tell me

1258
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: one team has Quin yours and one team has Shid

1259
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: or Sanders, I'll take the team with shedor Sanders. And

1260
01:09:58,240 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: I think most of in the NFL just think should

1261
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: Door standard is a better prospect. We're not evaluated off

1262
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: how far we go, Like why wouldn't Riley Leonard be

1263
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: viewed as a first round pick or a second round pick?

1264
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: Because we evaluate a skill set. So I think you've

1265
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: got a factor. That's how the teams look at this

1266
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: stuff from not just wins and losses in the scoreboard,

1267
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,600
Speaker 1: not that that doesn't matter, but how accurate are you?

1268
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: How well you move? You know, how you operate in third, fifth,

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Speaker 1: seven step drops, how you do against the blitz, how

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Speaker 1: well you see things, how well you play when you're down,

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Speaker 1: you know, how well you move. I think all these

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Speaker 1: things factor in. Not that Quinn some scrub. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's going to get drafted. My guess is he gets

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Speaker 1: drafted third, fourth round and someone thinks he's a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I think he's kind of like Matt Barkley USC but better.

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Speaker 1: Barkley played in the league for a long time as

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Speaker 1: a fourth round pick. That's what I listen, should Order

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Speaker 1: might end up being a backup? You know, he might

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you, I think if you talk

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Speaker 1: to most people in the NFL, his comps much closer

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Speaker 1: to like Derek Carror Jimmy Garoppolo, who are second round picks.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to say Chaudors overrated, that's fair,

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Speaker 1: but relative to yours, he's a better prospect than Quinn yours. Audios.

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Speaker 1: The volume