WEBVTT - Smoked w/ Hayley McFarland

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 3>These are our stories, done done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yay, that's messed up. And that's why did I just

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<v Speaker 2>forget the name of my podcast? That's us up, that's

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<v Speaker 2>View Podcasts. We're here episode two ten.

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<v Speaker 4>Baby. My name is Liza Traeger and I'm Kara Klank.

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<v Speaker 1>And in case you decided to hop on at episode

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<v Speaker 1>two ten, I'll tell you what we do here. We

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<v Speaker 1>recap an episode of SVU. We dive into the true

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<v Speaker 1>crimes that it was based on, and we talked to

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<v Speaker 1>a guest from the show. And today's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode is awesome today. But before we get into it,

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<v Speaker 1>we just like to chat a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wow, it's so funny, you said, if someone just

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<v Speaker 2>dives in. Because I was at my coffee shop, and

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<v Speaker 2>if a few you know, you watch my Instant stories,

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<v Speaker 2>you might have heard this. But I'm wearing my sv

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<v Speaker 2>sweatshirt with an it like, I mean, it's such a

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<v Speaker 2>good crap. Like the fact that Melinda and bet Wong

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<v Speaker 2>are in this it's just like my favorite aunt Craigan.

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<v Speaker 4>It's my favorite sweatsher. I mean, JK, my iced one is.

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<v Speaker 2>But she was like, lol iced Tea and Marishka they're

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<v Speaker 2>not really on it. That's like a weird group. I go,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about? I go, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>core group. She goes, but they haven't really worked together.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, they've he's been on since season two. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been on and he goes, but what about that guy?

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<v Speaker 2>I go, I go, much is dead? I go, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you not know about any of this? She goes, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>so you like know about this? It's not just like

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<v Speaker 2>a hipster shirt. I go, no, it's from the NBC store,

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<v Speaker 2>not a hipster shirt, babe.

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<v Speaker 1>I only said name three songs, and you were like,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck off.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell you everything, you dumb bitch. I see,

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<v Speaker 2>and Marishka haven't been in it. Yeah, if you're listening,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember you no. But then I go, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>actually have a podcast, and I told her about I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about to go recap an episode right now, and

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<v Speaker 2>so welcome if if you've decided, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I just don't know even where you got the information.

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<v Speaker 1>That Marishka and Ica don't ever work together and aren't

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<v Speaker 1>the full main two characters of the show.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she said like she likes this other show,

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<v Speaker 2>and I go, oh, what's this other show? Assuming it

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<v Speaker 2>was like a Criminal Minds or a Bones, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like what, But it was like following people that are

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<v Speaker 2>getting married for green cards around and I go, what why?

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<v Speaker 2>This has nothing to do with anything the fuck? But

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we have a new listener, so welcome listen.

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<v Speaker 4>You're recruiting them one by one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we obviously have a lot to talk about. It's

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<v Speaker 2>post Taylor, but I do have to say. I'm in Toronto.

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<v Speaker 2>I land drop stuff off at the hotel, a quick change,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get into the city. Let's get into town. And

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<v Speaker 2>I see Bella Caresi in a window of a cafe.

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<v Speaker 4>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well yeah, but I'm letting the listeners know. I

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<v Speaker 2>saw Bella Caresi and it was it took us o.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I know her, I know her, And

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<v Speaker 2>then I went I think she's from Homeland, which she is,

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<v Speaker 2>which that was an exciting brain power of mine. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And then like forty five minutes into my lunch, I

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<v Speaker 2>went it's Bella Caresi, And so it.

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<v Speaker 4>Was a thrill.

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<v Speaker 1>The IMDb of your brain just clicked in during during soup.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it is so funny that like a like

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<v Speaker 2>your my Passion shirt can be a hipster shirt that

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<v Speaker 2>you spend one hundred and fifty dollars on at a

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<v Speaker 2>vintage shop.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>yeah for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and I know everyone wants to know about Taylor,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm trying to get some other stuff off because

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<v Speaker 2>once I start, I feel like I'm not gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>able to stop.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Casey's waving every flag he can find.

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<v Speaker 2>So also, I went vintage shopping in my neighborhood in

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<v Speaker 2>New York and I found the exact shoot, not like

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<v Speaker 2>from the set, but the exact Manolo blonics that Carrie

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<v Speaker 2>Bradshaw was meant to take off at the baby shower episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, the baby. So I put them on.

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<v Speaker 2>It was exciting. They were a size too big. I

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<v Speaker 2>honestly would have bought them for whatever I think. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I would have gotten them, but it was it

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<v Speaker 2>was a thrill. That's cool, that's cool. The other thing

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<v Speaker 2>that's not Taylor that I just want to squeeze in

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<v Speaker 2>is So. I you know, there's this tattoo artist I've

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<v Speaker 2>been following for a while, obsessed, and they posted a

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<v Speaker 2>flash sheet and and I wrote, oh my god, love

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<v Speaker 2>it come to New York. I get an email from

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<v Speaker 2>the tattoo artist being like, hey, I'm gonna be in

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<v Speaker 2>New York in February, Like, these are the dates? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to schedule? I go, oh my god, what

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<v Speaker 2>a thrill. I'm thinking this the size, these dates work

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<v Speaker 2>for me. I get back it's like, we need this

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<v Speaker 2>deposit and then we'll schedule a zoom to talk about stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And I get the deposit infhone. I look at the

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<v Speaker 2>email and something about it. I go, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>about this, and I DM the tattoo artist with a screenshot, going, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>before I venmo the money, I just want to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure this is you.

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<v Speaker 4>She goes, that's definitely not me.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, so, how so somebody hacked her and DMed you

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<v Speaker 1>from her account?

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<v Speaker 4>No, it was a Gmail. That's what made me suspicious.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like her tattoo art was the like the photo,

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<v Speaker 2>it was her the name of the tattoo at Gmail.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was But I have a Gmail, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a legit person, so it's not like it's not an

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<v Speaker 2>absolute indicator. But before I before I send three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>fifty dollars deposit.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I'm so glad you fucking got the spidy sense

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<v Speaker 1>and you.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I got a lot of Spidey sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was like the pape, the Venmo of it all,

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<v Speaker 2>And then it was like why wouldn't she have DMed?

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<v Speaker 2>But also the name for the Venmo was a man's name,

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<v Speaker 2>and I go, this isn't a man. There's no amat

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't I don't know who the artist is,

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<v Speaker 2>like I've never seen them. It's just their work. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's a woman. It's like, so it's like there's no way.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so then I just wrote like nice try

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<v Speaker 2>winky face, but uh close.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I like that you gave your uh you gave

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<v Speaker 1>the criminal a little bit of a wink on the

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<v Speaker 1>way out.

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<v Speaker 4>That's listen. It's a good scam like to.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wonder if they saw it and were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>let's try to get Like I wonder if this is

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<v Speaker 2>their usual scam or if it was an opportunity crime,

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<v Speaker 2>like a crime of opportunity, Like I'm just curious, or

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<v Speaker 2>if they scan tattoo pages constantly looking for desperate people

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<v Speaker 2>like me being like come to my town or.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or they go to this girl's page and they

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<v Speaker 1>just try to find anybody that they that has commented

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<v Speaker 1>or shared any of her content and they set up

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<v Speaker 1>a little email to look like it. Yeah, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, scammer, be careful, guys. We are living in

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<v Speaker 1>the golden age of the scam honestly, honestly, wait, can

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<v Speaker 1>I say really quickly before we get.

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<v Speaker 4>Into I think you should and then you should have yeah, yeah, question.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw Wicked. Yeah, I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was so good, and I will be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>I have never seen a movie musical that is better

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<v Speaker 1>than the stage for me, and I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>it's better than this, because like I loved seeing Wicked

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<v Speaker 1>on Broadway so much, but this movie is like gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so amazingly done. It's really pretty. And Cynthia

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<v Speaker 1>Revo is really great. I'm not like, I'm not the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest Ariana fan. I'm not like a not a fan.

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<v Speaker 1>But she really kills it too. They're both really great.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy who's Fierro is great. I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit. You know, Michelle Yo can't sing,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's amazing. Jeff Goldblum can't really sing, but he's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand in movies, you gotta know that.

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<v Speaker 2>They both got than Cynthia. No, that's the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I saw a post that was like Arianna made

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<v Speaker 2>a fifteen million and Cynthia made a million. And then

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<v Speaker 2>of course it's like, well she is a drawn. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like it doesn't fucking matter. Hopefully she gets a back

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<v Speaker 2>end deal. Her agents are crazy, like, but this happened

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<v Speaker 2>in the Barbie movie where it was like Serai two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand dollars or something like they fucking do this

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<v Speaker 2>to black women all the time. Oh my, But people

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<v Speaker 2>kept being like all right on arian And then it's

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<v Speaker 2>like to find out these two side characters made more

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<v Speaker 2>than Cynthia. Hopefully it's not real, Hopefully it's online. But

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<v Speaker 2>my friend who I trusted, post this, So yeah, it's annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because she's literally the heart of the whole movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Is like it she like even though it is like

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<v Speaker 1>about the two, it's like Cynthia Rivo's character like Alpha,

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<v Speaker 1>but is like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Main yes, of course, you know, like she is spinning

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<v Speaker 2>in the air live singh sons. I mean they are

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<v Speaker 2>very pretentious. She is very pretentious. Like these interviews are insane.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like I've never she is the most theater

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<v Speaker 2>person I think I've ever witnessed doing press in my fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>You sound like someone who's not holding space for the

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<v Speaker 1>lyrics of defying gravity right now?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, but holding a finger I love holding

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<v Speaker 2>a finger holding.

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<v Speaker 1>I was telling I was describing it to Jared, and

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<v Speaker 1>I go, not only is it so funny because this

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<v Speaker 1>woman brings up this completely, this completely word salady woo

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<v Speaker 1>woo thing about holding space for song lyrics. Then they go, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that was happening. Their reaction is so serious.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the woman who was interviewing them goes, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw a couple of posts. A couple of posts, what

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<v Speaker 1>are we talking about? And then there's the finger touch.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like every single piece of it is like its

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<v Speaker 1>own meme. It's so funny. I love that so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched it a bunch of times. But the movie

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<v Speaker 1>is excellent. I'm excited. It's two hours and forty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even notice I didn't even notice. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>usually like, at hour ninety, I'm like, how many more

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<v Speaker 1>minutes do we have left? And I didn't notice. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it away excellent. Bowen is so funny in it.

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<v Speaker 1>He seems like he's improvising, and he's got a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of little moments in there.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great. It's great. SpongeBob, you know he's in there.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's good. But I'm seeing it the friday after.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to implement a green and pink dress code

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<v Speaker 2>for the family, but only the grandmas have responded.

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<v Speaker 4>I am being shunned.

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<v Speaker 2>I am being shunned, but I think we should wear

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<v Speaker 2>green and pink.

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<v Speaker 4>Why not, let's take a photo, like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's kind of the final it's the rush

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<v Speaker 2>to the inauguration, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>What I mean. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's really all. Get it all done well, speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of things that well buy.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what I was gonna say, though, really quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>because you just said inauguration.

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<v Speaker 5>Though.

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<v Speaker 1>It is wild when you're watching Wicked, how much it

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<v Speaker 1>just maps up right to politics, Like it really is right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's perfect, Like it's in the least in the first

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<v Speaker 1>part Glinda is like white women who voted for Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>and like the Wizard is like it's crazy. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a snake oil salesman, like it's crazy. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought that was really like spooky. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>Casey just gave us the ten minute flag, which means

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<v Speaker 1>we need to get into Taylor.

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<v Speaker 4>I have not talked to you. I've seen the social media.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming were there any major issues, hicc hops, anything

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<v Speaker 1>or was it like smooth sailing?

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<v Speaker 4>I love that that's your No, nothing went wrong. It

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<v Speaker 4>was great.

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<v Speaker 2>All my preparation thought I did, everything worked out perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, yeah, it was the best, and you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioning things flying by, like it went by so fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time she would go into a new song or era,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like stop, stop, I'm ready, like I need a moment,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it just went by so fast and was so

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<v Speaker 2>perfect and great. I also want to say it is

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<v Speaker 2>so wholesome, like all the outfits are so fun, like

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been I don't think it's to a concert

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<v Speaker 2>where people are that. Like everyone is intentional about their dressing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like even the most casual it's a shirt,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a nod Or. It's people that came super early

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<v Speaker 2>to get the tour exclusive merch, you know, the blue

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<v Speaker 2>brunetts and the half.

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<v Speaker 4>Tips, like it really is so cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I would say from the flight immediately, like

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<v Speaker 2>there was like a lot of people, like you could

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<v Speaker 2>tell that we're going, and like our hotel had balloons

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<v Speaker 2>that said eras and disco balls and step in repeats

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<v Speaker 2>and bead making stations and everything was just like full tailor.

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<v Speaker 2>They had tailor drag brunch like it was. They were

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<v Speaker 2>support an economy. It's a full economy. It fully is

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<v Speaker 2>because outside of the concert, this was the I also

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<v Speaker 2>thank you everyone that came to my show. That was

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<v Speaker 2>really fun and exciting. And are you guys do not

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<v Speaker 2>have to bring presents. Do not feel obliged. You do

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<v Speaker 2>not have to give me drugs. Appreciate it of course.

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<v Speaker 2>The thoughtfulness. I mean you saw the Moodang, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>someone three D printed and hand painted a fucking Moodang

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<v Speaker 2>with Taylor bracelets on its little little pause. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even, I can't even, but yeah, just like

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<v Speaker 2>such cute stuff and fun bracelets. But anyways, overall, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the shopping, I got a trench, like the vintage. The

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<v Speaker 2>food I had the best wrenches. Like we were out

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<v Speaker 2>and about like every little store, every neighborhood, every park,

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<v Speaker 2>like it was just crisp, gorgeous, Like I love Toronto,

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<v Speaker 2>such good food.

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<v Speaker 4>And I know I want to go. I gotta go

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<v Speaker 4>spend more time there.

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<v Speaker 2>All the restaurants too that have like the best food,

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<v Speaker 2>like chill Ambiance, cool little kitchy lamps and art and

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<v Speaker 2>Seinfeld playing on the TVs. You know I bought I

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<v Speaker 2>bought Amrchat from one of the bars. So Taylor the

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<v Speaker 2>tram to get like that. They have street cars. The

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<v Speaker 2>stop was right outside our hotel, straight shop, like thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>minute walk, then to the arena and then like to

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<v Speaker 2>the stadium.

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<v Speaker 4>Excuse me.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's cool is like I asked a worker outside,

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<v Speaker 2>I go, hey, we're like gate five and six, and

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<v Speaker 2>she goes, but you want to see the big Arab beads, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're like yeah, and so she led us like

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<v Speaker 2>they just everyone was in. We got to see the

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<v Speaker 2>big puffy beads from I think New Orleans. So that

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<v Speaker 2>was really exciting. And then so no line to go

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<v Speaker 2>in at all. The seats are incredible. The teens next

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<v Speaker 2>to us took such good photos of us. She goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna use flash and then I was like, I've

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<v Speaker 2>never looked better in my life. And then like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>these teens are incredible, if you know, these two glitter

0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:43.320
<v Speaker 2>boat teens fantastic women. And then we are immediately with

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<v Speaker 2>like a set of parents from Hawaii. They came from

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<v Speaker 2>Hawaii with their daughter and daughter's husband to do this

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<v Speaker 2>like show and they ended up being a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of our experience there because they got blacked out.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh my god, I love it. Why I was

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<v Speaker 1>hoping you would make seat mate friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it was like she just got blacked out

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<v Speaker 2>and just was like come to Hawaii, and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>you need to shut the fuck up, Like I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Play around, Like I don't really play around.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was like a dad and daughter next to it,

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<v Speaker 2>like everyone was just cute little kids in cosplay.

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<v Speaker 4>There was like a glitter guy with his girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a couple that looked really like upset in

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<v Speaker 2>the front of us, But I feel like they got

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<v Speaker 2>into a fight. I have no idea fight at eras

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<v Speaker 2>come on before or they could just be wet blankets

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<v Speaker 2>as people but I was just yea, sucks to be

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<v Speaker 2>them anyways. So that we went to walk around, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I was not drinking at all because of the

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<v Speaker 2>peace situation. I did get like like I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>fuck Oh yes, what happened with that?

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing? I didn't people never went.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. I went twice before the show and once after

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Not that so not even a thing I knew.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to watch Grace okay, but the merch

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<v Speaker 2>lines were bananas, and I resigned not to.

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<v Speaker 4>Go to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I have enough bullshit, like I really don't

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<v Speaker 2>need this to complete the experience. But then it was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get something from my niece. And then oh,

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<v Speaker 2>but what about the TTPD shirt?

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<v Speaker 5>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>So then it's like trying to think about the lines along.

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<v Speaker 2>And then as we were exiting the bathroom, they were

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<v Speaker 2>reconfiguring the merch lines in a way where we snuck

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<v Speaker 2>right into the middle of the line. What some we

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<v Speaker 2>only waited a half an hour? Wow, it was like incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>I got the shirt I wanted, Like I couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>I got an all beef kosher dog with a little

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<v Speaker 2>bottle of water, sat down and it was like I

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<v Speaker 2>finished the hot dog as the clock came on, and

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<v Speaker 2>like Lady Gaga played.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it was like incredible. Who opened well gra

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<v Speaker 4>c Abrams jj Abram's daughter, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know that's who she is, Okay, okay, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>hearing about her.

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<v Speaker 4>I Love close to You.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great song and I heard it while I

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<v Speaker 2>was in line to get a hot dog. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>watching jj abrams daughter live out her fantasies, like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>You could be a fan of hers, I will refuse

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<v Speaker 2>so like but she plays. Gaga's applause is the last

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<v Speaker 2>song before the like the two thirty Cops. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>so once that plays, you know it's coming. That's like

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<v Speaker 2>her pump up song. And it was just like joyous

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<v Speaker 2>from the start. It was so cool. She is a

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<v Speaker 2>Disney princess. She looks amazing. I loved singing everything. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just awesome. It couldn't have been better. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what to say. I gotta get by it. Nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty nine I would say was the most electric era

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of like every I'm getting get together, but JK,

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<v Speaker 2>August and Willow rocked my socks off, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>facetimes Tommy Max shout out for all two well, the

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<v Speaker 2>ten minute version. It is his favorite song. So that

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<v Speaker 2>was a thrill, but I didn't want it to end.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so cool.

