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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined with our guest super

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Speaker 3: producer Max the Free Train Williams. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 4: You are here.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Back when we started doing a strange news program on

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know, fellow conspiracy realists,

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Speaker 3: we kind of assumed a lot of things would happen.

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Speaker 3: But like many of us playing along at home, it's

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Speaker 3: safe to say we didn't predict every plot twist that

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Speaker 3: has occurred as of late, most notably when just let

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Speaker 3: everybody know this is common knowledge by now by the

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Speaker 3: time you hear this, the current US President Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: has announced that he will not be seeking reelection, And

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Speaker 3: I think this seemed to come as a surprise to

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Speaker 3: a lot of people, but we kind of heard it

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Speaker 3: might be in the wind well before the trigger was pulled.

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Speaker 4: First time in seventy years, something like that over fifty

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Speaker 4: at least. I forget the last president who did it,

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Speaker 4: but it was.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't Joe Biden. This is his first time doing

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Speaker 3: it exactly.

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Speaker 4: It's a very rare thing to be done. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know, we think of politics in so many ways

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Speaker 4: as like it has the potential to be very self serving.

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Speaker 4: So it's pretty rare for someone to step aside for

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Speaker 4: the quote unquote greater good. You know, usually people stick

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Speaker 4: around for what they consider the greater good instead of

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Speaker 4: like bowing out gracefully, which whatever your politics is, you

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Speaker 4: kind of got to give it to him for that,

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Speaker 4: I think, unless you want to spin it as like

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Speaker 4: a he's a quitter, which seems you know, reductive.

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Speaker 3: Or the coup conspiracy which is currently going on.

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Speaker 2: Or he's just the hold and finally realized, Ah, dang it,

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Speaker 2: I gotta throw in the towel.

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Speaker 3: You kind of have to. You can't say I don't

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Speaker 3: have meetings after eight pm if you're the president, that's true.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what if I just got improved my golf swigs?

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Speaker 4: I could you know, PvP Donald Trump on the golf course.

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Speaker 3: If what if we just made sure our global cybersecurity

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Speaker 3: software wasn't a roll of the dice. What if we

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Speaker 3: made sure our fine art was indeed the real McCoy.

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Speaker 3: We're going to cover all those stories and more after

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Speaker 2: Oh jeez, and we've returned. All right. Guys, You remember

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Speaker 2: the old blue screen of death.

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Speaker 4: It seems so quaint by today's standards, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: But it was a serious problem, and it happened at

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Speaker 3: the upper echelons of industries pretty often, you know, like

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Speaker 3: ite's annoying on your home computer. But we also have

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Speaker 3: to realize in evenings past the blue screen of death

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Speaker 3: make an appearance at NASA. Yeah, your favorite Wall Street firm.

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Speaker 3: So this was very much a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, blue screens of death have always been a

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Speaker 2: Didn't have to do that this restaurant. It was a

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Speaker 4: I mean, at least you weren't so addicted to technology

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Speaker 2: Eyes hon Okay, So, well, if we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 2: morning of Friday, July nineteenth, a massive wave of computer

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Speaker 2: not good. Well, what was happening? Why were the computers

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Speaker 2: No, no, no no no no no. Many, many, many

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Speaker 2: users of many many Microsoft Windows machines got that old,

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Speaker 2: And it's for a ridiculous reason. There is a company

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Speaker 2: There's a company called crowd Strike. That's CROWDSTRIKEE. That's one word,

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Speaker 2: one phrase. This is a cyber security firm. It provides

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Speaker 2: And what they did is they ran a simple update.

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Speaker 2: Have you guys ever have Spersky or Norton or any

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Speaker 2: As of everything I've read machines that are running on

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Speaker 4: Startup items sometimes what they're referred to.

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Speaker 2: I guess, yes, and if it doesn't boot up correctly

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Speaker 2: And that's what happened. That's all that happened.

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Speaker 3: But this was eggs in all the same proverbial basket

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Speaker 2: Yes, the reason why it was such a big deal

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Speaker 4: How long has this company been around? Like I mean,

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Speaker 4: I guess it's just sort of like it's not that sexy.

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Speaker 4: So maybe if you're not in it, it's not something

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Speaker 4: I mean, it seems for it to be this you know,

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Speaker 3: Have to be I believe twenty eleven. Okay, Well, also,

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Speaker 3: I think we were talking about this briefly off air.

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Speaker 3: The name is CrowdStrike, but that seems like a weird

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Speaker 3: But in twenty eleven is pretty old in the tech game, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been looking at cybersecurity threats for a long time.

