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Speaker 1: Miller Lane. Glad you're with us, you're on this Tuesday

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Speaker 1: edition as we've got Brian brought us, Bucky Brooks, the

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Speaker 1: Great David Hellman, I'm Kyle Yeomans, and gentlemen, for the

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Speaker 1: first time, we might have a medical alert. If we

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Speaker 1: had a medical alert drop that just sent sirens going

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Speaker 1: So that's the news that has come down. Of course,

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Speaker 1: so it's about risk reward, and so you're just trying

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Speaker 1: and again, I can't fight Bucky anymore on Certain. I

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Speaker 1: So callin Dave. I'm gonna show your tricks. So when

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Speaker 1: that mysteriously can make that at four four nine round

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Speaker 1: I'll just say I'm Ryan. Just like Ryan. I tell

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Speaker 1: and I think, look, we can't scout the helmet, but

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Speaker 1: the show so far was Brian kind of perking up

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Speaker 1: bad ones. Yeah, that's the one I will take to

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm taking it to the lake House. Let's

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Speaker 1: ED issue and we're already underway. Hey, we got to

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Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty in the twenties. I'm pretty happy

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Speaker 1: in the background. What were you gonna say, Brian, I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say that our ability to answer questions, we

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Speaker 1: get seventy questions and we seem to get to one

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Speaker 1: or two score our scoring positions got it's terrible. You

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Speaker 1: You've got to tell us all to shut the hell up.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a better job of shutting up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's do this. How about that let's try

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Speaker 1: and get through as many of these questions as we

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Speaker 1: to do it, so we've got twenty minutes to get

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Speaker 1: as many questions in as possible. Start starting off with Brandon.

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Speaker 1: He says, for Brian and Bucky Dave of coourse, you

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Speaker 1: can answer this as well. But he says, how much

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Speaker 1: external networking is used with other teams to verify a

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Speaker 1: thought on a prospect? If you have good friends from

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Speaker 1: other teams, do you honestly give an opinion slash advice?

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Speaker 1: Or is there a ton of smoking mirrors between different

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Speaker 1: apartments from different organizations go for a buckie? It depends.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say departments. I think we all have scouting

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Speaker 1: buddies that we lean on, and there's certain guys that

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Speaker 1: have an expertise and positions, and so there are guys

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Speaker 1: time with an offensive lineman, I may ask, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: what do you think? Am I missing anything? Am I off?

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Speaker 1: It may not necessarily change my opinion, but I'm just

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Speaker 1: trying to get another perspective because I'm stuck, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's very very common when guys get stuck on

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Speaker 1: a player they can't really figure them out, that you

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Speaker 1: may lean onto like your personal village to kind of

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Speaker 1: help you along the way. When I was scouting, had

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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys Sammy Seal and cry Darlingson and

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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that we kind of wear a

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Speaker 1: rat pack on the road that I knew that I

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Speaker 1: could get an honest evaluation and perspective on them, and

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be one of those things where oh we're

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Speaker 1: sharing information, don't tell It's just one of those things

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Speaker 1: where you develop friendships on the road and confidence that

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Speaker 1: guys sometimes when you do have a tough time sorting

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Speaker 1: it all out. Yeah, Book, He's absolutely right. There's guys

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Speaker 1: that you do call up they feel like they might

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Speaker 1: have a better feel of a position. You really trust

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Speaker 1: them as an evaluator. I'll tell you where you do

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Speaker 1: share information. Maybe you're in a situation on a pro

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Speaker 1: day where you go hit a particular school and your

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Speaker 1: buddy scout hits another school and then you exchange those numbers.

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Speaker 1: Is what you can maybe do if you if it's

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Speaker 1: a small school, situation. Maybe you go into Tartland State

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Speaker 1: or something like that, you know, and you want to

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Speaker 1: go get that guy and you trade it with another

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Speaker 1: guy who's at another pro day. That's that's really how

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Speaker 1: you work together and make it all work. It's really

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Speaker 1: a family out there. I mean, some of the guys

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Speaker 1: you absolutely hate, but there's a lot of guys out

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Speaker 1: there you love and really have a lot of respect

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Speaker 1: for them. Yeah. I've always thought, obviously, like you work

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Speaker 1: for a team and you want that team to be successful.

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Speaker 1: But like Scout's view themselves as a team, you know,

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Speaker 1: like they're the worker bees of the NFL, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you got buddies and you want each other to succeed.

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Speaker 1: That's the experience that I've always gotten just from being

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Speaker 1: around scouts. Yeah, and from going to the combine and

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Speaker 1: having those networking events and being around guys like Bucky

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Speaker 1: and Bryant who have been a part of it. I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of the right there with you, Dave. From the outside,

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Speaker 1: looking into the scouting departments of the NFL, I could

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Speaker 1: see how that's the case. Okay, this one comes from Kofax,

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Speaker 1: and I'm actually using this because he called me mister

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Speaker 1: mean Green, So I like that at off the top,

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Speaker 1: so that's why I'm picking it. But it's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Do you think even if the Cowboys sign one or

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Speaker 1: both of the free safeties that are coming in for

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Speaker 1: visits this week, talking about de Demante Kazi or Malie Cooker,

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Speaker 1: do you think that they will still draft safety high

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Speaker 1: in this draft? Dave So, I'm just gonna take this

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Speaker 1: opportunity to be a smart ass and say I got

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Speaker 1: to see them. I got see them use a high

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Speaker 1: pick on a safety before I believe it's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: They haven't done it since like what thousand and two?

