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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four. Today in

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Speaker 1: the show, we're answering listener questions about scouting and we're

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Speaker 1: dealing some exciting news about the future of Wired to Hunt.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired Hunt Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by First LFE. Today, we've got a hell of

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Speaker 1: a crew. It's a motley crew. We're covering a lot.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna first touch on some updates, some very exciting

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Speaker 1: updates in the world of Wired to Hunt, and then

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Speaker 1: we're gonna answer some questions from all you're gonna talk.

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Speaker 1: Some are scouting, summer prep, hunt planning, all things in between,

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Speaker 1: and who knows what else. We might even touch on

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Speaker 1: bob cats and turkey mating rituals with our buddy Spencer Newhart,

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Speaker 1: who's back on the show after a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a little bit of time away. He's been stolen over

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Speaker 1: by media there. He's always over there now and I

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Speaker 1: can never get him on my show. But I came

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Speaker 1: to Bozeman just to harass him into getting back on

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Speaker 1: the white Tail Beat. So, Spencer, welcome back to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark, You're welcome for being here. Also with

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Speaker 1: me is Tony Peterson. Uh, Tony, thanks for having me. Buddy.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you back on the show. And in around.

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Speaker 1: We've been able to do a lot together lately. We've

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Speaker 1: we're best. He's now, man. I know yesterday we were

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Speaker 1: filming and Tony wanted me to sit on a rocking

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Speaker 1: and wanted to talk about our future together. And it

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Speaker 1: got kind of weird. It was just such a beautiful setting.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was I get that. Uh. And then

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Speaker 1: to my left, I've got the man behind and the

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Speaker 1: men the podcast editor. We got Hayden and Hayden, how

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Speaker 1: do I pronounce your last name properly? Hold on? Hold on?

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Speaker 1: Should you explain that a little better? Yeah, he's the

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Speaker 1: guy who edits the podcast. He's the one behind all

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Speaker 1: of what we do. So Hayden pronounced that sack sack? Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Hayden is podcast editor. He's a white tail honey nut. Right.

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Speaker 1: Would you say that was that correct? Yeah? I'd say

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Speaker 1: that's accurate, man, for sure. What else do I want

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Speaker 1: to share with the world about Hayden. Mm hm. We

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Speaker 1: share a similar interest in fly fish and how about that.

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Speaker 1: I like that. I do like that about you a lot.

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Speaker 1: What I don't like is that you live in a

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Speaker 1: better part of the country for it, And so in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the winter, you're sending me text messages

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Speaker 1: about the fifty fish days you're having while I'm shoveling

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Speaker 1: my driveway. Boseman, Man, Yeah, you got a get there. Um,

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Speaker 1: we probably can't talk about your girl friend non air

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Speaker 1: because it's kind of fresh and new and dude, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Man? Like I said, listen, we can't

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Speaker 1: talk about I want to talk about it. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of great rodeo stories here we could discuss. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go down that road. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: get me in trouble, dude. Uh So maybe we should

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Speaker 1: stop right there. Uh So. The reason we're all together

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Speaker 1: is because we are working on a lot of cool

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Speaker 1: new stuff in the Wired Hunt world. This year. We

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Speaker 1: are I don't know if we want to say relaunching

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Speaker 1: things with the Wired Dunton brand. For for those of

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Speaker 1: you who have been long time followers, you knew wired

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Speaker 1: knew wired Hunt as a YouTube channel where I produced

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Speaker 1: my own videos, and then we launched the podcast. And

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Speaker 1: then when wired Hunt became a part of the Mediator family,

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Speaker 1: with you that things are changing. We are getting all

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Speaker 1: those goodies back Wired Hunt. You might think of it

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Speaker 1: that means there's gonna be more white tail stuff for

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Speaker 1: We have a new wired Hunt website experience of sorts,

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Speaker 1: to wired dot dot com. The other one would be

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Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com backslash hunt, backslash whitetail dash Dear. Okay,

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Speaker 1: nobody's gonna remember that just telling you the meat eater

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Speaker 1: But but here's the options. As as Spencer said, there's

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Speaker 1: meat eator dot com, the meat eater dot com forward

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Speaker 1: slash wired, and you'll you should see the Wired Hunting

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Speaker 1: will take you to the wire Hunt experience. One way

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Speaker 1: or another, you'll find this damn website where there's gonna

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Speaker 1: We're gonna try to bring you like every white tailed

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Speaker 1: But to this point, you and me have been hammering

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Speaker 1: In the last, but not least, on the podcast side

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt Foundations podcasts show up in your feed

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Speaker 1: then you get into hard and soft mass and checking

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00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: that out now and just kind of making a plan

429
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: for the fact that the white tails are gonna live

430
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 1: off their stomachs and you know, we know that, and

431
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: I like that part about it, but I like the

432
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: fact that it helps me sort of envision what I'm

433
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: going to be dealing with deer wise and people wise.

434
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 1: Like the food is the key to everything, you know,

435
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: and you can kind of tie it into hunters being

436
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: addicted to being able to see a long ways and

437
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: have easy sits, and you can just use that to

438
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 1: inform and go, Okay, I'm probably not going to really this.

439
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 1: This bean field isn't gonna play into my hunting strategy

440
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: the way it might somebody else's. But it's gonna lead

441
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: me to that staging area that I scouted it in March,

442
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: or it's gonna it's gonna lead me to something a

443
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: little bit different because I can just I can make

444
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 1: an educate to guess I'm probably what's going to happen

445
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: around those food sources. The one thing I was gonna

446
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 1: say is, would you agree that how someone values the

447
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: summer food sources they scout, how they value it should

448
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: be dependent on when they're opening day? Is because because

449
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: understanding a summer food source matters a whole lot to me.

450
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: If I five, if I have a September one opener,

451
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 1: it's less valuable to me in my opinion, if I

452
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: have an October first opener. Yeah, it depends what you have.

453
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: So if you and and this is this is coming

454
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: from a place of experience, but you know, if you

455
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: have a corn field, people who have hunted around corn no,

456
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: that's a different thing to hunt in September versus October

457
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: and November. Beans are the same thing. Alfalfa can be

458
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing, and so yeah, you kind

459
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: of do have to factor that in. But that's that's

460
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: also taken into account. You know, are you are you?

461
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,479
Speaker 1: You know, if you have that September one opener, your

462
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: your plan is going to be around that food. But again,

463
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't to me. It doesn't really matter if you're

464
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: in New York or you're in Iowa and you have

465
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 1: a little later opener. Yeah, that the bean field will

466
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: look different than it does in North Dakota in September

467
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: one open or in Nebraska, but the same rules apply,

468
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: Like if there's a if there's a easy destination food

469
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: source there that that people are going to believe the

470
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: deer are gonna hit. They're gonna hunt it the same

471
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: way probably. I mean, the pressure concentration will probably be

472
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: the same thing. The deer might be using it a

473
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: little bit differently or a lot differently. I think that's

474
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: the key thing. You're right, the hunters will probably approach

475
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 1: it the same way that the key things remembering that

476
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: the deer will probably operate differently. And we should say

477
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: something to you mentioned the summer range versus fall range,

478
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: and we should say, like that's not it's a that's

479
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: a weird one because it's not a guarantee that they're

480
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: going to move right, you know, like sometimes you see

481
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: them June, July, August, and September they're right there. And

482
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: sometimes you get those transient deer that seemed to show

483
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: up and some of your bucks disappear, and I like,

484
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody studied that. I don't know why it happens.

485
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: But if you're on a buck and you know it's

486
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: it's July or August, you're thinking, like, man, I hope

487
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: this dude doesn't move. They're like, there's no guarantees going anywhere.

488
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: He might be right there. So from my experience, very

489
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: unscientific anecdotal, if I had to put like a rough

490
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: number on just from from some of the properties that

491
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: I watched obsessively over the years and have seen it

492
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: over and over and over again on you know, various

493
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: private chunks in Michigan and other states, about half of

494
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: the bucks maybe on average, disappear, half stick around. So

495
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: usually when I go into a new season, I'm bet like,

496
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: if there's two big bucks on that farm in the

497
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: summer that I'm watching, I'm gonna kind of assuming you

498
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: probably one of them is gonna stick around, one will

499
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: probably disappear. That's my general rule of thumb. Is that

500
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: kind of in line with what you've seen, Yeah, so

501
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's it's a chance. So I would say,

502
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: don't be wed to those bucks, but at the same time,

503
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: don't ignore him. So that's a good point. My biggest

504
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: concern if I'm like summer scouting something, since most of

505
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: what I haunt is either public land or private land

506
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: that shared permission with two or three other guys, is

507
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: the presence of other hunters. Especially A lot of states

508
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: have laws around how long you can keep tree stands up.

509
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: Salth Dakota is one of them. If I was on

510
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: a piece of public land in South Dakota scouting it

511
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: in July, knowing that tree stands aren't allowed to be there,

512
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: but I run into like three other tree stands, that's

513
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: really concerning. And and although I could run into a

514
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: lot of great other sign robs and scrapes, if if

515
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: there's two tree stands on each side of it, I'm

516
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: no longer interested. Same thing with trail cameras. Um, it's

517
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: like not uh a low investment for somebody to go

518
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: out and hang five trail cameras in July when the

519
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: weather sucks and there's ticks out um and it's super humid.

520
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: So if I'm finding trail cameras on some shared piece

521
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: of private again, I'm not super interested because I know

522
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: if if there's pressure there now, there's gonna be pressure

523
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: there this fall. Yeah, great point. Now here's a situation

524
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: I want to run past you guys, which is one

525
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: that I find myself debating internally when I see it.

526
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: And it just happened. I was scouting some public land

527
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: the other weekend and I got out there and there

528
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: was a whole bunch of permanent sets on public land.

529
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: So someone from neighboring private want back into the public

530
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: and set up stands as if they own it. But

531
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: it's public lan and dozens of I mean tons of stands.

532
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: So you see all those stands, you think, geez, this

533
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: thing is getting pounded. But then at the same time

534
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: you think, okay, you know how many there's a gun stands?

