1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Hey, Portland and Seattle, we are coming to see you 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: live next January. Yep. On January we're gonna be in 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: beautiful Seattle, Washington at the More Theater. And then on 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: January six, the next night, we're gonna be at Revolution 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: Hall in Portland. And we are super psyched for these right, Chuck, 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: that's right. These tickets are going fast. So for all 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: the deeds, go to our live home on the web 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: s y s K live dot com. Welcome to Stuff 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: you Should Know from how Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there, and they are 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: both loaded on bath salts. No, you're not, like you 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: even need to say that. Everybody knows you're not on 14 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: bath salts. Yeah, and so c O a time. Uh, 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: this is about the drug bath salts. It's not just 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: about us chatting about how lovely it is to suak 17 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: in a tub. What do you remember how confusing it 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: was when these first came out being an old person 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: or they're like, is that a bad thing? Like are 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: they actually snorting bath salts? Uh? So, even though a 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: lot of this episode about the drug bath salts will 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: be about the incorrect hysteria surrounding bath salts, much like 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: the crack episode. Yeah, you should still not ever do 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: bath salts. Yeah, yeah, that's not an endorsement for going 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: and trying. There's anyway. Yeah, but but there is a 26 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: lot of interesting hysteria surrounding this, kind of like a 27 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: BCP and crack and all this stuff. Yeah, it's a 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: great it's a really great study in how the media 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: can really fuel drug hysteria, and not only how they can, 30 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: how every time a new drug comes out they do 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: because anytime the media scares everybody, people pay more attention 32 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: to the news, and the media makes more money, so 33 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: they have a reason to scare people. This is a 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: great example of it. But it is also an example 35 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: of reality coinciding with hysteria too. There was some really 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: messed up stuff that did happen. Um bath salts just 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: not nearly as widespread as people thought. Yeah, it's stay 38 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: off the bath salts. It's not exactly. Uh So, I 39 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: guess our story sort of starts in two thousand tennish 40 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: when this new drug appeared on the scene, and it 41 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: is a what they call a designer drug, meaning that 42 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: it is created by a person, um synthetically and in 43 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: this case it's rather than God. Yeah, in this case 44 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: is something called synthetic cathinone, which will we'll get into 45 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: all the chemical stuff in a bit, but um. And 46 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: I was shocked to learn that designer drugs there's like 47 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: several hundred a year. Is that what it said? Like 48 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: two hift something in Europe? So there's we We worked 49 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: also off of a Smithsonian article that was great called 50 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: no bath salts Won't turn you into a cannibal. And 51 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: the author mentions, um that there was Yeah, like I 52 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: think from two thousand nine till two thousand fourteen or fifteen, 53 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: there was like two D seventy nine new designer drugs 54 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: that hit them. Mark sure, yes. Um. The reason why, though, 55 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: is because designer drugs are easily tweaked, and the reason 56 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: that they tweak them just ever so slightly is because 57 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: governments tend to outlaw specific chemicals and they do that 58 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: by um, the chemical composition. Well, if you add like 59 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: a covalent bond here, or a hydrogen atom there or whatever. 60 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not a chemist. But if you 61 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: alter it ever so slightly so it still has basically 62 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: the same effect, but it is a different chemical than 63 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: the one that's outlawed. You can then turn around and 64 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: sell that legally for a while until that chemical composition 65 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: gets outlawed. Yeah, it's uh in this article is rightfully 66 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: referred to as its cycle in a very tough cycle 67 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: to battle as far as drug enforcement goes, it's it's 68 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: a new day an age with a synthetic drug thing, 69 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: but it's it does seem like if the media gets 70 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: the nation on board, then the drug warriors can be 71 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: like it's outlawed now and everybody's like, okay, cool, alright, 72 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: So two thousand ten, what's going on two thousand ten? 73 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: Over in London? I believe a drug called metha drone 74 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: got kind of big method as an emmy p h. Yeah, 75 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: I'm not like listening like methodrone also known as miamio, 76 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: which is probably the greatest drug slang name of all time, 77 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: although there's another one in here that we'll get to 78 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: that maybe even better than miamo. But I think I'm 79 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: just gonna call everything miaw me out from now on. Yeah. 80 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: I just like the idea of someone like you know, 81 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: walking up to a guy on the street corner say hey, man, 82 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: you got Miami, right, so I got you looked up 83 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: the guys Like, you know, you could just say mea 84 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: all you know what you're talking about. He's like, no, 85 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: it's better to say it twice. He said, I can. 86 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: I can also hook up your kiddi with some yall mix. Right. 