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Speaker 1: Ye or I mean, you know they did draft JJ

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Speaker 1: Wilcox in the third and twenty thirteen. But if we're

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Speaker 1: talking like a top fifty pick, I gotta see it

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Speaker 1: to believe it. But I said this on Twitter last week.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking for a silver lining to the way

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys run free agency, it's that they're not going

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Speaker 1: to do a deal that'll stop them from drafting anybody.

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Speaker 1: You know, Kean O'Neil's a one year deal all I

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Speaker 1: think the longest deal they've signed so far is like

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Speaker 1: two years, six million for Terrell bats the bashmashhop. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and if they sign one of these guys, I promise

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Speaker 1: you it'll be a one or two year prove it deal.

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Speaker 1: And so no, I mean that's not going to stop them.

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Speaker 1: I think their own biases against the safety position is

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Speaker 1: what's going to stop them. Yeah. I think the previous

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Speaker 1: regime had something against safeties. I really really do. And

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Speaker 1: so I feel like with dan Quinn, they're making an

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Speaker 1: effort to try and do is me personally, I'd like

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Speaker 1: to see him sign Hooker. Yea, let's do it. I

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Speaker 1: there's there's something there's something about that tape from back

583
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Speaker 1: in the day. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle

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Speaker 1: and he plays a full sixteen for you. It might

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Speaker 1: be tough, but I would that's that's the one. If

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Speaker 1: you're gonna go get a guy, go get him. And

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Speaker 1: then let's find a way to draft a guy. Those

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Speaker 1: are the two things I would do. Because here's what

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Speaker 1: also plays into why Malie Cooker would be the one.

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Speaker 1: Malie cook is a former first round pick. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: so sometimes a change of scenery, a different scheme can

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Speaker 1: allow him to play at that level. Yes, he has

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Speaker 1: an injury history and you have to sort through that stuff.

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Speaker 1: But if you're thinking about the position that they're feeling

595
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Speaker 1: is the ornament on top of the Christmas tree. You

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Speaker 1: want a guy who was a big time centefield about

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Speaker 1: ball hawk guys who has skills. This was a guy

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Speaker 1: coming out, like they would tell you when you go

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Speaker 1: back into his high school background, he was a dominant

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Speaker 1: basketball player, gray handout, coordination and athleticism. He's not that

601
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Speaker 1: same athlete. But if you talk Rbert Meyer raved about

602
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Speaker 1: this guy when he was coming out in terms of

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Speaker 1: just how he developed and what he could be at

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Speaker 1: the next level, I would be willing to give him

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Speaker 1: a chance to see if he can come back healthy

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Speaker 1: and man that position, because you could end up getting

607
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Speaker 1: what Dave Hillman wants, which is a top pick. You

608
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Speaker 1: just have got him at a disc gun and you

609
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Speaker 1: got a nice used car, hey, and that that is

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Speaker 1: a Cowboys hallmark under Will McClay. No, they love giving

611
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Speaker 1: second chances to big time you know, former first round

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Speaker 1: draft picks or you know, big time talented big school

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Speaker 1: guys who, whether it's character issues, whether it's injuries, have

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Speaker 1: fallen out of favor. That's if you asked me to guess,

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Speaker 1: I think I think they're I think they'll try their

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Speaker 1: hardest to sign Hooker if if they can get one

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Speaker 1: of these guys. Well, when I said this on the

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Speaker 1: fan last night, But the reason they're coming and actually

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Speaker 1: making their way to Frisco, even in the midst of

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Speaker 1: it's because they need to check the medicals and they

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Speaker 1: need to look at the physicals and try and see

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Speaker 1: between these two guys. One's more a lot more ready

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Speaker 1: to play and more ready to play sixteen games, like

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Speaker 1: Bucky said, and catch lightning in a bottle. If everything's

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Speaker 1: even between the two and everybody's good, I would still

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Speaker 1: pick Hooker. But I don't know. That's my biggest question

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Speaker 1: because if they end up signing Kazi, that means I

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Speaker 1: think that they saw something in Hooker's medicals that scared

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Speaker 1: them into doing something a little bit more long term. Now,

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Speaker 1: this next question comes from Patrick Drew on Twitter. He said,

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Speaker 1: I'm interested in terms of raiding the offensive line in

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Speaker 1: this year's class compared to last year's class, Where would

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Speaker 1: Pinney sul and rashaunse later ran compared to the four

635
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Speaker 1: top fifteen picks that the twenty twenty class had. Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: M m mmmm. Those guys last year were really really good.

