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Speaker 2: Valenteers, Chef Chenko, Welcome to a very special episode of

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Speaker 3: Today, guys, I have the honor of sitting down with

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Speaker 3: one of.

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Speaker 2: The greatest fighters and waltoit's to ever compete in the UFC,

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Speaker 2: Kamara rousbaand went from growing up in Nigeria to becoming

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Speaker 2: a national champion wrestler in the US and rose all

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Speaker 2: the way to be in the undisputed world champion and

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Speaker 2: put together one of the most dominant win streaks sports

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Speaker 2: ever seen. But what makes this conversation special is that

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to just talk to him about the

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Speaker 2: titles and the highlights. I want to talk about the

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Speaker 2: man that's behind the run. We'll get into living in Nigeria,

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Speaker 2: the identity challenges he faced, there was a knee injury

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Speaker 2: that changed his entire athletic path, and the rise from

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Speaker 2: an overlooked wrestler to a world champion. We want to

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Speaker 2: talk about the Leon Edwards fights, how emotional he was

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Speaker 2: after he beat Joaquin Buckley, fatherhood, mentorship, the impact of

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Speaker 2: Rashad Evans and Rumble Johnson, his future and podcasting, television

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Speaker 2: and fashion and what life looks like after fighting. Kamorrow

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Speaker 2: Usman is a fashionist to add heart today, I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to get to the fighter, the father.

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Speaker 3: The mentor, and the man.

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Speaker 2: Guys give it up for the one and only, the

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Speaker 2: Great Tomorrow, the Nigeria knightmarre Oushman.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you do? You understand?

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Speaker 3: Do you understand?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: I understand you?

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Speaker 2: Like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I like that. I like that. That was really in

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Speaker 1: depth personal. Hey, seems more high level. I see what

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Speaker 1: you're doing there. That was I see what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: But you're a guy that deserves that type of acknowledgment

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Speaker 2: for all that you've done in your career.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: But as we look into today, right, like, what is

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Speaker 2: the thing that keeps Kamara rousmand up?

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Speaker 3: Like, is what is keeping you up today in life?

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Speaker 1: I think you have to. Now, I'm a father obviously,

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Speaker 1: and I'm very very honest about to who I am,

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest things is because of that, I

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Speaker 1: know that one. I'm no spring chicken. I know that

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Speaker 1: it's at some point this chapter has to flip over,

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Speaker 1: has to be have to move on from it. And

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Speaker 1: so I'm starting to realize that more and more, and

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Speaker 1: because of that what keeps gets me up. It's just

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Speaker 1: is man thinking about that next step, what potentially is

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Speaker 1: going to come. I think that's right now. The main

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Speaker 1: objective for me is closing this chapter out the absolute

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Speaker 1: best way possible and then using it to segue into

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Speaker 1: the next chapter.

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Speaker 2: So what's different like right now your life today? How

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Speaker 2: much different does it look from when you were the

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Speaker 2: champion of the world? And what do you think is

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Speaker 2: one thing that would surprise people in terms of your

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Speaker 1: What's the main The main difference is when you're the champion,

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Speaker 1: there's just there's just chip on your shoulder that you

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Speaker 1: are any moment, wherever you're at, you're there's a chip

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Speaker 1: almost like you know you you you hit it lick

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Speaker 1: by having a title, and now you're you're always looking

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Speaker 1: But right now I don't need to dwell on that.

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Speaker 3: But do you miss that?

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Speaker 2: I mean there's something to having that right that constantly

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Speaker 1: I do miss it in a sense, but I don't

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Speaker 1: I'm never gonna feel that again. Yeah, but I do

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Speaker 1: understand that. Okay, I know how to turn that on.

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Speaker 2: Is he but isn't it even a harder balance and

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Speaker 2: act being that you are still active, right, but you

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Speaker 2: are a guy that recognizes I'm closer to the end

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Speaker 2: than I am to the beginning, right, But I do

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Speaker 2: I can still be a world champion, but I also

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Speaker 1: It's harder in the sense of as the competitor wanting

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Speaker 1: one thing I could really accredit to success is consistent work,

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Speaker 1: and that consistent work is the one way I can go.

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Speaker 1: You know what, It's because I was doing this consistently

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Speaker 1: all the time I was locked in. I was that's

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Speaker 1: a tricky one to where it could be more. But

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Speaker 1: also it could be better in the sense of you

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Speaker 1: need that little relaxation, that little mind away from this,

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Speaker 1: so when you get back in this, you are fully aware.

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Speaker 2: You know, you and I both come from a world

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Speaker 2: in wrestling where it's very hard to be the absolute man,

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Speaker 2: and while you are the man, there's always someone bigger,

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Speaker 2: better at times.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So in wrestling, you were a multiple time national champion

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Speaker 1: One time multiple time All Americans, American finalists, but a

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Speaker 2: You went to the Olympic level chasing that dream and

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Speaker 2: you to become the man that you became on that

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Speaker 2: you recall a time where you felt it click for

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Speaker 3: Okay, now I know I'm ready to be the guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. But first let's clear up

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Speaker 1: So let's clear up this. I was an Olympic Training Center.

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Speaker 3: Resident, yes, but you were chasing that dream.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was chasing that dream, really working up, and

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Speaker 1: I was really competitive with those guys in one, two,

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Speaker 1: time where I because it was like Mma was like

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Speaker 1: but you started flirting now with this new this new

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Speaker 1: thing like a new girlfriend. Yeah. So I went over

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Speaker 1: fear of the unknown. I don't know what's going to

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know about this. And I

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Speaker 1: I could kind of control the real estate of a sparring,

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Speaker 1: And he's still talking to like fans that would come

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Speaker 1: in to our junker. We had a superstar gym at

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Speaker 1: that point. Oh yeah, black zillions. And so we start sparring.

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Speaker 1: like about the third fourth round. This man per persistently

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Speaker 1: Not only could I not get him. He stuffed about

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Speaker 1: Come on, took me now, held me down. You know

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Speaker 1: just oh man. He was crucifying me and just kind

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Speaker 1: ride home that day. That's crazy, you know how you

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Speaker 1: you just get meat up. I'm staying out the window.

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Speaker 1: I'm not looking at him and driving and I'm not

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Speaker 1: looking at him. I'm staying out the window trying not

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Speaker 1: to make Yeah, I can't believe he did this to me.

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Speaker 1: That moment, Yeah, that moment almost broke me. But it

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Speaker 1: wasn't until like a year and a half later. I

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Speaker 1: was sparring with one of our guys, Danilo Villefort, who

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Speaker 1: and Danillo was used to be a bully when it's

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Speaker 3: What's the difference.

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Speaker 1: The difference is, Yeah, there's a difference. The difference is

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Speaker 2: But but but isn't that that naive, hungry, broke person

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Speaker 1: True, that's you're you're absolutely right. But now I know that, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: How do you keep them alive? Though? With the comfort? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Because I can turn that back on because nothing is

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Speaker 2: When I can't tap into that dude that I know

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Speaker 3: I think athletes struggle.

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Speaker 1: just joking with him. Yeah that's fun, you know, fun show.

435
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: And Kenny turns and says this, and I don't know

436
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: if he probably won't remember this, but it was just

437
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: funny how they stuck with me. Kenny turned and said, this, man,

438
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: do you know how tight I was at that age? Yeah,

439
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, and said that just funny. They were poking

440
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: fun at each other and they kind of laughed it off.