87 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: So this this stuff kind of hit the scene in 88 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: Europe and then in very very short order, um, it 89 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: made its way over to the US as well, and 90 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: it was really popular all of a sudden among club kids, ravers, 91 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: people who enjoy getting high on drugs really liked it 92 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: a lot and wearing pants with wide legs. Sure, yeah, 93 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: that's a big one still probably, although I think that's 94 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: like goths now, Like now ravers are called goth kids. 95 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: There's been a convergence. Yeah, it's weird, but they're all 96 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: like into florescent. It's it's it's a bizarre convergence that 97 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: happened somewhere in our rear view after after we kind 98 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: of moved out of that. I mean, I was post rave, 99 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: like I wasn't in that scene even I was too 100 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: old for that. I was peri rave. What does that mean? Like? Right? 101 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: And oh, you did you go to those things? Yeah, 102 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: I went to They might have told the story once, 103 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: but I lived in a warehouse in Atlanta one year 104 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: and actually it was right at the turn of two thousand, 105 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: and they had raves at these warehouses for a while, 106 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: and I went to one. Me and my buddies are like, 107 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: all right, let's do it, and uh yeah, what my scene. 108 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: But we had one friend our age that was really 109 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: into it, and he even wore the clothes. It's like, dude, 110 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: you're too old to be wearing. Come on, you shall 111 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: remain nameless. I know exactly who it is all bet, No, 112 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: you don't know who. Are you gonna say that. I'm 113 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: not gonna say now then, Okay, okay, you'll tell me 114 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 1: maybe so So anyway, uh two, long, long, long after 115 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: Chuck went to his rave and I went to my rave. Um, 116 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: this this new drug hit the scene. And the reason 117 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: one of the reasons it was so popular and became 118 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: very widespread, like out of nowhere, was because you could 119 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: go to a head shop. You could go to like 120 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: a Spencer's. Maybe, you could go to the mall. You 121 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: could go to a gas station, you could go to 122 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: like a skate shop and buy this stuff, and it 123 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: was called bath salts, and some of them they had 124 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: like brand names on some of the bath salts, like 125 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: a Loco, Motion, Vanilla s Guy, Zoom, Ocean Snow, like 126 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: every dumb name you can think of is what they 127 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: call them. But they were all generally lumped into the 128 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: this new drug bath salts. And it was totally legal. 129 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: And if you look down the label, it would say 130 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: I love that name. If you look down the label, 131 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: it would say not for human consumption, this is pond 132 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: cleaner or vacuum refreshing it right, um? Or plant food yeah, 133 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: plant food was another fertilized or something like that, right, 134 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: And then yes, you would buy this packet. I think 135 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: it was like fifty bucks for fifty milligrams or something 136 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: like that. I don't even know how much that is. Um. 137 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: I think they came in like a packet, okay, you know, 138 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: like pop rocks size packet. There you go put it 139 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: in something I can, right, Okay, So about a pop 140 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: rox amount was I think? Um? And yes, the people 141 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: would take the home and chop it up and snort 142 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: it or crazy crazy people would inject it. Um. Some 143 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: people smoked it, some people just ate it. But I 144 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: think the predominant way it was done with snorting it. Yeah, 145 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: And the reason I think we probably already said this, 146 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: but the reason it's called bath salts was because it 147 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: very much looked like the stuff that you put in 148 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: the bathtub to have a nice quiet soak, very relaxing 149 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: light of candle. Put in some bath salts in your tub, 150 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: which is very ironic because the drug is the opposite 151 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: of that experience. Yeah, especially if you do too much. Yeah, 152 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: by all accounts, bath salts will Actually I'm gonna just 153 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: go ahead and read this because it's so great. Is 154 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: this from the Smithsonian article? I think it's from our own, 155 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: but it really describes the experience such that why would 156 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: anyone want to try this out? The bodies of basalt 157 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: users experience of smortge sport of stress effects including rapid 158 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: heart rate, high blood pressure, chest pain's fever, sweating, nausea, vomiting, 159 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: no speeds, trimmor, seizures, muscle agitation. UH. These can lead 160 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: to muscle damage, kidney failure, heart attack, stroke, and death. 