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Speaker 2: They probably have individuals who have that specific learning, right,

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Speaker 2: News has a story titled crowd strike update that caused

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Speaker 2: global outage lightly skipped checks experts say, which is just

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Speaker 2: now it's not like I guess, let's think about it

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Speaker 2: this way, guys. In our company, we used to have

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Speaker 3: Think about also, our crew was great conversation as well.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, great conversation, but they were they had expertise

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Speaker 2: Sure, you probably don't know the IT systems for all

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Speaker 2: those kiosks sitting around, and if every single one of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do a quick reboot. I'm sure. Can you imagine

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Speaker 3: the countless numbers of restarts that occurred on Friday?

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Speaker 4: If anyone's ever seen The It Crowd, which is a

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Speaker 4: So this thing is like Norton and other stuff all

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Speaker 2: Yes, and let me get it right. They are at

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if you've seen any of the

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Speaker 2: Hey, there you go, and you can do that at.

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Speaker 4: That movie the terminal, you know where you just like

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Speaker 3: It's not Look, it's we can go the next time

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Speaker 4: Amazing. But my buddy was absolutely, you know, the quintessential

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Speaker 3: One and there were real ones. You probably saw the

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Speaker 4: In the world of lounge.

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Speaker 2: You have to talk about this. Crowd Strike is number

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Speaker 3: Worse because monopolization is bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that nice? But then they had funny that's

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Speaker 2: The unrelated, unrelate related that happened on July twenty first.

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Speaker 3: And we have returned. There is great news I'm so

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Speaker 3: The causation of fiction in fact, have become reversed, just

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Speaker 3: And we know that the primary reason this is happening.

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Speaker 3: or got shenanigan in some other way. And what I

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00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: think is fascinating about this is this kind of research

439
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 3: allows us to conduct forensics and get a look at

440
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: how much of this stuff is actually making it to

441
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: the US or another destination point versus how much is

442
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: being just lopped out into the ocean. Because you know,

443
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: let's practice empathy and understand they're very intelligent maritime creatures

444
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: now who are saying the neighborhood is going to hell

445
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: because of all the petroleum products, the microplastics, the and

446
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: now the cocaine. You know what I mean. I wish

447
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 3: they could move, but they can't.

448
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 4: Isn't that a thing though? Where like municipal like study

449
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 4: or I think there was a scientific study into various

450
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 4: municipal water supplies and how much or sewage I think

451
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: that's what it was. It was like how common it

452
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 4: was for there to be high levels of addictive drugs

453
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 4: found in like common sewage. I think it was pertaining

454
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 4: to like converting that gray water into usable water and

455
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 4: doing so. There was like a study of like how

456
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 4: much things like cocaine were found in that it's just

457
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 4: interesting how much of that stuff just makes it into

458
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 4: the water supply.

459
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 3: Like yeah, like the study we mentioned in Italy too.

460
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Speaker 3: And I don't want to sound like we're disparing gene

461
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 3: the good folks of Venice or Genoa or what have you.

462
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: Guys, have we considered the idea that maybe the sharks

463
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: saw that the cops are coming and they just did

464
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: all the cocaine.

465
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 3: I think that's exactly what happened. I believe that now.

466
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 4: Okay, why they always got to keep moving, that's whether

467
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 4: circling around.

468
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: Have you met sharks, they're already intense. I feel like

469
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: they could be involved in those situations. But I also

470
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 3: saw an orca recently, a grandmother orca. Absolutely mop a

471
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 3: great white shark. Move it on. We want to hear

472
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: We'll ask you about this in a in a future program.

473
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 3: But what do you We want to hear what you

474
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: think the most dangerous large non human animals are on

475
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: the planet, Like who is the apex apex predator?

476
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Speaker 4: Ben? Could you PvP a great white shark on cocaine?

477
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 5: Which, because you're still okay, okay, if I'm still called sober,

478
00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 5: then I guess it depends on the depth of the

479
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 5: water fair enough, you know what I mean, it's like

480
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 5: three feet.

481
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 3: Then I think there's a fighting chance.

482
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 4: That would be what would be considered a handicap in

483
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 4: your favor, right, Yeah, yeah.

484
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 3: Which I would need. But there's already a handicap because

485
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: you know, we have the thumbs and we're smarter. But

486
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 3: the main thing is we would have to if we

487
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 3: were in that situation, we would have to have that

488
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 3: have that bout decided pretty soon. Because shout out to

489
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: our previous episode on Great Disasters Waiting to happen, Yellowstone

490
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: just laid a nasty, nasty one. I'm sorry yesterday.

491
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some reason that's visual because I'm thinking of

492
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 4: like the sulfuric smell of like grow old faithful, and

493
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: I'm just picturing that like Yellowstone as an entity, like

494
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 4: took a dump kind of.

