1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: Well, it's cancer season, mar I'm feeling all good. 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 3: You're feeling all good? 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, I'm feeling great. Actually, well, this. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 3: Has been a hell of a new moon. I can 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 3: tell you that since the new moon, which would have 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 3: been five and what is this the first? So we've 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: been last six seven days, right, A lot of emotions, 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: a lot of stuff going on with the energy of 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: this new moon. Very powerful. 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? Because I literally do 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: not feel it. I feel great, Like I'm truly. 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: Like, Well, that doesn't mean the whole world feels great, I. 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: Know, but I'm just saying to tell me about it 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: because I usually feel a sense of what the collective 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: is feeling, like I typically that's what I feel. And 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 2: right now you just said it's been a very emotional 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: and I'm like, wait, what it has because I've just 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: been great? Is it because I'm so used to this 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: kind of energy? Probably okay, and everyone else is like 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: now living with all the emotional feels that I feel 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: all the time. 24 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like you get a break for a week, right, 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 3: or two. 26 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: That's kind of what I was just thinking. I'm like, 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: welcome to my world. Moa hahahaha. All right, well tell 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: me about what's going on since I'm just in La 29 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: la land apparently. 30 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the big deal and just kind of 31 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: breathed through. Cancer in general is that cancer is emotionally 32 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: adept because it's trying to bring together the masculine and 33 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: the feminine, okay, which is the conscious and unconscious, and 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 3: so this is a meeting of where the soul comes together. 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 3: When cancer learns how to control emotions, that's how they 36 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: learn how to just operate through feelings, which is how 37 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 3: the intuitive side comes through, and then they're not so emotional. 38 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: Is that why the cancer symbol is almost it looks 39 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: a little bit like Yin and yong energy symbol. 40 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: Well, it's actually the crab I mean, thank you. 41 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: Know what I'm talking about on the zodiac likes. 42 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: To go out and explore. But at the first sign 43 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: of trouble, what do they do. They scatter back to 44 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: the home, right, scatter back into their shell. So it's 45 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 3: like you go into a group, you feel the whole group, 46 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: and if you don't feel good, you start having body twitches, right, 47 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 3: they tell you, Hey, it's time to go back home, 48 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 3: let me get out of this situation or whatever. It's 49 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: because so you're so open to people because you initiate 50 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 3: an emerging process. It's the difficulty is that you initiate 51 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: feelings through relationships. So this is how you learn and 52 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: grow how to handle emotions and become one with yourself 53 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: and be able to overcome any difficulties that the external 54 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 3: world has to offer because you stay centered. You haven't 55 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: read it yet, but if you read my book, you'll 56 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: find that I've talked about sole fragmentation. Oh yes, And 57 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: when you fragment, you leave the sense of who you 58 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: truly authentically are. Well, every time you get emotional, that's 59 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: what you're doing. You're fragment from your your unique, authentic self. 60 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: What do you mean when you get emotional, What do 61 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: you mean by that? 62 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: Well, you're leaving center, you're leaving balance, you're leaving peace 63 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: and harmony, which is who you truly are. And any 64 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 3: time you leave that, you fragment. Now, you fragment from 65 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: the time you were born. And you can fragment a 66 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: little bit and then bring it back together. But there's 67 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 3: sometimes fragmentation can take on a whole life of its own, 68 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: and it fringes upon your character, who you are, how 69 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 3: you respond to life, and so on. So that's why 70 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 3: I do sole fragmentation work to help people come back 71 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: into alignment with a part of them that has fragmented 72 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: that they don't yet know that that fragmented part is 73 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: a part of them that's missing, and then they can 74 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: incorporate it back in when they asked it. To take 75 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: it back in and then utilize it in a write 76 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: in proper fashion and protect it all right. See, every 77 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: time you go into your oversensitivities and oh, you're not 78 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 3: protecting you, you're fragmenting by getting emotional. Some people get hysterical. Yeah, 79 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 3: and so you're losing a sense of yourself. And that's 80 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: the difficulty that cancer lives with because it's your job 81 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: to become safe and secure within you. There is no threat. 82 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 3: How many times you heard me say that there are 83 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: no fears, they're just threats, which there are no threats 84 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 3: that can hurt you. So you've got to become comfortable 85 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: with that as a cancer you see, we've moved from 86 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: aries Taurus gemini and cancer. Cancer is the first place 87 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: of home right, And where's the real home. It's within you? 88 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 3: And so you know, this five degree new moon is 89 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: about maturation and immature judgment. When do we make immature judgment? 