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<v Speaker 4>I love the song.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the secret songs, the guitar one, it was

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<v Speaker 2>mister Perfectly Fine from Red and I like don't Care

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<v Speaker 2>and then better than Revenge from Speaking Out, which I

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<v Speaker 2>did like.

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<v Speaker 4>So that was exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>But two of my dream songs were played on different

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<v Speaker 2>nights of Toronto, so two songs that were in my

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<v Speaker 2>top four were played, just not when I was there.

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<v Speaker 6>And Marishka was at a night of Toronto, I know, well,

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<v Speaker 6>I think Sutton from Beverly Hills was there the night

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<v Speaker 6>I was there because her post is like the outfit

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<v Speaker 6>I also, I mean, I feel psychotic for having these opinions,

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<v Speaker 6>but it's like, yeah, I was happy to see the

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<v Speaker 6>outfits I saw, like I loved our Midnights, the Midnight's

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<v Speaker 6>body suit.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved my lover body suit like I liked the

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<v Speaker 2>outfits that she chose for us. And then the piano

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<v Speaker 2>secret song was State of Grace from Red and Labyrinth,

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<v Speaker 2>which I like from midnights, which was fine. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't care, you know, I like better than Revenge, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was fun and special. But then she like dives

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<v Speaker 2>into the fake water and like that's cool and like

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<v Speaker 2>fake swims.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I liked.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I'm glad I didn't watch the concert movie because

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<v Speaker 2>all the visuals were really surprising, and like, oh, all

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<v Speaker 2>the backup and also these backup dancers lucky, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>barely having to dance, barely a move, like they're obviously talented,

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<v Speaker 2>not really, but like if they were doing Beyonce, I

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<v Speaker 2>bet they would be tired every night. I kind of

0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:12.399
<v Speaker 2>skipping around doing musical theater. It's like, yeah, we're a

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<v Speaker 2>nice gath, We're a.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice bath after Beyonce, I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not saying it's not physically taxing and they're

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<v Speaker 2>not doing beautiful work, but it is, like, I bet

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<v Speaker 2>it's a great gig to have. I loved our Willow

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<v Speaker 2>dress like I did like all the outfits she chose

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<v Speaker 2>for us.

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<v Speaker 4>I love when she runs the stage for August I

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<v Speaker 4>mean that.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was one seat empty in our rows, so

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of got I didn't get the aisle, which

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<v Speaker 2>I usually love, but I had a little extra.

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<v Speaker 4>Room to dance because one person didn't show up. Can

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<v Speaker 4>you imagine these tickets are so much?

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<v Speaker 2>I just assume it's like a terrible accident. Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>where my brain goes. I'm like, oh, I mean why

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<v Speaker 2>else or you would try to make you know, cash

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 4>So I love it. Don't blame respond. It's true.

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<v Speaker 2>All our outfits were good, and then we had like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my show the next day, good food, and

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<v Speaker 2>then that Saturday before a flight, it was like a

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<v Speaker 2>full day. I got twelve thousand, I got like between

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<v Speaker 2>eight and twelve thousand steps every single day in our

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<v Speaker 2>name Whoa.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you got to see all the people still

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<v Speaker 2>coming into the hotel. There was still tit playing tailor

0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.720
<v Speaker 2>and non stop all the stores. Every waitress had all

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<v Speaker 2>the bracelets like I gave them to flight attendants, Like

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was covered in bracelets all over the city and airport.

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<v Speaker 4>It was pretty fun and that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>And all the TSA people, like everyone knew, They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're here for the show.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean everyone was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like it's truly like a phenomenon, like

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. It's really cool. I'm glad you got

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<v Speaker 1>to go. I'm so glad that it like went off

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<v Speaker 1>without a hitch.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, no, in terms of like no line there,

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<v Speaker 2>like every anxiety I ever have about concerts did not

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<v Speaker 2>happen here, and it felt just so chill. And I

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<v Speaker 2>do also wonder if Canada had something to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the chillness. Like, yeah, I do feel like people yell

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<v Speaker 2>more in America in terms of people that workout venues.

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<v Speaker 4>There's definitely more of a niceness for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, little kids in glitter everywhere, just giving them

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<v Speaker 2>bracelets like so fucking cute. Yeah, Toronto just like was

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<v Speaker 2>awesome and my show is awesome and I got to

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<v Speaker 2>throw out bracelets.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you know what else?

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<v Speaker 3>I love?

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<v Speaker 2>There are certain songs where she just does like the

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<v Speaker 2>bridge and chorus, like she doesn't do the beginning songs

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<v Speaker 2>or all the other verses, like she just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>does like the part everyone loves to sing and then

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<v Speaker 2>move on, got it? Yeah, yes, because there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>songs so like bad Blood and Elicit Affairs, she just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of does the parts that we want to sing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's like when I went to see Mariah Carrie,

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<v Speaker 1>she just did like thirty minutes of like a montage

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<v Speaker 1>of all her best songs of like that weren't Christmasy,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was like, you know, it was like amazing

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<v Speaker 1>giving people what they want, you know, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And the energy was just select her. And on the

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<v Speaker 2>way out, I ordered Domino's. That was way to at

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<v Speaker 2>the hotel. When we got back, ready there the tram

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<v Speaker 2>was easy, Like it really was just a phenomenal experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, it sounds like Toronto maybe is your new Orlando,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe you're gonna move there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the Gadbury, the drug stores, you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>the little experiences of being in a different country are

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<v Speaker 2>fun too.

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<v Speaker 4>That's awesome. Well, I'm glad you had such a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>I was obviously following stories and it looked awesome. But

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<v Speaker 1>before we get started, just want to shout out this

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<v Speaker 1>episode's coming out on December tenth and December twelfth is

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<v Speaker 1>the last day that you can order merch from our

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<v Speaker 1>store while and get it there in time for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're if you're a person that celebrates Christmas,

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<v Speaker 1>or you'd like to have it by December twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>place an order today or tomorrow and get that in.

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<v Speaker 1>We have our do you have children detective stuff? We

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<v Speaker 1>have some cute stickers left over. We have our Christmas ornament.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not too late to get that up on your tree.

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<v Speaker 1>And oh I got to ask them to send us one.

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<v Speaker 1>I want one, but uh, because we're getting our tree

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<v Speaker 1>this week, baby. And yeah, so go to That's messed

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<v Speaker 1>Up live dot com or the link in our Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>bio that has our shop link. You can also check

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<v Speaker 1>out Lisa's going to be in Red Bank on the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth and I don't know everything else Brooklyn on the twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, what a fun little Christmas show.

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<v Speaker 2>Then just in life, like you know, I will be

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<v Speaker 2>touring next year. I think there's yeah, tons of emails

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<v Speaker 2>I have to respond to and confirm a bunch of dates.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so get on there and then yeah, get

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<v Speaker 1>and and That's messed Up Live dot Com also has

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<v Speaker 1>a link to like Lisa's website that tells you all

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<v Speaker 1>the dates and stuff, which it takes to your link

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<v Speaker 1>tree which has all your dates. And uh, I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>doing my other show called Who's the Bitch If you

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<v Speaker 1>guys want to give that a listen as well.

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<v Speaker 4>It's on the Last Podcast Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me a listen over there, and yeah, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's holiday seasons are going great so far. Let's dive

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<v Speaker 1>into today's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Al Right, we are doing smoked Season twelve, episode twenty four.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you don't really eat smoked things, do you. Uh uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff that smoked is really not for me. You know,

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like even smoked mozzarella. I'm like, nah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well I'm diving in Season twelve, episode twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four a finale.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, we're in for a ride a huge, huge

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<v Speaker 4>jep A cannon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, this would be you know, yeah, nine one

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<v Speaker 2>one is in cannon.

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<v Speaker 4>This one just some like high end episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were gonna make like a time capsule of

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 1>like SVU episodes like this one would be going in

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<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>One hondo.

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<v Speaker 2>So it starts with a mom and daughter walking after

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<v Speaker 2>getting a prom dress, and the mom is so grateful

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.960
<v Speaker 2>to be getting her daughter a good dress and she's

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<v Speaker 2>a good girl who's not planning on drinking, and the

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<v Speaker 2>mom is very proud of her.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you drink a prom? I didn't go to prom?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you didn't, Okay, I drink?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I would have bet my money on that one

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<v Speaker 4>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So the daughter says, well, I'm proud of you too,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna do great next week. And right at

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<v Speaker 2>that moment, a man with a hoodie breaks them apart.

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<v Speaker 2>The mom does a tug of war with the purse

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<v Speaker 2>and then finally lets him have it, but he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>walk away. He walks right up onto her and shoots

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<v Speaker 2>her straight in the head and leaves the daughter and

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<v Speaker 2>runs off. The girl is obviously upset her mom has

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<v Speaker 2>been shot and is bleeding out of a violent killing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's very so gruesome. Yeah, it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even really get how they do it because

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<v Speaker 1>it goes right up to her head and like then

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<v Speaker 1>she goes back and you immediately see the bullet hole,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a it's it was a lot, very nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's upsetting. Benson and Stabler are on the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>They're ducking under caution tape, ready to work. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>no sex crimes, so what are they doing here? The

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:26.199
<v Speaker 2>victim's daughter specifically asked for Benson and Stabler to be

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.119
<v Speaker 2>called Benson Caesar sitting on the back of the ambulance

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:32.160
<v Speaker 2>and goes, oh my god, that's Jenna Fox. She runs

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<v Speaker 2>into Olivia's arms. She's crying and you know he killed

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<v Speaker 2>my mom. Stabler says Annette Fox. Her rape trial was

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<v Speaker 2>starting next week to the EMT and the girl cries

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<v Speaker 2>into Benson's arms, right, you know, up until the credits.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're back and we're at the office. Benson's comforting

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<v Speaker 2>Jenna in wood room blinds. Stabler is in the outside

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<v Speaker 2>glass like damn. You know, we had an open and

0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:02.400
<v Speaker 2>shut case until now. And this happened two years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It went to she went to a grand opening of

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<v Speaker 2>a salon in Soho. The Ada says, oh Luke ronson

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<v Speaker 2>a stylist who thinks he's a rock star. I'm familiar

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<v Speaker 2>now this eightya. Who are you a girl?

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<v Speaker 4>Who are you? Sherry West?

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 2>She's played by Francy Swift in five episodes, and she's

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<v Speaker 2>not even in the first or second of the Nondescript

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<v Speaker 2>nor Memorable Adas. She's in third place of who is

0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 2>this woman? But she's here, She's here. You do not

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:41.200
<v Speaker 2>know her, Okay, she is just an inanimate kind of woman.

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 2>This is so rude. She's a human. But it's just

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 2>funny that they had a parade of women that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really work out. And is that when they brought in Barbara, Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>My god, I like don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel like Habit and Novak were just so

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<v Speaker 2>good and they weren't really able to crack that energy again.

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<v Speaker 4>With these same women.

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<v Speaker 1>They were definitely trying, and like Jillian Hardwick, like all

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.880
<v Speaker 1>these other ones, like it just wasn't was not popping.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Finn says, yeah, and he's a rapist. And then

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<v Speaker 2>so what Ronson did is invites her to the back,

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<v Speaker 2>and next thing she knows, she's waking up in a

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<v Speaker 2>cab with pain. And if you guys are wondering, like, wow,

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 2>is Liza struggling to breathe? I am. My nose is stuffed.

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 2>I am struggling. So if I sound underwater, it's how

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<v Speaker 2>I feel. Ronson invites her to the back, and next

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.200
<v Speaker 2>thing she knows, she's waking up in the cab. There's

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 2>pain and the pant and also pain and panties together.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very hard to say, but the panties are ripped.

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<v Speaker 2>There was GHB in her bloodstream, and they found JHB

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<v Speaker 2>at the salon. Him and his trainer claimed they used

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 2>GHB in the gym okay, but Finn knows when the

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 2>mom hit the stand, the guy would go behind bars.

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<v Speaker 4>But why did the case take two years?

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<v Speaker 2>So basically a lot of diversionary emotions and a lot

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 2>of tactics to delay. So it's all very suspicious that

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>there was like this perse snatch a week before the trial,

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 2>but no one buys it. There's two security cameras, but

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 2>we do need Jenna, so we're back in woodroom blinds.

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 2>She sadly did not see his face, and she's doing

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 2>the classic like I should have done this, I should

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 2>have done that, And Benson's like, girl, you would have

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:27.959
<v Speaker 2>been dead too, so we need you here and you

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 2>did everything right. Stabler goes, hey, like before tonight, did anything? Okay,

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 2>that's not the tone. Okay, So Stabler's like, hey, what

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 2>up girl?

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<v Speaker 5>Hey?

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 4>Boom boom.

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Stabler's like, you know, has anything weird happened before tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess last week she did see someone staring

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 2>at her in the dark on a sidewalk in the house. Yeah,

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 2>that's fucking crazy. They also were getting a lot of

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>prank phone call and then she calls him a gutlass

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 2>prick and Finn finds proof of eighty seven calls to

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>the mom's cell thirty six to the landline, all from

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the same number. Of course, a disposable phone, but this

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 2>phone was bought one block from Luke's salon. So let's

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 2>see what this dirt bag has to say for himself.

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Stabler go to harass them at work, and

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 2>he is, you know, a big classy hairstylist, straight man vibes.

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 2>And I know this man as a fellow or a fellow.

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 2>No one here is doing this as a former salon receptionist.

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 2>There's always like one super hot straight man stylist and

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 2>he's usually got some funky tattoos and a little haircut,

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 2>and it's a vibe.

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 4>It's a vibe. Yeah.

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 1>One of Jared's old coworkers who's like beautiful and like

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>friends with like a lot of famous people. She married

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>a big male hairstylist like this exact vibe. But I

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>don't think this guy necessarily has. He's not hot, but like, yes,

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So if Isaac Fromilio Salon, if anyone remembers him and

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 2>you listen to this podcast, I want to know where

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 2>you're at.

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 4>But I'm curious. I am curious.

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So they obviously screamed really loud for everyone to

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 2>hear about the rape trial At the salon, he calls

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 2>the rape a misunderstanding. They bring up the murder. He

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 2>acts like he has no idea she's dead. He was

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 2>having dinner with his publicist, Marriette.

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 4>It's not a name.

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 2>His lawyer yells, don't say another word, Luke as he

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 2>waddles his way in. It's Hashi Horowitz, all right, and

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 2>he's wearing a Columbo style trench and Stabler says, oh,

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 2>here comes the douchebag.

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 4>So they know they have to leave.

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 2>But before they go, Benson says, be careful, ladies, he

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 2>might shoot you in the head during your die job.

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 2>So we gotta go talk to the publicist. They did

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 2>have dinner. She's at a sexy bast skeball shoot for

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 2>a client. This woman's in a mini dress dunking. So

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 2>that's really cool.

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 4>Isn't it. So this is one of those scenes where

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm like.

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 1>They set up this whole thing just as background, like

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 1>they cast somebody. They set up a full photo shoot

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 1>as background, just so the stylist could have something to do.

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they could have met the stylist outside of

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 1>her office building.

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean.

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>But instead they're like a woman a model is dunking

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 1>like they like they really spare no no detail or expense.

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 2>NBC Baby, big Bucks, big Bucks. Dinner was done by

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 2>seven point thirty, she says, and then he went to

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Saint Anne's. He volunteers at the homeless shelter every Tuesday

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>for the last two years. And Benson's like, oh so

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 2>right after he got caught raping, good idea pre girl.

0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 2>She goes, no, he's a giver. You're wrong about him.

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 2>So they go to the homeless shelter, and of course

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 2>sister Peg is there. She's obsessed with this guy. He

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 2>cuts hair for the homeless and checks for lice and

0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, it makes people feel good about them elves

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 2>and ready for job interviews and that he's a good man.

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Staber's like, okay, but he is also a rapist, and

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Sister Peg is like, you know, all people are accused

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 2>and all convicted, YadA YadA, and it's like, fuck off, bitch.

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 4>You know how the system.

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Works, and it's like stacked against victims of sex crimes,

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 2>So like, don't play these accusation games. But you know

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 2>what do I know, but she has to take all

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 2>the help she can get, she says. So Stabler wants

0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 2>to know who he gave cuts to the Tuesday of

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 2>the shooting, but she says that he had to leave

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 2>a leave abruptly, that he was doing the cuts and

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 2>then left. So Stabler has a sly look. Well, who

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 2>was his last haircut? And it was someone named Eddie Skinner.

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 2>So this guy has long, shaggy hair and is in

0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 2>the shelter attitude. He goes, you know, I didn't get

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 2>a cut, and he says, I didn't want to cut

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>that day because Luke felt preoccupied and you know, he

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 2>wasn't interested, but he and he left in a rush

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 2>and ran for the door. But when he grabbed his bag,

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 2>he felt like he saw a gun in the bad

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 2>and so and an amazing character choice. The guy SIPs

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 2>coffee and then spits it all back out into the cup.

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:09.839
<v Speaker 4>I just like this guy. I have no comment on it.

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I've noticed that too, and I was like, this is funny.

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 4>This guy is good.

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:17.839
<v Speaker 1>This guy, this actor's name is Michael Raymond James and

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>he has like only fifty five credits, but like he's

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 1>been in like not only only that's a ton.

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 4>That's a ton. But he was.

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.439
<v Speaker 1>He was a big character on OC. There was a

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>season two of OC. He was like a big boss

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>of like of I think, like an Armenium crime family

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>or some kind of crime maybe a Greek crime family.

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 1>But he is like the head of it for eight episodes.

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 1>He's very scary, but he's also in I don't know,

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 1>like tons of other stuff. Once Upon a Time was

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>a big show. He was on for like thirty five episodes.

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Whow So we go to Luke Ronson's house, okay, hairstylas

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 2>and the maid doesn't want to let them search, uh,

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:57.800
<v Speaker 2>but it's and she really.

0:34:57.600 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 4>Has his back for some reason.

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 2>But being oh, they find everything they need, a nine

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 2>millimeter right next to a box of amo the black

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 2>hooded sweatshirt. So back to the salon they go, you know,

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:11.800
<v Speaker 2>drop the scissors. He's acting cocky, but they put handcuffs

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 2>on him and scurry him off. The woman in his

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 2>chair is like, wait, what about can I reschedule?

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 1>She's like mid die, She's like, who's gonna who's gonna

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:24.920
<v Speaker 1>do my highlights?