495
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it took a squirty part what we know. This

496
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: was reported by Associated Press out there in Cheyenne, Wyoming,

497
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: the Yellowstone National Park guys Are system had an enormous

498
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: surprise eruption just yesterday as we record and people in

499
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 3: the area. It was big enough that people in the

500
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: area had to run for safety. This thing was sprayed

501
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: and it grew in front of them. It was beginning

502
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: to rain very hot water and debris. People were also

503
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how safe a distance they could

504
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: get before they turned around, almost like the old biblical

505
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: story of pillars of salt, and so they found themselves

506
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 3: gathered under these huge clouds of steam. Now, why are

507
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: we reporting this? No injuries that we know of so far. However,

508
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: this hearkens back to the Yellowstone super eruption, super hydrothermic

509
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: eruption that people have been predicting since far before the

510
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: existence of this show. And I've got to ask you, guys,

511
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: do you remember that episode?

512
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 4: Yeah?

513
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I remember early on talking about the caldera,

514
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: learning what that word was, learning how afraid I am

515
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: of that thing that word represents. Yeah.

516
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: The thing is, if there was a Yellowstone super volcanic

517
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: or hydrothermic eruption, I think super volcanics best way to

518
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: say it. If it were to occur, this would be

519
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: an absolutely catastrophic event for a large swath of the

520
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: US and Canada. The last one happened seventy thousand years ago,

521
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: a number that I think we reference in our episode

522
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: all those years back However, the boffins who study this

523
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: are pretty certain that Yellowstone is due to erupt again,

524
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: kind of like how you know if a faucet is

525
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: continually running in a glass into a glass of water,

526
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: you have to empty the glass at some point or

527
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: to overflow. I don't know. I'm thinking if there's a

528
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: time I'm in history where someone would say, also super

529
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: volcanic eruption in addition to all the other stuff, I

530
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: think it's this time.

531
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Speaker 4: Yep, pile it on, guys, just now. I gotta worry

532
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 4: about volcanic eruptions.

533
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: I'm just you know, maybe the guys that will send

534
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: us a note and say, you dudes were cool to

535
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: me in that last episode. Don't go to Yellowstone, don't

536
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 3: come to school tomorrow. Oh god, yeah, that got dark.

537
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well let's keep Let's keep getting darker than

538
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: because they said, I want to found so much stuff.

539
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: I wanted to cavalcade of these of these stories. Uh.

540
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: Even if we don't travel out to Yellowstone and we

541
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: stay at home, we could be in trouble because of

542
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: a new nifty uh robodog that has been designed by

543
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: the Department of Homeland Security. The neo robot is capable

544
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: of delivering mo bile DDoS attacks and jamming home networks

545
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: and disabling devices, and is specifically built to do this

546
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: during police raids. What could go wrong?

547
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: And that's intense that they've got a robot that can

548
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: do that now, because we talked not long ago in

549
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: one of one of these episodes about home invaders who

550
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: could shut down like Wi Fi networks, right, and they

551
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: make handheld things, but you have to be a human

552
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: being trying to get into a place holding one of

553
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: these things generally. Now that it's on, is it a

554
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: remote controlled dog or is it like an autonomous dog

555
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: robot thing?

556
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: It doesn't have wires, Okay, it does look like it

557
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: could be remote controlled. I imagine there is. It might be

558
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: like a bomb drone, you know what I mean, or

559
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: the robots that get sent in to dismantle or diffuse bombs.

560
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: In that there would be somebody perhaps controlling it to

561
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: a degree. We don't know how much autonomy it would have,

562
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 3: but we do know. The primary calculus for this is

563
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: it comes from a case when a person suspected of

564
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: child sexual abuse used his doorbell camera to see FBI

565
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: agents at his front door serving a search warrant, and

566
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: so with that information from his you know, from his

567
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: cloud connected doorbell camera, essentially he opened fire on the

568
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: agents and he killed two of them and injured three

569
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: more So, the idea here, the proposition which I would

570
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: argue is valid, is that this will help save people's lives.

571
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: But then there's the other side of it, because this

572
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: is the United States, which means that if you were

573
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: getting up to something untoward, you could use this to

574
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: make sure that your actions had far less of a

575
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: chance of ever surfacing in court or an investigation. You know,

576
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: you an'll have to turn off a body camera, you

577
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: can turn off a house yay.

578
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, really good for a serial killer too.

579
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, the question is then how long

580
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: will it the technology? How long will it take for

581
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: someone to build this on their own?

582
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: Right, It's just a more elaborate version of the old

583
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 4: cutting the power, cutting the phone line thing. It's just

584
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 4: like a much more all encompassing version of that trope.

