1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: Hey, Bestie's it is Wellness Wednesday, and today we're joined 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: by New York Times bestselling author, entrepreneur, and founder of 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: IT Cosmetics, Jamie Kern Lima, in other words, Everyone's favorite 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: it girl. She's here to tell us how she built 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: it all, which no she was most thankful for, and 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: how she learned the true meaning of self worth. It's Wednesday, 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: July third. 9 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 3: I'm Simone Boyce, I'm Danielle Robe and this is the 10 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 3: bright side from Hello Sunshine. 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: It's July, fam and you know what that means. It 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: is time to announce this month's pick for Reese's Book Club. 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 2: So last month, you know, we spoke to Ali Condy, 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: she's the author of The Unwedding and the June pick 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: for Ese's Book Club. It was such a fun conversation, 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: so if you haven't checked it out, go back and listen. 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that interview, and honestly, all of our 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: conversations with Reese's book Club picks are my favorites. So 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: I'm super excited to announce July's RBC pick. 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: Are you ready? 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: It is The Cliffs by Jay Courtney Sullivan. Simone, We're 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 3: really looking forward to reading this one. 23 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: I know I already got my copy. I cannot wait 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: to dive in. 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 4: So. 26 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: J Courtney Sullivan is the New York Times bestselling author 27 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: of novels like Commencement, Maine, and Friends with Strangers, and 28 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: she's known for creating these multi threaded narratives. Ooh, I 29 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: just like the sound of that, Danielle. 30 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: The titles are intriguing, and her latest book, The Cliffs, 31 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: follows Jane Flanagan, who, as a teenager discovers an abandoned 32 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: Victorian house that immediately piques her interest, and as the 33 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: years go on, the mysterious home becomes a hideaway, a 34 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 3: place where she can go to escape her volatile mother. 35 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: So decades later, Jane gets hired to research the history 36 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: of the home and uncover the past lives of people 37 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: who lived there, and she soon discovers stories of romantic longing, 38 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 3: lovers lost at sea, the long shadow of colonialism, and 39 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 3: so much more. 40 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 2: Oh, this is such a mysterious generational tale, and actually 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: it was inspired by Jane's own encounter with this abandoned 42 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: house she used to see on her summer vacations in Maine. Ooh, 43 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: it sounds creepy and curious all at once. 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: I love when authors write fictional stories but take pieces 45 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: of their own lives and get inspired by them. 46 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: This one's no exception. 47 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: So we'll be talking with Jay Courtney later this month, 48 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: and if you have a question for her, be sure 49 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 3: to send us your thoughts at Hello at the Brightside 50 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 3: podcast dot com. Because if you've listened to our past 51 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: interviews with authors, our favorite parts of those interviews are 52 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: your questions. 53 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: Yes, we can't wait to hear your questions, but first 54 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: we've got a really great show for you today, right, Danielle. 55 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: I mean, we always have good ones, but today is 56 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: extra special because we're both such huge fans of Jamie 57 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: Kern Lima. 58 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: She is the itck girl. How could we not be 59 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: fans of hers. 60 00:02:59,560 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 4: And for Annie. 61 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: Some one out there who might not know who Jamie 62 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: Kern Lima is, you probably know her makeup brand, IT Cosmetics. 63 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 2: It sold its stores all over the country. I mean, 64 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: I know so many women personally who love her Bebie 65 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: and c C Creams in particular. One of our producers 66 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: was just telling us it's the only thing she wears. 67 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: And then before she started IT Cosmetics, she had past 68 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 2: lives as a local news anchor missus Washington, USA, even 69 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: a contestant on the first season of Big Brother. She 70 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: also has an MBA, which of course has helped her 71 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: quite a bit, and she's written two best selling books 72 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: and has a new podcast out. 73 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: I'm exhausted just listening to her resume, but you are right. 74 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: The Jamie Kern Lima shows out and her first guest 75 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: was Oprah Winfrey. So aside from the gravity of that name, 76 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: Oprah Winfrey, what makes it even a bit mystical is 77 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: that Jamie watched Oprah every day as a little girl, 78 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: and she actually inspired her career as a journalist before 79 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: she moved into the beauty space. And then we all 80 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: know the other part of the story because she co 81 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: founded it Cosmetics in an effort to treat her rosetia 82 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: and sold it to Lareel for one point two billion dollars. 83 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: That's billion with a B. 84 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: My broke little brain can't even comprehend that amount of money. 85 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: I'm also just thinking about how broke I was as 86 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: a reporter and how much makeup was a part of 87 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 2: my day to day routine. 88 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, and how much money we spent on makeup. 