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:26.400
<v Speaker 4>Over his shoulder.

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Stabler turns his head and says, in about twenty five years.

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:33.320
<v Speaker 2>So we're in cement room bars. He denies the murder

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and Benson is like, yeah, you also denied the rape.

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 4>We hate you. Your word means nothing to us.

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 2>We found the gun in your closet at your home,

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.399
<v Speaker 2>but list six prove it's the one that's shot a net.

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 2>You're done, and hello, you can't have a gun with

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 2>no permit in New York. He says he has a

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:51.279
<v Speaker 2>permit in Arizona. The detectives are like, damn, Arizona gave

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 2>a crazy nut like you a gun.

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:56.720
<v Speaker 4>Not surprising. He says, I'm not crazy? Oh really?

0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Then why has the trial been delayed eighteen times? For

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 2>your stress related disorders? So which one is it? Is

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 2>it delayed because you're stressed and crazy or are you

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.839
<v Speaker 2>chill and lying? He gets stressed and Hashi, you know,

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:10.320
<v Speaker 2>he comes through. He's good as a job. He's shutting

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:13.399
<v Speaker 2>it down, going shut up, Luke. It's getting heated. They're

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 2>circling him like two sharks, close to his face, and

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:18.879
<v Speaker 2>Hash is pleading don't say a word. Please, don't say

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 2>a word. They're like, tell us what you did? You

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 2>lose her? He's stuttering to say something. Hash is screaming

0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 2>don't say anything. Then the fucking Eightya decides to interrupt

0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 2>at this moment, and Benson's face is like, bitch, I

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:34.399
<v Speaker 2>will fucking kill you. She is livid. She says Luke

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 2>is not their killer, so that sucks. CSI checked the gun.

0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 2>It's not the right gun, bummer, so it's not the

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.479
<v Speaker 2>right hoodie either. There's a different logo, so he gets

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.360
<v Speaker 2>to walk again. They have to cut him loose. Sabler

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:49.359
<v Speaker 2>knows something's wrong here because he looked worried when they

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 2>had him up against the wall and he's walking out,

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 2>back to being cocky real quick, real quick. They get

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 2>in a cab and leave, and in that moment, the daughter, Jenna,

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.080
<v Speaker 2>sees all this happen. She runs to Benson, like, what

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 2>the fuck you're letting him go? He rate my mom

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, you know, he's not the killer, and

0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:08.799
<v Speaker 2>Benson's like, we're trying, We're trying. She and Jenna goes, oh,

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 2>everything is falling apart. The trial's off. My mom is dead.

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 2>We trusted you. She's like, I'm I was supposed to

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 2>go to prom. Now I'm burying my mother and Benson goes,

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:21.800
<v Speaker 2>we just any time, and she spins back like, bitch,

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>it's been two years. I put my faith in you,

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:25.720
<v Speaker 2>and now I have nothing.

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:26.439
<v Speaker 4>No one.

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:29.959
<v Speaker 2>She speed walks off at it here and Luke gets

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 2>out of the car at his salon. Stabler and Finn

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 2>are following him, and it's a full fake out. He

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 2>doesn't go back to work. He starts taking a walk.

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:40.280
<v Speaker 2>He walks to the shelter and Finn knows he hasn't

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:42.359
<v Speaker 2>seen him before, so Finn goes, I'll go in there

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 2>to spy. He says, hy does Sister Peg, who calls

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 2>him Odafin. So just something I caught, Like, I wonder

0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 2>why she uses the full name.

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:52.280
<v Speaker 4>No one really does.

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 1>That, Yeah, I think I remember always Sister Peg always

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:57.959
<v Speaker 1>does that. I wonder if that was like a thing

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:01.759
<v Speaker 1>where she may that the actress made the choice, or

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 1>like if it's scripted.

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 4>It's interesting.

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, she points maybe that's the tut Maybe that'll

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 2>be my svu tattoo otafin Tutuolan's in fine script under

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:19.719
<v Speaker 2>my titty. She points him to Luke, who's talking to

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 2>a shaggy hair dude from earlier that like told on

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:27.279
<v Speaker 2>him and they're fighting, arguing intensely. He sends Stabler a

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:29.719
<v Speaker 2>pick and he's like, that's Eddie. That's the guy who

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 2>saw the gun in Luke's bag. So Stabler runs to

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:35.360
<v Speaker 2>go inside. Finn walks up to him slowly, but shaggy

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Hair throws the table at him immediately, like they know

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:41.920
<v Speaker 2>this is a career criminal, and he starts running out

0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the door, but Stabler is there to punch him in

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 2>the face and arrests his ass. Finn takes Luke with

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:49.480
<v Speaker 2>him and they throw Eddie into cement room bars with Stabler.

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Luke is in the other cement room bars with Finn

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, listen, Eddie. Would I knew Eddie was

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 2>trouble from the moment I cut his hair. Finn is like, bro,

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 2>are you sure you don't want your lawyer? He breathes deep,

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I need to tell the truth. He says that he

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 2>hired Eddie to harass it that so she wouldn't show up.

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.360
<v Speaker 2>He didn't say to kill her. It cuts back to

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Eddie saying he didn't kill her. Sailor says, but we

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 2>found the phone on you that you used to harass

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.319
<v Speaker 2>her quick. I found it in the park quick. Like

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 2>this guy really knows how to lie. Luke says he

0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 2>bought the phone and gave it to Eddie to call her,

0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 2>harass her, stare at her across the street. That he

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 2>paid Eddie five hundred dollars and it would be five

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars after the trial falls apart. Luke says he

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 2>ran out early because Eddie was trying to squeeze him

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:37.759
<v Speaker 2>out for more money and being annoying, and he wanted

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:39.799
<v Speaker 2>to kill her because he was pissed that she yelled

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.800
<v Speaker 2>at him and he was just like begging to smoke

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 2>the bitch take a drink, and he just really wanted

0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 2>an intimidation situation, really innocent seeming. So Eddie asks for

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 2>his phone call. Stabler comes out of the room and

0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:56.879
<v Speaker 2>says Eddie's Eddie is the shooter. Benson's like, I kind

0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 2>of believe the rapist right now, Sherry, what do you?

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:00.439
<v Speaker 4>What do you say?

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 2>She thinks we need the gun he used to kill her,

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:06.280
<v Speaker 2>So let's get back to searching. But we can arrest

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Eddie on assaulting a police officer and then we could

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:12.279
<v Speaker 2>charge Luke with harassing and intimidating a witness. But she

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:14.160
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to lock them up together, so they have

0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 2>time to plot and schemeshit. So Luke's gonna go in

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:20.399
<v Speaker 2>the cage and then Eddie's gonna go and lock up downstairs.

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:23.399
<v Speaker 2>Eddie starts screaming on the phone for someone to get

0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:26.840
<v Speaker 2>him out of there. Stabler cuffs him again and carries

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 2>him to lock his ass up. They're having a sassy banter.

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Eddie says that he wanted to be a cop and

0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Sabler goes, well, you have to.

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:35.920
<v Speaker 4>Care about people. Lol.

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Eddie says, you don't know me, and Sadler's like yeah,

0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 2>and nothing makes me happier. Benson's on the phone with

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:46.799
<v Speaker 2>Jenna filling her in and how they file the guy

0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:49.840
<v Speaker 2>there and they have to find the gun. Central Booking

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 2>is here to bring Luke down, So they open the

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 2>cage and he walks out to get cuffed and be taken.

0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Stabler brings him to the van to take him to

0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Central Booking, but Eddie Skinner's not there. Sabler is like,

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:03.279
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck? The drivers say, we cleared the whole room.

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't there. There's nowhere he could be found. Every

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:09.359
<v Speaker 2>prisoner was accounted for. Sailor's like, who the fuck let

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 2>him out? And then the UNI guy's like, oh yeah,

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 2>I let him out about an apple hour after you

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 2>put him in. Some fed took him. And so they're like,

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:22.319
<v Speaker 2>why would the FBI need this little rat? So, but

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.360
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't. It wasn't the FBI. It was at f

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:34.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, a haul tobacco firearms. Oh okay. Sailor's

0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 2>like just like what the fuck. But the guy goes, listen,

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 2>I got my orders from one PP, the chief of

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Organized Crime Control. So Benson and Sablor and Sherry head

0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 2>down to bat FE, New York. Uh not to be

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:56.880
<v Speaker 2>confused with the BAFTAs the acting award in England. So

0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 2>they go to some office. They talk to a special

0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 2>agent Greer. O, holy shit, it's Pedro Pascal. He is

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 2>not the guest. So you guys don't have to think

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 2>about that. You know, we have an incredible guest. I'm

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:13.680
<v Speaker 2>very thrilled and young. It is a thrill. It's really

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:16.560
<v Speaker 2>a thrill to see uh, to see him in this

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, it's exciting to He's so much sexier now,

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 2>I would say, yeah, more rugged.

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:25.919
<v Speaker 4>He's like a good old boy here, like a little

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 4>haircut tight. I like him.

0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:31.319
<v Speaker 2>I like I'm a little older and shaggy. Oh yeah,

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I wrote, he's so young and dorky looking, not the

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 2>hunk that we know today. But what a career, what

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:39.919
<v Speaker 2>a man. So he denies it, like why would Eddie

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 2>be here? Who says he is here? And Benson goes

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:46.759
<v Speaker 2>our eyes and they see him through the window in

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the interview room. So why is Greer lying that he's here.

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, he called me and I got him.

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:54.799
<v Speaker 2>It's just a minor assault charge and they're like an

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 2>assault on a cop and he's the main suspect and

0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 2>a murder of a rape victim. And this dude chuckles

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 2>and quickly Benson goes, is there something funny here? He

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 2>doesn't think Eddie can be a killer. He busted him

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 2>three months ago for transporting on tax cigarettes across state

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:11.480
<v Speaker 2>lines and selling them to bodegas. So he flipped him,

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:14.359
<v Speaker 2>and you know he works for him now and there's

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:18.880
<v Speaker 2>a huge operation on cigarettes smugglers. Who cares? Who cares

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 2>cares the tobacco? This is where you get fucked with,

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't do a shit. I don't care if

0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 2>they're fake cigarettes. They're not even fake cigarettes. They're like

0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 2>playing a tax game.

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:31.400
<v Speaker 1>They're just buying someplace cheaper and then selling it in

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.359
<v Speaker 1>New York for the price and keeping the profits right,

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Like you can get a pack of cigarettes in the

0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:38.960
<v Speaker 1>South for like eight dollars when they're fifteen dollars in

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>New York City.

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:41.439
<v Speaker 4>That's all they're doing. I think.

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it seems like a lot to waste government

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 1>resources on, that's for sure.

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:47.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, this big bus is happening cigarettes. But this

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:54.240
<v Speaker 2>man could have killed a woman in cold blood.

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:56.839
<v Speaker 2>They say, we're not leaving without him, and he says,

0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 2>yes you are. Stabler walks in, calls him a dirt back,

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 2>and arrests him. Eddie's like, wow, you're fighting over me.

0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm touch Petre is like he is not leaving this

0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 2>building and they're like, fuck you.

0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:08.319
<v Speaker 4>So they take him.

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 2>We're now at forty four John Street to do the

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:14.080
<v Speaker 2>bus and he's doing it with Sabler in a Newsy's hat.

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:17.279
<v Speaker 2>Eddie's like, they trust me, and Sandler says they're dumb

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 2>as hell and fuck the cigarette bus.

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:21.799
<v Speaker 4>This is a fucking waste of my time. They're really

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:22.279
<v Speaker 4>funny to.

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Get it, so, they are really funny, but it is

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:27.240
<v Speaker 1>so wild to me how they just always put Sabler undercover,

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:29.560
<v Speaker 1>even though he has the most cop look of all time,

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Like they're always like, oh, let's send him in as

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 1>an underground smuggler. It's like he has a cross tattoo

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 1>on his arm, he's wearing a Newsy's hat like a

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:37.880
<v Speaker 1>denim jacket.

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:41.160
<v Speaker 4>He looks like a fucking cop. Like he just is

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:42.799
<v Speaker 4>the most copy cop looking guy.

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, yeah, don't believe he's gonna smuggle animals

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:50.800
<v Speaker 1>or cigarettes or needs a baby like I don't know,

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 1>there's so much, or.

0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 4>Going to a rave. Yeah, the rave is the ultimate.

0:44:57.600 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 2>But Eddie is like, well, next time we do this,

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:05.400
<v Speaker 2>maybe I can and wear the hat. So they're walking

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.759
<v Speaker 2>through a busted down place and a black Mercedes pulls

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 2>in and it's a guy named Phil. He's old, he's

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:14.320
<v Speaker 2>wearing leather, and he goes, who's your friends, and you

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 2>know he's so Stabler's playing a guy that owns bodega's

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 2>around the city. Well, Eddie says bodega and it's weird.

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 2>The Stabler character that he created goes corner stores.

0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:27.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he says convenience stores because he's being he's trying

0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 1>to make them sound more respectable. Like he thinks bodega

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 1>sounds like to you know, like street or something like that.

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 1>And they agree that Eddie is mold that will grow

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 1>on you.

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.080
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, why would an upstanding businessman like you

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:45.280
<v Speaker 2>do a shady scheme?

0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:45.959
<v Speaker 4>Edie?

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 2>He starts talking about taxes, and so Eddie says, listen,

0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:51.719
<v Speaker 2>you have a sure thing and he wants in. So

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 2>they do a business chat back and forth on a deal,

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:56.480
<v Speaker 2>and he wants to see the product, and they keep

0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 2>asking questions. There's a muscle type of man. He's like,

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:02.600
<v Speaker 2>what else, princess, and Saber's like, nobody was talking to you.

0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:06.399
<v Speaker 2>And Phil goes easy tiny and there are so many

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:09.240
<v Speaker 2>boxes and it's the whole warehouse is full of smokes,

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:11.960
<v Speaker 2>and Saber leaves Eddie behind and goes to look at

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:14.400
<v Speaker 2>the boxes. They keep talking business. It feels like a

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 2>full Shark Tank episode. So they're shaking hands and then

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 2>we see all these spy iPad computers. The signal isn't working,

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 2>so they can't see what's going on in the warehouse,

0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 2>and Pedro goes, whatever we're charging in and Benson goes,

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck, Like they didn't do the signal yet,

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 2>stop you know my friend could be in danger, but

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:34.919
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't care, and he's yeah, He's like, I don't

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:37.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't care. So Benson size they all head in.

0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Boom boom, boom. They're still doing the business deal. It's

0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:41.320
<v Speaker 2>three hundred thousand dollars.

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:41.600
<v Speaker 4>Bam.

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 2>The cops come in, all hands up. Eddie takes the

0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 2>chance to run and the FBI man runs after him.

0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Eddie slams him with a pipe. He's bleeding on the ground.

0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Eddie gets away and then Bloody Boy says, well, we

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:56.200
<v Speaker 2>did the bust, and Saber goes, well, there goes my killer,

0:46:56.920 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 2>and you know, Stabler and Benson or the hospital check

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:03.760
<v Speaker 2>on Pedro. Benson gets a call from Finn as Stabler

0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 2>approaches him a baby boy. I'm calling Pedro baby boy,

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 2>and Pedro is apologizing for going in too fast and

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.040
<v Speaker 2>that he's sorry. Stabler's not having it. It doesn't matter

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:17.879
<v Speaker 2>how many times you say sorry. My Ada is gonna

0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 2>flip out for losing this guy, and he's like, yeah, yeah,

0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:21.400
<v Speaker 2>I screwed up.

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:23.439
<v Speaker 4>Let me alone, So Finn.

0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Finn's messages that the gun wasn't at the homeless shelter

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:29.680
<v Speaker 2>and his sister Peg has not seen Eddie either, so

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 2>they're like, you know his ass, where can we find him?

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:35.360
<v Speaker 2>He goes, I don't know, the Bahamas. He's like he

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:38.320
<v Speaker 2>was singing of retiring. They're like, retiring this guy is.

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:41.160
<v Speaker 2>He goes to the homeless shelter. He needs cash? What

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:43.480
<v Speaker 2>do you mean the Bahamas? Stabler gets an idea. His

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:46.759
<v Speaker 2>eyes go wide. They know where he needs to go

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:49.840
<v Speaker 2>get more money. Luke ronson he owns him five grand.

0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 2>The trial did fall apart. He never paid Eddie all

0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:55.120
<v Speaker 2>the money he owed him, and they were right. So

0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Stable arrive. We would hear both their voices.

0:47:57.840 --> 0:47:59.919
<v Speaker 2>Eddie has a gun to his head and he's trying

0:47:59.960 --> 0:48:03.640
<v Speaker 2>to get cash out. Luke is inn a vest. Eddie says, Stabler,

0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 2>give your car keys and me and the rapists are

0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:07.479
<v Speaker 2>going to go for a ride.

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:08.600
<v Speaker 4>And they're like, are you dumb?

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 2>We're not letting that happen, and he says my way

0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:13.800
<v Speaker 2>or his brain hits the wall, and it's like, okay,

0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:16.359
<v Speaker 2>well we want him to die anyway, so we don't care.

0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:19.759
<v Speaker 2>He keeps screaming, threatening and they're like, we'll kill both

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 2>of you. We don't give a shit, and we have

0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:24.000
<v Speaker 2>a perfect shot Eddie gets scared, so they arrest him

0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 2>and the gun he had on him is the right gun.

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:26.839
<v Speaker 4>It's a match.

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 2>We're in cemet room bars and they're like, you're going

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 2>down for murder one, you're going away for life. He says,

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:35.040
<v Speaker 2>I want a deal. I can give you evidence that

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.719
<v Speaker 2>he rapes a net and they're like nice. Try, They're like,

0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 2>she's dead. There's no case because there's no testimony, and

0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Sherry goes, no, we did a preliminary hearing and Luke's

0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:47.840
<v Speaker 2>lawyer did cross examine her, so the testimony can be

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 2>read to the jury, but we do need corroboration. And

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:53.960
<v Speaker 2>that's when Eddie says, yep, pop goes the weasel and

0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:56.880
<v Speaker 2>the deal will be twenty five years instead of life.

0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:00.480
<v Speaker 2>And you know he could get out, so you have

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:03.840
<v Speaker 2>and give us the scoop. It's a good deal, and

0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:07.080
<v Speaker 2>he wants even better, and she says final offer, and

0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:08.880
<v Speaker 2>they all turn around to leave and he bites.

