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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, what's up. I'm excited to have this opportunity

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Speaker 2: to welcome you to my Next Chapter podcast. It is

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Speaker 2: a very special guest for you today. He goes by

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Speaker 2: wallow to sixty seven. Now to sixty seven was his

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Speaker 2: number when he was in prison, and he's got a

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Speaker 2: Today's guest is living proof that no matter where you start,

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Speaker 2: you can rewrite your story. Wallace Peebles, better known to

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Speaker 2: and he's a New York Times bestselling author who uses

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Speaker 2: to aim a little bit higher. We'll explore what redemption

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Speaker 2: really looks like, the discipline it takes to rebuild your life,

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Speaker 2: Big Dreams. How does that feel to go from the

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Speaker 2: little boy that you were and all that you went

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Speaker 1: You know what's crazy is that I feel it still

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Speaker 1: any one individuals. Every functional family has some dysfunction, and

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Speaker 2: No sympathy is allowed in this room.

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Speaker 1: The little boy that all of.

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Speaker 1: Man, Listen, the most the most scariest day of prison

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Speaker 2: The other issue is most in Generally, most people won't

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Speaker 1: The whole world.

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Speaker 2: Has changed up under your feet. So not only are

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Speaker 1: And because you be you be in so many different places,

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Speaker 1: Based off of when you go to jail, you're stuck

432
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Speaker 1: in that time you went to jail. If you went

433
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Speaker 1: to jail and needy too, you went to jail in

434
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Speaker 1: ninety six and is now you're stuck in that timeframes.

435
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: You don't really know. Something that happened to me that

436
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: changed it up for me was that I had got

437
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: a cell phone in prison, and that's when I started

438
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: my whole That's when while Lot two six seven became

439
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: alive on social media and aid thing, and I just

440
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 1: started seeing the world. And this is in two thousand

441
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: and then thirteen, around twenty thirteen, so I had it

442
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,719
Speaker 1: for like a year from twenty thirteen, for like fourteen

443
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: months to twenty fourteen, and I was just tapped into

444
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: the world in a different way. So I was preparing

445
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: myself even I ain't come home in twenty seventeen. But

446
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: one of the things that happened when I came home,

447
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: and it was this personal thing because my brother, my

448
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: big brother, got shot and he got killed. And when

449
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: he got shot, he got shot on a birth block,

450
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: the block with the street that he was born on

451
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: he ran to my grandmother house. My grandma come to

452
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: the door. He fall in the arms. He said, what happened?

453
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Speaker 1: And he died in my grandma arms, in the house

454
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Speaker 1: that we grew up in. Right, And so I remember

455
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: when I came home, and I came home the first

456
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Speaker 1: day I came home, my Grandmam. I moved in any

457
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Speaker 1: house and I'm living in the middle room. Rest in

458
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: peace to my Aunt Ruby. My aunt Ruby wound up

459
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Speaker 1: passing in that middle room. This is my grandma, my sister,

460
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: and she was something else. She used to. She was

461
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: just funny, but she used to. She's the only person

462
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: I used to get with my grandma. She ain't play,

463
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: but it was. It was crazy. But uh and uh,

464
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: so I go in. I'm in the room. She got

465
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: me a nice bed dresser and all this nice. So

466
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there and I'm just sitting there, you know,

467
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: And I just go down the steps because my Grandma's

468
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: sitting in his chair near the door, and I'm like, Nanny,

469
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: where Steve at? And I forgot, you know what I'm saying.

470
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: I forgot And it was just like a and I

471
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: sat on the steps and I'm nanny like right down

472
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: the steps and I'm looking at it and she just

473
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: watering up, and I just hit me that Steve been going,

474
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, for years now. But I'm so used to

475
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: when I come home, where's Steve at? Because I've always

476
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: been in the system to Whereasdow, I'm always coming home.

477
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm the one that did more time than Steve, even

478
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 1: though that's my big brother. I'm always so it just

479
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: messed me up. But then I seen as I used

480
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: to walk the streets in Philadelphia, because I always will

481
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: walk the streets when I come home and listen to

482
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: my music and I see some funny or whatever, and

483
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: I'll be saying to myself, wait time to tell Steve this.

484
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: It just was a reaction. So it's like I'm going

485
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: through that and then I'm seeing the things that every

486
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: everybody's going through by life. And I had to let

487
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: people know that because a lot of people when I

488
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: came home, I used to say some crazy stuff that

489
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: people based off of my imagination. They I used to

490
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, and even

491
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 1: in prison sometimes say I'm gonna do this and I'm

492
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: gonna do that. I had to realize that from going

493
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: to prison at seventeen coming out thirty seven, something that

494
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: I had that most people didn't have in the free

495
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: world was that my imagination at seventeen was the same

496
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: at thirty seven, because hard prison fortified me going through

497
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: real life heartbreak, losing jobs, the stuff that you go

498
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: through and every see people don't understand the everyday life

499
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: thing is hard. Somebody say, man, I'm went to jail.

500
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: That's hard. No living is hard. Finally getting fired, trying

501
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: to find a job to go off for kids, that's hard.

502
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: Being I did twenty in prison, Whereas though I knew

503
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: that I had three meals coming to me, I knew

504
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: that I had heat, water, electric, I knew that I

505
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: had that. But being in a real world for twenty years,

506
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: that's wear and tear, and what to do is as

507
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: you had kids, as your heart get broken, as things happen,

508
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: as you're trying to battle, your imagination start to fade away.

509
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: So when I'm coming out at thirty seven from seventeen,

510
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: I got imagination of a seventeen year old kid. I

511
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: believe I could do anything right. Right I'm coming home,

512
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: no kids, I'm like, I'm still like I'm young. I'm like, yeah, man,

513
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: I still have dreams.

514
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: So part of trauma psychology teachers, part of the trauma

515
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: your life stops at the point of your most traumatic experience.

516
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: So even though your body gets older, your mind is

517
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: still there, whether you were a twelve year old being

518
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: molested or whether you're seventeen coming out of incarceration. You

519
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: might be thirty seven, but you're saying your process like

520
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: a seventeen year old because you have been incubated in

521
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 2: this furnace of affliction. One of the things that we

522
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: have tried to do is to be to develop programs

523
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: that make us a midwife to help you to make

524
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: the transition, and make that transition more possible for formerly

525
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: incarcerated people not to be treated like they are a disease,

526
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: resulting in lowering the rate of recidivism till that we

527
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: have one of the lowest rates of recidivism.

528
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: In the country.