89 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: Right, right, and to think that she was in that 90 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: environment and had the grit and the determination to say, 91 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to create a solution for 92 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: this problem that I'm experiencing and I know so many 93 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: other women are experiencing. Like It's just incredible. It's such 94 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: an incredible story, and that purchase that you just mentioned 95 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: actually made Jamie the first female CEO in Loreel's one 96 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: hundred year history. Impressive doesn't even begin to capture it. 97 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: I read her book Worthy earlier this year when I 98 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: was in a self worth spiral of my own, and 99 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: I loved it so much that I gifted it to 100 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: a friend. So that just tells you how impactful it is. 101 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: It's all about battling self doubt, imposter syndrome, and the 102 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: power of believing in yourself. So I can't wait to 103 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: get some more context and all the wisdom and insight 104 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: that she packed into every page of that book. 105 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: Through all the highs and lows, Jamie has learned a 106 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 3: ton about battling self doubt and the power of believing 107 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: in yourself, and I can't wait for her to share 108 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 3: some of those gems with us. 109 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: That's after the break, stay with us Welcome to the 110 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: bright Side, Jamie. 111 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I am so excited to be here. 112 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 5: It's going to be an incredible episode and I'm fired 113 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 5: at thank you for having me woo. 114 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm usually not a wo girl, but I'm giving you 115 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: a woo. 116 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 5: Jamie. 117 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 4: Love it. 118 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 2: You are brightening up the bright Side for sure. You know, 119 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: Wednesdays are usually dedicated to health and wellness here on 120 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: the bright Side. And Danielle and I I wanted to 121 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: have you on the show because you have been such 122 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: an inspiration to both of us, as you have been 123 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: so open about your journey overcoming self doubt and building 124 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: an accumulating self worth. And before we really delve into 125 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: how you learned those lessons, I want to start by 126 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: rewinding just a bit, going back to your childhood in 127 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 2: your early days. In your podcast, you said that watching 128 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: Oprah tell other people's stories really inspired your entire career 129 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 2: and made you feel less alone. How so tell us 130 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: more about that. 131 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 5: For Oprah to be the first guest is really like 132 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 5: this full circle moment. You know, I grew up watching 133 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 5: her in my living room every day, and I don't 134 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 5: know if you guys never had an experience like this. 135 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 5: There is this moment I was eight years old by 136 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 5: the way, she was being interviewed by Barbara Walters, and 137 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 5: I remember Oprah said to Barbara, I've always known I've 138 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 5: had greatness inside of me, and I was destined for greatness. 139 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 5: And I remember after she said that, she got, oh 140 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 5: this backlash in the press. And I think it's because, 141 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 5: like at the time, people were not used to a 142 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 5: woman sort of like, you know, using her voice and 143 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 5: actually proclaiming, declaring something great in her life and being 144 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 5: so confident. But it remembers a little girl having this 145 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 5: like whisper, like this kind of knowing. I was like, 146 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 5: I feel that way too, and I thought what it 147 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 5: meant was that one day I would grow up and 148 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 5: like Oprah, you know, share other people's stories with the 149 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 5: world and interview other people and like be of service. 150 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 5: And then as I was growing up, you know, I 151 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 5: always had that dream like I'm gonna meet her one day, 152 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 5: but like I'm in the middle of a suburb of 153 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 5: Washington State, I do not know no one, who knows 154 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 5: no one, But I just had this whisper, this feeling 155 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 5: like well, then as I grew up is when so 156 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 5: many of us can relate to this. I started learning 157 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 5: and believing all these lies that lead to self doubt, 158 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 5: like who I am is not enough. I need to 159 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 5: please everyone else to be loved. If I achieve. 160 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 4: Enough, then I'll finally feel enough. 161 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 5: I need to wait on my weight to put on 162 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 5: a swimsuit or to tell the person I want to 163 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 5: be more than just friends. I then spent sort of 164 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 5: decades of my life just kind of believing that one lie, like, well, 165 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 5: if I achieve enough, then I'll finally feel enough. Because 166 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 5: I never quite felt enough. I did a lot of that, 167 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 5: only to learn I would still arrive at that goal 168 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 5: feeling like something's missing and like it's never enough. And 169 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 5: so I don't know if you guys have had that 170 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 5: experience where you, you know, think like, oh, one day, 171 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 5: if this happens, then I'm gonna feel enough. Where a 172 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 5: lot of people think like, oh, if I get my 173 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 5: dream car, or I get you know, married and have kids, 174 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 5: or I would get that certain promotion or that certain 175 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 5: number in my bank account, then I'm going to finally 176 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 5: like be made and feel enough. And for a lot 177 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 5: of us, we get to that place after working really 178 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 5: really hard, only to realize, you know, wherever you arrive 179 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 5: at and still take you with you, which is basically 180 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 5: your level of self worth with you and it I'll 181 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 5: never feel fulfilling if you don't, deep down inside believe 182 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 5: you're enough as you are independent of all that. 183 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: I love the title of your book so much for 184 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: that reason. I think it is everybody's life journey to 185 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 3: find that worth. Yeah, I want to touch on the 186 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: whispers that you mentioned a little bit. I actually learned 187 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: about whispers for the first time in Oprah's books, So 188 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: I love that that's where they came from for you too. 189 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: And when you have the negative whispers, the ones that 190 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: are telling you you can't do those things, how do 191 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 3: you discern between the positive and the negative ones? 192 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 5: That's such a great, great pathful question. And you know, 193 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 5: the first thing that I'll say is, especially as girls 194 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 5: and women, like the way that we're raised is actually 195 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 5: not to trust ourselves. 