0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:10.799
<v Speaker 4>So he goes Luke and I went out.

0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:12.799
<v Speaker 2>We made the deal to harass her, and he told

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.680
<v Speaker 2>her all the details of the rape, how he drugs her,

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:17.680
<v Speaker 2>got her into the back room, and how sweet it

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:20.279
<v Speaker 2>was and so stable asked, did he ask you to

0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:22.560
<v Speaker 2>shoot a net? He goes, no, I smoked that bitch

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:26.080
<v Speaker 2>on my own. So he is a killer and fuck off,

0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 2>he goes, she had it coming. He's disgusting. They look

0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 2>at him like the scum he is, and they say

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:34.080
<v Speaker 2>we got a deal and plan to leave, but he says, well,

0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:36.800
<v Speaker 2>if you turn it down to murder three, then I

0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:40.960
<v Speaker 2>haven't even juice your story where he got the gun

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.120
<v Speaker 2>he used to shoot her. So they go to Pedro

0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:47.879
<v Speaker 2>Pescal and he's like, what's up and they go, well,

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:50.040
<v Speaker 2>we're not here for a pat on the back, and

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 2>they show him the gun. He denies knowing what it is,

0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and the bosses like, oh, you sure about that, and

0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:57.479
<v Speaker 2>finally Pedro has a look of worry on his face.

0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:00.319
<v Speaker 2>So they're in cement room bars with Pedro and they

0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:02.439
<v Speaker 2>tell him that Eddie says that he got the gun

0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:05.239
<v Speaker 2>from you. He's like, wow, you guys are idiots for

0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:08.160
<v Speaker 2>believing him, and they say no, you're an idiot for

0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:11.399
<v Speaker 2>giving a gun to a known felon. So he keeps

0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 2>denying it and the boss finally leans down and goes, okay, well,

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:16.239
<v Speaker 2>then tell me how this gun is the missing gun

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:19.799
<v Speaker 2>from short Fuse, which was an undercover plan from last

0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:23.880
<v Speaker 2>year in Texas where they gave weapons to Mexican arms smugglers,

0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:27.200
<v Speaker 2>hoping to track their movements through certain drug cartels. And

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:29.880
<v Speaker 2>then one gun was used to kill a border patrol agent.

0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:32.399
<v Speaker 2>And that's this gun and it was a bad op,

0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:35.640
<v Speaker 2>says the boss. Pedro gets loud and bangs on the

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:38.319
<v Speaker 2>table and says it was a good op. Eddie says,

0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:41.000
<v Speaker 2>the only way we could figure out how drug runners

0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 2>were getting their supplies. And then when it all fell apart,

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Pedro asked for a transfer up there to Texas. He

0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:49.680
<v Speaker 2>scooped up all these guns, scratched off the serial numbers,

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.120
<v Speaker 2>and a year later the heat died down and you

0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:53.839
<v Speaker 2>got a new job, and you gave it to your

0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:56.920
<v Speaker 2>c I Eddie, and Eddie told him he was going

0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 2>to use it for production. And Benson goes, and who's

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:02.080
<v Speaker 2>the idiot now, He's like, what the NYPD don't have

0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:04.600
<v Speaker 2>informants and Sailor raises his voice, Yeah, and we don't

0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:08.160
<v Speaker 2>hand over our weapons to them. He says he didn't

0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:09.759
<v Speaker 2>know he was gonna use it to kill that woman,

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.680
<v Speaker 2>but Benson says, until he did, that's why you let

0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:14.880
<v Speaker 2>him clock you at that crowbar because you wanted to

0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 2>make him and the gun go away. He knows he's

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.799
<v Speaker 2>been got. He's a bad guy. He starts to beg

0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:22.880
<v Speaker 2>and say how they don't understand, but they do, and

0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 2>he's just you know, he's just as responsible for a

0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:28.320
<v Speaker 2>net steth. His boss takes his gun and his badge

0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:31.439
<v Speaker 2>and goes, you're done. Stabler cuffs his ass. He looks

0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:33.160
<v Speaker 2>at his boss like you're gonna let them do this,

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:35.359
<v Speaker 2>and he goes yep, and then I'm gonna shake their

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.320
<v Speaker 2>hands when they're finished, and his baby Fait, you know,

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:39.000
<v Speaker 2>he's gone.

0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:41.600
<v Speaker 1>It is wild too that he just put his whole

0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:44.839
<v Speaker 1>career on the line for like a cigarette bust. It's

0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:47.720
<v Speaker 1>not like it's like, oh, I'm saving all these traffic

0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:50.759
<v Speaker 1>children or like anything like that. It's like it's cigarettes.

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:55.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah. And they put him into the cage.

0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:57.719
<v Speaker 2>At the pre Sainton, Eddie and Luke, you know, it's

0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 2>a big ass gross party start yelling at each other.

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:03.799
<v Speaker 2>Sister Peg is there talking to Benson and and then

0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Stabler walks over after he locks them up, So Sister

0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Peg has even more evidence. She has photos of Annette

0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:13.560
<v Speaker 2>and the daughter she found with Eddie's shit and Eddie's

0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:17.000
<v Speaker 2>handwriting and has her addresses written down and all the

0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:20.320
<v Speaker 2>places she at. We're hoping this gives Jenna some closure.

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Then Finn is holding the phone and says, wow, you

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:24.680
<v Speaker 2>can actually tell Jenna in person.

0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:25.759
<v Speaker 4>She's downstairs.

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:28.080
<v Speaker 2>She's on her way up, so she walks for the

0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:30.880
<v Speaker 2>elevator and Olivia meets her, like, hey, girl, I was

0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:33.640
<v Speaker 2>just gonna call you. She's like, I heard you found

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:36.720
<v Speaker 2>my mother's killer. And it's Eddie and he's a lifelong criminal.

0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:39.480
<v Speaker 2>He sucks. Luke hired him. And she asks them about

0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Luke and she's happy that his trial's back on. She

0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:44.279
<v Speaker 2>asks where they are now, and they're like, honey, you know,

0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:47.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty feet away in the cage. She walks in besides

0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Benson and sees the men in there, and she stares

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:52.719
<v Speaker 2>them down. She heads back to the elevator and she's

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:56.000
<v Speaker 2>a little shaky and like fucked up. Benson walks back

0:52:56.040 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 2>into the office and then we hear bang, bang bang.

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:02.279
<v Speaker 2>We see Jenna like Jenna is holding a gun. She's

0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:05.560
<v Speaker 2>shooting in the cage, full gunfire. She shoots the men

0:53:05.640 --> 0:53:08.359
<v Speaker 2>in there ten gun shots a minimum but so many

0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:11.920
<v Speaker 2>bangs and after the cage, though, she points out, she

0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:13.800
<v Speaker 2>shoots sister Peg in the chest.

0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:16.040
<v Speaker 4>Sister Peg goes down.

0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Stabler is behind her and behind a desk holding a

0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:22.239
<v Speaker 2>gun and he has to shoot Jenna dead because she

0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:25.800
<v Speaker 2>won't stop or drop the gun. So Benson's trying to

0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:29.040
<v Speaker 2>help sister Peg. She's in shock. Jenna's crying and deciding

0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:31.600
<v Speaker 2>whether to put the gun down or not. But Eddie's

0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:33.720
<v Speaker 2>not dead yet, and he calls her a crazy bitch

0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 2>and then says I should have killed you with your mother.

0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:38.520
<v Speaker 2>So she picks the gun up, and right before she

0:53:38.719 --> 0:53:40.880
<v Speaker 2>could shoot him again, Stabler shoots her right in the

0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:43.440
<v Speaker 2>middle of her stomach. He runs to her kicks the

0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:45.440
<v Speaker 2>gun out of her hand. There's blood coming out of

0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:48.080
<v Speaker 2>her mouth. A Stabler holds the back of her head

0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:50.720
<v Speaker 2>up and she says, I just bought it off the street.

0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:54.680
<v Speaker 2>It was easy. She struggles to breathe. She's dead. She

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:58.280
<v Speaker 2>shot a team dead. Benson's mouth is still open, fully

0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:00.919
<v Speaker 2>in shock. Stabler is like, damn, I killed a child.

0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:04.560
<v Speaker 2>The precinct is in commotion and everyone running around, and

0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:05.640
<v Speaker 2>then that's the end.

0:54:06.960 --> 0:54:11.360
<v Speaker 1>It's the last moments of Stabler That's the last we

0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:13.800
<v Speaker 1>see of Stabler until he comes back in season like

0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:17.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty three as the whatever Return of the Prodigal Sun

0:54:17.600 --> 0:54:20.879
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, when he comes back for his spinoff. But like, yeah,

0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:23.759
<v Speaker 1>the last thing we see is a Stabler nightmare, him

0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:27.640
<v Speaker 1>cradling a teenage girl dead that reminds him of his daughters.

0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:28.800
<v Speaker 4>That's he killed.

0:54:29.440 --> 0:54:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what a performance, What an episode. It's a goetic.

0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:38.640
<v Speaker 2>The cages, the depths of destruction, and yeah, I'm really

0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:41.600
<v Speaker 2>interested in what you're gonna be talking about.

0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:41.799
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes, there's a lot I did not know, but here

0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:56.440
<v Speaker 1>we go. Let's get into it. So yeah, I did.

0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Right at the top, I was like, sadly, this episode

0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:00.320
<v Speaker 1>is trying to make a statement about gun control. In

0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:03.120
<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven and thirteen years later, guns are still an

0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:05.400
<v Speaker 1>illness that we have in the United States. But one

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<v Speaker 1>of the references that this episode is making, I think,

0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:10.440
<v Speaker 1>is to the Nicole Duframe case.

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<v Speaker 2>This happened when I lived in New York City. The

0:55:13.719 --> 0:55:16.440
<v Speaker 2>name sounds familiar, but I have no idea what this is.

0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I had just moved to New York six months before

0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:21.640
<v Speaker 1>this happened in January of two thousand and five. Two

0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:24.640
<v Speaker 1>couples were walking home from drinking having a good night.

0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:27.400
<v Speaker 1>A bunch of teen muggers like approached them. They'd been

0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:29.359
<v Speaker 1>mugging a bunch of people in the area. There were

0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:33.080
<v Speaker 1>guys and girls in the group of muggers, and they

0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:37.080
<v Speaker 1>started messing with them. They pistol whipped this girl, Nicole's fiance.

0:55:37.760 --> 0:55:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Then she got in their faces and she kept saying,

0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:40.960
<v Speaker 1>what are you gonna do?

0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:41.719
<v Speaker 4>Shoot us?

0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:44.880
<v Speaker 1>And she said it twice before Rudy Fleming, who was

0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:46.839
<v Speaker 1>like maybe the leader of the pack but he had

0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:49.600
<v Speaker 1>a gun, fired a shot into her chest and she

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:52.680
<v Speaker 1>died within minutes in her fiance's arms. And the story

0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:56.480
<v Speaker 1>was like everywhere because it was like so tragic, so senseless.

0:55:56.840 --> 0:55:59.279
<v Speaker 1>She was kind of trying to stand up for her

0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:01.880
<v Speaker 1>friends and for herself, and it's like kind of what

0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:04.520
<v Speaker 1>it's what happened to Anette in the episode, essentially like

0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:07.160
<v Speaker 1>just give them your purse. Just let them take what

0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:10.239
<v Speaker 1>they want, you know, don't start like an altercation. Is

0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:13.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of the message that this case and this episode

0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:16.600
<v Speaker 1>is probably given. Although in this episode that guy was

0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:19.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna kill her anyway, but yeah, yeah, she gave the

0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:22.960
<v Speaker 1>pursa Yeah, yeah, they were just trying to steal shit

0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:26.400
<v Speaker 1>from them in this one. But yeah, this like this

0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:28.719
<v Speaker 1>was in the paper like every day that I would

0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:31.200
<v Speaker 1>read about this, like it was a really really big

0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:34.280
<v Speaker 1>tragic thing. She was also I think she'd been an actress.

0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:36.200
<v Speaker 1>She was like a beautiful white woman. So obviously that

0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:40.000
<v Speaker 1>gets very highly publicized. So that was all over the

0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:42.160
<v Speaker 1>news when I first moved to New York. But then

0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:46.120
<v Speaker 1>and I'm getting to a final crime that this is

0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:49.680
<v Speaker 1>based on, but this is also references the ATF gun

0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:53.560
<v Speaker 1>walking scandal, which the operation that they call short Views

0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:55.560
<v Speaker 1>is referencing the atfeal.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, so gun.

0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Walking is essentially letting criminals come and buy weapons and

0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:05.560
<v Speaker 1>then walk with them, quote unquote like walk away with

0:57:05.640 --> 0:57:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the weapons, especially if they're buying them in large quantities,

0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:10.800
<v Speaker 1>so that they can get traced back to the criminals

0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:13.320
<v Speaker 1>who buy them. So in two thousand and six, the

0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:16.560
<v Speaker 1>ATF launched a project called Project gun Runner, and it

0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:19.640
<v Speaker 1>was aimed at identifying criminal activity in Mexico and reducing

0:57:19.680 --> 0:57:22.880
<v Speaker 1>border violence and drug and gun trafficking. And then there

0:57:23.000 --> 0:57:27.000
<v Speaker 1>was Operation Fast and Furious, which was what the ATF

0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:30.080
<v Speaker 1>called a bunch of Arizona cases under Project gun runner

0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:31.360
<v Speaker 1>and that started in nine.

0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:35.600
<v Speaker 4>So basically they give people guns just to track up.

0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Well no, like basically, the ATF would encourage these gun dealers.

0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Like the gun dealers would call the ATF and go, hey,

0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:44.200
<v Speaker 1>this like sketchy guy is like trying to buy all

0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:47.440
<v Speaker 1>these guns, Like I don't think he like it seems

0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:50.080
<v Speaker 1>like a huge quantity for just a guy who's hunting

0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:53.200
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and uh, they would call the ATF and

0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:55.560
<v Speaker 1>the ATF would go would say go ahead, go go

0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:58.160
<v Speaker 1>along with the sale. And then they would ask them

0:57:58.240 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 1>to sell to these same customers over and over again

0:58:01.440 --> 0:58:04.040
<v Speaker 1>and then provide them with serial numbers and information about

0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the buyers. They would give that all to the ATF.

0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:09.440
<v Speaker 1>And at one point they were even trying to GPS

0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:11.680
<v Speaker 1>track They were trying to put these GPS trackers on

0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:15.080
<v Speaker 1>the actual guns themselves, but like the batteries all died out,

0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:17.240
<v Speaker 1>like they didn't have the technology, so.

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:18.320
<v Speaker 4>Like it didn't work.

0:58:19.480 --> 0:58:23.120
<v Speaker 1>And then they thought that they could lead this to

0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:26.000
<v Speaker 1>bring them down, to bring them back to like somehow

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:28.720
<v Speaker 1>this would lead them to the big players in these

0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:31.240
<v Speaker 1>cartels and they could bring some of these Mexican cartels down.

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:33.840
<v Speaker 1>The whole operation was a hot mess, like it didn't

0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:36.440
<v Speaker 1>take down any major players. They lost track of two

0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:40.320
<v Speaker 1>thousand guns, including hundreds of AK forty seven type like

0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:44.160
<v Speaker 1>semi automatic weapons, and no one told Mexico shit, like

0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Mexico had no idea this was going on. They weren't

0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:49.120
<v Speaker 1>like working with them, like it was bad. So then

0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:52.480
<v Speaker 1>in late twenty ten, a Border Patrol agent named Brian

0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Terry did get killed in Arizona, just like they said

0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:57.240
<v Speaker 1>in the episode, except it wasn't Texas. It was Arizona

0:58:57.280 --> 0:59:01.280
<v Speaker 1>in real life, near the border allegedly by the articles

0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I read said illegal aliens, but I mean undocumented people

0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:08.400
<v Speaker 1>armed with at least two AK forty seven variant rifles

0:59:09.280 --> 0:59:12.320
<v Speaker 1>trafficked by the Fast and the Furious suspects who had

0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:15.440
<v Speaker 1>not been arrested by the ATF. So the public was

0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:18.160
<v Speaker 1>not told about the link between Terry's murder and Fast

0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:20.920
<v Speaker 1>and the Furious, and nothing about the gun walking was

0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:24.960
<v Speaker 1>public either, And it wasn't until people came some whistleblowers

0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:27.920
<v Speaker 1>came forward. They took it to Congress, and this all

0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:31.560
<v Speaker 1>came to light and Charles Grassley, who's like a Republican

0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:34.800
<v Speaker 1>senator from Iowa. In early twenty eleven started investigating the

0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:40.080
<v Speaker 1>ATFS controversial gun walking practice. Eric Holder was the Attorney

0:59:40.120 --> 0:59:44.480
<v Speaker 1>General at that time under Obama and the House. The

0:59:44.600 --> 0:59:48.919
<v Speaker 1>House actually held him in contempt, which had never happened before,

0:59:49.040 --> 0:59:51.080
<v Speaker 1>like an attorney general had never been held in contempt

0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:55.000
<v Speaker 1>of Congress, which Eric Holder got. The Republicans were investigating.

0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:57.720
<v Speaker 1>They all thought Obama knew what was happening, and he

0:59:57.840 --> 1:00:00.760
<v Speaker 1>was up for reelection in twenty twelve. And then eventually

1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Obama's administration withdrew an executive privileged claim and turned over

1:00:05.920 --> 1:00:10.200
<v Speaker 1>documents relating to the whole controversy. And then when we're

1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:13.960
<v Speaker 1>when Democrats took over again were re elected in twenty twelve,

1:00:14.640 --> 1:00:16.520
<v Speaker 1>like it just they just kind of didn't investigate it

1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:18.880
<v Speaker 1>anymore and it was just kind of considered a major flop,

1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:20.360
<v Speaker 1>like the whole thing Floppiana.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's the ATF gone walking scandal.