441
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: And it's weird that that stuck with me.

442
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: I don't know why, because it was him recalling that time.

443
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And Kenny was a guy that I studied once.

444
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to elevate myself from wrestling study to puma,

445
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: how he moved and how he he wrestled, and then

446
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: seeing his you know, of course, so I got back

447
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 1: to see that. And then now I'm kind of in

448
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: a position to where I'm like, man, someone might say

449
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,239
Speaker 1: that to me one day, yeah, and I might have

450
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: to look back and go, man, do I miss that? Yeah?

451
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: You were you know.

452
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 2: One thing that I didn't know about you was I

453
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 2: knew you were African.

454
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: I didn't know you lived in Nigeria.

455
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 2: Do you remember Do you have any memories of that,

456
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: of the time there in Nigeria?

457
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's so it's so vivid because as a child,

458
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: because you you only recall like certain moments. Yeah, right,

459
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: I stick with you and I was just there enough

460
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: to really engulf the culture in the way that it

461
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: will never leave me. Yeah, it will never leave me.

462
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: That's why I'm so connected to the place. I was

463
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: going for almost twenty years and I was still I

464
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: still live and love to represent that place. Yeah, it's

465
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: something in our blood that we are just tied to

466
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: that place, and so yeah, I remember it. There was

467
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: a lot of moments with my brothers, my older brother,

468
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: doctor Kashuschmann, and my younger brother there's just there's three

469
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: little boys running around and just kind of causing mayhem. Yeah, yeah,

470
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: it was. It was really good times. It was fun.

471
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: And I mean we grew up humble beginnings. Yeah, we farmed,

472
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: and not only we farm, my mom had a little

473
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: convenient store to where we sold things to where it

474
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: was very very humble beginnings. But I don't remember any

475
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: moment where I was unhappy.

476
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: That's that's the craziest thing.

477
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: I grew up like very poor, and I just felt

478
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: like I was always so loved that it didn't really

479
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: matter what we had because you felt love.

480
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: So it's like you don't feel like you're missing as much.

481
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: Obviously, there are moments where you wish you had what

482
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: another kid had, because the people around you that mattered

483
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: so much, loved you so much, it didn't really matter.

484
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,239
Speaker 2: But then you guys moved to the United States, And

485
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: do you remember why you guys moved to the units parents?

486
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 3: Why you guys moved there?

487
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: Of course, I mean, it's one of the main reasons

488
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: why every immigrant really kind of immigrates to a certain

489
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: area or place for opportunity. And in Nigeria, where you're

490
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: so populated like that, and you live in a country

491
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: of just brilliant mind, I mean, if you look right now,

492
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: you look at Harvard, there's a percentage at are Nigerians.

493
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: Look at Columbia, you look at Yale, you look at

494
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: all these the ivy leave, you look at the doctor

495
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: some of the top doctors in the States, in the UK,

496
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: all over the world, there's a Nigerian in any mix.

497
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: We come from a culture of people who are ambitious

498
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: and who are relentless in their pursuit of excellence. And

499
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: with that being said, it's just so many people running

500
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: the exact same race to where there's not enough. There's

501
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: only ten spots over there, but you've got a million

502
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: people running that race for that ten spot. And you know,

503
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: my father was in the military and he found got

504
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: an opportunity here to be in the military here, and

505
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: he came here and became a a pharmacist. And I

506
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: think back then there was this lottery program you can

507
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: kind of and we were granted visus to come here.

508
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: And so it was the opportunity and yes and lucky

509
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: and my father dared to take that chance, go into

510
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: a foreign land and create an opportunity for his family,

511
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: which is forever I will be grateful for forever.

512
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: Was there anything better than giving the belt to your dad?

513
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: For me? It was like so amazing, Like when my dad,

514
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 2: it used to fill my heart. I honestly, my father's

515
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: not here anymore, but it would fill my heart to

516
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: give my dad the belt. And he could go back

517
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: and say, my son's a world champion. He can go

518
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: to Lafayette and all the people that your dad cuts

519
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: grass at the City of Lafayette, he go to all

520
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 2: those even go my son's a world champion.

521
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: That filled me with so much pride.

522
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: Was ever anything that felt better to you than handing

523
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: your mind or your dad.

524
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: That built like, yeah, that's very interesting that we can

525
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: spend so much time talking about this. I and obviously

526
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: in college I took this philosophy class, and in philosophy

527
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: they we had to read the Pursuit of Happiness by

528
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, or Aristotle one of them, and we had

529
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: to kind of come up with that in our head.

530
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: And doing that that whole term of going through that

531
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: essay and studying this, I came up with my pursuit

532
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: of happiness. And in my pursuit of happiness, I believe

533
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: there's there's three avenues in your pursuit of happiness. And

534
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: I call it flooring someone. And what I mean by

535
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: that is you put them in such a state to

536
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: where that state money can't buy that saint, nothing can

537
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: buy what they feel, the happiness that you create inside them,

538
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: to where you make someone cry uncontrollably, for you to

539
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,239
Speaker 1: floor your father to where he couldn't even buy the

540
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: fact that his son is a world champion. Yes, he

541
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: couldn't buy the fact that now you are able to

542
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: do something for him or just give him, give him

543
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: that stance that station in life to say my son made.

544
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: It, Yeah, I did something right. It is it is

545
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: a reflection of them.

546
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: It's a reflection of them because it's the it's the

547
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: the one thing in life that you cannot buy, they

548
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: cannot really control, is that future. And so that's the

549
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: first averne is you flooring your parents. You're giving them

550
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: that level of happiness to where you know what it

551
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: is when you just see them look at you. There's

552
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: a smile that comes on their face and it's a

553
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: weird smile you don't see You've never seen that usually,

554
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: and you just see that moment and inside you just know,

555
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: I've done it.

556
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: I did you feel you're full of joy.

557
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: You're full of joy. And then it's the next level

558
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: is when you show it to your kids, where you

559
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: give it to them, where your kid goes looks at

560
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: you and goes, holy shit, that's my dad. Yes, when

561
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: they are so damn proud, that's my dad. When your

562
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: kid brags about you at school, sh my dad's a

563
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: world championship that moment. And then the third level is

564
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: when they repay the favor, because now it's a circle

565
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: of life which goes in turn with the pursuit of happiness.

566
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: Now they give it to you, Now they have to

567
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: do it to their kids, and hopefully one day their

568
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: kids give it to them. But at every one the

569
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: other party cannot control. Yeah, that is my pursuit of

570
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 1: happiness and the moment I was able to do that

571
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: for my father. I mean, it's words can't describe that.

572
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what do you think the hardest part of

573
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: moving to the United States was?

574
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: Well, I think, like most immigrant is the simulation of

575
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: really because I hate to say, but this is just

576
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: the country that that requires you the excellence from you,

577
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: or at least it's going to ask of you excellence.

578
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: This is the one you come into this country. You

579
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: better learn English. Yeah, hey, you better learn English. We're

580
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: not trying to learn that. Whatever language you're speaking, you

581
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: better learn that.

582
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: I know I know no foreign language.