535
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: Like how much do you think about are these guys

536
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: gonna be your opening weekend when I'm gonna count or

537
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: like the second week of October, We're not gonna hunt

538
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: versus are all these things set up and they're just

539
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: getting pounded during guns season, Like in some states you're

540
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: gonna have six hundred thousand hundreds out for guns season,

541
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: while you might only have hundred thousand out during both season.

542
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: So sometimes I'm sitting there thinking that, oh, Jesus, looks

543
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: at the whole world's here. But if I just write

544
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: the place off the map and assume that maybe on

545
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: October or seven through the twelve there's zero people out there,

546
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: and I would have had the run of the place

547
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: all the way till November fifteenth or whatever opening day

548
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: is and whatever state. Ah. I'm constantly going back and

549
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: forth on that, and I think that's something that Tony

550
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: specifically has opened the eyes of myself, and I think

551
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are familiar with this work that, um,

552
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: when a lot of folks are at home in like

553
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: early to mid October, Tony's out there killing bucks every year,

554
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: multiple deer um. So I think that can be an

555
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: option in that case, right, But yeah, showing up there

556
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: for the rut like the first week in November or

557
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: gun opener around Thanksgiving probably not a good situation. Yeah,

558
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: what would you add, Tony? I would add that that

559
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: might be my biggest pet peeve on public land. I mean,

560
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: it's just so common, like I don't know what, you know,

561
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: Like everybody here has experience out there in public land,

562
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: and it's like the compliance rate with tree stand laws,

563
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: it just seems low, man, it just seems low. And

564
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: I do it kind of like you bring up a

565
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: good point mark. Like I I'll go in you know,

566
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: sam hunting, like the Big Woods of Wisconsin, and I'm

567
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: on public dirt there and I'll look at stands and go,

568
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: you can you can look at them and pretty much go,

569
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: that's a that's a bow stand, it's a gun stand,

570
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like you just tell you

571
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: if somebody drove a side by side in there and

572
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: threw up a double ladder stand, like you're like, okay,

573
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know when that dude's coming in, right.

574
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: But if you if you're on a little river crossing

575
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: and you see that hang on stand up twenty, you go, okay,

576
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: now that this guy and I would probably be rubbing elbows.

577
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: And I just I hate that claiming public land mentality.

578
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: And it happened. I mean, you know, the you deal

579
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: with it in the Southwest on the water holes. It's

580
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: it's prevalent, and just for me, when I look at that,

581
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: I go, I just try to make a decision like

582
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I can hunt here October five, or maybe

583
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: I can hunt here weekday mornings, or maybe I'm just

584
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: going somewhere else because it seems like the saturation points

585
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: real high. But like you said, you don't really know

586
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: till you get in there. If you if you go

587
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: into a place and your Spidey sense is say, man,

588
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: that's a boastand that's a boastand that's a boastand that's

589
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: a boastand you might just be like, Okay, it's time

590
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: to either go way deeper or go somewhere else. But maybe,

591
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it is a bunch of gun stands

592
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: you don't know. Yeah, yeah, that's a tricky one. Sometimes,

593
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: Like you said, you gotta test the waters, see what

594
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: happens and just and uh not much more can do

595
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: from that. What about this one related to something you

596
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: brought up, which is the Big Woods uh scenario up

597
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Someone here, Ace ace Agrin maybe would be

598
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: how you if you say this, Uh, he wants to

599
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: know how you would approach summer scouting in the big

600
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 1: woods where there's little to no agg to glass, Right,

601
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: I mean I can sit here and preach about glass

602
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: and bean fields. That's pretty easy. What if you don't

603
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: have that? We publish an article last fall on the

604
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: mediator dot com that was written by Dylan Tramp who

605
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: haunts the Black Hills in South Dakota a lot. And

606
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: for the article he interviewed Ball Martinic, who haunts the

607
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: big Timber of Pennsylvania a lot. So together they have

608
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: like really good perspectives on hunting big woods. A couple

609
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: of things they talked about. UM. One was the edge

610
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: effect that you want to look for or that can

611
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: come from change in vegetation UM A change and where

612
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: timber has been harvested. UM, A change in where there's

613
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: a meadow. The edge effects that also will attract like

614
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: varmints and songbirds will also attract deer, and so edge effect,

615
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: according to Bow and Dylan, who have killed a lot

616
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: of big woods, deer are really really important. Something else

617
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: that that Bow had talked about how um, just a

618
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: little bit of sign usually isn't enough for him because

619
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: deer can sort of aimlessly travel through big woods. He

620
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: wants a cluster of sign like community, scrapes, robs, um

621
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: all the indicators that we love and that's gonna show

622
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: him where we're buck are more than likely betting. So

623
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: those are two things in the big Woods from the

624
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: perspective of Dylan Tramp a Western Big Woods hunter, and

625
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: Beau Martonic and Eastern Big Woods hunter, have I like it.

626
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: I think I also remember talking with Bow on our

627
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: podcast handful months ago, and they were talking about summer

628
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: trail cameras and that being, you know, another really key

629
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 1: point part of their summer scouting. Since they can't glass fields,

630
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 1: they need some kind of eyes in the woods, and

631
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: so they ran a lot of summer trail cameras near

632
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: those edges. And then if I remember right, one of

633
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: the key things they talked about was using scrapes even

634
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: in the summer as a key location to get those

635
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: summer pictures because, as we talked about, a lot, while

636
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: deer might not necessarily scuff up the dirt on those

637
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: scrapes like they do during the fall, they still visit

638
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: them all through the year and they hit those licking branches,

639
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: they're sniffing them, they're leaving scent. Those are still a destination.

640
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: So I've seen the same thing with my summer cameras

641
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: in agg Country, and I think it's maybe a disproportionate

642
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: importance in the big Woods. What about you, Tony, given

643
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: your experience up there. Well, first off, I would just say,

644
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: like I personally think that focusing on Big Woods bucks

645
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: is the hardest thing out there as far as my

646
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: white experience is no joke, you know, I mean you

647
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: and I talked about this a little bit yesterday. With

648
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: the deer density problem of just like keeping your head

649
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: in the game, that's a big There's there's a psychological

650
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: aspect of this is tough to overcome. But you know,

651
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: bo Bo knows what he's talking about. And you know,

652
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: you think about a scrape in the big woods, that's

653
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: that's a communication device for those deer. They're not gonna

654
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: establish a community scrape somewhere where there's only one deer

655
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: passing through every three weeks. And so you really start

656
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: to see this, like this concentration of dear idea play

657
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: out in everywhere you scout. It's easy to find in Iowa.

658
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: It's not as easy to find that concentration in the

659
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: big Woods, but it exists, and so it is a

660
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: sign thing and you know, you like the the question

661
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: was like little to no egg, Like, there's a big

662
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: difference there. If there's one egg field to work with

663
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: within a couple of miles where you're hunting, like inventory

664
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: is pretty easy to take. If you have no egg,

665
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: then yeah, you've got to get into that soft edge situation.

666
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: And the one other thing that I really like about

667
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: it the big woods scouting is if it's if there's

668
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: some up and down own to the terrain, then you've

669
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: you've usually got some creeks to work with. You've usually

670
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: got some you know, funnels and pinch points that they

671
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: are gonna play in all year around. They're not just

672
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: rot you know, like not just rot spots. They're just

673
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: like point A to B spots. You know, even if

674
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: the movement seems a little more random, which I kind

675
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: of think it is in you know, it could probably

676
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: be tied to a browse situation, might be tied to

677
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: the predator prevalence. But there are there are aspects of

678
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: deer hunting that are just universal, they're just ubiquitous. They're

679
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: just harder to find in the big woods and harder

680
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: to stick to because you've got a low density big

681
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: like it just kind of like an elky type of

682
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: situation to deal with. It's just harder pinned out. Yeah,

683
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: it's uh, like we're saying it's it's one of those

684
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: weird scenarios where it's really tricky but also seems really

685
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: appealing to try to tackle that challenge, you know. I mean,

686
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: we I've I've talked about that that on my Idaho area.

687
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: How I'm torn between hunting the big woods mountains butt

688
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: mountain bucks where I might see zero to two dear

689
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: day but would be really awesome to figure when it

690
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: was out, or I could go hunt some river bottom

691
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: stuff and deal with a bunch of other people but

692
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: see tons and tons of deer. Yeah, I mean I

693
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: think that it's it's so easy to default to what

694
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: you're comfortable with, and so we just we go like,

695
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: you know, kind of back to the food source thing.

696
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: Like it's easy to go sit of like it doesn't

697
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: take a lot of mental horse power to be like

698
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: I should sit on the edge of this field. It's

699
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: hard to get comfortable in low density bigwood situations because

700
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: it's just like the second guessing that the self doubt

701
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: comes in all the time, but the more experience you

702
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: spend there, and you know, like the more time you

703
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: dedicated scouting, you do see those those spots where you're like,

704
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: this is this is a place that has promise throughout

705
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: the season. Ah scouting and pressuring deer. We had a

706
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: question here from Deer Dreaming. He says, where's the proper

707
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: balance between scouting and over pressuring a property? And this

708
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: is I think a different question depending on the time

709
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: of the year. But we're talking summer right now, so

710
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: let's talk summer. How do we worry about scouting the

711
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: summer versus pressure in those deer in the summer. I'll

712
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: lead off here a little bit and say that I

713
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: am certainly less concerned about it in the summer then

714
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: I would be at other times of the year. So

715
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: I will go and do some obtrusive things in the

716
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: summer that I know we're going to impact deer today

717
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: and maybe over the next couple of weeks, but I

718
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: don't care as much because I'm not hunting for three

719
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: or four months. But I will tell you that I

720
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: do those obtrusive things early in the summer and not late,

721
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: so in June I might be going in there and

722
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: messing around in a betting area to get that one

723
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: tree prepped. But in late August, I'm staying the hell

724
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: out basically for me in my private land spots, I

725
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: look at August thirty one as the last day I

726
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: will do anything on those properties and then leave at

727
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: least a full month of leaving them on touch. Now,

728
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: these are farms, I know, so I don't need to

729
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: do last minute scouting or checking. I can observe them

730
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: from afar that kind of thing. Sorry, I worry about

731
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: summer impacts, you know, in that range of September. But

732
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: July early August, I'll go work on a tree stand,

733
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: i will finish a food plot, I'll move trial cameras.