529
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: We have shut down five prisons in this state of

530
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: Texas over the time that I have been here. We

531
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: have been able to take people and help them to

532
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: make that transition. What I want you to understand, by

533
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: the way, if you just joined us, we are listening

534
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: at the author of this new book armed with good

535
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: intentions while ow to sixty seven, you need to go

536
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: out and get it right now and read it. It's

537
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: a page turner that you won't stop. You won't get

538
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: no sleep that night, going to be reading like it's

539
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: you or like it's your son, And you're gonna understand

540
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: what he's saying right now. He is telling us why

541
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: people go back to jail. They go back to the

542
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: familiar because coming out here into the real world, where

543
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: the rules are different and often not written, is a

544
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: very scary thing. One thing about prison, it had order,

545
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: it had descriptions. You knew what time to do this,

546
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: you knew what time to do that. You didn't have

547
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: to make decisions for yourself, you didn't have to be responsible.

548
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: And the scary thing he was just as scared of

549
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: freedom as he was incarceration. And I thought that was

550
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: a very interesting point to make, because a lot of

551
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: people out here don't understand why we're having so much

552
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: trouble lowering the rate of recidivism. It is primarily because

553
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: when they shut that door and you're now on the outside,

554
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: it's like stepping out into Mars.

555
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's that you don't understand. And I I

556
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: remember I knew somebody right, and he was like, yo,

557
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a job at this place, right.

558
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: I said, Damn, I know somebody there. So when things

559
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: ain't go right, he came to me. Man, he was like, yeah,

560
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: they they shot me down because they said this and

561
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: the third of my record, I said, Damn, I know somebody.

562
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in there and talk to him. So

563
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: I knew a manager there, and I went there and

564
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: I said, listen, man, I know this guy. I said,

565
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm vouching for this guy based off of the respect

566
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: that you had for me, based off of my success

567
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: in what you've seen that I did in the community.

568
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: But I need you to know something, and I need

569
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: you to understand the understand something very important. When you're

570
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: all telling him no based off of something he did before,

571
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: that no is just not a no. You're re sentencing me.

572
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: You're recent every knowe out here to somebody. You're re

573
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: sentencing him because you're saying that what you did you

574
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: did time for, but that wasn't enough time. So I'm

575
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: gonna sentence you again, and I'm gonna penalize you again.

576
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting down and bringing that down to him,

577
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: and they like, we never looked at it. I said,

578
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: that could be devastating to him that may come go

579
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: getting on drugs. They're gonna make them choose the streets.

580
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: So when you're looking at these nose that people is facing,

581
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: it's not a noe based off of just a regular note.

582
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: You're telling them the time that they did for the

583
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: crime that they commit wasn't enough. I'm gonna give you

584
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: some more time, and I'm gonna resentence you by saying no.

585
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: A no is a re sentence to somebody and not

586
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: just as resentence can be devastated, and it also could

587
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: be a trigger to go somewhere comfortable.

588
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: It also says to us that people seldom believe in change. Yes, no,

589
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: they don't believe in change. That's why marriage just break

590
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: up and you can't find forgiveness. People don't believe that

591
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: it is possible to a change. We talk like we

592
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: do people, but in reality they think, oh, I know you,

593
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: you got a record, you're.

594
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: A feeling so and so on and so on.

595
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: So climbing over that kind of prejudge prejudice is not easy,

596
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: any kind of prejudice. No, It's not easy whether black, white, brown, young,

597
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: or oh, any kind of prejudice, because I have prejudged you,

598
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: so that no is a sentence to your point all

599
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: over again. So bringing down the rate of recidivism becomes

600
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: quite difficult. Chapter four, Next opportunity. How did you find

601
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: the wheel within yourself to face your nose, whether it's

602
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: from your old lady, your girlfriend, your mother, your sister.

603
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: How did you rebound back again without retreating back to

604
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: the bars because at least they were familiar and you

605
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: had three square and a cot.

606
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: No, you know what it was for me? No mean

607
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: nixt opportunity, next opening. So I'm like, okay, and my

608
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: whole thing was I was able to because I'm gonna

609
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: give you example. I remember I went to this big corporation.

610
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: It was somebody I knew, somebody that liked me on

611
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: social media. Hit me up. It was like, yo, I

612
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: want you to meet my boss. And I mean he's

613
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: head of the market and I think y'all could do something.

614
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: So I go to the office. I go up there,

615
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm all happy. I go to New York. I'm like, yeah,

616
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm real making it's going on. I think I'm gonna

617
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: get me the market, these stuff, a brand, sponsorship whatever,

618
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: go up there, and I go into walking to the

619
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: rum and waiting and walking to the room. I get

620
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: to tell him what I do this now, and third

621
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: and the third he sent me back. He said, yeah,

622
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: wait outside, I'll be a moment.

623
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

624
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: So he called the guy there to brum me there.

625
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: Then he came back out. He was like, it ain't

626
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: gonna happen right now. It's just not the time, but

627
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: move on. So I'm like, now I'm shocked. I'm like, damn,

628
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: I ain't even really get to like. So I said,

629
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: I just need to asking one thing, cause you just

630
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: a I'm just asking one thing. I just need to know.

631
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: It's so much information and there's so many lessons and

632
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: blessings and know. I said, I need to know why,

633
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: right because I already got in the building, so something

634
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: got me here. I need to know why I can't

635
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: go to the next level. So hold hold on this

636
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: a moment. I want to be sure that I underscore

637
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: what he just said. He turned knowing to it an

638
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: acronym and called it next opportunity, next opening, next opening.

639
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: Very few people here next opening. When they hear no,

640
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: when they hear no, they here, you're not good enough.

641
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: Stay in your place, don't try to be anyway better.

642
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: You're in prison, that's where where you belong. You need

643
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: to go back if they are resentenced all over again.

644
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: But you.

645
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 2: Had something in you that said, there's another opportunity coming.

646
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: What was that? And right here at that moment, not

647
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: just did I want to know? Because I knew before

648
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: I got the information about to know. What I knew

649
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: is No is connected to personal beliefs, personal outlooks. So

650
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: that don't mean that no is for everything in this room.

651
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: No might just be from you, and that might be

652
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: your fears. It might be your shr comings, It might

653
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: be something that you don't see. It might be your

654
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: lack of vision. That don't mean that I'm not great.

655
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: That don't mean that I can't take this job and

656
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: be the greatest person that ever even worked in this corporation.

657
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: That don't mean that what that mean is based off

658
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: of your outlook, based off of your journey. You might

659
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: say or you might can't see the vision in me,

660
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: or you might can't understand it I'm able to deliver

661
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: based off of your sh comings in your fears, you

662
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: might just you might be just not educated about who

663
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: I am, where I come from, or the idea or

664
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: the hard work whatever. So I don't look at it

665
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: like that. It's not a personal hit. Never so when

666
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: he came back out, But you know that's not normal.