161 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: The brain boards an emotional perceptual roller coaster of agitation, airritability, dissneance, insomnia, 162 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: taking slowly of pills of anxiety and then diving into 163 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: valleys of depression concentration grows difficult. Uh, thoughts might take 164 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: a turn towards suicide or extreme paranoia fuel by delusions 165 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: and in some cases hallucinations, all of which can culminate 166 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: in panic attacks, hostility, or aggression. Sounds great, right, So 167 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: what that was describing, from what I understand was if 168 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: you are a chronic user in this stuff, we should 169 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: say was highly addictive. Yeah, worst worst case scenario type 170 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: of experience, right, But it wasn't like out of the 171 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: realm of possibility for about anybody to have this kind 172 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: of experience. But it's not like if you snorted your 173 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: first line of bath salts like you were immediately, you know, 174 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: you've gone nuts and you're having a horrible time. The 175 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: reason people tried bath salts is because usually UM at 176 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: a normal dose I guess, produced euphoria, talkativeness, sociability, um 177 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: energy like a sexy drive. Yeah, yeah, it would increase 178 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: your sex drive and a lot of people likened it 179 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: to a cross between cocaine and ecstasy. Right. And it 180 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: was cheap. Yeah, that was another thing too. Yeah, Like 181 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: you said again, the pop rocks thing I don't know 182 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: how much it took, but um, it was pretty cheap 183 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: compared to like the cocaine and the ecstasy. I think. So, um, 184 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: should we take a break, I guess so. All right, 185 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: well let's take a break and we'll come back and 186 00:10:52,200 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: uh well, hop into the bathtub again. All right, Chuck, 187 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 1: We're in the tub. We're soaking in it. It's very relaxing. Yeah. 188 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: I think it's starting to permeate through the skin. Is 189 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: that your foot? I sure, hope. So, yeah, this got 190 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: a lot here on that toe. Uh So, Here's here's 191 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: why bath salts begin to make the news is because 192 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: and this is where it gets into a little bit 193 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: of hysteria, because sometimes these people were in fact on 194 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: bath salts and did some extreme things, and sometimes people 195 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: were not on bath salts. But a cop on the 196 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: scene who talked to a reporter said, yeah, it sounds 197 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: like bath salts to me, and then all of a 198 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: sudden it's reported that way. Yeah. There's a very famous 199 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: case of that. Yeah, most infamously is the the zombie 200 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: cannibal Rudy Eugene. Yeah in Miami remember that you? Oh yeah, 201 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: I remember? Very disturbing. Yeah, Like, um, there was a 202 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: man named Rudy Eugene who completely out of the blue, 203 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: as he was walking around Miami one Saturday, just jumped 204 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: on a homeless man that he saw and over the 205 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: course of like eighteen minutes, ate his face. Eighteen minutes. 206 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: Ronald Peppo was the name of the man. And he's recovered, 207 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: actually has he doesn't have a face any longer, he 208 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: doesn't have eyes or anything like that. Yeah, but he's 209 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: taken the opportunity to learn the guitar again. Wow. Yeah, 210 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: he's actually seemed like he's in high spirits and everything now. 211 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: But he was not in high spirits while Rudy Eugene 212 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: was eating his face. And Eugene died on the scene. 213 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: He was killed by cops. Yeah who um I from 214 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: what I read, it took multiple rounds to to to 215 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: kill him. Um making animals sounds like. It was so 216 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: disturbing it immediately became a bath salt frenzy. But here's 217 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: the thing. He was not on bath salts. No. A 218 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: cop on the scene apparently said to a reporter, he's 219 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: definitely gotta be on bath salts, and the entire media, 220 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: the international media, took that and ran with it, like 221 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: you said. A month later, the Talks report came out 222 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: and the only thing they found in the system was marijuana. 223 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: And you and you don't hear. Uh, you don't hear 224 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: much about the follow up reporting usually no, you don't. 225 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, as recently as I 226 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: think two thousand and sixteen, this Forbes article we found 227 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: um mentioned that CBS News was still reporting that the 228 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: that that episode was the result of a bath Bath 229 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: Salts overdose. It is so um the fact that that 230 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: happened in two thousand and twelve, right in the peak 231 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: of the kind of hysteria that had been building over 232 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: bath salts. Use um. It lent this this idea to 233 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: bath salts, that it turned you into a zombie cannibal 234 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: who was capable of like doing anything and and usually 235 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: would become very physically violent, was impervious to pain. Yep, 236 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: took like fifteen cops to take them down. And the 237 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: media was reporting on this without facts, and somebody would 238 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: do something crazy and somebody was suggested it was baths Salts, 239 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: and the media would report that the bath Salts did 240 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: this to this person. A month later, a Talk report 241 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: would come back there was no Bath Salts involved. But 242 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: it was too late. So bath salts And whether this 243 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: is like unfair or not, it doesn't matter. The point 244 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: is this the media was being extremely lazy and they 245 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: shaped public opinion over a drug in in ways that 246 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: should not have been shaped, and they should be taken 247 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: to task for that. Yeah, and like, uh, here's a 248 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: quote I think from that Smithsonian article said, the description 249 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: of basalts UH present in these broadcast media reports was 250 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: very different from the scientific literature on the topic, and 251 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: it does not appear that the media took this particular 252 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: source of information into account in reporting. Um. So basically 253 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: that's from that Forbes article that was at the Ford plant. 