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Speaker 1: The Around the League podcast supports jogging with friends. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another addition of the Round the League podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by a

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Speaker 1: room filled with heroes, Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, and Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: What about boys, Hey dah, you forgot to mention the

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Speaker 1: fifth member of the room, which is like a nineteen

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Speaker 1: nine two piece of massive electronic equipment that does some

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Speaker 1: service and was buzzing when we walked in here. And

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Speaker 1: we should not make any jokes about this, and we'll

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Speaker 1: get to that later. But it did not. It felt

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Speaker 1: it didn't feel safe walking in this room. There was

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Speaker 1: a as as the gold standard behind the glass. Put

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Speaker 1: it a low what did you call it? I think

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Speaker 1: it was a low droning noise, low drawing noise emitting

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Speaker 1: from the machine. But it looks like it's not doing

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Speaker 1: anything anymore. I think we're safe. Turn it off. Mark

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Speaker 1: disabled it? Oh you disabled the machine? Did you which wire?

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Speaker 1: Did you cut? The red or the blue? I didn't

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Speaker 1: a button at the same time. It went something out

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Speaker 1: of an early early season episode of Lost Um And

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Speaker 1: if you're interested in what this device looks like. Because

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you are, I did tweet out a picture

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Speaker 1: of it at dan Kansas. All right, gentlemen, before we

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Speaker 1: get into anything, we need to talk about the box

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Speaker 1: office of Draft Day. We had a high octane wager

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Speaker 1: on the line, not even a wager just to the

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Speaker 1: victor go the spoils. Each of us were going to

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Speaker 1: guess the opening weekend of Draft Day starring Kevin Costner

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Speaker 1: and Jennifer Garner, and the winner would get food and

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Speaker 1: beverages at the expense of the rest of the A

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Speaker 1: t L team, So the gold standard. How are you?

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Speaker 1: By the way, all right, let's go through this because

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Speaker 1: I'm look in my hand right now, I have the estimate.

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Speaker 1: It's not official, but this these are typically pretty uh

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Speaker 1: spot on the estimate. Fair to say, Greg, things change,

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Speaker 1: things change. They have the numbers from Friday and Saturday.

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Speaker 1: For now, they're estimating Sunday right now. The estimate of

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Speaker 1: the weekend for Draft Day was nine point seven five

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Speaker 1: million take which um rounds up to nine point eight

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Speaker 1: start with Chris Westling's wager and Chris you picked twenty

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Speaker 1: two point two million dollars. Sorry West whatever, West was

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Speaker 1: never in on this one. The nineties are over. West

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Speaker 1: Costner no longer a big box office factor. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you said on the opening three day weekend of Draft

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Speaker 1: was going to be a major magnet for like a

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Speaker 1: Friday night date night scenario, and a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: did not take women to this. That's my draw. That's

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Speaker 1: what I take away. This movie needed more, note more

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Speaker 1: Joe nameeth. We could have used some more Joe Willie,

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Speaker 1: Dan hands us of around the League he picked. That

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Speaker 1: is the first in many times Dan's gonna start using

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Speaker 1: the third person in the next decade. I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's only got Dan hands us around the League guest

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Speaker 1: twelve point seven million. Wow, so that's over three and

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Speaker 1: you know my point. My point of contention is beautiful

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Speaker 1: the parks out of the multiplexes, and that takes us

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Speaker 1: to Greg. It looked like a win for Greg. The

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Speaker 1: three of us all got it wrong. So Greg Rosenthal

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Speaker 1: and of course nine point eight million is the estimate

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Speaker 1: point nine million dollars woo. So you're hoping for, Like

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Speaker 1: So I'm not so sure that this is the equivalent.

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Speaker 1: Here is imagine your fantasy championship. You lose by half

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Speaker 1: did you fathom up that example? It just seems to

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Speaker 1: over tomorrow. And then I wake up the next morning

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Speaker 1: the championship. I like point to five. I'm a big

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Speaker 1: that Goodell joke from me this morning. You're just thinking

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Speaker 1: this got this draft day thing got a lot of

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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning fantasy miracle. We'll see what happens with that.