196 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 4: We're raised to kind. 197 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 5: Of like please everyone else and kind of make decisions 198 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 5: based on consensus. And you know, a lot of people like, 199 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 5: how do you build a billion dollar business from your 200 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 5: living room? 201 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 4: With it cosmetics? Right? 202 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 5: And when I look back, it's this question that you 203 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 5: just asked, it's figuring out in big part, how do 204 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 5: I actually turned down the volume on all the noise, 205 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 5: on all the people saying no or saying it's never 206 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 5: gonna work, or doubting you know that I have what 207 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 5: it takes, and also turning down the volume on my 208 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 5: own self doubt and then tune into that intuition and 209 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 5: actually hear it. And I'll tell you both. For me, 210 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 5: this is a lifelong journey. So here are some of 211 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 5: the tools that I've applied that in case they someone 212 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 5: needs to hear this today, because I truly believe, I 213 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 5: believe this in every anti ib that your intuition is 214 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 5: more powerful than anyone else's advice. I think the very 215 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 5: first step is to number one, want to That's the 216 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 5: very thing number one need to want to. But then 217 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 5: really just starting to take some time getting still and 218 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 5: just like turning down the volume on all the noise 219 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 5: around you, put your phone in another room, even I 220 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 5: it's for five minutes, but just starting to get still 221 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 5: and just seeing what comes up for you and you 222 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 5: can ask a question and see like, what does that 223 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 5: answer feel like? And be patient, especially for people just 224 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 5: starting to learn how to hear their own intuition. Because 225 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 5: I think it's like a muscle you build over time. 226 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 5: And for me, one of the greatest ways that I 227 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 5: found to build it is you start to look back 228 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 5: in your life, okay, and look back at moments when 229 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 5: you had this gut feeling and maybe like you didn't 230 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 5: trust it, and you listen to everyone else and you 231 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 5: didn't trust it. You went with what everyone else said 232 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 5: to you, and then think about those moments and then 233 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 5: what happened after. And then similarly, think about a moment 234 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 5: where everyone is telling me to do something, but you 235 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 5: had that certain feeling and you decided to trust yourself, 236 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 5: and then think about what happened after. And it's like, 237 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 5: as we reflect on these moments in our lives, like 238 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 5: our muscle of just knowing how to tune in and 239 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 5: hear that voice starts to strengthen. Like so many of 240 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 5: us have all dated the person where they're like, oh, 241 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 5: my phone, that's why I disappeared for two days. You know, 242 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 5: his phone did not break, you know, and maybe you're 243 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 5: in love, so you're like, okay, you know, it's just like, 244 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 5: but we've had all these moments, right. 245 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: Jabe, I feel personally attacked. 246 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 4: Ah, we had these rightly ball. 247 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 5: And what's beautiful is that they're always happening for us 248 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 5: because we could look back on her and be like, yep, 249 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 5: I knew his phone did not break for the tenth time. 250 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 5: We know. And the more we sort of like tune 251 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 5: into those things, the stronger our muscle gets. And then 252 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 5: this is the thing, guys, it's like taking that risk 253 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 5: of being like, I am gonna trust myself. And here's 254 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 5: the thing too, Danielle to answer, what if you trust 255 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 5: yourself and it's a disaster, right, here's what I believe. 256 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 5: So so when you mentioned the whispers, and in Oprah's books, 257 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 5: she always talks about like we'll keep relearning the same 258 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 5: lesson over and over and over until we finally get it. 259 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 5: And as she puts it, sometimes it's a person just 260 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 5: in a different set of pants, but like the same 261 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 5: you again and again, we keep it trapping the same 262 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 5: person or whatever. I think when you listen, when you 263 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 5: trust your intuition and act on it, I don't believe 264 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 5: that it ever leads you down the wrong path. I 265 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 5: think you might not always get the outcome you want, 266 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 5: But I believe when you trust yourself, it leads you 267 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 5: either to the next right step in your life or 268 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,359 Speaker 5: the next right lesson that you're supposed to learn or relearn. 269 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about a moment where you 270 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: really trusted yourself and it really paid off because you 271 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: turned one of your personal pain points into purpose. I mean, 272 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: you were struggling with Roseasha as a reporter and Jamie. 