Speaker 1: I'm thet Duvall and this is Conversations with the podcast.
Speaker 1: Today's guest is the owner and operator of Turkey on
Speaker 1: the Loose right here in Georgia. Let's welcome Nikki Sutton.
Speaker 1: Let me know where who you are and where you're from.
Speaker 2: I'm Nikki Sutton from Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 3: I'm Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 2: Fourth for what part h fourth for great you're from
Speaker 2: Greater home grader homes.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, how old are you? Might? What you mind
Speaker 3: me ask you all day?
Speaker 1: I'm forty two, so you're around my age. I'm forty six. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know so so I know you could talk. I
Speaker 1: know you ain't no soft soft as motherfucker, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So so tell me about your upbringing
Speaker 1: or whatever, like when you got to established in your
Speaker 1: life or who who you when you became Nikki the
Speaker 1: person who you are.
Speaker 2: I came from a really good background. It's just the
Speaker 2: things that I chose to do in life to get
Speaker 2: off the path. I was in the street, I was
Speaker 2: hanging out, I did my thing, scamming pretty much, so.
Speaker 3: He was one of them trapped queens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3: I really was.
Speaker 2: And I took your credit card and I went crazy
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this before.
Speaker 1: I don't know if people know you what. They probably
Speaker 1: don't because I'm learning you too. Was you gay at
Speaker 1: this time or since I was fourteen? Okay? Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So you always been who you are? Okay always okay?
Speaker 2: And I just you know, been in there all my
Speaker 2: life and just how he had been trying to get it?
Speaker 1: Since how did you evolve from from the illegal ship
Speaker 1: to the to the real ship.
Speaker 2: It took me getting shot to realize that wasn't the
Speaker 2: life I wanted.
Speaker 3: So getting shot came from doing the street ship or.
Speaker 2: Just getting shot just came from carmel. Basically, That's what
Speaker 2: I think it was. I think it was karma.
Speaker 3: So you believe in come absolutely really believing. I do.
Speaker 3: I do too, I really believe in So what what?
Speaker 3: So give me a little tell me a little more about.
Speaker 1: Because you was you deep off in the streets, like
Speaker 1: really deep, or you were just doing your thing.
Speaker 2: D you called me for everything anything you needed, I
Speaker 2: had it, or I can get it, I.
Speaker 3: Can touch it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the niggas know not the fuck with you too,
Speaker 1: though they did? Okay, they did, and that I was.
Speaker 2: Always solid, So I did never have those problems.
Speaker 3: Right right, right right then.
Speaker 1: That's why they never fucked with you in the streets.
Speaker 1: But karma, that's why you say karma came another way around?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that's what's up. I mean, I understand the
Speaker 1: life is, that's what evolves. And what in that moment
Speaker 1: made you change your life? Because a lot of people
Speaker 1: get shot and that don't that make them too? Park
Speaker 1: around as motherfucker?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. But what made you say?
Speaker 3: You know what, I gotta do something else?
Speaker 2: I just said, Lord, have you let me live through this?
Speaker 2: I'm done? And it was just pretty much.
Speaker 3: And when did you get shot at?
Speaker 2: I got shot on Columbia Drive.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Where my stomach? Your stomach, stomach and my stomach twice?
Speaker 3: How was the healing process?
Speaker 1: Healing went will? He and will was two month? Healing
Speaker 1: process two months? Oh shit, my healing shit was twelve months?
Speaker 3: Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But I didn't get shot. I got hit by a
Speaker 1: car for real. But all healing is healing, especially traumatic
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Do you think it fuckued you psychologically?
Speaker 1: Some days I do even to this day. How long
Speaker 1: ago was that?
Speaker 3: Twenty sixteen, twenty sixteen, that wasn't that long.
Speaker 1: I guess when you look at the big scheme things,
Speaker 1: especially at I age, that really right? Yeah, so what
Speaker 1: did you think? But did that motivate you the you
Speaker 1: say it motivated you to.
Speaker 2: To do something different. I just need to do something different.
Speaker 3: And so what jumped you into the turkey business? The
Speaker 3: turkey turkey leg what is it?
Speaker 2: Turkey on the loose leg restaurant?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It was my night to cook for my wife and
Speaker 2: I and bought. I bought the wrong thing and in
Speaker 2: the cab forms market talking on the phone and not
Speaker 2: really paying attention. So I walk up to the lady.
