1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Ron and Anian. I've got the rad boys. I've got 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: I've got two guys in front of the ones a 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Giant's jersey, once a Jets jersey, and in between. During 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: the show they're knocking each other around and just worth 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: my tony. When I needed the car Doctor. It depends 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: on where the computer came from. If the computer came 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: with a memical, then they probably sent he was back complete. 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of Ron and Nian the 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: Car Doctor, since this is where car owners the world 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If 11 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up the 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: phone and call in the garage to orders are open, 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: but I am here to take your fault at eight 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: five five six and now running. Hey, it's time to 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: start your engines once again. Join me here Ronan the 16 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: Car Doctor at eight five five five zero nine nine 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: zero zero eight five five five six oh nine nine 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: zero zero five six zero nine nine zero zero. Is 19 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: that right? Which is right? Eight five five five six 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero or five six nine nine 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: zero zero, Either way, whatever works one, whatever it does, 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: give us a call seven phone number. It's there. For 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: you to use and utilize as you see fit. Recent commentary, 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: a recent article it's gonna make a comment about it 25 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: was in the news last night that they're predicting in 26 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: the next ten years there's going to be a shortage 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: of a hundred and seventy five thousand over the road truckers. 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: Did anybody did anybody here about this? There's gonna be 29 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: a shortage of eighteen wheel or eighteen wheel truck drivers. 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: There's they're predicting a shortage of up to a hundred 31 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand truck drivers. And I said to myself, 32 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: if we're that short on drivers, how short are we 33 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: gonna be on mechanics to actually fix them? And that 34 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: becomes a problem. Of course, by then all the mechanics 35 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: that we're working on automobile eels will have moved over 36 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: to the trucking business because everybody's gonna be driving, everybody's 37 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: gonna be owning a driverless car. We won't need mechanics. 38 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: Will just rebuild them like we did slot cars back 39 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: in the sixties, where we pop things out and pop 40 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: things in and no more excessive diagnostics and moving parts. 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: So but just um boy, the world is changing awful fest. 42 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the repair of the week 43 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: this week. We haven't done in a while, and I 44 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: had a good one this week, and I want to 45 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: kind of discuss a little bit about pinouts, not pin ups, 46 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: Tony down, I want to I don't want to discuss 47 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: pin ups. I want to discuss pinouts, alright. Pinning out 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: a component is when you're doing a diagnosis, trying to 49 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: figure out what's wrong with the vehicle, and you need 50 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: to understand what all the wires do, how does that 51 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: component operate, what makes it tick? Had a two thousand 52 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: Toyota Avalon, and I put this video up on Facebook. 53 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: If you want to get out to the roninating in 54 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: the car doctor Facebook page, put this video up there 55 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: and you'll see it in its entirety. But basically it 56 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: came down to the problem was there are four buttons 57 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: on this master power windows switch for this two thousand avalon. 58 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: The driver's window worked fine, Auto up, auto down, no problem. So, 59 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: looking at a wiring diagram right off the bat, I 60 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: can take the driver's window wiring out of the equation. 61 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: It's got nothing to do with my problem. If I 62 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: push any one of the other buttons from the driver's 63 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: door master switch. Those windows don't work, they don't go 64 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: up or down. There are two buttons left. There is 65 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: a lockout button that disables the power windows system so 66 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: that the other windows don't work. And there is a 67 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: door lock button that runs the doorlocks the power doorlocks. Now, 68 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: of course, naturally, my first lord is, let's take a 69 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: look at this master on off switch. How does it? 70 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: How does it work? Now? There is a twelve volt wire, 71 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: a twelve volt feed coming in on pin eight on 72 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: this particular car that you can watch the state of 73 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: change to see, you know, is it zero? Is it 74 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: twelve vaults? And you know when it's when it's off, 75 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna see twelve vaults on that circuit because you've 76 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: lost your ground leg And sure enough, zero twelve volts, 77 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: zero twelve volts, So that button did work. That wasn't 78 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: my problem. That left me with four powers, four twelve 79 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: volt feeds, which I went through all of them, and 80 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: the ground the ground was on the black white trace 81 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: coming off the back of the switch, and that provided 82 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: ground for the entire switch. I had ground. As a 83 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: matter of fact, when I measured for voltage, I went 84 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: off the ground, the ground being on one side of 85 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: my hots on the other I knew when I had 86 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: power at the four hots, the four wires coming into 87 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: power of the switch. That's not my problem. I'm down 88 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: to two wires. As I pin out this power window 89 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: switch on this two thousand Toyota Avalon, I'm down to 90 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: two wires. I've got a red yell and I've got 91 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: a green. The green goes over towards the passengers side 92 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: power window master switch because they've got one on that door, 93 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: and the red yellow goes to the body computer. Now, 94 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: the way this works, this is early. This is what 95 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: I consider early controlled area network can data bus stuff. 