90 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: When? 91 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 3: When when we fragment? Yeah, we're not centered, and so 92 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: it's knowing when to speak and that it's calculating outcomes 93 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 3: before speaking and acting or recklessly jumping into something. So 94 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: the line that I really liked about it is instant 95 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 3: analysis and rapid decision making. That's this new moon that's 96 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: going to be going on for another seven days. So 97 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: how do we make instant decisions? 98 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: How do we make them? You just go with what 99 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: your gut initially said, I don't have no where are 100 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: you going with this? That's not that far off, tweetie, Okay. 101 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 3: It's feelings. You go with feelings. Feelings you make an 102 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: instant decisions because feelings are moment to moment. 103 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: You see, this is the debate we got into. 104 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: You get them, if you got if you get emotional, 105 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,119 Speaker 3: and then you go up into your head and start 106 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: trying to think, that's not an instant analysis and rapid decision, right, 107 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: But if you go with your feelings, your gut, you 108 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: can make an instant decision on what this feels like. 109 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: I still when I hear you talk about this, and 110 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: we got into a big debate about it the last 111 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: podcast he did, But there is that that. 112 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 3: Was a big debate. 113 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: I'm okay, we got into a conversation. Yes, it's fine, 114 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 2: we say this differently, and I think I understand what 115 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: you're saying now. But I still when I'm hearing you 116 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: say this right now, to go with your feeling, there 117 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: is a part of me that goes. But there's there's 118 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: more layers to this, and I'm trying to combine what 119 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: I know about psychology. 120 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: And pro psychology psychologists. I will not the difference. 121 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: I will, I can't. I use it all. I like 122 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: it all. I like the combination of it all. And 123 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: I think you're talking about it from completely this spiritual perspective. 124 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 2: And I've just had experiences even in this life where 125 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: I think other people, I think this is my hold up. 126 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: I think other people could say, well, I just went 127 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: with my feeling or my gut, whatever you want to 128 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: call it, and it's caused these big like flare ups, 129 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: or it's not necessarily a productive move, like the way 130 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: they're moving is not necessarily productive. It's also not always 131 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 2: accurate to the situation. 132 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: They take the feeling and turn it into an emotion, 133 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: which becomes a fear. 134 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: Right, Okay, let me give you an example and then 135 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: you can help me understand. Mom. So last night I 136 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: was at a dinner with two girlfriends and one has 137 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: been kind of dating this guy. They've gone on you know, 138 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: seven dates, let's say, and he had promised they would 139 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: see each other this week, and then he texted to say, 140 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: I can't this week, what you know, moving it to 141 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: next week or whatever. And it was the second time 142 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: he's kind of not followed through on something he said, 143 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: and so her immediate reaction was anger and very much 144 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: like wanting to just get out of this because she 145 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: doesn't trust him anymore. And we talked it through and 146 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: then I was able to help her get to a 147 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: place of communicating some things that she got way more 148 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: clarity about the situation. And now they're in a completely 149 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: different place. So do you see where I'm getting a 150 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: little held up with, Like, if we want to get 151 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: that clarified, what is anger an emotion? 152 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 3: No, it's a self protection mechanism, because now it's a 153 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 3: boundary definer. That's why you get angry because you're defining. 154 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: Boundaries, right, because your boundary had been crossed because. 155 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 3: With no, I don't give a dang what's happened. But 156 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: you we use anger to protect ourselves, okay, because we 157 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: have an emotion that wells up in us, and then 158 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: we got to use the anger to protect us. What 159 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: is she doing? She gets angry because he is yet 160 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: again let her down, and now she's feeling vulnerable. 161 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: And rejected I think, and rejected. 162 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: Then you help her to talk it through objectively, which 163 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: is a great cancer thing to do, Thank you. So 164 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 3: now she objectifies it. That says, oh, okay, Well, I 165 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 3: can be aware of this and how it made me feel, 166 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 3: but I don't have to get upset with it. I 167 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 3: can just make a decision on the feeling that it 168 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: gives me that he's this is the second time he's 169 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: not following through. 170 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: So what's the feeling that you would say? 171 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 3: Though? 172 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: Because that's where I think I get a little held 173 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: up and confused. 174 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: Is like, well, the feeling was that she was told 175 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: that she couldn't he couldn't see her. How did she 176 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 3: feel she felt rejected. 177 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: But rejected the emotion right? 