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Speaker 1: Uh big show. Today, we're gonna continue our roster reset series.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get Kevin Patrick coming at you on the phone,

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Speaker 1: look at the NFC East with Mark Sessler, who wrote

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Speaker 1: the Around the League page, and we'll go through that

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Speaker 1: ESPN dot Com reports that within the Giants front office,

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Speaker 1: Shawan and Tony Romo consistent quarterback. The New York went

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Speaker 1: out and patched up their secondary and has a chance

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Speaker 1: to uh to do that. They still have some holes.

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Speaker 1: All these teams outside of Philly to me seemed to

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Speaker 1: have some real weak spots too. Well, all right, so

435
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Speaker 1: let's stick with the Giant. So what do you think?

436
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: So their secondary is a lot better, the chem Knicks

437
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Speaker 1: is gone, what what's next for them? Like, what do

438
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Speaker 1: you see that they need or something that will be

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Speaker 1: taken care of in the near future. It's like West

440
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Speaker 1: hit On before when they had a chem Knicks playing

441
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Speaker 1: the way that at his optimal quality. It affected Eli

442
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 1: Manning positive. It helped Victor Cruz be more the kind

443
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Speaker 1: of wide receiver they want him to be. They're missing

444
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Speaker 1: that guy right now. They you know, Coughlin likes Ruben Randall,

445
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: but we haven't seen Reuben Randall really shift into that role.

446
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Speaker 1: And I think they're missing a wide receiver. I think

447
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of talent in terms of

448
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Speaker 1: a pass catching tight end. So that's why I think this,

449
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Speaker 1: this report of Eli Manning is concerning because I don't

450
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Speaker 1: see the prospects of him really improving with what they

451
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Speaker 1: have there at the moment. This is a sea change

452
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Speaker 1: for the Giants. You know, Jerry Reese has said publicly,

453
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Speaker 1: we're in a win now type of position where there

454
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Speaker 1: this is usually a relatively patient team, and they've signed

455
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Speaker 1: more people from other rosters than any other. But I

456
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Speaker 1: don't I was a little surprised you had him as

457
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Speaker 1: the most improved. Then again, I don't know who I

458
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Speaker 1: would put above them, because I'm not sure. They've signed

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys, but I'm not sure if they've

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Speaker 1: improved that much. They don't didn't sign a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys that get me excited. And if you think about

462
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Speaker 1: the players that they lost a lot of people that

463
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Speaker 1: were valuable for them, justin tuck Lyn Vaal, Joseph Hakim Nicks,

464
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Speaker 1: even though he had his ups and down, certainly down

465
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Speaker 1: last year, Kevin Booth, these are guys that play a

466
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Speaker 1: lot for them, so they had to replace them. I

467
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Speaker 1: think for me, I struggled to say there's a clear

468
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Speaker 1: cut one team that really did the most work, because

469
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Speaker 1: you know, everyone immediately, oh, it's Washington. They added to

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Speaker 1: Sean Jackson, and I like what they did on defense

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Speaker 1: in terms of adding Jason Hatcher. But honestly, Washington signed

472
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Speaker 1: a bunch of blah prospects as well, and they went

473
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Speaker 1: on added a ton of guys too. I think the

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Speaker 1: Redskins are not just the most improved team in the

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Speaker 1: NFC NFC East and the most improved team in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And what's the what's what's the other offensive lines? The

477
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: receivers weren't good beyond Pierre Garson last year. They added

478
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Speaker 1: de Sean Jackson, one of the top ten statistical receivers

479
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Last year, Andre Roberts, who was one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite signings in free agency. Jason Hatcher, all

481
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Speaker 1: pro level defensive tackle last year, not just a small

482
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Speaker 1: guy like the Giants signed a lot of role players.

483
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Speaker 1: My problem with Washington in the reason go to old on.

484
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Speaker 1: Look at the Redskins, look at their departures. The Giants

485
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Speaker 1: lost a lot guys the Giant the Redskins lost Josh

486
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: Wilson and Darryl tapp Uh. They actually the gain from that.