96 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: It's that a bus data packets where you'll see my 97 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: engineer is gonna get excited in a minute. You'll see 98 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: data blips. You'll see zero to twelve vaults four or 99 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: five times on a scope screen, and then you'll see 100 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: a flat line and then you'll see more of data blips, 101 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: and that tells you that there's communication or there's something 102 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: going on on that line. Here's the problem. It's a 103 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: two thousand car. We've got no scan tool communication. There's 104 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: no way for me to look at the body computer 105 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: to see what those blips are doing, or if they're 106 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: even reaching the body compooter. The only way I can 107 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: do that would be to go to the BCM, which 108 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: is under the dash on the left side, not in 109 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: a great spot, and tap into the other side of 110 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: that red yellow wire. Am I seeing the same blips? 111 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: So that's not out of the question. But that's not 112 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: something I really want to look forward to because it's 113 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: in a really bad spot. Do I want to go 114 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: over to the passenger side power windows switch and check 115 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: and see is the wire got continuity there? And if 116 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't, do I want to just run a wire 117 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: right across the interior of the car, make the connection 118 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: and see if the windows work. Because this was early 119 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: data bus stuff. This was this was way back when 120 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: they were thinking, well, I go, someday, we're gonna make 121 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: everything talk to everything else, and you know this is 122 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: how it all started. And I said, no, I don't 123 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: want to do that either. I know I had data, 124 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: I know I had signal. Right, my my two wires 125 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: that were left as I'm pinning out the switch, the 126 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: only two that were left were showing me signs of voltage. Now, 127 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: one thing you have to remember when you do this, 128 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: and I talk about this in the video on Facebook. 129 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: Because I've got data signal on both wires doesn't make 130 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: both circuits good. The signal could be coming in on 131 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: one wire and going out on the other. I don't 132 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: necessarily know which way the electrons are gonna flow or why. 133 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: I just know that they're there, and there's nowhere you're 134 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: gonna find this information unless happen to find another two 135 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: thousand avalon and start cutting wires and figuring out what's 136 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: going where and what's the practicality of that. The point 137 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: of this is, and this is what makes it kind 138 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: of interesting. Here's a case where you got to weigh 139 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: out dollars. You've got to weigh dollars against time spent, 140 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: against age of the vehicle, against customer wishes. It was 141 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: a sixty seven dollar switch, six and fifty bucks for 142 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: a power windows switch. Well, I'm kind of laughing because 143 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: I've got a lapscope pooked up to a power window 144 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: switch to die ignosed it a labscope, And I'm saying 145 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: to myself, this used to be you know, up down change, 146 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: polarity change changed which way the motor ran and the 147 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: window would go up or down. It's just like, Wow, 148 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: look what we're doing in the end, Mike Spock, And 149 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: I think I was wrong in that. I said, I 150 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: said Star Trek three. I think it was Star Trek four. 151 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: Somebody corrected me Star Trek four where they had to 152 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: get back from San Francisco, they had to get back 153 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: to the future. Was it four? Tony says it was four. 154 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: And Spock really wasn't sure about the time space calculations. 155 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: And Kirk said, Spot, give me your best guests and 156 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: guest captain, it's not in my nature and I know 157 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: that will make next week's previews. And Tom, are you listening? 