734
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: But I will tell you when it comes to cameras

735
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: in scouting in the summer, I used to be the

736
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: very overeager trail camera user in the summer where I

737
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 1: was just so excited to see what bucks are here,

738
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: and I want to go and like remember the first

739
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: cameras I put up, you know, three days later, I

740
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: gotta go check them, gotta see what's there. And then

741
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: very quickly you realize that when you're in there doing

742
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: that so often, you're you're educating this deer. So now

743
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: I I'll set cameras in the summer and I won't

744
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: come back for at least a month, because you know,

745
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: every time you visit that does negative negatively impact your

746
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: chances of those especially mature bucks that we're looking forward

747
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: to come in there and visit that location. So if

748
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: you want to get pictures to learn about the deer

749
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: that are there to get inventory, leave him alone. That

750
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: is a clear impact of how you could overpressure those deer.

751
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: It might not impact your ability to kill him in November,

752
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: but it will impact your ability to get more pictures

753
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: of them and in the summer. That's that's something I

754
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: do like to get. So so that's that's a little

755
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: bit of what I think about in the summer, don't

756
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: I kind of take a different approach. Now, well, let

757
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: me put it this way. If you have a spot

758
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: where you don't you have the ability to sit back

759
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: and let it, let it simmer for a while, you

760
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: should do that, Like there's no reason to put unnecessary

761
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: pressure on there. But I've just seen, like traveling to

762
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of different states hunt in public land, Like

763
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: how often you know when you show up you've done

764
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: your e scouting, but you've never seen it in person.

765
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: You gotta just burn through there. Maybe you're carrying a

766
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: stand or you're gonna go saddle up, but you're you're

767
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: scouting first to find a place to hunt. And I've

768
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: walked into so many spots where I've just looked around

769
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: and been like, man, they're the sign is here, and

770
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: you know, you're like, okay, this is the treatment. Oh no,

771
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: that one doesn't work, and you're walking around and you're

772
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: you're leaving a mark, you know, but you go you

773
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: sit it that night or you come back the next morning.

774
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: And those deer come through there. And I always think,

775
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: like I think they can tolerate a lot of pressure,

776
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: like a lot more than we think. It's just that

777
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: this balance of like don't take that as an excuse

778
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: to just be cavalier and just go in there, like

779
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: have a plan and you know what what's the reward?

780
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: Like what do you what are you hoping to learn?

781
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: Like is this going to happen or not? You know,

782
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: don't just go in, like you said, like checking the cameras. Sure,

783
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: it's fun, but do you need to check them everythree

784
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: dn't know, Like you know, you don't need to do

785
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: that stuff, But if there's something to learn or like

786
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: you just have to because of whatever is coming up

787
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: in the season, I say, just get in there. Uh either,

788
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: when do you guys add anything else? Messing up during

789
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 1: the summer doesn't concern me a whole lot. Like There'll

790
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: be instances where I go as far as if I'm

791
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: setting a trail camera in a very vegetated area, I'll

792
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: carry like an electric weed eater in with me. Rather

793
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: than picking up sticks again slivers and bushwhacking like that,

794
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: I'll take a weed eater with me. I don't care

795
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: if I'm doing that in June. But if I'm hunting

796
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: state like South Dakota has a September one opener, it's

797
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: it's I think it's import and mark to have sort

798
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: of those deadlines, Like July thirty one is the last

799
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: time that I'm gonna sort of mess around in here.

800
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: But if I'm hunting a state like Illinois that has

801
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: like an October one archery opener, then you can screw

802
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: around until like mid August, late August. So I think

803
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: having those deadlines in mind is is like a good

804
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: thing to sort of give yourself. Yeah, and I think

805
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: all and sorry, Hey I jumped down jumped on you there.

806
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna add that a lot of this also

807
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: can depend a little bit and be different a little

808
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: bit based on where you're hunting, right, Like, what these

809
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: deer tolerate differs by location. We've seen this a thousand times,

810
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: don't it. We're an Iowa together a couple months ago

811
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, the deer here are going

812
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: to tolerate a wildly different amount of activity than what

813
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: they will deal with back in Pennsylvania or Michigan. Um.

814
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's sometimes like you're hunting different species close

815
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: to it, um. So you gotta kind of know your zone,

816
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: know where you're at, and adjust accordingly. And the only

817
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: way to figure those differences out is to travel different places,

818
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: feel it out, learn how these deer operate differently, um,

819
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: and then adjust strategy based on Okay, what's my dear

820
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: craziness factor here? How crazy are there they are? Next? Shells?

821
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: Are they chilling out like they're listening to Bob Marley

822
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: and just hanging They're rolling like Hayden. I feel like

823
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: you would be a very easy deer to kill, Hayden

824
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: if you were. Yeah, I just get the vibe like

825
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: he would roll through kind of heading the clouds, jamming

826
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: to some music. You gotta dip in his left food

827
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: and girls. Yeah yeah, And I just don't think you'd

828
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: be ready for me. I don't think I need Deer

829
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: is ready for you, Mark Kenya. The one thing I

830
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: want to add is, uh, particularly in the as it

831
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: gets to like midsummer, I try and centralize all my

832
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: pressure in kind of like hits, Like I like to

833
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: go in there, cut the lanes, hang the stands, uh,

834
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: set up the cams in like one or two days

835
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: if I can, and then just get out. And then

836
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: towards the end of the summer, I start relying a

837
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: lot on cellular cameras because that is just I mean,

838
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: if you can afford them, it's just such a great

839
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: low impact way to be to like scratch that itch

840
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: where you're not going back in and checking all these cameras. Particularly,

841
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: like I said, in the smaller properties that I tend

842
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: to hunt, you know that it's been a really good

843
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: because you'll have landowners coming in taking walks with their

844
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: dog and like blowing everything out. I also like to

845
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: try and time it so if there's like if I

846
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: know it's gonna rain, a whole bunch the next week,

847
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: and we're respecting storms. I try and get in there

848
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: before the storm so that big disruption and all that,

849
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: all that precipitation comes down and minimize a little bit

850
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: of the impact. One property that I hunt in Pennsylvania

851
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: has a crazy party every year where like two hundred

852
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: folks descending camp on this property, and I try and

853
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: get everything done right before that because these deer know

854
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 1: that this place gets kind of blown out every year,

855
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: and it makes the impact of what I did less contextually.

856
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: I think that's super super smart and something I think about. Two.

857
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: I'd much rather like, if you know there's a ship

858
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: storm that's about to happen, blend into that storm, even

859
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: even in season. I think about that. So for example, um,

860
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: when harvest is happening. So if you've got a property

861
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: it's being harvested, and you've got five farmers in their

862
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: trucks rolling around combines, going all over people getting out

863
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: and yelling at each other. If I know there's gonna

864
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: be this couple of days of chaos and there's nothing

865
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: I can do about it, it's happening. No matter what,

866
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a bunch of jump done and blend

867
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: into that, get a little extra scouting and check some

868
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: cameras that maybe I was afraid to go to. Otherwise,

869
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: if I had to move something, today's the day to

870
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: do it. Uh, take advantage of those disturbances. And you

871
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: know that's happened no matter what, So your little extra

872
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: is not gonna make much of a difference. Take advantage

873
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,959
Speaker 1: of that. I think dear see enough that they get

874
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: less suspicious of big events like that, and they get

875
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: more suspicious of what they perceive is like a lingering presence,

876
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: kind of like coming and going throughout the span of

877
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: like months. Like that's an astute observation. Here a couple

878
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: of things that plug before we move on. And this

879
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: is sort of something we've we've danced around talking about this.

880
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: Mark just recently wrote an article for the media dot

881
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 1: com called the Fool's Gold of Deer Scouting that talks

882
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: about how summer scouting can sometimes do you more harm

883
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: than good or be a waste of time. And then

884
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: when we talked about the big Woods um that article

885
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: that I referenced with Ball Martinic and Dylan Tramp was

886
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: called how to Hunt White Tails in Big Woods, which

887
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: we published last fall two good things that we give

888
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: youn more information than what we discovered. I love it

889
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: when you do that, Spencer, I'll do it throughout very subtle,

890
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: isn't he? I love it. I love it. Uh So

891
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: we got a question from chelupa Batman Best Name of

892
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: the Day, and it's it's about this very topic you

893
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: bring up, Spencer. He says, he lives up in northeast Michigan,

894
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: and he asks, when doing your summer scouting, how does

895
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: that impact where you put your stands or blinds knowing

896
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: that fall patterns may change and that you're scouting afterwards

897
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: you're what's he trying to say? And it's not quite

898
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: written too clearly? And after you're scouting do you stay

899
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: off the prob I see? So he says, how does

900
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: your summer scouting impact where you put your stands knowing

901
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: that the fall ranges and patterns will probably be different?

902
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: And then after you're done with your summer scouting do

903
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: you stay off completely to not make pressure those deer?

904
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: So we kind of answered the second part basically, at

905
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: least from my perspective, I try to make sure I

906
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: do nothing more after the end of August in Michigan,

907
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: where he's at. UM. But to his first question, how

908
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: does my summer scouting impact where I play stands for

909
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: the fall? So we we've kind of talked around this,

910
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: We've alluded to various parts of it, but I'll just

911
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: say explicitly, in Michigan, where we have an October one opener,

912
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: summer scouting is not influencing where I hang my trail

913
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: cameras or my tree stands, other than something like what

914
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: Tony said, which is if I see a bunch of

915
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: new tree stands up in the summer, or if there's

916
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: a neighbor who all of a sudden as trail cameras

917
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: all over my edge and I can see it all,

918
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: that would influence me. If if I get like a

919
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: human insight during the summer, that will influence where I'm

920
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: gonna hunt and push me away from that possibly. Um.

