1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: You're listening to Seahawks Stories, taking you behind the scenes 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: with your favorite current and former Seahawks. Russell play fake, 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: drops back, going to throw a kind of man. It's 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: Matt cap hits out down to down Sayhawks powered by 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: Seahawks dot Com. Turbin in the backfield with Wilson, who 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: goes out of the shotgun. Look out, here comes from Blatt. 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: Russell steps up. Now he's got to scramble now he 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: talks to Turbine midfield forty five, forty down here sidelight 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: thirty twenty five, puts his head down on a run 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: by Turbin. He's all the way down to the Chargers 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: twenty one yard line, a thirty two yard pickup. Now, 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: here's your host, super Bowl forty eight champion, Robert Turbin. Yes, indeed, 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, welcome another episode of Seahawks Stories. We 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: are here with a special guest. You heard the highlight 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: right there because the San Diego Chargers. This guy a 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: former San Diego Charger there in LA Now Brian Walters 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: a k A. B. Wheezy in the house. What's going on? Bro? 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: How you know I knew we wouldn't get through a 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: whole podcast without a beeweezy coming out from Turbo. It's 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: always you, always you. First of all. You know, we 21 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: can't get through us, any introduction, any any place together 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: without the being wheezy, all right being identified. That is true. 23 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: I could be anywhere in the world now if I 24 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: hear someone said, be wheezy, Turbo, you're here, Tell the 25 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: people where beweezy? Where is it? What's the significance? What 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: is the significance of that? You're the one who came 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: up with it. But right, I would say, everyone calls 28 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: me b walt right. Usually that sticks everywhere I go. 29 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: And then Turbo puts his own little uh it's a 30 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: little pizzas to it, and beweezy comes out. Where did 31 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: that come from? I really don't know, man, you know 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: what is it? I don't know what it is. Man. 33 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: I was thinking, like we were on the field one 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: day and you know, you're playmaker, man, and I think 35 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,639 Speaker 1: some little Wayne was playing that practice. So you know, Wayne, 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: little Wayne is wheezy, and it just it just flowed. 37 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: Be weak. I like it. It's your own stamp on. Man. 38 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: It's good, it's good. That's what's up. Man. Well, I've 39 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: been I mean, I've been calling you that for a 40 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: number of years now, so whether you like it or not, 41 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: it's sticking. And what do I mean you twenty twelve, 42 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: two thirteen thirteen exactly, team exactly. That's where you signed 43 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: the Seattle which we'll get to in a little bit. 44 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: But first I want to thank you for coming on 45 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: to the show. I want to tell you a little 46 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: bit about the show. Seahawks Stories is a show predicated 47 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: upon former and current players sharing their stories. Man, the 48 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: stories that are behind the scenes that you don't get 49 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: to read about in the paper. I hear about in 50 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: the media, those untold stories during your days as a Seahawk. Man. 51 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: So I hope I hope the listeners got the popcorn 52 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: ready because he Wheezy was right there in the hot 53 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: sauce of it all. Uh, during those during those special 54 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: years as a Seahawk, which we'll get to. But before 55 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: we get to that, Man, you actually grew up here 56 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: in Washington, went to high school in Kirkland, so you're 57 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: a hometown native. Wanted to high school high school correct 58 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: went to Yeah, you were a three sport athlete baseball, basketball, 59 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: which I didn't see playing baseball. But I know you 60 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: got some some some hoop game. Man. We used to 61 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 1: have some good hoop battles. Yeah, we'll get into that. Yeah, 62 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: we'll get into that as well. And uh in football, man, 63 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: So you know, talk about those days and when did 64 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: you kind of transition to know that football was a 65 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: sport you were going to commit to, you know, growing up? 66 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: I guess when did I put the pads on for 67 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: the first time? When I was seven years old? Maybe, 68 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: And you know, there was a close one of my 69 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: best friends. Dad was like a big football coach, not 70 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: a big football coach, who was a football coach for 71 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, all his kids and brothers and and all that. 72 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: And I we were the Jeita Steelers or Kirkland Steelers 73 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: at the time, and so I was a quarterback and 74 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: we had we looked like the Steelers. It was great. 75 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: You know, we had the logo on one side, the stride, 76 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: we had the full full get up, man, we were 77 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: the Steelers. I was actually the big Steeler fan growing 78 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: up somethingow, I mean I was Seahawks were my team, 79 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: but then I always rooted for the Steelers. And who 80 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: was at the time, Cordell Stewart. I think was the 81 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: Steelers quarterback, right, So I was a quarterback. I were 82 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: number ten, So that's where ten was always my number 83 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: and every sport growing up, and but it all started 84 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: with that, and for some reason, football had always been 85 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: like that. That was it for me. That was the 86 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: season I look forward to the most. You know, I 87 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: played basketball, I played baseball. I think what was significant 88 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: about football is I couldn't play football year round. You know, 89 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: it was just a fall sport and and you know, 90 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: you did it in the summer. You know, maybe you 91 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: worked out and stuff as he got older into junior 92 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: high in high school, but the other sports you kind 93 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: of played year round, and you almost get burned out 94 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: by it. I think, you know, like, oh, you got 95 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: this baseball tournament this this weekend. Now you're going to 96 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: play poops down here, and it's just like you're always 97 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: on the move and you're not really like, I don't know, 98 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: there was nothing to There was not that thing to 99 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: look forward to about it because he was there all 100 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: the time. So when football season came around, you're like, 101 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: let's go, it's football season. Finally, like we gotta put 102 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: this helmet on, we gotta strap up, we gotta hit 103 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: some people, and I think that's where I became attached 104 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: to football. And it was always just there's always something 105 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: different about it, always something different about the game that 106 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: I like. And playing quarterback growing up was fun. You know, 107 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: you felt in control, you know, leading everything. That's what 108 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: I was. I was laying high school as a quarterback. 109 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: Receiver for one year, but then quarterback for a couple 110 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: of years. Growing up was quarterback. But that's where football became, 111 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, my passion. The other sports were kind of 112 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: just a hobby that I really enjoyed playing. All right, wow, man, 113 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean football. Man, if you're playing football, 114 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: you're around, you're probably gonna end up injured somewhere. That's 115 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: a very good point. Yeah, but you definitely even breaking. 116 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: I'm with you on having something to look look forward to. 117 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: It's only during you know, one part of the year, 118 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: whereas the other sports a year round. Man, A ton 119 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: of cents. So you go to Wanita, you're playing quarterback, 120 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: all right, you decide on football, and uh, you end 121 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: up going to Cornell University And where is that when 122 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: you moved to receiver. That's when I moved to receiver. 