667
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: Oh, most people, for what you think about them becomes

668
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: their business. Only a few small percentage of people have

669
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: the inner fortitude and tenacity to be able to say,

670
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: what you think of me is none of my business.

671
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 2: None of it that's yours. That's yours, So you leave

672
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: that with them. You had the ability to do that.

673
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 2: Did that come from Nanny? Where did that come from?

674
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: And definitely Nanny had a big part of that, because

675
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: Nanny didn't really I never seen Nanny get bothered by none.

676
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: And then my uncle Tommy, he just always was cool.

677
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 1: We ain't, never cared about nothing, no matter what nobody

678
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: said about him. He was the same person any day.

679
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: So when I'm looking at that, I understand that. But

680
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: I knew if you could take the personal part out

681
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: of it, your world will open up, because I would

682
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: have stormed out that room that day. And then wait,

683
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: he went back in that room, he said, he said, Wallow,

684
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: He came at the hand and I said, what you mean.

685
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: He said, you didn't even have a deck. I said,

686
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: what is a deck? A deck is a resume for

687
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: business to show analytics, to show your numbers, to show

688
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: why the partnership move and he said, he said, wallow.

689
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: A lot of times when you come into these big

690
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: corporations and you're trying to do brain deals a partnership,

691
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: they're looking for you to bring the idea and the

692
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: value you gonna bring, how it's gonna be mutually beneficial,

693
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: and the idea that they could roll out and even

694
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: he said, sometimes it need to get to the point

695
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: of understanding what type of budget is going to take.

696
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: Is you gonna shoot the content? Is they going to

697
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: shoot the content? So I said, so yeah, but what

698
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: is a deck. I'm sitting there, like, what is a deck?

699
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: He went right on joint went right on. Google showed me.

700
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: I said, that's a deck. I said, I know somebody

701
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: that can make that. I said, listen, man, thank you.

702
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: That was one of the greatest days of my business

703
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: journey because I realized that day I said, everything is

704
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: on Google number one, and then not just that, I realized,

705
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: like hold up, what if I'd have left I wouldn't

706
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: have got this million dollars worth of game I when

707
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: it got all this game.

708
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what I realized listening that you talking,

709
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: that you speaking other languages. Okay, you have the ability

710
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: to do street talk, but now you're learning the ability

711
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: to speak in business language. You're learning what a deck is,

712
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: You're learning what ROI is, You're learning what a promo is.

713
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: You're learning what a pitch is, a pitch competition. You're

714
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: learning all of this new language. And I think it's

715
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: important for people to know that you can't change your

716
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: life until you change your language. When you begin to

717
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: change your language, you also have to change your habits.

718
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: You start talking about financial literacy. We teach financial literacy

719
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: because most of us don't sit around the table talking

720
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: about the stock market. Well, you know, the stocks are

721
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: down this week, and I'm going to invest in the

722
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: n video. I'm going to do this over here, I'm

723
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: gonna go with blockchain. I'm gonna do so and so

724
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: now we don't sit around the table talking about that.

725
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: We generally sit around the table either talking about the

726
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 2: food or talk about each other. Okay, so poor people

727
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: talk about each other, middle class people talk about opportunities.

728
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: There are rich people talk about what they're going to

729
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: do with the money, how they're gonna let the money

730
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: work for them rather than them work for the money.

731
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: So there's a difference in conversation. You can't go to

732
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: the next level with the old language. And I've realized that.

733
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: I realized that.

734
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: I realized multiple things coming out of prison. I realize

735
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: that you gotta have you gotta know how to speak,

736
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: number one. I always had that. But I also realized

737
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: that the look was the hook. Damn. I gotta invest

738
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: in some suits. I gotta know when to show up

739
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: a certain way. I gotta be there at a certain time.

740
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: I gotta you know, I know I can't take certain

741
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: people with me. You know what I'm saying, because everybody

742
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: can't go in a lot of times will get offended

743
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: with that. Back where we're from, you know, how did

744
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: everybody take a fense? What you mean? You can't go

745
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: because this is not the environment for you, and you

746
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: don't know how to act. You might don't know how

747
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: to dress, and you might mess up this opportunity for me.

748
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: You now, I gotta confess, I laid out a suit

749
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 2: to come to do this interview. But when I started

750
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: investigating all the interviews you've done, you always dress casual,

751
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: so I had to ditch the suit so I could

752
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: match you the room. Yeah, yeah, you got to match

753
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: the energy of the room that you're in. So I

754
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 2: came up with this. Otherwise, you know, I'd be tired, suited, booted.

755
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: That's my normal, that's my unifor you know.

756
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: That's so I'm trying to meet you, Okay, to know

757
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: how to fit and blend into the situation, we took

758
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: a group of formerly incarcerated inmates and took them to

759
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: different jobs at major one fortune, one hundred companies. They

760
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: were terrified. They didn't have the clothes for it, they

761
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: didn't have the language for it. They didn't they walked

762
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: into offices where the corporate rules are not always written,

763
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: and suddenly we begin to understand that you have to

764
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: move them into better Slowly. We like to talk about

765
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: better and going to the next level, but are we

766
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: really ready to go to the next chapter, the next

767
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: level in our lives? No, it's multiple things. First of all,

768
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: you can't teach what you're gonna know, and you can't

769
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: lead where you're gonna go. So it's real deep exposure,

770
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: like exposure. A lot of times in our communities we

771
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: lack exposure, right, and I think we we get so

772
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: invested in one department of life that we don't focus

773
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: on different department of life or having different Like it's

774
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: like a toolbox, you know what I mean. You can

775
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: have a tool belt on or you could just have

776
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: a screwdriver, a filipment, like you can have just a

777
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: couple of pieces, but then you've got the guy to

778
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: come up with the two belt. So anything in here

779
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: they can take a part, They could do anything. They're

780
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: they're they're they're adaptable, and I think a lot of

781
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: people don't know how to be adaptable and just realize that,

782
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, or get around people that are adaptable or be

783
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: receptive to change, receptive to criticism because when we hear criticism,

784
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: the vote, the human vocabulary based off of where we

785
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: come from, we have words that we have, this mental

786
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: list in our mind is always negative when we hear him,

787
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: damn he criticizing on me. So criticize when from criticizing somebody,

788
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: basically you critique him or you're trying to help him

789
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: whatever to your hater, right, like anybody that don't agree

790
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: with you as a hater when sometimes somebody that don't

791
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: agree with you, they probably critiquing you, and they might

792
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: something that you could change because and a lot of

793
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of quote unquote hate. That's some truth

794
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: in there. That's why I hurt you the most. If

795
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: you speak about us, if our people speak about us,

796
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: or if any other nationality speak about us, and it's true,

797
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: that's when it hurt. See, we don't see when it's true,

798
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: it's hurt and now it is truth. A lot of

799
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: times when people speak truth to you, you wanna even

800
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: have it. You're gonna even you know, categorize a hater

801
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: of racist or whatever because the truth hurt.