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<v Speaker 1>But case I want to get into, because this is

1:00:27.000 --> 1:00:28.800
<v Speaker 1>a kind of a this is a crazy This is

1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:30.840
<v Speaker 1>like a famous case that I had never heard anything about,

1:00:30.880 --> 1:00:33.600
<v Speaker 1>but famous for a certain reason is the case of

1:00:33.680 --> 1:00:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Marvin Gabrion So in Cedar Springs, Michigan on August sixth

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen ninety seven, an eighteen year old girl named

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel Timmerman was invited to play cards by a family

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<v Speaker 1>friend named Wayne Davis and a classmate named Mikey Gabrion. Rachel,

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<v Speaker 1>at the time had a six week old daughter named Shannon,

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<v Speaker 1>So Mike and Wayne go to pick up Rachel along

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<v Speaker 1>with Mikey's uncle, Marvin gabrieon the second Immediately why is

1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:00.840
<v Speaker 1>there a random uncle hanging out with a bunch of teens,

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<v Speaker 1>But en route to the game, Marvin forces the other

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<v Speaker 1>two guys out of the car, like when they stop

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<v Speaker 1>to get beer or something, and then he drives off

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<v Speaker 1>with Rachel, takes her to a secluded area and does

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<v Speaker 1>sexually assault her.

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<v Speaker 4>The next day, Yeah, fucked up. Fucked up. The next day, August.

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<v Speaker 1>Seventh, even though she was very scared, She's like, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's gonna kill me, Like I shouldn't do, I shouldn't say.

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<v Speaker 1>She did report the rape to the Nowago County Sheriff's Department,

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<v Speaker 1>and Marvin Gabrielle was arrested and charged, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>forty four around the time that he was set to

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<v Speaker 1>stand trial, which was the following year. In June of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven now. In May of nineteen ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 1>the month before the trial, Rachel calls the police twice

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<v Speaker 1>to say that she's afraid for her life, like she's

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<v Speaker 1>very scared that he's going to do something to her.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>June third, nineteen ninety seven, two days before the rape

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<v Speaker 1>trial is set to start, Rachel leaves the house with

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<v Speaker 1>her eleven month old daughter, Shannon. She tells her family

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<v Speaker 1>that she's going on a date with a guy she

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<v Speaker 1>met at work.

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<v Speaker 4>John.

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<v Speaker 1>She brought Shannon because the guy specifically asked her to

1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:10.160
<v Speaker 1>red flag and then her father gets a letter like

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<v Speaker 1>the next day, the family's like, that's weird.

1:02:12.400 --> 1:02:15.160
<v Speaker 4>Where is she? Her father gets a letter saying, I

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<v Speaker 4>met the man in my dreams. I'm eloping and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>leaving town.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days later, they get another letter that's postmarked

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<v Speaker 1>from Little Rock, Arkansas, and she says, ME and Shannon

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<v Speaker 1>are starting a new life in Little Rock and these

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<v Speaker 1>letters are in her handwriting. The prosecutor and the judge

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<v Speaker 1>in the case also get letters in Rachel's handwriting saying

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<v Speaker 1>that I made up the rape accusation.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to drop the charges.

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<v Speaker 1>And her family thought this was all like legit and

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<v Speaker 1>no one really looked into it, like she was never

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<v Speaker 1>really declared a missing person. A month later, July fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven, a pair of turtle hunters I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know people were hunting turtle discovered Rachel's decomposing body floating

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<v Speaker 1>in Oxford Lake in the Huron Manistee National Forest, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a federal government owned forest. She had duct tape,

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<v Speaker 1>so she never made it to Arkansas because that's Michigan, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, this is all Michigan. She was never in Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>She had duct tape over her eyes and her mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>Her hands were handcuffed behind her back. Chains were wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>around her torso and tied to cinder blocks used to

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<v Speaker 1>weigh her down. And I guess like the reason she

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<v Speaker 1>rose to the top was like bacterial gassing, like when

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<v Speaker 1>the body like let's go of all the gases, and

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<v Speaker 1>like she rose up to the top even though she

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<v Speaker 1>was tied down.

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<v Speaker 4>The medical examiner, this is so dark. The medical examiner.

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<v Speaker 1>Said that the cause of death was asphyxia by drowning

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<v Speaker 1>and that she was alive when she went into the lake.

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<v Speaker 1>So he just threw her into the lake and then

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<v Speaker 1>the baby Shannon was nowhere to be found. Gabrieon is

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the prime suspect. Police went and searched his home.

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<v Speaker 1>They found keys that matched the padlock used to secure

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<v Speaker 1>her body to the to the chains, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>concrete blocks that were stained with the same paint as

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that were tied to her body and retrieved

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<v Speaker 1>from the lake. The nephew, Mikey Gabrieon's to say, hey, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the the Oh my god, the gil like, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>like was this note as a creepy uncle?

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<v Speaker 4>Like, well, I'll get into a little bit more of

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<v Speaker 4>the guy's backstory.

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<v Speaker 2>The nephew so fun and the lot like this girl

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<v Speaker 2>just gets oh my god, this I know, it's horrific.

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<v Speaker 1>It's horrific, and like the baby was she just had

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<v Speaker 1>this like little baby and it's so sad. The nephew

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<v Speaker 1>took them to this campsite that his uncle used a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and when they were there they found his tent with

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<v Speaker 1>bolt cutters, chain duct tape, a woman's hair clip, and

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<v Speaker 1>silicon nipples for baby bottles, so he had obviously.

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<v Speaker 4>Taken them there.

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<v Speaker 1>It also came to light that Gabrieone had a friend,

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<v Speaker 1>a handyman named John Weeks, and weeks girlfriend said she

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<v Speaker 1>knew gabrieon as Lance, like that was like an alias

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<v Speaker 1>he went under. She also said that she had caught

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<v Speaker 1>John on the phone talking to a girl named Rachel,

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<v Speaker 1>but he told her, oh, I'm just setting her up

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<v Speaker 1>on a date with Lance. So Weeks is the guy

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<v Speaker 1>that Rachel was going on on the date with. Like Rachel,

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<v Speaker 1>It's unclear whether she knew they were friends, but she

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<v Speaker 1>obviously had no idea that Gabrion was setting this all

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<v Speaker 1>up like much in the same way as you know

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<v Speaker 1>Luke was setting up Eddie to go fucking harass Annette.

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<v Speaker 1>He sends his friend to go take her out on

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<v Speaker 1>a date like lure her. Multiple people later, like I think,

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<v Speaker 1>multiple people testified to seeing Weeks, Gabrion, and Rachel around

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<v Speaker 1>Oxford Lake the day after her disappearance. John Weeks was

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<v Speaker 1>never seen again, and Gabriel is believed to have been

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<v Speaker 1>the last to see him alive in June of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seven, around the same time that you know Rachel

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<v Speaker 1>went missing. Also, Wayne Davis, the family friend who picked

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel up the night of the rape and was set

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<v Speaker 1>to testify in the rape trial, he had gone missing

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<v Speaker 1>in February of nineteen ninety seven, so five years later,

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<v Speaker 1>in July of two thousand and two, canoeists found his

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<v Speaker 1>body in twin Wood Lake, in the same National Forest

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<v Speaker 1>where Rachel was found. So gabriel had also lived in

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<v Speaker 1>the house of a guy named Robert Allen who had

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<v Speaker 1>gone missing in nineteen ninety five. But don't worry, Gabrielle

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<v Speaker 1>took care of cashing all his Social Security checks and

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<v Speaker 1>living in his house until nineteen ninety seven, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he got busted on that. So now he is the

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<v Speaker 1>prime suspect in the disappearance of Weeks, Alan and Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>but he hasn't been charged in any of these murders

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<v Speaker 1>or because, I mean with Weeks and Alan they never

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<v Speaker 1>found a body, and then with Davis they didn't find

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<v Speaker 1>his body for five years.

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<v Speaker 4>It might be hard to tie him to it.

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<v Speaker 1>But after they found Rachel's body, Gabrielle himself was missing

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<v Speaker 1>for two months like they couldn't find him, and then

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<v Speaker 1>finally authorities got a tip that he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be cashing a Social Security check in Sherman, New York,

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<v Speaker 1>so they busted him at the post office in Sherman,

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<v Speaker 1>New York, ROBERTA. Gilligan, who's like a retired special agent

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<v Speaker 1>for the FBI, told Oxygen quote, he was very uncooperative.

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<v Speaker 1>At times, he would try to be charming, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was unnerving to be around him. He did seem evil

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<v Speaker 1>end quote. Shannon has never been and it is widely

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<v Speaker 1>believed that Gabrion killed her. Of course, investigators believe he

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<v Speaker 1>used the threat of harming Shannon to get Rachel to

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<v Speaker 1>write the letters saying I'm fine, I want to drop

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<v Speaker 1>the charges whatever, And allegedly Gabrione told fellow inmates that

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<v Speaker 1>he killed the baby because he didn't know what else

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<v Speaker 1>to do with her. So I don't know if because

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<v Speaker 1>of no body they didn't charge him with hers. But

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and two, Gabrion did go to trial

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<v Speaker 1>for Rachel's murder. At trial, his defense attorneys, well maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not at this trial, actually at one of his appeals. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>his defense attorneys try to bring up his tough upbringing,

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<v Speaker 1>like he grew up in crazy poverty, like he was

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<v Speaker 1>the youngest of all these kids, his whole family would

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<v Speaker 1>beat up on him, like he was apparently being forced

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<v Speaker 1>to box siblings when he was four years old. There

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<v Speaker 1>was tons of substance abuse and violence in his home.

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<v Speaker 1>He was neglected by his parents. But as a child,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people testified that he was very intelligent,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was very kind. He helped care for elderly relatives,

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<v Speaker 1>and he also cared for an intellectually disabled cousin that

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<v Speaker 1>he had. He had an IQ of one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, which one of the articles I read said

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<v Speaker 1>is the lower end of various very superior intelligence. But

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<v Speaker 1>after he graduated high school, he suffered quote an astonishing

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<v Speaker 1>number end quote of brain injuries in up to fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>car and motorcycle crashes. And this is where people start

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<v Speaker 1>to say his personality change, like he became a different person.

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<v Speaker 1>He was drinking, Yeah, he was drinking a ton. He

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<v Speaker 1>was homeless, He would start bar fights. He had nine

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<v Speaker 1>arrests for drunk driving, and after his arrest for the murder,

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<v Speaker 1>he started like writing in code that no one could understand.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote letters to his lawyers begged him to stop,

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<v Speaker 1>but he wrote letters to the judge, to prosecutors, to

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<v Speaker 1>the victims family, to the Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh,

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<v Speaker 1>who by the way, was dead, to the owner of

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<v Speaker 1>the Dallas Mavericks like he was just he heard voices.

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<v Speaker 4>He was trying to take his own life.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, there's a pretty good case here for

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<v Speaker 1>someone that has like a traumatic brain injury at the

1:09:01.040 --> 1:09:04.080
<v Speaker 1>very least, if not other mental health issues. And his

1:09:04.200 --> 1:09:06.680
<v Speaker 1>defense team tried to highlight the head injuries as a

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<v Speaker 1>cause for the violence. And he was prone to violence.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a history of assault and sexual assault. And

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<v Speaker 1>the jury saw this violent nature firsthand when he punched

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<v Speaker 1>one of his own defense attorneys, David Stebbins, in the

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<v Speaker 1>face in open court. So he also tried to He

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<v Speaker 1>attempted to fire his counsel and represent himself, and the

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<v Speaker 1>judge denied it. The judge was like, he's been so

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<v Speaker 1>disruptive this entire case that if he is allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>represent himself, it will only get worse. I mean, his

1:09:32.600 --> 1:09:35.480
<v Speaker 1>behavior was wild. He filed a ton of bonkers motions.

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<v Speaker 1>He was cursing, he was aggressive. He was convicted, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was sentenced to death. However, this is interesting, Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>abolished the death penalty in eighteen forty six. The United

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<v Speaker 1>States versus Gabriel is considered a landmark case for its

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<v Speaker 1>use of the death penalty in a non death penalty state.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason was Rachel's body was found on federal land.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember I mentioned before that this was a government owned forest,

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<v Speaker 1>a federal land, so it became a federal crime, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was tried in federal court, and Gabriel was the

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<v Speaker 1>first person in the US to get the death penalty

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<v Speaker 1>for a crime committed in a non death penalty state

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<v Speaker 1>since the federal death penalty came back was reinstated in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so funny I did like a.

1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:21.679
<v Speaker 1>Paper on the death penalty I in like nineteen ninety,

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<v Speaker 1>probably like when I was like an elementary school kid.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's probably because this was like in the conversation,

1:10:26.720 --> 1:10:28.680
<v Speaker 1>because it was coming back. Like I don't think I

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<v Speaker 1>even realized that in nineteen eighty eight the death penalty

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<v Speaker 1>came back, or that it had even ever been gone.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's I guess why I'm writing papers about it. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>He was also the first.

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<v Speaker 1>Person to be sentenced to death in the state of

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan since nineteen thirty seven. So his defense tried to

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<v Speaker 1>argue that it was possible she was killed outside the

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<v Speaker 1>park and just disposed of there, but the jury was like, no,

1:10:51.640 --> 1:10:53.439
<v Speaker 1>she was killed inside the park. I mean probably because

1:10:53.439 --> 1:10:55.360
<v Speaker 1>the emmy said that she was alive when she went

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<v Speaker 1>into the water. So if she drowned in that lake,

1:10:58.080 --> 1:11:01.839
<v Speaker 1>it's the forensics would bear that out. So he appealed

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty eleven and the conviction was upheld, but the

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<v Speaker 1>sentence was overturned. But then in twenty thirteen, the Sixth

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<v Speaker 1>Court Circuit of Appeals overturned the earlier decision and the

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<v Speaker 1>death penalty was reinstated. So he sat on death row

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<v Speaker 1>at the United States Penitentiary in Terre Haute, Indiana for

1:11:19.560 --> 1:11:23.040
<v Speaker 1>a long time, and then eventually he was moved to

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<v Speaker 1>the US Medical Center for Federal Prisoners in Springfield, Missouri,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where he still is. And he's seventy one

1:11:29.600 --> 1:11:33.800
<v Speaker 1>years old, and according to the Death Penalty Information Center,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabriel is the only Michigan inmate awaiting the death penalty, And.

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<v Speaker 4>So they might still kill him in Springfield, Missouri.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, because it's a US Medical center for federal prisoners.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if it's somehow got commuted because of mental

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<v Speaker 1>health stuff. Like if you I looked him up in

1:11:53.800 --> 1:11:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the federal lockup and it still says death, it still

1:11:57.080 --> 1:12:00.920
<v Speaker 1>says like death penalty like under him. So it's like

1:12:01.320 --> 1:12:03.240
<v Speaker 1>they didn't commute it, but they might be trying to

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of kick it down the field until he

1:12:05.040 --> 1:12:08.759
<v Speaker 1>dies of natural causes because he's been there for dude

1:12:09.200 --> 1:12:13.400
<v Speaker 1>that like asked her out on a date. Weeks disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>No one has ever found They never found him. And

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<v Speaker 1>I killed him.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I killed him. He killed the baby, he

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<v Speaker 4>killed her because he rapes her. An't no fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like Weeks is probably the inspiration for the Eddie

1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Skinner character, but Gabrieon is the psycho, whereas I think

1:12:36.400 --> 1:12:38.800
<v Speaker 1>that Eddie Skinner is also the psycho. And it's like

1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:40.760
<v Speaker 1>they've sort of merged that, you know, like Luke didn't

1:12:40.760 --> 1:12:42.120
<v Speaker 1>want to hurt this woman. I don't think he just

1:12:42.160 --> 1:12:46.000
<v Speaker 1>wanted her to like not testify. Yeah, but we'll hurt

1:12:46.040 --> 1:12:48.960
<v Speaker 1>her more than he already heard her. But yeah, it's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>I just like I didn't know any of this, like

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<v Speaker 1>federal death penalty on federal land and you know, so,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wonder if it's like I mean, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if they're trying to like anything I could

1:13:03.240 --> 1:13:05.240
<v Speaker 1>find that was the most updated was really from like

1:13:05.320 --> 1:13:07.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, and it was all about how he

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<v Speaker 1>was just kind of still awaiting Jath penalty.

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<v Speaker 4>Crazy. Yeah, so that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Bad on that, but one fucking looneitune and your life

1:13:18.920 --> 1:13:23.439
<v Speaker 2>is over. It's so scary, I know, but but I'm

1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:27.439
<v Speaker 2>also like, I don't know, it's family dynamics are so

1:13:28.120 --> 1:13:30.400
<v Speaker 2>unique and stuff, but like, there's no way in hell

1:13:30.439 --> 1:13:32.439
<v Speaker 2>I could just mess it, like write a letter to

1:13:32.479 --> 1:13:37.240
<v Speaker 2>my parents being like, hey I eloped, I'm good, peace out,

1:13:37.600 --> 1:13:41.479
<v Speaker 2>Like that just wouldn't really work in my household, I know,

1:13:41.880 --> 1:13:45.800
<v Speaker 2>but I know everyone's like different. Yeah, she's like because

1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:48.160
<v Speaker 2>we've seen this on SVU where they're like she's in

1:13:48.280 --> 1:13:50.160
<v Speaker 2>the Peace Corps and I get a letter once in

1:13:50.200 --> 1:13:54.240
<v Speaker 2>a while and I'm like, what, yeah, in what world

1:13:54.400 --> 1:13:55.479
<v Speaker 2>is I know?

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 4>She's in Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>What I think It's like they, well, in one of

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<v Speaker 1>the articles I read, it said, well, we didn't like it,

1:14:05.360 --> 1:14:07.880
<v Speaker 1>but she's an adult, Like what could we do? And

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<v Speaker 1>so because at that point she's nineteen, and I don't know,

1:14:13.479 --> 1:14:15.320
<v Speaker 1>it's like the it's like the one, it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>what we just did in the tunnel Blind episode where

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<v Speaker 1>that girl was just like my mom, I'm going to

1:14:18.840 --> 1:14:20.559
<v Speaker 1>New York and like the mom was like, I don't

1:14:20.680 --> 1:14:22.320
<v Speaker 1>like this, but I don't know what I can do

1:14:22.400 --> 1:14:22.720
<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 4>You're nineteen years old.

1:14:24.120 --> 1:14:24.320
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's crazy. But we do have a great guest to clutch.

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<v Speaker 4>It has so long, long time coming. Yeah, don't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Our guest today is actually a friend of ours that

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<v Speaker 1>we've been wanting to get on the show forever. She

1:14:49.800 --> 1:14:52.400
<v Speaker 1>is an actor who's been featured in shows like Sons

1:14:52.439 --> 1:14:56.000
<v Speaker 1>of Anarchy, Lie to Me, United States of Tara. She's

1:14:56.040 --> 1:14:59.160
<v Speaker 1>also in horror movies like The Conjuring and Agnes. But

1:14:59.280 --> 1:15:01.680
<v Speaker 1>you know where today as the gun wielding teen who

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get to go to prom but did get shot

1:15:03.840 --> 1:15:07.960
<v Speaker 1>by Elliott Stabler Jenna Fox. Guys enjoy our chat with

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<v Speaker 1>the lovely Haley McFarland.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, Yeah, Hi, Hi, the time has come. I can't

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<v Speaker 4>believe years in the make it.