123 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: I was a prison an athlete and uh, I told 124 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: the coach that I wanted I wanted to be a 125 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: white out because that's kind of I don't know, being 126 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: a wide receiver is fun for me, you know, I'm 127 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: just catching everything and and doing that thing. But going 128 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: to come to coming across. Yeah, but Cornell was not 129 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: on my radar coming out of high school. I had 130 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: no idea where I wanted to go. But you know, 131 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't recruited at all by anybody. Really. I wanted 132 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: to go to Washington State. My parents both went to Wazoo, 133 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: and so I was. I grew up a huge Coog fan, 134 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: and that's where I wanted to be. I wanted to 135 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: play football there. And I met some coaches there, you know, 136 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: went to one other football camps and it was the 137 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: MVP at a camp. But still no recruiting by Washington State. 138 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: But that's where I met a Cornell football coach and 139 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: he's like, hey, come check this out. You have to 140 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: go to New York. I'm not where, okay, but and 141 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: I went out there on a recruiting trip that winner 142 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: and it was cold and snowy, but something just hit 143 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: me about it. I mean it was like everything I 144 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: saw everything I envisioned college life being as far as 145 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: the campus and the school and the football. The facilities 146 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: were great and the coaches and so that's where I mean. 147 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: It's amazing how fast things can change, right, you know, 148 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: you want to be state state kind of local play 149 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: some local football to going out east every single every 150 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: single year for football and for school. And I'm very 151 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: thankful for it. But you know, was not on the 152 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: radar at all. Were you gonna walk on to Wazoo first? Uh? No, 153 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: I was. So my other two options I had were 154 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: USD which actually Harbaugh was a coach, which is funny 155 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: with the whole you know, Seahawks harball stuff, but so 156 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: he was a coach. It was a coach. Drebno was 157 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: recruiting me, remember, and he was he was coaching with 158 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: San Francisco in those years that we beat him up 159 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship and stuff. So that was fun. 160 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: And it was Air Force Academy. It was the other 161 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: one I took a visit to for sure. De Berry 162 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: was the coach there, and that was my only really 163 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: offer at playing Division one A football, you know, in 164 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: the Mountain West. There was Air Force Academy. But the 165 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: other two were Cornell and USD, and I can't believe 166 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: he passed up on San Diego. Man, it was tempting. 167 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: It was tempting, but I had to. I had to 168 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: go to the edge. You know. Yeah, I hear the 169 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: USD is a good education too, But that was kind 170 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: of my my thoughts coming out. Well, speaking of education, 171 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Cornell obviously an IVY League school where academics 172 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: is very prominent in those schools. How how was it 173 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: managing both the academic part and obviously playing football? Man, 174 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: it was all right, this is what they'll say about Cornell. 175 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: All right, Cornell, they'll say is the easiest IVY League 176 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: to get into, but the hardest to graduate from. You know, 177 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: you go to Harvard, it's hard to get in, but 178 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: they'll walk you through it. You know, you'll get a 179 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: degree from it, I guess, you know, and all those 180 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: other schools. But Cornell was not like that one. I'm 181 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: pretty sure all the professors hated like football players. You know, 182 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: we were traveling to Dartmouth that weekend and coming back 183 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: and they're throwing the assignments on us that Friday, and 184 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: then when we got a game Saturday, we're not getting 185 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: It was just they did not you know, you always 186 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: hear about how college athletes might get like preferential treatment 187 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: or whatever from school. You know, they get a delay assignment, 188 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: whatever it is. We did not have that, and so 189 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: and it was brutal. Um, not not the not getting 190 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: preferential treatment or anything, but just the academics was I mean, 191 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: it was serious. I mean there was always something going on, 192 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: and you had to budget your time and you know, 193 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: you knew you had about four or five hours of 194 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: football every day, and so it was a constant you know, class, football, homework, sleep, 195 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: and that's pretty much the weekly, the day to day 196 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: life as an IVY league athlete. And it, I mean, 197 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm thankful for it now. Taught a lot of work 198 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: ethic and focus, but it was it was brutal. And yeah, 199 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: professors did not care. I mean I remember when my 200 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: first half I ever took. It was in the during 201 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: exam week or mid terms or whatever, and me and 202 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: my buddy was our quarterbacks has been. We sat down 203 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: to this exam, stared at this test and it was 204 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't one of my first I guess it was 205 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: like my junior year, but we stared at the news 206 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: the class was called applied Econometrics. I mean, I still 207 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: don't even know what that is. I passed the class somehow, 208 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: but uh, and we looked down at this test and 209 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: we looked at each other. We're like, and then we 210 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: see this late this uh another student in the class, 211 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: a girl just running down the aisle crying about the 212 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: test like this is like just crying and leaves the 213 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: room and everyone's like, oh, I mean that was just 214 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: kind of the thing that he saw on a regular basis. 215 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: That was fun. Wow. Wow, Well, you ended up having 216 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: a great career Cornell. Man. Let's check. Let's take a 217 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: look at some of these numbers. Man. Nine hundred and 218 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: seventy two return yards for your career two thousand and 219 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: seven hundred ninety kick return yards for your career. Both 220 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: are IVY League records. Man, that's crazy. Uh. You were 221 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: top five in all purpose yards over five thousand, second 222 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: all time, to be exact, one hundred forty four catches 223 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: over two thousand yards and reception yards top five all time, 224 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: fourth all time in both of those categories. Man, And 225 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: then you're inducted into the Hall of Fame at Cornell 226 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: in two twenty What was that feeling like, man, how 227 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: was that for you? Well, what's funny is the Hall 228 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: of Fame induction. Yes I was inducted, but we haven't 229 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: had that yet. We haven't had the actual induction yet 230 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: because of COVID. It keeps getting canceled. Right, So two 231 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: thousand and twenty we had it. It It was all set 232 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: up and they're like, no, next year, we're gonna do it. 233 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: We'll do it during homecoming game next year. All right, cool. 234 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: So this year comes around, we're a month out, you know, 235 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: we have our hotels flights, and they're like, guys, you 236 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: know this. At the time, it was this delta variants 237 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: taken over. You want to do it right for you guys. 238 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: Next year is the year, you know, right? But I 239 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: mean I had I always tell people if I if 240 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: I were to do it all all over again, I 241 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: would do the same thing I did. I'd go to 242 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: Cornell and played. You know, we weren't very successful. We 243 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: were not a good football team. I think we got 244 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: kind of worse every year. I think we're five, but 245 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: were were six and four or five and five, three 246 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: and seven, two and eight. Those are my four years there. 247 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: But it was very like thankful for all the guys 248 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: I met there. Um, you know, the kick return yardage record, 249 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: it's not not something really to brag about. It means 250 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:32,599 Speaker 1: we were getting scored on a lot. Look at it. Yeah, No, 251 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: I mean back, there are a lot returning kicks and 252 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: it's just not really that ideal. But probably return record. 