921
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: But the stuff that's going to impact where I placed

922
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: my cameras is going to be intel that I gained

923
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: either in the spring scouting, when I can see sign

924
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: from the previous fall, or from if I'm in an

925
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: area that I know from his from historical observations where

926
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: a deer travels on July one. In my mind in

927
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: Michigan is not going to be tied almost at all

928
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: to how they're going to operate on October one November four.

929
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: That might be a little bit like understanding that, yes,

930
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: there's a cornfield here, Understand that yes there's a soybean here,

931
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: and and and know that at some point in October

932
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: and November that will use those things. Understanding the basic habitat, terrain,

933
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: all those types of things that will be there no

934
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: matter what, that still matters. But I'm just not gonna

935
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: be wedded to Well, this big buck showed up three

936
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: nights in a row on October one, second, and third,

937
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna set up in that corner he popped

938
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: out on. No, I'm not buying into that, but I

939
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: do want to know, like, Okay, this is where a

940
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: food sources, and maybe there's a food source that right

941
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: now I'm scouting in the summer. Maybe there's tree with

942
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: some acorns loaded down. They're not feeding on those in August,

943
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: but I can see them in August and I can say,

944
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: all right, I know those are here. Now this tree

945
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: is producing, these other trees aren't producing. I know that

946
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: in October that tree is gonna be dropping acorns. I

947
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: can key in on that. So that's the kind of

948
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: summer skying that I'm going to pay attention to. Um

949
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: I think. I think one of the most underrated parts

950
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: of summer scouting is that a lot of the things

951
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: that make a spot appealing to deer in August, he

952
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: is also going to be appealing to them in December

953
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: or January. So a lot of my best setups for

954
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 1: like September one that are sort of hunting a food

955
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,959
Speaker 1: source and there's water nearby and they have good cover

956
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: are also things that deer are going to be looking

957
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: for December. So a lot of my setups look the

958
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: same in early season in late season. And so I

959
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: think even if you're in a state like Michigan that

960
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: has an opener in October, that doesn't really do you

961
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: any good know what the deer doing in August, it

962
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: might tune you into what they're gonna be doing, uh

963
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: around like Christmas. So you're saying from a food source perspective,

964
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: food source perspective, good cover, whether they're trying to get

965
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: away from hot weather or cold weather, and then just

966
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: having good water there. The water in July is going

967
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: to be limiting, like it will be in December. Interesting.

968
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: I would say, the one thing that I would tell

969
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: you from my experience at least in the Midwest where

970
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: I'm at, that's very different, is weird. And this isn't

971
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: a rule, but oftentimes I'm seeing and experiencing bucks betting

972
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: in very different places in the summer versus later in

973
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: the fall. Because in the summer, where they've got two

974
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: different things going on. Number One, they're dealing with warm

975
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: temperatures and a lot of bugs, and so it seems

976
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: like you're bigger bucks are going to be moving more

977
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: towards like big open canopy places with lots of shade,

978
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: but they want some wind, they want to get away

979
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: from bugs maybe a little bit. And they've got these

980
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: big velvet antlers that are very tender and fragile and so.

981
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: And I can't stash sat and watch hundreds of hours

982
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: of bucks operating the summer. So I'm sure there's deer

983
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: to do the opposite of what I'm gonna tell you,

984
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: But it seems like if bucks were getting into the nasty,

985
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: gnarly thick ship that they bet in in November, if

986
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: they were doing that in July, they'd be tearing up

987
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: the velvet on their antlers and having all sorts of

988
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: different antler injuries and deformities and stuff all the time.

989
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: I think they avoid the thickest, nastiest, gnarliest stuff at

990
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: least a little bit more in the summer than they

991
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: do in the fall. So if if, like so many times,

992
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: the bucks that I see in the summer that come

993
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: out to the bean fields, they're coming out of the

994
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: big open stuff come out to these bean fields, and

995
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: they will come from a totally different place in October

996
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: and November because now they're relocating to the nastiest, gnarliest,

997
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: scratchiest cover and there's a lot more leaf cover in

998
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: the summer than there is in November, so that those

999
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: things all shift. Um, So that's one that's one thing

1000
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: to think about. Yeah, I would I would say you

1001
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: kind of have to look at this when we talk about,

1002
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, summer scouting and how it try inslates to

1003
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: where you're gonna hang your stands, where you should hang

1004
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: your stands, where you should hunt. What are you talking about?

1005
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: Are you talking about a trail camera on the field edge?

1006
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: Are you talking about long range glassing, or are you're

1007
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: talking about getting in there and looking at trails, looking

1008
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: at tracks, because there's a lot of difference. And so yeah,

1009
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: that that field edge movement you watch in the summer,

1010
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't mean much chief you have an October

1011
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: one opener. But the creek crossing, you know, four yards

1012
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: back in the woods, that's probably a season long deer

1013
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,959
Speaker 1: travel row. And where the thing that matters the most.

1014
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: Like we talk about food, and we talk about a

1015
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: lot of different stuff, but sometimes it just boils down

1016
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: to where deer like to walk. And if they like

1017
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: to walk, you know, through this gate or this fence,

1018
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: to go over this fence crossing at this spot in June,

1019
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: deer will probably do that in October, you know, if

1020
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: they crossed the river here because it's the shallowest spot

1021
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: for four d yards in each direction. You know, like

1022
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: that's that's actionable. So if you're you know, it depends

1023
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: how you're thinking about it and how you're scouting. Like

1024
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: the word is kind of scouting right now is to

1025
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: go in and walk around through everything and get into

1026
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: the nettles and the ticks and the mosquitoes. But some

1027
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: of the most actionable intel you find is a pounded

1028
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: trail or that fence crossing and so you have to

1029
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: just think about what are you're looking for and what

1030
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: like how much weight does that carry in a couple

1031
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: of months. I think that's the key is when you're scouting,

1032
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: and this is something any time of the year I

1033
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: think is very helpful. But and this is something I've

1034
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: preached for so long, so it's probably annoying, but always

1035
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: ask why don't just see a thing and be like, oh, yeah,

1036
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: all right, there's a pounded trail here. Check this is

1037
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: where on a hunt if you see a pound of

1038
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: trail on July four or whatever. Okay, there's the pound

1039
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: of trail. Now ask why why is that happening? Now?

1040
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: Is this happening now? First off, is this fresh? Okay? Yes,

1041
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: it's fresh. Okay, why is this happening right now? And

1042
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: then think through Okay, well, let me think this trail's

1043
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: move coming from that area and it's going to this field.

1044
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: And okay, that field is a green alfalfa field. Okay,

1045
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: they're feeding there, so that would make sense why they're pounded.

1046
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: And then I'm gonna think, okay, so when's my opener.

1047
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: My opener September? Is that alf offa field typically getting

1048
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: fed on in the middle of September. Well, yeah, I've

1049
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: I've seen some deer feeding that still in September. Okay,

1050
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: this is something that they're doing now, and they're probably

1051
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: still going to do it in September because I know

1052
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: that that's why this pound of trail is here. Check. Now,

1053
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: this is something that's actionable for me in a hunting perspective,

1054
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: But there might be other scenarios where you'll find something

1055
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: and you say, so, why is this happening? You know

1056
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: it's because of this one thing. It's because my neighbor

1057
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: puts out a bunch of salt lakes all summer. So

1058
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: that's why there's this pound of trail here. And I

1059
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: know though it's Iowa that I'm in and they have

1060
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: to remove all those things before hunting season, that's not

1061
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: going to be here during the hunting season. Blah blah blah.

1062
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: Now they'll probably still visit it, but um but you

1063
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: know maybe then that's obviously not going to factor in

1064
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: your hunting. So just look at sign, look at what

1065
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: deer doing, and ask why are they doing it? Try

1066
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: to think that through, and you're not always going to

1067
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: have the answers to those questions, but that little thought

1068
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: exercise can help. Next question, Um, let's see here. What's

1069
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: your opinion This is from de Boers. What's your opinion

1070
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: on why deer shed their velvet when they do. I've

1071
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: noticed one area sere hard horned, but for miles to

1072
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: the north, probably only ten percent, where I'm very perplexed

1073
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: by such a stark difference. Well, I mean, I think

1074
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: we can all answer this question like the science from it. Spencer,

1075
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: you feel like you want to jump on this. Yeah,

1076
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: So photo period is number one factor, similar to when

1077
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: we talk about the rut, Like the number one factor

1078
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: when the road is gonna occur is the amount of

1079
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: day length. Same thing with shedding velvet. Now what could

1080
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: change that? And and what sometimes does or what people

1081
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: notice is an extreme stressor and I want to like

1082
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: stress the word extreme be is the people that have

1083
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: talked about this before observed it. They don't mean like

1084
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: a drought of like ten days. They mean a drought

1085
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: of like all summer or something like that, or a

1086
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: really long extended period of heat around the time that

1087
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: they're becoming hardhorn So it's it's not even really an opinion,

1088
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: like that's just sort of the answer. There we go,

1089
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: Do we needed more than that now. Mr Bowers or

1090
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: Mrs Bowers or whoever this is also had another question

1091
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: on the front that I got to ask Spencer about

1092
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 1: because it's Dakota specific. Uh, and Tony, you can speak

1093
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: to us because you spend a lot of time the Dakotas.

1094
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: What are the main crops that deer like to eat

1095
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: in the Dakotas? Besides he wrote besides deer and soybeans,

1096
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: but I think he meant corn and soybeans. Uh, So

1097
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: what are they eating here besides corn and soybeans? And

1098
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: do they really eat wheat? Anything? They'll they'll eat any

1099
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: like big egg. And as far as the question goes,

1100
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: is like do they eat wheat? Wheat is a preferred

1101
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: food choice for them. They love wheat, but there there

1102
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: can be a difference in from one type of wheat

1103
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: to the next, specifically with ants. National Deal Association has

1104
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: talked about this before. Ons are those like long, stiff,

1105
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: hair like structures on the end of the wheat where

1106
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: the seeds are. If the type of wheat that you're

1107
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: hunting around has these ons, it's much less preferred than

1108
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: a type of wheat that does not have the ons.