487
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Speaker 1: Actually you forgot about j D. Walton, didn't They? My

488
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Speaker 1: problem with Washington in terms of being an improved team,

489
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Speaker 1: is that their defense was at such a disastrous level

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Speaker 1: last year that outside of Hatcher, I don't see much added.

491
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Speaker 1: The changes the Philip Thomas, a guy they drafted last year,

492
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Speaker 1: coming back at safety, he wasn't able to play last

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Speaker 1: year because of injury. They had Ryan Clark, They add

494
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Speaker 1: some role players. They had some role players like Darryl Sharpton,

495
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Speaker 1: who if he's healthy, can be an upgraded inside linebacker

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Speaker 1: for them. I just I think they're improved in a

497
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Speaker 1: lot of area. Do you think that his teammates call

498
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Speaker 1: him Reverend Darryl Sharpton? But no, But seriously, isn't there

499
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Speaker 1: a little bit of stink with free agent signings with

500
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Speaker 1: the Wedskins that you always expect something's gonna go terribly wrong.

501
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Speaker 1: And they really opened up the piggy bank and they

502
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Speaker 1: brought in all these guys, but there's no guarantee that's

503
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Speaker 1: all gonna jibe and create a playoff contender. I love Roberts,

504
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: but I the second they signed Hatcher for a lot

505
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: of money in that first year, I mean, they're paying

506
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: a guy with some injury problems that's up there in years.

507
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 1: I immediately thought, well, the Redskins signed him, so this

508
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Speaker 1: is not going to go well. And Mark, we have

509
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: not talked about the Cowboys yet, so what's going on

510
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 1: with them? They didn't seem to be very active at all. Well,

511
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's been tough for us to write about

512
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Speaker 1: teams that just don't go out and do too much.

513
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Speaker 1: But they didn't have a lot of money. Obviously, they

514
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Speaker 1: lost de Marcus Ware, they lost Hatcher, and that's two.

515
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Speaker 1: That's two major game changing defensive forces off your defense

516
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Speaker 1: right there. I'll ask this to the whole group. How

517
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Speaker 1: big a loss is de Marcus Ware in two thousand fourteen.

518
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Speaker 1: Is that a devastating blow to their defense? Or is

519
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: it you know they'll survive, they'll draft and find somebody

520
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: to build in that role. I would answer this way.

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Speaker 1: It's a devastating blow to what they thought their defense

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Speaker 1: could be. It's not a devastating defense to what their

523
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Speaker 1: defense was last year because he didn't play that much. Yeah,

524
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Speaker 1: but they the best part of their team two years

525
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: ago was Spencer Ware and Hatcher and none of them

526
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Speaker 1: are there anymore. Yeah, and you're counting on Shawn Lee

527
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Speaker 1: that you know. I love Shaun Lee but is he

528
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Speaker 1: a guy who can play sixteen games. You're also counting

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Speaker 1: on Henry Milton, who's coming off an injury, so questions

530
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Speaker 1: there too. So I don't think they lost much when

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00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: it came to Hatcher. I like mel I'd rather have

532
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Speaker 1: Melton than Hatcher, especially at that money. He's younger. He's

533
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: had just as high as ceiling, if not higher to

534
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Speaker 1: Science two years ago. Henry Melton will never have a

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Speaker 1: year as good as Jason Hatcher head later he did

536
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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, not even close Mark Watch

537
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Speaker 1: after Flying Beakers. Hatcher was dominant last year. I mean,

538
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: just like one of the best. I loved him. I

539
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: loved him, and he was dominant for about ten games.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't unbelievable down the stretch twelve sex for a

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Yeah, that's crazy. I just can't believe we

542
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: went through this whole roster reset so far, we haven't

543
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Speaker 1: even brought up Colt McCoy. I'm cha. Jeremy Washington, oh

544
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Speaker 1: R G three goes down with a week one injury,

545
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: Cesslers probably will have a Sessler about that, and incomes

546
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Speaker 1: Colt McCoy. He's gonna leap for all. Kirk Cousins. Yo. Yeah,

547
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: forget Cousins, the weakest ever right there. And you're not