802
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 2: Yes, because we were talking through social media, you don't

803
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: get to have a rebuttal, you don't get to have

804
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: a discussion. And the truth of the matter is when

805
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: you start talking about people in lower class neighborhoods, underserved neighborhoods,

806
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: most of them have never left their neighborhood. They eat

807
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: in those restaurants, they stay in the two or three

808
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: city block radius. They they haven't seen the other part

809
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: of Dallas. But let me tell you what I learned.

810
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: The other part of dollars hasn't seen them either. Nobody

811
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: talk about that. Yeah, they they They are just as

812
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: much in a bubble as the other group is. And

813
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: we will never have a United States of America as

814
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: long as we are quadring off into different segments and

815
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: we have these silos that are comfortable. We stay in

816
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: the sallow that it's comfortable for the background that we

817
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: have not willing to learn other languages. Chapter six, Becoming

818
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: Wallowed two sixty seven. I look around here and you

819
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: had you had a four million dollars in grants to

820
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 2: minority own businesses and organization.

821
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: And you've been a road and you got four million dollars.

822
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: That's a massive change in your life. And I take

823
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: it you didn't investle it or you weren't there. I

824
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: got my partner partners at Bars, who's are our media partners,

825
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: and we took it and we said, listen, this is

826
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: what we want to do. We want to take it

827
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: to the inner cities, and we want to do something

828
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: for some businesses. And we took that four point five

829
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 1: million dollars and just gave it to businesses four point

830
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: five that they needed help at the time. But how

831
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: did you want?

832
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: No, no, no, how did you feel giving out four point

833
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 2: five million dollars the guy who would have snatched four

834
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: point five million dollars.

835
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: It was about you know, it was the same way

836
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: I was in prison going in there crying. It was

837
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: the same way that I would get back in the

838
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: car and I be emotional because to see people break

839
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: down and to see somebody giving something that that've been

840
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 1: working hard and been trying and was counting the selfs out.

841
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: Al was figuring, like you gotta stand, a lot of

842
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: business owners is thinking about ways to exit, not that

843
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: this exit that go through the back door and just say, man,

844
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: I'm giving it up. So to see people to say,

845
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, I almost can pay rent this or

846
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: whatever it was, this is gonna help my business. I'm

847
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: gonna get more inventory. That was everything to me. But

848
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: but it was like this the same way how you

849
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: feel knowing that you employ over ten thousand people. Let

850
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: me explain something to you. You said that people being silos,

851
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: and this is how deep it is. Do you know

852
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: it's over There's about sixteen thousand cities in America that

853
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: have less than ten thousand people in there. So do

854
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: you understand that your employee whole towns right, So you

855
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: got so so when we say that, you say that, listen,

856
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: people don't leave. But you know what I mean, people

857
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: that was sixteen thousand towns that never believe they town.

858
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: You're right, right. You got a town in New Hampshire

859
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: with like nine hundred people in there. I forget the

860
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: name of it. I forget the name of the town.

861
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: It's like nine hundred people in the town. So you

862
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: know how many small towns. So like you say, people say, oh,

863
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: they don't leave there they not this Yeah, that's in.

864
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: All racists and all nationalities got towns around the world

865
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: that don't leave the town.

866
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: You just drew a line for me between people who

867
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: have never left their town and people who refuse to

868
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: leave the prison. Yes, that that that says to me

869
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 2: that there's a human comfort zone tribal and saying tribals

870
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: there you go, you hit the word.

871
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: Because it's like it's like this is like think about this.

872
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: That comfort is saying this is my neighborhood, this is

873
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: my thing, this is my tribe, this is where I'm

874
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: comfortable at. It's not and it's not even saying that

875
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: everybody's wrong, because everybody is not meant to see the

876
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: world right, it's not financially feasible for everybody to see

877
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: the world. Some people like the comfort zone, just like this.

878
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: We never knocked Big Mama because he say, yeah, I

879
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: had this gown before you was born, and I'm gonna

880
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: walk around and steal and I'm gonna that chair right

881
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: there is mine. I'm safe right here. I'm not leaving

882
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: this community. I'm gonna live here. I'm gonna die here

883
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: because this is my people and this is where I'm

884
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: comfortable at.

885
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that hits me a different kind of way.

886
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: My experience is exceptional from the fact I grew up

887
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 2: poor off of government tees and powdered milk and powdered

888
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: the aches. My mother took us to nice restaurant and said,

889
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: if we didn't do anything but order, is hurt. Trying

890
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 2: to expose us to better things. Expose us to ballet,

891
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: expose us to concerts, exposed us to things. And we

892
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: went back home to a house that had no grass,

893
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: that had a floor furnace, and and everybody standing over

894
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 2: the furnace trying not to freeze to death. We went

895
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: back home to a house that was hanging off the

896
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: side of a Cliff, but we visited it better.

897
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. When you say that, it

898
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: connect me to something that's very important to me. Will

899
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: say this. The government cheese them grilled cheeses. Was they was.

900
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: It was everything they're backing. They was patting that powder,

901
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: the milk. You whip it right, you don't get you

902
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: gotta make bumps. You got the whisks. But but the

903
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: thing was, this is something you said. And I tell

904
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: people this all the time. I said, wealth is a

905
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: wealth is a great thing. Uh, being able to get

906
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,959
Speaker 1: finances to do what you want to do, to live better,

907
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: to have better options, to be able to travel the world.

908
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: You need that. And I tell people that you got

909
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: to become who you want to become before you become it.

910
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: You got to become a millionaire before you become a millionaire.

911
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: You got to have a big house before you have it.

912
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: So I had this thing that when I came home

913
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 1: from prison, I used to be downtown Philadelphia. The reason

914
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: I used to be downtown phil I put my backpack on.

915
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: I either walk downtown or I jump on the subway,

916
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: and I be downtown Philadelphia, and I go to the

917
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: Four Seasons. I go there I used to go to

918
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: the bar in the Field Seasons on the top floor,

919
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: sixtieth floor, and I used to go in there and

920
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: I used to be like, let me get a hot

921
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: team and to go cut with limited honey. Anybody know

922
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: that's my that's my that's my that's my drinking choice.

923
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: Hot tea to go cup limited honey, if you got

924
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: meant that'd be a double a cup if super hot.