1109
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: So on is bad, no ons good. It's also been

1110
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: my experience that how old the wheat is will impact

1111
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: how preferential it is. Have you seen that, like gied

1112
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: to what he's saying, Yeah, I think I think deer

1113
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: will eat it like from the time it comes out

1114
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: of the ground till like the day before it gets harvested.

1115
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 1: So I think we's sort of a preferred food source

1116
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: year long. Anything else you add, Tony, Uh, yeah, I mean,

1117
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: you know, cereal grains. When you're dealing with those, the

1118
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: pressure the better, the younger the better. But also when

1119
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: you're starting to deal with like North to Quota white tails,

1120
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: you might be dealing with the only egg around. It

1121
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: depends where you in the state, right you know, if

1122
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: you're out west where I like to hunt, there might

1123
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: be one field, you know, And so even if it

1124
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: was maybe not, it wouldn't be as high of a

1125
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: priority for the deer because they have more options in

1126
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: eastern North Dakota. If you get out where they have

1127
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: fewer options, pretty easy play to make, which is similar

1128
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: to the scenario described the Big Woods. Same thing, right,

1129
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: if it's a limited resource, it's the only ice cream

1130
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: truck in town there right now? All right, let's move

1131
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: on to some other stuff. Uh, have any of you

1132
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: guys backpack hunted for white tails? No, I've come off

1133
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: with close. Yeah I have not either, but I've wanted to.

1134
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: Someone asked if backpack camping to hunt is actually doable.

1135
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: Obviously it's doable because a lot of people do it

1136
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: for other big game, and I've done it for other

1137
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: big game. Uh, so totally could be done. This guy

1138
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: a girl wants to hike into a North Carol line

1139
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: of park and camp overnight to head over to hunt

1140
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: public lands nearby. But beyond stashing gear, I'm wondering if

1141
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: it's actually something that can be done as far as

1142
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: scent controls concerned. And my take on this is, yeah,

1143
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: go for it. Um, you know we've done something very similar.

1144
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: I know most of us have done this car camping

1145
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: and hiking in and taking in a heavy backpack and

1146
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: hunting deep in public land and getting stinky and sweaty

1147
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: and hot, and you just run with it. Sent control

1148
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: becomes a you know, not a reality you can really

1149
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: play off of when you're doing that kind of hunt.

1150
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: And people still kill deer that way. We've all killed

1151
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: deer that way. So my take is that really play

1152
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: the wind damn well, do your very best with the

1153
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: wind and know that you're not going to be perfect.

1154
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: And the reason why scent control is a thing for

1155
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: a lot of white tail hunters is because different than

1156
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: a lot of Western hunters who do backpack in, we

1157
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,479
Speaker 1: can control the scenarios more often. And you're never gonna

1158
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: go oncent fulham right. I'm just My take has always

1159
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: been minimal, minimized the variables that are in your control

1160
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: as much as possible. So if I can reduce myself

1161
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: profile a little bit, I'm not gonna win all the time,

1162
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: but I might get away just a little bit more.

1163
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: And every one of those little bit more does help.

1164
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: When you're backpack hunting or you're camping out of your

1165
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: truck hunting public land, embrace the stink, play the wind

1166
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: like a savant um. I will tell you that sometimes

1167
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: I still spray down. I don't know if it does

1168
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: anything at that point, but it makes me feel slightly better,

1169
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: and it kind of feels good spraying yourself down with

1170
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: like a water sprayer on like a hot September day

1171
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 1: when you're heading in. And then every couple of days

1172
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: I usually dumped some water over my head and just

1173
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: take like a hillbilly shower behind the truck, if anything,

1174
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: to feel better and to get the very worst of

1175
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: the stink offf you. Um. And then you know, I

1176
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: have had some scenarios where I brought like an ozone

1177
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: bag and ran my clothes through that, and that maybe

1178
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: helps a little bit too. Again, it's not going to

1179
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: count for all the smell on me still, but I'll

1180
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: do that. I'll leave my clothes hanging out on a branch,

1181
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: that type of deal. All of this maybe helps two percent,

1182
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: three percent, four percent. UM. I don't get too concerned, though,

1183
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: what's the scenario where you almost did this? Till me?

1184
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm some really big national grass land situations. So I

1185
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: found I found some bucks in North Dakota one time

1186
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: that we're way far away from the road, and so

1187
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 1: I thought about just packing in with a bivvy pack

1188
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: and one stand and just sleeping with them, just to

1189
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: just to make the logistics of the whole thing easier.

1190
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: And I just ended up not part part of the

1191
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: reason I didn't do it is because when I was

1192
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: planning to do it, the year that I came out

1193
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,479
Speaker 1: there where I'm like, I'm gonna this is probably gonna

1194
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: be it. They had built some oil well roads that

1195
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: made access way easier, so it changed the entire dynamic

1196
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: of the situation changed. But it's always been in the

1197
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: back of my mind that that's what that would be

1198
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: a really cool way to do it, Like it's totally doable,

1199
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: and you know, like to kind of piggyback on what

1200
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: Mark said there, I would say, it's almost relieving to

1201
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: go on a hunt where you know you have no

1202
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: control over sent is it. It's it's just it's not

1203
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: like you you have nothing you can do. So we

1204
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: we hunt so many of these early openers for Velvet

1205
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: I tals and you're in a tent and we have

1206
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: a days where it's like it doesn't get below eighty

1207
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: at night, and so you're just a disgusting person like

1208
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: you have nothing you can do, and so you just go, Okay,

1209
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: that's that's out of my hands. I'm gonna play the wind.

1210
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt. I'm gonna do everything I can to

1211
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: hunt the way I want to hunt, and play this wind,

1212
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: and just know they get down wind of me, their

1213
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: heads are gonna explode because there it's going to be

1214
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: disgusting and just own it and try to play around

1215
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: it all right. Um, the meanderthal great name asks, what

1216
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: are your tactics for hunting open country with little tree

1217
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: cover in deep ravines? Hunting in eastern Colorado? And the

1218
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: old bucks lounge, feed and sleep in the deep ravines

1219
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: and they seldom leave. They've stumped me two years in

1220
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: a row by leaving the cut randomly at all hours

1221
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: of day and night and reappearing in a different spot

1222
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: each day. So this is the kind of thing you

1223
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: could experience in eastern Colorado for white tails. I've seen

1224
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: this in Nebraska. I've seen this in the Dakotas. Um,

1225
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: I've seen this in Montana. I've seen this in Idaho.

1226
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: I know that YouTube at least have seen this in

1227
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: similar state. Spencer and uh Tony, I don't know, Hay.

1228
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: And if you've hunted the western white tails yet, have you? No?

1229
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: Not too much so in that kind of open country

1230
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: and this could even apply to you. Know, there's somewhat

1231
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: similar stuff in Kansas. There's somewhat similar stuff in parts

1232
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma. I mean a lot of open country white

1233
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: tail stuff we can talk about here. Uh, if we

1234
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: had to have a metaphorical arm wrestling match between Spencer

1235
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: and Tony and who's better at killing open country white tails?

1236
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: Who would win? I'll give you a bad answer, any

1237
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: good answer here? The bad answer is pick up a rifle.

1238
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna go. Like the margin for air.

1239
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: When you don't have to be fifteen yards away and

1240
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: you can be three yards away, makes it a hell

1241
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 1: of a lot easier to kill an open country buck.

1242
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: So that's my bad answer. And I've killed a lot

1243
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,959
Speaker 1: of open country bucks with a rival, so I would

1244
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: say I'm a better open country gun hunter than Tony.

1245
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: But no question, Okay, what's the good answer is? We

1246
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: publish an articles on the Mediator dot com written by

1247
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: Tony Peterson called how to kill a white tail Buck

1248
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: in CRP. It may not be the perfect um solution

1249
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: to what this hunter in eastern Colorado is dealing with,

1250
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be very similar. So I would encourage

1251
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: anybody who is struggling with open country white tails to

1252
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: go to the Mediator dot com and check out that article.

1253
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: So that scenario, this is, this is like so common

1254
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: for white tail hunters, right, Like he's he's focusing on

1255
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: or this person is focusing on kind of like what

1256
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: what's working against him? Right, Like, okay, this is hard

1257
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: that there's a randomness to this. They're showing up wherever

1258
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: they're they're staying low, and it's like that's all the

1259
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: things that are working against you. But what do you

1260
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: have when you hunt open country expense? You know this

1261
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: first topic, you have some things working for you. You

1262
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: have visibility right that you can probably pay more attention

1263
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: long range glass those deer better than almost any other scenario.

1264
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: You know, Like you take somebody like down in the

1265
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: southeast and they're like, oh my god, I'd love to

1266
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: see dear once no other than like being right on

1267
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: top of them. So you have that when you have

1268
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: those ravines there, that's a tough scenario. It just is

1269
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: get in and get out. It's usually tight. But those

1270
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: deer that I've seen, they can they almost give themselves

1271
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: away browsing a lot of times. So you know, you

1272
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: usually think an open country you're gonna find them betted,

1273
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: and you might, you know, but you also see them

1274
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: kind of concentrate on these food sources too in these areas,

1275
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: and so that's that's like a smaller advantage than the

1276
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: visibility thing. But the other advantage i'd say focus on

1277
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: is those ravines, funnel movement, like they go up and

1278
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: down them, there's certain places where they cross, like you

1279
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: can find trails really etched into that stuff. That that

1280
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: kind of terrain a lot of times. And then you

1281
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: got to find the ambush point, like how do you

1282
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 1: you know you do gilly up and get in there.

1283
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: That that's the hard part, but at least you can

1284
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: usually pin down even if it seems random, like Okay,

1285
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm following this buck today and he's a mile away,

1286
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: but then two days later you see another buck take

1287
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: the same road, Like there's not as much randomness maybe

1288
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: there as it seems like. And so it's just trying

1289
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: to like use that observation to your advantage and then

1290
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: pin down where you can you can catch them slipping.