273 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: I have this really embarrassing story that I have to 274 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: share with you because I was struggling with acne at 275 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: the time when I was working as a reporter in 276 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: New York. So I had this major skin issue and 277 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: I was on set. I was live every night, and 278 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: one night my skin was really bad. I was having 279 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: a really bad breakout and I heard one of the 280 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: crew members say on a hot mic, Wow, she has 281 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: really bad skin. And that moment really made me feel 282 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: so insecure, and it was something that I had to 283 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: kind of like work through while I was also being 284 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: on the air. And I know that you've dealt with 285 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 2: that too as someone who struggled with a skin condition. 286 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: But tell me about that spark, that moment when this 287 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: idea for it cosmetics really hit you. How did you 288 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: how did your intuition speak to you in that moment? 289 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you for sharing that story. By the way 290 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 5: I started, I was working as a television news anchor 291 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 5: and actually not dis similar from your story. 292 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 4: I was live on the air anchoring the news, and. 293 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 5: I have hereditary resation and gets bright red and bumpy 294 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 5: all over my cheeks, and you know, I'd gone to 295 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 5: the dermatologists, try and everything under the sun, and nothing 296 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 5: would work. And so one day I was anchoring the news, 297 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 5: I was live, and I hear my earpiece there's something 298 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 5: on your face. There's something on your face. You need 299 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 5: to wipe it off. And I knew what it was, 300 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 5: but I was like, oh, okay, and you can't talk back, 301 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 5: right because you're like live on television. 302 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 4: I'm like, okay. 303 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 5: So during the commercial break, I reached down and I 304 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 5: got my compact and I tried to cover it and 305 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 5: it would not cover. And that was the day where 306 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 5: I started kind of spending my whole paycheck on you know, 307 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 5: makeup and just trying to find something that would work. 308 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 5: And tried all the drug store brands, the apartment store 309 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 5: brands that pro makeup ARTI lines, literally nothing would work. 310 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 5: I entered this whole season of self doubt in my 311 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 5: life because I'd be live thinking like, am I going 312 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 5: to get fired? Am I costing the station ratings? And 313 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 5: I remember this whisper that I got this this whisper, like, 314 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 5: you know, if you can't find anything that works for you, 315 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 5: there's probably a whole lot of other people that maybe 316 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 5: have given up on makeup too, Like what if you 317 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 5: figure out how to create something, it probably help a 318 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 5: whole lot of people if it works for you. And 319 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 5: I had that whisper, but then really quickly my self 320 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 5: doubt talk me right out of it, like, oh, but 321 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 5: you have got no money, you know nothing about the 322 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 5: beauty industry, you have no connections. And I sat in 323 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 5: that place between like that knowing and then that self doubt. 324 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 5: You know, I couldn't understand why are there are thousands 325 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 5: of makeup companies and nothing, nothing works. It doesn't make 326 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 5: any sense. And then I realized I've never seen a 327 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 5: model with right red bumpy Roseasha saying like buy this product, 328 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 5: and at the time it just wasn't being done. So 329 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 5: all of a sudden I got this deep kind of 330 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 5: why or this like premonition I guess where I thought, 331 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 5: like what if I figured this out and create a 332 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 5: great product? And like that really felt purposeful and it 333 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 5: felt true in my gut and my intuition, And that 334 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 5: was when I made the decision to quit my job, 335 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 5: which I thought was my dream job, because I remember 336 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 5: I thought it was going to be doing a talk 337 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 5: show and all that stuff my whole life. But you guys, 338 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 5: it was really hard for anyone who's like in the 339 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 5: middle of something right now and not getting traction. Like 340 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 5: from the moment I quit my job, poured every penny 341 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 5: I had into it. It was over three years of 342 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 5: working out of my living room and hundreds and hundreds 343 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 5: and hundreds of nos. Teetering on bankruptcy for years. QVC 344 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 5: said no old tests before it, everyone said no, after no, 345 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 5: after no. It came down to one moment. All of 346 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 5: a sudden, this huge moment happened where I got one 347 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 5: shot on KVC. It was live for ten minutes, and 348 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 5: this was a moment because everything was on the line. 349 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 5: We had to every penny went into getting this one shot, 350 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 5: and if we didn't sell and hit their sales goal, 351 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 5: we not only didn't come back, we'd have to take 352 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 5: back all the inventory and not be paid for it. 353 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 5: So we literally would have been bankrupt. The company would 354 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 5: have been done. So everything was on this one moment. 355 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 5: And I just remember I went to KVC a week before, 356 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 5: like and I sat in this rental car in the 357 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 5: parking lot all alone, every single day for a week, 358 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 5: like praying, crying, because these experts were telling me, here's 359 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 5: what you need to do. Put this type of model 360 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 5: on air. You might have a chance of hitting your 361 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 5: sales goal. But my gut was telling me, like that 362 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 5: is not in alignment with my assignment. Like I know 363 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 5: what I'm here to do, Like I know in my gut, 364 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 5: I'm supposed to show my rosation. I'm supposed to show 365 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 5: you know, real women, every shape and age and size, 366 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 5: skin tone, skin challenge. 