WEBVTT - Bath Salts: Steer Clear 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.040 Hey, Portland and Seattle, we are coming to see you 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.320 live next January. Yep. On January we're gonna be in 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:11.760 beautiful Seattle, Washington at the More Theater. And then on 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.080 January six, the next night, we're gonna be at Revolution 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.279 Hall in Portland. And we are super psyched for these right, Chuck, 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:20.520 that's right. These tickets are going fast. So for all 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:22.360 the deeds, go to our live home on the web 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:27.360 s y s K live dot com. Welcome to Stuff 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:36.480 you Should Know from how Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.240 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.680 w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there, and they are 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:48.559 both loaded on bath salts. No, you're not, like you 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.000 even need to say that. Everybody knows you're not on 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.800 bath salts. Yeah, and so c O a time. Uh, 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.920 this is about the drug bath salts. It's not just 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:00.840 about us chatting about how lovely it is to suak 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.000 in a tub. What do you remember how confusing it 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.000 was when these first came out being an old person 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:06.880 or they're like, is that a bad thing? Like are 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:12.200 they actually snorting bath salts? Uh? So, even though a 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:16.160 lot of this episode about the drug bath salts will 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:21.319 be about the incorrect hysteria surrounding bath salts, much like 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:25.040 the crack episode. Yeah, you should still not ever do 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.440 bath salts. Yeah, yeah, that's not an endorsement for going 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:32.800 and trying. There's anyway. Yeah, but but there is a 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.560 lot of interesting hysteria surrounding this, kind of like a 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.720 BCP and crack and all this stuff. Yeah, it's a 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.840 great it's a really great study in how the media 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.440 can really fuel drug hysteria, and not only how they can, 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.560 how every time a new drug comes out they do 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:54.600 because anytime the media scares everybody, people pay more attention 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.960 to the news, and the media makes more money, so 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.440 they have a reason to scare people. This is a 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:04.920 great example of it. But it is also an example 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.920 of reality coinciding with hysteria too. There was some really 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:13.240 messed up stuff that did happen. Um bath salts just 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:19.200 not nearly as widespread as people thought. Yeah, it's stay 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:23.080 off the bath salts. It's not exactly. Uh So, I 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:27.600 guess our story sort of starts in two thousand tennish 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.280 when this new drug appeared on the scene, and it 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:35.280 is a what they call a designer drug, meaning that 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:40.320 it is created by a person, um synthetically and in 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.600 this case it's rather than God. Yeah, in this case 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:48.600 is something called synthetic cathinone, which will we'll get into 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:53.920 all the chemical stuff in a bit, but um. And 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.400 I was shocked to learn that designer drugs there's like 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.799 several hundred a year. Is that what it said? Like 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:03.440 two hift something in Europe? So there's we We worked 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.200 also off of a Smithsonian article that was great called 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.799 no bath salts Won't turn you into a cannibal. And 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.080 the author mentions, um that there was Yeah, like I 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.840 think from two thousand nine till two thousand fourteen or fifteen, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.240 there was like two D seventy nine new designer drugs 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:25.440 that hit them. Mark sure, yes. Um. The reason why, though, 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:31.240 is because designer drugs are easily tweaked, and the reason 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.560 that they tweak them just ever so slightly is because 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:38.200 governments tend to outlaw specific chemicals and they do that 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.480 by um, the chemical composition. Well, if you add like 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.400 a covalent bond here, or a hydrogen atom there or whatever. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.000 I don't know, I'm not a chemist. But if you 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.760 alter it ever so slightly so it still has basically 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.560 the same effect, but it is a different chemical than 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.920 the one that's outlawed. You can then turn around and 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.640 sell that legally for a while until that chemical composition 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:01.080 gets outlawed. Yeah, it's uh in this article is rightfully 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.960 referred to as its cycle in a very tough cycle 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.800 to battle as far as drug enforcement goes, it's it's 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:12.000 a new day an age with a synthetic drug thing, 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.320 but it's it does seem like if the media gets 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:19.000 the nation on board, then the drug warriors can be 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:23.080 like it's outlawed now and everybody's like, okay, cool, alright, 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.600 So two thousand ten, what's going on two thousand ten? 