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Speaker 1: They were good. Yeah it was Walter Jones to me,

638
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: M yeah, Tristan Worth's I mean was good. McKay Beckton

639
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: was a hog. The only one was the first, the

640
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: first one to come off the board was maybe the

641
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: worst out of all of them. I look at I

642
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: look at this class. I think the top three. Um,

643
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, Putney sewel Rashawn Slater, and Elijah very

644
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: Tucky in whatever order you put him in. I think

645
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: they all would be in that that conversation. I think

646
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: there is a bit of a drop off after that

647
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: when you talk about Derenshaw and Jenkins and whoever else

648
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: you want to kind of throw in that conversation. Even

649
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: though I'm hearing, um, the Notre Dame kid is flying,

650
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: I can birth like they're talking about seven offensive tackles

651
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: that can go in the first round. Wow. Wow, I

652
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: told you this. I said this about this guy. Man.

653
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 1: You were on them to me at all, you were

654
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: on the pet he was a pet cat guy. I

655
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: mean we had this conversation three weeks ago. Yeah, you

656
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: guys need to the old man, the old man Hattie.

657
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: So I mean, I mean the old man like you're

658
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: claiming pet Cats and Dard December. I mean like, I mean,

659
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: like we haven't even done the full grade in the

660
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: vun Oh man, he had the vision. I had the

661
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: vision of the player said he would like a second

662
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: or third round pick when we talked about the second round.

663
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: I have him. He's my he's my number one player

664
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: in the second round. Number one player in the second round. Okay,

665
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: he's well, I mean, if you're gonna give him the

666
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: six nine grade, you might as well give him a seven.

667
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: Oh likew he liked that big. I do. I want

668
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: one to watch him. I want to put this out

669
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: there just really quickly. Whenever I submitted the rankings for

670
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: the draft magazine, Aikenberg was a little bit further down

671
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: than I would like him to be. I've seen him

672
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: raised because I went back and watched him. No, I

673
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: went back and watched him. That was the other thing

674
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: is I saw him at the Senior Bowl and I

675
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: was not very impressed. And then I went back and

676
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: watched him a little bit more and I was a

677
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: little more impressed. So I don't know that and I'm

678
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: not taking I'm not taking a shot at Kyle, but

679
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: people to get shomped in. They're like, you know, they

680
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: see you know it happened, and that's what you know.

681
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: I love I love draft media. It's so much fun.

682
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: I love working with y'all and everybody else that's that

683
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: you know on Twitter. But you great a guy. And

684
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: then you know, around this time of year, people are

685
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: talking about him as a first round pick and you're like, oh, crap,

686
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: I guess I need to take another look. And you

687
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: go back and you're like, oh, yeah, okay, it's been

688
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: a week going back and looking at players that you

689
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: should have looked at it a different I think the

690
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: other thing with Eikenberg and like we've kind of lumped

691
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: into this scouting the helmet conversation. But here's the thing,

692
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: Notre Dame offensive lineman and their success rate. Yeah yeah,

693
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: they have done a great job of producer. And so

694
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: when you get it there and you hear a great

695
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: leader control the old line room, smart tough, has a

696
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: bunch of stars on his bilt, you then think about

697
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: the coaching and what he's been exposed to you like, yeah,

698
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: like I mean, worst case, he's just gonna be an

699
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: okay starter, but you get all of the good things.

700
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: And so that's why if you're at the bottom of

701
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: the first round and you're like, maybe they can't see

702
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: chieps you down at thirty or whatever, like you know,

703
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: I can't go wrong. Like he's not necessarily an exceptional player,

704
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: but he's pretty good, so we'll take me in the

705
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, that's the you know I was. I

706
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: was impressed by him though, and again I didn't have

707
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: the guts to put him in the first part. I

708
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: knew that he needed I knew that he needed to

709
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: be the Again, I love that Virginia Tech kid. I

710
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: really do. Not there so I mean there, I think

711
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: the one that I'm still hanging as uh Jenkins from Oklahoma. Yeah, yeah,

712
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: I mean I like, look, he's the first round player.

713
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: He's going in the first round. Just that that's worried

714
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: like sometimes, like I mean, like i'd like to see

715
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: guys move people off the one. I know in the

716
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: Big twelve no one's really doing that. I know it's

717
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: like seven on seven with the little bodies in front,

718
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: but I don't know, I kind of like to see

719
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: him move people. Yeah, No, it's a rare thing to

720
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: see people move people. Yeah, all right, this next question

721
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: and he moved to furniture. This next question comes from Tim.

722
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: He said, if you were the cowboy Boys and if

723
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: they were to package their second round pick and one

724
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: of their third round picks to get back into the

725
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: first round. One is that possible? And two? Who could

726
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: you see the Cowboys potentially targeting if that were the case.

727
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: I think the answer is definitely yes. Yeah. I mean

728
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: if a top fifty pick and then you know, regardless

729
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: of which one you use, it's another top one hundred pick,

730
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean forty four seventy five will get you to

731
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: Washington at nineteen. Wow. I would do that. If you're

732
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: telling me J. C. Horne is there, give it to me,

733
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: and then I'll already have picked to Brushawn's later at ten.