Speaker 2: I'm like, let me have all of them. She said,
Speaker 2: you want all of these? I'm like yeah, she gave
Speaker 2: it to. When I get to the register, it was
Speaker 2: like four hundred and fifty six dollars. I'm like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck I bought? And of course, you know you
Speaker 2: can't turn around, so I paid for it. I get
Speaker 2: in the car, call my mom my wife. I'm like, y'all,
Speaker 2: I just bought some turkey legs and I can't take
Speaker 2: them back. I don't even know what to do. My
Speaker 2: mom said, well, just bring them. I ain't never cooked
Speaker 2: on turkey legs, Nikki, Let's play with them. So I
Speaker 2: played with them for what two weeks. I thought I
Speaker 2: was barbecue and I didn't know it was smoking. I know,
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was a difference between barbecue and
Speaker 2: the smoking. And I did it for two weeks down
Speaker 2: to my last day, the fourteenth day actually of the
Speaker 2: two weeks. They was right falling off the bone, and
Speaker 2: I started giving I said, I got to hit y'all.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So I started giving them away,
Speaker 2: and then they started calling me for him, like shit,
Speaker 2: I want that lemon pepper, bring just heat. Just people
Speaker 2: running like all my friends, like everybody.
Speaker 3: I knew.
Speaker 2: I was just passing them out, give them to them.
Speaker 2: They started calling me for him, like oh shit. So
Speaker 2: I just keep by them, keep buying them. We playing
Speaker 2: with them, trying to come up with different flavors and
Speaker 2: the names as we was doing it. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I just started giving them away, and then eventually, like
Speaker 2: my third round, I started selling for ten dollars this warning,
Speaker 2: some more and some more. Now we want pans. I'm
Speaker 2: like oh shit, smoking take you know, hours. It's not
Speaker 2: like you can put them on there and they coming
Speaker 2: off from like forty five minutes to out.
Speaker 3: Nah, It's like this was all by yourself, all.
Speaker 2: By myself, my wife and I know, my wife, my
Speaker 2: mom and myself, and it was just a process.
Speaker 1: How long did that process happen? When you start? Like
Speaker 1: how fast was it from all right? I just put
Speaker 1: these heids like boom, oh shit, I start giving away
Speaker 1: for like thirty days.
Speaker 2: It was raining. One day I was on Highway eighty
Speaker 2: five pouring down rain and a bustle. You turned in
Speaker 2: the middle of street. I saw a building and said,
Speaker 2: for rent. Shit, I'm about to call them. I called
Speaker 2: the lady kept saying I need to see who you are.
Speaker 2: I need to see them, Like, shit, I got the money.
Speaker 2: You don't need to see who I am.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So when I got there and I met him, and shit,
Speaker 2: she was like, I'm gonna trust you. I'm gonna let
Speaker 2: you rent this property. She was like, because I see
Speaker 2: that you have a past and here I am today.
Speaker 1: They said another thing. You didn't burn that bridge, neither
Speaker 1: you did what you supposed to do. A lot of
Speaker 1: people get something like that then and they say I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you a chance, and they and they fuck
Speaker 1: it up, you know what I'm saying. But you didn't.
Speaker 1: And that's what people got to understand too. It's a
Speaker 1: little simple shit like that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Little simple shit like that, Like everybody can work hard
Speaker 1: and have a business, because I'm pretty sure you ain't
Speaker 1: the first person that have to think like that. But
Speaker 1: the difference is it's how you moved. Let me get
Speaker 1: that lighted too. It's how you move. It's how you
Speaker 1: handled it and how you had a quality and hustle
Speaker 1: and you and.
Speaker 3: You was professional with it.
Speaker 1: When I say professional, it's like somebody gave you a chance,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And that's all somebody needs.
Speaker 1: Like I try to give people chances all the time,
Speaker 1: and sometimes they fuck it up, and I hope they
Speaker 1: fucking up all I have to do it no more
Speaker 1: for their ad you know what I'm saying. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, I try to give them the chance
Speaker 1: because that's what we be needing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But from that, so what happened after that where you rent.
Speaker 2: The building from a like six months, paid rent on
Speaker 2: time every month. She came to me one day and said, well,
Speaker 2: Dad and I want to sell the property.
Speaker 3: I'm like, shit, I.