1291
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: So one other idea to think about, and we kind

1292
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: of did this on a Nebraska hunt I had a

1293
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: few years ago, is to your point, you do have

1294
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: visibility in your favor, but many of these open country

1295
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: type terrains they've got some role to them. They've got cuts,

1296
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: they've got ravines, there's ups and downs. So while it's

1297
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: open country, there's also a lot of hidden country within it,

1298
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: so take advantage of that. One idea here is is

1299
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: don't get tied to anyone place. Played on the ground,

1300
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: watch for what the random movement of the day of

1301
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: the day is, and then make a move on him.

1302
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: Almost hunt these deer like you might hunt pronghorn on

1303
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: the ground with a bow, see them, and then drop

1304
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: into a cut, moving and try to get ahead of them.

1305
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of opportunity in places to

1306
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: do that type of thing. I'm imagining the type of

1307
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: habitat he's in with some of these ravines and coolies

1308
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: and stuff in eastern Colorado, and I bet you that

1309
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: could work really well. I think this is definitely less

1310
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: over the last five years with some of the media

1311
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: coming out, We're seeing the ground hunting can work for

1312
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: white tails, So I think it's much less taboo than

1313
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: it was a decade ago. But still I think there's

1314
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: a lot of us, especially those of us that live

1315
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: further east, that are really tied to our trees, and

1316
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: in certain situations, there's no reason to believe it can't

1317
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: work until you trap, and this might be one of

1318
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: those worth trying. What's next, Hiden, You got any question here?

1319
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: You really like, Yeah I do. Uh. Josh Arms says,

1320
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: I have one thousand dollars to spend on some quality

1321
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: gear for deer season. What should I get thousand dollars

1322
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: for gear? What should I get? I mean, Okay, we're

1323
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: we're contractually oligated to say you can't work for the

1324
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: company that first Lets a part of and not say

1325
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: you should check out some first Let which is great stuff.

1326
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: You should check o out. But let's say something other

1327
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: than the company that we work for. Uh, what would

1328
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: be something that would be really impactful for a thousand dollars?

1329
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: I will I'll let you guys think about it. I'll

1330
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: tell you one of the things that for me has

1331
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: made the most difference. This is no partnership related. This

1332
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: is just like the thing that I love has and

1333
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: I've talked about many many times. There's no surprise for anybody.

1334
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: But if I look at anything that's impacted my hunting

1335
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: more over the last five years, it's been getting a

1336
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: damn good, easy portable set of sticks and a saddle

1337
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: Like for me, that's changed my game. It's it's allowed

1338
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: me to hunt public lands so much more easily. It's

1339
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: allowed me to become much more flexible and versatile and

1340
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: hunting my private land spots. I love it. I'm done

1341
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: with permanent sets. I'm now all about moving from different locations.

1342
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: You know, being adaptable and having a set of equipment

1343
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: that is really quiet, is really lightweight and simple to use,

1344
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, has made a big, big difference for me.

1345
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: So for me personally, that means that I've I've been

1346
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: using timber Ninja sticks the last year that I fell

1347
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: in love with. There's these new tethered ones that I'm

1348
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: trying out this year that seemed pretty darn nice too.

1349
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: And then I love my tethered saddle, the phantom Um.

1350
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: That's my favorite piece right now of anything I'm using

1351
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: anyone else. This This won't take up his whole thousand

1352
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: dollar budget, but nothing can like ruin a hunt quicker

1353
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: than like sore feet or wet feet or cold feet.

1354
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: We don't know the situation that Josh is hunting in,

1355
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: but if he's primarily gonna be hunting um in like

1356
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: Wisconsin starting during the rut, then I would really encourage

1357
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: him to like get some good quality warm boots and

1358
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: some good quality warm socks. And now there's a lot

1359
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: of different companies that make like these booties that you

1360
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: can slide over your boots when you're at your tree stand,

1361
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: or if he's out west in Idaho and he's gonna

1362
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: be hiking a lot um just some shoe day he's

1363
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: gonna be comfortable in and that are broken in quickly,

1364
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: or shoes they're gonna keep his feet dry if he's

1365
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: crossing a lot of water. I think that's just like

1366
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: a really important underrated part of any haunting and white

1367
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: tail hunting specifically. Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't mention um

1368
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: the acorn cruncher or that grunt tube. That grunt tube

1369
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: you like that like hangs down to the tree or something. Yeah,

1370
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: what are your favorite gimmicks? The ground grunters If you're

1371
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: not familiar, it's like a twenty five ft tube that

1372
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: runs from your tree stand down to the ground. Uh,

1373
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: to make it sound like the deer is grunting at

1374
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: eye level rather than up a tree. That could make

1375
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: or break a calling sequence. Yeah, honestly, now that that's

1376
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: things out of production, you might be able to buy

1377
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: one of those for a thousand dollars on eBay. Hayden,

1378
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: you got an idea there, Yeah, I mean I would

1379
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: say one of the most revolutory things in my own

1380
01:08:55,960 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: hunting is number one, you gotta spend so much time

1381
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: you can't kill him if you're not there, right, And

1382
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: like that's like kind of the my number one philosophy

1383
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: and white Dale hunting. Again, like hunting small tracks, I

1384
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of spots to like move around to,

1385
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: so a lot of time it's important for me to

1386
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 1: set up in a creek bottom or travel corridor where

1387
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: I can just sit there and be on them and

1388
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: stay on them all day. I realized that I had

1389
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: never had a hunt really ruined by uh, you know,

1390
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: shooting a mid range bow. I realized that I had

1391
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: never really had a hunt busted by some you know,

1392
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: ground grunt to burn a corn country that I didn't have.

1393
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: What I did have a lot of hunts ruined by

1394
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: was getting down at two o'clock in uh, in the

1395
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: middle of like a November afternoon, or like maybe not

1396
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: two o'clock, but like noon and in November afternoon because

1397
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: I just wasn't comfortable. So I started investing more in

1398
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: my comfort, which meant higher quality clothing so I could

1399
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: sit for longer periods of time and not feel uncomfortable

1400
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: and not just have that little like voice in the

1401
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: back of your head being like, oh man, it would

1402
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: be really good to go get a sandwich right now

1403
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: and hang out inside and warm up. I can come

1404
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 1: back a couple of hours later, and you know, I

1405
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: could probably grease back up into that tree and be okay.

1406
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,839
Speaker 1: I started killing a lot more and a lot bigger,

1407
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,759
Speaker 1: dear when I invested in my own comfort through clothing.

1408
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: The darn good sales pitch, I'm on it it is.

1409
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: Don't do you think he has any favorite clothing company?

1410
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: I bet he does. We'll let everyone assume I can't

1411
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 1: believe Spencer didn't just jump in there. If you go

1412
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: to the mediator dot com, Um, you guys stole all

1413
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: my good stuff. But I will say one thing that

1414
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: I've really well, there's two things, and I'm just gonna

1415
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: throw this out there and I'm gonna leave it, and

1416
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna move on to what I really want

1417
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,799
Speaker 1: to talk about. Uh, if you're gonna invest I'm assuming

1418
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: this this is a bowl hunter here. Maybe not, but

1419
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: it don't buy cheap broadheads. The carvet, a little bit

1420
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: of that carve, a little bit of that thousand dollars

1421
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: and by some quality broadheads. Uh. The thing that I've

1422
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: come to love this kind of this kind of plays

1423
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: off what you talked about. It kind of plays off

1424
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: what Hayden said is, uh, packs, man, Like I never

1425
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,839
Speaker 1: you know, when I was growing up, we just grabbed

1426
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: a backpack right like we were like the kids leaving

1427
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: first grade recess, Like I just had whatever on my

1428
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: back and starting to hunt out west and really paying

1429
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 1: attention to what your backpack means. It's it's it's changes

1430
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: your whole worldview on that. And you know what it's

1431
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: like you carry a bunch of camera gear out there,

1432
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: and you know if you're carrying in sticks in a

1433
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: stand or just your sticks or whatever, or the all

1434
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: day sit and you're thinking, like, man, I I'm a

1435
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: coffee addict, Like I'd like to have two things of

1436
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 1: coffee here, dude, I'm like, but I hope so people, dude,

1437
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: White people who are listening to this are probably like,

1438
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: I wonder who's the bigger addict, Hayden or Tony like

1439
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: throwing all these little hits like oh, we're micro dosing.

1440
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: We're listening to Bob Marley, Like, no, I if I'm

1441
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: gonna sit all day. Yeah, I will have coffee. I

1442
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: can't help it. It's the it's my drug, a choice, man.

1443
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: And just just having the stuff there that I need

1444
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 1: to sit all day, and maybe some different layers of

1445
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: clothing depending on what's going to happen, and just just

1446
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:34,719
Speaker 1: having your entire day's worth of stuff just secure, easy

1447
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: to carry if you're going in a long ways and

1448
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: then that pack situation so often for me, where I'm

1449
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: hunting turns into my game recovery vehicle, you know. So

1450
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 1: it's like, you know how that is where a lot

1451
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: of people think about, like I don't want to hunt

1452
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: down there because I don't want to get it dear. Oh,

1453
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: Like if you if you have the means to piece

1454
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: them out and carry them out and you and you

1455
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: have the pack to do it, you don't think about it.

1456
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about it, but it doesn't it's

1457
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: not a hindrance anymore. And so that's kind of been

1458
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: like going more of a western route with my packs

1459
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: has kind of changed how I look at white till hunting.

1460
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 1: And that's you know, it's kind of situationally specific. If

1461
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: I was walking out the back door to hunt three

1462
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: yards from my house would be a different deal. You know. Yeah,

1463
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: good tangentially, Uh, A good pack and quality clothing arguably

1464
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: saved my dad's life. He fell out of a tree

1465
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: stand from like twenty feet up and had a good

1466
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: pack full of extra layers with him, landed on his back,

1467
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: ended up breaking his back. He can walk, He's okay now. Uh.