734
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know why the Cowboys, to be

735
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: honest with you, and I know this we're talking about draft.

736
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't know why the Cowboys don't use one of

737
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: those compensatory threes, fours or their five and try and

738
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: go get an established player from another team. But you know,

739
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: instead of saying, oh, we're looking at hurt safeties, go

740
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: off for a third round pick for a young, young,

741
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: real safety, a guy that's already been playing. I think

742
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: the cat plays into that though, because that's my things.

743
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: It probably does. I know I've just thrown it out

744
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: there like that. But to me, you earn those compensatory picks,

745
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: You earn those. Take him if you got to move

746
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: him to go back into this thing. Yeah, if you

747
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: take Pits at ten and you jump back in there

748
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: and grab one of those quarters, you say, you grab

749
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: Newsom or somebody like that. You know that's that's in

750
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: that spot. Heck, yes, yeah, let's go. Let's get back

751
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: in there, you know. I mean, I'm not gonna sit

752
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: there and just say, okay, let's pick at seventy five

753
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: and ninety nine. No, I'm going I'm gonna try, and

754
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and grab some of these players off

755
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: my board. Brian can't stand like letting the draft come

756
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: to him, which is weird because he admires. He admires

757
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: Baltimore so much, and that's what Baltimore does every year.

758
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: But every year Brian wants to get rid of all

759
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: of his picks. I want to move in a way.

760
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: I want to move to get better players, is what

761
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: I want to do. That's that's all I'm asking to do.

762
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 1: Baltimore is the Baltimore in like Pittsburgh, they sit there

763
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: and like, well, what's the number one need for Baltimore. Oh,

764
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: they need to tied in. They win the Super Bowl

765
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: and then they get the best tied into fall to

766
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: him at thirty two. Yeah you know, well, I mean

767
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: maybe if you aren't trying to get rid of all

768
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: your picks, you could do that too. Nah. You know what,

769
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: the cowboy, Baltimore's roster is better than your roster. You

770
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: saw the last year with your own eyes, confinitely. Yeah. Yeah,

771
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: So if I'm going to beat Baltimore, it's not going

772
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: to be sitting around waiting for me to pick somebody

773
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: at seventy five or somebody at ninety nine. It is

774
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: I honestly, I see the appeal and and what y'all

775
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: just said. You know, you can tie that to the

776
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: tackle conversation if you if you tell me, if you

777
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: tell like, let's let's just say they draft their ten

778
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: at ten, because I think that's what they would prefer

779
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: it to. Yeah, if he's there, I think he's the

780
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: I think he's the pick, and so you draft him

781
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: ten and Genberg or Tevin Jenkins is hanging around at

782
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: like twenty six package forty four and h and ninety

783
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: nine and get up there and get yourself a tackle.

784
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate that at all. I'd be in favor

785
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, I think what you have to do

786
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: to execute it, Like Brian talks about, I think you

787
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: have to have your handful of players, like you have

788
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: to have a bag of players that you would like

789
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: to get. And we do these exercises throughout the time

790
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: as it gets closer to the draft, where hey, what

791
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: does my ideal first two days look like if I

792
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: have this player, this player, and that player, how would

793
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: you field on the day or what about this combination

794
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: of players. I think you have to have a handful

795
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: of guys that you would like to identify as these

796
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: other guys that we would really like to have, and

797
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: you should have a handful of them in each round,

798
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: and if you can get in range to get those guys,

799
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: get them. I am all about the players over picks.

800
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: Like I know that a lottery tickets in any anybody

801
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: can come out of it, but I would much rather

802
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: have the play is that I want, as opposed to

803
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: just sitting there on a bunch of picks that I'm

804
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: just picking guys just to be picking them. The whole

805
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: thing called end with this real quick. You know, I

806
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: said I was going to be brief in our front.

807
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: The thing that I don't want to sit there after

808
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: day two and going into day three, which is the

809
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: scouts day. You know, the scouts day is at day three,

810
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: day two, I don't want to be looking at all

811
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: the tags that are picked and looking at someone else's

812
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: team and going, damn, they drafted better than me today,

813
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: you know. And and if somebody I always did that

814
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: with the Chargers. The Chargers were always the team that

815
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: I would look at and go, damn, they drafted better

816
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: than me today, you know. And I don't want that.

817
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: I want to be the one that says my grades

818
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: on that board, my grades on those tags are better

819
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: than anybody else's grades on those tags. You know. I

820
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: admire teams that can move around and find spots. Bucky's right,

821
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: you know, your defense is a liability. Go fix it,

822
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: you know. And if it means moving around doing some things,

823
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: go fix it. Yeah. And I think it's likely that

824
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna see the Cowboys be aggressive in that fact,

825
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: especially in Day two and day three, because you have

826
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: ten picks. You have ten picks right now, which, by

827
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: the way, salary cap wise, it's gonna a lot about

828
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: eleven million dollars. If you cut that down to eight

829
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: picks and you package a couple to go up, then

830
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: you'd have less people to pay. I mean, I know

831
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: that money is different and the allotment is different from

832
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: the different rounds, but it could play out in the

833
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: fact that, hey, instead of paying ten players, you're gonna

834
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: pay seven players, but you went up and got a

835
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: couple of top name guys and you're able to kind

836
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: of maneuver your way around. I think it's very likely

837
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and it may not be forty four and

838
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: seventy five or forty four and ninety nine. It may

839
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: be two of their fourth round picks, or it might

840
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: be two of their sixth round picks going up and

841
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: trying to go get somebody else. So I think it's

842
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: it's possible. The movement is going to be there now.