254 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: So basically like they were completely ignoring the science behind it, 255 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: and all this notion of super strength UH and psychosis, 256 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,359 Speaker 1: which maybe could happen under the most extreme overdose addiction 257 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: cases was not. I mean, basically, like you said, it's 258 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: talkativeness energy euphoria. That's a long cry from super strong 259 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: zombie cannibal. The thing that that strikes me is like, 260 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: I want to know what why rude Eugene did that? Why? What? Why? 261 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: Where did that come from? It was like do you 262 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: remember many many years ago? I don't know ten fifteen 263 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: years ago there was a guy on a on a 264 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: bus on the Trans Canada Highway who out of nowhere 265 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: pulls out a knife and stabs the guy sitting next 266 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: to him, who he doesn't know and apparently hadn't even 267 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: spoken to on the bus ride. Stabs him to death 268 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: and then cuts his head off. And that guy is 269 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: supposedly had no history of violence. Um, and it came 270 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. What makes somebody snap? What makes somebody 271 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: chew someone else's face off? That's what the media should 272 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: be finding out reporting on. Instead they're just parroting, or 273 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: in this case, they were parroting the supposition of one 274 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: police officer who was on the scene and never followed 275 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: up on the talks report. Right, Should we talk about 276 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: the history a little bit? Yeah, it's very interesting. I'm sorry, 277 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: Am I on a am I on a soapbox? Okay? Good? No, 278 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: like you're on a bar of soap, all right. I 279 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: can deal with that. It's very feel like I can 280 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: inch off the ground. I get so sick of myself sometimes, 281 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, no, no, no no. Uh. So Bath salts 282 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: his historically and it is very surprising to learn, but 283 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: synthetic cathinonwes Um came about in France in the nineteen twenties, 284 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: which is a shock to me. It was a swinging 285 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 1: time for France. I bet it was, uh, and it was. 286 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: It didn't become like super popular and was all over 287 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: the place. It kind of went back underground until it 288 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: was published. The recipe was published on the web in 289 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: the mid two thousand's. Could you find who published it? 290 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't find no. I mean some underground chemists from 291 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: published it. Yeah, and it was taken off the web, 292 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: or at least that website was shut down in two 293 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: thousand and four, but it was already out there. And 294 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: uh there there are some other drugs that we need 295 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: to mention that sort of are in the same category. Um. 296 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: One is called Hagga got, which was big in Israel, 297 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 1: and I believe hagga got was a synthetic version of 298 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: the natural plant cot k h a t yeah, and 299 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: cot um is. It's a leafy plant that grows in 300 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: I think the horn of Africa and parts of the 301 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: Middle East, and it's kind of popular in those areas. 302 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: Apparently it's just a part of everyday life, like if 303 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: you're a student cramming for tests. You're going to chew 304 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: cot leaves like you would chew tobacco if you're a 305 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: redneck here in the US, or like you might brew 306 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: a t from it um, which you would drink at 307 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: like social gatherings. Some people drink it in the morning. 308 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: It's it's often compared to coffee. I've seen that it 309 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: is far far stronger than coffee. But it produces giddiness, um, euphoria, uh, 310 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: something verging on anxiety. And so cot is the natural 311 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: version of what is it, the synthetic cathone? Okay, but 312 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: it's the natural version of the cathanone, and so everything 313 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: else is a synthetic version, include eoting bath salts right 314 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: in that Hagagat which was big in the Middle East. 315 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: So there were different There are a lot of different versions. 316 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: It's not like, um, it's not like there was one 317 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: bath salt recipe, like I think that it was continually 318 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: sort of changed in all of these synthetic drugs, like 319 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: we mentioned that cycle are constantly being tweaked and changed 320 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: and are sort of different versions of the same thing. 