583
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: Where you go. You go to Africa, you go to

584
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: Nigeria and go to some places where oh come in,

585
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: come in, you speak Chinese? Oh coming? Well, yeah, we

586
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: we sign for you. We'll try to figure out whatever.

587
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: We'll find it. Wake you feel comfortable, Yes, we'll make it.

588
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: You feel comfortable to where here. It's like, you better

589
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: learn that damn English. If you don't learn that English,

590
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: you better go back.

591
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: Did you not speak English when you got here?

592
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: I spoke English obviously, because Nigeria is part of that

593
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: West Africa and that was kind of colonized by British,

594
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: so we spoke UK English. But I'm a child. I'm

595
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: still learning here the actual proper English. Where you come

596
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: to the States, it's different. In UK. The trash is

597
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: dust been so when so you come here to say

598
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: throw that in the trash, You're like what where? Or

599
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: open the trunk of the car, go to the boot.

600
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: So you learn these things. So now having to come

601
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: here and then learn that it's and then obviously I

602
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: was in the class called ESL, which ESL was kind

603
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: of in school of kids are cruel kids? Made it

604
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: seem like that's the you're in the special.

605
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: Class because you're trying to learn a new language.

606
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: Yes, because you're self, which really meant English as a

607
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: second language, to try to teach you, help you assimilate

608
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: to English. Kids are cruel kids made fun of it

609
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: or you in that short but you had a special class.

610
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: I would have been one of those morons doing that too.

611
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: You definitely was. I could tell you. And one of them.

612
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: Supid, you don't even know what it means. There's just

613
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: three letters that I don't recognize that I'm making funny.

614
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you and it's so stupid. Yeah, so yeah, just

615
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: that simulation was really really tough for me. But yeah,

616
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: we're kids. You don't understand that. You don't know that

617
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: you were just rolling with the punches each and every

618
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 1: day as long as you wake up, you got food

619
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: in your belly, you got loved ones around you. You

620
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: don't really care about any of that.

621
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: You know. One time you and I were having a conversation.

622
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: We talk a lot off Cameron, out of the public eye,

623
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: and I remember when Ben and even me one time,

624
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: we're at us this night and I called Jamarty right

625
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: and I asked you, why do you not want to

626
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 2: be called that anymore? When the whole time we had

627
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: and you gave me this great answer. You said, because

628
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: it's not my name. And I said, well, why did

629
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: you accept it?

630
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: To me?

631
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 2: It was so simple, and you said, I've grown into

632
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: my name.

633
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: My name.

634
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: Somebody called me this when I was a young kid,

635
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: and I thought I was supposed to just accept it. Well,

636
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 2: can you kind of explain that to people? Because no

637
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: one people didn't quite understand. But then the moment you

638
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: told me, I was like, fuck, I get it. It

639
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: makes sense and it makes me It made me look

640
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: at you like fuck man, take that strong African name

641
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: and wear it proudly.

642
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: Right. No, it's that's a great question because and it's

643
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: funny because my coach who started it, why saw me.

644
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: He was at my last fight. I brought him out

645
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: to my last fight and he was apologizing to me,

646
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: and I just felt I felt bad in a sense

647
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: because of how big this had gotten thanks to you,

648
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: Ben asking. Yeah, because of Ben, because of how big

649
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: this had gotten to what he felt maybe he did

650
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: something wrong. He didn't do anything wrong. You know, when

651
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: your child you're coming up up in something and some sport,

652
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: everyone has a nickname. You give everyone a nickname. And

653
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: it started kind of with you know, when you're in

654
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: the study hall, you're in the group, they have to

655
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: call you roll call your name, And my name was

656
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: actually on there in school. So he goes Cub and

657
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking about my coach is a military or former

658
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: marine bus cut, no nonsense kind of guy, and he's going,

659
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: uh a Ron Hill brunch here, coach, come come mad

660
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: and my name is Kamar, Kamar Kam. Yeah, and so

661
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: he goes Mary Mark. Okay, I can't say I'm not

662
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: saying that Marty, which he was just it was just joke.

663
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: It's like, Marty, I'm gonna call you Marty. I'm like, oh,

664
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: that's me, coach. I'm fight for two one hundred three pounds.

665
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: And he's I'm like that that's me, coach. He's like,

666
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call Marty. That's cool. And at that time,

667
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: like I said, I want to similar you wanted to

668
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: just be one of the guys.

669
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: We want to be like you want to be there

670
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: and just not too much calls.

671
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: Too much ruckus. I'm not in the position yet where

672
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: I want to stand out. You know, kids like to follow,

673
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: you don't. We don't want to stand out for the

674
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: pack because when you're a kid, you don't really understand

675
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: how powerful that is. And so I'm like, I just

676
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: want to go with it. So I went with it,

677
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: all right, Marty. But now I guess what, Now the

678
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: team starts calling me Marty. So we all know, like

679
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: anything else, if you suck at something that nick you

680
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: die off. At that moment, no one remembers you that

681
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: unless you're doing something goofy or crazy. I started to excel.

682
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: So when you start to excel, the name grows with you. Now,

683
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: it's Marty here. Marty won that tournament. Marty's here, Marty's night,

684
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: number one of the top kids in the state. Now,

685
00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: now collegiate coaches are calling, hey, this kid, Kamarrudi. We're

686
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: trying to oh, you mean Marty. So my coach says

687
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: that just unknowingly, he's oh, yeah, you mean Marty. So

688
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: now college coaches hear that. Now they oh Marty, Now

689
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: they call me that. Now I go to college, and

690
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: that's they're calling me that already, and I'm already in

691
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: here to where that name grows with me. And then

692
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: it would have died off in college that I sucked,

693
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: but I continue to excel. I won a national championship.

694
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: I came off the math the telemprompter at the bottom

695
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: during the interviews it said Marty Euschmann, which is crazy

696
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: now that I look at it, which is crazy to

697
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: me because that's not my name, But at that time

698
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: that's what it was, and I will I would have

699
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: to admit this right now, I've never said this before.

700
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: Doing a lot of reflection on that. I think part

701
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: of that was being a little ashamed to be on

702
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: a label differently, or call it this because my name

703
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: was different than Aaron or Chris or Jason or my

704
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: name was different. So for them to say the mouthful

705
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: of my name, I think I was a little maybe

706
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: ashamed of that. So I just went with the Marty thing,

707
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't that big of a deal, which

708
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: I actually is. It is. So once I got into

709
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: a position now to where not only am I representing

710
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: myself or trying to do this sport, now I'm representing

711
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: my name, my father, representing his lineage and his father

712
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: and everyone the name that they gave me. I'm like, no,

713
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: I have to represent that. I'm a growl man now

714
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a child. And so and Ben, listen, no,

715
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: I you know, I I'm good with everything now. But

716
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: with Ben, it was when Ben came in, he tried

717
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: to kind of use it as a joke because Ben

718
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: came in.

719
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: Ben came in, ha ha.

720
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: He came and Ben was just doing everything to try

721
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: to get the biggest fight, to get the biggest fights,

722
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: which I understand. And so when he came in, it

723
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 1: was like, first of all, now I got this chip

724
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: on my shoulder because he was a better wrestler. He

725
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: was a better wrestler accolades wise, not even close. I

726
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: started wrestling my sophomore year in high school, and Ben

727
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: had won, Ben who won probably won more titles as

728
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: a kid than I had ever combined. And so now

729
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: he starts saying that, and not only saying he's kind

730
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: of saying it in a condescending way, kind into pope fun.