843
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: This is the We might get two more questions in

844
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: have you guys seen Jamar Johnson safety Jamar Johnson? He

845
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: is out of Indiana. Anybody watched the school, I have

846
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: not no no what was the school? Indiana? And Annamar Johnson.

847
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna skip this question. Basically, that's the homework

848
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: assignment is go watch him because apparently Lancer Lion has

849
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 1: him as the number two safety on the board. Um,

850
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: and somebody was asking us, GC was asking us. So

851
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: that's homework assignment. Yeah. Can I ask a real quick question,

852
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: what's the situation with Perkins from Oklahoma? What's what's his

853
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: what's his story? Bucky? You got something on him? Perkins day.

854
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: I just know my podcast partner Danny Jeremiah fell in

855
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: love with him and started throwing his name out, and

856
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: I know that casts some buzz until the pro day

857
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: and then he worked out and then all the bus

858
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: quiet run really fast. Um, he flashed a little bit

859
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: like he flashed a little bit of activity at I

860
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: think you have five and a half sacks and those

861
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: things like six games. Yeah, there's something, there's something that

862
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: you have to dig in on that he wanted to

863
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: try to address. I was saying the tape to me,

864
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: there's some positive things about the tape. I had not heard.

865
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: I watched him last night because i'd heard a little

866
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: the buzz you're talking about, but I do you know,

867
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: people were talking about him like a first or second

868
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: round guy. That's not the case in my opinion. But

869
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: I was just curious if there was something more that

870
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: I was missing there. But there's there's you know, we

871
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: played six games and he said, hey, I have to mature,

872
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: I have to be better. I made a mistake, and

873
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: so he's trying to be on the front end of

874
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: whatever's about to come out in the back. I just

875
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: wondered if someunthody had heard him. Yeah, something, something must

876
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: be some in the background that he's trying to get

877
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: got got you all right, Kyle, I'm sorry about Yeah,

878
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: that was a great question, and that's somebody I know.

879
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: The Cowboys have at least looked that direction at um.

880
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: Now this next question comes from Landing McBride on Twitter.

881
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: He said, what are we supposed to think of Jason Away,

882
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: the edge rusher from Penn State. I mean, we're talking

883
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: about pinn State corners. A little bit earlier on, he said,

884
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: all all of the cycle traits of a very good

885
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: pass rusher without the production, what round could he potentially

886
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: end up going in? And that's about right. He didn't

887
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: have a single sack in twenty twenty after having five

888
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: the season prior. The production just wasn't there. But I

889
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: mean he's a fun one to watch on tape. Brian, Yeah,

890
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: he is, and you know, and I mean he's he's

891
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: really got ideal size. I mean, if you talked about

892
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: those edge type players, I know, going in I had him.

893
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: He might be bigger. The measurements might have changed him

894
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: at six five two fifty five. But man, I did

895
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: see a guy that could attack the corner. I saw

896
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: a burst of the way play, the lateral agility I

897
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: thought was really really good, the change in direction. There's

898
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: some there's some problems though with this guy finding the ball.

899
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, physically everything checks off and

900
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's like WHOA ball went

901
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: buy it? Or WHOA what's he looking at? Or you know,

902
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: he's locked up with a blocker trying to get often.

903
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: You know, if you could get the Ohio State game,

904
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: that's one to watch where he said several of those

905
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: mistakes in Ohio State's got a good offensive line. But

906
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean, man, he could force turnovers. He's got the ability.

907
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: But I just wonder though, and I'm not saying the

908
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: mental but what is he really seeing as he's playing

909
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: the game, And I don't know if anybody else saw

910
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: the player the similar similar fashion to me. Bryan, I

911
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: think his biggest issue I don't know if he's played

912
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: a lot of football. I think he would late to

913
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: the party when it came to a problem that might

914
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: be they I think. I think I think he may

915
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: have only played one or two years in high school.

916
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: Um coming over, So I don't Yeah, I don't know

917
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: how much exposure he has, like Um. We did an

918
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: interview where we talked to him and he talked about

919
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, I would because the question was why should

920
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: someone view you as a first round pick this and

921
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: that when you don't have production? And his response, in

922
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: a roundabout way, he was, look, my best football is

923
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: ahead of me. I see the athleticism and all tools

924
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: that I have and putting it together in those things,

925
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: which isn't necessarily what you want to hear, but that

926
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: was his thing. He hasn't played a lot of ball,

927
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: and so what he is is a height, weight, speed dude.

928
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: He's a great athlete who has tremendous activity and not

929
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: a lot of achievement when it comes to being able

930
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: to get the quarterback to the ground, and so where

931
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: do you take a chance of that from. I'm not

932
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: comfortable taking a guy like that in the first round.