253 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: I take a lot of pride. I think you don't 254 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: hold the record for most kickoff returns. No, I think 255 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: I did that one too, really yeah, not IVY League, 256 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: but I think Cornell maybe Okay, yeah, I don't know 257 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: is that even a record they were, I mean they 258 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: keep the SAT but you don't hold the record. Yeah 259 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: maybe though, Yeah, not not not IVY League, Cornell. I'm 260 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: pretty sure I do, but we don't. And there's a 261 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: lot of kid garf returners that don't get any yardage 262 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: at all. You know. That's that's that's true. But and 263 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: I was fortunate. I mean I did it for all 264 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: four years, which is nice, you know, being able to 265 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: return pumps and kicks as a freshman. Um, I think 266 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: that was a big deal for me, and get in 267 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: a little bitter doing get in the pros as well. 268 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: It was one of your one of your specialties. Man, 269 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: speaking of the pros. You have a great career Cornell 270 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: and here we are. Man. Uh, you know you're you're 271 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: in your fourth year. You know you have aspirations of 272 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: playing in the NFL. I'm assuming, um, you know, you 273 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: go undrafted. But what was that process? Like, I mean, 274 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: was that something that you were already kind of expecting 275 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: because you're you know, you're coming from Cornell Ivy League school? Um? 276 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: Or did you maybe see yourself going in the in 277 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: the in the late rounds? And uh? And then how 278 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: did you end up in San Diego? Yet? I had 279 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: u zero expectations going you know, I didn't choose Cornell 280 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: to go play in the NFL, right, you know when 281 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: that all started, that wasn't the goal. I knew. A 282 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: big decision was Hey, look, if you're good enough, they're 283 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna confind you. Right that's they got scouts 284 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: all out of the play. They'll find you and they'll 285 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: give you a chance if you're good enough. Good hope. 286 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: That's kind of what I went in thinking. So my 287 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: senior year, actually kind of my junior year, there's always 288 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: a scout from the San Diego Chargers, and for some 289 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: reason he always was coming in watching film on me. 290 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: I don't know where he founnoticed of me or anything, 291 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: but he was always the guy coming in so and 292 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: then senior year he kind of came in a few 293 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: times and just watching film and talking to coaches about me. 294 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: And so when it came down to it, league's only 295 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: a ten game season, so we get done pretty early. 296 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: So we're done the week before Thanksgiving, so there's there's 297 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: a lot of time to kind of you know, college 298 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: is still playing games and then ball games on, so 299 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of time dead for us as IVY 300 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: League football players. And I remember when the season ended, 301 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: I went in and sat in the office of my 302 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: strength coach, Tom Holley, and he's one of the best 303 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: coaches I've ever had, Like one of the best strength 304 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: coach is amazing guy. And I sat down and I 305 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: was like, well, first off, before I get to that story, 306 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: there was a nay coach I'm not gonna name names, 307 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: but another coach I was close with that I was 308 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: kind of like, hey, like, what do you think about me? 309 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: You know, training and trying to make it, you know, 310 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: in the NFL get picked up on a team and 311 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: make a training camp and go from there. This coach 312 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: is like Bran, now, no, gont do it. You can 313 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: name names. I have people who doubted me too, man, No, 314 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: no names there, I can't name names. He's a good buddy. 315 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: He's a good buddy. He's like, no, I wouldn't. Just 316 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a waste of your time. And and no, 317 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: I just as a wide out wide receiver coming from 318 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: the IVY League just not gonna happen, all right, whatever. 319 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: So I kind of went out of there and then 320 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: went to my strength coach, and my strength coach was 321 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: all about it, and he was like, yeah, let's do it. 322 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: I got you. Every day. You gotta be here nine 323 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: am or ten whatever it was. When his like little 324 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: break was and he's like, I got you. Um, but 325 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: the second like you start to fall off and you're 326 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: not dedicated to this, then we're gonna rap. We're not 327 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: gonna do it like we're gonna we're gonna college. You know, 328 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna work with you if you're gonna you know, hey, 329 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make it today. I'm not gonna make 330 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: it because you know it's not It's not like I'm 331 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: on the team anymore. I'm a senior. I have no 332 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: no commitments to the team, so I'm on my own 333 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: and you know that nine o'clock workouts easily like a 334 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: damn no, I'm not gonna go today. And so, but 335 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: he said, the second I don't show up, the second 336 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: I don't do it, he's like he's done. He's not 337 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: gonna help me through those. But we've kept with it 338 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: the whole offseason, the whole spring, and then the San 339 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: Diego Charger scout, Hey, man, he goes, hey, I'm gonna 340 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a pro day for Brian. I was like, okay. 341 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: I was planning on going up to Syracuse doing their 342 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: pro day, or come and over coming back home and 343 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: doing University Washingtons pro day, kind of jumping in that. 344 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: But San Diego scout he's like, no, I'll come, I'll 345 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: come to DIFCA and I'll run it for Brian. It's 346 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: like all right. So I had my It was nice, 347 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: said my college quarterback thrown to me. Yea day day 348 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: is just me. Another another wide receiver from Cornell participated 349 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: in it, but it wasn't. He was just doing it 350 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: to run um. And so I had my own pro 351 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: day and had great numbers like that ran route and 352 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: it was it was a good day. And the Charger 353 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: scout his name was Tom Gibbons. He was like, Hey, 354 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: this is awesome. We'll be in touch. Expect to expect 355 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: a call draft day. I knew I wasn't gonna get drafted, 356 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: but you know how the undrafted no one you know, 357 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: to get drafted. I think you have to have some 358 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: some kind of demand for you, right, some other teams 359 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: who think that they want you, and and so that's 360 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: why they draft, you know. So if only one team 361 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: wants me, then they're like, no, we don't need to 362 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: draft you on that, we'll just sign you afterwards and 363 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: so um. So, yeah, it was draft day and I 364 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: was I remember sitting at my desk. I was actually 365 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: doing homework, which is funny, and watching the draft on 366 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: my TV desk. And right when it ended, there was 367 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: about a couple of minutes later, I get a call 368 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: from a San Diego number area code and that was it. 369 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: H was down there next week for rookie minicamp. Wow. Wow, 370 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: you know San Diego. Anyway, after passing up on going 371 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: to school there, yeah, see, anybody would do that. I 372 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: know that would have been fun. It would have been 373 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: a good spot to be. But I got my San 374 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: Diego taste for two years there. Yeah, it was. It 375 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: was good. I love San Diego. It's such a cool city. 376 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: I lived in Lajoia for a little bit, well, my 377 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: first year, living with a former Cornell teammates family. Um, 378 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: you know, I was there for a little bit, and 379 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: then I moved to Laoia for my second year. Yeah. 380 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: I used to actually San Diego sell off season home. Man, 381 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: That's why I talk so highly about it. And I 382 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: lived all up and down the coast man, all the 383 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 1: way from you know when you land at the airport, downtown, 384 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: all the way down n to Carlsbad, you know, and 385 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: everything in between, Salana Beach, La Joya and and all 386 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: of that. Man. So I love it. I love it 387 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: down there, and I'm working on even getting right now. 388 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: The weather down there, it's as good as it gets. Yeah, 389 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: I need it right. And when I was in San 390 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: Diego for two years, right, two years of practice, we 391 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: had one rainy practice. One practice it was like a celebration. 