925
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: And I would sit there drink my hot tea. Sometime

926
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 1: I get a ginger rale or bottle of water. Right

927
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: then I leave there because I had to leave because

928
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: I have an appointment for one of these top flight,

929
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: top flight condos in Philly. I go there check the

930
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: condo out because once I realize that you ain't need

931
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: no real money, you ain't need no money, and they

932
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: don't check your bank account, the test drive a car

933
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: to go for appointment in the con So I'm all

934
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: in the condo with my backpack, going my vans on,

935
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: my skinny jeans for my American Eagle that I got

936
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: a deal on quarterm on sell and I'm walking around

937
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: the condo like, h put my book bag at the front.

938
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: There's a nice rum. So what do you like, how

939
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: much does this run? Okay, I'm walking through the whole thing.

940
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: Then I go to the Ben's dealer and I say, tout, drop,

941
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: let me test drive, go around the block, and like

942
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: this is nice, come back out. When I get back

943
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: out of the car, I'm looking around. Yeah, so you say,

944
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: what's the what's the horsepower in this? Okay? Do I

945
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: get a lever? Or which name? I do that? And

946
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: I would do this a couple times a month because

947
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: I had to prep myself. See, you gotta believe that

948
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: you're who you are before you become who you are.

949
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: You got a vision. You gotta have this strong belief

950
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: that you crazy. Everybody told me I was crazy. I

951
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: remember one time I came into the house because I

952
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: was doing my videos and they didn't understand my videos.

953
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: But this is what happened. I'm gonna tell you. First

954
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: of all, my name threw people off the two sixty seven,

955
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: my prison number DG two sixty seven er. So that's

956
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: where that two six seven come from. When I went

957
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 1: to prison, Philadelphia area code was two one five before

958
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: it was two six seven, so already that didn't connect.

959
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: So what I realized when I was in jail, I'm

960
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: watching social media and I realized that it was a

961
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: battle for attention. So when I came out doing what

962
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: I was doing, these people thought I was crazy based

963
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: off of I studied the timeline when I was in prison,

964
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: and I studied that hold up. They looking at her

965
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: because she naked. They looking at him because he got

966
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: some jurelly on, he got cars, he's an NBA player,

967
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: he's a rapper. They looking at all these people for

968
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: these things. So I got to battle with all these people.

969
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: Why where's the regular people that they looking at? There's

970
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: no human connections. I said, Okay, when I do my videos,

971
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be running across the highway and it's like

972
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: a block away. You're gonna see eighteen Willa coming. You

973
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: think I might, I'm have my try OPI him and

974
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: do my video. I'm be laying on the ground with

975
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: ketch up on my head explaining when somebody gets shot,

976
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: don't wait till it's too late. They want to change

977
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: your life. And the ambulan's getting closer, but you think

978
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: it's getting farther because you're checking out. So this is

979
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: all of the stuff that I'm putting. So when they

980
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: looking at my stuff. I keep hearing around the neighborhood

981
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: and people I know. Man, he went cringey in jail.

982
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: Man he out doing the videos running in the rain.

983
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: He just so. I remember one time I come home

984
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: and every night when I would come home, I called

985
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: Nanny because I used to try to come in before

986
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: it get dark. I'd be like, Nanny, I'm going to

987
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: the Chinese store getting this was my thing, ten scollops,

988
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: fried rice like a ginger robber, and Nanny like, give

989
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: me somebody for youngest. I always bring us somemert home

990
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: at night. So I get to the crib. So I

991
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: get to the crib, so I give us a She

992
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: up in a room. So she hit me in the

993
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: room because my room right next to her. Because and

994
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: she like, and I'm in here laughing all the time.

995
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: She's like, boy, what you watching? What you laugh I'm

996
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 1: like nothing, Naanny, nothing, Nanny. I'm just laughing about boy,

997
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: you're always laughing. And what I was laughing about where

998
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: I get a text or somebody be telling me, you

999
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: know what's her name said this about you? You're going crazy?

1000
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: You mad. I'm laughing because I'm like I got him

1001
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: in the inner cities of America. When they call you crazy,

1002
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: when they talk about you, When when when they say

1003
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: you lost your mind, you got you on something, you

1004
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: got something now, and you ain't got nobody in your way.

1005
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: Cause I'm like being as though I'm crazy, nobody is

1006
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: going to be in my way. Only thing I'm doing

1007
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: is I'm gonna be straight up with you. Only thing

1008
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: I'm doing is I'm I'm I'm I'm bringing you a

1009
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: new virgin, a less brown that's digestible to right now.

1010
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: Right I'm less brown, That's what I so. So I'm like,

1011
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm in the joint listening to less. Plus I'm already able.

1012
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: A dude that was encourage I understood, I understood to

1013
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: be a great speaker. I never knew that I already

1014
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: had it. Being a great speaker is being informative, being humorous,

1015
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: and being relatable right to any room that you walk in.

1016
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: So I'm like, anything, I'm crazy, nobody is going to

1017
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: get in my way. I wasn't tough, I wasn't bragging

1018
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: them out being in prison as a badger mindor because

1019
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: it's not like I went to university and I wasn't

1020
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: just I wasn't too cool to do what mattered for me.

1021
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: The definition of crazy is being different from the person

1022
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: who's called you crazy. That's that's the long and the

1023
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: short of it. In my day, we'd say consider the source.

1024
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: A lot of times, the person who's calling you crazy

1025
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: is really saying you're unfamiliar, and you have to have

1026
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: courage to hear them call you crazy and keep moving anyway.

1027
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: This is what I want to ask you. And in

1028
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: case you're just youwing as you miss you missed so much.

1029
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: You gotta rewind. We're talking to the author of Armed

1030
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: with Good Intention New York Times best selling list Wallow

1031
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: to sixty seven. You kept your numbers. You brought to

1032
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 2: sixty seven with you, to the university, to the new opportunities,

1033
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 2: to the CMO position. In what ways the two sixty

1034
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 2: seven inform Wallow.

1035
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: See the reason I put that number in there. I'm

1036
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you what happened when

1037
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: I went to go set up the Instagram in prison,

1038
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: somebody had wallow. Okay, I put the two sixty seven

1039
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: on there because I wanted people to I wanted to

1040
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: be reminded from where I came from and where I

1041
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: ain't going back to so I was like, not only

1042
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: did I do that when I came, I said, let

1043
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: me trademark my name. I'm gonna make this name. I'm

1044
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: gonna show people globally that you could be something. No

1045
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: matter what you've been through in life, you could get

1046
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: back up and you could win.