Speaker 2: Just been up six months. I ain't even got the rope,
Speaker 2: so I don't even know what I'm doing yet. And
Speaker 2: she was like, well, we'll come back in a couple
Speaker 2: of months and talk back to you. I'm riding one
Speaker 2: day again, because anytime I'm riding, that's my therapy come
Speaker 2: from just you know, driving. I called, I said, miss Normal,
Speaker 2: you know, I think I'm ready to talk numbers. She came,
Speaker 2: She came with the number. I was like, shit, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get back at you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And I never called her back because a million dollars
Speaker 2: just wasn't on my table at the time for that,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Not for a restaurant. I
Speaker 2: didn't and I didn't really know the game of it,
Speaker 2: how to do what. So she ended up calling me
Speaker 2: back and said we're gonna I need you to meet
Speaker 2: me so we can have a sit down. I'm in
Speaker 2: the met with her. We talked, came over with the numbers.
Speaker 2: She said, give me fifty thousand and the rest of
Speaker 2: it on me, and I'm like, I told my wife,
Speaker 2: I said, this shit can't be true. I'm like, this
Speaker 2: shit can't be true.
Speaker 3: That's God.
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, I see you. Lets
Speaker 2: I say today Sunday. I was like, I see you Monday.
Speaker 2: Monday morning, I called her like I'm ready, took it
Speaker 2: to her. And here I am today, almost three years later,
Speaker 2: and I owned the whole little block right there. I
Speaker 2: bought the whole estates, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 2: you know it's been going.
Speaker 1: For me, it's been going for you. That's dope, man,
Speaker 1: Because people get caught up.
Speaker 3: In damn they made twenty million. I need to do that.
Speaker 2: Everybody do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it ain't that.
Speaker 1: It's the goddamn your hustle or dry because they could
Speaker 1: take they could take that. They ain't got to want
Speaker 1: to do turkeys. They could do something else, you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's why I don't like to
Speaker 1: say too much about numbers too. I mean, numbers is cool,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, what you did your hustle
Speaker 1: and being at the right place at the right time,
Speaker 1: and just being a good person in general.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It worked in your and
Speaker 3: God gave you that chance.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: believe it God or whatever whatever it is. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is what it is. But it helped you.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You didn't And like with me and Clay, Me and
Speaker 1: Snake were just talking about how how a lot of
Speaker 1: people they got that bag and fucked it up, fumbled
Speaker 1: it trying to get the wrong things, and a lot
Speaker 1: of peop people try to do the right things, but
Speaker 1: they just it's a mindset thing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But all right, let me finish ask you this. Now
Speaker 3: that you establish, how do you find peace? Or have
Speaker 3: you found that yet?
Speaker 1: That's why I come in and try to help you
Speaker 1: on that part, like how do you find like have
Speaker 1: you found that yet?
Speaker 2: I found my peace? But I feel like it's going
Speaker 2: so fast right now. It's like I still don't know
Speaker 2: what's going on. I know what's going on, just run
Speaker 2: the daily operation. But it's now people. Let me get
Speaker 2: a franchise, Can I hear that? I want to take
Speaker 2: it too, Tickets, I want to take Detroit. I want
Speaker 2: to take it. I'm like you gotta come to it.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Riverdale, if you want this, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's pretty much like where I am. It's just it's
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: That's why I asked you. That's the business part of it.
Speaker 1: But what about when you do you detox from that?
Speaker 2: Every now and when you know when it's time for
Speaker 2: me to be off, I'm off?
Speaker 3: What do you do? What do you do for detox?
Speaker 3: Chill with you, bitches? What you do?
Speaker 2: I'm a traveler, like trouble where you being. I've been
Speaker 2: in Japan, I've been to Costa Rica.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, type ship what you like the most?
Speaker 3: I'm a traveler to I've been up damn there everywhere.
Speaker 2: But I really like Japan.
Speaker 3: Japan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the technology is insane.
Speaker 3: I tell you, I don't like this special than a
Speaker 3: motherfucker over there. Man.
Speaker 1: But and then, I'm not a city person. I'm not
Speaker 1: a city person. I don't like like city places like that.
Speaker 1: Every place I like, I like it to look like
Speaker 1: when I look at it, like, damn, it looked like
Speaker 1: this's centuries ago.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I like places like Asia, Asia, like I like the
Speaker 1: I like the water parts, like places where water. I'm
Speaker 1: a watery type nigga, Like I live in Bahamas, so
Speaker 1: I'm a watery nigga.
Speaker 3: I like ship like that.
Speaker 1: And that's where I go to detox from the world.
Speaker 1: And like it's a song in Bahama stopped the world
Speaker 1: and let me off. That's why I go let off
Speaker 1: right there and chill and and and I think everybody
Speaker 1: should have that. It don't have to be like enxotic,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It just got to be
Speaker 1: a place to where you can gather your thoughts, especially
Speaker 1: like now where you at in your life and your
Speaker 1: career and your business. You got a lot of shit
Speaker 1: going on, and it's hard to think while you're in motion.