158 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: And as Spot guest, and he was right. I guessed 159 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: I was right. I said, let's put the six hundred 160 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: something dollar power window switch in it, because what are 161 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: your choices? The b c M last time I did 162 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: when it was four bucks. The wiring issue could be 163 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: where's the bro can wire in the eighteen year old car? 164 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: Or is it something? And g you hope for you know, 165 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, you never you never sat in hope so 166 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: hard that it would be only a six fifty dollar part. Okay, 167 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: I would be so happy just to spend the six 168 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: fifty bucks for this guy and The point here is 169 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: that technology has made it better in some cases, and 170 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: you only have to miss the technology to realize how 171 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: bad you miss it and how much you need it 172 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: in that sense, because to be able to be to 173 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: have been able to gone in there with a scan 174 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: tool and look at that stream and look at signal 175 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: switches and you know, to see what we're seeing and 176 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: what we want to say, UM, would have definitely made 177 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: a would have definitely made it a lot easier. But 178 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: it's it's one of the upticks for newer vehicles. I 179 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: see Mr Ray has wandered over the microphone. Is either 180 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: turning me off or he's got a comment. I'm just curious, 181 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: what is so special about this switch that makes it 182 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: six tom. I took it apart because I had to 183 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: take it apart. Um, you know, I took it apart 184 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: as I would anything else, and I sprayed some contact cleaner. 185 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: What started this, all right, was the customer told me 186 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: during the check in process that the window was left 187 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: open a little bit and the switch got wet. But 188 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: and then he sat there with a hair dryer trying 189 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: to dry the switch. Now I looked at the interior, 190 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: there was no burn marks, It's not like I saw 191 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: places of the interior melted from the hair dryer that 192 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: he overheated it. But I said, well, maybe something got 193 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: on the context of the switch. Maybe something got on 194 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: the circuit board created an issue. Once I diagnosed into 195 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: that where I'm thinking, this is a switch, I took 196 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: the switch all apart, and I've got to tell you 197 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: it was all ensconced and rubber, all right. This thing 198 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: was this thing just nothing could get through this. This 199 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: thing was just impenetrable, all right. And I sprayed it 200 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: with contact cleaner and I dried it off and I 201 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: put it together. No change. But it's basically it's probably 202 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: an inch by five inches long. It's got a ton 203 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: of chips on it. It actually had some chips on 204 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: it from a m D. I was looking at the names, 205 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: so it had it had some really high tech stuff 206 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: on it for a power windows switch. Okay, So so 207 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: the thing actually has some brains to it and has 208 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: some has going on logistics and logic, and that kind 209 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: of explains it because I I'm looking at a switch 210 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: and and listen, I'm more amazed that you could still 211 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: buy the switch assembly because the car is eighteen years old. 212 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Toyota had it in stock. 213 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: So that tells me two things. One their their cars 214 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: really do last a long time because they're they're still 215 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: selling parts for these things to justify the existence. And 216 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: number two, people believe in the product because they're still 217 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: buying six and fifty dollar switches for Toyotas that are 218 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: eighteen years old. Um, you know, and not for nothing. Okay, 219 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: maybe if it's more than one model year car, but still, uh, 220 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's still a fifteen, sixteen year old part 221 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: in my eyes. But anyway, that fixed it. Pinning out 222 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: does work. Um, it's something that mechanics have been doing 223 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: for years and years, and uh, it's something that we'll 224 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: probably continue to do from anymore. But we're gonna have 225 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: to upgrade our scopes from what recent conversations I've had 226 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: with some people. So I just thought I would share 227 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,599 Speaker 1: that with you. And it was the switch, and we 228 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: ended up fixing the car as we usually do. Eight 229 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: zero running end of the car, Doctor and run a 230 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: little late this segment, Liam, pull over and take the pause. 231 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this to take your calls. Hey, 232 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: welcome back. We're don't eating the car doctor. You know, 233 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: just some quick commentary. We were talking about, um, you know, 234 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: Hurricane Harvey and and and it's effect. I found the 235 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: article I was looking for USA today is talking about 236 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: up to one million cars and trucks may have damaged 237 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: cars in the Houston area. So it's it's it's staggering. 