178 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: Right? So does that but when you are centered and 179 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: you're and you're secure within yourself, how would you respond. 180 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: Well, what we ended up getting to is I think 181 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 2: if you're centered within yourself, you just are able to 182 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: say that's not okay with me, here's what I need, 183 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: and you communicate. 184 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 3: But I think, well, very good. Now you see the 185 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: difference between a centered, secure person and an emotional person 186 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: that has fear and that has the anxiety of what 187 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 3: maybe maybe could be that now this emotionalism is taking 188 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: who are out of the context of herself. 189 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: Sure, and she was labeling it all these things that 190 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: it did not know that they were true. It was 191 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: all her own story in her own head, based on 192 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: her own life experiences and all these insecurities. Okay, I 193 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 2: got all that. What I'm getting stuck on, though, is 194 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: you say to operate from that feeling. And I'm like, 195 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: if she had reacted from her first her feeling, which 196 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: is going into those emotions or whatever, she would have 197 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: blown that shut up and been like, go fuck yourself. 198 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: And she did blow it up. 199 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: No, she didn't. She took a beat. 200 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: Emotional because you had to talk her down. 201 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: Correct, Okay, we are just not speaking the same language 202 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: on this and I keep trying. 203 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 3: We are. 204 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: No, we're not, because you're not hearing what I'm saying. 205 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 3: Exactly what you were saying. 206 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 2: I don't understand because you say to go with your 207 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: feeling and what I said. 208 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 3: To you the last with the feeling, and what is 209 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: a feeling? What is a secure person when they feel something? 210 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: How do they respond? 211 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what I do, and that's. 212 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: All I want this because I'm trying. You're not trying 213 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 3: to understand. 214 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: No, I'm trying to feel it. 215 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: Then you say, well, I'm secure and nothing me. He 216 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: doesn't want to see me, and that's okay, And then 217 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: you can move on, or you can work it through 218 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 3: by communicating, Look, this is not acceptable to me, right, 219 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 3: or you can communicate in a number of things. But 220 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: now you don't get emotional no. 221 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: And that but okay, yes, but I think what you're 222 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 2: saying is so almost like inhumane. We are these beings 223 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: full of emotion, and emotions are important because they're communicating 224 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: things to us. I think they're communicating the things to 225 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: us that either are broken still in us, like with 226 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: my friends, she had these wounds of rejection and all 227 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: these whats. 228 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: Know, what you're saying they're communicating what is broken in us. 229 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: That tells you everything you need to know. You're broken, 230 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:03,239 Speaker 3: you're insecure, you're not in balance, you're not in harmony. 231 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 4: I know. 232 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: But what I'm hearing you say, let me just say 233 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: it this way. When when you say the thing about feeling, 234 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: and I'm confused because I feel like you're almost talking 235 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: out of two sides of your mouth on this one. 236 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: It's like, operate from operate from the feeling. But then 237 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: you say, but don't operate from a place of emotion 238 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: that the feeling is producing. And so I'm saying, but 239 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: that's confusing to me because the feeling. 240 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 3: Producing the emotion, Your brain, your ego structure, is producing 241 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: the emotion. You're thinking produces the emotion because you are 242 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 3: rejecting the experience from an external voice, that becomes an emotion. 243 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: The feeling didn't make anything happen. You put it into 244 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: your brain, your thinking mind, your ego structure, your personality, 245 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: your character turned it into the harangutan that's becalled man. 246 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: It uses anger because it needs to protect itself because 247 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: it's feeling. It's feeling vulnerable. When you get into a 248 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: place of invulnerability to the external world, you become centered, 249 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: you stay in your authentic self. Now, you can't tell 250 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 3: me you don't understand that. 251 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: I think it's the way we're saying it. Maybe we're 252 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: saying the same thing, but I get confused with what 253 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: you say about You say, go with the feeling, make 254 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: the decision based on the feeling, and my and I'm like, 255 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: but wait a second, because if everybody, just if everybody 256 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: just starts going around this world, like if my friend 257 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: yesterday had gone with her first feeling and not had 258 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 2: someone say, hey, wait a second, what is this telling you? 259 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 2: Why is that coming up? Like what do you think 260 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: is actually going on here? All it was is to 261 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: me was showing her where she needed boundaries, like you said, 262 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 2: like where some things had been crossed. That's why the 263 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: anger was coming up. And then she was able to 264 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: go into what the stories that were coming up for 265 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: her because of those feeling, like what those emotions were 266 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: actually saying. And I was like, wait a second, I 267 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: don't think that's what he's saying at all. That's something 268 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: in you. And so then she responded with the you 269 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: know this from the secure place or whatever, And that's 270 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: all I'm saying, is I think feelings and emotions are 271 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 2: important in our journey because they show us. Yeah, they 272 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: show us the things that either the universe is trying 273 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: to mirror to us, or the stories that are still 274 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 2: stuck in the in our brain, all of those kind 275 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: of things. But if everyone went around just acting on 276 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: feeling all the time, like you're saying, just go with 277 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 2: the quick feeling and do your response that way, to me, 278 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: that's a shit show because that doesn't include the moment 279 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 2: of like wait, kind of going into the secure place. 280 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 2: Do you see what I'm getting confused about with what you're. 281 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 3: Saying, Yeah, because you're not allowing the fact that of feeling. 282 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 3: I mean, you can have good emotions, you can have love, joy, 283 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: peace and tranquility, but when you get into anger, that's 284 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 3: a whole separate issue. That's a whole part of anger 285 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: that we don't need to have. Okay, So you keep 286 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 3: thinking feelings is causing our reaction. Feelings don't cause you 287 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 3: to do nothing your brain, You are thinking your ego 288 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 3: causes you to do an emotional response out of center, 289 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: out of anger, to protect yourself because you're insecure. And 290 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: of course we're learning that we need to have those 291 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 3: things because it helps us to understand where we're insecure. 292 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 3: So we certainly utilize emotions. This is a gift of 293 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: for humanity is to have emotions, because this is how 294 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 3: we learn, this is how we grow. But we have 295 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 3: to start recognizing why the emotions are occurring. This is 296 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 3: why psychoanalysis can sometimes be beneficial for people, because they 297 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: have to displore the emotions and what their brain told 298 00:19:54,880 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: them about why that is emotional is causing the insecurities 299 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 3: and the imbalance of the self. 300 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's what. That's all that I'm saying. 301 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: I said that too, but that's not but that's not 302 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: I think the thing I'm getting stuck on. I don't know. 303 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: Let's just keep going because I don't I truly like 304 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: I think. I feel like probably the listeners are like 305 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: hearing both sides of us, and they're screaming at the 306 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 2: podcast right now, going, oh if they could just say, 307 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 2: you know, like we're missing each other somehow a little bit, 308 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: and I cannot figure out how to fully communicate what 309 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: I'm trying to say in a way that like, did 310 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: you get. 311 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: The email where I sent you the difference between feelings 312 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 3: and emotions? Yes, Okay, HOCKI cannot be explained any better 313 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 3: than that. 314 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: Okay, I just think there's more to it. 315 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 3: I whatever. 316 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: All these people can say all this shit, but I 317 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 2: feel like it's missing something in the explanations a little bit. 318 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 3: So that's right, But you don't have to see you 319 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: just you just exhibited it. I feel that I'm not 320 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 3: getting it. So does that mean you're angry? 321 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am angry. Actually, I'm frustrated right now. I'm 322 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: frustrated because I don't feel heard and that's my biggest, 323 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: my biggest issue. But it's fine. 324 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm able to have disagreements and accept that 325 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 3: other people have a different thoughts and ideas. 326 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: I understand that, and we can totally agree to disagree. 327 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: That would be fine. But I feel I feel more 328 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 2: like what I just want. I'm like, wait, I don't 329 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,239 Speaker 2: this doesn't make sense to me, and I want us 330 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 2: to get to a point of clarity. Is what I've 331 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: been trying to say is like let's go, oh that 332 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 2: moment and we're not able to get there, and that's okay, 333 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 2: Like we can just yeah, we can just say like 334 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: we can't. There's something in this that we have a 335 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 2: disconnect on. 336 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 3: Well, and and this brings it right on end to 337 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 3: what this pattern of this new moon has been all about, 338 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 3: because it's Neptune squaring the new moon, which means that 339 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: it squares Jupiter, the Moon, the Sun, and mercury. So 340 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 3: this was a perfect example of what's been going on 341 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 3: for people for the last week and is going to 342 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 3: continue for another week. So there you go. It's perfect 343 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 3: because Neptune causes confusion, it causes an identity crisis, it 344 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 3: causes problems of miscommunications because you're on one wavelength, Neptune 345 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 3: distorts things. So what I would submit to you is 346 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 3: that if you look at it from this new moon side, yes, 347 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 3: we're having a discussion, and as you're trying to understand 348 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 3: something and I'm trying to explain it, and it's still 349 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 3: we're still not having involved the pieces come together. But 350 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 3: this doesn't mean you get angry, This doesn't mean you 351 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: have to get out of your ciner. This just means 352 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 3: you recognize there's a difference between my definition and your definition. Okay, 353 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 3: I can go with that, which I can say, okay, 354 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 3: well how's another way to explain it? And you can say, well, 355 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 3: how's another way to understand it? Now? We've got a 356 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 3: meeting of the mind. We've got an objectification, which is 357 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 3: what two people are objectifying each other. That does not 358 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 3: require a big emotional Oh rangutang, But I mean you 359 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 3: know so as we move on, though, the tension is 360 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 3: an internal conflict between action and feeling. Feeling is not action, 361 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 3: that's an emotion. 