392 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: Everyone's going nuts because as we were in the rain, 393 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: it was really weird. I was like, dude, I'm from Seattle, 394 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: this is this sucks. Okay, So you're in San Diego 395 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: for a couple of years, did you go to Minnesota 396 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: for a short stint? Right? Uh? And then he ended 397 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: up coming home and having an opportunity to play for 398 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: your hometown team, the Seattle Seahawks. Man how to talk 399 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: about not only the you know, the feeling of being 400 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: able to have an opportunity to play here, but kind 401 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: of the process that went into signing with Seattle in 402 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: two thousand. All right, yeah, this is kind of a 403 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: funny story, I tell everybody. H it was so I 404 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: got released by Minnesota. I was injured up there, ankle issues. 405 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: It was, yes, anyway, we won't get into all that. Um, 406 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: so I came back home. I was in Seattle and 407 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: I helped coach Juanita as just doing what it was 408 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: my position. I was a wide receivers coach, just hanging 409 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: out kind of coming in and they had a good 410 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: little state playoff run. So it's a fun time to 411 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: be there. But I signed with Seattle late late that year, 412 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: you know, when they had the we lost to Atlanta 413 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: in the playoffs and all that. So I was with them, 414 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: but coming into that it was December and so me 415 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: and one of my best buddies from college. He's East 416 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: co big skier and I love the ski, right, a big, 417 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,959 Speaker 1: big winter sports guy. So it came to December and 418 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: we're like, all right, hey, I'm not getting picked up 419 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: this year. Let's go, let's do a Whistler trip. He's like, 420 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: all right, coming out. So this is December twenty twelve, twelve, 421 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, this twous twelve. Yes, And so we're in 422 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: December two thousand and twelve and he's like, yeah, all right, 423 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: come on. So he gets on the flight, you know, 424 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: mid December. I don't remember exactly at the time, but 425 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: somewhere and maybe early December, and he's flying out to Vancouver. 426 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: I was gonna swing up and pick him up at 427 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: the Vancouver airport and we're gonna roll up to Whistler 428 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: and have a couple of days. And let me chime 429 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: in real quick because I just want to make sure 430 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: the story is clear. So when did you get released 431 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: from Minnesota? That was earlier in the early in the year. 432 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: Early in the year, Yeah, like training camper, like like 433 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: after the final cuts training camp, and you don't get 434 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 1: picked and so you go the whole season all season 435 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: coach in high school football, coach high school football. No, no, no, no, 436 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: not a lot of tryouts. I'm assuming, and I think teams. Okay, 437 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: So we're in December. Now, I've been training, I've you know, 438 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: I've been round football. But I'm in December and I'm 439 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: going all right, I'm not gonna get signed anywhere this year. 440 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: Um wow, So let's go ski, you know, but let's 441 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: let's start this process. So he's flying out. He's he's 442 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: between somewhere between New York and Vancouver in the air. 443 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: And then my agent calls me and this is a Monday. 444 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: I think a Monday. Um, you know, they usually do 445 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: the workouts on Tuesdays. It's a it's a Monday. And 446 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: he says, hey, Seattle wants to work you out tomorrow. 447 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I mean I gotta go to 448 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm going up on a ski trip. But he can wait. 449 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: So I kind of set up a hotel for my buddy, 450 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, I'm gonna be one day late. 451 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: Like go if there's a hotel airport, I'll put you 452 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: at it. He's like, all right, cool, no big deal. 453 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: So I pack all my ski stuff in my car, 454 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: drive down to the vMac. I'm loaded with I'm ready 455 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: to go to Whistler. I drive down to the vMac, 456 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: I pull in and you know, get all ready for 457 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: the workout, and I meet Pete Carroll and Pete comes out. 458 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: And the first thing, so to preface, my very first 459 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: game I had was San Diego preseason was against Seattle. Um, 460 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: it was against guys like Doug Baldwin, Carlo Lockett. Who 461 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: else was there? Sherman Richard Sherman was so so I 462 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: and I was a kick returner. Yeah, and uh, you 463 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: were there, I was there. I was there. Yeah. And 464 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: and so my very first game I ever played was 465 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: against Seattle and I returned to kickoff. It was on 466 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: It was a Monday night football game in the preseason. 467 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: I mean they called it Monday night, but it was 468 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: really a Saturday or Sunday. And I returned to kickoff 469 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: for a touchdown against them. So I got guys like 470 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: Sherman and Lockett and Doug chasing me down on this kickoff. 471 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: So I was given a hard time about that. But 472 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: so so when I walked into the vMac, the first 473 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: thing Pete said to me, and this was like a 474 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: year or two too, you know, a year or two ago. 475 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: I guess first thing he said to me is, hey, man, like, 476 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: why you gotta why you gotta do that to us? 477 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: So I gotta returned that kickoff was last year or 478 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: two years ago. I'm like, man, is crazy. He remembered 479 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: that it's a preseason game, and you know, he's already 480 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: been through a whole season and all this stuff, and 481 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: he remembers that about me, and so that was pretty cool. 482 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: It's like, all right, and that kind of that kind 483 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: of made me feel comfortable right away. But you know, 484 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: just did a workout. I had a great workout. It 485 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: was fine, and just exactly what I expected from him. 486 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: In the end, they were like, hey, yeah, be in 487 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: touch with us. We love it. You know, you're on 488 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: our short list, and you know, just just be ready. 489 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool, see yeah, got my car boom, 490 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: he'd up the Whistler. Pick up my buddy. We get 491 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: to Whistler and we pull in, we check in, we 492 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: go to the store. We're buying food or everything. It 493 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: starts stumping snow. We're all excited. We're gonna get some 494 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, fresh snow. In the next day, I wake 495 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: up about five am to my phone ringing, and it's 496 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: my agent and he's like, hey, Seattle signing you today, 497 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: you gotta go. I'm like what, and it is It 498 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: is a blizzard. I'm in Whistler and it is just dumping. 499 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, I've never seen snow like this before. And 500 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: so I just pop up and I leave my buddy, 501 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: who's never been out west skiing or anything. I'm like, dude, sorry, 502 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: I gotta go. He doesn't have a car up there, nothing. 