1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: producer Paul, Mission Control decand most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It's the top of the week, 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: which means it's time for more strange news. Now. Unless 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: you have been living deep deep in the bowels of 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: the earth, or unless you are an astronaut with a 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: not great Internet connection, you know that quite a few 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: things have happened recently. A lot of those things aren't 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: making the news. I would once again, I know I 16 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: ruffled some feathers with this on the Internet, but once 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: again I want to point out that regardless of your 18 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: take on a celebrity trial, there are other things happening, 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: and unfortunately they often get swept away in the news 20 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: cycle and for profit media's constant search for clicks. That 21 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: being said, we have things that are not celebrity trials 22 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: that we would like to talk about today. We were 23 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: gonna tell you about a heist because we love a 24 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: good heist. Um, this one has a religious religious aspect 25 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: to it. We're gonna look at the future of so 26 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: called artificial intelligence or machine consciousness in the world of cartoons, 27 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about Uncle Sam's secret Plans 28 00:01:53,520 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: four when hits the fan uh of uh, maybe maybe 29 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: we can we can start there, you know, because we've 30 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: got conspiracy realists in the family here, from all across 31 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: the planet, from every imaginable demographic and one thing that 32 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: we see in common amongst all these people is a 33 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: a healthy distrust of their government, whether that's the US, 34 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: whether that's you know, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, you 35 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: name it. Most of the average people on the planet, 36 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: they're a little bit skeptical right when it comes to 37 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 1: large power structures, and rightly so. I would say, we 38 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: recently learned about something I was kind of aware of, 39 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: but not not super up to date on, concerning our 40 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: own government here in the United States, contingency plans. Right. Imagine, 41 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: you know, you're in charge of a country of three 42 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: thirty something million people, and you know things can go wrong, 43 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: nuclear war, food supplied disruptions, which we talked about previously, 44 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: all sorts of things from like sci fi stuff like 45 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: a coronal mass ejection to um basic human problems like 46 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: the outbreak of secession right or widespread public descent. In 47 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: a recent article for The New York Times, Charlie Savage, 48 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: one of my new favorite journalists new to me at least, 49 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: broke the story just just a few days ago, as 50 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: we record that there have been some newly declassified, well 51 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: let me be fair, newly leaked documents that give us 52 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: a little bit more visibility on top secret executive branch 53 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: plans for any scenario you would possibly call apocalyptic. And 54 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: this includes scary scary stuff. This includes the institution of 55 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: martial law in partial UH deployment or across the country 56 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: entirely UH. This includes stuff like obviously nuclear warfare, but 57 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: it also includes the ability to do things like shut 58 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: down communications networks, not just shut down the Internet, like 59 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: shutdown phone lines if if you're not nor ad UH. 60 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: And the scary thing about it is this stuff has 61 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: been in development since at least the nineteen fifties. Congress 62 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: has zero input on it, which means that you have 63 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: zero input on it, whether or not you vote, whether 64 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: or not you consider yourself an activist, and I don't 65 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: know before we get into it, are you guys surprised 66 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: at all by this? Not based on what we already 67 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: kind of know with things like the long lines building 68 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: in New York that we explored several times, essentially like 69 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: a government bunker beneath the earth to house official and 70 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: you know, with like long term infrastructure and UH and 71 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: supplies for waiting out in nuclear holocaust or apocalypse event, 72 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: also dealing with communications and reaching the outside world on that. 73 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: Now that the part of this that's interesting to me 74 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: is how it would affect us. You know, this isn't 75 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: just like a panic room for the elite. This is 76 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: something that would affect regular people. If I'm hearing you correctly, Well, yeah, Ultimately, 77 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: it feels like the stuff we've learned about in the past, 78 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: where if the president and you know, the top brass 79 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: are all eliminated in some disaster or attack, you know, 80 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: where where do the presidential powers lie. We've talked about 81 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: that before, like the chain of command or custody, that 82 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: power kind of goes down, uh much of the way 83 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: you know, a king or a queen's power goes down 84 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: the line. Uh, we've talked about that before, but it 85 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: is it's really interesting to me to know that there 86 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: are secrets, uber secret, super secret plans that we will 87 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: never know about for disasters that are probably likely, Like, 88 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we'll probably see something like this occurring within 89 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: the next let's say, d two hundred years, assuming the 90 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: US is around. Yeah, that's I mean, that's that's a 91 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: very good point, Matt. The the stuff we do know 92 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: we being the public, comes from the nineteen fifties and 93 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: sixties versions of these draft emergency Action orders, and they 94 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: include stuff like, of course, different versions of martial law, 95 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: but they also include stuff like restricting the passage of 96 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: information across the border. They also include stuff like suspending 97 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: court hearings for people who are detained, so your legal 98 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: rights would be curtailed. And right now, unless you are 99 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: in the executive branch, you're involved in the potential deployment 100 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: of these things, we don't you don't know, you don't 101 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: know what the plan is. And I hate to say it, 102 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: but there is some valid logic to that, because if 103 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: an enemy force, for instance, knew what your step by 104 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: step plan was, in case of saying attack, then they 105 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: could modify their plan to address what what your original 106 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: steps were, and then you would be a fish out 107 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: of water in a very dangerous way. Here's what we know. 108 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: It comes from the Britain Center for Justice, and they 109 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time cleverly writing for Freedom of 110 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: Information Act request from the to get documents from the 111 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: Bush Presidential Library. The disclosure they got it rounds up 112 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: to about five hundred pages, which sounds really impressive until 113 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: you realize six thousand more pages were withheld from their 114 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: request and kept classified and we only really get these 115 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: um disclosures on the heels of something called the Protecting 116 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: Our Democracy Act. This was a bill that passed in December, 117 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: and it's meant to kind of nerve, as we would 118 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: say in the gaming world, nerf the powers of the 119 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: executive branch due to controversial activities of the previous administration. 120 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: Under the Trump presidency, this bill is not expected to 121 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: pass the Senate because for anybody outside of the US, 122 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: the House of Representatives can pass all kinds of stuff 123 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: and then it goes to like the fifty most powerful 124 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: politicians and they get to decide whether or not it happens. 125 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: Um you can write to them if you want. Your 126 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: mileage may vary. Tell us how it works out. But 127 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: this this stuff is fascinating to me because it's like, 128 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,599 Speaker 1: it's as if we can glean a little bit from 129 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: reading metadata. We know, for instance, things that have happened 130 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: in the past due to these Presidential Emergency Action Documents 131 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: or pads. PADS. I think, I don't know if they 132 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: say p E A, D S or just pads. Hope 133 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: they go to pads so much more fun makes me 134 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: getting pound or Yeah, it just seems like they on 135 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: the entire Yeah, that is yeah, exactly. So let me 136 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: give you a sense of how in depth, at least 137 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: some of the older ones were. There was one from 138 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine that said, here's what we do if 139 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union attacks the US with nuclear weapons and 140 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: they break it down. But then they also start estimating 141 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: how many people might survive, like they have numbers, and 142 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: they base their actions off those numbers. And then they 143 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: also start making policy prescriptions U and how to preserve 144 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: the economy, how to also you know, get people to places, 145 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: get v I P s to places like the Greenbrier Bunker, 146 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: which you had mentioned just a minute ago Noll, and 147 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: the the big issue we know sometimes national security, even 148 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: though it's a such a boogeyman, we know sometimes it 149 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: is necessary. But the big issue here is that Congress 150 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: doesn't know either. Congress doesn't know what these pads are. 151 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: They're getting p added on two And there's a huge 152 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: concern for your elected representatives if you live in this country. 153 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: I would like to point to Senator Edward J. Markey 154 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: from Massachusetts and he says, quote, it's our duty as 155 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,479 Speaker 1: lawmakers to demand that the executive branch turns over documents 156 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: so Congress, as representatives of the American people, can evaluate 157 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: the constitutionality of any future president's attempts to exploit an 158 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: emergency to us zoom extraordinary powers. And that is a 159 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: mission critical concern because, as little Finger said in Song 160 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: of Ice and Fire, Game of Thrones, chaos as a ladder, 161 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: and when we are like there's a reason wartime presidents 162 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: are more likely than not to do well in the polls. 163 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: There's also a reason that some bills in times of 164 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: emergency are passed without oversight. You know, like all the 165 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: controversy around loans given out to political henchfolk and various 166 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: connected businesses during during the pandemic. I'm startled, you know, 167 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: I can't imagine how many directives actually exists. Thanks to 168 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: the good folks at the Brennan Center, we know there 169 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: were forty eight secret plans when the George W. Bush 170 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: administration took office, and then a few years later, by 171 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, that number had grown to fifty six. 172 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: So they're adding stuff. And President Dick Cheney Vice President 173 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: Dick Cheney, thanks Matt was was heavily evolved involved in 174 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: reviewing and clearing the orders. He was the green light 175 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: for the He was the decision maker or the decider 176 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: as what the President Bush would say. Yeah, and this 177 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: this stuff expanded after the attacks on September eleven, and 178 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: it's therefore reasonable to assume that they expanded in the 179 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: wake of the pandemic, maybe expanding due to food supply. 180 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: One thing we can say about governmental powers like this 181 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: is that they always seek to expand. It doesn't matter 182 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: who is elected or who's sitting in the Oval office 183 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: at the time, and it doesn't matter what they say 184 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: about big or small fermant when it comes to their 185 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, their piece of the yard. They want more territory, 186 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: and that's that's what we're looking at. So as conspiratorials, 187 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: it founds it is absolutely possible that five years from now, 188 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: ten years from now, two years from now, who knows, 189 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: one of these p d's could come into effect, either 190 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: through a proclamation, a message to Congress, and executive order, 191 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: and it will affect you, and you could protest, but 192 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: you can't vote about it. And at this point we're 193 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: gonna pause because I think this is a full episode 194 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: if we can finagle a little more classified information as 195 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: as is our remit on this show. Uh, while we 196 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: pause as we go to a commercial break, I want 197 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: to ask you, fellow conspiracy realist, do you think this 198 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: sort of secrecy is inherently bad or inherently good? Do 199 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: you think it is a necessary evil? What do you 200 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: think the plan