731
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, you don't really know me.

732
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: You don't know me, you don't.

733
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: Know me like that, So you can't say that.

734
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: And plus that.

735
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: Is no longer my name. I'm not I'm not a

736
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: wrestler a kid in high school anymore. I'm a grown man.

737
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: Hey address me properly. And then he kind of ran

738
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: with it and made fun with it, which it was great.

739
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean I wish we would have got a chance

740
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: to fight, because that was another big fight. Yeah, because

741
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: now hindsight, looking back, you want everybody fight. You want

742
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: to fight every big fighters.

743
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah possible. Do you think that you grew into your

744
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: name or grew into yourself as a person.

745
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: I grew into myself as a person. Yeah yeah, yeah,

746
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: Because if I'm not who I am as a person,

747
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,959
Speaker 1: then what kind of representation are you doing to that name?

748
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely?

749
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: You you got hurt in football, and it almost ended

750
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: everything for you?

751
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 3: Was that in high school? You just like what happened

752
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 3: high school?

753
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: But it's like I said, freshman year, it's five foot two, yeah,

754
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: one hundred and three pounds Texas football.

755
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: It's big town football. It's big time football. On there,

756
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: bro High School.

757
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: One hundred and three pounds Texas football.

758
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, what were you doing? I was a tailback, Boom,

759
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: What were you doing out there?

760
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 1: I got I got a chance to run the ball. Boom.

761
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: It was like a forty three cutback. Boom gone, probably

762
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: got like fifteen twenty yards. Now I'm like, oh, it

763
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: was a big hole right there. Oh yeah, I like that.

764
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: They call another play, but this time to the other side.

765
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: But I'm like, that hole is open.

766
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: Last time he went back.

767
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: Cut it, Boom went back to the hole. I got

768
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: hit so hard, and I'm fired for two hundred and

769
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: three pounds. I haven't hit puberty yet, so I'm soft.

770
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm soft at this point. I mean, I usuldly jam

771
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: my fingers trying to catch it, football, all these things,

772
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: and I get smacked so hard. I'm on my back

773
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: just like screaming every cussword I could think of, and

774
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: the assistant football coach was assistant wrestling coach John Manz,

775
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: and he was kind of trying to be poking at me, Hey,

776
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: why don't you come try wrestling, because you know in

777
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: high school you want to recruit those little kids because wrestling,

778
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: we know that those little guys have an opportunity to

779
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: excel at a sport that it's not just football and basketball.

780
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: Because in Texas football, basketball and track there was a

781
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: key yep. So it's like, you want to recruit that man.

782
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: So he was kind of he saw that I kind

783
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: of had some athletic ability, and he was asking me

784
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: to come in. But I've never done wrestling, So I'm like,

785
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: ah no, but I have to take in this hit.

786
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, it's about time to find

787
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 1: something else.

788
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 3: You never played football again.

789
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: Never played football again. The next year, toward sophomore year,

790
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: I signed up for wrestling. I went straight into it.

791
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: The study hall. I just I started to just go

792
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: into wrestling.

793
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, did you think it was over? Like, like,

794
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: how badly were you in or wasn't bad?

795
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: I was soft at that point I.

796
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 3: Got I'm just back there.

797
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: I think I probably lived for like a week after that.

798
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh ridiculous.

799
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: You You went from being a guy that pursued something

800
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: to building one of the greatest legacies in the welterweight division.

801
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: I have seen on multiple occasions this week people, you

802
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: are the greatest walterweight champion of all time and not

803
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 2: the great George Saint Pierre.

804
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: I am not saying that.

805
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that I have heard that this week

806
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: as we have a bunch of h walterweight's fighting up

807
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: in the next a very upcoming future. But you're on

808
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: this wind streak, right. Do you recall a time where

809
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: you go, this is special. I can tell that I'm

810
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: building something very special.

811
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: No, I tried. I tried very hard not to do that.

812
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: Why because I watched some of the grades. I studied

813
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: some of the grades. And then while you're doing that,

814
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: they try not to because you have to stay locked

815
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: in president, you have to stay present. And by watching

816
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: them and kind of studying them, it took the opportunity

817
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: away from me to really sit back and go, oh man,

818
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: let me smell the roses. No, for me was what

819
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: was next? What was next? Because I found the satisfaction

820
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: in the chase, in the chase of the next thing,

821
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: the next thing and the next thing, and so sitting

822
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: there and going, oh, man, you know this was great.

823
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm great, I've did this. This is great. I couldn't

824
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't do that. I was just like, okay, what's next.

825
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: I remember the last time I thought about it, I

826
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: was five and one trying to get into the UFC

827
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: and they were saying, oh, well, if which spot opens up,

828
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: we'll give you a call. And then obviously the Ultimate

829
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: Fighter came about. But I just remember that was the

830
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: last time I was like, man, five and one, I

831
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: should do so. But then I would. I would always

832
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: compare to Rashat because I had an example of right there,

833
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: the right way to do it. And I remember I

834
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: went through his I think Rashad Evans actually had a

835
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: fifteen fight wind Street. We can check that, Yeah, we

836
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: can check that. I think at one point where shot

837
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: had it was on fifteen fight wind Street. And I

838
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: just remember looking, I'm like, damn, it's just when when when?

839
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 3: When?

840
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: When? Man? If I'm ever so lucky, I hope I'm

841
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: blessed with this one day to be able to go

842
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: on this run. But all I could think about I

843
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: was five and one, and then I was just the

844
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: next one. But the next one. I need the next one.

845
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: I need the next one. I never really stopped to go, man,

846
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: I'm doing well until before the last fight, where every

847
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: interview everyone's going, hey, you're about to type break this record,

848
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: to break this record, You're about to do this. How

849
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: you feel about this? I'm like, well, I never really

850
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: thought about it, but now that sh it's in my

851
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: head now I'm thinking about it until it didn't happen.

852
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I tried not to ever really dwell on it.

853
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: But now in the position i'm and I'm looking back

854
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: and going, man, not only am I going to miss

855
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: that chapter once it's done, I need to just kind

856
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: of appreciate it a little bit before it's gone.

857
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: Do you feel like there's a part of your MMA

858
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: journey that is a bit overlooked, Like maybe it's the

859
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: not getting the right opponents at the right time, the

860
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: slow burn to finally get in the title opportunity. Do

861
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: you think any part of what you did gets a

862
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: bit overlooked and you wish that it was appreciated a

863
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: little more.

864
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: No, because where I'm at right now, I'm blessed to

865
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: even look back and I'm like I said, I'm spiritual

866
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: to who I know. Everything happens for a reason, and

867
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: so being underappreciated early on built gave me that chip

868
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: on my shoulder to do something spectacular enough to have

869
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: the fans respect you in a certain Yeah, and so

870
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't go back and change anything. I

871
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: don't think anything really was overlooked. Yes, I at the time,

872
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: I hated, you know, even that comment when Danis thought

873
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: I was saying, oh, I came in with thirty you know,

874
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: effort and being kind of you know, because as wrestlers,

875
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: when we come in we want to take Now that's

876
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: the tool we have. And so coming in and doing

877
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: that to guys, I really built that grappling aspect of myself.