367 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 4: Like me, I knew it. 368 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 5: But it's so freaking hard to trust your gut when 369 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 5: it feels like it has not been working. It feels 370 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 5: like it must be wrong. It feels like no one 371 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 5: else sees it. And I walked in the building in 372 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 5: KVC to get our one big shot right, like we 373 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 5: had ten minutes and that was it. I wore double 374 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 5: spanks because uh, I didn't even care how I looked. 375 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 5: I was sweating so much, and like, I don't get 376 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 5: nervous for television at all. 377 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 4: But I thought you. 378 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: Just wanted some Sarah Blakely energy. 379 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 5: Oh that's I love me some Sarah Blakely energy. That too, 380 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 5: double Sarah Blakely. I'll take that every day of the week. 381 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 5: I love her so much, you guys. I was sweating 382 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 5: and I didn't want to sweat through my dress on 383 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 5: National TV. And I knew, I'm like, I have to 384 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 5: trust myself. I would rather trust myself, fall flat on 385 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 5: my face fail go out of business than like sell 386 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 5: a bunch of product and live the rest of my 387 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 5: life like standing for nothing. And I remember the moment 388 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 5: that I walked to the set and there was a 389 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 5: host there who was She's amazing, and they had like 390 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 5: five cameras and I knew that when the red light 391 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 5: went on, we were going to be live to one 392 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 5: hundred million homes and we were live. And I remember 393 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 5: the moment my bright red before shot came up on 394 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 5: National TV, and like, I remember walking over to all 395 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 5: these women every age, like we had young women act me, 396 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 5: you know, hyper pigmentation. I remember calling the beautiful and 397 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 5: like meaning it with every ounce of my being and 398 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 5: we were a few minutes in. I remember I remember 399 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 5: this moment where I wasn't sure how we were doing, 400 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 5: but I knew I wasn't cut yet. 401 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 4: I was like, okay, okay. 402 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 5: And then we got to like the one minute mark 403 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 5: and the host says, the deep shades almost gone, the 404 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 5: tan shades almost sold out. And then literally at the 405 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 5: ten minute mark, this giant sold out sign came up 406 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 5: across the screen. I started crying. On national television. They 407 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 5: cut from me and go to like diston vacuum or something. 408 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 5: My best friend was there as a model, by the way, 409 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 5: for her hyper pigmentation. She's also my husband comes rushing 410 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 5: through the double doors. I thought he's gonna hug me right, 411 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 5: and I'm just like sobbing, and he's like. 412 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 4: We're not going bankrupt. 413 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 5: And I'm just like, oh, real women is spoken and 414 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 5: we built the biggest beauty brand in kvc's history. 415 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 2: For years. 416 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 5: They said no, and you're not the right fit, as 417 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 5: did everyone else. No one can tell you you are 418 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 5: not the right fit. And somebody else says no is like, 419 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 5: it is no indication that your dream is gonna work 420 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 5: or not work. And when you learn to turn down 421 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 5: the volume on all the no's and to your point, 422 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 5: turn up the volume on your knowing like that to me, 423 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 5: if I hadn't learned to do that and trust myself, 424 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 5: like everything would be so different. You know, we built 425 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 5: to over a thousand employees, right Lorial paid one point 426 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 5: two billion dollars cash for the business, and we eventually 427 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 5: turned every no into a yes, from Sophora and Ulti 428 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 5: Beauty and all these incredible stores. 429 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: I do I want to ask you about these nos 430 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 3: because as much as I love hearing about your first 431 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: big yes, you're so clear that you want people to 432 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 3: understand the nos that you received and how you persevered 433 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 3: through them. And when we interview amazing women on the show, 434 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 3: it seems to be one of the through lines to 435 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: be honest. And so our first episode was with Reese Witherspoon, 436 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 3: and I asked her this question, and I really want 437 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: to ask you the same one, which is which no 438 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: are you most thankful for? 439 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 4: Yes? 440 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 5: I love that I wrote this whole chapter in my 441 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 5: book Worthy called when you change your relationship with rejection, 442 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 5: you change your entire life. 443 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 4: One of the most beautiful nos. 444 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 5: I ever got was one of the most painful, and 445 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 5: it was when an investor who I thought was going 446 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 5: to be my saving grace, we did so many meetings 447 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 5: with him that came down to the final meeting, and I'm. 448 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 4: Like, we're not going to go bankrupt. 