585
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, I see. I think it's an escalation because

586
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: even if you cut the power in the you know,

587
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: the proverbial phone lines or the internet cable, ninety plus

588
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: percent of people are still going to have some sort

589
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: of wireless device that will allow them to contact the

590
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: outside world and foil whatever you're trying to accomplish. Whether

591
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: that is very very good or very very bad, I

592
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 3: don't know. I hate to be one of those both

593
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: sides entities. I feel like this, this thing which is

594
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 3: built using the quadruped unmanned ground vehicle or fugouve uh,

595
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: I feel like it's inevitable, but I feel like things

596
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 3: are going to go wrong with it? Is that alarmist?

597
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: What do you think?

598
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 4: No? I mean, we know that when certain technologies or

599
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 4: capabilities exists in the I guess you could call it

600
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 4: law enforcement sector, they usually find their way into the

601
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: hands of the public sector, you know, whether it be

602
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 4: something like radar detectors or you know, certain types of

603
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 4: surveillance gear. You know, usually there becomes like some sort

604
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 4: of version of it that trickles its way into being

605
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 4: able to be purchased and utilized by anyone.

606
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 3: And I still can't buy an M wrap, you know

607
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 3: what I mean?

608
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 2: I wish you could, dude, I.

609
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 3: Think we would look sick in an M wrap.

610
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: The You know, the one thing about this is that

611
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: it cannot affect wired devices, So even if you cut

612
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: the power. If you had a battery backup system and

613
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: wired cameras or something, it couldn't affect that, which is

614
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: a good and terrible thing, because I feel like people

615
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: who are getting up to terrible stuff may already be

616
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: thinking about that, because there's less chance for those systems

617
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: to get leaked or be snooped on by a neighbor

618
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: or something.

619
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 4: Whenever I hear about stuff like this, I always think

620
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 4: back to the pretty terrible John Carpenter movie Escape from La.

621
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 4: Spoiler alert for a very bad and decades old movie,

622
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: see Escape from New York. Escape from La sucks. It's

623
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 4: worth watching if only to see how bad it is.

624
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: But snake has an eye patch.

625
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 4: Man, he has an eye patch. Yeah, that's this thing.

626
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: But Escape from La just isn't very good. It's got

627
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 4: some of the it's got this scene where he's like

628
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 4: surfing and it's the worst CG kind of green screen

629
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 4: looking thing you'll ever see in your life. But there

630
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 4: is a pretty cool plot device that stuck with me

631
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 4: when I was a kid or into my adulthood after

632
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 4: seeing it in the theaters when it was originally out.

633
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 4: Is this idea that, through some sort of crazy network

634
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: of satellites. And again, this technology is absurd. They could

635
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 4: like make batteries stop working. They could wirelessly basically set

636
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 4: humanity back into the dark ages. I always think about

637
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: that whenever I hear about, you know, the new technology

638
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 4: that can you know, wirelessly turn things off, or can

639
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 4: wirelessly you know, invade your home.

640
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: Run Yeah it also you know, it turns out in

641
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: general that a lot of films based in LA about

642
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: La end up not being that great. I'm just gonna

643
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: leave that point there. I don't want to make anybody

644
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: too angry the manufacturer of the neo dog or or

645
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: a good yeah well yeah, LA Confidential is good, but

646
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 3: the majority of them, I think, well, anyway, I don't

647
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: want to mess I don't want to anger the producers

648
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 3: in the big wigs of the world, because I don't

649
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: want to end up like that top Russian economist who

650
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: died after falling out of a window. Another demonstration, Yeah,

651
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: eighty two years old. You can check out the full story,

652
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: which is there's a short reference to it now that

653
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: you can find in Western outlets like Newsweek, Valentino Bondarenko.

654
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 3: And the most interesting thing is, I would say to

655
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: look at the growing list of Russians who have fallen

656
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Speaker 3: out of windows since Vladimir Putin launched the invasion of Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: I would say scientists need to take heed and just

658
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Speaker 4: stay away from windows. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. If someone offers to walk you to a window,

660
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Speaker 3: say no. Treat it like a secondary location. Yeah, get

661
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Speaker 3: a closer look and shout out to the XCIA agent who,

662
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Speaker 3: in a total rookie move, just appears to have turned

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Speaker 3: on turned for South Korea intelligence. For the price of

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Speaker 3: designer handbags. You can find that story. It's all the

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Speaker 3: key words you need. The power is yours. We're going

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Speaker 3: to pause for a word from our sponsors and we'll

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Speaker 3: be back with one more piece of strange news.

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Speaker 4: And we returned with one final piece of strange news.