238 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: You know, we don't realize it, but you look at 239 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: what these people are going through. You know, the water 240 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: is just over the roof of the cars. The water 241 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: is just carrying cars away. There was a picture of 242 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: a fellow driving on a road. He got swept into 243 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: a into a drainage ditch and they had to rescue 244 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: him in the vehicle just it was an F one 245 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: and fifty. The vehicle just floated away off off into 246 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: the wild blue light goodbye. UM. So now they're thinking, 247 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, up to a million vehicles maybe ruined them 248 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: all along the Texas Gulf Coast. According to this article 249 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: UM and data from automotive data firm Black Book, in 250 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: the Houston area, about one in seven cars may have 251 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: been destroyed. Said ever Court, investment banking advisory and research firm. 252 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: So what you've got to realize is to make up 253 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: that million cars, uh, you know, and to find them. 254 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: But the concern is what are you gonna do? And 255 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: you've got to be careful. And this is really the 256 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: point of this statement that I think we've all got 257 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: to be a little careful buying used cars. Where did 258 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: they come from? And you know they can do a 259 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: lot to make a car up here dry. You know 260 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: it's pulled the carpet and and but it's there's a 261 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: lot they can do. You've got to be carefully. You've 262 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: got to know from whom you're buying, and you've got 263 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: to look at their reputation, and um, it's really gonna 264 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: be buy or beware and due diligence. One of the 265 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: things I always look at when I'm looking at a 266 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: car and I want to see if I've I've got 267 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: a concern about flood is I will open the trunk, 268 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: open the trunk or the spare tire well and look 269 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: in there, because you will see the waterline, all right. 270 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: Whereas they always remember to clean the interior. They'll clean 271 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: the interior, the carpet, the seats, the door panels, and 272 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: so forth, But to clean the waterline and the trunk, 273 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: they don't necessarily always do that. So you want to 274 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: take a look at that. But I would be it 275 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: would be too simple to say, hey, watch out for 276 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: cars down south, you know, the watercars from Harvey. Because listen, 277 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: you be in Colorado and get a Harvey water car, 278 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: because they'll ship cars, they'll put them on a train, 279 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: and they'll bring them all over the country. So I 280 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: think all of us, UM have to do some due 281 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: diligence and and just to be aware and keep an 282 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: eye on what it is that we're buying before we 283 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: buy it, because um, we could have some problems. UM. 284 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: But in any event, article from Anthony Emilio, I want 285 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: to talk about this till we started this conversation a 286 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: while ago. UM, Anthony out in Chicago. He's my he's 287 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: my guy on the ground. UM. We were talking a 288 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: little bit ago about people are buying and shifting more 289 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: into leasing, UM and and the conversation was four point 290 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: three million cars or leased in twenty sixteen, which when 291 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: we talked to Paul Eisenstein, he said, yeah, that number 292 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: is accurate, but it also doesn't take into a into 293 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: account other factors that you know, the way the banks reported, 294 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: in the way some of the car companies reported. So 295 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: there's more than four million vehicles being leased, uh you know, 296 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: in the country right now. But um. The article also 297 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: goes on to talk about how car manufacts are happy 298 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: is leasing brings a steady stream of customers into dealerships 299 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: more often. One of the things you gotta remember about 300 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: leasing is leasing is just another form of financing the vehicle. 301 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: And as we talk about Harvey and flood cars and 302 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: being aware of what it is we're buying, we've we've 303 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: got to be aware that maybe that lease looks viable. 304 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: But the problem becomes, you know, is that what we 305 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: really want and can we afford it long term? I 306 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: was thinking about something today. I was looking at a 307 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: price tag on a new Chevy Suburban. A new suburban 308 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: is somewhere in the area of seventy two thousand dollars. 309 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: What does that look like on a payment book if 310 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: you were going to buy it? What do you are 311 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: you putting fifty grand down and financing thirty two dollars? 312 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: And what does that look like? How much of a 313 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: monthly payment is that seven? That's Tony says too much, 314 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: I you know, over what time frame? But still, um, 315 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: cars are just getting too darn expensive. Least payments the 316 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: article continues, are calculated based on the car's cost and 317 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: negotiated just as new car purchase would be. At the 318 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: end of the three years, the lease holder drops off 319 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: the car and starts the process. And no, which is 320 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: another problem and something you have to be aware of. 321 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: Are you ready to do that? You know, cars are 322 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: a lifestyle. I've said that for years, but you've got 323 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: to decide are you ready to are you ready to 324 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: just always have a payment? And is that something you're 325 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: looking forward to? But the other thing I always bring 326 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: up when I start thinking about leasing and every of 327 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: these articles is are you ready to understand what order 328 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: repair is? Are you ready to understand that process? And 329 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: judging by some of the reactions, I don't think you are. 330 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: I think a lot of you are afraid of order repair. 