878
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, he probably wasn't the most fan friendly style

879
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: at first, but it gave me the foundation to grow

880
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: into standing and striking.

881
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: And that's your story, right, that's a part of your

882
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: story that I think we as MMA fans sometimes don't understand.

883
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: Do you think, like overall, like as you look back now,

884
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: that people understand Kamara Uzwan and understand what he needed

885
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: to be in order to be who he is today,

886
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: or do you think it's still a little bit misinterpreted.

887
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: It's still a little bit misinterpreted. But but I say,

888
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: the majority that know me, they know what to expect

889
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: from me. They know I can stand and bang and

890
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: bang if we need to. But they also know that

891
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: I can grapple to the point where in this fight.

892
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much I was getting from

893
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: fans going, man, take him down. You could take him now, Bro,

894
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: you gotta take him down, take him down, don't even

895
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: play that. Fans appreciated the fact that I have that

896
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: tool to take someone down, control them down there, and

897
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: land some damage on him. I was hearing. I couldn't

898
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: believe I was hearing fans say that to me, Bro,

899
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: you could take him down, Bro, you take him down. Bro.

900
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: They were, yes, they were. Fans were excited to see

901
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: me take him down, completely shut him down, and control

902
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: him and land damage down there, which was crazy to

903
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: me because I grew up here. Bro, you're so bored

904
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: when I was thirty twenty twenty seven. I was thirty

905
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty twenty six. Guys, I think my

906
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: first five or six fights, there wasn't one fight I

907
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: didn't get a ten to eight round yeah, and fans

908
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: would they don't want to set the wrestle yes to

909
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: where now. I mean, I'm in a position to where

910
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: they're going. Man, you gotta take him down, you control

911
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: them domin. Man, your wrestling is great, You got to

912
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: use that. I'm like, damn, you know y'all like.

913
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: Wrestling this, it's because you've already shown that you're willing

914
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: to do that. You did get on that long win streak,

915
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: but then it famously ended in one of the most

916
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: dramatic ways that I think anyone has ever seen in

917
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: a fight. You're fighting lean edwards in Utah. You're winning

918
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 2: the fight, right. He might have won the first round,

919
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 2: but then the next three rounds you dominate. It's very

920
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: close to the end. John Annigma murmur Like says, this

921
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: is not the clause by which he has cut And

922
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: then the head kick.

923
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: Do you remember any like, do you remember anything?

924
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: Because I mean, like seriously, because it was it was

925
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 2: It was a clean knockout, right, Can you go back

926
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: now and recall the moments after or are you still

927
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: missing no those memories because I still don't have those

928
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: memories from Jones knocked me out?

929
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: No, you can't. It's like lost in time. It's when

930
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: your computer shuts down boom and then reboots right away. Well,

931
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: it reboots the time from when it shut down to

932
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: when a reboot the computer got no new information.

933
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 3: Have you tried to try to recall it?

934
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: You when you when you watch it, you feel like

935
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: you can recall that, but deep on inside you know

936
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: you can't.

937
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: But like when you watch right the fight and you

938
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: watch yourself leaving the.

939
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: Octagon, I don't remember none of that.

940
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 3: See.

941
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: I saw myself crying one time walking back to the back,

942
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: and I was like, when did that happen? It's not funny,

943
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 2: it's not funny, Like I just like, when.

944
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 3: Did that happen? Right?

945
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 4: What do you remember coming? Like the light's coming back.

946
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 4: I was actually talking about this yesterday. It's so crazy

947
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 4: because it happens. I get I'm sitting up on the stool.

948
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: Obviously the coaches are gonna be there with you, and

949
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna ask the famous question what happened?

950
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: What do you hit me with? What do you hit

951
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: me with? You know? And I didn't realize I'd asked

952
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: it multiple times. I didn't realize I had asked it

953
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: multiple times. But Trevor obviously told me later. So we

954
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: get done. I stand there, they announce him as the winner.

955
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: I even dap him up, and I walk out of

956
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: there right autopilot. I walk out, walked, I'm dapping up

957
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: fans on the way out. All right, I'll get them

958
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: next time. Walk out all the way to the back sea.

959
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: Family cut the gloves off for me. I'm in the tent.

960
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm there see family. That transition probably was

961
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: fifteen maybe twenty minutes. Get done with family and the

962
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: UFC IS. I said, I'm okay, I'm fine. They're like, yeah,

963
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: just let's just go to the hospital just to scan

964
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: and make sure you're everything's fine. I said, okay, it's

965
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: just percussion. I get an ambulance. I helped my family

966
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: and then we're good. So I get an ambulance. I'm

967
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: going towards. I'm going to the hospital to me and

968
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: my manager Ali. Ali's in a ambulance with me. They're asking,

969
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: of course, and the paramedic back there, they're going to

970
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: ask their questions. So she's asking me questions and I'm

971
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 1: answering questions. And then she asked me this one question,

972
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: do you not only she asked me the question. I

973
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: think she asked me the question twice. She goes in

974
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: a row boom first time, do you know where you're at?

975
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: I didn't really hear it, but I can. I know

976
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: it's the same question. She asked me again. All right,

977
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: so do you know what day it is? And me

978
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: in It's almost like a competition, competitive, you know, mode.

979
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to get the right answer out, not just

980
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: get it out right. I want to get it out

981
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: and give her more so she knows exactly that not

982
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: only do I know the answer to that, but I'll

983
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: give you more for extra credit. Do you know a

984
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: D Yeah, of course not. It was Saturday, August something.

985
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: Do you like the Utah UFC two seventy fuck.

986
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 3: And you woke up? Shut the fuck up.

987
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: That's how you woke up UFC two seventy Oh. If

988
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 1: they're asking me question, no, really, that's I'm like, no way. Ali.

989
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,959
Speaker 1: Ali's there on his phone with this look on his face.

990
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: I just knew. I was like, no way, there's no

991
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: way you broke down. There's no way. I mean, I

992
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: no I took I just you know, because my brother's

993
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: there so we can just talk and we're fully honest

994
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: and transparent with one another. So I didn't really break

995
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: down there, but I'm like, there's no way what we

996
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: get back and we'll get to the in the hospital.

997
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting in the room. Man, at this point,

998
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: I'm shadow boxing because I'm fine. Everything is good. I'm

999
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: back now I'm shadow boxing. I'm just like no, And

1000
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: of course we just slit the world on fire with

1001
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: what just happened. And there's he's going through Twitter and

1002
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: we're looking at things and someone had clipped out because

1003
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: my daughter was there. Someone had clipped out my daughter,

1004
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: Like you know, she's happy because for all she's ever

1005
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: known is Daddy go out and win and do everything.

1006
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: And my daughter watched his brutal headcake. She never seen

1007
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: her dad down like that. So she's crying like she

1008
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: screams hysterically and she's turning. Someone clipped that, cut it,

1009
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: clipped it, screenshot it and posted it. And I saw

1010
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: that and that's when it broke me.

1011
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can only imagine.

1012
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: I saw a picture of my kids hugging me after

1013
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: I lost, and that it still breaks me today.

1014
00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't see it.