1047
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna push back a little bit. I think you

1048
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: can be something because of what you've been through in

1049
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: last I think that what you have been through, the

1050
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: most negative, horrific circumstances that happened in your life, become

1051
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: the jet fuel that causes you to take flight, yes,

1052
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: and soar above the planes that can only go to

1053
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 2: a certain altitude. You can only rise to the altitude

1054
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 2: of the death that you sunk to. And I thought,

1055
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: when I looked at wallows to sixty seven, I thought,

1056
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 2: to sixty seven is the gas that may wallow?

1057
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, Because I'm gonna tell you something, It's like,

1058
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: I realize some are very important. I was not gonna

1059
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: let people define me by the worst decisions I made

1060
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: in my life and what happened. Most of the time

1061
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: we let people defind us. They packages and they keep

1062
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: reminding us about the worst moments and the decisions that

1063
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: we meet in our life that we can't get up,

1064
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: we can't move, we can't see, we can't think outside

1065
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: of that, and people will put you into prison because

1066
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: they like hold up, I need to sell me because

1067
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm in the prison. I'm already mentally locked up. Because

1068
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: there are more people in prison in the free world

1069
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: than it ever be in prisons around the world.

1070
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: They think it's easier to pull you down than it

1071
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: is for them to climb up, when in reality, many times,

1072
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: if you're up, it would be better to emulate the

1073
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 2: person that's up, yes, than to try to pull them down.

1074
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: So you feel good by having somebody a little bit

1075
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 2: lower than you, Yes.

1076
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: Lennon B.

1077
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: Johnson was quoted as saying, as long as you make

1078
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 2: the black man a little bit lower than the poorest

1079
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: white man, there'll always be a division in our country.

1080
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 2: Everybody likes to look down and see somebody under them,

1081
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 2: because that way I'm not at the bottom. That's true

1082
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: about marriage, that's true about society, that's true about criminal

1083
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 2: justice system, it's true about everything in life. But what

1084
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: is unique about you and rare, whether you're living on

1085
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: the good side of the tracks of the bad side

1086
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: of the tracks. One I heard you say in another

1087
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: interview that you take responsibility for the mistakes you made.

1088
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 2: That's rare for somebody to really take responsibility, and take

1089
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 2: responsibility is in a speech you make to people. It's

1090
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: a speech you make to yourself. And the second thing

1091
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: is you did not allow other people's opinion to be

1092
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: your prophecy. You had the courage to accept being different,

1093
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: crazy if you please, in order to achieve what you're

1094
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 2: trying to achieve. Seven making Grandma proud. When you go

1095
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: into schools and you're talking to young people who have

1096
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: never had to think for themselves, who went along with

1097
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 2: the gang in lieu of having a family who suffer from.

1098
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: No father in the home, or no mother in the home,

1099
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: or an abusive relationship in the home, how do you

1100
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: begin to help them to think in another way that

1101
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: changes their life? You know what I realized. I share

1102
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: information based off my journey, and I share information based

1103
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: off my travels. But one thing that I had to

1104
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: realize is if you can, you will. If you can't,

1105
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: you won't. And everybody on this planet alarm clock come

1106
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: on different times. It was so many great people that

1107
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: I ran into during my journey, and when I ran

1108
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: into these people coming up and I was impressionable and

1109
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: I was married to the streets of Philadelphia. It wasn't

1110
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: time for my alarm clock to come on. So you

1111
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: could tell them because you got to give them them

1112
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: and they would connect with the information. Because I remember

1113
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: information later on when I was sitting in that prison cell,

1114
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: and I remember every the mentor I had, the probation officer,

1115
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: Ruth Marcus. I remember the different people that was trying

1116
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: to pull me. I was trying to like, yo, listen,

1117
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: Nanny always Nanny always is always nanny. So it was like,

1118
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: you remember all these people, But that alarm clock is

1119
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: a personal thing that's inside of you, and you got

1120
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: to be willing to be ready to understand that it's

1121
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: extraordinary people, pleases and things waiting for you on his planet,

1122
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: for your rival.

1123
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: Maybe you're not going to be a business owner, maybe

1124
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: you're not going to be a CEO. Maybe you're not

1125
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 2: going to change the world. Maybe you're not going to

1126
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: do something amazing. Maybe you're in this world to be

1127
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: somebody's nanny. Maybe you're in this world your job, your purpose,

1128
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: your place in the kingdom, is to believe in somebody

1129
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: that nobody else believed in until they keep getting up.

1130
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: Maybe that's your role in life. If so, that's a

1131
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: very important role. If it were not for Moses' sister,

1132
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: Moses could have died in and now there's always got

1133
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 2: to be somebody running down the banks of the river,

1134
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,959
Speaker 2: even when you're going to your lower estate, who helps

1135
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: you to arrive at the location you're trying to arrive at.

1136
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: I want to know this.

1137
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: When you got out of prison and the first time

1138
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 2: you saw Nanny, make make me the only person that

1139
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 2: consistently believed in you when you were at your worst

1140
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: moment to giving out four point five million dollars to

1141
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: people and going back to school and all the stuff

1142
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: you did when you saw her, for what did your

1143
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 2: heart say?

1144
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: It was? It was so much emotion because it was like,

1145
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: first of all, this is the the shortest, biggest lady

1146
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: I know. She comes through. She got a new balance

1147
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: on September thirty. If she be ninety one, she still

1148
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm talking about driving a car, still walking jump. I'll

1149
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: be like Nanny, where you at. I'm downtown. What you

1150
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: like what you're doing? I caught the bus. Nanny is

1151
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: different right, Still go downstairs, give me some new balances,

1152
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: all right, Nanny whatever. But I saw somebody that was

1153
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: so happy and it was so much emotion. But I

1154
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: still was like it was so much in me because

1155
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I still gotta show her because my whole

1156
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: my greatest fear when I was in prison that because

1157
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: Nanny will always say, listen, baby, i'm'na leave. I'm gonna

1158
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: leave you something, but you ain't you taking too long?

1159
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: Because I used to tell Nanny every year that I

1160
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: be home next year, and she'd like, you told me

1161
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: next year three years ago. Boy, I'm gonna be out

1162
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: of here. I got somewhere to go, Like that's how

1163
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: Nanny so to be able to get home. I'm like,

1164
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: I always had this fear that Nanny would never see

1165
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: me do good. And the only connections he had for

1166
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 1: me doing good is when I was a little baby.

1167
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: So it was like, I gotta show her so I

1168
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: never forget this day. I'm they put me on the

1169
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: front page of the paper for everything I'm doing. Nanny

1170
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: don't even know what I'm leaving out the house doing

1171
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: that day. She don't have no clue. Nanny not on

1172
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: social media. She don't even have a smart phone. She

1173
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: got to flip.

1174
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: She ain't.