Speaker 1: But you gotta step aside and say, shit, I'm a
Speaker 1: chill me time, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: that'll get your mind back to that in there, give
Speaker 1: you ten times more hustle, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's that's that's my only only thing I can
Speaker 1: say that. I just but it sounds like you're doing
Speaker 1: it though, because you say you got your own detok
Speaker 1: ship where you chill out and vibe out.
Speaker 3: I have to. I have to. So what you do
Speaker 3: for fun, what you do for fuck?
Speaker 2: Smoke smoke smoking that good?
Speaker 3: I read a lot you do.
Speaker 2: I'm a reader.
Speaker 3: Hang really, I'm a visual person. I've always been like
Speaker 3: I like movies a lot.
Speaker 1: I like movies. I got in the legos lately of
Speaker 1: been that, but that's because I'm old. Yeah, the older
Speaker 1: you get right, it makes you, It makes you use
Speaker 1: your brain a lot more. And especially that's a social
Speaker 1: media we get distracted so much. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: gotta gone, ain't but it is what it is. So
Speaker 1: you got to do shit to help that muscle. So
Speaker 1: that's what I do.
Speaker 3: But other than that shit, I just be vibing too. Money.
Speaker 3: That's what's up ing.
Speaker 1: So tell me about how you feel about the gay community,
Speaker 1: how its evolved. Because I used to do a podcast
Speaker 1: with my sister. It was called out here with and
Speaker 1: that was my way of showing like we can be
Speaker 1: two different type of people, like you can have your way,
Speaker 1: I can have my way, and we don't have to agree,
Speaker 1: but we can still love each other. And that was
Speaker 1: my way of showing that through that ship. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but I want to ask you, what
Speaker 1: do you how do you feel about how because if
Speaker 1: you around my age, then you've seen it evolve to
Speaker 1: what it is now.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, yeah, they very disrespectful. I think they disrespect
Speaker 2: We'll call it a culture. Yeah, you'll own the group
Speaker 2: whatever you want to make.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's evolved into everything else.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like how blacks and want to tell
Speaker 1: me was all one and we started separating and this
Speaker 1: that I think that's what happened with Gaze now is
Speaker 1: everybody separating to their own what they wanted to be.
Speaker 1: And like sometime my sister used to tell me all
Speaker 1: that she don't like how it is now because it's
Speaker 1: like it's it's the cool thing, the proper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a trend to them now. See when
Speaker 2: I was growing up and when I told my family
Speaker 2: I was gay, I was a lesbian, they was like, oh,
Speaker 2: nobody wanted to talk to me.
Speaker 3: They was like, I was the first person. My sister
Speaker 3: told you what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: My aunt was my first person, and I was because
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell nobody else I was.
Speaker 3: I went to her with and I was the only
Speaker 3: one that went to her wedding. Wow.
Speaker 1: And this was before weddings was legal. This was like
Speaker 1: early two thousands or some shit, and it was just like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, they just left me out. And I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, they gonna need me, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. You know, the smaller you're thinking is, you know,
Speaker 2: they gonna need me. And I just got on the ground.
Speaker 2: I just just been grinding ever since and just living
Speaker 2: my life. And then eventually they start coming around.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, you think the world came around, They
Speaker 1: came around around. You think they came around because the
Speaker 1: world came around. They came around because of you, the
Speaker 1: love of you.
Speaker 2: I think they was more so just nikka, just don't
Speaker 2: give a damn. So just take it to leave it.
Speaker 2: You know. The ones that's gonna deal, it's gonna deal.
Speaker 2: The ones that's not, it's not. But now all of
Speaker 2: them deal. Yeah yeah yeah, So I mean I didn't
Speaker 2: force it on them, but this is me. You know,
Speaker 2: I want to live my troops. So I didn't feel
Speaker 2: like I should have to hide it.
Speaker 3: But today, what made you find it so young? Back then?
Speaker 1: Because back then it wasn't cool to come out at fourteen.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it wasn't fourteen. I just knew I didn't
Speaker 1: like guys. I dated this one guy, and I just
Speaker 1: I have the way he felt was so hard. It
Speaker 1: was too hard, you know.