449 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 5: He's going to use his levers to get us into 450 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 5: stores that are saying no. My husband and I flew 451 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 5: up for the final meeting. His private EQUIT firm is 452 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 5: renowned and amazing, and at the very end of this 453 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 5: product development pitch, he says it's a no, We're going 454 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 5: to pass on investing and IT Cosmetics. And when I 455 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 5: asked him why, he got really quiet for a while, 456 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 5: and then he says, do you want me to be 457 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 5: really honest with you? And I was like, yes, please, 458 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 5: and he just said, I just don't think women will 459 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 5: buy a makeup from someone who looks like you, with 460 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 5: your body and your weight. 461 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 4: And I actually never feel anger toward him. 462 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 5: I got this deep feeling in my gut when he 463 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 5: said those words that said he's wrong, Like he's wrong, 464 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 5: you got a whisper, yeah, And I remember, I mean 465 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 5: I went and cried in my car. All the things 466 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 5: it was like rejections God's protection. And I believe that 467 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 5: I believe that that God will block our value from 468 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 5: someone who's not assigned to our destiny for whoever needs 469 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 5: to hear this day, who's had their heart broken, who's 470 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 5: had a friend betray them, he's had someone pull out 471 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 5: the rug from underneath them, who's applied for the job 472 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 5: a bunch of times and didn't get it. When I 473 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 5: get rejected, I will hear God saying to me, Oh, 474 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 5: you weren't rejected, like I hid your fow you from 475 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 5: them because they're not assigned to your destiny. So that 476 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 5: particular investor that said that no. In the day that 477 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 5: Loreal bought our company for one point two billion dollars cash, 478 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 5: it was everywhere all over the press, the home beache 479 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 5: of the Wall Street Journal, and that was the first 480 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 5: time I heard from him in six years, and he said, uh, 481 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 5: congratulations on the Loreal deal. 482 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 4: I was wrong. 483 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 5: And when he said that, uh, the first thing I 484 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 5: thought to myself and I and what I wanted to 485 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 5: say to him was like, big mistake, huge, huge, Like 486 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 5: I can give you one point two billion reasons why 487 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 5: it was a huge mistake, like the pretty woman moment 488 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 5: in the store told you so you're right, Yeah, like 489 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 5: big mistake. But I kept it classy. I was like, oh, 490 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 5: thank you. You know that guy. But after im like 491 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 5: injection is God's protection. Like I was so desperate, like 492 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 5: nobody was leaving the brand at the time, and I 493 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 5: probably would have given him the majority of the company 494 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 5: for like nothing. I would have just been trying to. 495 00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 4: Stay a lot. 496 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: It would have been the wrong deal. 497 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 4: It would have been the wrong deal. And by the way, 498 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 4: he probably would have told me to lose weight. 499 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 5: Who knows what would have happened to throw me off 500 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 5: my authenticity, you know what I'm saying. And so it's like, 501 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 5: thank God. So that's my answer to you. That was 502 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 5: one of my biggest blessings. And I find every no 503 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 5: is a blessing. We just don't feel it at the time. 504 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 5: So just like having the faith that it is that 505 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 5: you know, rejections God's protection and for some people, rejections 506 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 5: the Universe's protection. Having that knowing helps us becoming more 507 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 5: fearless and go for things and not doubt ourselves out 508 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 5: of our own destiny. 509 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: Rejection is God or the Universe's protection. 510 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 3: That rings so true, and it's something I only fully 511 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 3: understood once I hit up against a bunch of no's, 512 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 3: And so I love what you said, Jamie. Every no 513 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: really is a blessing. We have to take a short break, 514 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 3: but when we come back, we want to talk about 515 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: real practical steps to building self worth. 516 00:24:52,960 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: Stay with us, and we're back with Jamie currnle Meel. Jamie. 517 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 2: Something that we talk a lot about on our show 518 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: is the hedonic treadmill. And you brought this up earlier, 519 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: this idea of wanting to achieve and achieve and achieve, 520 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: and yet whenever we reach that destination, that accomplishment, it 521 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: never fully satisfies or fulfills us. I mean, you landed 522 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 2: on the Forbes Rich Is Self Made Women list, your 523 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: book Worthy has been on the New York Times bestseller 524 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 2: list for weeks, and you just launched your podcast at 525 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: Jamie Kerrnlema Show. So I want to know, at what 526 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 2: point did you truly feel successful? 527 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 528 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 5: I had achieved a lot of the things you just 529 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 5: mentioned and still arrived at them feeling like I wasn't enough. 530 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 5: And what I didn't know was that there's a huge 531 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 5: difference between self confidence and self worth. Right, But self 532 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 5: confidence is, you know, how we assess our skills and abilities. 533 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 5: It's our willingness to try and go for it. It's 534 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 5: how much of the world's definition of success we think 535 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 5: we have if we're winning or losing at the time, 536 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 5: and our self confidence is fragile, but our self worth 537 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 5: being that just you know, deep internal belief that we're 538 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 5: worthy of love and blying exactly as we are. It's different. 