548
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Speaker 1: even talking about the biggest signing of backup quarterbacks in

549
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: the NFC East. What about Mr Brandon Weeder. I don't

550
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Speaker 1: think he'll be on the roster come the Cowboys don't

551
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: typically hold three quarterbacks and the active roster. And the

552
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: whole thing was that Orton might not come back and

553
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: coming back from what was your name? I llegitimate son

554
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: after Brandon illegitimate son. I don't think so. I think

555
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: you're confusing me with potentially Westling or someone else. The

556
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: NFC East used to be the power division. It's you know,

557
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: these teams with great traditions that have played. Now it's

558
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: the division where failed Brown's quarterbacks go to die or

559
00:29:54,440 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: stay positive. Um, alright, fellas, let's keep moving Now. We

560
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Speaker 1: get Kevin Patrack on the phone and we're gonna talk

561
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Speaker 1: some NFC South roster reset Kevin Patra what's going on, fellas?

562
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Finally warm outside? What's going on? By the way, I

563
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: wondered on Friday's podcast, if you have ever been in

564
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Speaker 1: a fight, Have I ever been in the fight? Yeah?

565
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Speaker 1: I think that you have your braun. Yeah, I'm not

566
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Speaker 1: going to go in any de deals, but I've been

567
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: in um more than one. Let's just put it that way.

568
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: If we're a hockey team, Kevin will be our goon.

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Speaker 1: The enforce are, yeah, for sure. What did she do

570
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Speaker 1: against you? Material? Uh, you know she she got a

571
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Speaker 1: good punch in. Alright. So rosteris at NFC South, you know,

572
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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about the division. What are

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Speaker 1: you thinking right now, Kevin Well? I mean, if you

574
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Speaker 1: if you look at my rankings, how I ranked the

575
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Speaker 1: their off seasons the exact opposite of how they finished

576
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Speaker 1: the seasons. Interesting, um, exactly, well, almost exact opposite. The

577
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: Falcons and the Bucks were right together. But I thought

578
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers lovely Smith kind of It's kind of funny

579
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: how he came in and he praised everybody. Mike Glennon's,

580
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, a good young quarterback. You know, we can

581
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: find a place for Darrell Rivas. And then he cuts

582
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: Durrell Revas and signs Josh McCowen as his quarter starting

583
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: quarterback this year. Uh, and they just read it going

584
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: pretty uh. You know, they added a lot of pieces

585
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: to a pretty good, already solid roster, especially on defense,

586
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: adding Michael Johnson, I think was big and revamping the

587
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: offensive line. So I think they're the ones that made

588
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: the most improvement now the way that gets them to

589
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: the top of division. I'm not willing to give him

590
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: that yet. I have a feeling because of this movement

591
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: and because of the talent that was there and made

592
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler fall in love with them a year ago,

593
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: I remember, Yes, this is gonna be a trendy team.

594
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: I think you gotta look for some teams to make

595
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: the playoffs that weren't there a year ago. I could

596
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: see us some people picking the Buccaneers absolutely here. The

597
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: one concern I have is the quarterback situation. Love Smith

598
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: has never been a great um. He's never had a

599
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: great quarterback play on his teams. Uh And Josh mcown

600
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: is a good, you know, fill in for now. Is

601
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: he the future? No? I don't think so. Actually they've

602
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: admitted that he's not obviously at thirty five years old.

603
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: But I'm worried that with Vincent Jackson being the only

604
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: main target in a bunch of number threes and four

605
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: is if they don't have a number two. Josh McCown

606
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: lived last year in Chicago off throwing it up to

607
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: al Sean Jeffrey and then Brandon Marshall being being there

608
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Speaker 1: as well. Uh, and he doesn't have that, so will

609
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: you have the same success? I don't see it right now.

610
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: The biggest the biggest story for the Bucks was releasing

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Speaker 1: Darrell Reeves. Do you think they were They did a

612
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: good job replacing him. I think Alsa and Berner was solid.

613
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: I I was, I was loving him all last year

614
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Speaker 1: as and he fits perfectly into that system becomes much cheaper.

