WEBVTT - Draft Show: How Good is Pick Number 10? 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:09.760 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:13.200 room for in center news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:17.080 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:23.720 Dallas Cowboys like Ted Lamb and now your hosts Brian 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:32.720 brought us David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeomans. There 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:36.440 are one hundred and thirteen days until the NFL Draft 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.040 April twenty ninth, of twenty twenty one. It's officially twenty 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.120 twenty one, and the Draft Show rolls on into the 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:47.440 Dallas Cowboys offseason. And it's the first offseason edition of 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.839 the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Glad you're with 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.880 us everybody on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and coast to 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:57.480 coast across the world. As Bucky Brooks, Brian brought us, myself, 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:01.360 Kyle Yeomans will break down this draft David Hellman today 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.280 and Brian, I think that's why this is gonna be 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.000 our best show yet. Right. Yeah, We're just gonna go 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:10.760 ahead and hand us the Sports Emmy, the Marcody whatever 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.759 you want to do. Dave, feel free to sit at 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.080 the table while Bucky, Kyle Beam we all go up 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.360 there and get our awards. We'll put you in the 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.240 thank you speech. We'll put you in the thank you 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.520 speech for sure. Thank goodness and thank goodness, David Hellman. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.360 You were great all the way through. But hey, you're 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.440 at the table today and now we love David. He 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.720 just had more important things to do today, like interview 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.480 some guy that was nicknamed the Playmaker or whatever it 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.640 was back in the day, something like that had somebody 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:41.640 to talk to that was more important than we are. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:45.559 But guys, you look at the Cowboys season down coming 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.800 to a close, and the Cowboys have settled into that 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.400 number ten pick, and it's not number four like we 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.840 thought it might have been earlier in the year, but 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.520 it actually ends up being number ten. You're still a 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.960 top ten pick for the first time since twenty sixteen. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.080 But Bucky, how good of a spot is that for 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.360 the Cowboys whenever it comes to the number ten pick, 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.080 because they've had some they've had some success in the 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.600 top ten in the past. Yeah, you should have success 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:12.399 when you're picking in the top ten because that's really 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.679 the cream of the crop of each draft class. When 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.320 you think about the top ten and you think about 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.359 getting difference makers, game changers, and when the Cowboys have 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.239 had the opportunity to selective that they've been able to 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.680 nail it. And so this year I think it's actually 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.520 fortunate for them because I think the needs and what 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.560 is available lines up with where they're picking. In terms 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.280 of the Cowboys, what their biggest needs are and where 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.680 the talent is, I think it matches up. So now 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.720 it's just a matter of determining which players are right 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:40.680 fit for the team and where they want to go. 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.360 Right Yeah, No, I absolutely agree with Bucky because you know, 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.840 we were kind of looking at if you had to say, 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.119 a top four or five pick. You know, if you're 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.639 looking for save, defensive help, do you feel comfortable picking 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.880 it right at that spot? I think initially we said, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.919 know which you consider trading down, grabbing a pick or 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:08.000 two from somebody else? Could you go down to ten, eleven, twelve, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.239 somebody right there? I think the Cowboys are in a 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:15.440 great spot right there. You know, offensive players, defensive players. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.720 You'll have an opportunity to grab whatever direction you want 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:21.920 to go. And you know, if you still want to 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.880 potentially trade down again, I think you're in an absolute 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.040 wonderful spot there. Of course, scouts want to be as 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.280 high as you can on the board, But being in 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.600 the ten hole is not a bad thing, especially in 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.680 this draft, and I think we've talked about it before, 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.320 but really the only thing that you're messing out from 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:41.640 being maybe in the top five as to being at 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.360 ten as the options of where to go in the 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.480 draft and where you should fall and what you would 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.720 get in return and kind of the draft capital that 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.240 you can play around with there. But in terms of selecting, 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.240 this is right where you want to be. And if 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.160 you look at the Cowboys last six top ten selections, 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.640 five have made the Pro Bowl. Is Zekiel Elliott twenty sixteen. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.200 More Clayborne is the only one that did not make 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.920 the Pro Bowl Tyrren Smith in twenty eleven, Terrence Newman, 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.840 Roy Williams, and Greg Ellis. That's the last six times 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.119 the Cowboys that picked him the top ten. They've also 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.960 never selected specifically with the tenth overall pick, but the 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.359 closest times they did was when they picked ninth with 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.360 Tyrant Smith and they picked eleventh with DeMarcus Ware. So 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.120 you've had some you've had some success around in that 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.719 area in the draft, and hopefully they can continue that 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.240 a little bit, But Bucky, you brought up a point 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:29.560 in our group message this week that kind of wanted 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.120 to hit a little bit. But Mike McCarthy was asked 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.400 earlier this week about the identity of this organization and 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:39.599 the identity of the Cowboys player personnel and kind of 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.280 where they're going from here, and he kind of gave 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.760 a non answer, didn't necessarily answer the question and kind 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.200 of kept it close to the chest. But how important 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.960 is that identity, Bucky, whenever it comes to drafting these 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.599 players and evaluating who you want on your roster and 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.320 who you're going to put in certain situations, Because at 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.280 least right now, this is where the full first full 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.719 off season that Mike McCarthy's going to have in terms 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.680 of trying to get into that moment, I think it's 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.280 very important. I think it's something that should be communicated, 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:12.080 communicated at all times, not only from coach to coach 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.600 and coach to personnel staff, but players should understand exactly 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.720 what this team is about, and who the players are 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:20.560 on this team and what court traits are necessary. And 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.159 we're not talking about position specific things, just hey, I 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.279 want a smart, fast, tough, physical football team, and the 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.160 players that play on this team have to exhibit those traits. 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.520 For Mike McCarthy to not be able to articulate it. 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.240 To me, it was troubling, particularly coming off Jalen Smith's 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.800 long rambling answer about the identity of the team and 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.080 all of that stuff. I just wonder if there is 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.440 alignment from top to bottom, and that's something that maybe 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.000 Brian can speak on having worked in the building. I 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.599 just don't know how you can go forward in terms 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.479 of acquiring players if you don't have a clear identity 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:57.600 for your team and for the individual players that you 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.760 want to bring up. Yeah, that's you know, your ap right, Bucky. 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.400 And you know, let's look at the teams that are 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.720 successful throughout you know. I always like to talk about 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:11.200 the Ravens, the Steelers, you know, Kansas City. Now look 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:15.200 what Buffalo's doing. There's clear identity of what their football 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.320 team is. Tennessee's another one. I just feel like though, 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.640 you know, Mike McCarthy comes from a program in Green 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.000 Bay where the head coach didn't have a lot of 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.599 say and what was going on. If we all remember 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.920 too well, Mike McCarthy said, hey, you know, give us 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.760 the players, we'll fit the scheme to the players we have. Well, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.240 we'll see if that actually is the case, but yeah, 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.560 I think that, you know, the teams that have continuity, 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.720 I think they drafted well under Jason Garrett because they 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.640 had an idea of what kind of player they wanted. 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:48.520 And if you look at last year's draft of the 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:53.919 Cowboys coaches coming in late having to set up playbooks 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.560 and stuff like that, maybe the coaches weren't involved as 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.719 much with the Cowboys, and maybe Mike McCarthy. You know, 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.000 we'll see how much. You know, my experience of working 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.839 in the organization is the head coach carries a big 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.039 stick in that room. Whether you want to be like 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.680 Bill Parcels and beat people over the head with it, 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.840 or you want to be like Wade Phillips and Dave Campbell, 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.960 which is kind of sit back and let the scouts 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.520 do their job. So yeah, I think that they If 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:24.920 Mike McCarthy wants to be involved, he absolutely can, but 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.960 they need to understand what kind of players that these 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.920 coaches want and go forward from there. Because the outstanding 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:36.360 organizations that I mentioned, the Ravens, you know, the Chiefs, 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.200 the Steelers, they have a clear identity and a clear plan. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.120 If you had to look at the Cowboys specifically, and 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.160 Bucky will start with you on this one, but if 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:48.920 you had to look at the Cowboys, what would their 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:52.280 identity be? Because I don't know. Mike McCarthy may not 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.520 have given that non answer just based off of keeping 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.440 it close to the test. He may he may not know. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.920 He may not know what that identity is, at least 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.160 looking at as personnel. But what would you tab it 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.000 as as a team overall? You know, I don't know, 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:06.880 because it is a bit of a team in flux. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.320 Like you know, we can criticize the previous coaching staff 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.160 and Jason Garrett or whatever. But I knew when I 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.200 turned on the TV, I knew exactly what I was 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.480 watching and what I was gonna get from the Dallas Cowboys. 