503 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: I just believe him, and and I start. I hit 504 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: the you know, the freeway or the road down and 505 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: it is an absolute blizzard. I should not be driving 506 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: in this. And I'm driving like a madman, trying to 507 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: get back because they want to meet there for practice 508 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: that day. So it took it took me about seven 509 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: or eight hours to get home from Whistler that day. 510 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: It was snowing all the way from Whistler to Seattle 511 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: or maybe Belling somewhere, but it was snowing all the 512 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: way down. And road trip that you took, Yeah, it's 513 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 1: a road trip. No fight or anything like that. No, 514 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: no, no no, I drove to Whistler. He flew from New 515 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: York obviously, I drove from Seattle to Whistler, and so 516 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm cruising down and I mean, I probably should have 517 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: died the way I was driving in the snow, but 518 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: I made it. I made it just a little late 519 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: for practice though. So my very first day I show 520 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: up and I didn't even make practice. I just they 521 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,239 Speaker 1: kind of sat me inside against the wall because they 522 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: hadn't signed me officially yet, and so I could like 523 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: kind of watch it. Then I was on the next step. 524 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: So that was it. Wow. Wow, man. So you so 525 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: you're you're I mean, you're in Western You're ready to 526 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: hit the skis, the slopes, and man, all of a sudden, 527 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: you're back in Seattle getting ready to play football. Man. 528 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: And the crazy part about it is, I don't think 529 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: people understand the difficulty. Like you hadn't had a trout 530 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: all year long. Yeah, and you get signed in December. 531 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: That's crazy. And then you obviously go on to play 532 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: for Seattle for the next excuse me, what is it, 533 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: two three seasons, two seasons after two Super Bowl years? Yeah, right, 534 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: and so yeah, let's talk about that. Man. So, so 535 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: you signed in December after thinking your career is probably over, 536 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: your coaching high school football, You're getting ready to go ski. 537 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: You're probably thinking about, man, what am I gonna do next? 538 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: What is the transition looking like? In boom, an opportunity 539 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: presents itself. And not only that, you go to the 540 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: Super Bowl your first year, Right, we'll talk about not 541 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: only are you coming home to your hometown team, but 542 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,239 Speaker 1: now you're in the first Super Bowl, uh you know, 543 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: and not in the franchises history, but they win their 544 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: first Super Bowl in franchise history, and you get to 545 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: be a part of that. Man, talk about what that 546 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: meant to you. You know, man, it was crazy. And 547 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: here here's here's a funny thing. I remember when Seattle 548 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl. I was a senior in 549 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: high school. Um when you know Hastleback and Sean Alexander 550 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: and all those guys, And I remember being devastated that 551 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: they lost that thing, like you wanted to win so bad, 552 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: being a big Seahawks fan growing up. Looking back now, 553 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: you know when we won that, I kind of selfishly, 554 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I'm kind of glad they lost that. 555 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad we got that first one. So what a 556 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: what a blessing in disguise? That was the I'm losing 557 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: that one because because now we got the first and 558 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: now you know, I was part of that team my 559 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: hometown and and so it was pretty cool. But yeah, 560 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: I grew up a huge Seawk fan. My aunt used 561 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: to work for the Seahawks. She was she was there 562 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: in the front office with the you know, she worked 563 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: for Home Green and she worked for Flores or Flores 564 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: and god, I don't know, I forgot the other one. 565 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: Um head coach. Yeah, head coaches. So I was always there, 566 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, I'd go to I'd go to the practices 567 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: and all that, and so I was just always around 568 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: in Seattle. So it was it was a dream come 569 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: true to be able to to sign put on that 570 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: Hawk's helmet. I'll always remember running out of the tunnel, 571 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, my first preseason game. I guess what we 572 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: would have been with the Seahawk Union and all that 573 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: and um, but it just felt comfortable. And it was 574 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: my hometown. It was Seattle. I'd driven by the facility 575 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: whole time. I lived right by the facility in Kirkland 576 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: when they were there, and so I it wasn't uh, 577 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't different. You know, it wasn't like a weird adjustment. 578 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: It was just as like, thing, this is this is it, Like, 579 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: this is where I want to be, this is this 580 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: is perfect, this is the dream come true. And then 581 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: obviously went to Super We had one of the best, 582 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: the best team in Settle gree And you when you 583 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: when you talked about the first running out of the 584 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: tunnel on that preseason game with your Seahawks uniform on, 585 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: do you remember I know, for me, I grew up 586 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: in the Bay Area, right, so I was a forty 587 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: nine Ers fan, So you know, being on the Seahawks, 588 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: obviously we're playing the forty nine Ers twice a year, 589 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, one at home, one on the road. And 590 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: before the forty nine Ers moved, they were still at 591 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: Campbellstick Park, which didn't turn the pack Bell Park or whatever. 592 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: But you know when I when I came onto the 593 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: field in San Francisco as a rookie, I'm looking in 594 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: the stands and I'm like, man, I remember where I 595 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: was sitting. Literally, I remember the places that I sat, 596 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: the times that I came and I watched Frank Gore 597 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: and Garrison Hurst even you know before him for football. 598 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: Did you have that a similar experience when you came 599 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: out of the tunnel. You're on the field now as 600 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: a Seahawk and you're looking around the stands. It's like, man, 601 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: was there a place in the stands you remember being 602 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: as a high school kid, a young kid watching the 603 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: Seahawks play. Well, what's funny is growing up it was 604 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,719 Speaker 1: the Kingdom for me. Some of the games I went 605 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: to was We're in the Kingdom, and I just remember 606 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: being nosebleeds just up there. We didn't go to a 607 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: lot of games, but whenever I did, I just remember 608 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: being way up there. And you know, he thought the 609 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: Kingdom was the coolest thing ever. He was looking around, Man, 610 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: this thing is huge, and so that's what I remember. 611 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: I remember, you know, when when I was with San Diego, 612 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: we didn't make the playoffs my first year, and I 613 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: came home and Seahawks. It was when they got into 614 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: the playoffs with a losing record and they were playing 615 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: the Saints. It's a home game and beast quake, right, 616 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 1: and I was on the stands for that. I remember 617 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: contacting mo Kelly. I had the guy in. Mo Kelly 618 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: got me tickets to that game. I was there with 619 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: the buddy and and I was in you know the 620 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: family section or beast quake right where Marshawn ran into 621 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: the corner of that end zone. So I remember that, 622 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. Um, but just remember the people, uh, 623 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: all your friends and family, just like being there, you know, 624 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: I had a lot of ticket requests for that game, 625 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: and just looking up and seeing a bunch of people 626 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: there just rooting me on. And then the the text 627 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: messages and stuff afterwards, like dude, like you're all the 628 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: buddy's growing up, everyone who watched the game and then 629 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: finally like they see me on TV there because they 630 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: didn't see me in San Diego really and and that 631 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: was that was pretty surreal, I guess to exactly exactly right, yep, exactly. 