362 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: But you said, go with your feeling. That is right. 363 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 3: You feel moment to moment. That's how you take the 364 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 3: world in is moment to moment feelings. It doesn't have 365 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: to be internal. The moment you internalize it and send 366 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 3: it to the mind, it becomes an emotion. It can 367 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 3: be a good emotion, or it can be an anger emotion, 368 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 3: or an anxiety emotion, or a fearful emotion. It can 369 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: be any number of things. Because the mind is trying 370 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 3: to create the ego structure is trying to make sure 371 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: that you aren't wrong. So you have to understand that 372 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 3: the ego is what you're using when you get angry, 373 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 3: when you emotionalism, when you get to the to the 374 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 3: place of you're operating outside of your center. M ego, 375 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: that's his job. Yeah, the ego will make others wrong 376 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 3: and you right. Okay, All right. 377 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: To eat his own. 378 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: And this is what we're this is the discussion of 379 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 3: this new mood. Yeah, I guarantee you we're not. We're 380 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 3: not the only ones on that's having this kind of discussion. 381 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 382 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 3: I've just I've had two of these with my wife, 383 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 3: and so one of them, she was just trying to 384 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 3: tell me something and I went into my natural place 385 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 3: of trying to give advice, and she said, don't give 386 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 3: me no advice, just listen to me. And I said, okay, 387 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 3: that's fair enough. I shut the hell up, smart man, 388 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: because I'm secure enough to shut the hell up. If 389 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 3: I wasn't secure enough, then how would I respond? 390 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: You would probably have yelled back and right gotten into 391 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 2: a fight. 392 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 4: Right. 393 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 3: That's the difference, Kelly, right there. That's all you have 394 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 3: to do is just understand that. 395 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: These are not the things I don't understand. That's what 396 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: I'm getting frustrated about, is you're not understanding what I 397 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 2: the part that I'm actually asking the question about. And 398 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 2: that's what I don't know how to say differently. So 399 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, is I actually get what you're 400 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: saying about this whole that whole thing about when you're 401 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 2: acting out of like when it turns into an emotion 402 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 2: and it goes in your brain and you're assigning it 403 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: all these things. Like I do understand that, and I 404 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 2: do actually think I understand about not operating from ego 405 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: and not attaching to anything that's even happening and being 406 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 2: staying curious like that is how I live my life. 407 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was doing last night with my 408 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 2: friend was even like helping her get to that place, 409 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 2: to not respond from that emotional state that she was 410 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: in and to really like ask herself what the truth 411 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: was and what was really coming up, and to operate 412 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: from her secure place and ask herself what was was 413 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 2: and wasn't working for her and all that stuff. But 414 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: like I get held up in this specific conversation because 415 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: when you say to me to go with the feeling 416 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 2: and to take your action from that feeling, that's where 417 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: I get held up because if someone like my friend, 418 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 2: for instance, if she had gone with her feeling, the 419 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: first feeling where she felt rejected and all, you know, 420 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: like then she started assigning all those emotions to it, 421 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: that wouldn't have given her the result that she got 422 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 2: from taking a beat getting clear on what was going 423 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: on not letting emotions drive the bus and then responding 424 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: from a secure place versus an emotional place. And so 425 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: I think what I don't understand is why do we 426 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 2: keep saying, like, where is it that you go? Okay, 427 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: make the decision from your feeling, not your emotion, because 428 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 2: I'm going but wait, isn't the feeling usually turned into 429 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: the emotion or like, isn't that. 430 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 3: It becomes a threat? 