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.800 I knew offensively they were gonna be a mash team 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.240 that was really driven by the running back play ash 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.880 and passes, and they had a level of sophistication and 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.080 that regard in terms of the big plays. And then 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.400 on defensives gonna be a hard playing unit that would 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.080 run from sideline to sideline and chase the ball and hunt. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.040 And so when I look at this team, and because 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.240 like they kind of snickered at the notion Mike Nolan 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.200 talked about versatility and wanted to be able to do 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.000 more things and multiple than all that other stuff. I 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.680 kind of believe you have as symboled a team that's 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.679 kind of a jack of all trades, master of none. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.000 And so I don't know, And I think it's really 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.880 important that you heard the players complain about the uncertainty 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.400 and not knowing. I think it's really really important that 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.880 the team, Mike McCarthy gets a clear definition of the 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.199 identity so that everyone in the organization knows and that 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.160 everyone can act accordingly when it comes to acquired personnel 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.640 and putting in things that mass the talent that is 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.240 now in the building. Yeah, and you know, to be 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.400 honest with you, guys, you know they're in the situation 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.760 right now where there might be some changes on this 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:21.520 defensive staff. And if you change the defensive coordinator, now 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.240 do you change the identity again? You know, you talk 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:28.160 about multiple the defense. We want to be a four 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:29.640 to three, we want to be a three to four. 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.280 We want to hybrid stuff. We want to cover this way. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:36.080 You know, Bucky, you brought it up about the corner situation. Hey, 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.120 do you want guys that play off? You want to 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.959 play guys that play man? I mean, they've got to 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.079 figure those things out quickly if they're going to stick 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.880 with the current defensive staff. Okay, well, now you know 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.760 Taylor your needs that way. But if you're going to 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.839 go out and you're gonna draw this out and wait 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:55.960 and oh we need to talk to this guy and 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.400 all that and that, let's be honest, that's a little 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.360 bit of the cowboy way. Hey, let's just kind of way. 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.400 Let's see if the problem fixes itself. Let's you know 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.680 that that doesn't need you need to be proactive right now. 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.520 If you're going to lose, if you're going to lose 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:15.760 the opportunity to to have a you know, an identity 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.360 here and and not hire the right guy, then man, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:23.199 that that's just that puts you further further back in 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.640 the behind the apol. Well, and how different is it 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.160 going to be from last year to this year? Specifically, 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.440 because when Mike McCarthy was hired, it seemed as if 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.920 Will McClay was the one that kind of took the 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.520 reins and said, I'm gonna get you some guys. I'm 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.920 gonna go, we're gonna draft best player available, We're gonna 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.920 scout these guys and then you'll listen to us. Is 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:43.800 that going to shift at all? Do you think, Brian, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.040 Because I mean, now a year into things, Mike McCarthy 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.600 has a better idea maybe how he wants to build 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:53.120 that identity from a roster standpoint. And is Will McClay 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:54.840 going to have that same kind of say as he 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.560 did maybe last offseason. Yeah, I hope they do. You know, again, 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:00.920 I always and this is the selfish side of me 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.440 coming out that I do believe the scouts have a 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.520 responsibility to the team in a way of helping build 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.680 this roster and in a big way. You know, I'm 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.800 not going to call a third down defense. I'm not 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.280 going to call a goal line package. I'm not going 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.040 to do those things. You know, I'm not going to 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.280 step into the coaches area there. But let me focus 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.319 on my area. And anytime, you know, I worked in 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.040 an organization in Green Bay where Mike Homegrin said he 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.760 was back in the scouts, and you know, the scouts 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.680 are wrong sometimes, but I always feel like though they're 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.679 responsible for evaluating these players the whole entire year, and 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.040 if they have an idea where the coaches need to 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.400 get to go, well, then they can help more so 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.360 than a coach coming in. I mean, we look what 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.800 Rod Marinelli did to this team for four or five 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.520 years and the way that they the way that they 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.560 went away from players or went towards certain players. You know, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.320 you can't have that. Yes, I want coach responsibility, but 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.360 I don't want it just overeating every single thing that 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.559 I do going forward as far as building this football team. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.240 You know, Brian, I want to ask you this because 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:12.280 you talk about coaches and scouts. I wanted just from 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:17.679 an overall franchise philosophy, whether it's Jerry Jones or Stephen Jones, 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:21.000 hasn't been set down. This is a kind of team 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.800 that I want, you know. And then that way it 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.600 is easy because whoever the head of the football chain is, 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.240 they set the vision for the program. And so if 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.320 everyone understands what that is, it makes it easier for 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.800 the coaches and the scouts to understand this franchise is 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.080 about this. So when you name those franchises Baltimore, Pittsburgh, 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.120 those long time franchises where you know, if I tell you, ay, 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.400 the Pittsburgh still does a comeing town. You already know. Hey, guys, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.440 put your big boy paths on. This is the other 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.480 play and it doesn't matter who the coach is. Yeah. No, 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.200 you're absolutely right, Bucky. I think that. And that's the 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.720 problem that you have with the Cowboys, I believe is 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.440 that you know Jerry Jones as the general manager. I'd 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.960 like to believe that he has his thoughts on what 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.840 kind of team he wants, but I think he allows 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.640 a lot of it to be Hey a head coach, guy, 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.320 what do you really want? What do you envision? How 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.559 can we help you kind of thing. I'm not saying 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.160 that as a general manager you have to beat your 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.280 head coach over the head with a stick, like I 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.520 said earlier, but I feel like you have to have 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.520 ability to say, Okay, this is what my guy wants, 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.280 this is what my guy needs. When I evaluate when 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.560 I look at my football team, we really lack this. 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.160 And I think as a general manager, director player personnel, 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.600 you've got to You've got to do everything in your 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.840 power to try and bring players in that are to 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.360 your vision and try and best match what's going on 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.920 with the head coach. But in this organization. Man, there's 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:46.800 a lot of well, what do you want to do? 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.280 What do you want to do? What do you want 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.360 to do? Instead of Hey, guys, we need to look 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.880 at it this way and push forward to try and 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:58.560 make that happen. That's why these two are the elder 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.520 statesman of the Draft Show. But guess what we've got. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.120 We've got some more members of the Draft Show. And 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.640 that's the cool thing about twenty twenty is the fact 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.800 that we can just call up whoever and get them 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:10.840 to be a part of the show. So, hey, how 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.240 about that, Jeff Kavanaughs, here what I will have You know, 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.839 I was not invited, Kyle. I just heard that day 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.920 was gone, and I thought, and I thought, I thought, 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.120 you know what, you guys are gonna need somebody who's 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:25.360 incredibly reckless and irresponsible to go with Bucky and Brian. 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.720 So I volunteered and I texted everyone and I was like, hey, 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.560 let me in, let me in, and so here I am. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:39.320 What's up, guys. I kept getting text messages and it 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.000 was from Jeff and it was from Chris and it 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:42.920 was like in the middle of the show, it was like, hey, 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.400 can we get do we need a fourth do we 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:45.880 need a fourth? I felt like we were playing pick 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.040 up basketball. Y're like maybe call of duty war Zone. 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.160 I don't even know. It was just like like, hey, 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.200 do we need a fourth? Can we run with four? 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.640 Let's do it. I'm glad to have you here, Jeff 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:59.280 and Jeff, we're kind of talking about the allocation of 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.160 where the power goes in terms of building an identity. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.320 Is it the coaching staff, the scouting department at the 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.040 front office. From this Cowboys standpoint, I know you've got 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:09.960 kind of heard the last couple answers there. Do you 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.640 have an opinion on where that power is and how 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.280 it's going to kind of affect the draft going into 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.320 a Well, I guess I'm a wildcard here because I 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.520 think your identity is basically just your best players, like 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.840 to the Pittsburgh Steelers. For a long time, I remember 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.080 my favorite games to watch in the NFL were Steeler 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:27.760 raving games because I knew I was just going to 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.840 get people hitting each other in the mouth over and 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.240 over again. And it seemed like that lasted for a decade. 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:36.240 But like Pittsburgh drifted to an offensive team because that's 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.200 who their best players were, and now they kind of 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.120 got the defense going again. So I guess for me, 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.360 the identity of this team is Dak Prescott or the 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:48.360 identity of this team was that offensive line being able 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.240 to open holes and protect your quarterback. So I don't know. 