632 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: So you come in after thinking your career is probably over. 633 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: You win the Super Bowl, then you have an opportunity 634 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: to obviously play for Seattle for a second year and 635 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: go to a second Super Bowl, which obviously didn't turn 636 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: out the way that we wanted to. There's a lot 637 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: of speculation, man, that goes into obviously the final uh 638 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, the final minutes of that that that game. 639 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: You know, how did you see it? Um? How did 640 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: you how did you see what happened there. Uh, you know, 641 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: was it just great play by the by the Patriots? 642 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: You know, was it something that offensively we could have 643 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: done better? Were you expecting a different play call? I 644 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: thought it was going to be some sort of read zone. 645 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: We're really going here, really going here? Man, we end 646 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: up in shotgun. I'm thinking for sure, we're probably doing 647 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: some sort of read zone with Marshaun and Rust and 648 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: then you know, we end up throwing it and losing 649 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: the game. But you know, talk about you know, kind 650 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: of just talk about what you what you thought you 651 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: were expecting, and then obviously the feelings that you had afterwards. Well, 652 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: obviously everything that could have went wrong went wrong, could 653 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: have gone wrong went wrong, right, Like, that's just how 654 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: that play it. I mean, ninety nine out of one 655 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: hundred times that does not happen. I mean maybe nine 656 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: hundred nine nine times a thousand times that does not happen. 657 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just such a fluke play the way 658 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 1: it all worked out. And I mean Malcolm Butler didn't 659 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: even really caught the ball. I mean he was kind 660 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: of the ball caught him somehow. But I understand the 661 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: past play, Okay, I understand that because for clock management purposes, right, 662 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: you have one time out left twenty seconds if you 663 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: if you run the ball, then you burn your time out, 664 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: and now you have what probably fifteen seconds with no 665 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: timeouts if you don't and you're gonna try to run it. 666 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: If you don't get it in the end zone, you're 667 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: scrambling for a fourth down at the super Bowl to 668 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: win the game, have to pass that play. That way, 669 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: you have two plays one time out. You can run 670 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: the ball to t get Marshaun in the zone. Went 671 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: for a play and tried to win a super Bowl 672 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: right there. That's not what you're thinking. You're not thinking. 673 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: You know, you're trying to win it right then. So 674 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, It's just it was the worst case scenario. 675 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: It could have possibly happened. You know, you'd like to 676 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: see Russ maybe roll out and hit someone outside the 677 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: pocket instead of but it's just, um, yeah, thanks for 678 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: bringing that up, bringing that memory. What about the execution? 679 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: What did you see in the I mean, obviously we 680 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: go we gotta rub set up there. Yeah, I'm putting 681 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: the pressure on you right now. No, you're you're also 682 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: putting the pressure on teammates. I don't want to. I 683 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: don't want to talk about teammates execution on that play. 684 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: These are my buddies, man. That was what It was 685 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: executed well by the Patriots. How about that they sniffed 686 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 1: it out and they made the plays on everybody out there, 687 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: you know they what they jammed the point guy up 688 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: and then Malcolm Butler reading it. You know, maybe, yes, 689 00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: the Patriots executed perfectly. Okay, okay about um Man. There 690 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: was some drama after that, after that game, man, I mean, 691 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: just just a lot of emotion, you know, go ahead. 692 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: I remember right when that happened, right there's ten fifteen 693 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: twenty seconds left, coming back to the sideline and I 694 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: sat down with Doug Balldom and I we were sitting 695 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: there right on the bench and it was coming back 696 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: to so were you reminding were you were you win 697 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: on that on that final No? I was not in. 698 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: I mean I was. I was next to the receiver. 699 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: I was suited and it was Lockett, Doug and Germaine curse. 700 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: Were you guys in on that play? Um? And so 701 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: I remember they came off. We walked back to the bench, 702 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: sat next to Doug and it was the most disbelief. 703 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: We both like it was we did not believe that 704 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: that happened. We sat there and Doug was there and 705 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: he's like, now we're winning this game. There's no way 706 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: where and there was twenty seconds left, Tom Brady's taking 707 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: a knee, so obviously we're not winning this game. But 708 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: I felt the same way, like, yeah, there's there's no way, 709 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: Like we were such a better your team, and it 710 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: was it was like the weirdest thing to grasp in 711 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: your mind that we were going to lose that game 712 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: and we couldn't. Were just nope, there's no way we 713 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: got this. We're have another chance, And it was just 714 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: that feeling of disbelief that was It was so crazy. Yeah, 715 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: so wow, yeah, man, um, what about for you personally? 716 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: You know, go heading into the locker room and I remember, man, Pete, 717 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: not really what do you say to your team? You know, 718 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: there's not much to be said right right then and there, 719 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, and then you for you know, forget the 720 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: celebratory stuff that you had planned. Yeah post game with 721 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: your families, uh and and things like that. Man, did 722 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: it take a while, I'm sure for you to kind 723 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: of get over that experience. I mean, yeah, it's especially 724 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: especially especially in the locker room right afterwards, right if 725 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: that was just such a weird feeling, yet everyone was 726 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: kind of it was it was us almost everyone was 727 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: kind of blaming each other right, pointing fingers, and Pete 728 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: was taking the brunt of it, and you know, I 729 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: know Marshawn wasn't very happy, and it was kind of 730 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,439 Speaker 1: just I mean, I just sat back and just sat 731 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: in my locker room and just taking it all in. 732 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: But what I was able to do after all that 733 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: locker room seeing all that is just put it aside 734 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: and be like, look where we were. Man, we we 735 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: were in the super Bowl. You know, there's there's only 736 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: one team that wins every year, and we should have 737 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: won that. But man, we were still playing. We were 738 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: the last team to play. We were in the super 739 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: Bowl back to back of years, and you know, you're 740 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: just thankful for that opportunity and for the chance to 741 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: do that, and who knows. I always tell people if 742 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: we would have won that game, I think one I 743 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: would have been in Seattle still, and two, so many 744 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: of our guys would have stayed together, and I think 745 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: we could have poured on a few more. But it 746 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 1: was kind of it was just a lot of chaos 747 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of craziness that went on that it 748 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: almost we started breaking up a little bit and it 749 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: wasn't the same team after that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well 750 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: that was obviously disappointing time. But I'm sure throughout your 751 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: experience developing relationships, really close friendship with guys that you 752 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: played with here in Seattle. Uh, you know, we've done 753 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: some things together in the off season. Talk about you know, 754 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: some moments, whether it's during the season in the off 755 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: season with teammates in Seattle that you really enjoy, you know, 756 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: some some some stories that we may not know about. 