933
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: I typically would prefer my projects outside of the first round.

934
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 1: But if you're saying in the second round, we're looking

935
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: for a pass rusher, Okay, let's throw it dirt and

936
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: let's see if he can hit. Because he is going

937
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: to run like the wind, he's gonna jump like Superman

938
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: and all those other things. But now can you teach

939
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: him to put his hand in the dirt and go

940
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: make plays. I don't know if that necessarily can be taught.

941
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: I think some of that is a natural field, a

942
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: natural instinct. I don't know how much of that you

943
00:47:53,680 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: can teach a player, you know. Yeah, two thoughts? Yeah one? Sorry,

944
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: go ahead, Brian, No, No, that's it. I had him

945
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: in the second round. I thought I thought it was

946
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: really I thought it was maybe too harsh on him.

947
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: But like I didn't know all about the not playing

948
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: football very much. But I just saw a guy. Though.

949
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: When you when you don't find the ball well enough

950
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: for me, then I don't know how I could push

951
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: in the first round. That's the first thing that took me.

952
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: I cannot remember a year where I like, I don't

953
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: think I love any of the prominent edge rusher prospects

954
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: in this entie class, like which I don't remember a

955
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: year where that happened. Like there's usually at least one

956
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: guy that you're kind of juiced about, and I don't.

957
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't see it this year. Yeah, And I'll steal

958
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 1: the line right from Bucky, like, if you if you're

959
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: not producing in college, I'm terrified about gambling that you're

960
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: going to produce at a higher level. And if he's

961
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: a if he's a high ceiling developmental guy, that's awesome.

962
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say the Cowboys are Super Bowl contenders,

963
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: but this is a ter that can, you know, contend

964
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: to win the NFC East and put you in the

965
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: playoffs if you'd make some good draft picks this year.

966
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: I want safe players, like this team should be drafting

967
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: safe players. That's why, honestly, I feel great about drafting

968
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: Patrick's Ertan because he might not get you super excited,

969
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: but I think he's a safe prospect and I don't

970
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: The last thing I want to do is to spend

971
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: a big pick on a guy who's going to need

972
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: a red shirt year like this is not This ain't

973
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: the year for that for the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, so

974
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: I think, Oh, he played two years in high school.

975
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: He was a big time obviously recruit. He was number

976
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: two in New Jersey when he came out. But you know,

977
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: like when you deal with the recruiting things, a lot

978
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: of it is on potential to see someone his size,

979
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: with his athleticism and all that other stuff that makes

980
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: it I mean, that makes it easy to give those

981
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: guys a high ranking. But I am worried now. James

982
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: Franklin would say, hey, he kept he put consistent pressure

983
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: on the quarterback, and he did all those and he

984
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: was always around the ball, and you know he impacted

985
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: the game in other areas. But Dave, going to your thing,

986
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: Ozzie Knewsom. I used to sit up at the combine,

987
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: you know where those guys just sit up high in

988
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: the perch, and I would sit there and they would

989
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: dispensing knowledge, and they would always say, guys who sacked

990
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: the quarterback in college, they sacked the quarterback in the pros.

991
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: There is something about guys who can get it down

992
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: and if they can do it in multiple seasons, because

993
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: it's not just one year. Wonder if they do it

994
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: in multiple seasons where you can track their production, that

995
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: those are the guys that will do it in the pros.

996
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: And so production matters when it comes to pass rushers,

997
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: all that activity and leaping to all buildings in the

998
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: single bottle? Can I get the quarterback to the ground

999
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: and can you do it over multiple years? If you

1000
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: do that, more than likely you can do the same

1001
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: thing in the pros. I said this last week right

1002
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: as we were shining off. But I always learned something

1003
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: from these shows, and that was one thing I learned

1004
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: last year Bucky the first show we ever did in

1005
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: the hotel room in Mobile, Alabama at the Holiday Inn

1006
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, it was whenever you said, if

1007
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: you sack the quarterback in college, there's a good chance

1008
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: you could sack him in the pros. And since then,

1009
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: I've it's been locked in my brain, and that's what

1010
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 1: I thought whenever I saw a way as well as man,

1011
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: that's not there. It's not there. I like everything else,

1012
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: everything that Brian was talking about, and I still would

1013
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: take him probably in the third that's probably the sweet

1014
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: spot for him for me. But man, I can't put

1015
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: him any higher than that. If he dad zero sacks

1016
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: in a good amount of stabs. That's my biggest thing

1017
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: for Brian's going Hayman, because this is like the lazy

1018
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: coach scout analysis. Let somebody else develop him. I'm not

1019
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: in the process because by the time I get him

1020
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: to be a good player, he's going somewhere else as

1021
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: a free agent. True, yep, I hate to say it,

1022
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: but I want guys that are close to being plug

1023
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: in play, especially man. I want to be able to

1024
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: put him in the lot up and get everything. I

1025
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: don't want to spend a whole lot of time developing

1026
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: someone for somebody else. Right, and so, oh wait, maybe