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Speaker 4: Ben I really enjoyed that grab bag. By the way,

670
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Speaker 4: some lighter stuff in there definitely cut a little dark.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna turn it back to the lighter side, I think,

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Speaker 4: I hope. With a story out of Wellington, New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about art. There is a museum called the

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Speaker 4: Mona which is in Tasmania. It is the museum of

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Speaker 4: Old and New Art. It recently revealed that the paintings

676
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Speaker 4: featured in a very controversial exhibition that were purported to

677
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Speaker 4: be by Picasso were in fact by the curator of

678
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Speaker 4: this exhibition, a woman by the name of Kersha Kashey.

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Speaker 4: This was after some inquiries from the Picasso administration, which

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Speaker 4: is in France. They go about the business of making

681
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Speaker 4: sure that art that is on display that is purported

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Speaker 4: to be by Picasso is in fact by Picasso, among

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Speaker 4: other things.

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Speaker 3: And being like treated appropriately, treated appropriately.

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Speaker 4: Or the appropriate amount of you know, respect that is

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Speaker 4: due the genius Pablo Picasso. And I am a pretty

687
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Speaker 4: big Picasso fan. I remember a time where it was

688
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Speaker 4: like I could do that, yeah, but but did you?

689
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Speaker 4: And also Picasso was in fact a classically trained painter.

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Speaker 4: He just created an aesthetic and a style that has

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Speaker 4: been emulated.

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Speaker 3: You know. Now he's a person, horrible, not a good dude,

693
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Speaker 3: but very talented artist. I had the same experience over

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Speaker 3: when I've seen picasso early earlier work, Like he he

695
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: got to god mode level before he got to the

696
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Speaker 3: stuff that people might object to artistically, the price, let's

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Speaker 3: call it.

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Speaker 4: But he was also fabulous at political at just creating

699
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Speaker 4: these politically charged like Guernica and just you know, just

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Speaker 4: absolutely these striking images that can evoke all kinds of

701
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 4: emotion just through shape and form and flow and anyway,

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Speaker 4: big fan. But this exhibition was inherently almost like a

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Speaker 4: work of performance art, and it took a couple of

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Speaker 4: years for the Pacasto administration to even get wind of it.

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Speaker 4: But let's talk a little bit about what the exhibition

706
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Speaker 4: was in the first place. These supposed Picasso paintings have

707
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Speaker 4: been on display for more than three years in the

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Speaker 4: ladies restroom, the Lady's lounge, as they referred to it,

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Speaker 4: of the Mona.

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Speaker 3: As Pablo would have wanted, As Pablo would.

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Speaker 2: Have want, wasn't that lounge created specifically?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 4: Well no, no, no, hear me out. Okay, there's more

714
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Speaker 4: to the story. So I believe what they're referred to

715
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Speaker 4: is the lady's lounge is actually the restroom. This was

716
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Speaker 4: after an exhibit was curated by by this woman that

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about, who works at the museum, and I

718
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: believe her husband actually owns the museum or is like

719
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Speaker 4: the you know, the top official at this Mona museum.

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Speaker 4: It was part of an exhibit that was in the

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Speaker 4: museum proper originally that was intended to be for women's

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Speaker 4: eyes only, so men were not allowed. They were denied

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Speaker 4: admittance to this exhibit, which included these again supposed Picasso

724
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Speaker 4: paintings in addition to some other works. They weren't named,

725
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Speaker 4: but they were supposedly supposed. They were supposed to be

726
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Speaker 4: from other highly regarded artists, and in the pieces that

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Speaker 4: I've found, I haven't seen direct reference to who those

728
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 4: artists were meant to have been. But essentially what happened

729
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 4: was this created a more or less gender war type

730
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Speaker 4: situation where men were objecting to the fact that they

731
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Speaker 4: could not get in to see these supposed, very rare

732
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Speaker 4: and valuable works of art, and this led to a lawsuit,

733
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Speaker 4: and that is what led to the paintings and the

734
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Speaker 4: exhibition being moved into the women's restroom. And apparently at

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Speaker 4: the hearing that took place as a result of this kerfuffle, Kashelle,

736
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing that it's k A E.

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Speaker 4: C H E L E. And a kind of coterie

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Speaker 4: of other women who were involved in this basically attended

739
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 4: in protests simultaneously or synchronously crossing and uncrossing their legs

740
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Speaker 4: at various points of the hearing and then they kind

741
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Speaker 4: of marched out in solidarity. Let's hear a little bit

742
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Speaker 4: more about this hearing. So the Tasmanian Civil and Administrative

743
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 4: Tribunal held essentially a hearing. I'm not quite sure about

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Speaker 4: the exact details of what terms are used in Australian

745
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 4: litigation or Australian civil service versus over here, but the

746
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 4: proceedings were overseen by a gentleman by the name of

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Speaker 4: Deputy President Richard Gruber, and he had this to say

748
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Speaker 4: about the art exhibition. The participation by visitors in the

749
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Speaker 4: process of being permitted or refused entry is part of

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Speaker 4: the artwork itself. I'm just going to quote from this appiece.