is? Is there a scenario for say, 201 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: an alien attack, the rise of the undead? I hope so, 202 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: because like saying peeds instead of pe a d s, 203 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: it would just be a little more exciting. That's Gallows 204 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: humor for you. All Right, we're gonna pause, We'll be 205 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: right back, and we're back with another piece of pretty 206 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: freaking strange news um from the world of children's entertainment 207 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: sort of kind of If you guys ever heard of 208 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: an artist by the name of David O'Reilly, I have 209 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: super interesting fellow. Um if you go to his Instagram, 210 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: which I highly recommend everybody to do immediately and give 211 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: him a follow. He is sort of a culture jamming 212 00:14:55,240 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: outsider artist weirdo that is, um, practicing AI assisted or 213 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: fully generated art. And you know, sort of like in 214 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: the early days of electronic music, where you know, the 215 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: suits and the squares might say it's not real music. Yeah, 216 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: I got a machine making it for you. Well, you 217 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: know that's clearly someone who doesn't understand how electronic music 218 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: is made. You have machines that are tools, but you 219 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: feed them input. Um. And this isn't even referring to 220 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: like generative music like what Brian Eno might do, where 221 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: you feed the machine some sort of algorithm that you 222 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: create and then it follows a certain set of criteria 223 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: to make a certain type of music. Um that will 224 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: just continue to you know, regenerate itself over time. That's 225 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: used in video game production a lot for you know, 226 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: ambient kind of drones that sort of like adapt to 227 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: certain criteria that happened in the in the scene, or 228 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: in the in the in the level, or the game. 229 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: Um that is kind of what David O'Reilly is doing. 230 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: He's using a I technology to create some pretty nightmarish 231 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: and entertaining p is of of art um one. What 232 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: I really like from his page is he has a 233 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: He has a kind of a remix or a reinterpretation 234 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: of Tupac Shakur's changes, but um made using a i UH. 235 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: And in fact it says the very beginning produced by 236 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: Big d The Impossible, written by Tupac Shakur, Dion Evans, 237 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: Bruce Hornsby and written and produced by a i UH. 238 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: With the prompts the Tupac song changes but about AI 239 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: and if you guys know, it's probably one of Tupac's 240 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: most famous songs. The lyrics become I see the changes. 241 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: I see all the robots, lifeless eyes staring at me 242 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: with broken dreams. I think about the future and it 243 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: frightens me. I'm starting to lose faith in humanity. All 244 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: I see is screens and code. We used to have connection, 245 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: Now we're all alone. The effects of tech are starting 246 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: to show. Machines talking over and it's hard to let go. 247 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: People suffering on the minimum wage, with billionaires fight to 248 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: control this new age. Everyone desperate to make a quick buck. 249 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: And it's moving so fast I can't keep up. I 250 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: wonder when we'll all be free from this misery from 251 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: the grip of technology. Uh. And this is created by 252 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: technology and the video behind it is like kind of 253 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: deep dreamified tupac Um. You know, his mouth is moving 254 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: in in concert with these new weirdo lyrics. Um. So 255 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: that's kind of stuff the data David rallies into. The 256 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: latest news from this artist is that he has used 257 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: AI to create essentially like a super cut or kind 258 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: of a trailer for a um hey children's cartoon called Bartak. Uh. 259 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: And he posted this trailer on his Instagram account and 260 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: this is what he said, Thrilled to announce bar Tak, 261 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: the first fully ganimated show coming to Disney Plus this summer, 262 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: using the awesome power of AI to create the perfect 263 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: kids entertainment. A full season order of seventy five thousand 264 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: episodes is now being generated. Uh. And then like a 265 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: little a d n A emoji, enjoy this peak. All 266 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: you bartok stands out there, let me know what kind 267 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: of merge you'd like to see thanks to open Ai 268 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: Doll for making this dream ad reality. So definitely some 269 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: some talking cheek stuff going on there. Highly doubt Disney 270 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: Plus has anything to do with this. Went in touch 271 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 1: with a ten foot pole after you you hear what it's, 272 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: what it's all about, and then to hear some audio 273 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: from that we're gonna play. Uh. Not to mention the 274 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: idea of generating seventy episodes certainly could be done if 275 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: you're just hurting out, you know, stuff based on input 276 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: to A to an AI, but I'm also kind of 277 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: doubt that that's what's going on here too. Um, what 278 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: you get in bar Tech is it's as if you've 279 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: fed children's cartoons kind of European children's cartoon style animation 280 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: into deep Dream. You know remember Deep Dream that you 281 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: know that that Google based algorithmic kind of Yeah, it's 282 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: fun our generator. I mean it's basically like you know, 283 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: it was applied to video where essentially looks like you know, 284 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: everything is is made of lizards or everything is made 285 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: of like weird psychedelic dog snouts. You know, essentially, I 286 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: think Ben maybe to help me out here if if 287 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: you if you remember more, Um isn't it like it 288 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: sort of takes a swatch kind of of an image 289 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: and compares it to what the prevailing, like most popular 290 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: image that sort of looks like that is on the internet, 291 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: and then essentially like recreates it using textures from that image. 292 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yet? The proper like fancy term is 293 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: a convolutional neural network and it uses this uh, algorithmic 294 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: approach to enhance what it's what it thinks of as 295 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: existing patterns. So that's why you know, if you have 296 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: a if you have a like a lot of people 297 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: would take selfies, right or maybe at the very first 298 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: they were taking pictures of their romantic partners until they 299 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: realized said partners might not always enjoy the end result. 