331 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: And I'm hoping that's what we're doing here. That's what 332 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: we help you with, UM, because we you know, we're 333 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: we're that, that's our job, that's what we're supposed to 334 00:17:54,160 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: be doing. UM. But just you know, leasing shear. Lexus 335 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: said sixty of its car sales have been leases, up 336 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: from sixty one a year earlier. Those these those rates, 337 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: in those rates, these rates, those rates put Lexus among Infinity, 338 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: BMW and Audi as automakers with the highest leasing rates. 339 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: Leasing is always a good thing for us because it 340 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: helps us retain customers, he said David Goldberg of Lexus. 341 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: So things to think about. We'll be back right after this. 342 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: I'm run the name the Car Doctors. Don't go away. 343 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back. Ran a name the car Doctor. Eight five 344 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: five zero nine nine zero zero. I just want to 345 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: finish this article, and then I've gotten a couple of 346 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: emails from you, so we'll go to those. Uh. In 347 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: reaction to it, um lease payments are calculating. We talked 348 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: about that leasing is especially popular among popular among luxury 349 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: car shoppers, who, in addition to wanting the latest and 350 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: greatest technology, also don't want an old car. You know 351 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: that's true. I think people again, cars are a lifestyle, right, 352 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: It's a status thing. Someone brought me a Steen Forward 353 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: Fusion yesterday to look at a used vehicle they were 354 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: buying at fifteen thousand miles on it, and I was 355 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: kind of pleasantly surprised as person. It wasn't a flashy car. 356 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: It was it was a two B transportation and still 357 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: had you know, air conditioning. And power options and satellite 358 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: radio and you look at it and say, how much 359 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: more do you need? What else do you have to 360 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: stuff into the vehicle? And um, you know, if that 361 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: becomes an issue too. This year Lexus said this is 362 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: where we were. Sales have been leases up from those 363 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: those rates put among BMW Infinity anality. Leasing is good 364 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: for us because it helps us retain customers, said David Goldberg, 365 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: Lexis Lexus Sales and production planning manager. Goldberg says when 366 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: a customer leases Alexis, the person typically ends up leasing 367 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: another Lexus because the connection has been made with a brand. 368 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: Some dealers charge of fee fo less hes don't stick 369 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: with the brand once the lease is up. Yeah, you know, 370 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: and that's they're there to make money. I guess the 371 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: dealers are just you know, coming up with new and 372 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: creative ways to you know, to finance and and incentives. 373 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: Lexus introduced or introduces a new gadgets and features with 374 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: each new series to keep less He's coming back. The 375 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: latest models feature a panoramic few mirror, which is just 376 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: four cameras to create a bird's eye view through a 377 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: sixty degree view to eliminate blind spots, to eliminate blind spot. 378 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: Oh in the mirror, that's what they're talking about. Okay. 379 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: The years they have will bring more rapid development as 380 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: automakers manufacture greener cars and turn their attention to semi 381 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: and fully autonomous vehicles. The rate of changing cars is quicker. 382 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: In the outcome of that is a lot of new feature, 383 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: said Jessica Caldwell, senior analyst at Edmunds. This month, Yeah, 384 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: this is where we got this from. This month, Volvo 385 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: announced that all new models starting in twenty nineteen will 386 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: come equipped with an electric motor, making it the first 387 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 1: traditional soup the first traditional automaker to supplement or replace 388 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: all of its combustion engine with electrification. I just don't 389 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: say it. I don't see how we're gonna have the 390 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: infrastructure in the support system, but um god bless them, 391 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: they say they're gonna do it. The article then goes 392 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: on that nearly a third of all millennials least instead 393 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: of bought in. See. I think it's an age group thing. 394 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: I think the millennials think that not the not the 395 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: you know typecast an entire generation. But I think the 396 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: millennials tend to think that cars are just too expensive. 