751
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 4: I think it's a little confusing. Gruber ruled that the

752
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 4: man who made the initial complaint had suffered a disadvantage.

753
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Speaker 4: He wrote in the decision that found the exhibition to

754
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 4: be discriminatory in part because the artworks in the ladies Lounge,

755
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 4: which is what it was originally called before they moved

756
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Speaker 4: it to the restrooms. Just want to clear that up

757
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 4: here real quick, were so valuable. Cashelley had described them

758
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 4: to the hearing as a carefully curated selection of paintings

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Speaker 4: by the world's leading artists, including two paintings that spectacularly

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Speaker 4: demonstrate Picasso's genius. The tribunal ordered the Museum Mona to

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Speaker 4: stop refusing men entry, and Gruber also gave the group

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Speaker 4: of women who attended a hard time for those actions

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Speaker 4: that I was describing to you earlier. They were being disrespectful.

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Speaker 4: One woman, he said, this is weird, was pointedly reading

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Speaker 4: feminist texts for shame. Bizarre, and he also lambassad the

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Speaker 4: group for leaving the tribunal in a slow march led

767
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Speaker 4: by Ms Caschelley to the sounds of a Robert Palmer song.

768
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 4: I wonder which Robert Palmer song? It was addicted to love?

769
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Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know. It's hard to say, and really

770
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: quickly it's a little confusing. I apologize if I got

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Speaker 4: this detail wrong. They didn't move the exhibit to a

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Speaker 4: women's restroom. It continued to be referred to as the

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Speaker 4: ladies lounge, and Kashelle actually brought in a working commode

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Speaker 4: and installed it into the space for all intents and purposes,

775
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 4: converting this gallery space to a women's restroom, and allowed

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Speaker 4: them to continue to refuse men's entry to the exhibition.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know. In some of the reporting that

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Speaker 4: I read, it made it sound like you literally moved

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Speaker 4: it to the women's restroom. And also because this had

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Speaker 4: been in place for I believe it's been three years

781
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Speaker 4: before this news story came out. Because of the entry

782
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 4: of the Picasso administration, I was maybe thinking, like, they

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00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 4: just hung these in the women's restroom, so my mistake there.

784
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Speaker 4: Apparently one of them, though for this entire time, was

785
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: accidentally hung upside down. And there's a pretty funny quote

786
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 4: from the curator again of this exhibit, when she admitted

787
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Speaker 4: very recently that she in fact had painted these pieces herself.

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Speaker 4: She said, I imagined that a Picasso scholar, or maybe

789
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 4: it's a Picasso fan, or maybe just someone who googles

790
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 4: things would visit the Ladies Lounge and see that the

791
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 4: painting was upside down and expose me on social media.

792
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Speaker 4: But that didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got I got to say, though, the ruling

794
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Speaker 3: there is very interesting to me. The idea of a

795
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Speaker 3: piece of art being defined in part by the experience

796
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: of seeing it or being denied from seeing it, that

797
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: that concept is really fascinating to me. But also it

798
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: reminds me a bit of fellow conspiracy realists. Part of

799
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: personal anecdote tell us more importantly if you have experience

800
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 3: with this. But it reminds me of some literary shows

801
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: that I've seen here and abroad in Atlanta, most particularly

802
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 3: an event called Blue Stockings, and they would they would

803
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 3: have shows where everybody could go, and then they would

804
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: also have shows that were women or female identified only.

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Speaker 3: And there were a few people in the crowd about

806
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: the temerity to get upset about that. I don't know.

807
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Speaker 3: I mean the idea that you would you tell me,

808
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Speaker 3: you guys, the idea that you would choose this as

809
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: the hill to die on to say that I as

810
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Speaker 3: a dude and being discriminated against.

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Speaker 4: I guess the reason that I described you as sort

812
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Speaker 4: of a work of performance art is And I think

813
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 4: you're right about the judges really. But the most interesting

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Speaker 4: part of the rerling to me was the fact that

815
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Speaker 4: he said it was the value of the art that

816
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: made it unfair to not permit men to come and

817
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 4: see it, and the fact that the art was fully counterfeit.