1015
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: When you look back on that time. After that, obviously,

1016
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: he won the third fight. Do you think that that

1017
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: bit it shake you? Obviously losing those two fights and

1018
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: then going into that Buckley fight where you knew you're

1019
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: kind of up against it, right, Like.

1020
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: I've lost to in a road of the same guy.

1021
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: He's not the champion anymore, but I know I can

1022
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: work my way back. But when you're walking in there,

1023
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 2: are you the same Kamara Wiseman? Are you still the

1024
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: same to carry the same confidence against a young guy

1025
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: who's on a run like Buckley was.

1026
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 1: I'm still the same, but the confidence is hurting, Yeah,

1027
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: because when you're all you've ever known is success, and

1028
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: that's not what it's been lately. It's it's a human trading.

1029
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: It messes with you. But I know who I am

1030
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: on the inside because I built myself. Yeah, no one

1031
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: had to tell me. I go all the way back

1032
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: to junior year when I finally started to learn how

1033
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: to cut weight in high school a little bit. No

1034
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: one had to tell me, Hey, you need to go

1035
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: for a run at night because it's gonna help your cardio,

1036
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: and not only help your cardio, it's gonna help you

1037
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: get that weight down. You know, No one had to

1038
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: tell me that I just knew that's what you're supposed

1039
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: to do. Okay, I want to be better than everybody.

1040
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: I have to do a little more than everybody. No

1041
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: one had to really tell me that. And so with

1042
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: all of that, me knowing that I built myself to

1043
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: this juggernaut that I felt like in my head, and

1044
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: then now that that wasn't it's being questioned. Of course,

1045
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: it starts to mess with you a little bit. Am

1046
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: I still that guy? I'm still that guy. I know

1047
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: I put the work in. I know. You know when

1048
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: when you know my lady wanted me to just come,

1049
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: come eat and relax with us. No, I'm not gonna

1050
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: eat that. You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna go

1051
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: in the garage and get on this air done. Yeah,

1052
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a little extra in. Yeah I know

1053
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm still that guy. But yeah, you start to kind

1054
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: of question it, like ah man. And then not only that,

1055
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: you know you have c we love to do promo.

1056
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: We know the promos. They gonna show you the highlights

1057
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: of this dude's knocking someone's head off over and over

1058
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: and over and over to where it starts to come

1059
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: drive that doubt even deeper and deeper and deeper. But

1060
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: I just I just had to have solidin you know,

1061
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: and that hey, whatever happens happened.

1062
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: Is that why you were so emotional after the wind

1063
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: because it touched me. It made my heart flutter when

1064
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: you were sitting at the press conference postfight, and it

1065
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: kind of broke down like in terms.

1066
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 3: Of like it was almost like a relief.

1067
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: DC Man. We know what it's like to be in

1068
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: a funk, you know that. And like I said, I'm

1069
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: spiritual enough now to where And even Folkes said this, like,

1070
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: adversity is a blessing. It is as much as as

1071
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: much as we hate it, as as much of an

1072
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: annoyance as it is for us, adversity is a blessed.

1073
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: Having the ability to have things, whether positive or negative,

1074
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: happen to you. That's a blessing because now you get

1075
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: to feel something. There's some people who can't feel any

1076
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: of that. Can you imagine being going their minds to

1077
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: where they just want to want to feel that the

1078
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: pain of being hit or pinched or punched, As weird

1079
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: as it sound, they just want to feel that sensation,

1080
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: but they can't feel that. And so adversity is a

1081
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: blessing to the point where I was just in that moment,

1082
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: just knowing that I'm going through so this much adversity,

1083
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: and as a father, the biggest gift for me now

1084
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: is being able to because kids, of course kids sometimes

1085
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: they can choose whether they listen to you or not,

1086
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: but they can't ignore the action. They can't ignore what

1087
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: you did. They can't ignore the fact that, yes, you

1088
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: drop three and everyone's writing you off like you can't

1089
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: win again. Yeah, you can't win again.

1090
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 3: Oh he's washed.

1091
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: I remember hearing that only was washed. He's washed, And

1092
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know I'm this guy. Still I still

1093
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: put the work in. I know I'm still not going

1094
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: to cut that corner. I still do the work. And

1095
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: so to go out there and have that actually happen

1096
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: and show that you you can still show that you

1097
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: are that guy after so much time. Yeah, it was very,

1098
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: very emotional. And the fact that my daughter wasn't able

1099
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: to be there at that fight too, because that was

1100
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: one of the lessons for you to see that. Yeah,

1101
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: the fact that she wasn't able to be there and

1102
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: feel it, because it's a different electricity when you're there.

1103
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, that that all of that combinations is it

1104
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: is personally what I'd gone through just it was was

1105
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: a mountains. When that mountains just gets slipped, even if

1106
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: it's for five seconds or five minutes that day, it

1107
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 1: came off.

1108
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: So many people don't recognize the struggles that fighters and

1109
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: people in the public eye go through outside of what

1110
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: they see. They can appreciate whenever they see a guy

1111
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: like you, so strong on the outside, really open himself

1112
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: up in a way that most aren't used to seeing.

1113
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: You said, kids sometimes don't listen. You did a lot

1114
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: of listening in your career, especially early, and you had

1115
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: two guys that really did make an impact on you.

1116
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: Rashaan Evans obviously we've spoken about him a little bit,

1117
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: and Anthony Johnson. Yesterday, I think you posted something saying, Anthony,

1118
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: you're going, but we will miss you forever. What did

1119
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: it mean for you to have two people in your

1120
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: life early in your career to mold you into the

1121
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: fighter in person you are that relates so closely to

1122
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: you strong men, athletes, wrestlers, black men to go and

1123
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: do what they did.

1124
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 3: To have Anthony and Rashada.

1125
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was powerful. I mean, representation is serious. It's

1126
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: a real thing. It's really really important because we can

1127
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: anyone can tell you this or tell you that, but

1128
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: until you see someone with your level of struggle and

1129
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: the same struggle like you, that looks like you, that

1130
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: it lets you know how one day, man, maybe I

1131
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: can do this, Maybe I can be there one day.

1132
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: And so coming in Rashad is extremely, not extremely Rashad

1133
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: was instrumental and just getting me to switch over to

1134
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: this sport. Yes, and and not And let's be honest,

1135
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: Rashad was one of the first of what we are now. Yeah, yeah,

1136
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking. Yeah, he's one of the

1137
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: first to put it together. And so and so with

1138
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: that that example, watching it over and over and just

1139
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: I might not say much, but I'm I'm taking notes mentally,

1140
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm taking notes. I'm watching how he conducts himself. I'm

1141
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: watching how he does these interviews. I'm watching how he

1142
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: answers this question. I'm watching how he cares himself. I'm

1143
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: watching how he prepares himself. And I'm picking. At that point,

1144
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm picking what I like that. I like that, I

1145
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: don't really like that so much. I'm gonna use that.

1146
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: I might use that. Rashotted and when the Black Zillion

1147
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: started which is a team where I started with Anthony Johnson.

1148
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: Of course was there Michael Johnson also another guy that

1149
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: was very instrumental in my development, because me and Michael

1150
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: Johnson probably have more rounds together than anyone. I mean

1151
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: me and Michael. Michael was very very instrumental because he

1152
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: was so fast, so fast, and he had no fear.