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.560 I kind of struggle with things like identity because I 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.680 just think if you gathered me the best players, my 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.240 identity is going to be that I beat everybody. It's 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.680 gonna be awesome. Like you know, not necessarily, our identity 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.000 is Emmett Smith is going to carry this ball twenty 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.400 five times. Our identity is we're better than you and 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:15.760 you can't stop us. Yeah. I think from a philosophical 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.000 standpoint is Jeffrey would be if I told you a 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.120 play like a cowboy, what does that mean? Like a 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.760 swat level of being able to identify it? Like, what 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.640 does that mean? I mean, I want like a physical thing. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.720 When we talk about the Ravens, play like a raven 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.760 is hard nose, tough, physical, high instincts. They play to 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:39.080 a certain standard. I just wonder with the Cowboys, who 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.720 has said, a this is what we're about, this is 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.760 who the players must have, these trades they must have 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:46.600 when they come into the building. I'd like to think 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.000 guys would want to play like Tank Lawrence when they 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:50.960 become a Cowboy, because I think if somebody like that 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.040 could be your identity would be great. But I'll be honest. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.920 When you're thinking about the Cowboys, I consider their identity 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.560 to be linked to Jerry Jones, and I think his 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.040 identity is everybody. You know. You can build an individual 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.639 brand here. You can be incredibly popular. So if you 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.399 made me pick, like, who embodies the Cowboys identity, I 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.520 would say it's Jaalin Smith. I would say it's individual play, 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.560 individual brand, and that's the identity. And unfortunately that's one 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.320 of the hurdles you got to jump with the Cowboys. 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:17.840 I shouldn't say that right now. All right, it was 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.040 nice being with you guys today. I'll see it next time. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.359 Then he hops off and rides into the sunset. Mister captain, 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.720 trade down, everybody. No, I don't disagree with what you're 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.280 saying by any means. I really don't. And I think 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.560 that identity maybe shifted a little bit last year when 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.040 it came to thinking about the draft, because Will McClay 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.080 had a bigger say in it, and like Bucky and 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.159 Brian were kind of alluding to a little bit earlier. 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.080 It's it's a little easier whenever you have those scouts 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.879 on top of things and the coaching staff in the 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.720 front office can kind of rely on them as opposed 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.119 to maybe taking the rains themselves. Now in terms of 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.960 the draft this year and kind of where the Cowboys 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:00.080 are and of course picking tenth, Brian, you said for 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.240 the show when we were just kind of chatting, that 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.800 you wish you wish they would have been a little 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.200 bit higher just for those options. That's kind of where 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.520 it is. But is there any player or position that 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.800 the Cowboys missed out on or may not have as 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.960 good of a chance at at ten than they would 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:17.640 have if they might have lost three or for their 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.040 last for instead of winning three of their last four. Well, 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.439 we all hope, and we all hope is speaking for 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.399 Cowboy fans that in fact that you now are in 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:31.040 the window where you can sign Dak Prescott, and to me, 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:37.600 ten is a little bit of a I think outside 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.600 if the quarterback is something that you needed, I kind 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:43.399 of feel like, but you're still in position where you 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.840 could trade up if you want to. But you've got 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:49.600 so many teams that are quarterback Needy, and you know, 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.080 with the Cowboys, if you don't sign your guy along term, 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.160 that's maybe something you missed out on right there. But 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:59.640 I think overall, I'm far more comfortable now. I think 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.399 there's to be a great player on that board. Smith 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.320 from Alabama, the wide receiver, I think could be a 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.080 great player. Pits from Florida could be a great player. 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.640 I'm far more comfortable taken Farley right there at ten. 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:15.320 You know, if you wanted Parsons, if that was a guy, 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.919 there's going to be some players I believe for the 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.479 Cowboys right there at ten. I think the only thing 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.600 you missed out on being in the top at four 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.000 is if you had to legitimately go get the quarterback 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.480 because you didn't feel like that you could get your 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:32.199 guys signed long term. You know, Brian, you talk about that. 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.840 I think the bigger thing that would have happened if 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.920 you finished in the top five. You now have currency 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.800 and you change the leverage when it comes to the 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.120 negotiation with Dak Prescott. Now you can kind of put 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.360 out those smoke setting. I was like, hey, it doesn't matter, 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.439 We'll just take a quarterback and as long as like 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.160 justin fields continues to play like that. It now drives 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.160 the conversation because now you're talking about maybe four quarterbacks 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.880 going in the top five, and so the leverage changes 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:01.480 and it so it gives you out if the negotiation 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.560 doesn't go your way, you say, okay, cool, we'll just 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.439