1468
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: In fact, we just did an archery I'll hunt this

1469
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: last this last year. You know, the dude sixty seven

1470
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 1: and bulletproof, but fell down and the only thing that

1471
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: saved him was landing on these It's Pennsylvania, so we

1472
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: got kind of some glacial boulders and stuff like that

1473
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: in the air that we hunt in northeastern Pennsylvania, and

1474
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: uh bounced right off that. I mean he still had

1475
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: to crawl all a half mile back to like his

1476
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: car to go get help and ended up I think

1477
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 1: getting an ambulance ride all the way down from Northeastern

1478
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania to Penn Hospital in Philadelphia. But the yeah, it

1479
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: was pretty wild. But um, you know, another benefits to

1480
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 1: be made for extra layers. Hayden has a lot of

1481
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: people in his life in like full body cast his

1482
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: rodeo clown girlfriend. Oh yeah, another thing that's snagging to

1483
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: eat up this guy's thousand dollar budget. Um, and I

1484
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: think it's criminally underpriced. Is an on X subscription, It's

1485
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: it's only thirty dollars for a single state, Like I

1486
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 1: I would literally pay two dollars for it because South

1487
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,839
Speaker 1: Dakota was like sort of one of the last states

1488
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: to get added. So as of five years ago, when

1489
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: I was hunting in South Dakota, the alternative it was

1490
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: me hauling around a stack of plot books that I

1491
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: would then have to like second reference on Google Earth,

1492
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 1: and then I'd still end up knocking on the wrong

1493
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: door or not being able to find the person's tax

1494
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: address to to track down the right phone number. Um. So,

1495
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: whether you're like just hunting a singular property in Iowa

1496
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: or you're hunting a lot of public land in West Virginia, like,

1497
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 1: it's good for anybody, and it's like almost hard to

1498
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: fathom not having it at this point. Yeah, I agree.

1499
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 1: And this has got a thousand bucks by the full

1500
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: the full country for a hundred. So then you can travel,

1501
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,719
Speaker 1: you can dream, you can scout all those future hunts.

1502
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time doing that. Just you

1503
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,799
Speaker 1: know what I'm intrigued by that spot in Ohio. Click Ohio,

1504
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: pop that one on. I can see everything I need

1505
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: to see. I mean, it's a lot better way to

1506
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: spend or even and then watching some ship on HBO

1507
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: or something. You know. All right, two final questions. Then

1508
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 1: we gotta wrap this up. For new public land hunters,

1509
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: how should they approach conflicts on public land? We've all

1510
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: heard the stories about new hunters that run into people

1511
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: who have hunted the same spot for years and claim

1512
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: it as their spot, and things get host Still, it's

1513
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: gonna be very discouraging to a new hunter. What can

1514
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: be done to dissolve the situation and improve the quality

1515
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: of hunting? This comes from Zach Wortz, who's had a

1516
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: bad public land experience like that? Raise your hand? So

1517
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: four out of four of us, um who's had the

1518
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: worst experience like that? Has anyone had a firearm or

1519
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:25,799
Speaker 1: bowl uh menaced at them? Has anyone felt your life threatened?

1520
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: I have a buddy who down in Florida was forced

1521
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: off a turkey hunting until this year. I took him

1522
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: out for his first turkey hunt in quite some time.

1523
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: He got up on somebody somebody's spot on public land,

1524
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: the dude came in, informed him that he was on

1525
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: his spot, and then escorted him off his spot at gunpoint. No, unreal, Ah,

1526
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: I've not had anything that negative fortunately, Uh Tony Man,

1527
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: you just have run ins, right, Like, I mean, it's

1528
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: just that that's scary, you know. I mean, that's time

1529
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 1: to call the sheriff and and get that that dude

1530
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: needs to go, Like that's criminal. Um, It's just it's

1531
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: just a matter of, you know, treat people well. And

1532
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: I just in the encounters I've had, even with people

1533
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: who are just like trying to own a spot or

1534
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: something like that, I usually just try to find somewhere else,

1535
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I've had I've had people try

1536
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: to you know. And I think Spencer, you might have

1537
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: a connection to South Dakota. Did you mention that you

1538
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: where I have had some situations and you and I

1539
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: were talking about this a little bit yesterday with with

1540
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: people in South Dakota who I think we're guiding on

1541
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: public land and they were trying to kind of like

1542
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: bully us off, and I'm just like, if I suspect

1543
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: something like that, I'm just going back. I'm calling the CEO.

1544
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't know. You might want to dig

1545
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: into this this guy sucks and he's he's taking this

1546
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: stuff way too far, you know. But most interactions are

1547
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: just you just bumping into somebody and it sucks because

1548
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, just dicks in my spot and he's like,

1549
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: oh God, this guy sucks, he's in my spot. That's

1550
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 1: just that's just how it works. Yeah. I think those

1551
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 1: things are usually fine. Like you said, each one of

1552
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: you out go your own way and be friendly and

1553
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: try to go about your own thing. I think that's

1554
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: how most go. So to anyone listening, I would say,

1555
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: don't be terrified away from public land because of the

1556
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: one bad story heard. Uh. Most of the time, it's

1557
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,799
Speaker 1: not like that. Uh. To your point, Tony, my approach

1558
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: has always been be kind, treating the way you'd like

1559
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: to be treated, and then go find somewhere else. I

1560
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: just don't want to deal with people if I don't

1561
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: have to, so I'd rather avoid them. And this this

1562
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: is like a very privileged, uh suggestion of my I

1563
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: in because of the job I have and because I

1564
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: don't have any kids to take care of anything like that.

1565
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 1: But hunting weekdays are just so much better than hunting weekends,

1566
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: when you're hunting like a shared permission place or public land.

1567
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:53,719
Speaker 1: I know it's helped me kill more deer in turkeys,

1568
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: being able to be in the woods like Tuesday through

1569
01:18:55,960 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: Thursday rather than Friday through Sunday. Um. And I understand

1570
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: that everybody has like the benefit of of doing that,

1571
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: but when you can, it's it's just a much better experience.

1572
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna avoid these situations a lot more. Very good idea,

1573
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: very good point. Last question, this comes from ACU Sick

1574
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:26,799
Speaker 1: maybe or a cusic like John cus Cusack Cusack, something

1575
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: like that. My question, his question, Her question says, my

1576
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 1: question comes from the mindset of someone who's first archery

1577
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: season was last year. I spent a lot of time

1578
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,759
Speaker 1: absorbing content over the last two years trying to scout,

1579
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 1: understand betting areas, travel routes, and access all important stuff.

1580
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: My question is, if you had a new archery hunter,

1581
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,759
Speaker 1: but someone who's who's had experienced hunting in the woods,

1582
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: what one, two, or maybe three things would you tell

1583
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: that person to really focus on and absorb. There's a

1584
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: lot to learn, and I'm really just trying to find

1585
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: out where to start. Great question, and there's a lot

1586
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: of new hunters out there today, and there's a ton

1587
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,440
Speaker 1: of advice on what to do. There's eighteen thousand podcasts,

1588
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 1: YouTube series, articles, books, magazines all telling you do this,

1589
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: do this, do this, do this. That can be overwhelming. UM.

1590
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 1: So let's each have one idea for a new hunter

1591
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 1: how to make sense of this wild world of new

1592
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: white tail information which is telling you to do all

1593
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: sorts of different things, sometimes contradicting things, UM, Spencer Go.

1594
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: One of the things that I struggled with when I

1595
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,759
Speaker 1: first started both hunting UM, and it was my fault,

1596
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,759
Speaker 1: but it was also sort of because of the content

1597
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: that I was consuming, was that I did not get

1598
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: aggressive enough when I was haunting. And I think this

1599
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: has been a huge transition in like the last decade

1600
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to white tail media. A decade ago,

1601
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: a lot of what you would see on TV or

1602
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: YouTube or reading magazines was sort of centered around like

1603
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: these manicured properties that are really well managed in the Midwest.

1604
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: The reality is most people aren't hunting that way, and

1605
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 1: so they have the ability to not pressure a deer,

1606
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: not get close to a deer's bed. All the way

1607
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: until November five, when it cold front rolls through and

1608
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: I sort of applied that to my own hunting for

1609
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: the first couple of years, and then I realized that

1610
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 1: it was it was a mistake on my end. I

1611
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: needed to be more aggressive. I only have so many opportunities,

1612
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: so many weekends to be in the woods, um that

1613
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: I couldn't afford to just like sit on the edge

1614
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: of this timber or sit on the edge of this

1615
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: bean field all season until November one got here. And

1616
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: I think, like I said, it's been sort of a

1617
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 1: shift in white tail media with more people like Tony

1618
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: Peterson that have a platform, more people like the hunting

1619
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: public that are really aggressive. I'm not saying that's the

1620
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: answer in every scenario that you need to like go

1621
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: busting into beds and try to do this bump and

1622
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: dump thing and get in gilli suits and try to

1623
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: reap deer, but it's like it's something in the middle there.

1624
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: And I think, if if you're only consuming one of

1625
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: those things, the manicured ultra unpressured thing or the high

1626
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: pressured thing, you're probably gonna make some mistakes. And I

1627
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 1: I fell in the camp of I was not near

1628
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: aggressive enough for my first couple of years of haunting

1629
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: and it probably costs me some opportunities that dear, yeah,

1630
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: absolutely on that one. What do you got tony Um?

1631
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: I would just piggyback on what what Spence said there

1632
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:35,879
Speaker 1: and and say that the benefit to the modern hunting

1633
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: the amount of content we have now is that you

1634
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 1: can curate the kind of content that is more, you know,

1635
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: closely relatable to your your own situation. And I would

1636
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 1: use that as much as you can. But I would

1637
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 1: also say don't ever let anything you read or here

1638
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: or somebody else say influence whether you're gonna go into

1639
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 1: the woods or not. Like when you're when you're starting out,

1640
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: you have access to all these amazing people who have

1641
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: done a lot of good stuff out there there there,

1642
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: they learn that stuff through experience, so you can kind

1643
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 1: of jump start that. You can, you can, you can

1644
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: get a little ahead with it, but really to get good,

1645
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: you gotta get in there. You just you gotta go.