Speaker 2: It was just I don't know, it was just I
Speaker 2: don't know. It just wasn't for me. You know how
Speaker 2: you just know something just not for you. It just
Speaker 2: wasn't for me. My old lady gay as fuck. She
Speaker 2: gave her motherfucker, but she like, she like pussy, but
Speaker 2: she don't like women, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, it's so funny. I tell people this
Speaker 1: all the time. If you ever want if women, if
Speaker 1: you want to know how crazy you are they the woman.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm so cool with bull Daggers gay because
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, but I mean, but that's Upper Florida,
Speaker 1: old nigga. But but that's who we like because y'all
Speaker 1: understand us, like y'all don't take ship personally like that
Speaker 1: they're you know, like when I talk to the Gazer's
Speaker 1: like I have to talk to them like I talk
Speaker 1: to pregnant women. You know what I'm saying, Like like
Speaker 1: you have to be sensitive with them, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm not saying the bad way. Just like
Speaker 1: like with women, I have to understand that I can't
Speaker 1: just talk to them like a nigga and the barber shop.
Speaker 1: So I have to understand that about gays. But with
Speaker 1: with with gay women, we talked ship all day long,
Speaker 1: all long, you know what I'm saying. It's like they
Speaker 1: don't take ship the hard because they understand y'all know.
Speaker 2: Who you are. You got to know who you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you and it's the mindset of a nigga.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It is the mindset of a nigga. But you still
Speaker 2: gotta know you are. I know, I'm a woman. At
Speaker 2: the end of the day, you got some see you.
Speaker 1: You're the old school. But they now don't want to
Speaker 1: say that. They don't want to say they are woman.
Speaker 2: No they don't. They don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like like I don't get and not cool with that.
Speaker 1: But while they get mad if you don't cool with that,
Speaker 1: I don't get that, like that.
Speaker 2: Part of the tree they don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's young gays because older gays
Speaker 1: they be more reserved and chill, like because when you're young.
Speaker 3: You're popular. You want to be cool and want to
Speaker 3: be accepted.
Speaker 1: When you get older, you don't give a fuck, Like
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck who don't care or who
Speaker 1: don't know I'm gay or who? You know what I'm saying. Right,
Speaker 1: So I get it, and I get the young you
Speaker 1: want to be rebellious, and that's just just everybody, not
Speaker 1: even just gaye just young people. You want to be
Speaker 1: voisterous and rebellious, you know what I'm saying. Just gaze
Speaker 1: users use the sexual part of it, but we all
Speaker 1: do it. When you're young, you loud, You.
Speaker 3: Want to be seen, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing, you know, But when you get older,
Speaker 1: you realize everybody ain't against you.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Everybody ain't ain't.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just like I always say that you say
Speaker 1: this on stage. It's like it's like like because they say,
Speaker 1: like buffuers got mad because they went viral because I
Speaker 1: said when the p Valley thing the muff was sucking that,
Speaker 1: like I didn't want to see that, and they got
Speaker 1: mad because I was like, how y'all mad?
Speaker 3: Because I don't want to see your motherfucker sucking dick.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like I was like, it's
Speaker 1: just like my It's like, I know my mama sucked
Speaker 1: dick before, but I don't want to see my mama
Speaker 1: sucked dick it all at all. So it's the same shit.
Speaker 1: It's nothing that I'm not homophobic. I just don't want
Speaker 1: to see that ship you do your thing. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see it. It just caught me off guard.
Speaker 1: So but they took it personal, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's just be understanding. It's like, it's not it's
Speaker 1: just be shocking. It's just like me if I sell y'all.
Speaker 1: Like when I started back in the day, I used
Speaker 1: to talk about threesooms and all this air shocking to people.
Speaker 1: I can't be mad as they shot because it's not
Speaker 1: it's new to them. It's up to me to make
Speaker 1: them understand it.
Speaker 3: Now. It's nothing now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But it's it's I can't be mad because they didn't know,
Speaker 1: so I introduced it to it. They're not gonna get it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's up to us show them.
Speaker 1: It's like you can't make another cut race understand you
Speaker 1: by fighting them. You gotta show them you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, You gotta befriendom let him see. Like nigga,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. If you're trying to win it,
Speaker 1: if you don't give a fuck, fuck it, you know.
Speaker 1: But some people have a bigger agenda, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So being who you are and me just send back
Speaker 2: watching you. I guess my question now is that I'm
Speaker 2: getting to meet you. How do you maintain it? The
Speaker 2: sanity part of it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you at peace like program.
Speaker 1: I had to program myself every day I did something
Speaker 1: that I felt brought me peace towards where I wanted
Speaker 1: to be. It's like, if you you from the street.