321 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: But so bath salts came about because, like I said 322 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: in two thousand ten, mephodrone made a big splash on 323 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: the UK club scene, and methodrone is kind of like 324 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: it's like a an even more synthetic version of m 325 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: D m A. Right. It produces similar effects, but it's 326 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: a why can't I say it? Yeah, I don't know, kathanone, 327 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: Kathon Kathy, Okay, I got it. It's a right. It's 328 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: a type of miamio, right, whereas m D M A 329 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: is something else. Um. But methodrone what it does is 330 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: it forces a release of dopamine and the neurotransmitter and 331 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: that's that's your happy feeling. That's part of the reward center, 332 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: the pleasure center in the brain, and it forces that. Well, 333 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: everybody loved methodrone, and they said, well, if you love 334 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: methrodrone also known as miamial, you're gonna love methodrone. Mixed 335 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: with a couple of other drugs. Yeah, one called meth alone, 336 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: which is another kath cathinone, another type of it does 337 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: get a little confusing, uh. And And basically from what 338 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: I can tell, the reason that they say it's like 339 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: cocaine and ecstasy is because of the combination of the things, 340 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: Like one is like ecstasy and one is like so 341 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: two of them are like ecstasy. Methodrone and meth alone 342 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: are like ecstasy, where both of those things go in 343 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: and say, hey, neurons release a bunch of dopamine, so 344 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: you've got more than usual, which is right, And then 345 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: you've got m d p V. And I'm gonna try 346 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: saying this out loud because I've practiced a couple of times. 347 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: Let me see if I can. I didn't even highlight 348 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: that word. Are you ready for this? Sure? Okay, Chuck. 349 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: M d p V it looks like the alphabet. It's 350 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: so long methylene dioxy pyro valerone. Who I told you 351 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: I practice that was take one everyone, just so you 352 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: know that was not the magic of editing. And m 353 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: d p V is I'm not sure if it's a 354 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: cathine own or not, but what it does is it 355 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: stimulates the release of nora ephron. It also prevents its reuptake, 356 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: but it also prevents the reuptake of dopamine. So you 357 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: have two drugs that are forcing your neurons to release 358 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: more dopamine and another drug that's stimulating your fight or 359 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: flight response and is preventing that dopamine that's being released 360 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: from being taken up. So it's just floating in your brain. 361 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: It's like a perfect storm, right brain activity. I guess 362 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: if you're a drug user, the right kind of brain activity. Right. So, 363 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 1: and these are three different drugs that people liked on 364 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: their own that somebody mixed together, like like m D 365 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: p V is supposedly produces feelings akin to cocaine, but 366 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: like ten times the impact of it. I've seen in 367 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: multiple sources um and they mixed these three things together. 368 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: That's what bath salts are. Correct. And so in two 369 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: thousand and ten UH in the UK, poison control centers 370 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: yielded um or fielded rather thirty four and seventy bath 371 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: salt calls just from January to June, which is about 372 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: ten times the previous year's total. By twleven, midnight states 373 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: here in the United States had banned bath salts, and 374 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: then finally in October, the d e A basically can 375 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: can do this thing where they're like emergency, we don't. 376 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: We're aint gonna go through all the rigamarole. We're just 377 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: gonna say this stuff is federally banned. Yeah, wolf Blitzer 378 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: said it was dangerous, so we're gonna ban it. Yeah, 379 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: or actually that that didn't ban it. It was October. 380 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, July. That was a federal government right when 381 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: Obama signed a federal ban on a bunch of synthetic drugs. 382 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: Basalts make one of them. But like you said before, 383 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: that the d e A had the authority to be like, 384 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: this is outlawed. We're not even we're not going to 385 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: Congress the president, and we're outlawing it. And they did. Um. 386 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: So metho, drone, meth alone, and m DPV were all outlawed, 387 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: I think. And the head of the e A stood 388 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: in front of America and said, maa, maal, we just 389 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: we just gave out ma'amo the boot. Let's take another 390 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: break and then we'll come back and talk about all 391 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: the reasons why you should not try bass salts. Right 392 00:23:40,520 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: after that, so miamal um, what's that from super Troopers? 393 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: So people may have heard like, oh wow, ten times 394 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: greater than cocaine. I gotta try that. It's just like ecstasy, 395 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: but even more potent. I gotta try it. Don't try this, um, 396 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: and here all the reasons why you should not try it, right, So, yes, 397 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: it will produce feelings of euphoria. Um. Great, sensations in you. UM, 398 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: if you do a normal dose, you don't really know 399 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: what a normal dose is. One of the big problems 400 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: with this is that it was a designer drug, meaning 401 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: that it never never spent any time in a legitimate 402 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical lab. There was no research, There was no R 403 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: and D, there was no testing whether I'm like jailed 404 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: inmates against their will or not. Nobody studied this stuff. 