431 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: Okay? 432 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: But if we all are your context, why that is 433 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 3: perfect as well? From your context is because that feeling 434 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 3: showed her how she was insecure about the relationship, and 435 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 3: it becomes an emotional threat. Right, So the feeling turned 436 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 3: into however it got turned into, it became an emotional threat, 437 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 3: and so by talking it out objectively with you, she 438 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 3: could come back to center and realized that she didn't 439 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 3: need to respond emotionally with anger and so forth right, Okay, Okay. 440 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 2: So are you saying if you can operate from just 441 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: a feeling place without attaching emotions to it, that bring 442 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 2: you into your head or your ego or any of that. 443 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: But you also say feelings change from minute to minute, 444 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying. If people are operating from 445 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: the feelings that are changing from minute to minute. What 446 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: kind of fucking chaos are we going to be living in? 447 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: Because do you see what I'm saying? 448 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 3: Would you call that a chaos? Every moment is a feeling, 449 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 3: that's how you take it in. 450 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: This is the part where I don't feel like I 451 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: can completely communicate in a way that like we're on 452 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: the same playing field of what I'm trying to say. 453 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 3: We're communicating. You're just you're you're wanting to turn a 454 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 3: feelings into something more than what they are. Okay, feelings 455 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 3: or feelings. 456 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 2: I don't know that I want to turn them into that. 457 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: I think I'm confused on why you would say to 458 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: make your decisions from your feelings. 459 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 3: Because change moment. Because because you read feelings and if 460 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 3: you're feeling comfortable, secure, you can accept what is. When 461 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 3: you don't accept what is, the ego then takes control. Well, 462 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 3: that comes from every enlightened being there's ever been. Yeah, 463 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 3: let reality be reality? How do you let reality be reality? 464 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 3: When you get emotional about it, You're not letting reality 465 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: be reality. But when you can look at it and 466 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 3: see it and then understand how it moves you. Because 467 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 3: emotions move you. You can say, well, you know, I 468 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 3: don't necessarily need to respond like that, and then you 469 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 3: work it through. Okay, but you've got to battle. This 470 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: is the whole two concept. You have to battle the 471 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 3: ego when it wants to battle or fight, you have 472 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 3: to battle it. You have to choose to respond to that. No, 473 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 3: I'm saying that as the formula to understand how to 474 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 3: accept life on life's terms. Yeah, you're right when you 475 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 3: say we need emotions. I don't think that you're in 476 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 3: complete understanding when you think that feelings would cause a orangutang. 477 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 3: Within the human concept, feelings don't cause anything. Feelings are 478 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: just feelings. And you get feelings from all of your programming, 479 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 3: all of your conditioning, all of your past lives, all 480 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 3: of your experiences, and the ego says, I don't want 481 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 3: to feel that again. And when it comes up again 482 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 3: five years, ten years, two months, three minutes, ten minutes, 483 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 3: it's going to respond in a self protected mode because 484 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 3: you have not worked it through. But when you worked 485 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 3: it through, like you did with your friend, you come 486 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 3: back down to center and say, all right, I feel better. 487 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 3: I talked it out. That's how you neutralize emotions that 488 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 3: are negatives is talking it out. And you can talk 489 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 3: it out within yourself or you can talk it out 490 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 3: with somebody else, but it needs to be talked out. 491 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 3: And I think that that's where if we can come 492 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 3: through an acceptance to that together, because that's what you're saying, 493 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 3: and that's what you did. 494 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: Everything you're saying is actually what I agree with. I 495 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 2: think it's like I'm trying to not confuse the listeners, 496 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 2: and I know as I'm confused, that's just the truth. 497 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: Like I know my listeners and I know that there 498 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 2: are certain things. If I'm confused, they are too, So 499 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 2: I'm trying to like talk through so we can all 500 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: understand it. And I think you and I are just 501 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: saying these things in different ways, and well, say. 502 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 3: How good that can be for your listeners? 503 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 2: Sure of course I totally agree. 504 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 3: So perfect, Yeah, cool, you're not angry. I'm not angry. 505 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I never was like angry at you. 506 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,719 Speaker 2: I'm just I was more frustrated because I'm like, how 507 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: can I say this? There's a big of course, and 508 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: that's a big thing in me is always needing to 509 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: feel like I want to feel understood, like the thing 510 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 2: I said, you go, oh yeah, okay, I see what 511 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 2: you're saying. That is important to me, and at for 512 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: sure I attach emotions to it. I can one hundred 513 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 2: percent see that in myself. It's part of my chiron. 514 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 2: If we're going to keep it on astrology, all of 515 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: that really like is a driving force for me that 516 00:33:59,600 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: I have to. 517 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 3: And I think that this is a perfect conversation for 518 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 3: what's going on for a whole lot of people. 519 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 2: Right with the neptune. 520 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 3: This is a big, big deal that neptune is squaring 521 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 3: in a cancer stellium. So we have had a cancer discussion. 