1175
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: She ain't want to hear none of that stuff. Nanny

1176
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: watching TV. She gonna watch the she knows. She don't

1177
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: care about none of that. So a girlfriend called her

1178
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: wireless on the front paper. I'm out for months now,

1179
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm doing my thing. She don't know nothing about it.

1180
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: And what's crazy is that I was selling T shirts.

1181
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: Hey damn doing my thing. I'm doing little stuff. But

1182
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: I think Nanny thought I was busting moves in the

1183
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: streets again. So when I was trying to give her money,

1184
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: she wasn't taking nothing from me. She's like, no, boy,

1185
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: just make sure you stay out of jail. And I'm like, Nanny,

1186
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: she don't even So when I get on the paper,

1187
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: somebody called a woireless on the paper, she called me, boy,

1188
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: what you do now? I'm like, I ain't do nothing.

1189
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: What you talking about? Right? Man? She got that paper

1190
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: and I walked in the house. She had that paper.

1191
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: That was one of the greatest days of my life.

1192
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: Make me feel it, because you gotta understand she didn't

1193
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: think I was gonna make it not home. Every day

1194
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: that I left the crib. Growing up, it was a

1195
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: fear because I was just reckless. What did it feel like?

1196
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: Describe it? Make me feel it? It was an undescribable

1197
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: emotion in me. It was like finally, it was like

1198
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: I finally reached reached that part of my life where

1199
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm like I done it because no matter what I've done.

1200
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: It was like I got to show her that I

1201
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: that I'm a good person. You know, I ribbed, I

1202
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: still I lied. I did so much growing up, So

1203
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: I was like I got to show her that like

1204
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: everything that she told me, I listened because I never

1205
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: It was like I never listened, but I need to

1206
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: show her that everything that she told me she was right,

1207
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: and I held on to it. I just had to

1208
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: wait for the alarm clock to come on, and it

1209
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 1: was just it was just like this burst of love.

1210
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: And I never seen her look at me the way

1211
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: she looked at me. And it was like she sat

1212
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: on that couch and looked at me, and I'm like

1213
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: she was like, boy, probably I gave her a hug

1214
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: and she was just like it was like I knew

1215
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: that that day, all her fears that she had every

1216
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: time that I left that house growing up as a kid,

1217
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: Me and Steve in the streets, and the police calling,

1218
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: and the police coming to the house and calling from jail,

1219
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: the letters coming home from jail, and somebody running down

1220
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: the street while its got locked up again. I was

1221
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: introduced to somebody safe, that felt safe, that felt respected,

1222
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: that fell love.

1223
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: Since I was a kid and lived long enough to

1224
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 2: see it, I don't know which is the greatest miracle.

1225
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: That she lived long enough to see it, or that

1226
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: you turn far enough for her to have something to see.

1227
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 2: It's like the collision between two miracles. Very few people

1228
01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: have that privilege to write the wrongs, to turn themselves

1229
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 2: around it. And the reason I wanted you to describe

1230
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 2: it is because somebody didn't get to show the person

1231
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 2: that meant the most to them that there was something

1232
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: else inside of them. And I'm one of those somebody.

1233
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: I'll be transparent. My father never saw anything I built.

1234
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 2: He never saw me direct acquire, He never heard me

1235
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 2: preach a sermon. In my life I soon will have

1236
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 2: been preaching fifty years. He never saw me build anything,

1237
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: or do anything, or speak at the president's inaugural event.

1238
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: He never saw any of it. And I had to

1239
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 2: live with the fact that it wasn't that I was

1240
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 2: slow and doing it that it was that he left

1241
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 2: so early. He died when he was forty eight, and

1242
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: I never got to show him. And to this day

1243
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: there's a part of me that longs to be able

1244
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: to show him that, hey, I turned into something. I

1245
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: actually did something that. Yeah, I'm still crazy, but I

1246
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 2: actually is something with my like chapter eight, clap for years. So,

1247
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 2: mister Wallace Peoples, as we bring this to a close,

1248
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 2: you've come full circle from Nanny's dream to Nanni's reality.

1249
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: You're not in prison anymore. You're somebody. You're on all

1250
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 2: the talk shows. You You've got a highly rated podcast,

1251
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 2: extremely highly rated. You've got people listening at you.

1252
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: You the man. What's next for mister Peebles? And I

1253
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: call you mister Peebles on purpose? You know, you know

1254
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: what's crazy? Uh, it's a lot. But more importantly than

1255
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: the business moves I make, it's helping people. And it's

1256
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: not the people that you think of. It's the everyday

1257
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: person that I run into when I'm in the market,

1258
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: when I'm on the streets because I got a bunch

1259
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: of business stuff going on. But that's cool, But there's

1260
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: nothing like when I'm run into somebody that don't know

1261
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: who I am. Wherever, it's the older lady at the

1262
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: grocery store and I pay for groceries and just leave,

1263
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: or you know, all the stuff that I do in

1264
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: the dark, like I like moving in the dark, got

1265
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: my little hoodie on, my little hat on them somewhere,

1266
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: homeless people. I'm just feeding them or whatever, just talking

1267
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: to them. That's more important than any of this other stuff.

1268
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: You know, books, coming TV show, coming movie, coming, a

1269
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: lot of stuff coming. But that's just like that, don't

1270
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: really that don't really impact the stuff people as much.

1271
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: Now the fact that where I come from impact people

1272
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: to let them know that they could do something. But

1273
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: the real stuff is when I see somebody that really

1274
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: need a help and I help them when nobody watch them.

1275
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: I think that's fantastic. I personally would say this to

1276
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 2: you at the right age of sixty eight, I understand

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Speaker 2: what it is to get fulfillment out of changing people's lives.

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Speaker 2: I've done it for fifty years. It's something. It's the

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Speaker 2: substratum of my life.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I miss I forgot to clap for me.

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Speaker 2: I forgot to clap for me. I never looked at

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Speaker 2: it until I got older and my hair turned white,

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Speaker 2: and I looked back at my life and I realized

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Speaker 2: the things that I got to do, and the places

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Speaker 2: I got to go, and the people that I got

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Speaker 2: to meet. I did it, but I was so intent

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Speaker 2: on helping them that I never clapped for me. And

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that it is a low grade form

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Speaker 2: of low self esteem to only find pleasure out of

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Speaker 2: other people's happiness and not find pleasure out of your own.

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Speaker 2: And my advice, take it if you want to leave it,

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Speaker 2: if you will, it's every now and then. You said

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Speaker 2: the book don't mean nothing. You're on the New York

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Speaker 2: Times list. You say the career doesn't mean nothing. You

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01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: gave away four point five million dollars. Make yourself clap

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Speaker 2: for you because it will complete the healing. You won't

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01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:47,839
Speaker 2: need other people to do it. If you clap for yourself,

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Speaker 2: I clap for you.