1027
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: a good player, but if I'm shopping, I've I'll shop

1028
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: in another ale. Like I'm fine, I'll go another alt

1029
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: is a great athlete, but I want someone who has

1030
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: a Let's go ahead and take our second break. Another

1031
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: fantastic twitter on the twenty. Hey, we got to like

1032
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: what six questions? That's a blot more than we ever

1033
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: have I think up. That works. Well done, everybody. Let's

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Speaker 1: Is the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft Show the final

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Speaker 1: left in show and we will hit the lineup, switch ups,

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Speaker 1: the switcheroos that Derek has just rained down upon all

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Speaker 1: of us here on the Draft Show, in which we

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Speaker 1: will enact starting next week. But first, Dave, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to kind of you brought it up in our group message.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to get your thoughts on the recent signings. I

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Speaker 1: mean a lot of defensive line help coming in off

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Speaker 1: the free agency market. Of course, Kean O'Neil, you have

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Speaker 1: the couple safeties that we've already talked about that are

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Speaker 1: on their way to at least meet with the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: But do you see any of these free agents even

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Speaker 1: remotely affecting what the draft plan is for the Cowboys?

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00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: Because last year they shared up the holes could take

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Speaker 1: best player available. Haven't seen a cornerback taken yet? Is

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Speaker 1: that something that you could look at? Um? Well, they

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Speaker 1: I mean they resigned Jordan Lewis, which he's not an

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Speaker 1: outside free agent, but I do I think that's worth

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Speaker 1: noting just because and I'm not trying to sell anybody

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Speaker 1: that this is a good idea. But Jordan Lewis, Anthony Brown,

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Speaker 1: and Treyvon Diggs at least gives you a trio of

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Speaker 1: guys who have started in NFL games, you know, again,

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Speaker 1: played significant time. I said it in the last Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I said it in the last segment. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they've done anything that would preclude them from making a pick.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, these are not crazy investments, and that's

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Speaker 1: what the Cowboys love to do. They pay over their

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Speaker 1: holes with cheap signings and then they try to get

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Speaker 1: the real value in the draft. I do think the

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Speaker 1: stuff they've done along the defensive line is really interesting

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Speaker 1: because just in terms of bodies, and again, to be fair,

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Speaker 1: these are not deals like these guys don't have to

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Speaker 1: make the team, you know, haha. Clinton Dicks got cut

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Speaker 1: last year. For the amount of money they're spending, there's

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Speaker 1: no guarantee that all these guys will be on the roster.

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Speaker 1: But when you look at Brent Urban, you add that

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Speaker 1: to the duo of Tristan Hill and Neville Gallimore. Antoine

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Speaker 1: Woods got his tender, so he's likely back. It makes

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Speaker 1: me wonder what they think about this defensive tackle class

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Speaker 1: and you know, obviously, when you have ten picks, you

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Speaker 1: can use them on a lot of different guys. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they draft a guy on Day three. But we've talked

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Speaker 1: about how there aren't a lot of crazy, great d

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Speaker 1: tackles at the top of this draft. It makes me

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00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: wonder if they spend extra time adding body to that

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Speaker 1: to make sure that they don't need to draft one.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of the impression that I got. Yeah, talking

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Speaker 1: to guys around the league who do pro evaluations, we're

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Speaker 1: really high on the Urban signing. Yeah, they love that one.

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Speaker 1: That was They feel like the Cowboys hit a home

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Speaker 1: run on that one. Watkins not so much work came

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Speaker 1: out today though Florida State Pro Day. They have their

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Speaker 1: defensive line coach down there working out some of their prospects.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Wilson, Yeah, Marvin Whistical will be involved in those

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Speaker 1: mixed So keep an eye on that. If you're sending

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Speaker 1: coaches out to work guys out, you're generally trying to

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Speaker 1: get their opinion, in their idea on if they feel

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Speaker 1: like that those guys can play. So yeah, I will

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Speaker 1: McClay loves to protect himself, he does. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: going to say, Okay, I'm going to sign a guy

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Speaker 1: with the thought of, okay, I could still draft somebody.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're married to any of these guys.

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Speaker 1: But again, talking to what I call my gang of

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Speaker 1: seven guys around the league that give me information about

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00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: these play they really do like what the Cowboys did

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Speaker 1: at defensive tackle. I say with with Urban and then

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00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: Basham as well. They feel like that bash him if

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Speaker 1: he gets back to where his weight was when he

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Speaker 1: was with when he came out, you know, at two

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00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: sixty five to seventy right around there, that he might

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Speaker 1: even be a better player. But they were very complimentary

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Speaker 1: of those guys. You know, Dave, I think what you

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Speaker 1: want to always be able to do is you want

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Speaker 1: to be able to line up in play. If we

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Speaker 1: were to play a game today, can we line up

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Speaker 1: in play? So when you think about Lewis and Brown

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00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: and Digs, it gives us an opportunity to line up

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Speaker 1: in play right now now when it comes to the draft,

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Speaker 1: that won't prevent you, as you said, from drafting another player,