522 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm a cancer. I'm not a cancer. Oh 523 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 2: you're saying this is. 524 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 3: How cancer. Yeah, And with a neptune factor there, it's 525 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 3: going to bring in confusion and to be able to 526 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 3: talk through the confusion like we've just done. Yeah, this 527 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 3: is absolutely perfect. 528 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 2: Just gave the example of it, right. 529 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 3: I mean, so this has been the new moon. This 530 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 3: is what people have been going through for the last week, 531 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 3: and it's what they're going to go through for another 532 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 3: week until we get to the full moon. 533 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 2: Is in Capricorn, which is totally different energy. It's like 534 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: exactly the opposite, right. 535 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because Capricorn is much more it's earth. 536 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 2: It's not water, right. 537 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 3: Water is emotion and Capricorn is earthy. And so what 538 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 3: is that polarity is saying you've got to have balance. 539 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 3: You can't see Capricorn is all in her head. You know, 540 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 3: they have a hard time feeling. Right. When I get 541 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 3: clients in, it's all Capricorn. I got to beat them 542 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 3: up because they won't get into their heart. They won't 543 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 3: get into their feelings. How does it feel? I don't 544 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 3: know where do you feel it in my head? You 545 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 3: don't feel nothing in your head your numb skull. So 546 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 3: that's the difference between Capricorn and this full moon. I mean, 547 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 3: look at what I what the way I was, what 548 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 3: I've got or self sufficiency, and this new moon is 549 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 3: going to is uh, this full moon is really going 550 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 3: to be excellent. We've got a lot of good positive 551 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 3: stuff coming out of this full moon. So in about 552 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 3: another week there's going to be a lot of ability 553 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 3: to use any kind of emotions or anything like that 554 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 3: to construct positive reality and construct positive dreams and manifest creativity. 555 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 3: Because it's you know, I won't say I mean it's 556 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 3: a quintile. So but any rate, these are gifts. So 557 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 3: we've got gifts coming to the full moon, and so 558 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 3: I think that that's a that's a big deal. The 559 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:02,760 Speaker 3: only thing it's still has a uronicis can judge Venus, 560 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 3: which means there could be some relationship changes and you're 561 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 3: going to have a sense of having freedom, intellectual freedom, 562 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 3: So there could be disruptions and finances, could be new 563 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 3: ways of connecting new people through all the social medias 564 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 3: and stuff. But there's going to be a strong need 565 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 3: for an authentic, truthful expression in relationships. So the full 566 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 3: moon is going to be a good two weeks to 567 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 3: make that adjustment after we've seen what this new moon 568 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 3: has caused a lot of chaos and confusion around our 569 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 3: feelings and around the whole security and self image, which 570 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 3: is all cancer. And so when we get into the 571 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 3: also the other thing is this neptune is going to 572 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 3: square Jupiter. There could be some tension between idealism and 573 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 3: intuition and emotional beliefs. So it's going to give us 574 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 3: a spiritual opportunity to kind of understand things and get 575 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 3: out of confusion and sort through sole truth from inherited 576 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 3: emotional narratives. That is huge. Think about what I just said, 577 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 3: the need to sort through sole truth from inherited emotional narratives. 578 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 3: So letting, programming, programming, and the epigenetics of our family 579 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 3: are heritage. So that's going to be a positive and 580 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 3: it'll be good to go through that process to kind 581 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 3: of organize these feelings and emotions so that we can 582 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 3: use them constructively on what we do want and what 583 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 3: we do instead of battling. And that's what the full 584 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 3: moon does. 585 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 2: Hey, well maybe by next month you and I will 586 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 2: see out of eye on this. 587 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and next month you'll probably understand what I'm. 588 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 2: Saying, or you'll understand what I'm saying. 589 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 3: I understand you, Kelly, trust me. 590 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 2: I don't know. 591 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 3: I know. But then we got the new moon and 592 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 3: Leo on the twenty fourth of this month. Okay, is 593 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 3: going to be a big deal because Pluto will now 594 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 3: oppose the new Moon, and that's going to bring up 595 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 3: some serious challenges. Wow, bring up power struggles, blocked emotions, 596 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 3: ego and death, rebirth transformations, hidden forces being exposed, fear 597 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 3: of rejection, fear of being seen or suppressed, desires for approval. 598 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 3: So we've got to move into what calls sovereign power. 599 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 3: Sovereign power is when you believe when your spiritual is 600 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 3: your spiritual self is stronger than your ego self. Yeah. 601 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 3: And so next Nick that the new moon in Leo 602 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 3: is going to be rough. 603 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 4: Oof? 604 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 2: What do you mean rough? Just the all the Pluto and. 605 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 3: Pluto in other words, we've got to face some challenges 606 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 3: that has been hidden or stuffed down, or suppressed or repressed. 607 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 3: This is how Pluto transforms us because they don't work 608 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 3: for us. It clears out our baggage. Have you ever 609 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 3: had some baggage cleared out in your life, Kelly. 