1646
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: You gotta make those mistakes. And you know, kind of

1647
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 1: Dispenser's point, like if you're going in and you're kind

1648
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: of you're kind of leaning one way, you're being real cautious,

1649
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm not gonna pressure I'm not gonna

1650
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: do it and it's not working, you're not enjoying it,

1651
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: or you're not having those those encounters that you think

1652
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 1: that it might be time to switch things up a

1653
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: little bit, get a little bit more aggressive, or try

1654
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: something different and just learn out there. Yeah, you you

1655
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,600
Speaker 1: stole my two ideas. Uh so thanks for that. What

1656
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: I would say is that to your point, don't ever

1657
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: let this whole idea of being selective when you hunt

1658
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: or where you hunt, or if you go in the

1659
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 1: woods or not. Don't ever let that keep you from

1660
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 1: gaining that experience. The number one way to learn when

1661
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 1: you're new is just being out there in the woods.

1662
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 1: You have to just so while you might hear me

1663
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 1: preach sometimes, you know, fewer smarter hunts is better than

1664
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 1: a whole lot of dumb hunts. I'd rather have a

1665
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 1: whole lot of dumb hunts when I'm brand new. So

1666
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 1: while maybe I'm going to go out on a i

1667
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: might only hunt four times on a particular property because

1668
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 1: i know the right times to hunt, and I'm gonna

1669
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: observe and I'm gonna be careful on a strike. You know,

1670
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 1: you hear sometimes talk about surgical strike type hunting. We

1671
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: wait for the right moment, and you know when the

1672
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: right moment is, and you go in and you can

1673
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 1: kill him in a couple of sits. That's great for

1674
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 1: someone who has a lot of experience. That's a very

1675
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 1: bad idea to try to do if you were brand new,

1676
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: Do not be surgical. Take the shotgun approach. When you're

1677
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: brand new, go out there and hunt a bunch, hunt dumb,

1678
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: do crazy things. Just see what happens. So consume all

1679
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: this media if you want, but don't get married to

1680
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: anyone type or anyone person. It's okay to be polygamous

1681
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 1: when you're an early deer hunter, right right, I say

1682
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: that right, polygamy in the deer hunting world. And by

1683
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 1: that I mean by that I mean try different things.

1684
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:04,640
Speaker 1: So take the approach of like sitting and being conservative.

1685
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: You're laughing too much, Tony knocking off my game here,

1686
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: Just go ahead. What I'm trying to say is, try

1687
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 1: the Spencer new Heart approach one day. Try the Tony

1688
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: Peterson approach one day. Listen to what Zack Farrenboss says.

1689
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: Try that one day. Go out and do what you

1690
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: heard Adam Hayes talk about in the podcast try that

1691
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: one time, Try all these different things. You don't need

1692
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: to get stuck on anyone, and and then ask why,

1693
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: like what happened and why you tried this thing that

1694
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: did not work? Why not? What did I learned? How

1695
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 1: did the dear react? What did I find in this area?

1696
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: Try this other thing that worked really well? Why did

1697
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: that work well in this situation? Why did that deer

1698
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: do what he did? Why was my setup right in

1699
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: this case? But two days ago when I tried that

1700
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: other thing, why didn't that work? Try these things and

1701
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 1: then reflect on it, Think about what happened and what

1702
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 1: might have been behind that. That's how you get better.

1703
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: You don't get better by listening to ten thou podcasts

1704
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,600
Speaker 1: and never trying anything. You don't get better listening to

1705
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: ten thousand podcasts and only doing the one thing because

1706
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 1: you think this guy is the best, and then you

1707
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 1: just stick to that one thing, even though it's completely

1708
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 1: relevant to where you hunt or what you do. So

1709
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 1: try a lot, learn, adjust, and have low standards when

1710
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,719
Speaker 1: it comes to shooting deer. When you're getting started, don't

1711
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: feel like you need to hold out for some kind

1712
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 1: of old deer or quote unquote big deer or whatever.

1713
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 1: When you're getting started, and even if you're doing this forever,

1714
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 1: if you have if you get a kick out of

1715
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 1: shooting a spike, do it. But if you're brand new,

1716
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 1: do not feel pressure to wait for a buck or

1717
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: to wait for anything. One of the biggest things, one

1718
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 1: of my greatest regrets as a young hunter, was that

1719
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 1: for some reason, I thought my first deer had to

1720
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: be a buck, and I hunted in a place where

1721
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: I saw very few bucks. With the first fifteen years

1722
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: of my hunting experience, my first fifteen years hunting that

1723
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: I can remember. So some of that was sitting with

1724
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 1: my dad, some of that was sitting by myself. I

1725
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: think I saw three bucks in fifteen years, right. I

1726
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: hunt it up in the big woods in northern Michigan,

1727
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: and you'd be ucky if for the whole season you

1728
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: saw five deer. And so I'd see does. But I

1729
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna shoot a dough. And then I started bow

1730
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: hunting on my own in southern Michigan. I had three

1731
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: acres to hunt, and I had all sorts of shot

1732
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: of dos, but nope, I gotta shoot a buck. I

1733
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 1: gotta shoot a buck. I gottahoot a buck. And so

1734
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: I finally got a shot at a nice big buck

1735
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,799
Speaker 1: actually coming out, and I've never done this thing before,

1736
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: so I couldn't handle the moment of truth. I knocked

1737
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: the arrow off the rest and the big deer runs away.

1738
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: Then I finally get a shot in another buck. I've

1739
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: never done this before. I could have shot fifty doughs

1740
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 1: over the course of the last ten years, but never

1741
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: done this before. So I freaked out, and I shoot

1742
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 1: a tree. You know, if I had been shooting doughs

1743
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 1: from the time I could have, I would have gotten

1744
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: through a lot more. I would have learned a lot

1745
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 1: more about how to handle those final moments, and that

1746
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: would have helped me grow tremendously in those early years

1747
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: of my hunting experience. So I would just tell you

1748
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: experienced the whole thing. Don't put any kind of arbitrary

1749
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 1: boundaries on what you can or should do just because

1750
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: someone else doesn't. Go out there, have a good time,

1751
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 1: try a lot of new stuff learned, and enjoy the learning,

1752
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 1: the outcome, the end outcome. As much as I know

1753
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 1: we all want to get the thing. We want to

1754
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: put a tag on a deer. That's what we're trying

1755
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: to do remember that the real joy and the fun

1756
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 1: and the thing is the process. If I just gave

1757
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: you a dead deer, that would mean nothing to you

1758
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 1: compared to having months and months or years of work

1759
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: into it. So don't ever forget to enjoy that process. Hey,

1760
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:29,759
Speaker 1: I think you gotta wrap us up. Ah. I agree

1761
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 1: with all the mentality stuff, and I think that those

1762
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: are all like super excellent points. Deer hunting is the

1763
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: mentality you approach it with, right. I'm going to offer

1764
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,759
Speaker 1: a little bit of tactical kind of advice, and that's

1765
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 1: I see so many new hunters get hung up on,

1766
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, spraying themselves down with like send control, or

1767
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: like covering themselves with like fox p or or like

1768
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 1: or like all these things, all of which can be

1769
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 1: good to a certain extent. I would say my one

1770
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 1: piece of advice for a new hunter is to gain

1771
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: a really intimate understanding of the wind in relation to

1772
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 1: where you're hunting and how you're hunting. Once I realized that, yeah, sure,

1773
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 1: every now and again, like a deer would come by

1774
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 1: and I'd be about to line up for the shot.

1775
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: It would win me a twenty thirty yards and it

1776
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: would get out of there I realized that there were

1777
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: probably ten times as many deer that had circled around

1778
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 1: three hundred yards down from a bad set up and

1779
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: blew out before I ever even knew that they were there. Um,

1780
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 1: so really have an understanding of not only how the

1781
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,480
Speaker 1: wind works in like kind of like a straight way,

1782
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 1: but also how it's working in creek bottoms where you

1783
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 1: have that cold creek bringing the wind down, or on

1784
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 1: a hillside or a narrower vine or things like that.

1785
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 1: I would say that it's probably my best piece of

1786
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: advice for a new hunter. Good stuff. That was definitely

1787
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: another one of those things I was not doing right

1788
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: in the early years. I remember so many times, and

1789
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: I don't know why no one in my family cared

1790
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 1: about wind or thought about wind, but so many times

1791
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: I go back to the cabin and be like, man,

1792
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if the dear they spooted again. I

1793
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,639
Speaker 1: didn't move, I didn't make any noise. I don't understand

1794
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 1: what was going on, but they buggered out of there.

1795
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 1: I don't get it. And no one was like, oh

1796
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: when nope, We're just like I don't know either. We're

1797
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: kind behind the times on that. All right, Well, uh,

1798
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: This is good stuff, guys. I appreciate you taking the time. Uh, Spencer,

1799
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 1: you want to tell everyone about where they can find

1800
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: all the new wired hunt goodness again, No, you're good,

1801
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: You're really good at this. I want you to lean

1802
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: into it. You can go to the media dot com

1803
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: and somewhere on the home page you're gonna find an

1804
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 1: easy way to navigate to all the wired hunt content

1805
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 1: that's new. Or you can type in wired hunt dot

1806
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: com and that will just take you straight there. Beautiful

1807
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: new podcast, new videos, new articles, and lots more coming

1808
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 1: your way. I appreciate you follow on along being a

1809
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: part of this Wired to Hunt community. It's pretty awesome

1810
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: to see this thing is still around more than ten

1811
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: years after it started. So thanks for being a part

1812
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 1: of the ride. Thanks for joining us for this next phase,

1813
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: and uh, until next time, stay wired to hunt nice,

1814
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 1: really professionally to get my hand on my phone and

1815
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: just fumble it right into the mic, Spencer, I think

1816
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: we gotta leave that. Yeah, thanks guys,