1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,159 Speaker 1: Let's talk about So you leave Georgetown go to Charlotte, 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: one of my favorite teams. I grew up watching old 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Charlotte Charlotte Hornets. 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: I feel that during that time, the early nineties, that 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: that we were like, uh, we attracted the younger colors 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: and Colors Strike. 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 3: And Muzzy, you know, l J and the ground. 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody would go to India. 9 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 5: The vibe. 10 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was when that was when Baggy Short started 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: becoming like every kid won them Charlotte Hornet like, but 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: talk about that because that was that was kind of 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: a trendy team. 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 4: You know what. 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: Uh. I wish we could have kept the band together. Man, Unfortunately, 16 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: no business got in a way. 17 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 4: It did. 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: Business got in the way. And uh and you know, 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to say this, you know publicly. You know, 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: I don't think that we had the proper management to 21 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: keep it together because I was willing to stay there, 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: you know, but God had another plan. Yeah, look, come 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: to Miami. The best thing ever happened to me, bro 24 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: It's truly for me and my family, you know, for 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 2: my life in general, the best thing ever happened to me. 26 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: Mickey Rison, all of them, you know, they have been 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: a blessing to my life, you know, to this day, 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 2: you know, but I knew what I knew at that time. 29 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: I knew Charlotte and I loved Charlotte. And I had 30 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: just come from Virginia. That was my hometown, and Charlotte 31 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: has had a lot of similarities to be Virginia. And 32 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: we were the hottest things in town. We couldn't go nowhere, 33 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: didn't pay for no meals nowhere. You know, we had 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: the largest attendance. And in basketball, you know, we had 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: the largest attendance, the largest crowd, man, and they were 36 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: electric every night. And I loved playing the high It 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: is like when that. 38 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 5: Broke up and he broke up with that team and 39 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 5: he started going there his friends and. 40 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: Family b D and those guys came back. 41 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 5: But I'm telling you that team was dope. Man. What 42 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 5: what what's split it up? What was it? Well? 43 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: Uh, I want to know this. Listen. The owner of 44 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: the owner of the team, George, you know, he paid 45 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: l J. And I was next up, you know, and 46 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: my agents said, hey, you know I can get you 47 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: this with five different teams. You just got to choose 48 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: this team you want to play for. I said, no, 49 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: I want to stay and I want to stay in Charlotte, 50 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: and David Fox said, he said, I don't think Charlotte's 51 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: gonna pay you this number. And uh, I said, well, 52 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: you know, I'll take that's money to stay. So we 53 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: started having conversations with George Shen and he said uh 54 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: and these were his exact words, You're not worth that. Yeah, 55 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: and that right there, I mean, how fast you packed 56 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: your oh I packed yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. When he 57 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: when he told me that I had to get out 58 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: of there, man, I was like, yeah, George Shen, yeah. 59 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: So that was the basis of the conversation and what 60 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: from Miami and then and then during that process, I 61 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: reached out to Patrick and I asked him about, you know, 62 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: playing under Pat Riley and I said, I heard his 63 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: practices are hard, man. 64 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 4: You know. 65 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: And Pat was like, boy, you went to Georgetown as 66 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: hard as our practices was. You ain't gonna be intimidated 67 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: by the practice. He said, go to Miami. Go And 68 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: I said, Patrick, I had a chance to come to 69 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: New York and play with you. He was like, nah, 70 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: I don't want you here. Go to Miami. So that 71 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: put me over the top right there. That was the 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: deciding factor right there. It really was because I had 73 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: a conversation with Big John and Patrick and they both 74 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: told me to come to Miami. Yeah. 75 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was wondering how that end how up? 76 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: Well that's how it all. That's how it happened, man, 77 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: you know, and I'm gonna tell you. 78 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 6: And the crazy thing is Patrick knew that you would 79 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 6: be competing against him. 80 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, he knew that. 81 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 4: He knew he knew by sending you to. 82 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: Miami because I would have played the four in New 83 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 2: York and he would have played center. 84 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: Man. 85 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: I mean, that would have been an incredible friend. 86 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 6: That's what the American man. Because I want to talk 87 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 6: to you about this because I feel like the American 88 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 6: Center is somewhat diminishing the American Center. 89 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 4: We'll get into that. 90 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, well right now, it's prehistoric. It is. You know, 91 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: guys don't value the post up and taking advantage of mismatches. 92 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 5: And you It's so funny, man. When I first came 93 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 5: to the league, time I played with Patrick Orlando. Okay, 94 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 5: all right, but he was still the same old g though. 95 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 5: He was the grinder work, oh for sure. 96 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: But what I was telling you come in, it's you 97 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: always have two seven footers and you run, you run 98 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: floppies and you play. 99 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: They come off the screen, big stepping, dun seal all that. 100 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 4: You know. 101 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 5: It was unbelievable. 102 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: And I talked about it, man, like those guys are 103 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: so valuable because there was the defensive. 104 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 5: The legal defense was so different. Oh you're on the 105 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 5: island the big dude. I'm telling you, man, the game. 106 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 4: Is completely man. 107 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: They popping, they picking popping out the jumping. 108 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, we were doing the drill the other day and 109 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 6: we were coming off. We were coming off of a screen. 110 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 6: But they set a screen at the elbow and the 111 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 6: big just dive down to the blocking ball in the 112 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 6: paint as we do in the drill. Everybody coming off 113 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 6: the screen at the elbow, but they dieming out to 114 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 6: fifteen fifteen feet just cut off the screen shot and 115 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,799 Speaker 6: right away and mind you, the defenders going under the screen. 116 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 4: So all you gotta do is beat him and seeing 117 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 4: them and seal them. 118 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 6: Everybody running the fifteen feet unbelievable, Like y'all don't see 119 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 6: the defender going under the screen. 120 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 4: You hit his ass, steal his ass is just. 121 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: Take a let But analytics say, but if you shoot 122 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: this many shots, this many times, but it doesn't emphasize 123 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: the fact that you know, you shoot a higher percentage 124 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: in this particular area. So if I shoot these shots, 125 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: yeah they're two's. But if you shoot more threes. 126 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 4: Then I'm like no, yeah. But the crazy thing about 127 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 4: the crazy thing, the crazy. 128 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 6: Thing about analytics is that it's contradicting because down the 129 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 6: stretch you take whatever shots you can get. So now 130 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 6: you're you're I want to get up thirty, I want 131 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 6: to get up forty threes. But down the stretch you're 132 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 6: getting you're taking what you can get. Yeah, yeah, you're 133 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 6: taking what you can get. 134 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always looking for a higher percentage shot, Yes, exactly. 135 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: What's gonna give me a higher percentage of a chance 136 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: to make the shots? Yes, you know, so give me 137 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: a steady volume of that. 138 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 5: I ain't gonna live. I love that era. I like 139 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 5: the weather. Shoot threes right now for me. 140 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 6: I'm sure I would imagine understand, when you have the 141 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 6: skill set and you have everybody doesn't have the roster 142 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 6: and skill set you like the ship Boston did the 143 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 6: other night was ridiculous when guys like when you're guys 144 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 6: like Peyton Pritcher who are not even your main guys 145 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 6: and Derek White can go ten threes and nine forty. 146 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 6: That's the type of team should be doing that. 147 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: Ship. 148 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: That ain't for everybody. 149 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 5: Here's here's the problem. 150 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: Everybody ain't step pariod. 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