610 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm very familiar with Pluto. Pluto and I go there. 611 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,399 Speaker 3: So that's what I mean is going to be rough, 612 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 3: But it doesn't have to be rough. It is just 613 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 3: you have to accept the fat to Pluto is transformation 614 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,720 Speaker 3: into regeneration and renewal. 615 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 2: Death and rebirth is the perfect way to say death 616 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,720 Speaker 2: and rebirth. 617 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, you know the death of Pluto 618 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 3: is very painful because we learn through pain, and when 619 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 3: we learn through pain, we don't forget it, right. And 620 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 3: then the opposite side of Pluto is heaven and rebuilds 621 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 3: us greater than we ever was before. So yes, it's 622 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 3: going to be some power struggles that I say is 623 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 3: going to be rough, but it's also going to be enlightening, 624 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 3: so it'll be good. 625 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 2: All right. Well, I mean I think it like if 626 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 2: we're talking about on a collective level, it's been an 627 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 2: interesting couple months, and I feel very oddly removed from it, 628 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 2: which is so not like me. But I think we're 629 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 2: all watching just these battles. 630 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 3: I think you've been that's really business and when you 631 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 3: stay busy, you don't have time for anything else. 632 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 2: Well it's that. But you know what else I think 633 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 2: it is is I think that like if we're talking 634 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 2: about politics and media and all that, like, I think 635 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 2: I've just gotten to the point of seeing it so 636 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 2: clearly of how much everything is meant to strike emotion 637 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 2: within us. It's supposed it's like calling to just jack 638 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,439 Speaker 2: us up in that way, like let me incite fear, 639 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,399 Speaker 2: let me hit their anger, let me get them work. 640 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 2: And it's like I don't want to play that game 641 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 2: with y'all. Whoever y'all is, you know what I mean, 642 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 2: Like I don't want to do that anymore, and I 643 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 2: don't want to turn over my emotional authority to something 644 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 2: that doesn't give a shit about me personally. Yeah, And 645 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 2: I think so it's like, we'll see what happens. It's 646 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 2: all going to play out as it's going to play out, 647 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 2: like you always. 648 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 3: Say, like you do about it. So the more you 649 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,399 Speaker 3: stay away from in other words, there's there's a new 650 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 3: thing coming out. There's a book coming out, and I 651 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 3: have a client that's working on that, and it's called 652 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,959 Speaker 3: de emphasizing the dopa mine. 653 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the dopamine. 654 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. And so what you're doing is you're clearing out 655 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 3: that that dopa mine of reading the news, staying involved, 656 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 3: being addicted to the news, being addicted to what these 657 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 3: stupid politicians do, all of that out right, Well, then 658 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 3: you just operate in a place of joy. I mean, 659 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 3: your natural being is love, joy, happiness, and tranquility. That's 660 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,800 Speaker 3: who you are naturally love. Yeah, And wouldn't that be 661 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,919 Speaker 3: a beautiful place to be all the time? 662 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 2: It sure would. It's how I started this podcast. 663 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 3: You said that I saw Mary Poppin's head. 664 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 4: On your Sunday goadye meeting at sure would yep? 665 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:19,280 Speaker 2: She would? Well, we we I think gave the people 666 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 2: the exact example of the energy that's going on. So 667 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 2: if you guys are feeling. 668 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 3: This different, it's so perfect. Imagine if you. 669 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 2: Guys are feeling this on a level in your own life. 670 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 2: For singing on the collective, you can always email me 671 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 2: at Kelly at velvetz edge dot com, but you can 672 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 2: also hit Marv up at is it Marvin. 673 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 3: Com. 674 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know what you think about this little 675 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 2: debate Marvin I just had or this misunderstanding, whatever you 676 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,399 Speaker 2: want to call it. Like, I am curious what if 677 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,839 Speaker 2: I'm making sense to people, if Marv is making sense 678 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,439 Speaker 2: to people, what are we missing each other on help 679 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 2: us get through this neptune energy. And then if people 680 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 2: want to do a personal session with you, Marv, where 681 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 2: can they find you for that? Yeah, just email you 682 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 2: or you can go check out his website. It's astramarv 683 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 2: dot com. As always, I'll put that in the description 684 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,879 Speaker 2: of this podcast for you guys, and we'll be back 685 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 2: next month. We'll see if we have more clarity with 686 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,320 Speaker 2: each other to bring to the people. But I do 687 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 2: feel like it was kind of actually perfect now that 688 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 2: I understand all the neptune energy happening as well. 689 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 3: Ah huh uh huh. 690 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 2: All right, Thank you guys so much for listening, and 691 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 2: thanks Marv for being here. Thanks for listening to. 692 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: The Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, where we believe 693 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: everyone has a little velvet in a little edge. Subscribe 694 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: for more conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. Search 695 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: Velvet's Edge wherever you get your podcasts.