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:31.240 Over in London? I believe a drug called metha drone 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.880 got kind of big method as an emmy p h. Yeah, 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:39.520 I'm not like listening like methodrone also known as miamio, 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.280 which is probably the greatest drug slang name of all time, 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.159 although there's another one in here that we'll get to 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.360 that maybe even better than miamo. But I think I'm 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.839 just gonna call everything miaw me out from now on. Yeah. 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.120 I just like the idea of someone like you know, 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:54.880 walking up to a guy on the street corner say hey, man, 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.040 you got Miami, right, so I got you looked up 0:04:58.160 --> 0:04:59.880 the guys Like, you know, you could just say mea 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.960 all you know what you're talking about. He's like, no, 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:03.720 it's better to say it twice. He said, I can. 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.200 I can also hook up your kiddi with some yall mix. Right. 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.000 So this this stuff kind of hit the scene in 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:14.039 Europe and then in very very short order, um, it 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.720 made its way over to the US as well, and 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.320 it was really popular all of a sudden among club kids, ravers, 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.039 people who enjoy getting high on drugs really liked it 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.360 a lot and wearing pants with wide legs. Sure, yeah, 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.120 that's a big one still probably, although I think that's 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:34.120 like goths now, Like now ravers are called goth kids. 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.400 There's been a convergence. Yeah, it's weird, but they're all 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.919 like into florescent. It's it's it's a bizarre convergence that 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:46.479 happened somewhere in our rear view after after we kind 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.280 of moved out of that. I mean, I was post rave, 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.000 like I wasn't in that scene even I was too 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:56.400 old for that. I was peri rave. What does that mean? Like? Right? 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.440 And oh, you did you go to those things? Yeah, 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.000 I went to They might have told the story once, 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:03.840 but I lived in a warehouse in Atlanta one year 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:08.520 and actually it was right at the turn of two thousand, 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:13.000 and they had raves at these warehouses for a while, 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.840 and I went to one. Me and my buddies are like, 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:20.560 all right, let's do it, and uh yeah, what my scene. 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:23.040 But we had one friend our age that was really 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.800 into it, and he even wore the clothes. It's like, dude, 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.960 you're too old to be wearing. Come on, you shall 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.000 remain nameless. I know exactly who it is all bet, No, 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.560 you don't know who. Are you gonna say that. I'm 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.000 not gonna say now then, Okay, okay, you'll tell me 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:44.799 maybe so So anyway, uh two, long, long, long after 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:49.400 Chuck went to his rave and I went to my rave. Um, 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.480 this this new drug hit the scene. And the reason 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.040 one of the reasons it was so popular and became 0:06:56.440 --> 0:07:00.640 very widespread, like out of nowhere, was because you could 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.640 go to a head shop. You could go to like 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.680 a Spencer's. Maybe, you could go to the mall. You 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.880 could go to a gas station, you could go to 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.200 like a skate shop and buy this stuff, and it 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.080 was called bath salts, and some of them they had 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.960 like brand names on some of the bath salts, like 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:22.520 a Loco, Motion, Vanilla s Guy, Zoom, Ocean Snow, like 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.240 every dumb name you can think of is what they 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.640 call them. But they were all generally lumped into the 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.560 this new drug bath salts. And it was totally legal. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.760 And if you look down the label, it would say 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.840 I love that name. If you look down the label, 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.920 it would say not for human consumption, this is pond 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:51.800 cleaner or vacuum refreshing it right, um? Or plant food yeah, 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.320 plant food was another fertilized or something like that, right, 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:56.520 And then yes, you would buy this packet. I think 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.600 it was like fifty bucks for fifty milligrams or something 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.520 like that. I don't even know how much that is. Um. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.920 I think they came in like a packet, okay, you know, 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.320 like pop rocks size packet. There you go put it 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.560 in something I can, right, Okay, So about a pop 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:15.040 rox amount was I think? Um? And yes, the people 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.040 would take the home and chop it up and snort 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:22.520 it or crazy crazy people would inject it. Um. Some 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.840 people smoked it, some people just ate it. But I 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:30.120 think the predominant way it was done with snorting it. Yeah, 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.440 And the reason I think we probably already said this, 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.520 but the reason it's called bath salts was because it 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.440 very much looked like the stuff that you put in 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.559 the bathtub to have a nice quiet soak, very relaxing 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.079 light of candle. Put in some bath salts in your tub, 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.240 which is very ironic because the drug is the opposite 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.600 of that experience. Yeah, especially if you do too much. Yeah, 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:55.880 by all accounts, bath salts will Actually I'm gonna just 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.200 go ahead and read this because it's so great. Is 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.520 this from the Smithsonian article? I think it's from our own, 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.880 but it really describes the experience such that why would 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.200 anyone want to try this out? The bodies of basalt 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.319 users experience of smortge sport of stress effects including rapid 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.560 heart rate, high blood pressure, chest pain's fever, sweating, nausea, vomiting, 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:18.120 no speeds, trimmor, seizures, muscle agitation. UH. These can lead 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.520 to muscle damage, kidney failure, heart attack, stroke, and death. 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:27.559 The brain boards an emotional perceptual roller coaster of agitation, airritability, dissneance, insomnia, 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.120 taking slowly of pills of anxiety and then diving into 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:35.120 valleys of depression concentration grows difficult. Uh, thoughts might take 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.360 a turn towards suicide or extreme paranoia fuel by delusions 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.240 and in some cases hallucinations, all of which can culminate 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:46.800 in panic attacks, hostility, or aggression. Sounds great, right, So 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.800 what that was describing, from what I understand was if 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.200 you are a chronic user in this stuff, we should 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.680 say was highly addictive. Yeah, worst worst case scenario type 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.320 of experience, right, But it wasn't like out of the 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.760 realm of possibility for about anybody to have this kind 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.760 of experience. But it's not like if you snorted your 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.160 first line of bath salts like you were immediately, you know, 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.920 you've gone nuts and you're having a horrible time. The 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:15.640 reason people tried bath salts is because usually UM at 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:21.280 a normal dose I guess, produced euphoria, talkativeness, sociability, um 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:25.040 energy like a sexy drive. Yeah, yeah, it would increase 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.120 your sex drive and a lot of people likened it 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:31.600 to a cross between cocaine and ecstasy. Right. And it 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.200 was cheap. Yeah, that was another thing too. Yeah, Like 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.880 you said again, the pop rocks thing I don't know 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.840 how much it took, but um, it was pretty cheap 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:47.079 compared to like the cocaine and the ecstasy. I think. So, um, 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.520 should we take a break, I guess so. All right, 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.040 well let's take a break and we'll come back and 0:10:52.200 --> 0:11:21.600 uh well, hop into the bathtub again. All right, Chuck, 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.839 We're in the tub. We're soaking in it. It's very relaxing. Yeah. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.240 I think it's starting to permeate through the skin. Is 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.160 that your foot? I sure, hope. So, yeah, this got 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:34.120 a lot here on that toe. Uh So, Here's here's 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.240 why bath salts begin to make the news is because 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.280 and this is where it gets into a little bit 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.160 of hysteria, because sometimes these people were in fact on 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:48.839 bath salts and did some extreme things, and sometimes people 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.160 were not on bath salts. But a cop on the 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.480 scene who talked to a reporter said, yeah, it sounds 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.520 like bath salts to me, and then all of a 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.360 sudden it's reported that way. Yeah. There's a very famous 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:04.600 case of that. Yeah, most infamously is the the zombie 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:10.719 cannibal Rudy Eugene. Yeah in Miami remember that you? Oh yeah, 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.800 I remember? Very disturbing. Yeah, Like, um, there was a 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:17.640 man named Rudy Eugene who completely out of the blue, 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.520 as he was walking around Miami one Saturday, just jumped 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.880 on a homeless man that he saw and over the 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:30.640 course of like eighteen minutes, ate his face. Eighteen minutes. 