1:15:18.360 --> 1:15:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I know we've been at least I have been avoiding

1:15:23.600 --> 1:15:26.920
<v Speaker 1>pouncing on you at parties for years to ask you

1:15:26.960 --> 1:15:30.439
<v Speaker 1>a million questions about SVU, And now we can finally

1:15:30.479 --> 1:15:32.879
<v Speaker 1>do it in a professional capacity, and I'm very excited,

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<v Speaker 1>well awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Because not many people can say that they were in,

1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:44.400
<v Speaker 2>like Christopher Maloney's final episode and he shot you dead.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it is like wild.

1:15:47.280 --> 1:15:50.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's something that I will brag about two strangers.

1:15:50.720 --> 1:15:53.640
<v Speaker 5>Like I'm not like to think about the thing like

1:15:53.720 --> 1:15:57.040
<v Speaker 5>the acting stuff that I do that much, but that's one.

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<v Speaker 4>That I will be like, well you murder sister Peg.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I would say you're like in the top

1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:08.599
<v Speaker 1>in the layd like SVU. Historical characters like that are

1:16:08.640 --> 1:16:11.960
<v Speaker 1>outside of cast. I mean, like you, you altered the

1:16:12.040 --> 1:16:14.760
<v Speaker 1>course of the show because I mean, even though it

1:16:14.880 --> 1:16:19.280
<v Speaker 1>was about contrastable stuff like Maloney, like Stabler's character doesn't

1:16:19.320 --> 1:16:20.360
<v Speaker 1>come back because.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's so rocked and he had to kill

1:16:21.920 --> 1:16:25.679
<v Speaker 4>a sixteen year old girl, and but I was, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish you know, it was it was poetic because

1:16:28.439 --> 1:16:33.439
<v Speaker 2>you got to like cough blood and you know Maloney's arms. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm on your side, you know. I like that

1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:39.600
<v Speaker 2>you were able to shoot those guys that were in

1:16:39.680 --> 1:16:40.920
<v Speaker 2>one cage ready for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. How old were you? How old were you here?

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<v Speaker 4>I was I was twenty at the time. I think

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<v Speaker 4>I just hearded twenty okay, And were you in New York?

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<v Speaker 4>La are you a theater kid. What's your journey?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh? I well I was a I was like a

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<v Speaker 5>musical theater kid in Oklahoma growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah that's what your Wikipedia Wikipedia.

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<v Speaker 1>So that like you got kind of dragged over into

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<v Speaker 1>regular acting, but you were a musical theater kid.

1:17:10.400 --> 1:17:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it.

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<v Speaker 5>I I always wanted to be and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>do it all. But yeah, it just happened that a

1:17:19.360 --> 1:17:23.320
<v Speaker 5>manager who knew my acting teacher in Oklahoma, a manager

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<v Speaker 5>out in LA was like looking for kids, and I

1:17:26.680 --> 1:17:29.960
<v Speaker 5>was like on a tape that was sent over to him,

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<v Speaker 5>and he liked me, and so I was yeah, I

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<v Speaker 5>started going for kid.

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<v Speaker 4>Like how old were you? I? Oh yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 4>twelve twelve?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah it was like uh when I.

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<v Speaker 5>Started, it was like they would fax you the audition sides,

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<v Speaker 5>like it was like just before Yeah so.

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<v Speaker 4>You heard that, Like you heard that, like and you

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<v Speaker 4>were like gotta get going star.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>We would.

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<v Speaker 5>We would get the call and we'd have to like

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<v Speaker 5>unplug that we didn't have like a send, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we'd have to unplug the phone line and then plug

1:18:00.640 --> 1:18:03.599
<v Speaker 5>in the thing. It was a big I'd be waiting

1:18:03.840 --> 1:18:07.280
<v Speaker 5>next to the fax machine. Like Christmas morning. She Wow,

1:18:07.800 --> 1:18:10.960
<v Speaker 5>did you watch SVU like when you booked so, when

1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:11.600
<v Speaker 5>you booked this.

1:18:13.200 --> 1:18:16.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I had watched. I had watched every season of

1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:18.720
<v Speaker 4>it up until that point. I was a big fan.

1:18:19.240 --> 1:18:21.320
<v Speaker 5>I was very excited and when I found out that

1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:26.360
<v Speaker 5>it was the final episode, like I didn't like when

1:18:26.400 --> 1:18:28.439
<v Speaker 5>I booked it, I realized I realized it was the

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<v Speaker 5>final episode of the season and so.

1:18:32.200 --> 1:18:35.439
<v Speaker 4>And I also had maybe seen like were there. I

1:18:35.560 --> 1:18:36.080
<v Speaker 4>think there were.

1:18:36.160 --> 1:18:38.880
<v Speaker 5>It's hard to remember so long ago, but I think

1:18:38.920 --> 1:18:42.799
<v Speaker 5>there were articles saying that this was his final season.

1:18:43.720 --> 1:18:46.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but what we I don't remember at

1:18:46.520 --> 1:18:49.479
<v Speaker 1>the time, but what we've heard from other people in

1:18:49.600 --> 1:18:53.960
<v Speaker 1>interviews have told us that they didn't know that it

1:18:54.040 --> 1:18:57.680
<v Speaker 1>was going to be episode, all the contracting stuff and

1:18:57.760 --> 1:19:00.600
<v Speaker 1>then suddenly like he just was there for the.

1:19:02.400 --> 1:19:02.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:19:02.840 --> 1:19:05.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I I well, knowing that it was the season finale,

1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:08.920
<v Speaker 5>I knew there had to be something extra crazy that happened.

1:19:08.920 --> 1:19:12.559
<v Speaker 4>So I remember, like, but even the like excited is.

1:19:12.600 --> 1:19:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Intense, Like I feel like that would haunt me even

1:19:17.880 --> 1:19:20.360
<v Speaker 2>just I don't know, it's a it's a haunting shootdown

1:19:20.479 --> 1:19:22.360
<v Speaker 2>up top from top to it was.

1:19:22.720 --> 1:19:26.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was a very intense. Every scene was very

1:19:26.320 --> 1:19:32.040
<v Speaker 4>very intense. Was Eddie normal in life, that little Yeah,

1:19:32.400 --> 1:19:33.000
<v Speaker 4>yeah he was.

1:19:33.160 --> 1:19:33.439
<v Speaker 2>He was.

1:19:33.600 --> 1:19:34.360
<v Speaker 4>He was very cool.

1:19:34.840 --> 1:19:37.200
<v Speaker 1>That guy works a ton. I looked up his IMDb.

1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:40.000
<v Speaker 1>He's a huge he works all the time.

1:19:40.360 --> 1:19:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

1:19:41.200 --> 1:19:44.280
<v Speaker 4>Can I tell you a very funny story? I don't know. Yeah,

1:19:44.320 --> 1:19:47.240
<v Speaker 4>well you tell us everything. We want to know everything.

1:19:48.760 --> 1:19:53.519
<v Speaker 4>One of the the other guest actors was he was so.

1:19:55.160 --> 1:19:59.240
<v Speaker 5>Nice and like enthusiastic, and he had helped another actor

1:19:59.400 --> 1:20:02.720
<v Speaker 5>on it with they with an audition. He helped him

1:20:02.720 --> 1:20:04.519
<v Speaker 5>tape an audition and I just remember he was so

1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:08.640
<v Speaker 5>like pumped about how good this audition was. That he

1:20:08.760 --> 1:20:11.680
<v Speaker 5>made the guy like show me the audition and it

1:20:11.760 --> 1:20:14.240
<v Speaker 5>was an enthusiasm and like a sweetness that I was like,

1:20:14.439 --> 1:20:17.160
<v Speaker 5>is this I mean, twenty year old me was like,

1:20:17.680 --> 1:20:21.400
<v Speaker 5>is this like the first like thing he has ever done?

1:20:21.680 --> 1:20:25.320
<v Speaker 5>Like he's he's just like so happy to be there

1:20:25.479 --> 1:20:29.120
<v Speaker 5>and positive and kind. And I look afterwards, I looked

1:20:29.160 --> 1:20:31.160
<v Speaker 5>it up and obviously it wasn't he'd been working a

1:20:31.200 --> 1:20:32.040
<v Speaker 5>lot for a long time.

1:20:32.160 --> 1:20:35.120
<v Speaker 4>But that ended up being Petro Pascal.

1:20:36.080 --> 1:20:37.080
<v Speaker 1>He was my god.

1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:42.519
<v Speaker 4>So he was so positive and like, yeah, I was

1:20:42.640 --> 1:20:47.679
<v Speaker 4>just like he seems like new he that's so funny.

1:20:47.840 --> 1:20:49.960
<v Speaker 5>He still had the he still had the energy of

1:20:50.120 --> 1:20:54.200
<v Speaker 5>U obviously obviously he still does. It's like an enthusiasm.

1:20:54.360 --> 1:20:56.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, Apa.

1:20:56.400 --> 1:20:59.280
<v Speaker 2>There's a current interview where they bring up Buffy and

1:20:59.439 --> 1:21:03.000
<v Speaker 2>he remembers every single detail and that it helped get

1:21:03.040 --> 1:21:07.320
<v Speaker 2>a sad car like he truly like loves all these things.

1:21:07.479 --> 1:21:10.200
<v Speaker 2>And I can't believe you were like, yeah, this guy's

1:21:10.200 --> 1:21:16.400
<v Speaker 2>a freak and now he's just jaded. Yeah, you were

1:21:16.439 --> 1:21:18.920
<v Speaker 2>a jaded young twenty year old in the.

1:21:18.960 --> 1:21:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Biz because he talked he talks about us for you

1:21:21.720 --> 1:21:23.360
<v Speaker 1>too in interviews, Like he talked.

1:21:23.120 --> 1:21:25.639
<v Speaker 4>About it fondly, like I think he yeah.

1:21:25.680 --> 1:21:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was so.

1:21:26.439 --> 1:21:29.360
<v Speaker 4>I just remember he was so like happy to be

1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:32.680
<v Speaker 4>there and happy to like work how hard? Yeah, tell

1:21:32.760 --> 1:21:36.200
<v Speaker 4>us how the shooting choreo went. You know, they had

1:21:36.280 --> 1:21:36.519
<v Speaker 4>like the.

1:21:36.600 --> 1:21:39.960
<v Speaker 5>Face like the blank like quarter rounds or whatever. And

1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:42.479
<v Speaker 5>I had never shot a gun before, and so they

1:21:42.560 --> 1:21:45.080
<v Speaker 5>had me like practice it a few times, like on

1:21:45.280 --> 1:21:49.320
<v Speaker 5>the day once they had the firearms men there, and

1:21:50.000 --> 1:21:55.760
<v Speaker 5>like I didn't anticipate being as afraid of guns as

1:21:55.920 --> 1:21:58.840
<v Speaker 5>I learned I am. On that day, Like every time

1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:00.479
<v Speaker 5>the guy would come and you know, they had they

1:22:00.640 --> 1:22:03.880
<v Speaker 5>like show you like that there's that the front of

1:22:03.920 --> 1:22:06.479
<v Speaker 5>the gun is plug and there's nothing in the in

1:22:06.640 --> 1:22:10.240
<v Speaker 5>the chamber and whatever. And every time the guy would

1:22:10.240 --> 1:22:11.479
<v Speaker 5>come up to like show me that stuff and like

1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:13.400
<v Speaker 5>hand it to me and I would like put it

1:22:13.520 --> 1:22:15.880
<v Speaker 5>in my in my belt, I would like start crying

1:22:16.680 --> 1:22:19.160
<v Speaker 5>because I was just I just really I really don't

1:22:19.280 --> 1:22:23.080
<v Speaker 5>like him. Yeah, I like they freak me out. And

1:22:23.560 --> 1:22:27.960
<v Speaker 5>uh he was very kind and he like looked distressed

1:22:28.000 --> 1:22:28.400
<v Speaker 5>every time.

1:22:28.439 --> 1:22:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like okay, like yeah, I would probably feel

1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the same, like I don't like them. I've never really

1:22:35.400 --> 1:22:37.559
<v Speaker 1>I've never shot anything but like a rifle at summer

1:22:37.600 --> 1:22:39.920
<v Speaker 1>camp for you know, like I've never and I would

1:22:39.960 --> 1:22:42.120
<v Speaker 1>be scared and then you're pointing it at real people

1:22:42.360 --> 1:22:43.679
<v Speaker 1>and yeah like yeah.

1:22:43.479 --> 1:22:46.120
<v Speaker 4>And you see like the squibs and stuff go off.

1:22:46.479 --> 1:22:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Like it was scary.

1:22:47.920 --> 1:22:51.160
<v Speaker 5>Uh oh yeah, I had I like didn't anticipate. I

1:22:51.240 --> 1:22:53.400
<v Speaker 5>had like nightmares about it for a little while.

1:22:54.240 --> 1:22:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, how many times did you do this

1:22:57.160 --> 1:22:58.879
<v Speaker 2>the whole shootout?

1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:04.640
<v Speaker 4>Mmmm? I don't no, I can't remember that.

1:23:04.720 --> 1:23:07.040
<v Speaker 5>It was like a full day of she like that

1:23:07.640 --> 1:23:10.000
<v Speaker 5>they scheduled it out for a full day because it

1:23:10.160 --> 1:23:12.640
<v Speaker 5>was there was so many angles and stuff. It was

1:23:12.680 --> 1:23:15.439
<v Speaker 5>my first time having like my only time I think,

1:23:15.560 --> 1:23:19.680
<v Speaker 5>having like a squib too, where like it you know,

1:23:19.800 --> 1:23:22.680
<v Speaker 5>I get shot and it explodes, and that was I

1:23:22.840 --> 1:23:26.000
<v Speaker 5>was nervous about that the first time. I screamed when

1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:28.439
<v Speaker 5>it happened, which like I don't think happens when you

1:23:28.520 --> 1:23:29.040
<v Speaker 5>actually get it.

1:23:29.120 --> 1:23:35.559
<v Speaker 4>Maybe it does. Yeah, yeah, for sure they didn't. They

1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:38.160
<v Speaker 4>didn't put that one in the I watched it back.

1:23:38.200 --> 1:23:41.080
<v Speaker 4>They didn't put that take in the in the episode.

1:23:41.400 --> 1:23:44.560
<v Speaker 4>And you spit out blood too, mm hmmm, what was

1:23:44.640 --> 1:23:45.320
<v Speaker 4>that tasty?

1:23:47.640 --> 1:23:50.519
<v Speaker 5>It's like usually like a corn syrup kind of kind

1:23:50.560 --> 1:23:53.000
<v Speaker 5>of thing. It's never it's like it's viscous in a

1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:55.599
<v Speaker 5>way that is not pleasant.

1:23:56.520 --> 1:23:59.639
<v Speaker 1>Actually, that's funny that you mentioned corn syrup. I made

1:23:59.680 --> 1:24:02.040
<v Speaker 1>my own blood when I went to Joe's Halloween party

1:24:02.320 --> 1:24:04.040
<v Speaker 1>right before pandemic when.

1:24:03.960 --> 1:24:06.600
<v Speaker 4>I was a move at homes. So I had a

1:24:06.640 --> 1:24:10.040
<v Speaker 4>little viol of blood and I made it very enough. So, yeah,

1:24:10.120 --> 1:24:14.400
<v Speaker 4>you guys are a Halloween couple. Yes, I like uh,

1:24:15.120 --> 1:24:16.400
<v Speaker 4>I like haunted houses.

1:24:16.439 --> 1:24:19.840
<v Speaker 5>I like going to you know, the like Halloween horror

1:24:19.960 --> 1:24:22.479
<v Speaker 5>nights and yeah, not scary farm.

1:24:22.560 --> 1:24:24.920
<v Speaker 4>I went to this year very fun.

1:24:25.280 --> 1:24:27.080
<v Speaker 1>I want to there next year. I heard that's really good.

1:24:27.080 --> 1:24:29.599
<v Speaker 1>I've done Halloween horror nites twice, but never not scary,

1:24:29.640 --> 1:24:30.320
<v Speaker 1>and I'm excited.

1:24:30.760 --> 1:24:35.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's it was great. And Joe likes hosting parties

1:24:35.960 --> 1:24:40.080
<v Speaker 5>and dressing up. Yes, I like decorating, so I can decorate,

1:24:40.200 --> 1:24:42.920
<v Speaker 5>he can, and then once the party starts, I just

1:24:43.000 --> 1:24:47.639
<v Speaker 5>kind of become a partygoer and he takes over hosting duty,

1:24:48.000 --> 1:24:49.200
<v Speaker 5>which is great.

1:24:49.439 --> 1:24:51.160
<v Speaker 4>You're like, I don't know where ice is, I don't

1:24:51.160 --> 1:24:54.840
<v Speaker 4>know how to find more drinks. I'm sorry. Wow, I

1:24:54.880 --> 1:24:57.519
<v Speaker 4>would like to dive into the catalog. So I made

1:24:57.560 --> 1:24:57.880
<v Speaker 4>a list.

1:24:58.000 --> 1:25:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I went to the IMDb I made and I'll just say,

1:25:01.040 --> 1:25:03.839
<v Speaker 2>a show, you're in a lot of like beloved shows,

1:25:03.960 --> 1:25:04.719
<v Speaker 2>and then you'll tell.

1:25:04.680 --> 1:25:09.439
<v Speaker 4>Us something about it. Okay, all right, I'm gonna Gilmore Girls.

1:25:09.680 --> 1:25:13.880
<v Speaker 5>Gilmore Girls. That was the first TV or film thing

1:25:14.080 --> 1:25:16.519
<v Speaker 5>I had ever done out in LA. It was the

1:25:16.560 --> 1:25:18.600
<v Speaker 5>first part like part that I've done a couple of

1:25:18.640 --> 1:25:22.160
<v Speaker 5>commercials up until then, but it was my favorite show

1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:28.360
<v Speaker 5>and it was just like a complete, like surreal dream

1:25:28.520 --> 1:25:30.400
<v Speaker 5>to be on it. Like I still I'm one of

1:25:30.479 --> 1:25:33.400
<v Speaker 5>those people who will like watch it in the fall.

