1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: So, no matter how great a relationship is, it should 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: never turn violent. Picture someone getting smashed across the nose 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: with the log, chase down the street with a knife, 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: or getting a hot cup of coffee thrown in their face. 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: That's just some of what happened to our greatest president. 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 1: I'm Patty Steele. A peek behind the curtains of the 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: Lincoln marriage. Next on the back story. We're back with 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: the backstory. There is no such thing as a perfect relationship, 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: but there is one completely black and white issue, a 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: line you just don't cross, and that's when disagreements or 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: anger turns violent. You might think it could never happen 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: to a successful, powerful person, but that's where you're wrong. 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: It can happen to anybody. A perfect example of that 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: our greatest President, Abraham Lincoln. He was a complicated guy 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: who came from a sad, difficult background, but he was 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: noted to be unfailingly kind and compar passionate. And maybe 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: that's where his problems with his wife, Mary Todd Lincoln began. 18 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: Mary's temper was ferocious, and he put up with it 19 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: in his own way. Now, in fairness, a lot of 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: historians agree that she was emotionally unstable, with an explosive 21 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: temper that was exacerbated by migraines, terrible menstrual issues, and 22 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: likely two other conditions that included bipolar disorder and pernicious anemia, 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: which can cause everything from fatigue to fever and electrical 24 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: buzzing sensation down the spine, anger and delusion. Neighbors said 25 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: that Mary threw cups of hot coffee at abe, smashed 26 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: him across the nose with a piece of firewood, chased 27 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: him out of the house with a broomstick, ran after 28 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: him outside with a knife, threw books at him and 29 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: even potatoes, which is kind of like throwing rocks at somebody. 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: And she was constantly verbally abusive toward him, screaming at 31 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: him at the top of her lungs. She caused what's so, 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: several witnesses said were bloody injuries to his head. In 33 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: the firewood incident, she was angry that he wasn't building 34 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: a fire fast enough at home, and she slammed him 35 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: across the face with a piece of wood. His law 36 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: partner said the next day he came to work with 37 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: a large bandage covering his injured and torn nose. Mary 38 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: simply didn't hide her temper. Folks in their hometown of Springfield, 39 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: Illinois said Mary's tantrums for the talk of the neighborhood, 40 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: and that she also aimed her anger at people working 41 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: in local shops or at her house, as well as 42 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: her own servants. When she went off on Abe, his 43 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: law partner said he could always tell, because he'd come 44 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: to work and find Abe sleeping on a couch in 45 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: the office, or sometimes he'd be staying with friends across town. 46 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: What did Lincoln do about all of this, Well, he 47 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: put up with it, but he also, as a traveling lawyer, 48 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: did everything he could do to stay away from home, 49 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: and he became increasingly aloof which, understand only made her 50 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: even more upset. So none of what he did in 51 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: response to her abuse was the right answer to the problem, 52 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: but in those days there weren't a lot of answers 53 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: about how to deal with mental illness. As time went by, 54 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: Lincoln became more and more well known on the political circuit, 55 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: which of course delighted Mary. She wanted a bigger life 56 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: than she had as the life of a small town 57 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: traveling lawyer, but his success also frightened her. For several reasons. 58 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: She was impossibly jealous of the attention he got, particularly 59 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: from other women, but from men as well, And after 60 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: he won the presidential nomination and eventually the election, she 61 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: was terrified for his safety. She tried to make herself 62 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: a big deal in Washington, but she went about it 63 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: the totally wrong way. A compulsive shopper, she ran up crazy, 64 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: huge debts. If she went shopping for leather gloves in 65 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: New York City, she would buy and I mean this literally, 66 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: one hundred pairs. She bought wildly expensive clothes for the 67 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: White House. She bought wildly lavish furniture, fabrics, art rugs, china, 68 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: and crystal, and to hide it from her husband, she 69 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: falsified bills and illegally got a hold of federal funds 70 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: to partially pay off her debts with the help of 71 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: a dishonest White House manager. But she always had people 72 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: looking for money from her. She also took really expensive 73 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: gifts from men who wanted government jobs, and then lobbied 74 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: abe for those guys to get those jobs. Now, in 75 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: his defense, he rarely gave in on that front. One historian, 76 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: as well as Lincoln's law partner, set about the marriage 77 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: that life in the Lincoln House was a burning, scorching hell. Again, 78 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: in fairness, his law partner had a deep seated hatred 79 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: for Mary, Plus she did have a lot of physical 80 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: and mental issues, as well as a husband who retreated 81 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: from her and also was wildly busy with a civil war. 82 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: Her anxiety and depression and only worsened when one of 83 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: her little boys, her favorite child, Willie, died in eighteen 84 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: sixty two, and she never really got over that. When 85 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: Lincoln was assassinated, Mary completely collapsed. She didn't even go 86 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: to his funeral, didn't comfort her. Sons didn't leave her 87 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: bed in the White House for over a month. Eventually 88 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: she moved to Chicago, but ten years later her son Robert, 89 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: who lived out there, had her committed to a sanitarium. 90 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: She stayed for just three months, then she went to 91 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: live with her family until she died in eighteen eighty two. 92 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: Abe Lincoln's compassion for people who were suffering is legendary, 93 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 1: and that included his wife and her issues. The pain 94 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: he suffered in his own life helped him to feel 95 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: for others, but the inability for either him or his 96 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: wife to effectively deal with her mental illness and violent 97 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: temper led to an awful lot of sadness for both 98 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: of them and their kids as well. There's never a 99 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: real to excuse abusive behavior. It needs to be recognized 100 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: and treated for everybody involved, and that is a lesson 101 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: we all can learn from understanding the Lincoln marriage. Hope 102 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: you're enjoying the Backstory with me, Patty Steele. 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