300 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: Uh it. There's a great article on How Stuff Works 301 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: by Nathan Chandler that talks about how deep dream, how 302 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: deep dream actually functions, and it's doing basically what you describe. 303 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: It locates and alters patterns that it has identified. It 304 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: kind of leans individual trends, you could say. And that's why, 305 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, deep dream is so fun. I'm gonna 306 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: go back and experiment with more of it here. Yeah, 307 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: so thank you, that's exactly that's a much clearer description there. 308 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: I think between the two of us, we gotta on 309 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: the nose. Um. So this is different though, because it 310 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: looks like it's like original animation. There's characters. You know, 311 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly this. This dude doesn't really talk 312 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: about his process, but it seems to me like you 313 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: must have drawn some animation plates of some kind of that. 314 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: There's not that they don't move. The only move based 315 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: on the kind of that same deep dream kind of 316 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 1: snaky lizardy uh interpretive kind of like stuff. And of 317 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: course there's also an accompanying soundtrack and and dialogue if 318 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: you can call it that. Um, so let's let's just 319 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: hear a little bit of it and then we can 320 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: we can discuss. Now there are no captions, Yeah, no, no, 321 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: I think it's all it's the theater of the mind. 322 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: It's sort of like the language Seagar Ross uses the 323 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: Hope Landic or whatever. Like it's all about how you 324 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: want to interpret it. But you hear the name bart 325 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: Bartek Bartak Bartak is the name of the character apparently, 326 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: and if you look at it, I mean, there does 327 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: appear to be some hand drawn components that are then 328 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: kind of squishified, you know, by this deep Dream kind 329 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: of stuff. But then it also there's some characters that 330 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: just seem like no human I mean, not not to 331 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 1: discredit the the magical powers of the human mind, but 332 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: there's some of these weird little alien guys that look 333 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: like an animated version of the kind of stuff Deep 334 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: Dream generates. So I want to know more. There really 335 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: isn't much out there aside from this. This guy's you know, 336 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: putting this out there. He's sort of a notorious troll. 337 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: Um in the best possible way, like you know, in 338 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: terms of like some of the things he said about, 339 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: you know, doing seventy episodes and all that stuff. But 340 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: like I don't know what what how this process works exactly, 341 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: Like like I'll read a little bit more from the 342 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: from the Vice article. Uh, they describe O'Riley as and 343 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: three D artists who's well known for creating disturbing animations. Um. 344 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: He claims to have used something called doll E and 345 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: other natural language processing systems, which you know, can create 346 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: almost like you know, facsimiles of things that we would recognize, 347 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, which which this sort of does. But then 348 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: it like takes really weird dark psychedelic turn um. Other 349 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: systems that we've talked about on the show like GPT three, 350 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: which are used with chat bots to create kind of 351 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: realistic you know, um reactions. Um. But also alo and 352 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: they also mentioned the Vice article that this can be 353 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: used to create a kind of AI choose your inn adventure, 354 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: kind of dungeon crawler type text adventures. UM. But we've 355 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: also seen stories about how these kinds of AI tend 356 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: to have some pretty gnarly sexist and racist stereotypes built 357 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: into them because they are pulling from the open Internet, 358 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, in the same way that what was it 359 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: that Cli? What was that that that Microsoft Twitter boughts, 360 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, just got real racist, real quick. Um came 361 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: a neo Nazi and cell in a little less than 362 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: and the the writer, by the way of this this 363 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: Vice article is Janice Rose, and I love it. The 364 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: headline is AI created this extremely cursed children's card. If 365 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: anyone you know follows Internet culture, which I'm sure most 366 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: of you do, the idea of a cursed images is 367 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: a thing like in in in meme culture, uh, and 368 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: then this would definitely fall under that, no question. But 369 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: the subtitle, which I love and which I think will 370 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: be a nice transition into Matt's piece is every day 371 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: we stray further from God's light, implying that these are 372 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: in some way abominations from like beyond, you know, from 373 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: the realms, beyond the lands between if you will. Um, 374 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, it says as a weird art projects from 375 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: the article, O'Reilly's use of this tool seems relatively benign, however, 376 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: and as fans seem to be in on the joke. 377 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: Here's a an Instagram commenter. It's really inspiring to see 378 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: how well Bartok has helped my kids understand the world 379 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: around them and and taught me how to be a 380 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: better parent. My kids are so much smarter as a result. 381 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: You want to see the excitement in their eyes, especially 382 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: at the hands of a show like this. So, uh, 383 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, more weirdo counterculture art kind of culture jamming 384 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: stuff or the future of children's entertainment. You be the judge. 