1:25:33.840 --> 1:25:36.280
<v Speaker 5>I like, I really enjoy it, but I have to

1:25:36.400 --> 1:25:39.200
<v Speaker 5>there's something like the two episodes that I'm in, I

1:25:39.439 --> 1:25:41.880
<v Speaker 5>just skip those two because it like messes with my

1:25:42.200 --> 1:25:43.880
<v Speaker 5>like dream world.

1:25:44.800 --> 1:25:46.720
<v Speaker 4>So I just like, I just you know, I just

1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:51.559
<v Speaker 4>watch it. That's so fun, and I skip those two episodes. Okay,

1:25:51.800 --> 1:25:53.479
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, You're like, that takes me out of it.

1:25:53.560 --> 1:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like when I see an Ectron SVU that's already

1:25:55.920 --> 1:25:57.920
<v Speaker 1>played a killer and now they're playing like a lawyer.

1:25:58.040 --> 1:25:59.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, this is taking me out of it. So

1:25:59.760 --> 1:26:02.120
<v Speaker 4>that oh, you see yourself would take you out. I know,

1:26:02.760 --> 1:26:04.840
<v Speaker 4>that's what I'm hoping for. I hope they I hope

1:26:04.880 --> 1:26:07.080
<v Speaker 4>they bring me back. Someday. They will bring you back.

1:26:07.200 --> 1:26:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Someday they've got I mean, I don't know, though, You're

1:26:09.840 --> 1:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>so this part is so iconic, but I think they will.

1:26:12.400 --> 1:26:15.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's been literally double as many episodes. It's

1:26:15.800 --> 1:26:17.439
<v Speaker 1>like Anothery're on season twenty six.

1:26:17.560 --> 1:26:22.320
<v Speaker 2>So Kelly Bishop from we both it's our blind Spot

1:26:22.360 --> 1:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>and neither of us have watched Gilbourg girl.

1:26:23.880 --> 1:26:26.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so people will be like, you didn't talk about

1:26:26.439 --> 1:26:27.200
<v Speaker 4>it enough and.

1:26:27.360 --> 1:26:31.320
<v Speaker 1>So oh yeah, because Kelly Bishop's in an episode where

1:26:31.360 --> 1:26:33.840
<v Speaker 1>she gets killed and we we're just like, oh, she's great,

1:26:33.920 --> 1:26:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah she does Broadway blah, oh we don't mention Gilmore Girls.

1:26:36.280 --> 1:26:39.040
<v Speaker 1>And they went off. They were so mad. So here

1:26:39.120 --> 1:26:43.080
<v Speaker 1>we are refilling their Gilmore Girls tank with you. That's

1:26:43.520 --> 1:26:47.920
<v Speaker 1>so exciting. And wait, can I say one Sons of Anarchy?

1:26:48.120 --> 1:26:50.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm a huge I was a huge fan of Sons

1:26:50.640 --> 1:26:53.439
<v Speaker 1>of Anarchy. I completely never put it together that you

1:26:53.560 --> 1:26:56.560
<v Speaker 1>were Brooke, Like I just I watched that whole I

1:26:56.640 --> 1:26:59.559
<v Speaker 1>watched it before I knew Joe or you or anybody,

1:26:59.640 --> 1:27:03.120
<v Speaker 1>and so like I didn't, and now I'm like, oh, yes,

1:27:04.400 --> 1:27:08.760
<v Speaker 1>you were like rat Boy's girlfriend, right, mm hmm, yeah,

1:27:08.920 --> 1:27:09.360
<v Speaker 1>how was that?

1:27:10.640 --> 1:27:10.920
<v Speaker 3>It was?

1:27:11.120 --> 1:27:12.400
<v Speaker 4>It was very very cool.

1:27:12.479 --> 1:27:16.000
<v Speaker 5>I've I've never That's like maybe the thing that I

1:27:16.120 --> 1:27:21.080
<v Speaker 5>get recognized for the most. Really it's it's it has

1:27:21.840 --> 1:27:25.240
<v Speaker 5>a lot of people love that show and they're scared,

1:27:26.200 --> 1:27:30.280
<v Speaker 5>like no, no, they're usually very cool people to watch.

1:27:31.240 --> 1:27:35.400
<v Speaker 5>It's yeah, I I I've only watched the first couple

1:27:35.439 --> 1:27:37.840
<v Speaker 5>of seasons because it is it gets very violent and

1:27:37.960 --> 1:27:38.280
<v Speaker 5>that like.

1:27:38.479 --> 1:27:41.320
<v Speaker 1>So violent, Like there are scenes from that show that

1:27:41.479 --> 1:27:43.440
<v Speaker 1>I still think about how violent.

1:27:43.240 --> 1:27:44.960
<v Speaker 4>They are are, like haunting.

1:27:45.120 --> 1:27:48.240
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I was able to watch the last season

1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:50.080
<v Speaker 5>because I had read a lot of the scripts and

1:27:50.160 --> 1:27:52.479
<v Speaker 5>so I knew what was going to happen, because usually

1:27:52.520 --> 1:27:55.519
<v Speaker 5>it's like the tension of like somebody being and you know,

1:27:55.640 --> 1:27:58.000
<v Speaker 5>like and that that's the thing that I that I

1:27:58.080 --> 1:27:59.680
<v Speaker 5>can't handle, and so I was able to watch it.

1:27:59.720 --> 1:28:03.400
<v Speaker 5>It's it's crazy what people can get it on cable,

1:28:03.600 --> 1:28:04.240
<v Speaker 5>can show on TV.

1:28:04.360 --> 1:28:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, like I was always I mean I watched

1:28:06.760 --> 1:28:09.360
<v Speaker 1>it all pretty much after the fact. I like that

1:28:09.439 --> 1:28:11.280
<v Speaker 1>it was on or I caught up and then I

1:28:11.360 --> 1:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>caught up with like the last season or something. But

1:28:13.080 --> 1:28:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know, this is on my computer,

1:28:15.120 --> 1:28:19.360
<v Speaker 1>but this feels like too much for cable. But wait,

1:28:19.600 --> 1:28:24.080
<v Speaker 1>so what's the story with this show? Lie to me

1:28:24.160 --> 1:28:26.880
<v Speaker 1>because that was like a huge series regular. Oh my god,

1:28:27.080 --> 1:28:29.479
<v Speaker 1>the photo of you with Tim Row, Like, I have

1:28:29.600 --> 1:28:31.720
<v Speaker 1>such a crush on him. I am obsessed with him,

1:28:31.960 --> 1:28:34.759
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I would like to know a lot of information.

1:28:35.080 --> 1:28:36.479
<v Speaker 4>Oh he's terrific.

1:28:37.280 --> 1:28:39.200
<v Speaker 5>It was, Yeah, it's the it was like the first

1:28:39.439 --> 1:28:42.240
<v Speaker 5>kind of series the only series regular thing I have

1:28:42.439 --> 1:28:45.200
<v Speaker 5>I have ever done. I played his daughter on it,

1:28:45.880 --> 1:28:48.840
<v Speaker 5>and he is like a human light detector in the show.

1:28:49.960 --> 1:28:53.919
<v Speaker 5>I'm his one blind spot. He can't help it lying

1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:57.400
<v Speaker 5>or like he can, but like if he can, he

1:28:57.560 --> 1:29:00.080
<v Speaker 5>like doesn't know how to, you know, I make and

1:29:00.160 --> 1:29:02.720
<v Speaker 5>promise that he'll never use his techniques on me or

1:29:02.800 --> 1:29:05.760
<v Speaker 5>what it was.

1:29:06.080 --> 1:29:09.080
<v Speaker 4>It was very very I had so much fun with him.

1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:12.479
<v Speaker 5>I Yeah, he and I got along really well, and

1:29:12.640 --> 1:29:16.400
<v Speaker 5>like he you know, he basically treated me like his daughter.

1:29:17.840 --> 1:29:19.479
<v Speaker 4>We had We had so much fun.

1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:21.880
<v Speaker 5>He was actually in he just happened to be in

1:29:22.040 --> 1:29:25.280
<v Speaker 5>New York, uh, working on something else when I was

1:29:25.360 --> 1:29:29.120
<v Speaker 5>doing my episode of SVU, And so we like met

1:29:29.200 --> 1:29:31.680
<v Speaker 5>up and hung out when we were there because it

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<v Speaker 5>was like around the time I think it light to

1:29:35.240 --> 1:29:38.360
<v Speaker 5>me had like ended was around then until we were

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<v Speaker 5>still like talking a whole bunch.

1:29:40.560 --> 1:29:45.479
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, we like a little in New York.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we like freaked people out a couple of times,

1:29:48.000 --> 1:29:50.200
<v Speaker 5>like going to restaurants or whatever, and they'd be like.

1:29:50.200 --> 1:29:53.200
<v Speaker 4>What are what what are you doing here? Are you together?

1:29:54.080 --> 1:29:57.080
<v Speaker 4>Like they thought we were actually uh father and daughter

1:29:57.400 --> 1:29:59.320
<v Speaker 4>and you were like a teen when you did that one.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I had like maybe I just turned eight. I

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<v Speaker 5>was like just about to turn eighteen when I started

1:30:07.000 --> 1:30:11.280
<v Speaker 5>doing that. It was like seventeen to nineteen or twenty.

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of want to do a fuck Mary kill

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<v Speaker 4>with the guys in the cage.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Pedro, Pascal, the guy Eddy, Eddie, and

1:30:25.000 --> 1:30:27.800
<v Speaker 1>then the rapist hair drop.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he gotta kill Luke. Yeah, you gotta guy now

1:30:34.720 --> 1:30:42.080
<v Speaker 5>in a rapist Yeah, number one. What do you think

1:30:42.200 --> 1:30:43.200
<v Speaker 5>Mary Page Pascal?

1:30:43.479 --> 1:30:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, And then I guess you just have to

1:30:45.280 --> 1:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>have a romp with Eddie. But it's not Yeah, but

1:30:48.320 --> 1:30:50.519
<v Speaker 2>Eddie's cute. He's got a sense of humor. He's just

1:30:50.640 --> 1:30:55.519
<v Speaker 2>on the wrong side of the tracks exactly. He's like

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<v Speaker 2>the sad track list almost dude we've ever seen honest.

1:31:00.720 --> 1:31:03.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like an Ali Kat in a Disney movie

1:31:03.680 --> 1:31:10.400
<v Speaker 4>or something. That guy totally well yeah, Pedro selling the

1:31:10.520 --> 1:31:13.000
<v Speaker 4>guns to the I mean, what a dynamic episode to

1:31:13.120 --> 1:31:14.800
<v Speaker 4>be a part of. Mm hmmm.

1:31:15.040 --> 1:31:18.920
<v Speaker 5>And you know this is going to I feel incredibly

1:31:20.040 --> 1:31:24.719
<v Speaker 5>dumb admitting this, uh, but I watched it back last

1:31:24.800 --> 1:31:28.040
<v Speaker 5>night and I never thought about how the episode is

1:31:28.080 --> 1:31:33.040
<v Speaker 5>called Smoked and they're doing like cigarette uh illegal cigarettes

1:31:33.680 --> 1:31:36.120
<v Speaker 5>uh involved in you know, like they say like I

1:31:36.240 --> 1:31:36.960
<v Speaker 5>smoked the bitch.

1:31:37.040 --> 1:31:40.439
<v Speaker 4>That's like the line. But also they are it's a

1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:41.400
<v Speaker 4>cigarette sting.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think about it till that they I didn't

1:31:44.280 --> 1:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>think about that either, but that is like, so I

1:31:47.640 --> 1:31:50.360
<v Speaker 1>feel like they're always trying to like add little layers and.

1:31:50.439 --> 1:31:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Stuff and like, well, because this was also the showrunner,

1:31:53.720 --> 1:31:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Neil Bear's final episode, you know, he left, and so yeah,

1:31:58.000 --> 1:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>that's like a nice that's fair him on the way out,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, yeah, now.

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<v Speaker 5>Now here's something that I believe, Like I believe I

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<v Speaker 5>was told on set, or maybe I just read it

1:32:11.000 --> 1:32:15.080
<v Speaker 5>after the fact, but it was Neilbhaar's last episode, and

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<v Speaker 5>I think somebody told me that he had created the

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<v Speaker 5>character of Sister Peg, he had written her first episode.

1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:23.200
<v Speaker 4>We might have to go back and check this. That's

1:32:23.240 --> 1:32:24.960
<v Speaker 4>probably true. We could double check.

1:32:25.040 --> 1:32:28.320
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, they brought her back after like she hadn't

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<v Speaker 5>been on for a few years, and they brought her

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<v Speaker 5>back just so he could take her with him because

1:32:34.280 --> 1:32:36.800
<v Speaker 5>he was leaving, and he was like, she's mine.

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<v Speaker 4>If I can't have her, no one can. A little freak.

1:32:43.479 --> 1:32:45.679
<v Speaker 4>But you might have to look that up and verify

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<v Speaker 4>it first.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're IMDb most current thing scare tactics. What is that? Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I saw it on your Insta too. What's up? Yeah,

1:32:55.920 --> 1:32:57.719
<v Speaker 4>a close friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>They rebooted Scare Tactics and.

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<v Speaker 5>With Monkey Paw uh Jordan Peele's production company, and so

1:33:07.400 --> 1:33:07.920
<v Speaker 5>they were.

1:33:09.600 --> 1:33:11.360
<v Speaker 4>You know making it. It's like as.

1:33:12.720 --> 1:33:15.280
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you had ever watched uh the

1:33:15.840 --> 1:33:19.880
<v Speaker 5>old version of it, but it's it's like as silly.

1:33:19.680 --> 1:33:22.639
<v Speaker 4>But they uh like the MTV show.

1:33:23.520 --> 1:33:26.160
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was on I think Sci Fi, but they

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<v Speaker 5>would like yes where they Yeah, they make you it's

1:33:30.760 --> 1:33:35.400
<v Speaker 5>it's a prank show where they make you think you're

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<v Speaker 5>like living out like an actual horror movie. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, that's crazy because like it was on the the

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<v Speaker 1>early aughts and it was on Sci Fi and and

1:33:46.200 --> 1:33:48.519
<v Speaker 1>it was first hosted the first two seasons by Shannon

1:33:48.600 --> 1:33:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Doherty r I P. Then a season, then Stephen Baldwin,

1:33:52.760 --> 1:33:56.679
<v Speaker 1>then Tracy Morgan. What a wild What a Wild Ride?

1:33:57.280 --> 1:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>And that was you know it's another guy. Yes, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>so did they scare you? Were you scared?

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<v Speaker 4>Thankfully?

1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:04.800
<v Speaker 2>No?

1:34:05.120 --> 1:34:05.719
<v Speaker 4>I got really.

1:34:05.840 --> 1:34:10.080
<v Speaker 5>Uh so, my my one of my very best friends,

1:34:10.160 --> 1:34:15.000
<v Speaker 5>Mollie her husband Alan uh was the showrunner for like

1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:20.559
<v Speaker 5>this new rebook and they were coming up.

1:34:20.600 --> 1:34:22.240
<v Speaker 4>This was like one of the last uh.

1:34:22.439 --> 1:34:26.080
<v Speaker 5>She is in a few of them. But this for

1:34:26.240 --> 1:34:29.800
<v Speaker 5>one of like the last pranks they were doing. They

1:34:29.840 --> 1:34:34.560
<v Speaker 5>shot it in in Atlanta. Uh, they were pranking some

1:34:35.479 --> 1:34:40.200
<v Speaker 5>they were doing a tie in with WWE wrestlers and so.

1:34:41.680 --> 1:34:43.960
<v Speaker 4>This some of the big ones.

1:34:44.600 --> 1:34:49.000
<v Speaker 5>This, this guy called Cody Rhodes was pranking this group

1:34:49.080 --> 1:34:53.200
<v Speaker 5>of wrestlers called the New Day And they they go

1:34:53.400 --> 1:34:56.760
<v Speaker 5>in thinking that they're going to be like judges in

1:34:56.920 --> 1:35:01.880
<v Speaker 5>a at the beginning of like an amaz race style show,

1:35:03.200 --> 1:35:05.799
<v Speaker 5>and so they are just there to like give advice

1:35:06.080 --> 1:35:10.360
<v Speaker 5>to the contestants, and one by one they were sending

1:35:10.479 --> 1:35:13.080
<v Speaker 5>us down and they had you know, some actors go

1:35:13.240 --> 1:35:17.960
<v Speaker 5>in and be like normal contestants for the show, and

1:35:18.120 --> 1:35:21.880
<v Speaker 5>then I come out and I'm like freak and then

1:35:22.000 --> 1:35:26.360
<v Speaker 5>like weird supernatural stuff starts happening and eventually scarcely.

1:35:26.520 --> 1:35:29.160
<v Speaker 4>It was very It was very elaborate and there were

1:35:29.280 --> 1:35:35.080
<v Speaker 4>like explosions and stuff. It was very crazy. Wow, what's

1:35:35.160 --> 1:35:38.080
<v Speaker 4>going on? Okay? Wait, well before we I want to

1:35:38.120 --> 1:35:39.439
<v Speaker 4>ask you what else you have going on?

1:35:39.560 --> 1:35:41.120
<v Speaker 2>But I just want to know if you have any

1:35:41.200 --> 1:35:46.840
<v Speaker 2>other like before we likes, I'd like to hear one.

1:35:47.000 --> 1:35:50.480
<v Speaker 4>Yes, that was that? I thought that was really the only.

1:35:51.920 --> 1:35:54.240
<v Speaker 5>The only real interaction I have with him is like

1:35:54.840 --> 1:35:57.360
<v Speaker 5>after he's shot me, when I when I have my

1:35:58.520 --> 1:35:59.720
<v Speaker 5>admission that I bought it off.

1:35:59.680 --> 1:35:59.920
<v Speaker 2>The st.

1:36:01.360 --> 1:36:04.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I love that you. You taught us all a

1:36:04.160 --> 1:36:06.080
<v Speaker 4>lesson on your way out. That was nice.