Speaker 1: So if you're in the street mindset, you're gonna always
Speaker 1: be in the street mindset. But in order to get
Speaker 1: out that street mindset, you gotta every day say all right,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta be intentional with not doing it.
Speaker 1: And that's what I did every day years ago, decades ago.
Speaker 1: I always like I'm from the streets, but I never
Speaker 1: really wanted to be from the streets. So I always
Speaker 1: tried to try to be better from being out the
Speaker 1: streets because I knew always had it in me that
Speaker 1: I was in the streets to show people to get
Speaker 1: out of it. So that's my way of doing it.
Speaker 1: It's just like a right. If I want to be
Speaker 1: out and show them the world and show them that
Speaker 1: it's bigger than this, I have to be the change
Speaker 1: that I want to see. So I always stayed ahead
Speaker 1: of the game, and I've always had a mindset to
Speaker 1: look forward, you know, to be a forward thinker. So
Speaker 1: that's what keep me at and what keep me at
Speaker 1: peace is shit. Just have an understanding. Like I told
Speaker 1: you earlier that when we was talking, I break off
Speaker 1: from the world and just watch the world instead of
Speaker 1: being in the world. I break off from the world
Speaker 1: and watch it. You know what I'm saying. So that's
Speaker 1: all I do. But I have to you have to
Speaker 1: be intentional with doing it. It's like we always said,
Speaker 1: like even in comforts, like really we just programmed and
Speaker 1: saying what we supposed to say. But you have to
Speaker 1: the way you programmed and what you're doing. You have
Speaker 1: to reprogram yourself to do something, even in something simple.
Speaker 1: It don't have to be nothing major. You don't have
Speaker 1: to travel the world. You could just be like, all right,
Speaker 1: I want to go and you say you like reading,
Speaker 1: I'm going and read it and read a book that
Speaker 1: could be your outlet. You see what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: be chilling, you know what I'm saying. And when you
Speaker 1: get back into it, you be looking at it like
Speaker 1: you say, you travel, like how many times you done?
Speaker 3: Like when you went to Japan, Japan.
Speaker 1: When you go to Japan, you realize nothing that we
Speaker 1: talk about over here in Atholis, and then you get
Speaker 1: back over and then when you get back over here
Speaker 1: you hear what people talking about.
Speaker 3: You'd be like the fuck fuck. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you realize and traveling and well, really what really
Speaker 1: opened my eyes with life was scuba diving. When I
Speaker 1: went to schoola diving, I realized how much I didn't know,
Speaker 1: and I was I've always been that person that be
Speaker 1: in the clubs and if everybody know the song and
Speaker 1: I don't, I be mad.
Speaker 2: Too mad, I'm busy.
Speaker 1: But see the same thing when I went under water
Speaker 1: and I realized, like all this life under here, it's
Speaker 1: like I don't know ship. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So it's like if all this ship going on, I've
Speaker 1: been up here in this little box of the world
Speaker 1: you realize and when you travel, you realize it's so
Speaker 1: much shit going on that, don't you You realize how yourrelevant?
Speaker 1: You mo, You're just irrelevant? Just leave, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying to other people. So it makes you understand
Speaker 1: where your place is in life, and it makes you
Speaker 1: navigate through life a lot better, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's what it did for me. Put things in perspective
Speaker 1: as far as where I'm at in the world and
Speaker 1: where I'm at who I am mentally, and so I
Speaker 1: can adjust myself and I look at the world like
Speaker 1: like god, damn. You know how you're on the plane
Speaker 1: and you can see this, you can see shit better.
Speaker 1: That's how That's how I look at word. I can
Speaker 1: see shit better, so I can navigate through shit. You
Speaker 1: I can say, nah, I don't go that way because
Speaker 1: I see what's going on for I'm gonna go this
Speaker 1: guy damn with It makes it a.
Speaker 3: Lot easier birds I view type ship? What else? What? What?
Speaker 3: What did you start when you start locking your locking
Speaker 3: your dread?
Speaker 2: I started with like twenty No, I started over three times.
Speaker 2: So this is my third set right here.
Speaker 3: Yo, you cut them off while you keep cutting them
Speaker 3: off this twelve your run on these?
Speaker 1: Why you keep cutting them? Why did you cut them?