818
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Speaker 4: That was part of the whole point, you know, I

819
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 4: don't think she was kind of being sneaky and trying

820
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Speaker 4: to make it sort of seem like they were legit,

821
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Speaker 4: but a lot of the literature around it and the

822
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Speaker 4: way it was promoted it was very tongue in cheek,

823
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Speaker 4: and she never actually said they were by Pacasta said

824
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Speaker 4: they represented the genius of Picasso, and they're certainly in

825
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 4: the style of Picasso, which, as I sort of mentioned

826
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Speaker 4: at the top, without knowing his background or appreciating, you know,

827
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Speaker 4: the way he particularly is able to do this stuff,

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Speaker 4: you could fool probably some layman into thinking this is

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Speaker 4: a Picasso because the style can be copied and has

830
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 4: been copied, you know, ad nauseum. So that to me

831
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Speaker 4: was the whole point. And I got to wonder if,

832
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Speaker 4: with the way they acted in the tribunal, that was

833
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 4: part of it too. I think it's pretty genius. Larger game, yeah,

834
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Speaker 4: I think it's kind of very seven, you know, very

835
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Speaker 4: like it was all planned out ahead and we played

836
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 4: right into our hands. Not to compare women with serial killer.

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Speaker 3: I definitely yeah, again, I'm definitely not mad at it.

838
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: And as I mentioned at the top, you know, Picasso

839
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: is really cool in terms of the visual art. Check

840
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 3: out the Prado if you ever get a chance and

841
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 3: you're out that way. One of the one of the

842
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: things that I could say, having read, uh read a

843
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: bunch of old stuff about Picasso in the bat in

844
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Speaker 3: the I was going to say, in the back of the.

845
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Speaker 2: Day but in the day rooms.

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Speaker 4: Famous bastard.

847
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Like I said, it's a terrible person. But

848
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 3: I think he I like to think he would enjoy

849
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: this kind of uh disobedience towards the system, right, this

850
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 3: sort of discordinated discordianism, I think would speak to him.

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Speaker 4: Completely agree.

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00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: He would hit on the women doing it one.

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00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 4: Hundred and I completely agree. And I will just wrap

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Speaker 4: this up by saying that we now have her from

855
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 4: the Picasso administration and they apparently are not seeking any

856
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 4: kind of you know, retribution or you know, doing anything

857
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 4: to try to you know, harm this woman financially or

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00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: the institution. Let me see if I can find the quote.

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00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 4: Here we go. Family of Pablo Picasso chooses not to

860
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 4: take action against Tasmania's Mona for Kirsha Kshelly faked artwork.

861
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Speaker 4: This from an Australian news agency. I believe AMP dot

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Speaker 4: ABC dot net dot au. The family of artists Pablo

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Speaker 4: Picasso has chosen not to take action against Tasmania's Museum

864
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Speaker 4: of Old and New Art after sending it a letter

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Speaker 4: challenging its exhibition of several fake paintings that were falsely

866
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 4: portrayed as Picasso's. It was this letter from the Picasso

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Speaker 4: administration that prompted her to come clean after three years

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Speaker 4: of these paintings being on display, It says, the Picasso estate,

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Speaker 4: through Picasso Administration, recently contacted Mona over the exhibition of

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Speaker 4: several works by Picasso whose nature seemed doubtful. Mona immediately responded,

871
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Speaker 4: expressing its regrets and declaring it was ready to take

872
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Speaker 4: the paintings down. While we can only regret the situation

873
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Speaker 4: in the current overexposure, we believe that this matter is

874
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Speaker 4: now closed. We also specify that we in no way

875
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Speaker 4: hold this against the museum itself nor the artists. The

876
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 4: urgency of creation sometimes makes us forget that there are

877
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Speaker 4: principles of law protecting the interests of authors, which applied

878
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Speaker 4: to everyone. Mistakes are also part of learning, and we

879
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 4: have no doubt that Mona will make sure to call

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Speaker 4: on authors when necessary in the future. I think that

881
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 4: is a very thoughtful and level headed response in the

882
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 4: spirit of the work. If not the life and negative

883
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Speaker 4: actions of Publo Picasso.

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Speaker 3: Well, also that administration had to uh. The Picasso administration

885
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: has famously really up to their diplomacy game because they

886
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 3: had to make peace with some pretty serious disagreements between

887
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Speaker 3: family members or descendants of Picasso's estate, so they they can.

888
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Speaker 3: It's also national thread the needle day while we're recording,

889
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Speaker 3: so they are very good at threading the needle.

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Speaker 2: Ah, very nice guys. I think I have an answer

891
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: to the question Ben that you posed a little earlier,

892
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: like why when and why would you get upset about

893
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 2: something like this where you are not admitted?

894
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 4: Right?