397 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: To fix and why fix it? Just just go buy 398 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: another one? Um, you know how much could it take? 399 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: And life is the great equalizer. From Thomas Burke, ron 400 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: regular listener of the show. First, let me state. Let 401 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: me first state that the late seventies I have been 402 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: a fan of buying extended warranties, whether it buy a 403 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: used car or a new car. The reason I do 404 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: that is if you can get the price of the 405 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: car down two grand, there's no better investment in the 406 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: car itself. Really, I don't think, well, I don't know. 407 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: If I don't know, if I consider cars a good investment. Um, 408 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: I would have to say that, well, it's a it's 409 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: a whole. You throw money and it's like a boat. Um. 410 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: On the cars that I have bought this way, five 411 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: of seven neter repairs that were as much as are 412 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 1: more than the cost of the warranty. And Second, as 413 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: an accountant, uh huh, I knew this guy was counting 414 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: money somewhere. Um. Second, as an accountant, I looked the 415 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: idea of making double monthly payments, say a four hundred 416 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: dollar card payment or five repair for an A C unit. 417 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: I do feel that leasing a vehicle is only a 418 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: good idea if you can write a major part of 419 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: the monthly payments, Like if you're a salesman more than 420 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: sixties sevent you're driving his business. One exception in I 421 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: leased a new Saturn just to see if I liked it, 422 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: and I did. I did so, so I negotiated a 423 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: great briout with the warranty of course. Um yeah, and 424 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: you know a different perspective, but you know, the leasing 425 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: concept is there. It just comes down to dollars. It 426 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 1: comes down to what are we trying to accomplish and 427 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: for how much? And that that just plays a huge 428 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: part in how we want to deal with automobiles and 429 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: the technology that goes along there. Hey, um, you know, 430 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: just for those of you out there driving, recent bulletin 431 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: came out and I've seen a few of these, so 432 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: I wanted to mention it because it seems to becoming 433 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: becoming a I won't say a hot button, but um, 434 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: it's getting to be common. If you're driving a General 435 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: Motors two point five lid with you know, a little 436 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: four cylinder, and that's in a lot of their vehicles, 437 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: you may be seeing a fault code P zero four eleven, 438 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: which is caused by bad fuel. You know, fuel is 439 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: creating havoc. It's playing havoc with these vehicles. Um. This 440 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: article goes on, this may be caused by using inferior fuel, 441 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: creating restrictions in the secondary air injection ports or s 442 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: AI and the cylinder head resulting and higher than expected 443 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: operating temperatures. If the ports are diagnosed as the cause, 444 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: they can be cleaned using And they talk about some 445 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: carbon cleaning and I'm gonna tell you they can also 446 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: be used. They can also be cleaned with Berryman uh 447 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: fuel System Adative you know more Berryman Products dot com. 448 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: Because this is the kind of stuff they're exactly talking about. 449 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: All right, Um, there our secondary airports in between the 450 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: exhaust manifolds and they're talking about those ports getting clogged, 451 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: not allowing air to reach the manifold and there thereby 452 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: also reached the oxygen sensor UM and show measurement there 453 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: as well. So, UM, just a case for doing carbon cleaning. 454 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 1: And we're back to that that it's just it's just 455 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: that important. So UM, just be mindful of that. We 456 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: can get rid of that. We can get rid of that. 457 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: Least comment this segment flashpack. We are in September at 458 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: the end of this month their sail end. There's a 459 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: rebate and all flash pack tuners from the folks over 460 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: at super chips. UM. You can get out to their 461 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: website super chips dot com for more information. But just 462 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: be aware that if you're thinking of and I hate 463 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: to say it, but early holiday gifts, oh my gosh, um, 464 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: early Christmas or otherwise gifts, you can do one of 465 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: these on by these There's a twenty five dollar rebate 466 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: going on now through Septem and more information is available 467 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: at super chips dot com. So um, just just be 468 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: mindful of that. Let's pull over and take the pause. 469 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: Zero nine zero zero. We'll get back to the phones 470 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: when we return. I'm rond Nating the Car Doctor, stay tuned. 471 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: Welcome back, n n Needing the Car Doctor. Thanks for 472 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: joining us this Saturday. Zero nine zero zero. Let's get 473 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: on over and talk to Alan Lacrosse, Wisconsin, ninety nine ranger. 474 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. How can I help? 475 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: How you doing good? Sir? Yeh problem with the Win 476 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: show ever taken off? I don't know if I need 477 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: an exorcist or mechanic because it's start saying all night 478 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: off and then it quits after a while, and about 479 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: two weeks later the windshow right, were kicking again and 480 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: started working And I didn't even put the switch. So 481 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: they're they're just they're just going on and off by themselves, right, exactly, right. Um, 482 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: has anybody tried to diagnosis any dashboard warning lights on 483 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: anything else going on with the vehicle? Well, yeah, dashboard 484 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: later done all the time check and yeah that's and 485 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: that's not that's not necessarily gonna be related Where I 486 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: would where I would go with this, You probably have 487 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: a bad uh multi function switch all right. For the 488 