615
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: They were allowed to do a few other things, so

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Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, while it

617
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: wasn't a good pr move on the field, I think

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Speaker 1: with the way that love you wants to play, I

619
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: think it was a good swap. You know, new regimes

620
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: often make a lot of changes, and the Buccaneers made

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Speaker 1: more changes than any teaming the league. They added the

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Speaker 1: most players from other rosters, so it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: lot for them to deal with a totally new defensive system.

624
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: It's tough to add all those pieces right away and

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Speaker 1: make it work. Mark Dominic deserve credit for their ability

626
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: to make all those moves. He left them in very

627
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: good salary cap shape as opposed to the Raider situation

628
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: where Reggie Mackenzie came in and had his hands tied.

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Speaker 1: How about the Atlanta Falcons? What what do you what

630
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Speaker 1: do you see there? You say that I just I

631
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Speaker 1: just wanted to point out that Western this conversation still

632
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Speaker 1: couldn't help but bash the Raiders h part of every

633
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Speaker 1: That's the defense of Reggie Mackenzie. I know. But at

634
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: the same time, uh as far as the Falcons go, um,

635
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Speaker 1: I think we talked about a lot. They got a

636
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: lot tougher upfront. Also, I immediately upgrades the run defense

637
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Speaker 1: adding Tyson Jackson, resigning Babmanel, I think they become more

638
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: more spool they can. I still think they need to

639
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: add a young outside pass rusher, but they become much tougher,

640
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Speaker 1: which is something that Arthur Blank spoke about this week.

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Speaker 1: How that there was clearly one of their points of emphasis.

642
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: I think adding out some more on the offensive line

643
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: is a step. I still think they need to get

644
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: offensive tackle or two to help keep um Matt Ryan upright,

645
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: but I liked what they did up front on both lines.

646
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: If they pick up Jake matthewser Greg Robinson in the

647
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: first round, move Sam Baker to write tackle and then

648
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: get in edge edge rusher in the second round. This

649
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: could be one of the most improved teams in the NFL.

650
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: They've really plugged a lot of their holes and are

651
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: getting much tougher, which they needed to do. They still

652
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of the same pieces that have won

653
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: a lot of games. We did a post on Friday

654
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: looking at what teams have been the most stable since

655
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven, what players that were on the

656
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven roster are still there. In two thousand fourteen,

657
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 1: the Falcons were still near the top of the list

658
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: despite all the changes this year, they were in the

659
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: top five because they have a group of guys that

660
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: they drafted and developed that have won a lot of games.

661
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: So you're right they they're in position to bounce back

662
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: right away. What's the biggest need there? I look at

663
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: free safety. I mean, they don't really have anybody. They

664
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: cut Tom's Day coup. They swung a miss on Raphael

665
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: Bush who re um who the Saints match the offer

666
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: sheet there. They really don't have anybody in the back end.

667
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: That's something else they'll probably have to address in the draft.

668
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: And you also think the offensive tackle. They needed an

669
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: upgrade there. Absolutely exactly what rest West said, I think

670
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense if they stick at number six. All right.

671
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: How about the Saints, Well, I think I mean, considering

672
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: their lack of cap space and the Jimmy Graham situation

673
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: which still has to finish playing out. I mean, I

674
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: think they made what I consider the best movies, the

675
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: best signings, especially in this division. With Gyros Bird, I

676
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: think that he will change the way that Rob Ryan

677
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: can play that defense, and I think he's a huge upgrade.

678
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: And I think champ Bailey adds another element at cornerback. Well,

679
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: how did you say that free agent name? We're still

680
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: getting wrong after all this time. We should we should

681
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: know by now, Jared Bird fired. Those are also acceptable.

682
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: What about champ Bailey adding him to that secondary? Absolutely,

683
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: I think that that that adds the upgrade the cornerback position.

684
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: They still needed a third one. I think his I

685
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: think he still has some play left in him. They're

686
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: not gonna play him at safety, but I still think

687
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: he does have a year or two left in his legs.