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.000 Ronald Peppo was the name of the man. And he's recovered, 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.080 actually has he doesn't have a face any longer, he 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.440 doesn't have eyes or anything like that. Yeah, but he's 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.640 taken the opportunity to learn the guitar again. Wow. Yeah, 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.440 he's actually seemed like he's in high spirits and everything now. 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.959 But he was not in high spirits while Rudy Eugene 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.200 was eating his face. And Eugene died on the scene. 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:58.160 He was killed by cops. Yeah who um I from 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.480 what I read, it took multiple rounds to to to 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:06.360 kill him. Um making animals sounds like. It was so 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:12.920 disturbing it immediately became a bath salt frenzy. But here's 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:14.920 the thing. He was not on bath salts. No. A 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.120 cop on the scene apparently said to a reporter, he's 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:22.560 definitely gotta be on bath salts, and the entire media, 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.960 the international media, took that and ran with it, like 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.360 you said. A month later, the Talks report came out 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.240 and the only thing they found in the system was marijuana. 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.440 And you and you don't hear. Uh, you don't hear 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.880 much about the follow up reporting usually no, you don't. 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:38.880 And as a matter of fact, as recently as I 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.079 think two thousand and sixteen, this Forbes article we found 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:46.200 um mentioned that CBS News was still reporting that the 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:51.240 that that episode was the result of a bath Bath 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.520 Salts overdose. It is so um the fact that that 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.760 happened in two thousand and twelve, right in the peak 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:03.040 of the kind of hysteria that had been building over 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:08.480 bath salts. Use um. It lent this this idea to 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.720 bath salts, that it turned you into a zombie cannibal 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:16.080 who was capable of like doing anything and and usually 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:21.200 would become very physically violent, was impervious to pain. Yep, 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.160 took like fifteen cops to take them down. And the 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:30.160 media was reporting on this without facts, and somebody would 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:34.600 do something crazy and somebody was suggested it was baths Salts, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.480 and the media would report that the bath Salts did 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.240 this to this person. A month later, a Talk report 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.800 would come back there was no Bath Salts involved. But 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.320 it was too late. So bath salts And whether this 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.520 is like unfair or not, it doesn't matter. The point 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:54.040 is this the media was being extremely lazy and they 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.920 shaped public opinion over a drug in in ways that 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.000 should not have been shaped, and they should be taken 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.720 to task for that. Yeah, and like, uh, here's a 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.680 quote I think from that Smithsonian article said, the description 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.760 of basalts UH present in these broadcast media reports was 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:14.640 very different from the scientific literature on the topic, and 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.080 it does not appear that the media took this particular 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:22.400 source of information into account in reporting. Um. So basically 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.280 that's from that Forbes article that was at the Ford plant. 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:29.720 So basically like they were completely ignoring the science behind it, 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:35.040 and all this notion of super strength UH and psychosis, 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:40.359 which maybe could happen under the most extreme overdose addiction 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:46.080 cases was not. I mean, basically, like you said, it's 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:52.560 talkativeness energy euphoria. That's a long cry from super strong 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:56.560 zombie cannibal. The thing that that strikes me is like, 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:03.240 I want to know what why rude Eugene did that? Why? What? Why? 