1153
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: And so imagine a smaller guy just beating on me

1154
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: for almost two years to where I learned enough to

1155
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: where now I can't to bully him. And so yeah,

1156
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: Michael Johnson very instrumental. Rashot Evans for the example that

1157
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: he set, and not just the example that he set.

1158
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,479
Speaker 1: Rashad Evans told me, hey, I said, hey, man, I can't.

1159
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can come to Florida because

1160
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I gotta get a place

1161
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: to live because I'm in the comforts of the Olympic

1162
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: training center. We ain't get no money like that. I mean,

1163
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: you wore a number one on team and you get

1164
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: a little check, but that was nothing like that to

1165
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: go get an own place and and live and just

1166
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: train full time. And then I was getting presented with

1167
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: an offer somewhere else. I was like, man, don't worry

1168
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: about that, Just come and come down. You can live

1169
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: with me. Now. Think about it. This is the first

1170
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: time I've ever been starstrucking seeing Rashot Evans. Yeah, it's

1171
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: a superstar that you only get to see on television.

1172
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: And he's telling me, just come living me in my

1173
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: in your house. Yeah, you superstar, come live with you. Yeah,

1174
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: come live with me. And we knew each other, but

1175
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: we didn't know each.

1176
01:04:58,520 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 3: Other that well.

1177
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, just had that heart to where he would just

1178
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: come live with me. Yeah. I moved to Florida, I

1179
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: was living. I lived with Rashad for I think two

1180
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: maybe almost two and a half three years wow. Living

1181
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: with Rashad, getting access to Michael Johnson, Anthony Rombo Johnson,

1182
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: which Anthony was. We had such a special, weird relationship

1183
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: because Anthony don't talk much. Anthony didn't. It wasn't until

1184
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: later on in life where Anthony kind of we were

1185
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: able to break those emotional barriers to where Anthony would

1186
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,919
Speaker 1: show that. But before that, Anthony just is a guy

1187
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: that would show up in the gym five minutes before

1188
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: practice in jeans and a shirt and with his like

1189
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,439
Speaker 1: tights on it already under on, take him off, put

1190
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: his gloves on, knock out a couple of dudes at

1191
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: that practice. Straight from there, put his jeans right back

1192
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: on without going to the shower, put his shirt off,

1193
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: and leave the gym.

1194
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1195
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: That was Anthony Johnson and so getting being able to

1196
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: see him and then watch him too. Anthony kme in office.

1197
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: He was a big puncher, big guy, just excel in

1198
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: the sport and spent a lot of time with our coach,

1199
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: Henry Hoof, and Anthony really became who he was. Now

1200
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: your fights with Anthony, I was at both of them.

1201
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: I watched the first one, but I fought at the

1202
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: second one in Buffalo, and I just I remember Anthony,

1203
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: but obviously backstage watching that, I'm like, well, man, Anthony.

1204
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: The first one, I'm like, Anthony really had a shot.

1205
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: He has a shot here because somehow I don't know

1206
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: how Anthony gets that left leg around the head, but

1207
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: somehow he does. You know, it's such a big, stiff guy,

1208
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: but that left leg wraps around your neck, and he

1209
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: just had unbelievable power and so unfortunately he couldn't get

1210
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: it done against you. I'm like, oh, man, Okay, that

1211
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: guy's especially something else. And then I remember the second

1212
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: time you guys were gonna fight. I was in the

1213
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: UFC now and I was on that card as well,

1214
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: and I just remember, you know, being there watching you

1215
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: gout and that was a buffalo correct. Yes, So remember

1216
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: watching you guys finished finish the fight and him dropping

1217
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,479
Speaker 1: that one as well. I think that was his last

1218
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: one for a while when he think he kind of

1219
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: walked away. But yeah, Anthony was special as well. And

1220
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm just now looking back at everything, just blessed that

1221
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: I got to even nourish that relationship a little bit

1222
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: before he passed.

1223
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 2: When he passed away, how did that affect you? Because

1224
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: Anthony actually gave me something when he passed.

1225
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: He gave me a watch.

1226
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,479
Speaker 2: It's the craziest thing that I was a random call

1227
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: and he said, Anthony left you a watch.

1228
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did that affect you? Losing? Because we saw

1229
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 3: this big, powerful man and had no idea what he

1230
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 3: was dealing with on the back end.

1231
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it he left me out. He left me a necklace,

1232
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: and he affected me a little bit. But like I

1233
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: said earlier, or the one thing that I think it's

1234
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: kind of weird, I don't want to say weird about me.

1235
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: But it's a little different. Is It's almost like I

1236
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: almost pre mourned situations. It's like I like to be

1237
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: overly prepared.

1238
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you knew he was sick.

1239
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 1: So when we found out that he was sick, because

1240
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: remember Anthony was great, great, great, then boom lost a

1241
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 1: bunch of weight, was going through something that when we

1242
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: found out he was sick. At this point I started

1243
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: to kind of, like I said, nourish that relationship a

1244
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: little bit more. Come on, come over to the house.

1245
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,759
Speaker 1: Anthony will not only come over like it meant something

1246
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: to me to invite Anthony Johnson over to my house

1247
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: because Anthony Johnson was already a USC superstar when I

1248
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: before I started fighting. Come to my house for him

1249
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: to see that, Hey, this little kid that came in

1250
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 1: the gym that didn't know how to do anything, now

1251
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: is is has a house. Anthony came over and sat

1252
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: down with a short pool and just kind of hung

1253
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: out and just I wanted to get to what was

1254
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: going on. I mean, you, yeah, I have been sick.

1255
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: That doctor said they might know this, they might not that,

1256
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: you know. So we spent a little bit of time together.

1257
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: We started to get a little closer, and then he

1258
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: was just sick. And so part of that process, I

1259
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: started kind of this prepare, prepare myself. It's just it's

1260
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 1: a weird thing to say, to even think, but just

1261
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: my mind is wired that way to where I kind

1262
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: of prepare myself a little bit and a little bit

1263
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: to where when I got the call, actually I was

1264
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: going to I got a text. I was actually going

1265
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: to call him that day and said, hey, man, I'm

1266
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: coming back in town. Remember we had talked about doing something. Hey,

1267
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: when you want to come over to the house. Then

1268
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: I get the text and I'm just like, oh no, yeah, no,

1269
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:59,799
Speaker 1: because how it doesn't make sense? Yeah, how uh someone

1270
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: like specimen like that.

1271
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 3: Could just get destroyed by It's.

1272
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: Just it's gone in no Timeue, It's gone. That didn't

1273
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: make sense to me at that point, but it's I

1274
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: almost kind of pre prepared myself. Yeah for that.

1275
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 2: We're all gonna miss Anthony forever. A few quick ones

1276
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 2: before I let you go tomorrow. Two daughters now, Fyonce.

1277
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 3: Everything.

1278
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 2: Life is just amazing in that regard. But you're very present.

1279
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 2: I think that is like the most amazing thing about you. Like,

1280
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 2: what does it mean to you? To be so present

1281
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 2: because like you said, tennis practice, I'm there, maybe I'm

1282
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 2: there changing diapers.

1283
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 3: Like what does that mean to you? To be so present?