385 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, pure nightmare fuel is all I can call it. 386 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: That's exactly what I call and hilarious totally. I mean, 387 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: I was laughing. I could not stop laughing hearing those 388 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: sounds at least, so we should reuse those in some way. 389 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: I completely agree. Something good has come of this, yes, 390 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: no doubt, no doubt, but fun little one um on 391 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: the lighter side in a pretty heavy news cycle. Um, 392 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: So take this and do with it what you will. 393 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll see more of this kind of stuff. I 394 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: I personally love this kind of use of AI for 395 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: making interesting art um as opposed to using it to 396 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: try to like mind control us or you know, program 397 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: our our future robot overlords. So with that, let's take 398 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: a quick break and we're back with another piece of 399 00:25:51,760 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: strange news. And we're back, and for this story, we're 400 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: gonna get a bit holy, and we're also going to 401 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: get close, maybe too close to our own mission control 402 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: Paul Decand we're traveling to Brooklyn, New York, to the 403 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: neighborhood of Park Slope, right near a very very famous park, 404 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: beautiful park called Prospect Prospect Park m hmmmmmm. And just 405 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 1: northwest of this gorgeous park in Brooklyn, New York, there 406 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: is the Notre Dame of the area, as it is 407 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: known by the locals. Uh. It is a Catholic church, 408 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: very beautiful building. It's it's named the St. Augustine Roman 409 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: Catholic Church. And I say it's beautiful because the architecture 410 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: is just immaculate. It dates back to eight nineteen century, 411 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: the Old eighteen hundreds, the Fighting eighteens. Uh. Inside this church, 412 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: as beautiful as it is and as or nate as 413 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: the architecture is, they are all kinds of relics, and 414 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: I guess architectural features that date back to when the 415 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: church was first formed. And one of the relics inside 416 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: this church is a tabernacle. Now, guys, what do you 417 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: think of when I say tabernacle? Oh, I think of Mormons. 418 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: I think of Mormons. I think of venue in Atlanta. 419 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: But that's all. That's all. I podium. Is it like 420 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: a like a something that you stand by, like a 421 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: you know, pulpit. I've never fully understood what it seems 422 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: like it could be that, but that's not what it is. 423 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: I have to stop real quick, though, because I believe 424 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: the correct term is LDS or Latter day Saints. So 425 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: for anybody of that faith in the crowd, I understand 426 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: that saying Mormon is sometimes can be found offensive, but 427 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: that's obviously not what we mean. I thought a tabernacle. 428 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: I knew it was a structure, and I think in 429 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: old religious tomes. It can also not necessarily be stationary 430 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: like it can be movable. Yes that is, yes, it 431 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: does matter, and all the all of it matters, guys Um. 432 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: The tabernacle, and I did not know this until I've 433 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: read this story. Is the thing a physical structure. Oftentimes 434 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: it is mobile because it's usually necessary. It contains the 435 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: Holy Eucharist, the stuff that you need to administer and 436 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: take communion. So we're talking you know, the physical forms 437 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: of Jesus's body and blood. If if you're going to 438 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: take the holy sacrament of communion, so that would be 439 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: wine and crackers or bread whatever is used in that 440 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: particular faith. In this case, I'm assuming it's the cracker 441 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: like structures that are used in holy communion in the 442 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: Catholic Church. Um. And also all the accouterment that comes 443 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: with that, like chalice is the would contain the wine 444 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: when you're giving it out, and often some kind of 445 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: platter that would hold the crackers are bread or whatever 446 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: you're giving out. So this thing, this tabernacle, is literally 447 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: a mobile holder of food. Really, that's what it is. Well, 448 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: this one is very special. As I said, it's a 449 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: relic from the eighteen hundreds, probably dating back to at 450 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: least that's what's claimed when this church was first founded. 451 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: This thing is solid eighteen carrot gold. It's covered absolutely 452 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: covered in jewels and all kinds of other precious stones, 453 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: and it is valued and around two million dollars. Question 454 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: that that value, though that value probably doesn't explain the 455 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: full worth of it to the the Catholic community, to 456 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: the diocese and to you know, the faithful, right imagine 457 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: beyond cash. Absolutely the history of the church. I mean, 458 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: you're talking about a relic that's been around since the 459 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: late eighteen hundreds, where people of the Catholic faith who 460 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: are living in that area, you know, they were going 461 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: there and have been going to that church for I 462 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: mean that's over century. That's years and years and years. 463 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: And so this thing is precious for historical reasons, for 464 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: actual monetary you know, reasons for the precious things that's 465 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: made out of uh, and also for the holiness right 466 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: this is it does contain, theoretically, if you believe, the 467 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: body and blood of Jesus that is used in a 468 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: holy sacrament. So this thing is protected when the church 469 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: is open. This thing sits kind of back in a 470 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: little I guess a cubby hole of sorts that is 471 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: also very ornate. It's it's on display, it's on it's 472 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,239 Speaker 1: on an altar, but it's inside kind of uh, an enclosure, right, 473 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: almost like a little mini cave. Is that the ombre? 474 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: That little alcove. So that's called Oh, sure, I don't know. 475 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll check, I'll check. I just I I collect 476 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: all these Uh. The Catholic Faith has this beautiful uh nomenclature, 477 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think I believe that's 478 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:23,479 Speaker 1: another the nave. The the thurable is the name for 479 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: the instance things uh. And what's the other, Oh, and 480 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: trans substantiation, the magical process in which the materials that 481 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: Matt has described become physically, you know, in the body, 482 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 1: the body of Christ and the Blood of Christ the literal. 