688
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: Maybe he's very old at this point, coming off a

689
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: bad foot injury. Well, they talked about, yeah, not being

690
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: asked to go out athletically on the field, but they've

691
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: talked about playing a lot of three safety, which they

692
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: did early last year to some success. And this is

693
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: a team that's had a ton of turn over over

694
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: the last three years. Among teams that have had the

695
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: most amount of turnover since two thousand eleven, they're one

696
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: of the most winning teams despite having very little carry

697
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: over on defense. They've had three defensive coordinators in four years. Uh,

698
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: they've gotten rid of so many of the players that

699
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: have won the Super Bowl for them. They cut a

700
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: number of players this year. You think of the Saints

701
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: as a stable franchise because they've had the same GM,

702
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: the same coach, the same quarterback. But this has been

703
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: a roster completely in flux over the last few years.

704
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: Roster churn. Yeah, they were getting so old at wide

705
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: receiver and their defense is a lot tougher now, and

706
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: they stuck with a lot of those same offensive pieces

707
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: for a long time, and they need to start finding

708
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: the next Marcus Colston's. They found these guys in the

709
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: next Lance More's and uh Gyry Evans and all these

710
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: homegrown prospects that they really got in two thousand six,

711
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, they haven't had those guys coming through

712
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: the pipeline. And who's the next Darren's Sproles. I know

713
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: he's not a homegrown product, but he was a guy

714
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: that did a lot of help them a lot. Now

715
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: he's with the Eagles, Treveris Cadet. There is no next

716
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: Darren Sproles. How about Cadet? Patrick? I know you're a fan,

717
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: why not? I do? But I think he hasn't really

718
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: proven anything at this point. I'm not sure that Sean

719
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: Payton has the same face at this point that he

720
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: did and being able to line up Darren Sprowls anywhere

721
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: around the so potential another draft need for the team.

722
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Carolina Panthers. Finally, I think

723
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: everyone is kind of in the same boat, A little

724
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: down on the franchise. Spent a tough offseason after last

725
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: year's twelve and four. You say they took a step back, Yeah,

726
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: I think I mean with when they franchise Greg Hardy.

727
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: I think that signals what Gettleman was going to do

728
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: and that he was going to go cheap everywhere else. Uh.

729
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: They do have one of the best front sevens in

730
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: the NFL, and losing the double pieces on the back end,

731
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: I think that they're just going to plan on rushing

732
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: the passer and running the ball, and that's what their

733
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: plan is next year as he gets their cap space

734
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: in in order. I think personally that losing Jordan Gross,

735
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: which they have not replaced yet and if their plans

736
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: to replace him, was a mid to late round, first

737
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: round pick, I just don't see that helping Cam Newton,

738
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: especially coming off angle surgery. I feel like Gettleman. You

739
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: talk about Mackenzie, who inherited a nightmare. In terms of

740
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: the books, Gettleman has had to come in and be

741
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 1: like the Harvey titelent pulp fiction. I mean serious. He's

742
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: done a good job, but he keeps preaching the same message.

743
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: You're not gonna like what I have to do, but

744
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: I have to do it. I can't spend money on

745
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: these guys, we don't have it. Or how about Michael

746
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: Clayton George Cliney movie The Fixer. He comes in, he

747
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: fixes the both analogies fellas. I went with the common Man,

748
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: Greg went with Like the Art the semi art house

749
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: film that like I go. I go with the person

750
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: that got into a mas Da miata with Julia Sweeney,

751
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: that would be the wolf, all right, Patra home run,

752
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: Patra tell us more so, who let me let me

753
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: throw an off the wall? Off the wall? Suggestion? At you?

754
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: Um so? Ron Rivera has come out with this moneyball

755
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: as west Road about a couple of weeks ago, moneyball

756
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: idea where they only need to replace ten catches a game.

757
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: So what if Gettleman and Rivera look around the league

758
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: and with the cb A, nobody tackles anymore. They can't practice,

759
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: so they don't practice tackling, especially the start of the season,

760
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: tackling awful. And they just decide, you know what, we're

761
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: just gonna run the ball forty five times a game,

762
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: and we're just gonna go back to split veers, bring

763
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: it out, old school football, and we're just gonna run

764
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: the ball because none of these teams could tackle. What

765
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: would happen? They win three games? Yeah, I don't think.