539 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 5: After selling the company all these things, I was about 540 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 5: to turn forty years old and a lifelong dream came 541 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 5: true and I met Oprah and it was the most 542 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 5: incredible moment. And I wrote her a letter after and 543 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 5: got a phone call and she invited me to her 544 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 5: house for lunch. So at the time, I was really 545 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 5: confident I had achieved a lot of things, but I 546 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 5: didn't understand that self worth is different, and I literally 547 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 5: sabotaged the entire thing. 548 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 4: I went to her. 549 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 5: House, I had a three hour lunch with her. It 550 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 5: was incredible. She's like seriously, and I mean. 551 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 4: I was just like, how is this happening? 552 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 5: All the things, the best three hour lunch. At the 553 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 5: very end of it, she wrote me a note and 554 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 5: put her cell phone number on it and she said 555 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 5: call me anytime. You can call me anytime. And I'm 556 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 5: like trying to be super cool, right and I'm like, okay, okay, 557 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,719 Speaker 5: you know, and I like leave her house. I did 558 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 5: not call her for four years, did not call her. Yep, boy, 559 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 5: now remember why? For four years I told myself stories like, oh, 560 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 5: I just need to like think of the perfect thing 561 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 5: to say, then I'm gonna call her, or everyone probably 562 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 5: wants something from her. I'm gonna prove I don't need nothing. 563 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 5: Four years later, it hit me the real reason I 564 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 5: had not called her was because, deep down and sorrow, 565 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 5: I did not believe I was worthy of being her friend. 566 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 5: That is the day I became obsessed with studying self worth. 567 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,479 Speaker 5: That is the day I picked up the phone and 568 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 5: called her. Literally, that is the day where I realized 569 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 5: you cannot outsucceed your level of self worth. Your self 570 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 5: worth will always become your ceiling. In every air of life, 571 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 5: we all know somebody who's like this amazing girl and 572 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 5: she's like got everything, and you're like, why is she 573 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 5: in a relationship with someone who treats her horribly? It's 574 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 5: because you can build a lot of self confidence, but 575 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 5: deep down inside you do not believe you're worthy of 576 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 5: love and Blondie exactly as you are, not as you achieve, 577 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 5: not as you fail, but exactly innately as who you are. 578 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 5: Like that will be your ceiling always, and so you'll 579 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 5: sabotage the thing if you don't believe you're worthy of it. 580 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 4: And I did that with Oprah. 581 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 5: So I think that's why building our self worth is 582 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 5: truly like the most I think it's the most important 583 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 5: journey that we can all be on, and it's a 584 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 5: lifelong one, and for me, it's every day I have 585 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 5: to check myself. 586 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 3: I think that's so impactful and powerful and inspiring, and 587 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 3: the idea of just believe in yourself feels so simple, 588 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 3: and yet in practice it's really challenging. Those four years 589 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 3: where you said you didn't call Oprah. 590 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: What kind of work were you doing? 591 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 3: I'm curious to learn from you some of these, like 592 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 3: real practical steps that we can do to start building 593 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 3: that foundation. 594 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 5: This is the most important thing to know with how 595 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 5: we start building self worth is it's not every single 596 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 5: person that's listening to us right now. I do not 597 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 5: care how many mistakes you have made, how many. 598 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 4: Any of it. 599 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 5: You are only innately worthy, exactly as you are, And 600 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 5: that's the most beautiful thing. And the journey of building 601 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 5: selfware starts with realizing, like there's not a whole bunch 602 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 5: of things I got to learn. We can learn a 603 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 5: whole bunch of things and build our self confidence, but 604 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 5: self worth is so often a journey of unlearning. It's 605 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 5: a journey of like unlearning all the lies that lead 606 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 5: to self doubt that we've learned over the years, And 607 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 5: one of the greatest ones to start with is we 608 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 5: so often believe the lie if I am me, I 609 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 5: won't be loved, that won't be invited into. 610 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 4: The thing if they only knew. 611 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 5: I'm not as funny enough, I'm not as cool enough, 612 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 5: I'm not as smart enough like. We all have those thoughts, 613 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 5: and they lead us to showing up as our representative, 614 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 5: as who we think we need to be in the room. 615 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 5: And when we show up as our representative, it might 616 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 5: get the approval from people around us who are also 617 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,239 Speaker 5: shown up because they're representative. But slowly but surely, it 618 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 5: chips away in our own self worth because we're telling 619 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 5: ourselves we're unworthy of being who we truly are. The 620 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 5: very first step to building self worth is one little 621 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 5: baby step at a time, being who you truly are, 622 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 5: saying what you really mean, saying how you really feel, 623 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 5: and actually tuning in to hear that and to ask 624 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 5: yourself because a lot of people, especially girls and women, 625 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 5: they're great at sensing and being an EmPATH and sensing 626 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 5: what everyone else is feeling, and they don't take time 627 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 5: to go who am I, how do I feel? Why 628 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 5: am I here on this earth? And what do I 629 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 5: have to offer? And then living that answer. 