483 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: But I do think it's ombree, I did. I myself 484 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: am not a member the Catholic Faith, but I do 485 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: believe that that kind of cupboard we're talking about might 486 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: be an ambree. Well, let's just the ambree. This opening 487 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of uh, it's curved, or the back of 488 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: it is a bit curved, it looks like, and it 489 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: sits inside there. So imagine in your mind looking at 490 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: an altar and inside this little alcove there's this beautiful, golden, 491 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: shiny thing. And to protect it, they have a very 492 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: specialized security system that involves to steal. I guess. They're 493 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: curved doors that close in front of this thing when 494 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: the church is closed or when the when the tabernacle 495 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: is not on display, and they it looks very heavy duty. 496 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: You can see pictures of it online right now if 497 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: you check it out. It looks like it protects this 498 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: thing as though it's the Mona Lisa like some very 499 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: expensive painting. It's it's a piece of art. It's a 500 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: piece of history. They protected as such. Well as of 501 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: Saturday May, this thing has been stolen. Guys. This is 502 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: one of the most brazen acts of thievery that I 503 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: have seen in many a year. Someone went into this 504 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: church with a power saw, it is believed, and cut 505 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: open those steel doors. So we were talking about, didn't 506 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: just like pry them open or something or break that 507 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,959 Speaker 1: mechanism cut those Yeah, they cut through those steel doors. 508 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: They took the tabernacle out. I guess in doing so 509 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: in the process or just in another equally brazen act 510 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: through all the contents of the tabernacle, the actual U Chris, 511 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: the body and blood just kind of threw it out 512 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: and threw it all over the altar there. Uh, then 513 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: took it away and stole it. But that's not all 514 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: they did, guys. You know what else they did. They 515 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: took the power saw or whatever they had, and they 516 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: cut the head off an angel, just like when am 517 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 1: I going to be here again? Style? I guess I 518 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: was thinking about this really hard, you guys. This is 519 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: my theory. We're talking about a three person job. One 520 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,959 Speaker 1: person was the brains, the inside person. They knew exactly 521 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: where everything was in the church and how expensive it 522 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: was and theoretically what they needed to do to get it. 523 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: The second person was either a welder or someone who 524 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, had the tools to get the job done. 525 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: And the third person was the wild card. And I 526 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: think that wild card just like had saw the power saw, 527 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: saw the angel and just went WHOA, we gotta do 528 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: this and just went to town. It's like that scene 529 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: in the Sopranos when like A J and his buddies 530 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: they're breaking to the school and they're swimming, and then 531 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, one of them just like, hey, 532 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: let's just throw all the trophies in the pool. Then 533 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: one person does, and then everyone else just goes hog wild. 534 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's just chaos magic yea or Charlie Charlie Day. 535 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: I think that whenever there's a wild card reference just 536 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: eventually cutting the brakes on the van and then you know, 537 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: imagine this team is in a hurry, and so we 538 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: have to go what are are you doing? And the 539 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: guy saying hold on, I'm I'm almost finished. Angel was 540 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: looking at me funny, and it's you know, I'm thinking 541 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: too about the noise. Right, would this have been This 542 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: would not have been a silent operation by any means. 543 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: So I wonder how long it actually took. The church 544 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: was closed for construction, so I wonder if maybe there 545 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: was some you know, plausibility in the neighborhood. They're like, oh, 546 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: maybe they're doing some after hours construction. Is it clear 547 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: what time this took place? Man, And it is not. 548 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: There's some time security footage. Yeah, they do not know. 549 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: They just know it was before because that's when it 550 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: was discovered by Father Termino and there they it is 551 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: believed that it took place on Friday. That's like, I 552 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: guess the most likely scenario. There's this excellent ap article 553 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: that you shared with us by Michael R. Szak where 554 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: it looks like they were guessing sometime between sometimes like 555 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: after six thirty on that Thursday and before for on 556 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: that Saturday. So with Friday being the most likely, that 557 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: kind of makes sense. I'm also wondering, you know, the 558 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: it's clearly just a money job with an extra um, 559 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: extra dash and disrespect, right like, yeah, because I mean, 560 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: churches get vandalized. Their buildings get vandalized all the time. Um. 561 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 1: That usually just involves spray painting or you know, knocking 562 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 1: over some stuff or whatever. This is like a next 563 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,959 Speaker 1: level heist that also involves some next level vandalism. Yeah. Absolutely, 564 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,919 Speaker 1: So you gotta find everybody who's got a power saw 565 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: in the Gowanas and Park Slope area. No, I'm just jugging, 566 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: it's probably not. That's probably not a local job, unless 567 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: because the churches under construction, you know, somebody just noticed it. Yeah, 568 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a little thought to be a 569 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: crime of opportunity though impulse crime. I mean, I wonder 570 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: if the power staw was on site. I see what 571 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: you're saying, man, but I just do wonder if it 572 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: was under construction, you know, sometimes they leave, they leave 573 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: this kind of They would have had to know where 574 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: the thing was though, so it would have been I 575 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: don't know, Man, the more I'm thinking about it, the 576 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: more maybe it was someone that was on the construction 577 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: team who had access to I think multiple operators seems 578 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: really plausible. I'm with you, Matt, because they the inside 579 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: thing sounds increasingly plausible too, because they clearly knew what 580 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: they were going for. And there was also a a 581 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: safe right that was broken into. Oh yeah, yeah, I 582 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: forgot about that. They broke into a safe that you know, 583 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: appeared to be again filled with stuff you'd want to take. 584 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: Probably it's a nice, big safe. It's locked up. There 585 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: was nothing in that sucker, at least according to the 586 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: statement that was given by the Diocese of Brooklyn. Oh man, 587 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: you guys, this was something you brought up off Ernol, Like, 588 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: what do you do once you have this thing? Let's 589 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: say you