Speaker 2: My hair it holds some I wouldn't cut him again now,
Speaker 2: but now it's strength. Yeah, it's I lean on these,
Speaker 2: like my everything is in this. So it's just real
Speaker 2: personal to me. So every time I start over, it
Speaker 2: was like on something. Everything was just toxic, toxic in
Speaker 2: my body at the time. I don't I don't feel
Speaker 2: like doing this. I don't want to do this. I
Speaker 2: need to do you know. It was just your hair
Speaker 2: holds a lot of weight on you, you know it does.
Speaker 1: My ship was heavy that she was giving me headaches. Yes,
Speaker 1: my ship was thick, my head thick. So I had
Speaker 1: to cut my shirt off. My she was she was
Speaker 1: a motherfucker.
Speaker 3: But all of them. This is the best set. That's
Speaker 3: the best set because it's still on you shut up.
Speaker 3: It's a bit set. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about your love life. What's going on
Speaker 1: in your love life, how you doing and the love life.
Speaker 2: I'm doing good in my love life.
Speaker 1: You got family, you got JITs, you got it, family, kids,
Speaker 1: So a lot of that, a lot of that, take
Speaker 1: a lot of JITs.
Speaker 2: No, seriously, I have a wife we've been married for
Speaker 2: sixteen years.
Speaker 3: So you was married even before they made it paperwork.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went to California and got married, so been together.
Speaker 2: She has a seven year old. Well when I met her,
Speaker 2: she her daughter was seven. She's all twenty four now
Speaker 2: twenty three now, yeah, raised one and she's in college. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thank god. So you know she's just like me. She
Speaker 2: she took after me. She she wanted to do everything
Speaker 2: I wanted to do. I wanted to go to college.
Speaker 2: I never went.
Speaker 3: So she just followed.
Speaker 1: You break all the stereotypes that they say with with
Speaker 1: gay's raising kids.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: She didn't have no problems growing up in school, not
Speaker 2: at all. She didn't get picked on. She wanted the
Speaker 2: one that had to sit in the back of the
Speaker 2: class type sh a. You know, so.
Speaker 1: I got two mamash. Is she having the male figures
Speaker 1: in her life?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Actually she had with three brothers. She has three brothers
Speaker 2: from a dad side.
Speaker 3: She got some brothers, so she's good. Yeah.
Speaker 4: They all gay too, for real, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So it's like, yeah, but they're still guys. You think,
Speaker 4: you think, you you think a lot of is it
Speaker 4: more born? Because I believe people can be born gay
Speaker 4: is believing that ship.
Speaker 3: You don't believe you be born gay? You know, I
Speaker 3: don't think so you think so.
Speaker 2: I just it's it's what you want to do. It
Speaker 2: ain't because you gotta.
Speaker 3: Like it.
Speaker 1: But when you said, you said when you first day,
Speaker 1: the nigga is like this nigga to.
Speaker 3: To too hard. Yeah, so maybe you just was attracted
Speaker 3: to women.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you want to say that. But I don't
Speaker 2: just think you're just born gay. I don't think you was.
Speaker 2: I don't think that.
Speaker 3: But so you think you it's a choice. It's a choice.
Speaker 3: You know. It's so funny. Most gays say they born
Speaker 3: get you.
Speaker 1: One of the first ones I heard to say, now
Speaker 1: you it's a choice.
Speaker 3: You think it's a choice if you don't try.
Speaker 2: But one time.
Speaker 1: Is I think all women gay me too. I think
Speaker 1: all of them curious. They want to know what's going on.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been telling niggas all the times, I
Speaker 1: ain't worry about your niggas, don't about the don't worry
Speaker 1: about the gay girls, because they the one can take
Speaker 1: my bitch. It's the niggas. Yeah, ain't shit, I ain't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish you would. But the girls, I can't compete
Speaker 1: because y'all know them. Y'all know them. I heard how
Speaker 1: she said. I heard how she said it because you
Speaker 1: got to be into them. You have to if you
Speaker 1: dated somebody, but the old I get. I know them how,
Speaker 1: y'all because I learned from ya. I learned from it.
Speaker 1: I tell you all the time. Like I didn't want
Speaker 1: to say bull day, but like I learned from bull days.
Speaker 1: He told me how he pussing all this shit.
Speaker 3: Stay woke. You know what I'm saying. I learned.
Speaker 1: I know I peep. I learned if you can't beat them,
Speaker 1: joining them. So I was like, I ain't finna God
Speaker 1: damn fighters, they gonna teach me gay. But y'all, y
Speaker 1: I don't be worried about them niggas, but the girls,
Speaker 1: the other ones you gotta watch out for. So you
Speaker 1: you been with your.