895
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Speaker 2: I think in my head the scenario is every person

896
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: that walks through the door to something pays the same

897
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: price for admission, but because of the intrinsic properties of

898
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Speaker 2: some of the people who pay that admission price, they

899
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Speaker 2: don't get to experience the entirety of whatever it is

900
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: they paid for. I think that's messed up, thought out right,

901
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: and I think anybody would have a problem with that,

902
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: no matter what the thing is that's being pointed at

903
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: and saying you can't because of this.

904
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Speaker 4: But you know you're saying with admission to the me

905
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 4: is the improper you should have access to everything that

906
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 4: everyone else if paying that admission has access.

907
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying that is a general situation, right, So

908
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: if I don't know how much it costs to go

909
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: into this museum, it might be donation kind of thing,

910
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: like the High Museum here in Atlanta or place.

911
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 4: Something like that. Most most are meant Yeah, and if

912
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 4: it is that, actually a lot of modern a lot

913
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 4: of modern art museums do have a hefty price tag,

914
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 4: though sometimes.

915
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that those specifics. I'm just saying

916
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Speaker 2: I think that's the situation where you do get upset

917
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: and you're like, ah, that's kind of messed up, because

918
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: then it is like you're singling people out basically.

919
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 3: You know, which would be different from the example of

920
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 3: say creating ah as it's called a safe space for people.

921
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 3: It would be. But this argument then becomes moot, largely

922
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 3: because these are not the real McCoy picassos, you know,

923
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: and that and that that ruling seems to depend on

924
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 3: the idea of fame or prominence in the discourse of

925
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 3: visual art. But I stand with your point. I think

926
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Speaker 3: that's beautifully recent and highly astute. There.

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Speaker 4: I saw a thing recently that reminded me of this.

928
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 4: It was like a pr kind of I guess, pop

929
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 4: up sort of happening thing that Payless Shoes did in

930
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 4: Los Angeles where they created a storefront and called it

931
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 4: Plessi and had all of these like celebrity influencers show

932
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 4: up and had all of these Payless shoes behind glass

933
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 4: and had them all priced at like six seven hundred

934
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Speaker 4: dollars and they sold a ton of them, only to

935
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 4: reveal at the end that it was all Payless shoes. Now,

936
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 4: one could argue that some influencer who was taken in

937
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: by this and perhaps embarrassed, could come out and say

938
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 4: that was messed up, but they were sort of the

939
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 4: trap was laid for them and it was meant to

940
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 4: prove a point. So I got to wonder, like, is

941
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 4: there a room for litigation in a situation like that?

942
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 4: Where is it false advertising? I guess Payless gave them

943
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 4: all their money back, So I got to wonder, like,

944
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 4: what is the lynch pin of what makes something, you know,

945
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 4: I guess, actionable in that way versus not when there

946
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 4: is deception involved.

947
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it depends on a couple of other things. Because

948
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: then from a legal perspective, you could also ask what

949
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 3: about those taste tests where they say, actually, you know

950
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: Lucciano like the Saturday Night Live sketches. Obviously, actually Luciano's

951
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: is not a real Italian restaurant. You've been eating Domino's

952
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 3: pasta or whatever. Yeah, it's not to beat you to death,

953
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 3: but the idea there is maybe going in through like deception,

954
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: really hinges on the concept of expectation, right, those are

955
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: the two sides of the coin. So if you expect

956
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 3: to see a pacasto and someone's actively telling you that

957
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 3: you are, and it is not a fact Picasso, perhaps

958
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 3: you would have legal grounds. But if you have a

959
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 3: taste test to go to an Italian restaurant you've never

960
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 3: heard of, and you sign a bunch of stuff that

961
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 3: you don't read, then you have removed, you have indemnified

962
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: the tricksters. So I think it's a really interesting question.

963
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: Be great to hear from a legal beagle in the

964
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 3: crowd about this.

965
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Speaker 4: I think it also, at the end of the day,

966
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 4: depended largely on whether people are good sports about it

967
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 4: or not. You know, like it was only one complaint,

968
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 4: it would seem that led to this tribunal, and that's

969
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 4: probably all it takes. But I would argue that the

970
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 4: women responsible for curating this event probably appreciated the fact

971
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: that it led to that, and they were able to

972
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 4: do their kind of escalation of the protest by you know,

973
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 4: doing all of these kind of very obvious actions during

974
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Speaker 4: the tribunal to protest even that. So I think it's neat.

975
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of iconoclastic and a bit badass.

976
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 4: So I just thought i'd bring it up. But I

977
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Speaker 4: think that's about the gist of that one yo.

978
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: And the gist continues. The jig is up, but the

979
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 3: gist continues.

980
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 4: There we go. I don't know.

981
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Speaker 3: We'll work shop it.

982
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Speaker 4: Folks.

983
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