405 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: They just did things like, um, go over patents and 406 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: medical literature to find compounds that sounded like, oh, I 407 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: can work with that. I'm a chemist. Let me adjust 408 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: that a little bit and then give something to my 409 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: neighbor who I don't really care if they live or die, 410 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: and then see what happens, and if they get off 411 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: on it, I'm going to flood the British club market 412 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: with it, right, That's what That's how these drugs come out, 413 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: So no one knows. No one who has any any 414 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: idea what they're talking about, knows what an actual dose 415 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: should be. And the problem with with bath salts in 416 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: particular and with cathinones is that if you trapes into 417 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: the overdose territory, which you very easily can, you're in big, 418 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: big trouble. Yeah this, Um, I think it was the 419 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: Forbes article you sent. You know, all of those awful 420 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: uh side effects that I mentioned and before we took 421 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: that break. Um, you can happen upon that rather accidentally. 422 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: And it's said that quite often a bass salt user 423 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: will get way more than they bargained for thereafter the 424 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: little little sexy drive and hey, I'm up and I'm 425 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: talkative and I'm feeling like I'm the king of the world. Yeah, 426 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: and watch me tear my shirt in half, right, and 427 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 1: before you know it, you're you're clawing skin off your 428 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: arm and a like a psychotic break, right, So that 429 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: can happen if you overdose. It apparently also can happen, 430 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: um if you're a chronic user too, and apparently mean 431 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: like Dr Dre's chronic or you mean just right, sometimes 432 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: the two overlap. Um. But if you are, if you 433 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: abuse the drug and you use it frequently, um, it 434 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: can have all sorts of terrible effects on your your 435 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: you're it will addict you. And the reason why apparently 436 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: you see this kind of thing like any time a 437 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: new drug comes out and it's addictive, they'll say that 438 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: it's X number of times more addictive than the most 439 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: addictive drug that came out last, Like you thought that 440 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: was bad, right, So bath salts are frequently say it's 441 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: to be like multiple times more addictive than math or whatever. 442 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: No one knows if that's true or not, but the 443 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: point is this, it is highly addictive, and anyone who 444 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: knows about how it hijacks your brain can tell you, Yes, 445 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: that's how drugs addict you. And a release of dopamine 446 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: that that um stays in your system, in your in 447 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: your synapses longer than normal, is going to create cravings. 448 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: You're going to become addicted to whatever substance does that 449 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: to you. So it's really easy to get addicted to 450 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: the cathinones that are found in bath salts. Right. And 451 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: because of the prolonged effects that these um, these chemicals 452 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: have on your brain, um, the hangover is really really bad, 453 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: and so you may want to use more to get 454 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: back up again and again. When you use across and 455 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: use it U to a chronic degree, you're setting yourself 456 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: up for those really horrible side effects you can have. 457 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: Yeah that even without an overdose. Yeah, that's the vicious 458 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: cycle of most of the feel good drugs like that is, Uh, 459 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: your body adjusting gets a little more used to it, 460 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: you do more to get that same feeling. You're chasing 461 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: that initial rush or whatever that you get and then 462 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: before you know it, you're in bad shape as a person. Yeah, 463 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: very sad. So that's not like Nancy Reagan talk like 464 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: that's yeah, this is it's it's going to have terrible 465 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: effects on you and it can be very addictive. This 466 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: is your Uncle Josh and Chuck being real. But as 467 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: we said before and Pepper throughout the show, despite that, UM, 468 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: that doesn't change the fact that the media far exaggerated 469 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: the um sometimes the effects of assaults. But what they 470 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: really did was exaggerated how much it was going on, 471 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: Like like at a certain point, I think they even 472 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: found that CNN was reporting this massive up tip when 473 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: in fact it was actually going down in usage. Yeah. 474 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure if it was the d e 475 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: A outlawing the ingredients and it made it harder to get, 476 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: or if the kids who are using it and apparently 477 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: it was largely a drug of the younger generation, um 478 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: just said this is whack, done with this and stopped 479 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: using it. But they clearly peaked in two thousand and eleven, 480 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,239 Speaker 1: and the usage was halved by two thousand twelve. Yes, 481 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: says here in two thousand eleven poison control calls. Uh, 482 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: and that should tell you how bad this thing is, right, 483 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: that's that's the proxy for use calls in twenty eleven 484 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: compared to fifty four and twelve. Um. And this is 485 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: while CNN and we're not picking on them, like a 486 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: bunch of news outlets were calling it an epidemic and 487 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: it never really was. It was always sort of a niche, 488 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: smallish time drug. Um. And one of the other things 489 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: though that they did was say like it will turn 490 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: you into this violent psychotic, will chew a face? So 491 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: um when the d A outlawed the constituent drugs of 492 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: bath salts, um, Yeah, yeah, I love that. Um. There 493 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: was actually supposedly there's a Chinese Walter White who was 494 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: sinless to life in prison, known only as Zang. But 495 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: he was a chemist who apparently traveled abroad to Europe 496 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: or somewhere overseas and found like there was a big 497 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: demand for mepha drone and uh he was like, oh, 498 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: I know how to make that. So he made like 499 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: four pounds of it and was selling it over the 500 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: internet via bitcoin before the Chinese caught him. Yeah, I 501 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: guess so, um and uh so guys like that, we're 502 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: guys like that who weren't arrested, I should say, went 503 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: back and said, okay, well let me alter this a 504 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: little bit. And now there's a second generation of bath 505 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: salts coming out that are again synthetic cathinones. Um there's 506 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: one called Alpha p VP, better known as Flacca. Oh 507 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: that is floca a k A. Yeah. When I saw that, 508 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, finally I know what waka flocka means. 509 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: And I looked it up. I'm like, Nope, spelled differently, 510 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with one another. It's still the 511 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: quest continues. But um, Flocca apparently, if you want to 512 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: see some whack stuff, look up people freaking out on 513 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: Flocca on YouTube. And there are plenty of like high 514 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: on bath salts videos on YouTube before Flaca seems like 515 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: it might actually be worse. Yeah, and one of these 516 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: friends saying, look at Timmy, I don't see we're going 517 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: to put this on YouTube. One I saw was this 518 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: lady I think in Miami who was in one of 519 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: the weirdest positions I've ever seen on the ground next 520 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: to a car, but was like had her her leg 521 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: up back against the car, was like screaming at somebody 522 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: to bring it on, even though she like couldn't move 523 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: on the ground, just under her own will, she couldn't move. Um. 524 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: And some guy, I guess he's just sitting there with 525 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: his phone like recording her. But you can't really blame 526 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: him because it's like in the middle sounds familiar. Yeah, 527 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: And somebody goes, are you on something? You think, yeah, 528 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: if it's just put like a perfect little period on that. 529 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: But if you if you see those videos and then 530 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: see like Batsalt videos, it seems like foka may even 531 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: be a little worse. Yeah. And I mean, we're we're 532 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: kind of laughing at this because that's we'd try to 533 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: lighten the mood about stuff. But obviously there's nothing funny 534 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: about someone under the ravages of a drug addiction. Um, 535 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: even if some some yokel films it on their phone 536 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: and throws it on YouTube for the world to laugh at. 537 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: It's very sad. Thank you for rescuing that story. I 538 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: just want to be clear, you know, it's it's super 539 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: sad um that these chemists, these chemists are the ones 540 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: doing the drugs for the most part, don't you think, Oh, 541 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: I guess probably not. You know, they're just creating something 542 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: in a lab to sell and make money off of 543 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: that destroys lives, you know. UM. Luckily, though, chuck with 544 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: flocca UM. The highest you get off of flocca is 545 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: by vaping it. Unfortunately, nobody vapes, so probably it's actually 546 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: supposedly falling to the wayside already. But that's another good 547 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: study on UM. On media hysteria as well, media started 548 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: to do the same thing. There was a kid in Florida, 549 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: Austin Haruf. Austin Haruf beat a couple to death. Didn't 550 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: know they He just happened to be walking past their 551 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: house and they think we're sitting in their garage. Such 552 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: a disturbing kid, and he walked up to him and 553 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: killed them. He chewed on one of their faces. He 554 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: was reported to be growling like an animal or whatever. 555 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: And the first thing everybod and he said was that 556 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: guy was on flocca. It was the sheriff on the scene, 557 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: like just like it always happens. So when stuck a 558 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 1: microphone in his face and he's like, looks like flocka 559 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 1: to me and then all of a sudden, Austin Haruf, 560 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: the nineteen year old Florida State pratt boy, Uh was 561 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: a flock of abuser who did this awful, awful thing. 