Speaker 3: Girl for how long?
Speaker 2: Sixteen years?
Speaker 3: What you think the key to keeping at that loan? Loid?
Speaker 2: To communication?
Speaker 3: Communication? Community? How you keep it fun.
Speaker 2: Anyway? Ah? Okay? I mean, like I told you before,
Speaker 2: travel is my thing. We just we travel, travel, we communicate.
Speaker 2: We at date night. I still try to data. I'm saying,
Speaker 2: you know, even all the years, I still get to
Speaker 2: know it every day today she don't like this tomorrow
Speaker 2: you do?
Speaker 1: You know, give me some advice because I told you
Speaker 1: my old lady gay. Give me some advice that you
Speaker 1: think that I that can help me that I I
Speaker 1: don't know about.
Speaker 2: If you got it, I would definitely be interested in
Speaker 2: what she's interested in. Show some interest.
Speaker 1: She interested in me, though, But what is it about you?
Speaker 1: They just she like to cook, so I try to
Speaker 1: like I'm and that's the thing I don't. I'm not
Speaker 1: an eater like that. So but I whatever she want
Speaker 1: to cook, I love to cook and ship.
Speaker 3: Like she's a foodie. She is, but she ain't.
Speaker 1: She just like to cook like I think she likes
Speaker 1: to serve, if you know what I'm saying. So so
Speaker 1: what you think? And she like a real nigga though
Speaker 1: she done got shot before too, like I got a
Speaker 1: real submissive. She's submissive, but she ain't submissive like she
Speaker 1: she like a tough cookie like a motherfucker. But you
Speaker 1: know how animal is like like everybody can't train a lion,
Speaker 1: but the one that can, they bow down. That's what
Speaker 1: she is. If you give what I'm saying, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, what you think about them? You
Speaker 1: gotta give me advice.
Speaker 2: Man, you that one. I mean, she already doing what
Speaker 2: you like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I want to keep it like that. Let's
Speaker 3: try to cook. That's good. Yeah, that's They ride with me.
Speaker 3: I sit in the car.
Speaker 2: Nah, you can't sit in the car. They ride with
Speaker 2: me right quick? You do the driving drive.
Speaker 3: I do all that. But I'm saying when we get there,
Speaker 3: I don't like to go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, you're gonna have your No, you need you gotta
Speaker 2: do that. You gotta go in.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: That's what they want to do.
Speaker 3: This stuff with me. We girl.
Speaker 2: You know he puts the car up. You know it's
Speaker 2: that's that's time. That's romantic. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 2: is it's deeper than that.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: I try to do ship like that. I do simple stuff.
Speaker 1: I do simple stuff like whatever, whatever, I see what
Speaker 1: she needs. But sometimes it's hard because when you're in
Speaker 1: a situation where I'm pretty sure you're gonna take care
Speaker 1: a lot of motherfuckers too, But once you take care
Speaker 1: of them, it's hard for them to be because now
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, be happy.
Speaker 3: And that's where they get. I said, you just you
Speaker 3: took a drink for that one ship.
Speaker 1: So it's like that's when you gotta find say, all right,
Speaker 1: how can I keep her occupy not just keep an
Speaker 1: occupyed away from because I like her to be with me,
Speaker 1: but I like her to have her.
Speaker 3: Own happiness outside of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when she's with you, you got to give
Speaker 2: her that happiness.
Speaker 3: I do, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I want to do something, but I want to
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I want her to find happiness with what
Speaker 1: she want to do.
Speaker 3: You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: She want to cook. You just told me she want
Speaker 2: to cook. She want to cater to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, I'm gonna do that. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you. I appreciate you. Man.
Speaker 1: Keep doing your ship. Tell them tell them where to come.
Speaker 1: Pull up on you to come get some of that
Speaker 1: turkey that smokes that smoked turkey.
Speaker 2: For nine to six Highway eighty five, Riverdale, Georgia.
Speaker 3: Come on, best turkey legs around, come on talk talk
Speaker 3: talk talk.
Speaker 2: He called, like, hey, that rice with the with the
Speaker 2: turkey crumbles in it. The nigga said crumbles. Since come on, listen,
Speaker 2: Like I told you, you know what I mean. I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, send them babies. He somebody the pork and beans.
Speaker 2: I said, no, it's Turkey based. Everything in here Turkey,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because he Musslim. Alrighty, no turkey on the loose.
Speaker 3: Goddam you need to leave that alone.
Speaker 1: Me.
Speaker 3: But I love you man. We got this bitch.
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