630 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: Jamie, I'm so glad you brought that up, because you 631 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,959 Speaker 2: really have tapped into something that is universal, that is 632 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: integral to womanhood, to identity. Yes you're an entrepreneur, Yes 633 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: you're a podcaster and a talk show host, but you're 634 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: you're leading a ministry. Really, I mean that's you minister 635 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: to so many women through this book. What are women 636 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 2: telling you when you're interacting with them in those moments 637 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: after you speak, when they come up to you and 638 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 2: they hold your hand and they're really looking to you 639 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: for this guidance and this empowerment that you provide in 640 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 2: this book. 641 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing is that people feel really 642 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 5: seen and understood. Just about every person that comes up 643 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 5: is saying, like I struggle with this every single day, 644 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 5: Like with doubting, I'm enough with doubting. I have what 645 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 5: it takes with doubting I'm worthy of unconditional love, of 646 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 5: applying for the promotion or asking for the raise, and 647 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 5: putting on a swimsuit, putting my art out there in 648 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 5: the world. And so the book worthy is, it's wild, 649 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 5: it's taking on this life of its own because women 650 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 5: are sharing it, like they're giving their copy to another 651 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 5: woman and path So I did like this library card, 652 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 5: old school library card on the very back of the book, 653 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 5: with the intention of like, when you're done with this, 654 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 5: to write another woman's name in and pass the book 655 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 5: to her and keep it going, you know what I mean, 656 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 5: and keep it going. Because for a lot of people, 657 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 5: they might have thought I just needed to achieve more, 658 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 5: but that's actually not the answer, or I just needed 659 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 5: to hit my certain goal weight, or I just needed 660 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 5: to get my book published or whatever it might be, right, 661 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 5: and that's actually not it. It's how do I learn 662 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 5: to believe I'm enough as I am? And by the way, 663 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,239 Speaker 5: a lot of people worry, well, if I believe I'm 664 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 5: enough as I am am, I going to lose all 665 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 5: my ambition, And it's like, no, you're actually not going 666 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 5: to lose your ambition. You actually become more ambitious when 667 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 5: you feel fully worthy as you are, because you know, 668 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 5: if you go for it and fall flat on your 669 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 5: face and fail, you might shake your confidence for a minute, 670 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 5: but it cannot touch your self worth, and so you 671 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 5: actually become in a way more ambitious, the greater your 672 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 5: self worth. 673 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 3: Jamie, I have one last question for you, and I 674 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 3: know it's going to be kind of personal, But what 675 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 3: are the whispers telling you now? Because you've just you've 676 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 3: accomplished so much, what's inside of you now? 677 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 4: Every day? 678 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 5: I still am on that journey of learning to believe 679 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 5: I'm worthy of having fun, worthy of offering what feels 680 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 5: like in alignment with my assignment. So the whispers right 681 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 5: now are me working really really hard to get better 682 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 5: at just getting still at asking God, how are you 683 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 5: going to use me? Like how am I supposed to 684 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 5: be used in this life? And then trusting that and 685 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 5: living that answer and not getting confused with the old 686 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 5: lies I used to believe that I need to achieve 687 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 5: enough to be enough, And so I'm kind of on 688 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 5: that journey now of you know, walking into the show 689 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 5: with the two of you today, is you know, my 690 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 5: whole intention is, you know, is that I hope something 691 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 5: we talk about is of service for someone listening, and 692 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 5: to just be an appreciation and on of the two 693 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 5: of you for this offering that you guys are doing 694 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 5: through the show and putting out into the world and 695 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 5: just kind of to be present in it and enjoy it. 696 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 5: And the old me would have been different. It would 697 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 5: have been like, how much am I doing today? And 698 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 5: so for me now, the whispers say, you know, be 699 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 5: here with some own and Daniell'll have you know, be 700 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 5: in this moment, be of service, try to enjoy it 701 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 5: and try to live the answer that is the dream 702 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 5: that I'm trying to tune in that God has for me, 703 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 5: because I think we all have purpose in this life, 704 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 5: and I think that if we don't learn to like 705 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 5: really listen to what that is and what feels right 706 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 5: when we're doing it, we can so easily, you know, 707 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 5: talk ourselves out of our own truth and be living 708 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 5: someone else's life or dream for ourselves or societies, which 709 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 5: never feels fulfilling. 710 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 3: Love it. Thank you so much, Jamie. This was a 711 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 3: really full hearted conversation. 712 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 5: Thank you, Jamie well, thank you for having full hearted 713 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 5: conversations like the world needs this show. And then what 714 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,919 Speaker 5: the two of you are putting out there, so I'm 715 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 5: just honored to be here with you both, So thank you. 716 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 3: Jamie Kern Lima is a New York Times best selling author, entrepreneur, 717 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 3: and founder of IT Cosmetics. 718 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 2: That's it for today's show. Tomorrow. 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