successfully break in, You cut the thing open, 590 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: decapitate the angel, take the two million dollar thing. What 591 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: do you do with it now? Private art market? That's 592 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 1: the best way to laund your stuff. Check out our 593 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: episode Possible Or do you just melt it down for 594 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: the raw materials, because I mean that two millions maybe 595 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: is more referring to like it's you know, the value 596 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: of the stones and the gold and all of that, 597 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: because you can't really put a price on you know, 598 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: generations of of of history and tradition. Right, Well, that's 599 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, it's big. It's a lot of 600 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: solid gold, it's a lot of jewels. You could theoretically 601 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: break the sucker down, but the real value is in 602 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: the in the history. So it does feel like if 603 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: there are brains behind this operation, you would want to 604 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: find a way to sell it at its highest price. 605 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: But you can't just repaint it like people are gonna know. 606 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: It's a it's a one of a kind item. You 607 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: gotta just take it like you know, overseas, I guess 608 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: and hope that no one catches a glimpse of it. 609 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: To your point, Ben, maybe some sort of private collector 610 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: who would never have any outside eyes in there. You know, 611 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: they sense someone, but it doesn't Maybe they sense someone also. 612 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: We can't when we're talking about the extra the added 613 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: sort of disrespect. We cannot deny the ongoing intergenerational damage 614 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: done by some some factions of the Catholic Church against children. 615 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: So it may be someone with a literal act to 616 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: grind while a power saw in this case for a 617 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: personal matter. And I'm just speculating. I don't have you know, 618 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: any evidence here. I haven't been in contact with the 619 00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: police or anything. But the the the idea of melting 620 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: it down, yeah, it dramatically lowers the value. And also 621 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: if you're smart enough, you know that if you melt 622 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: it down and you just try to sell it as 623 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: gold or precious gemstones at going market rate, then you're 624 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: taking a bath, you know, like that, you're not going 625 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: to make near as much money as It's a good point. 626 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: It's a good point. I just don't know how you 627 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: successfully fence something like this unless it was to some 628 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: somebody who did have an ax to grind. This is 629 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: an act of protests in some small way or a 630 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: large way. Um. And this was built for this church, right. 631 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: This isn't like an example of like maybe you know 632 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: how so many artifacts and like the British Museum were 633 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,959 Speaker 1: pilford from other cultures. This isn't that right. This wasn't 634 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: like taken from some other culture and put on display 635 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: in this American Church. It was built for the church, 636 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: I'm asking. I believe so. The Diocese of Brooklyn just 637 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: says it was built in the late eighteen's. It dates 638 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: back to when the church was built. If it's an 639 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: example of somebody taking it back, we don't know the history. 640 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: All we know is was in these arts, like the 641 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: it was Vatican operators that came over. I don't know 642 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: many here, and they dude, that's the perfect place. You 643 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: just put it in the archives, right into somebody. Yeah, 644 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 1: unless somebody knows that it's there, they'll never see it again. 645 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 1: The Vatican Secret Archives. I still think it's the perfect plan. Yeah, 646 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: especially because it's so uncomplicated, and yeah, I feel like 647 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 1: wanted a thing that could just be like, YO, give 648 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: us the thing where you are beholden to us. So 649 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: probably probably I'm interested in learning more about the history 650 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: of that as well, because it's not it's probably on 651 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: their website. You could even call, well, you want to 652 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: be careful with timing. I could call them today and 653 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 1: ask about it. But it's like read the room at 654 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: that point, you know what I mean. Yeah, let's give 655 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: it a few more days this June twod Right now, 656 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: as we record this, this just occurred. We're gonna find 657 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: out more information in the end. This story is not 658 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Besides the fact 659 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: that people are breaking into holy places and stealing things 660 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,359 Speaker 1: out of them, that seems like, guys, uh, I don't know. 661 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: That was a bridge too far, even for the most 662 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: seasoned organized criminal for a very long time. I feel 663 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: like we're breaching. We're broaching something, guys, I think people have. 664 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: I mean it's classic human people have historically been very 665 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: protective of the belief system with with which they personally identify, 666 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: but if it's another person's belief system, then they don't care. 667 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean, look at the look at the sacking of 668 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: all the ancient civilizations throughout history, zero exceptions. At some 669 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: point everyone got got yeah, it's a really good point. Uh, 670 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,280 Speaker 1: just you know, hide your tabernacles better from now on, everybody. 671 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: I have one question for you, Matt, why did you 672 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: do it? Well? Honestly, there were just so many ports 673 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: around the park was a perfect place to hide it. Temporarily. 674 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: Nobody's looking in Prospect Park for a tabernacle park. Yeah, 675 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: couldnt we just say to just one? Last year? I 676 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: think we we hit on this or you hit on 677 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: this map, but maybe not quite hard enough. Um, the 678 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: there was no surveillance footage because the tapes were stolen 679 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,359 Speaker 1: or it was hampered with in some way, Am I right? 