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: wipers themselves, they were very common to fail. There's several 489 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: things you can do to diagnose it. You know here 490 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: we are, all right, it's how deep do we want 491 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: to get? Um? But what I would tell you, what 492 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: I would tell you you've got to at least do, 493 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: is somebody's got to pull the column covers down and 494 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: take a look at the wiring. And you want to 495 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: pin out the switch. You want to look for power 496 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: and ground and then look for signal coming out of 497 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: the switch. If that's if that switch is putting out 498 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: a signal in the off position, then the switch itself 499 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: is short and internally and it's failing. So what your 500 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: mechanic could do is figure out which one of the 501 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: I think there's fourteen wires there, which one of those 502 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: wires is gonna trigger the wiper motor wire wire in 503 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: a side marker bulb. You know what a side like 504 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: a you know what a side marker ball is. Now 505 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: a little tiny bulb like you would use in the 506 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: front side markers for directional or blinker. And you know, 507 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: you can go out to an oriy you don't know 508 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,479 Speaker 1: Ralliota parts near you. You can get out to an 509 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: Orilliota parts by a one bulb and a one ninety 510 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: four bulb socket, sit down with a wiring diagram, break 511 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: it out. Have your mechanic wire that bulbin so that 512 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: if you turn the wipers on, that bulb would light. 513 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: In other words, put it on the signal wire going 514 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: out to the wiper motor. Right now, leave the wipers off, 515 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: leave the bulb connected. If that bulb gets lit without 516 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: you turn the switch on, the switch is shorted. You 517 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: just you you just prove that switch bad. That switches 518 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: providing power to the wiper motor without being turned on. Okay, 519 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: all right, I was saying I was thinking I was 520 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: the the body the body computer could be. I mean, 521 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you to do a complete 522 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: vehicle scan to look at all the modules to see, 523 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, and and on a ford it's a GEM module, 524 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: or it should be a GEM module generic electronic module. UM. 525 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: Take a look at the take a look at the 526 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: gym modules. See what that's doing. And you're right there 527 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: they're providing signal to that. But again, now, now the 528 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: other side of this is if the wipers go off 529 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: and you've got a bulb wired into the output signal 530 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: of the switch and that bulb is not lit, but 531 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: the wipers are working. Now we've got to look for 532 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: something else that's triggering those wipers. And yes, maybe it 533 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: is the gym. Maybe the GEM is tripping the UH 534 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: system and turning it on. There there there's no there's 535 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: there's no simple answer for that one. Now, the other 536 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: thing you could do is or your mechanic could do, 537 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: is to plug in a scan tool. How much scan 538 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: tool data or how much body module data can you 539 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: read on a scan tool? Can you show request for 540 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: wiper UH inter it in high, low, et cetera. What 541 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: will the scan too will tell you if you well 542 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: ninety nine nine, you know, that's kind of primitive stuff. 543 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: But the fact that it's got a GEM module, I 544 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't put it past it. Ford was ahead of their 545 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: time with a lot of that stuff twenty years ago. Yeah, 546 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: I had a problem with an old in star like 547 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: that that everything was going crazy when the windows are 548 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: up and down, the win show, the wipers are going 549 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: this and that way, and everything that tend out to 550 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: be turned out to be a GEM module, right, And 551 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: it could be. But if you want to diagnose it 552 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: using the bulb method, um, you know, would be would 553 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: be the way to go, just to just to pen 554 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: it out. Well, because it's hard for you to you 555 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: can you're not gonna drive around with a voltmeter and 556 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to get out at that 557 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: moment on the highway. Um. We we will at times 558 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: wire up two to three bulb sockets again all available 559 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: at O Rilly Auto Parts, and we will wire up 560 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: two to three bulb sockets and stick different colored bulbs 561 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: in the socket. Customer will can and and they'll say, well, 562 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: the red one went off, for the blue one went 563 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: off for the white one went off, and we'll know, 564 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: we'll know what circuit we were about, or this one 565 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: was on, this one was off. You know, using bulbs 566 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: to diagnose circuit faults is not anything new, but it's 567 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: I don't see a lot or done as nearly as 568 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: much as it was ten years ago. It seems like 569 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: we're a counting more and more on scan tools, which 570 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: is okay, But if this car does enough scan tool 571 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: data for