562 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: But they found no flock in his system. No, he 563 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: did do that awful thing, and by all accounts it 564 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: was just a psychotic episode. Right again, he had not 565 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: been on flocca. The tox report showed no flocca in 566 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: his system, just like Rudy Eugene, just like that guy 567 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: on the bus in Canada. What what This is the 568 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: real question of the podcast. What happens to make somebody 569 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: do that? I don't know. I mean, these are the 570 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: cases where uh obviously, well, in Rudy Eugene's case, he died, 571 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: But there needs to be some way that there's an 572 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: automatic brain donation in cases like this, and so they 573 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: can study what the heck is going on. I guess 574 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: it's I guess you can kind of like let the 575 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: media off the hook a little bit, certainly let the 576 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 1: public off the hook, because you want to give explanation 577 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: to behavior like that. You don't want to think that 578 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: anybody could just be walking around and suddenly snap. You 579 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: want to think that they have to be on something 580 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: that overtakes their willpower, takes over their humanity and rids 581 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: them of it and turns them into a monster. Not 582 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: that we're all just taking time bombs. Yeah, I mean 583 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: when you when you read interviews, uh, like a year 584 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: later with that kid in Florida, like he said that 585 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: the demon was after him, and when you talk to 586 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,439 Speaker 1: him today, he's like, I feel you know, I think 587 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: he literally said this sucks, like this thing happened. I 588 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: don't know why it happened. I feel fine now, um 589 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: so can you guys let me go. That's not quite outworks. 590 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: But and I'm not saying, like, have sympathy for this kid, 591 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: it's it's a weird. Well, if he had a psychotic break, 592 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: that's a weird he had like no control over. I 593 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: feel a tremendous amount of sympathy for him. I certainly 594 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: feel it for his victims and their families. Think if 595 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: this kid just like like lost his marvels and got 596 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: violent and he had no control over really honestly, then yeah, 597 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, it's one of those things where there 598 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: there are many victims and a tragedy on many fronts. 599 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: But by all accounts in his case, it wasn't even 600 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: like he was abused as a child. And uh, I 601 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,280 Speaker 1: mean I think it literally, things happen sometimes with the brain, 602 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: and there's something physical that happens in the body, some 603 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: chemical something happens in the brain. We don't know what 604 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: it is, but that's the only explanation. So field of psychiatry, 605 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: stop sitting around congratulating yourselves and get to work figuring 606 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: out what happens. That's it on. And then lastly, um, 607 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: there's one more new bath salt out on the market 608 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: called four MBC. And this one is the only other 609 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: one that has a rival nickname to Miamo. It's called Shrimp. 610 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: You know, Emily sells bath salts in her store. I 611 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: remember this was like, okay, are those bath salts are right? 612 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: Bath salts? But she uh, I mean, it's not in 613 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,959 Speaker 1: the news so much anymore. But it would be funny 614 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 1: if she had to have a sign up said bat salts, 615 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,240 Speaker 1: not those bath salts. These are your mom's bath salts 616 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: instead of not your mother's bath salts. But if your 617 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: mom was on bath salts and they would be her 618 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: bath salts, it get confused. Yes, all right, well, if 619 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: you want to know more about bath salts, go read 620 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: about it. Don't go trying yourself. Okay. Uh. And since 621 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: we said that, it's time for listening mail, Alright, I'm 622 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: gonna call this a little one thousand episode congrats and 623 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 1: a little Simpsons part I love the Little Simpsons, Diddy. Hey, guys, 624 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: congratulations on a thousand episodes. Hope you now. I'm just 625 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: joined after you brought to all of us over that milestone. 626 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: As I tuned into The Simpsons Part two on Thursday, 627 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,919 Speaker 1: I was on a flight in the Salt Lake City 628 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: to interview for a position and program pursuing my doctorate 629 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: or physical therapy, and he would say, the whole day 630 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: had an anxious I was anxious and I'm not knowing 631 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: what to expect for my first interview, and I had 632 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: a long day of traveling. It put me on edge. 633 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: But man, the two partter on The Simpsons soothed my 634 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,919 Speaker 1: soul with med ease. Man, Comma, yeah, that's what I said. 635 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: My flight landed, got the rental card, d ode to 636 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: my hotel, starving, having missed dinner, had to settle for 637 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: some rama out of the venning machine. So that's delicious. 638 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: I sat down on the questionable Hotel comforter to eat 639 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: my dinner and watch some TV before grabbing some pillow. 640 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: Turned on the TV was almost creeped out to hear 641 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: the Simpsons theme song playing as a new episode was 642 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: beginning to play on whatever channel it just happened to 643 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: be on, which would be Fox, Destiny, Fate, chance, whatever 644 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: you call it. Joy instantly struck me and actually laughed 645 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: out loud to myself. The two part are really brought 646 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: back memories of childhood and trying to watch episodes of 647 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: The Simpsons sneakily without my parents knowing because my mom 648 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: thought it was the worst thing possible for my young 649 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: eyes and ears. It's quite comical to me that here 650 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: I was on the eve of what could be a 651 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: huge turning point for my career, and what is getting 652 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: me through the self doubt, anxiety and uncertainty was a 653 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: podcast by chance in an episode of the Simpsons. 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