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00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: but at a minimum, you have a starting lineup where

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Speaker 1: you feel like you can be competitive. And so that's

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Speaker 1: why some of these things are they're the only signing

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Speaker 1: that I think might impact it. The Keyanunil thing is

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Speaker 1: interesting to me because moving him to week side linebacker,

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering what does that mean? Does that mean and

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Speaker 1: base package he's the guy that is displaced over the

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00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: slot receiver kind of being a big nickel player, and

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean when they do go to their quote unquote

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Speaker 1: nickel package, who comes out the game? Is that Jaylen

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Speaker 1: Smith off the field? Now is Keyan O'Neil LV A

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Speaker 1: nickel corner and the rest of the crew. So I'm

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Speaker 1: curious to see that because we're seeing more teams us

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Speaker 1: that will linebacker as a hybrid player, and to me,

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Speaker 1: they're seeing a lot without saying anything by saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're moving Keyan O'Neil two weeks out of linebacker. Oh

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Speaker 1: you mean hybrid? You mean he's the big nickels safety.

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Speaker 1: So now what does that mean when we put, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the real nickel package on the field. Yeah. I think

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Bucky. I think they take Jalen Smith

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Speaker 1: off the field. I think Kean O'Neil is gonna play

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00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: strong safety, you know, and you talk to people around

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Speaker 1: the league about him, though they will say really good

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Speaker 1: run defender physical, and you want him down there. Don't

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Speaker 1: want him in coverage though they even covered tight ends

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It's a liability for him. Playing

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Speaker 1: in space could be a little bit of a liability

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Speaker 1: from what I heard. So, Yeah, I think this is

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Speaker 1: going to be vanderash Neil playing down, bringing Nickel on

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Speaker 1: and then and then try and play it that way.

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Speaker 1: But I think he can early downs. I think in

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Speaker 1: early downs they're gonna keep Jalen Smith on the field. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's so he's the dimebacker. Keyan O'Neil is the dimebacker.

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Speaker 1: If he's out here in bases whatever, But exactly when

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Speaker 1: they go die, he's the dimebacker. He's coming in there

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Speaker 1: and he's he's near a line of scrimmage. Because they

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Speaker 1: want a more athletic defense. I think that's the thing

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Speaker 1: that showed up last year. More speed is needed on

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Speaker 1: to be faster and more athletic to be able to

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Speaker 1: compete and tell change of direction was a problem for

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Speaker 1: this defense last year. Yeah, we know they're not here.

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Speaker 1: They let his salary guarantee. I don't think that's a

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Speaker 1: huge surprise, but I also you know, when I hear

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Speaker 1: that Neil's gonna play a linebacker. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit simplistic, like, yeah, Jalen Smith is still gonna

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Speaker 1: play a ton of snaps. But yeah, even if even

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Speaker 1: if Keyan O'Neil's specialty is in coverage, you need better

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Speaker 1: athleticism when teams go small and fast, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's what that is. Now we are going over time,

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01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: but I did want to hit this really quickly. We

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Speaker 1: will have different lineups as of next week. Now this

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Speaker 1: is still proposed, so this can still change. But Tuesday's

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Speaker 1: show next week on The Draft Show, Brian brought us

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Speaker 1: along with the great Dane Brugler and Jeff Cavanaugh are

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Speaker 1: the three that you get. Yeah, you only do five

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Speaker 1: hours of radio with Jeff a day, Brian, you ready

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Speaker 1: to do another one on The Draft Show next week.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell you what, Man, that that crew

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Speaker 1: is gonna beat me up, Buddy, Bucky gets after me. Man,

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Speaker 1: crew is gonna he's gonna wear me out. The second

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Speaker 1: crew next Thursday will be Bucky, Dave and Kat. Sorry

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Speaker 1: to cut you off there, Bucky, Oh no, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't be Brian up and all. I like it.

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Speaker 1: It's a love fest, like I've been going hard at

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Speaker 1: Hillman for less. I was gonna say, but now, but

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Speaker 1: then I'm like, I can't even see I'm temails you

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Speaker 1: because you guys are go Tigers all the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, that's okay, that's not playing basketball anymore.

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Speaker 1: But that's all right because about that. Yeah, yeah, goodness, gracious,

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Speaker 1: neither's North Texas either, Kat Come on now, it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: whatever season, it's draft season. Now, it's hey, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: miss you guys. I'm gonna miss I'm gonna miss you guys.

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Speaker 1: Though you guys do a great job on that Thursday show.

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Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be watching. I know you guys. Will

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Speaker 1: you guys, We'll keep in touch, don't worry, please do.

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Speaker 1: We're all in a group text already, so it'll it'll

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Speaker 1: stay the same. But that's gonna do it for us

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Speaker 1: here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. I

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Speaker 1: hope you learned something here over the last hour. I

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Speaker 1: certainly did. But want to thank Chris Beam in the back,

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Speaker 1: the great Bucky Brooks Bryant brought us in David Helman

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Speaker 1: um Kyle Yelman saying so long, we'll see you Thursday

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Speaker 1: on the Draft Show. This has been a production of

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