757 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: I'll preface this first with So Seattle was so unique, right, 758 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: we were all in the same boat, like all of 759 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: us the same age, coming in the same way. Like 760 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: not a lot of us had families and mary. You know, 761 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,919 Speaker 1: it's just a lot of us were in the same boat. 762 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: So when I went to San Diego, it was like 763 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: I was the young guy and and all these all 764 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: these older veterans, you know, families and stuff. So football 765 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: is their job. They kind of came in and did it. 766 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: Then they went home to their families and do their thing. 767 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: Like no one ever hung out after after practice or 768 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, no one ever did anything together. So then 769 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: so there I was the young guy and jackson Ville, 770 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 1: I was the old guy. Like I switches so fast, right, 771 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: Like I'm like the old vet, like okay, and these 772 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: young guys are coming in and and and so like. 773 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: It was a different dynamic there. But then Seattle, like 774 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: we were all the same, Like we were all the 775 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: same age, same group. We did everything together. You know, 776 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 1: once we left the facility, we were hanging out once 777 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 1: we in on the weekends in the off season, we're 778 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: hanging out with There were trips to hermosa um, you 779 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,720 Speaker 1: know for workouts and stuff. But we were always doing 780 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: things together. And I think that was so unique as 781 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: far as the football team because I didn't have that 782 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: anywhere else, just because the dynamic was different. But you know, 783 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: like Turbo like you and I, I mean it's like 784 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: we never left right in touch over the years, I guess, 785 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: and guys like Jermaine Curse I played golf with once 786 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: a week at least, and we do golf tournaments around 787 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: the country. Um talked to Doug quite a bit. I mean, 788 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: these are my guys and guys that all have friendships forever, 789 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: and I don't have that from you know, other teams, 790 00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 1: just because the whole dynamic was so different. Man, you say, 791 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: why she handicapped? My handicapped is a one right now. 792 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: One thing I know about beat wheezy ladies and gentlemen 793 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: is that this man may not look like a great athlete. 794 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: What's that supposed to mean the same? What's that mean? 795 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: I mean, I look like a great athlete, you know, 796 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: just you know, it's not like you like super swollen 797 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: or anything like that. But this jaf this man can 798 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: play some basketball. Man, what is Blake got a jumper? Man? 799 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: We used to have some battles. Yeah, we had some 800 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,359 Speaker 1: battles in the off season, didn't we would? We would 801 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: open up. I had a good buddy of mine. He 802 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: was a coach at one either or a teacher at 803 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: one either, And we used to open up the gym 804 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: in the off season Sunday evenings, remember this, and we'd 805 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: get two full courts gone. We'd have about ten to 806 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: fifteen guys there. We'd had, I mean, who would I 807 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: gotta name some names here there with me. You had 808 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: dug Ermine, Earl Serm, like Bennett April. Uh, all the 809 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: white outs were there, Ye sit. I mean, man, we 810 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: had the everyone ar yeah yeah, Cam the camp show up. 811 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if he played. Cam never did, but man, 812 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,800 Speaker 1: that was our Like Sunday everyone look forward to Sunday 813 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: hoops and we would we would fall all night, we 814 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,879 Speaker 1: would play games, would just get running. We'd come into 815 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: Monday workout exhausted. It would be sorr oh man. But 816 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: it was it makes a great team. And Pete loved it. 817 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: Pete knew we did it, and Pete was like, hey, 818 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: how's hoops last night? I wasn't and so but it 819 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 1: was it was just us competing, and that's what it 820 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: was all about. It was about that team had so 821 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: much uh competitive, such a competitive edge to it that 822 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: that any time to compete, that's what we were all about. 823 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: And that's what Pete Carroll was all about. And so 824 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: it was just, uh, it was awesome. I mean that's 825 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: where the relationships were formed. Two final questions for eb 826 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:09,399 Speaker 1: weez eight year career eight seasons man undrafted went through 827 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,439 Speaker 1: a period excuse me, early where you are you thought 828 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: it was over, you know, And I mean that was 829 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,280 Speaker 1: after what like the first three years of your career 830 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 1: and you were able to get signed to Seattle and 831 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: turn it into eight what's the secret sauce? Man? You 832 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: know what's the secret sauce? To accomplish that? Man, it 833 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: wasn't easy. You got to persevere though. I mean, I've 834 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: been cut so many times in my career throughout that 835 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 1: eight years, I was cut so many times and and 836 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: just cut, resigned, cut, resigned, whatever it was. But the 837 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: thing that can creep into your head when your cut 838 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 1: like that is doubt, right, and you can be like, man, 839 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,479 Speaker 1: maybe maybe I'm just not good enough for this, maybe 840 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: I don't belong But I never really believe that, Like 841 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: I truly believe that, you know, I could have been. 842 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: I could play in the league, It could be an 843 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 1: impactful player. And that was my belief and I wasn't 844 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: going to let anything stop that. So but the other 845 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,760 Speaker 1: thing is being a role player, you gotta be ready. 846 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: You never know when that guy's gonna drop in front 847 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: of you. For instance, Percy Harvard, right, I was his 848 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,839 Speaker 1: pretty much his backup all Super Bowl year. I mean 849 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: that's whenever, which he didn't play very much because he 850 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: was injured. But whenever he didn't play, then I suited 851 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,919 Speaker 1: it up and played. Whenever he played I was out, 852 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: and you just never knew when your name was going 853 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: to be called. And that was just kind of the 854 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: story of my careers as I was always ready, you know, 855 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 1: I always did everything I could to be ready. Knew 856 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: the offense in and now I could go play any position, 857 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: whether it be the X Y or x y Z, 858 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: whatever receiver position it was, I could always go in 859 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: and play. And it's just that's what I prided myself on, 860 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 1: and I think it was easy for coaches to say, 861 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: all right, he knows what he's doing, like, we can 862 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: put him in any position and just fill in. So 863 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: was kind of how I lasted the eight years, and 864 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: it was just just always being ready to roll and 865 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: having confidence in yourself. You gotta have confidence, can't doubt 866 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: yourself going in there. Favorite moment as a Seahawk honestly, 867 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,760 Speaker 1: name well, there's so many good ones, right. My biggest 868 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,319 Speaker 1: memory would be in two thousand and fourteen in the 869 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 1: NFC Championship. We're down in what nineteen nothin or something band, 870 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: Green Bay, Green Band, the NFC Championship and just coming 871 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 1: back in that fourth quarter and the big just mauling 872 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: celebration when Jermaine caught that ball in overtime. Just I 873 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: don't think I've ran so fast in my life to 874 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,719 Speaker 1: get out to I'm just pumping like and that that 875 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: sticks out to me. Going to back to back Super bowls. Um. 876 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: And what was unique about I mean I like that 877 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: season a lot because I was in it. I was 878 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: returning punts and playing some wide out with them. So 879 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: it was a little different than the year four when 880 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 1: I wasn't doing the punts. Maybe that covered some kicks 881 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 1: and uh subbing, you know when Dougger when Doug either 882 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: rest or something, which was you know, I'd probably get 883 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,839 Speaker 1: five six seven snaps a game as a white out. UM. 884 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: So this year, that year was a little different being 885 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,879 Speaker 1: the department turner. So and then a lot to me 886 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 1: and man, yeah, I wish we would have closed that 887 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: year out theater. Here it is again it's always coming 888 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:29,799 Speaker 1: back on hearing that. UM Okay, last question here. I 889 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: know I said too, but actually there's three because I 890 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:38,240 Speaker 1: feel like this is really important for athletes, UM, any sport. 