680 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: Or I just want to make sure I'm understand that 681 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: there it's there's some reporting on that. I'm a little 682 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 1: unsure the official statements that we're getting from the church 683 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 1: itself and then from the diocese UH talking about how 684 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 1: there was no UH footage, and then statements that were 685 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 1: given into the NYPD about why there's no footage. I'm 686 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: unsure if it's because of the construction, or because of 687 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, some malfunction with the security system, or if 688 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: the tapes were in fact stolen. I'm just unsure because 689 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: I've seen different things written about it. I know it's 690 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: been it has been said that the tapes were in 691 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 1: fact stolen or the security system was tampered with. I 692 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: think we're all in agreement that this was to some 693 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: degree a pretty pro job. I think, yeah, it seems 694 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: like it. I mean, just you know, you have to 695 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 1: realize that in in heist like this, especially involving powerful forces, 696 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: right and make the mistake. You know, this not for nothing. 697 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,719 Speaker 1: Is this Notre Dame Brooklyn right? Uh? There, their thefts 698 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: reports are going to be treated differently from say, an 699 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 1: average person in their apartment reporting a crime. So this means, 700 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: in my mind, it is very reasonable to assume that 701 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 1: both the diocese and the police have information there withholding. 702 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: That's just a standard operating procedure there. And you know, 703 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: we don't know about DNA probably searching for that. I 704 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: don't know about fingerprints, but this crew sounds like they 705 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 1: were wearing gloves. It's easy to make mistakes, even if 706 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 1: you're a seasoned pro. But these folks are clearly trying 707 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 1: to do their their criminal version of due diligence. I 708 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: wonder if it will get found. You know, It's just 709 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,280 Speaker 1: it's almost like a missing person, a ticking clock starts 710 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,879 Speaker 1: wants something like this gets stolen, and if you can 711 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: hold it long enough and cover your tracks, then you 712 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: can get away until you try to offense it or 713 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: move it. That's when they get you, because what if, 714 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: what if they're ordinarily a moral contact for moving this 715 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: it turns out to have deep Catholic roots, you know 716 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: what I mean? When is like just stares at it 717 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: for too long and then looks back at them and 718 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: it is perfect. We'll take it, closes the box slowly, 719 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: and then the next thing those guys know, that's a 720 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: sound of a silencer. Nice, I mean tragic. Well, I 721 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 1: think we could say one of our main takeaways from 722 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: this is, regardless of your own personal ideologies or lack thereof, 723 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 1: don't break it into religious sites and steal their stuff. 724 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 1: Come on, doesn't this feel like the the impetus for 725 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: a Dan Brown asked religious heist kind of story? Like 726 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: this is where it starts, and then someone sent in, 727 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 1: you know, a Vatican investigators sent in, and it turns 728 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 1: out there's much more than meets the eye to this case. 729 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there are codes written in the area of 730 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,359 Speaker 1: the angel's neck where it was decapitated. They were hidden 731 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: there the whole time, which no one but the protagonist 732 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:01,280 Speaker 1: and everybody reading can figure out know what? Like? Uh. 733 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: It also reminds me of John Connolly. I got really 734 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: into this guy recently. He's got a excellent, uh noir 735 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: crime supernatural series called the Charlie Parker Series. No relation 736 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 1: to the musician. But if you are looking for if 737 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: you're looking for some good reads in that kind of 738 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 1: vein if the sort of stuff interests you, but you 739 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: prefer it to be fiction, I'd recommend Connolly as well. 740 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,359 Speaker 1: I can't wait till this next book comes out. Well 741 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,280 Speaker 1: that's it for this one. Stay safe out there, Protect 742 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: your tabernacles. And uh if that concludes this section of 743 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 1: the show is protect your tabern accles, I think, yeah, yeah, 744 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: get out of my your Why are you all up 745 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: in my tabern acles? You know what I mean? Uh 746 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,760 Speaker 1: So we want to we want to hear your thoughts 747 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 1: on this. I'm already writing in my head, just like 748 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: the the blurb at the back of the book, you 749 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,480 Speaker 1: know where it says, while closed for renovations, Brooklyn's Neutra 750 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: Dom had a priceless artifacts stolen. The thiefs left no 751 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: fingerprints except for insert protagonist name here. Discovers through a 752 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,920 Speaker 1: series of arcane clues, a conspiracy leading all the way 753 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 1: to the Ark of the Covenant in Ethiopia. You know, 754 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: read the book that the author's mother called finally done, 755 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: perfectly acceptable, romp the Germans point, severely adequate. What if 756 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: this thing is the Ark of the Covenant? We just 757 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: had it, you know, it was concealed the whole time 758 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 1: I was googling Ark of the Covenant while we were 759 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: talking with the story, because I was like, you know, 760 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 1: what is an arc versus a tabernacle? And they're different, 761 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,319 Speaker 1: but they're both meant to house sacred relics, so they're 762 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,319 Speaker 1: not that different. Yeah, I'm just saying, what if it 763 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,720 Speaker 1: was obsfucation over all these years they made they wanted 764 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: you to think it was an Arc of the Covenant, 765 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: but it was actually a Tabernacle of the Covenant. Dune, 766 00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: Dune done. I'll have to get over to uh Ethiopia 767 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,720 Speaker 1: and see if I can get in to that building 768 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: that would make these thieves the raiders of the Lost 769 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 1: Arc the Lost Tabernacle, which might be enough to keep 770 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 1: us from getting sued. What do you think, folks, let 771 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: us know. We want to hear. We want to hear 772 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: what you think might be a foot with this height. 773 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: We want to hear what you think about the future 774 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,479 Speaker 1: of artificial intel, well so called artificial intelligence. Uh. And 775 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,800 Speaker 1: we also want to hear what you think about these pads, 776 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 1: these secret presidential orders that not even your congress person 777 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: has access to. What are you gonna do when? What 778 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: are you gonna do when the Tabernacle hits the fan, 779 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,959 Speaker 1: let us know. We try to be easy to find online. 780 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,760 Speaker 1: That's right. 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