766
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: They don't have the offensive line and they don't have

767
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I agree with that. I'm just saying

768
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: they down the stretch. I don't think the nineteen sixty

769
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: eight Nebraska game plan is gonna work in the NFL.

770
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: It would work, and it's definitely not gonna work with

771
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: D'Angelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart, who are good but not

772
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: great at this point, and they're banged up and and

773
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of offensive linemen that I've retired Kevin past.

774
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: Like I said, I would just off the wall idea

775
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: of throw it out there, anything else before we get

776
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: out of here, Kevin, what do you want to know?

777
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: I know why you feel like you must raise your fists.

778
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: Why can't you solve it with your mind and your mouth?

779
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: Why are you angry? I'm angry. It's not your fault.

780
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: Even it's not your fault. There's a good Billy Joel

781
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: song from like nineteen seventy six, angry young man. You

782
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: should listen to that, all right, I'll do that. You

783
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: are the young gun of the A T L Team.

784
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: So we're just trying to give you some big brother

785
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: type advice right now, and if you fight, we'll be

786
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: there for you. Okay, Really, I don't. I don't get

787
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: into fights anymore because before you know, it was just funny.

788
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: The next day, now you get I have to go

789
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: to jail. I feel like we're sending a mixed message.

790
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: Now it's like, don't fight Kevin. But if you do,

791
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: we got your back, buddy. That's what brothers do. Can

792
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: we expense that trip if we have to fly out

793
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: there on my own money, you're gonna have to check

794
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: or tried it. They want to put him all right, Kevin,

795
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: thank you for all that info was beautiful. Alright, alright,

796
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: thank you to Kevin Patrick. You know, Patrick could be

797
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: the guy if calling back to an earlier news story today,

798
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: the A t L member we were talking about this

799
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: downstairs most likely to kind of fly off the handle

800
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: in a big public setting, you know, think Michael Douglas

801
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: and falling down that type of public meltdown where just

802
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: the world is against you and now it's time to

803
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: fight back in a way. Some man I just want

804
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: to watch the world. Patra, Patra, you know, we know

805
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: he has a fighting history and he might be that guy.

806
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: He's got a tension of burning inside, especially when he

807
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: discovers that not able to be here and defend himself.

808
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: We u one last thing before we go. There was

809
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: an angry bon Jovi fan of the podcast that reached

810
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: out to both the A t L page and and

811
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: to my Twitter account. I felt like maybe the bon

812
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: Jovi thing it got a little personal. I mean, do

813
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: we really hate bon Jovie's I don't think bon Jovi

814
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: fans are really our target audience. Oh see, I think

815
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: our target I'll take whoever wants to listen hate him.

816
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: Who's who? Did we say we hear not on any level?

817
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: Do we hear it? STI and put out crappy music? Yeah,

818
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: just an opinion. I will throw two out there Midnight

819
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: and Chelsea great Naps. They're fine. Back at ninety nine

820
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: off John bon Jovi solo album. That's about twelve on

821
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: the list of songs with Chelsea and the title and

822
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: uh always the ballad, power Ballad, Crucial, slow Dance, par over,

823
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: high School home Coming. We can't please everyone, Dan, you

824
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: know you want to get to the top we got,

825
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: we might have to ruffle some feathers along the way,

826
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: maybe a bon Jovi fan or two. I'm just saying,

827
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: there's so many worst fans in bon Jovi. I'm not

828
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: even a bon Jovi fan, but I'm just you know,

829
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: because bon Jovia doesn't have enough going for him. You

830
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: know I'd agree with that. Al Right, whatever, we'll be

831
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: back on Wednesday. We'll finish out the divisions of Raw

832
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: the Reset on Wednesday, and you know, of course, talk

833
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: about the NFL news and any draft news coming up.

834
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: We're gonna start getting more plugged into that scene as

835
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: that approaches. Until then, this is Dad Hands signing off

836
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: for the Mail Band, the Sizzler, the Boss and the

837
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: gold Standard behind the glass. Oh Wes, what are you

838
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: doing here?