1:36:06.520 --> 1:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I thought that was so crazy that it

1:36:09.120 --> 1:36:12.120
<v Speaker 1>was like this episode of twenty twelve or eleven and

1:36:12.160 --> 1:36:14.439
<v Speaker 1>they're and like they're trying to make a gun control

1:36:14.520 --> 1:36:16.880
<v Speaker 1>statement and it's like thirteen years later and absolutely nothing

1:36:16.920 --> 1:36:17.400
<v Speaker 1>has changed.

1:36:18.800 --> 1:36:23.720
<v Speaker 4>But you yeah, you also you know that because you

1:36:23.800 --> 1:36:24.320
<v Speaker 4>watch the show.

1:36:24.360 --> 1:36:27.080
<v Speaker 1>You know Stabler has teen daughters, so everything, like it

1:36:27.160 --> 1:36:30.960
<v Speaker 1>must have just been an absolute mind fuck for this

1:36:31.160 --> 1:36:33.760
<v Speaker 1>character to have to like shoot this poor teen girl

1:36:33.800 --> 1:36:35.439
<v Speaker 1>who just lost her mom and everything.

1:36:35.880 --> 1:36:40.080
<v Speaker 5>But yes, tell us the honestly, really, the only interaction

1:36:40.240 --> 1:36:43.040
<v Speaker 5>that I had with him was when we were they

1:36:43.120 --> 1:36:46.519
<v Speaker 5>were before they like poured the blood around me and

1:36:46.600 --> 1:36:48.720
<v Speaker 5>stuff for the shot. We had kind of like a

1:36:48.800 --> 1:36:50.880
<v Speaker 5>brief thing where we were just like I was laying

1:36:50.920 --> 1:36:53.360
<v Speaker 5>on the ground and he was kneeling above me, and

1:36:53.960 --> 1:36:57.240
<v Speaker 5>we had a nice little conversation about my my I

1:36:57.360 --> 1:36:59.880
<v Speaker 5>had a pair of Doc Martins that I had bought

1:37:00.080 --> 1:37:01.599
<v Speaker 5>kind of recently, and he complimented.

1:37:01.680 --> 1:37:04.479
<v Speaker 4>He asked me where I got them? I got I

1:37:04.560 --> 1:37:07.680
<v Speaker 4>got to tell him where I bought my Okay fashion king.

1:37:08.560 --> 1:37:13.240
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and it like as a person who had watched

1:37:13.360 --> 1:37:15.840
<v Speaker 5>every single episode up until that point, it was very

1:37:16.040 --> 1:37:18.880
<v Speaker 5>uh obviously I still remember it.

1:37:19.360 --> 1:37:22.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oh my god, it was very important to me

1:37:22.520 --> 1:37:24.480
<v Speaker 4>that he liked my shoes. Amazing.

1:37:25.200 --> 1:37:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now you're there, you're the positive Pedro Pascal person.

1:37:29.720 --> 1:37:33.000
<v Speaker 4>Now it's cute. I'll come around full circle.

1:37:33.080 --> 1:37:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, m h.

1:37:34.760 --> 1:37:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Anything you'd like to plug, tell our people to find you,

1:37:38.360 --> 1:37:39.200
<v Speaker 4>any sort.

1:37:39.000 --> 1:37:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Of what's coming up. I saw you had some I

1:37:42.920 --> 1:37:45.760
<v Speaker 1>MDB stuff that's like in coming out.

1:37:45.880 --> 1:37:49.719
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I have, I've done. I've been very lucky

1:37:49.800 --> 1:37:55.040
<v Speaker 5>to have worked a fair amount this year. There are

1:37:55.040 --> 1:37:58.640
<v Speaker 5>a couple of things that like, like a TV thing.

1:37:58.720 --> 1:38:01.440
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if I'm loud. I signed a competenid

1:38:01.800 --> 1:38:02.479
<v Speaker 5>and I don't.

1:38:02.280 --> 1:38:06.840
<v Speaker 4>Know if I'm allowed to about an NDA project. Yeah,

1:38:06.920 --> 1:38:08.400
<v Speaker 4>it should be coming out next year.

1:38:09.560 --> 1:38:13.559
<v Speaker 5>I did a movie called Anywhere, like a little independent

1:38:13.640 --> 1:38:17.000
<v Speaker 5>movie that hopefully will go to a festival or come

1:38:17.040 --> 1:38:18.400
<v Speaker 5>out next year at some point.

1:38:19.040 --> 1:38:22.599
<v Speaker 4>Joe and I have been doing our silly videos.

1:38:22.960 --> 1:38:25.519
<v Speaker 5>We've been doing a lot of very cute, silly little

1:38:25.640 --> 1:38:26.679
<v Speaker 5>videos on Instagram.

1:38:27.040 --> 1:38:31.800
<v Speaker 4>I was watching they were so funny. We have a

1:38:31.880 --> 1:38:35.280
<v Speaker 4>lot of fun doing them. And then are you guys

1:38:35.360 --> 1:38:37.000
<v Speaker 4>busy eating kit kats or what?

1:38:37.800 --> 1:38:41.040
<v Speaker 5>Oh? Yeah, yeah, try and try and uh weird candies

1:38:41.200 --> 1:38:44.400
<v Speaker 5>and stuff. You know, we're getting into like a prime

1:38:44.600 --> 1:38:47.200
<v Speaker 5>candy season. You know, we just had Halloween, but now

1:38:47.240 --> 1:38:49.840
<v Speaker 5>we're going into Christmas, so there will be a.

1:38:49.880 --> 1:38:52.599
<v Speaker 4>Lot of stuff. I'm sure before you know it. It's easy.

1:38:52.680 --> 1:38:56.639
<v Speaker 4>Keep me pretty busy. Yeah, seasonal candies are coming day.

1:38:58.320 --> 1:39:03.080
<v Speaker 5>We have Scare Tactics is on Peacock and I think

1:39:03.240 --> 1:39:05.880
<v Speaker 5>the I think there are full episodes on YouTube as well.

1:39:06.160 --> 1:39:10.800
<v Speaker 4>All right, cool, I gotta see this wrestling crossover. Yeah,

1:39:10.920 --> 1:39:12.360
<v Speaker 4>in all the world. Very fun.

1:39:13.320 --> 1:39:15.800
<v Speaker 5>But I did get very scared, uh, I Like as

1:39:15.840 --> 1:39:18.680
<v Speaker 5>soon as I got there, I kept asking my friend Molly, like,

1:39:19.360 --> 1:39:22.880
<v Speaker 5>the prank isn't actually on me right, like I have

1:39:23.200 --> 1:39:25.719
<v Speaker 5>several times because I told Joe if he ever plays

1:39:25.720 --> 1:39:27.160
<v Speaker 5>a prank on me, I will break up with like,

1:39:27.240 --> 1:39:28.720
<v Speaker 5>no questions asked, will break up with.

1:39:28.920 --> 1:39:33.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh, you're like anti prank, I get they I can't

1:39:33.080 --> 1:39:35.880
<v Speaker 4>do it. Yeah, I know he knows that he knows

1:39:35.960 --> 1:39:38.720
<v Speaker 4>that if he branks you, it's done. Mm hmm.

1:39:39.000 --> 1:39:42.080
<v Speaker 2>This is kind of like you know on TikTok, like

1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:45.800
<v Speaker 2>the cake wedding smash thing like this. You know, boundaries

1:39:45.960 --> 1:39:46.559
<v Speaker 2>follow them.

1:39:47.040 --> 1:39:47.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah.

1:39:49.160 --> 1:39:51.599
<v Speaker 1>Wait, speaking of cake, I love the is It Cake

1:39:51.760 --> 1:39:53.800
<v Speaker 1>video that you guys do. I was watching that last

1:39:53.880 --> 1:39:55.639
<v Speaker 1>night and at the end I was really snorting.

1:39:56.479 --> 1:39:58.559
<v Speaker 4>Thank you. But yeah, so.

1:39:58.760 --> 1:40:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So people can just follow you on Insta and

1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:03.479
<v Speaker 1>hear about the future secret projects and watch your videos

1:40:03.479 --> 1:40:06.879
<v Speaker 1>with joke was all a very talented comedian, your partner.

1:40:08.439 --> 1:40:15.880
<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much, Thank you. This is great. I mean,

1:40:15.960 --> 1:40:16.800
<v Speaker 4>she was incredible.

1:40:17.320 --> 1:40:20.160
<v Speaker 2>It is fun to have a casual chat with someone

1:40:20.400 --> 1:40:22.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know what I mean who remembers every

1:40:22.680 --> 1:40:25.320
<v Speaker 2>single detail and cares about the show and the episode

1:40:25.360 --> 1:40:27.880
<v Speaker 2>and everything as much as you do, but more because

1:40:27.960 --> 1:40:32.200
<v Speaker 2>they experienced it. So really a thrill. But live on

1:40:32.400 --> 1:40:34.479
<v Speaker 2>my phone so you can know when we are recording this.

1:40:34.800 --> 1:40:37.000
<v Speaker 2>But Schwartz and Sandy's is closing.

1:40:37.840 --> 1:40:42.320
<v Speaker 1>No, as I called, literally almost a year from the day,

1:40:42.520 --> 1:40:45.479
<v Speaker 1>like I went there one year ago, like from two

1:40:45.560 --> 1:40:48.400
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago before I went to the Mariah Carey concert

1:40:48.560 --> 1:40:50.600
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, this place is not long for

1:40:50.680 --> 1:40:53.920
<v Speaker 1>this world and it took a year to fizzle.

1:40:54.479 --> 1:40:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just as Britney's opening a new bar in Weo too. Yeah, truly,

1:40:59.160 --> 1:41:02.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty one minutes go, all these posts just went up. Yeah,

1:41:03.000 --> 1:41:05.240
<v Speaker 2>so pretty cool. I mean, you'll you've all known this,

1:41:05.520 --> 1:41:09.280
<v Speaker 2>but it is it is an exclusive in theory.

1:41:10.200 --> 1:41:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah wow, wow, wow you heard it here first guys,

1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:17.320
<v Speaker 1>except this comes out in a few days, so you'll

1:41:17.360 --> 1:41:18.080
<v Speaker 1>have already heard it.

1:41:20.120 --> 1:41:24.639
<v Speaker 4>But okay, great talking to Haley so fun. Yeah.

1:41:24.680 --> 1:41:27.120
<v Speaker 1>I love talking to somebody that like loves watching the show,

1:41:27.240 --> 1:41:28.719
<v Speaker 1>like talking to Ricky and people.

1:41:28.920 --> 1:41:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that she was on set being like, okay, Pedro

1:41:32.720 --> 1:41:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Pescal gets some chill, you lose her, Yeah.

1:41:36.560 --> 1:41:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Relax, act like you've been here. But episode like, oh

1:41:43.600 --> 1:41:46.519
<v Speaker 1>my god, it's just in the top, like so much

1:41:46.560 --> 1:41:47.120
<v Speaker 1>shit happen.

1:41:47.200 --> 1:41:50.080
<v Speaker 4>She killed. It's like so fucked up.

1:41:50.240 --> 1:41:54.600
<v Speaker 1>She like she kills sister, peg Stabler kills her. She

1:41:54.960 --> 1:41:57.799
<v Speaker 1>does she even get the other guys like does.

1:41:58.680 --> 1:41:59.439
<v Speaker 4>Does she does?

1:41:59.520 --> 1:42:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Because then she really keeps getting him because he goes,

1:42:01.640 --> 1:42:03.600
<v Speaker 2>I should have killed you with your mom, you know.

1:42:03.840 --> 1:42:06.479
<v Speaker 1>So she gets so he does, she does kill him. Okay,

1:42:06.560 --> 1:42:08.599
<v Speaker 1>he finally gets it. I'm like just wondering if any

1:42:08.600 --> 1:42:10.760
<v Speaker 1>and then the other one goes like you crazy bitch,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're all still mean to her. It's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, why don't you still be nice to the

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<v Speaker 1>person with the gun that's willing to keep shooting, like

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be like you look cute, like save yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know why you're not like buttering her up.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so weird to keeping mean, uh yeah, yeah, not me.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not the guy. He's the guy. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>like do something else.

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<v Speaker 2>So strange all their decision making, but I guess they're

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, criminals.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can also kind of see I guess why

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Maloney's even though we know behind the scenes that

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<v Speaker 1>it was like a contract thing, but you can see

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<v Speaker 1>why Stabler was maybe like I gotta get out of

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<v Speaker 1>the game. I just killed someone my daughter's age, like, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It is like okay, like obviously su is good, Dick

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<v Speaker 2>Wolf's fine, everyone's fine. The show kept going, but loved

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<v Speaker 2>we meet people that stop watching after Stabler, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is just like, yeah, bosses are stupid, like why would

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<v Speaker 2>you get rid of our guy? But then we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have met Tomorrow and Rollins and all these people like

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<v Speaker 2>and crazy. I understand it all and it all works

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<v Speaker 2>out and they needed him back, but it is just

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<v Speaker 2>like embarrassing when talent is not I don't know, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll say this, it kind of shows how strong

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<v Speaker 1>she is Murrisha Harget that she was able to carry

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<v Speaker 1>it for another thirteen fourteen seasons after he left, And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that it could have been the say,

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<v Speaker 1>the other way around, Like I don't know if they

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<v Speaker 1>had just hired like another QT to be like stablers

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<v Speaker 1>under like my partner or something, if Mariushka had moved on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So that in a way point because her the opportunity

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<v Speaker 4>to flex.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because this happened to me a long time ago

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<v Speaker 2>business wise, where I had like two people kind of

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<v Speaker 2>split and I think one of was like, oh, everyone's

1:44:00.840 --> 1:44:03.519
<v Speaker 2>gonna go with me, and then nobody did. And then

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<v Speaker 2>now you realize like, oh, actually like this other one.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I don't know, it just it is monumental

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<v Speaker 2>in the lore and it changed everything. But I was

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<v Speaker 2>someone that's like, well, I'm not gonna watch and then

1:44:13.080 --> 1:44:14.200
<v Speaker 2>obviously I did mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no for sure, and I just it's so funny

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<v Speaker 1>that we just like see Jenna Fox when we're at

1:44:22.000 --> 1:44:25.200
<v Speaker 1>parties sometimes and stuff like it's crazy, like I know

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<v Speaker 1>this girl who had such a huge monumental thing like

1:44:29.600 --> 1:44:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Stabler shot or she shot sister peg. But I was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to think, like I don't know, the HTF gun

1:44:36.640 --> 1:44:39.880
<v Speaker 1>walking scandal, like what did we learned from that? I mean,

1:44:40.160 --> 1:44:44.920
<v Speaker 1>just botched jobs from the cops yet again, or the FEDS.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess these are the FEDS, the FEDS.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also just like everything's about money. It's about

1:44:50.320 --> 1:44:52.439
<v Speaker 2>all these government and business to do is just making

1:44:52.520 --> 1:44:56.000
<v Speaker 2>money and everything sucks, and it's they're all going to

1:44:56.040 --> 1:44:58.479
<v Speaker 2>be in charge of everything from now on, So get

1:44:58.600 --> 1:45:00.840
<v Speaker 2>used to this kind of life. Get used to a

1:45:01.000 --> 1:45:05.000
<v Speaker 2>government agency is not working and fucking you over more

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<v Speaker 2>publicly less secrets.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then this.

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<v Speaker 1>That case with Rachel Timmerman so fucking sad, so sad

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<v Speaker 1>because like she like I don't know, it's so hard

1:45:21.120 --> 1:45:24.040
<v Speaker 1>for women to come forward and like then these kind

1:45:24.040 --> 1:45:25.400
<v Speaker 1>of things, people like why don't you go to the cops.

1:45:25.439 --> 1:45:26.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like, look what happened to this girl. Look what

1:45:26.880 --> 1:45:29.960
<v Speaker 1>happened to this girl? Her rapist killed her and her child,

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<v Speaker 1>Like It's just ough, tough, tough case. But I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>that he saw justice as so many don't. But he

1:45:41.640 --> 1:45:45.360
<v Speaker 1>was a serial murderer, I mean, definitely responsible also for

1:45:45.439 --> 1:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>killing so many other people. I think he just thought

1:45:47.160 --> 1:45:49.120
<v Speaker 1>he could just kill everyone involved in this case and

1:45:49.200 --> 1:45:52.080
<v Speaker 1>be done with it. But I don't know what we

1:45:52.240 --> 1:45:55.800
<v Speaker 1>really learned from it, just that there are so many

1:45:55.880 --> 1:45:59.800
<v Speaker 1>monsters out there. I guess Marvin Gabriel as being one

1:45:59.840 --> 1:46:03.639
<v Speaker 1>of them. And then this fucking new Nicole do Frame case,

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<v Speaker 1>which I only touched on like gently. It's like I've

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<v Speaker 1>stood up to people in this like I've never stood

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<v Speaker 1>up to somebody that had a gun or was trying

1:46:11.760 --> 1:46:13.360
<v Speaker 1>to like rob me, But I've like stood up to

1:46:13.400 --> 1:46:15.840
<v Speaker 1>people in the city before and been like, hey, like

1:46:15.960 --> 1:46:17.840
<v Speaker 1>leave this person alone or whatever. And it's just so

1:46:18.040 --> 1:46:22.160
<v Speaker 1>scary to think that, you know, anybody could just whip

1:46:22.240 --> 1:46:24.639
<v Speaker 1>out a gun and fucking kill you. And again, guns

1:46:24.640 --> 1:46:29.800
<v Speaker 1>are the problem, but that could lead us right in

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<v Speaker 1>to our what would Sister Peg do?

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<v Speaker 4>Today? Are What would Sister Peg Do?

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<v Speaker 1>This is our weekly segment where we direct you towards

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<v Speaker 1>an organization or an article or a book or a movie,

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<v Speaker 1>a doc something to give you more info about what

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about today, and I wanted to point everybody

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<v Speaker 1>to an organization that we have mentioned before, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think they do amazing work and their mission bears repeating,

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<v Speaker 1>every Town for Gun Safety. Every Town is the largest

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<v Speaker 1>gun violence prevention organization in America. They are a grassroots

1:46:56.840 --> 1:46:59.639
<v Speaker 1>organization that advocates on the government level for gun safety.

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<v Speaker 1>They also support candidates that will govern for gun safety.

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<v Speaker 1>They empower survivors with their Survivor Network. They measure the impact, scale,

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<v Speaker 1>and implications of gun violence and the policies that can

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<v Speaker 1>prevent it. So I think they do amazing work and

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<v Speaker 1>for more info you can go to everytown dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for that, and next week we'll be doing Parents' Nightmare. Okay,

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