it, then we're we're we're barking up the 572 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: wrong tree. Yeah. The other thing is that the check 573 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: inzin light. Um, I run through some uh mass air 574 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: fol stuff and the and put some carburetic cleaner in there, 575 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: and it didn't see him to change much. Do you 576 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: know I think that says, well, do you know what 577 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: fault code it is? Do you know what fault code 578 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: it is? Hell? Um, yeah, I think it come out well, 579 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: we didn't went to a local fire store, and I 580 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: think it was, uh the computer this the cause uh 581 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: P zero zero one seven one four. I am that number, right, 582 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: I am it? Uh anyway, I can't recall it. But anyway, 583 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: as he the son of me, I guess the uh 584 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: yeah man, not the mass careful but yeah, oh two 585 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: centsor yeah, the old two centsor it sounds like the 586 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: auction censor might be bad. Okay, well yeah, it depends 587 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: on what you know. What code do we have? Al Right? 588 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: I mean it sounds it sounds like you're getting some 589 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: sort of a fuel trim uh mixture or fault code. Um, 590 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: so I'll tell you what here, Let me do this. 591 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: Let me pull over and take this pause, don't go away. 592 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: When I come back, I'll give you some detailed information 593 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: on looking and i'll make a fuel trim diagnostic expert 594 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: atty in two minutes. All right, so you you you 595 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: stick around and I'll come back and do that. I'm 596 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: Eating the Car Doctor. We'll be back right after this. 597 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back Eating the Card Doctors. 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You're still there, sir, 606 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: so on the assumption dangerous word, especially here on family radio, 607 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: that this is some sort of a fuel trim code 608 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: you're describing to me without two censors and all. Is 609 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: this a V six or four cylinder arranger? Okay, so 610 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: we've we got right. We've got two banks to this engine, 611 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: right bank, one bank too, depending depending upon what fault 612 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: code this is. If this is an oxygen sensor, heat 613 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: or fault, the tests are very specific and they're generally 614 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: proved out to be heaters because the heater circuits and 615 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,959 Speaker 1: the O two is actually go bad. But if this 616 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: is fuel trim real related, the way, the way I 617 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: want to explain fuel trim to you is um or 618 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: let me ask you do you do you understand fuel 619 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: trim all? Or is it? Is it Greek to you? 620 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: At this point? Okay, um, did you take uh? Did 621 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: you take geometry and algebra and all that stuff in 622 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: high school? Okay? Remember remember the X Y axis with 623 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: zero in the middle, and then it had negative numbers 624 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: and positive numbers on that on that timeline. Okay, so 625 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: zero is a balanced fuel mixture, all right? If the engine, 626 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: if the engine is running lean and it needs more fuel, 627 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna start to add numbers on that timeline. We're 628 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: gonna creep up to plus four plus five plus ten plus, 629 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: all right, if the engine is if the engine is 630 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: running rich, they can't add oxygen, but they can take 631 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: away fuel. So we look at the zero or the 632 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: negative side to the left of that zero in that timeline, 633 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: and we'll see negative one negative two negative, oney negative. 634 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 1: We're subtracting fuel. So that that being said, engines are 635 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: either adding or subtracting fuel all the time. It just 636 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: depends to what level and specification. Most most modern engines 637 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 1: will run fuel trim somewhere in the neighborhood of five 638 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: to fift on a regular basis, but not to exceed. 639 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: And when I say that, it's done as a combination 640 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: of short term fuel trim, what's here in the here 641 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: and now, what are we doing right now, right now, 642 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: right now, and long term, which is which is history. 643 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: What did we do twenty minutes ago, what we do 644 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: two hours ago, that's long term, that's history. Five to 645 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: fift we'll use as a number. We start getting beyond 646 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: fIF total fuel trim and we reach the potential of 647 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: setting a fault code and turning on a check engine light. 648 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: So when you start to diagnose this, you want to 649 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: look at a scan tool to the fuel trims, show 650 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 1: you side to side. Is one side leaner or richer 651 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: than the other? How far off is it? Two to 652 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: three pc doesn't bother me. If one side is positive 653 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: and the other side is zero, I'm looking for something 654 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: that's affecting that one side. Maybe you've got a bad 655 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: OH too, Maybe I've got a vacuum leak for that side. 656 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 1: Maybe I've got an injector issue. But that's basic fuel 657 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: trim diagnosis. Steps one on one to take, get a 658 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: scan tool, get the code back. We'll go from there. 659 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm on a nading the car doctor. The mechanics aren't expensive, 660 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 1: they're priceless.