1284
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: It means a lot because I got that from my

1285
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: first my first daughter, with everything you're all, yeah, I

1286
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: I always knew I wanted to be a father. That

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Speaker 1: was a big thing for me. But because naturally my

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Speaker 1: father was there, my mother was there, and I just

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Speaker 1: see the importance of that. It's so important to where

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Speaker 1: I always wanted that, I wanted to be there. And

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Speaker 1: so now with my first daughter, she conscious, Being able

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Speaker 1: to just take her to the gym each and every

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Speaker 1: time with me and just have her sit there and

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Speaker 1: watch me was was man, it was amazing. I got

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Speaker 1: to take her to the gym with me from from

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Speaker 1: she was one to about five years old, when she

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Speaker 1: was ready for kindergarten. We had a routine. We go

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Speaker 1: to the gym. After I get done, go straight to

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Speaker 1: toys r us or Baby's are us back at the time.

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Speaker 1: At that time, we spent about thirty forty five minutes there.

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Speaker 1: I knew how to get in the car, I knew

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Speaker 1: what song to play. Boom, She's out, She's out, Boom.

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01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: I get home at this exact time, take her straight

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Speaker 1: up to her bed, let her sleep there. She's out

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Speaker 1: for two hours. She gets down, hot the food ready

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Speaker 1: for We had a routine down and so I just

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01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: and then once she started to grow. Because I used

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Speaker 1: to say when I was young, I used to say, Man,

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01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: if I ever become a dad, I want to just

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Speaker 1: miss the first two years. I want you to just

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Speaker 1: get me the kid when they can talk and do

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Speaker 1: all these things. But then when I went through that

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Speaker 1: process and you get to see them, never want to

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Speaker 1: miss that, you ever. You see them start to discover

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01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: their hands and play with their hands, and you hear

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Speaker 1: that first laugh, that real deep chuckle, and all of

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01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: these things created such a tie and such a bond

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Speaker 1: to where I'm like, oh, no, you have to be

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Speaker 1: present now. It's a it's a tough part because part

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Speaker 1: of getting that luxury.

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Speaker 3: Is you have to work.

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Speaker 1: Means you have to work. And I would say that's

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Speaker 1: been the hardest thing is working and at the same

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Speaker 1: time trying to kind of present that balance because I've

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Speaker 1: heard some great men say, if you want to give

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Speaker 1: them everything, they have to understand Daddy's not.

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Speaker 3: Going to be make everything. Yes, you're not gonna be there,

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Speaker 3: You're not going to be around. That sucks.

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Speaker 1: And so that's that double edged sword because I can say, now,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to leave. I

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01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 1: want to be there for everything. But what if it

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01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: comes an opportunity that they need me to provide for

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01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: but now they have to pass it up because I

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Speaker 1: didn't go do the work to provide for that. And

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Speaker 1: they don't want to hear that. No, no one wants

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Speaker 1: to hear nobody else. It's just this is an opportunity

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Speaker 1: for me. Daddy, can can I take advantage of this?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry you can't because I.

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Speaker 3: Ain't got it.

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Speaker 1: I ain't got it.

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Speaker 3: It can't be like that though, And.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the hard part from you right now.

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01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 2: And to ensure that it's podcasting, it's acting, it's fashion.

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Speaker 3: You have so many different arms in the fire man.

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01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 2: Wait, don't say it like that, not like you the future,

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01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 2: but I'm saying you are one of the ones that

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Speaker 2: have a future television, broadcasting, podcasting, acting, fashion. You have

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01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 2: options to have built this life right knowing that, like

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Speaker 2: we said in the beginning, we're closer to the end

1350
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 2: then the beginning when you look back with all these things,

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01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 2: what do you tell Kamara Rouswan that took a chance

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01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 2: and went to Florida.

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Speaker 1: Just work, stay consistent, and trust the unknown, because that's

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01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that we can even fathom when you're

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Speaker 1: in that situation. And I tell this quick story. I

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01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: remember when there was a I think a five six

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Speaker 1: month stint where I wasn't living with at Rashad's house

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Speaker 1: and I was living with Michael Johnson and I'm one,

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Speaker 1: and oh, actually, yeah, I'm one, and oh I can't

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01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: get a fight because you know, at this point, people

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Speaker 1: just google you. Oh he's a wrestler, Now fight him.

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Speaker 1: I can't want to fight him. I couldn't get a

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01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: fight eight months, and I'd buy no money. I'm not

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01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: under the roof of Rashaan Evans where everything's taken care of.

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01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: And so I just remember on the walk one day

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Speaker 1: and I'm on the phone with my mom because I

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Speaker 1: used to just do morning walks because that was our

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Speaker 1: ritual at the old training center, you know, World team walks.

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Speaker 1: So I'm walking and I remember I'm on the phone

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Speaker 1: with my mom. I'm like, I'm not thinking I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: come home. I'm having to survive off of just eggs

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Speaker 1: and bread and I might need to come home, And

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Speaker 1: she said, I no, I just stayed the course. But

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Speaker 1: at that moment I couldn't fatho him. One day I

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Speaker 1: would be sitting with you know, two time hall of

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Speaker 1: two times led Champion, two division champion, and Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame Dan, you callte me a talking about where I

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01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: am man and my opportunities and what I've done in

1379
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Speaker 1: this sport. You can fathom that. And so if I

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Speaker 1: had any and I tell these fighters nowadays, it's just hey,

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01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: just work and trust that the work will get you there,

1382
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: because that's the only way you could quantify the sacrifice.

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Speaker 1: The sacrifice it and also the success level. It's that

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Speaker 1: consistent work.

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Speaker 2: Comorrow, I ask everybody that's sitting down with me, when

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Speaker 2: it's all said and done, how do you want to

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Speaker 2: be remembered.

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Speaker 1: This is something I'm struggling with now, right now, and

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Speaker 1: because I'm you know, we elevate each time, we elevate

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Speaker 1: to a certain point in life, to where you're exposed

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01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 1: to so much more than what you think. And to

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01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: this layer that I'm in now, I'm exposed to Pete different,

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01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: a different set of people and just understanding their minds

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Speaker 1: and how they are. And and it's tricky because I'm like, ah,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be like that. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be like that. To where I do. I have

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Speaker 1: met some people, but it's very few people that I've

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Speaker 1: met to where I can say they did right by me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And when I leave, when I'm done with this sport,

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01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: my mission and my goal right now. And I'm not perfect,

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01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm not, but I want everyone that had an encounter,

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01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 1: had to bump in with me, had to run in

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Speaker 1: with me, did business or did anything with me. I

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Speaker 1: want them to say he did right by me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Coaches, you know, trainers, managers, everyone to say he did

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Speaker 1: right by me. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I tell you one thing, man, That's the message

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Speaker 2: I'll give people as we go forward as this Kamara

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01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: Rousman did right, but I mean guys. Kamorrow Rouswan, as

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Speaker 2: I said earlier, is one of the greatest fighters the

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Speaker 2: UFC has ever seen.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, as you get to know more about him, it's one.

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Speaker 2: Of the most well spoken, well thought of and thoughtful individuals.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, father, champion, podcaster, actor, fashionista.

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Speaker 3: He can do it all.

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Speaker 2: I thank you for joining me guys, until next time,

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01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 2: like subscribe and to tell you friends about my YouTube

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01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 2: channel and don't never miss an episode of The Daniel

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Speaker 2: Cormier Show.

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Speaker 3: Until next time, Peace,