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.080 Where did that come from? It was like do you 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.760 remember many many years ago? I don't know ten fifteen 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.360 years ago there was a guy on a on a 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:14.920 bus on the Trans Canada Highway who out of nowhere 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.760 pulls out a knife and stabs the guy sitting next 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:19.720 to him, who he doesn't know and apparently hadn't even 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.200 spoken to on the bus ride. Stabs him to death 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.760 and then cuts his head off. And that guy is 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:30.160 supposedly had no history of violence. Um, and it came 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.880 out of nowhere. What makes somebody snap? What makes somebody 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:37.520 chew someone else's face off? That's what the media should 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.120 be finding out reporting on. Instead they're just parroting, or 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.880 in this case, they were parroting the supposition of one 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:48.280 police officer who was on the scene and never followed 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.120 up on the talks report. Right, Should we talk about 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.680 the history a little bit? Yeah, it's very interesting. I'm sorry, 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.720 Am I on a am I on a soapbox? Okay? Good? No, 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.560 like you're on a bar of soap, all right. I 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.520 can deal with that. It's very feel like I can 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.920 inch off the ground. I get so sick of myself sometimes, 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.760 you know, no, no, no no. Uh. So Bath salts 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.639 his historically and it is very surprising to learn, but 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:16.600 synthetic cathinonwes Um came about in France in the nineteen twenties, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.600 which is a shock to me. It was a swinging 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.719 time for France. I bet it was, uh, and it was. 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.800 It didn't become like super popular and was all over 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.879 the place. It kind of went back underground until it 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.919 was published. The recipe was published on the web in 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.960 the mid two thousand's. Could you find who published it? 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.800 I couldn't find no. I mean some underground chemists from 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.359 published it. Yeah, and it was taken off the web, 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:44.760 or at least that website was shut down in two 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.280 thousand and four, but it was already out there. And 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:49.920 uh there there are some other drugs that we need 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.000 to mention that sort of are in the same category. Um. 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:57.760 One is called Hagga got, which was big in Israel, 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:02.239 and I believe hagga got was a synthetic version of 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:06.640 the natural plant cot k h a t yeah, and 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.919 cot um is. It's a leafy plant that grows in 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.760 I think the horn of Africa and parts of the 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.920 Middle East, and it's kind of popular in those areas. 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.440 Apparently it's just a part of everyday life, like if 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.560 you're a student cramming for tests. You're going to chew 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.760 cot leaves like you would chew tobacco if you're a 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:29.119 redneck here in the US, or like you might brew 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.159 a t from it um, which you would drink at 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.240 like social gatherings. Some people drink it in the morning. 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.439 It's it's often compared to coffee. I've seen that it 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:45.800 is far far stronger than coffee. But it produces giddiness, um, euphoria, uh, 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:51.160 something verging on anxiety. And so cot is the natural 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:55.000 version of what is it, the synthetic cathone? Okay, but 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.800 it's the natural version of the cathanone, and so everything 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.840 else is a synthetic version, include eoting bath salts right 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:03.960 in that Hagagat which was big in the Middle East. 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.720 So there were different There are a lot of different versions. 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.640 It's not like, um, it's not like there was one 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.600 bath salt recipe, like I think that it was continually 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.400 sort of changed in all of these synthetic drugs, like 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.879 we mentioned that cycle are constantly being tweaked and changed 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.520 and are sort of different versions of the same thing. 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.040 But so bath salts came about because, like I said 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.760 in two thousand ten, mephodrone made a big splash on 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.520 the UK club scene, and methodrone is kind of like 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.320 it's like a an even more synthetic version of m 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.760 D m A. Right. It produces similar effects, but it's 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:47.040 a why can't I say it? Yeah, I don't know, kathanone, 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:51.400 Kathon Kathy, Okay, I got it. It's a right. It's 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.680 a type of miamio, right, whereas m D M A 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:58.119 is something else. Um. But methodrone what it does is 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:02.600 it forces a release of dopamine and the neurotransmitter and 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:06.080 that's that's your happy feeling. That's part of the reward center, 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.760 the pleasure center in the brain, and it forces that. Well, 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.680 everybody loved methodrone, and they said, well, if you love 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:17.119 methrodrone also known as miamial, you're gonna love methodrone. Mixed 