891 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,959 Speaker 1: You know, you finished your career up in Jacksonville, right 892 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: you started San Diego to Connesota, there was injuries. I 893 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: think your career is over. You get in an opportunity 894 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,720 Speaker 1: come to Seattle, Man, you're here for a couple of years, 895 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: and then you go to Jacksonville, Man, and I think 896 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:58,279 Speaker 1: you're in Jacksonville for a few seasons as well. And 897 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: and then there is that transition period. You know, there's 898 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: that there's that time that that you know that uh 899 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: it creeps in like you know, this is probably my 900 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 1: last year, this is probably the end for me. Um, 901 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,799 Speaker 1: what was that process like for you and what advice 902 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: would you give, you know, our listeners who may be 903 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: athletes who have aspirations to be a pro at at 904 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: a sport someday, Because I'll tell you something. I had 905 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,399 Speaker 1: an opportunity to do a program with the NFLPA. It 906 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: was for business school. You had to It was like 907 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 1: it's like the introductory to your NBA. Then I got 908 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,840 Speaker 1: a chance to go to Harvard and begin my MBA 909 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 1: and stuff like that's really cool. But during this business program, 910 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't just football players, man, it was w NBA players. 911 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: There were ballerinas who who were dancers at the professional 912 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: level who were in this program, soccer players, etc. Tennis 913 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: Because it and it really surprised me because it was 914 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: like you guys. They go through the same kind of 915 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: transition that that we do. It's just not as highlighted 916 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,359 Speaker 1: as much because you know, everybody loves football, right right, 917 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: not as popular to watch, you know, a ballerina to do, 918 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, six spins in a row, even though that's 919 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: hard to do, you know. Yeah, and so talk about 920 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: that transition process. When did you know it was approaching? 921 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,919 Speaker 1: You were you ready for it? And how can how 922 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 1: can athletes be prepared? You know mine was different, not different. 923 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: I guess it's all the same, but I don't think 924 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 1: you can ever prepare for it. It's hard. You never 925 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,879 Speaker 1: know when it was coming, especially in the NFL, right, 926 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,399 Speaker 1: I mean, how many guys actually walk out on their own? 927 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: I mean nobody. I didn't walk out on my own. 928 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: I had signed a new contract going to Jacksonville. I like, 929 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,759 Speaker 1: my biggest contract I've ever seen or you know, from 930 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: all my years. I finally signed one and it lasted 931 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: three weeks. I was injured. They'd made a coaching chain, 932 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, Tom Coughlin came in and I was out. 933 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: I was gone, just just not a guy that he 934 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,160 Speaker 1: saw in the future. So I was like, all right, 935 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 1: and you know, being injured obviously doesn't help. But and 936 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,480 Speaker 1: so when I thought I was most secure in the 937 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 1: NFL was actually the end of my career, which is 938 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: wild to me. And so I still I kept training 939 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 1: for a year or two after that. You know, I 940 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 1: had a couple of workouts, I guess, But and so 941 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 1: I never really knew it was over until, you know, 942 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 1: I gave it. I got healthy, took a year to 943 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: get healthy, and then I gave it a year and 944 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 1: then then I said I'll hang them up. So it 945 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,439 Speaker 1: took about which is explains to the transition. It took 946 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 1: like two years for me to be like, all right, 947 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 1: it's time. And that's tough. You know, that's two years 948 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,439 Speaker 1: that could have been, you know, doing something else, making 949 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: it doing a business or whatever it is, working. There's 950 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 1: two years that I thought I could still play. And 951 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,840 Speaker 1: I think that's what makes it really tough on a 952 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: lot of athletes. Just it's hard to give it up. 953 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: You've done it your whole life, and you work for it, 954 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 1: and you don't really want to believe that you're onto 955 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 1: the next step in your life where you don't get 956 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,880 Speaker 1: a run around the field anymore for a living, you know, 957 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:17,240 Speaker 1: catch footballs and and all that. But and even today 958 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: you're so regimented into going to the gym, and man, 959 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: if you miss a few days, you're you're thinking like, oh, 960 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,880 Speaker 1: it's just the weirdest you know, right, Like it's the 961 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: weirdest thing. You think you're setting yourself back. Like if 962 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 1: you miss a couple of days in the gym and 963 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: then you get the thing, you're like, well, wait a second, 964 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,839 Speaker 1: Like I'm not playing, Like I don't need to do this, 965 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 1: Like I need do something with my brain, you know, 966 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: I need to let me sit here and read something 967 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 1: for And that's the hardest thing is to transition from being, 968 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, putting your body through so much physically to 969 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,959 Speaker 1: now like making it mentally, you know, and and getting 970 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,840 Speaker 1: it that way. So that's kind of what I was. 971 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,560 Speaker 1: I dealt with just that transition. So now, I mean 972 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm still in the transition. I think we're always still 973 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,759 Speaker 1: in the transition, trying to trying to get out of 974 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,279 Speaker 1: being the you know, professional athlete and being more of 975 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,880 Speaker 1: a into the into the real world, into the society. 976 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,760 Speaker 1: And so we have a little business, going real estate business, 977 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: going with a buddy and went to school with and 978 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,840 Speaker 1: so he's kind of teaching me the ropes through that 979 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: and we're rolling with it. So awesome, awesome, Well, be wheezy. 980 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,080 Speaker 1: It was great having you on the show man. Hopefully 981 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: we can have you again some time. Man, but answer 982 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 1: sharing some great stories with us. It's awesome to here 983 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,000 Speaker 1: actually your story all these years i've known you. There's 984 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 1: a lot of things that you talked about today that 985 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,440 Speaker 1: I had no idea about. So her Man, thanks for 986 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,439 Speaker 1: having me on here. We need a hoop sometime. Huh, 987 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,000 Speaker 1: let's get get back there. Man, you don't want that. 988 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: I know Doug wants to hoop. All right. You're a 989 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,840 Speaker 1: basketball game, my event, my charity. Man, I love it. 990 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,600 Speaker 1: It'll be fun, all right, all right then, all right, wheezy, 991 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,440 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. That was another episode of Seahawks Stories, 992 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,120 Speaker 1: featuring the one and only Brian Walter's former wide receiver 993 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: at the Seattle Seahawks. Thanks for listening, don't forget to 994 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,840 Speaker 1: hit that subscribe button, and we will be airing this 995 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,600 Speaker 1: every Tuesday. So until next time, peace,