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Speaker 1: I clap for you. Thank you very much, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Sa Wow. That was good man. That was just great. Man.

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Speaker 1: It was real therapeutic, just talking to you man, just

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01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: kicking it because we were just kicking it. Man. Yeah,

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01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't like it's something you know, it's

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01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: just so happened the camera was here. It was just

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01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: like it was like, you know, to have a great

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01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: conversation with people, man, and just share your stories just everything, yes,

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01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: and you know, especially the stuff you share with me

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01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: back there. It's like it's just like I don't And

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes people put you so much on the

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Speaker 1: pedestal because you got successful. They don't understand that you

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Speaker 1: just like the simple things of life, right like the

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Speaker 1: way you like you call for you or that bagel

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01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: always may be something that you just be like damn

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Speaker 1: excited about, you know, so it'd be like but that

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Speaker 1: class for you. I needed that, Yeah, I know, because

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Speaker 1: I forget me looking out for the world. I just

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01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: and I'm always trying to look out for the people

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Speaker 1: that the world forgot about that I forget about me.

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Speaker 2: It's it's almost like a disease because it's a subtle

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01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 2: way of saying that you don't matter.

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Speaker 1: Oh I got that.

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01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:06,919
Speaker 2: That's the truth. To take the time to applaud yourself

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01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 2: and applaud the God that brought you against all odds

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Speaker 2: for a few people make it. You mentioned in one

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Speaker 2: of your interviews about your fascination with Harriet Tubman. She

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01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 2: made it in and out of slavery and brought other

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Speaker 2: people A little old woman, a little old woman.

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Speaker 1: Mhm.

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Speaker 2: I want you to make it your business to force yourself.

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01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: It's gonna feel funny, it's gonna feel awkward to celebrate yourself,

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01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 2: clap for yourself and tell yourself, because if you don't

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01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 2: tell yourself, you're not perfect. But you did pretty dagone

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01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 2: good from where you started from. Yeah, if you don't

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01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: tell yourself that your gift to everybody else and die

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Speaker 2: empty and what was the need of coming out if

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Speaker 2: you're not gonna come up? You're right, You're right about that,

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Speaker 2: you feel me. Yeah, that's that's my gift to you.

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01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 2: I appreciate you for that. Yeah, I'm claying for myself

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 1: You know I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I'd have

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01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: left some smoke on the ground. I didn't. I didn't

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01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 1: did some stuff, yeah, you know. And I don't never

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Speaker 1: look at it like that. I just be like focusing

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Speaker 1: on the next thing and just creating new stuff and

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Speaker 1: just and not even because I normalize what I do,

1347
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: like you could do it too, He could do it,

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01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 1: and it's not that easy. I did that.

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Speaker 2: You're describing me to a p But there's a difference

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01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 2: between busyness and business. Yeah, it's a totally difference. Busyness

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01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 2: can be a way of avoiding yourself. Yeah, so I

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01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: got so I gotta be here, and I gotta be there,

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01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 2: and I gotta be the other and I gotta be there.

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Speaker 2: And now I'm down time tom sleep. When I get

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Speaker 2: them in the morning, I gotta get to this. I

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01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 2: gotta do that. And all the while the clock is

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01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 2: ticking and you look around and the crows street are

1358
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 2: for me. And one morning you wake up and you

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01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 2: look in the mirror and your hair is white. You're

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01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 2: sprained in the ankle, or you pull your hipsucket out

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01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: of joint trying to kick a ball, and all of

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01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 2: a sudden you realize the time is the most precious

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01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 2: gift you have. Please, sir, do not waste it on

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Speaker 2: saving the world and losing you.

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Speaker 1: I'm not Yeah, I promise you that I ain't doing that. Good. Good,

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Speaker 1: you already lost twenty years. Yeah, I ain't doing that.

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Speaker 2: So the Bible says, God said, I will restore unto

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Speaker 2: you the years that the kankerworm and the palmer worm

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Speaker 2: and the locusts heayd up, he said, I'll give you.

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Speaker 2: I'll give him back to you. It may not be

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Speaker 2: in days, but I'll do more in the days you

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01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 2: got left than in the days you lost. Expect that,

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Speaker 2: Enjoy that, Clap for that. And if you can't find

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Speaker 2: anybody that will clap for you, or take you out

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01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,799
Speaker 2: to dinner or send you a card, mail yourself a card.

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Speaker 1: Take myself out to dinner.

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01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, to take care to dinner and do something wonderful

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01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 2: and look at the take pictures, because you are history,

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01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 2: your history in the making, and some little boy somewhere

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Speaker 2: fifty years from now it's going to read about you,

1381
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 2: and his eyes are going to be a blaze, but

1382
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 2: he's not going to know that your eyes never lit

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01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,879
Speaker 2: up for yourself.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 2: By the time I realized what I had done, I

1386
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 2: had already done it. And while I was doing it,

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01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 2: I was so busy running it.

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01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: He was in it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even see it. I did all kinds of

1390
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 2: stuff that I missed, And now I'm finally getting to see.

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Speaker 1: Everything that you miss Yeah, everything out I missed.

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Speaker 2: They mattered so much that I had a heart attack

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Speaker 2: on stage, and all I wanted to do was get

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01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 2: the mic in my hand to calm them down while

1395
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 2: I was dying.

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01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: What is that?

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01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a massive heart attack reaching for them.

1398
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: And the problem with it, and this is what Michael Jackson,

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01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 2: James Brown, all the greats you find out. The problem

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: is you give all of yourself to them, and they

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01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 2: take all you will give and walk away. And you

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01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 2: will try to get everything out of one person that

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01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 2: you gave to millions. And it's too much to expect

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01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 2: one person to replace all the virtue that went out

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01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 2: helping other people. God does a lot of it. Well done,

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01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 2: good and faithful servant, But that's on the other side.

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01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 2: Before you cross over to the other side. Smell the roses,

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Speaker 2: a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah you yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: a picture with you laying in a bunch of roses

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01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: and now ain't gonna man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. That was a good one. I think

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Speaker 2: we did a good job. Let's clip for ourselves. We

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Speaker 2: don't know whether y'all cloud brothers or not. But when

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Speaker 2: me for me, listen, let me do this one thing,

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Speaker 2: one final time. I want to remind you arm with

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Speaker 2: from the Wallow. You get the whole deal. And this

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Speaker 2: your uncle, your nephew, or even you as a woman.

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Speaker 2: It's genderless. Everybody goes to their own kind of hell

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Speaker 2: before they get out of here.

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Speaker 2: you for watching the Next Chapter podcast. If this conversation

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