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.320 with a couple of other drugs. Yeah, one called meth alone, 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:25.159 which is another kath cathinone, another type of it does 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:29.080 get a little confusing, uh. And And basically from what 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.720 I can tell, the reason that they say it's like 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:35.160 cocaine and ecstasy is because of the combination of the things, 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.119 Like one is like ecstasy and one is like so 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.600 two of them are like ecstasy. Methodrone and meth alone 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.119 are like ecstasy, where both of those things go in 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.639 and say, hey, neurons release a bunch of dopamine, so 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:51.000 you've got more than usual, which is right, And then 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.160 you've got m d p V. And I'm gonna try 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:56.920 saying this out loud because I've practiced a couple of times. 0:20:57.480 --> 0:20:59.520 Let me see if I can. I didn't even highlight 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.680 that word. Are you ready for this? Sure? Okay, Chuck. 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.200 M d p V it looks like the alphabet. It's 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:12.159 so long methylene dioxy pyro valerone. Who I told you 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.359 I practice that was take one everyone, just so you 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:16.359 know that was not the magic of editing. And m 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.680 d p V is I'm not sure if it's a 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:24.359 cathine own or not, but what it does is it 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:31.679 stimulates the release of nora ephron. It also prevents its reuptake, 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.359 but it also prevents the reuptake of dopamine. So you 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:39.320 have two drugs that are forcing your neurons to release 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:43.240 more dopamine and another drug that's stimulating your fight or 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:49.280 flight response and is preventing that dopamine that's being released 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:51.680 from being taken up. So it's just floating in your brain. 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:57.160 It's like a perfect storm, right brain activity. I guess 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.840 if you're a drug user, the right kind of brain activity. Right. So, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.959 and these are three different drugs that people liked on 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:06.520 their own that somebody mixed together, like like m D 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:11.520 p V is supposedly produces feelings akin to cocaine, but 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.679 like ten times the impact of it. I've seen in 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:18.879 multiple sources um and they mixed these three things together. 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.360 That's what bath salts are. Correct. And so in two 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.840 thousand and ten UH in the UK, poison control centers 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:30.840 yielded um or fielded rather thirty four and seventy bath 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:34.400 salt calls just from January to June, which is about 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:41.480 ten times the previous year's total. By twleven, midnight states 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:44.040 here in the United States had banned bath salts, and 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:48.639 then finally in October, the d e A basically can 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:52.280 can do this thing where they're like emergency, we don't. 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.199 We're aint gonna go through all the rigamarole. We're just 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:58.520 gonna say this stuff is federally banned. Yeah, wolf Blitzer 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.320 said it was dangerous, so we're gonna ban it. Yeah, 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:04.040 or actually that that didn't ban it. It was October. 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.320 I'm sorry, July. That was a federal government right when 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:11.200 Obama signed a federal ban on a bunch of synthetic drugs. 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:13.320 Basalts make one of them. But like you said before, 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.199 that the d e A had the authority to be like, 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:17.480 this is outlawed. We're not even we're not going to 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:21.880 Congress the president, and we're outlawing it. And they did. Um. 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:26.040 So metho, drone, meth alone, and m DPV were all outlawed, 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:29.000 I think. And the head of the e A stood 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:32.359 in front of America and said, maa, maal, we just 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:36.080 we just gave out ma'amo the boot. Let's take another 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:37.760 break and then we'll come back and talk about all 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:40.520 the reasons why you should not try bass salts. Right 0:23:40.520 --> 0:24:11.160 after that, so miamal um, what's that from super Troopers? 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.680 So people may have heard like, oh wow, ten times 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:22.119 greater than cocaine. I gotta try that. It's just like ecstasy, 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.800 but even more potent. I gotta try it. Don't try this, um, 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:30.120 and here all the reasons why you should not try it, right, So, yes, 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:35.399 it will produce feelings of euphoria. Um. Great, sensations in you. UM, 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:38.480 if you do a normal dose, you don't really know 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:41.680 what a normal dose is. One of the big problems 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:45.080 with this is that it was a designer drug, meaning 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:48.560