1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: M what's creating my occult belief systems that, if you 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: scratch deep beneath the surface, are fundamentally anti Semitic and racist. 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards, the podcast 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: where we have increasingly uh long and incoherent introductions. But 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: this one does tie into the theme of the episode. 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: What it doesn't tie into is my guest today, Chris 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: crofton how are yours in there? I'm doing good. I 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: always yeah, it's okay to be eating at croissant. You 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: continue eating that croissant and I will introduce you as 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: a comedian, a musician, and an advice columnist. I hope 11 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: you finished the croissant now, yeah, I'm done. Fantastic that 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: I write an advice car called The Advice King for 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: the Nashville Scene, which is like they're oh, all weekly 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: there and uh it's kind of a comedic advice column. 15 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: But I get mad about stuff a lot, So I 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: mean this, this podcast seems like to me a good fit. 17 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: Like you guys get mad, don't you? Oh yeah, yeah, 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: we do get mad. This is gonna be There's gonna 19 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: be some anger here. There's gonna be also a lot 20 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: of confusing here, this is a weird episode to bring 21 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: you in on for your first episode of Bastards. I'm 22 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: ready for anything. This might be the weirdest one we've 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: done yet. Um, have you ever heard of a guy 24 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: named Rudolph Steiner? You know, honestly, he sounds familiar, but 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: I don't. I can't figure out why. Well, let me 26 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: ask a follow up question. Do you know anyone who 27 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: ever went to a Waldorf school? M I don't think so. 28 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: That's okay. Now he's not a huge name anymore. A 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: lot of Waldorf schools are pretty common. They're an international 30 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: chain of very progressive schools that have good reputation for 31 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: like particularly the arts. Uh. Jennifer Anniston graduated from Waldorf School. 32 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: Rutger Howard graduated from Waldorf School. So justin throw and 33 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: big Sean. Um, you know, there's there's a lot of 34 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: different people who went to Waldorf schools. And the Waldorf 35 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: School was the brainchild of Rudolf Steiner, among other things. 36 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: Now most people again haven't heard of Mr Steiner. He 37 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: also invented organic farming uh and was an influential mind 38 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: behind the development of Nazi ideology. Yeah, I was thinking 39 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: a Nazi. I mean his name is Rudolf. Yeah, he 40 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: he was not a Nazi, although weirdly enough he ties 41 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: in directly to another Nazi named Rudolf Um. It's quite 42 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: the tale. Uh yeah, Well Waldorf School. Okay, so that's 43 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: a chain of like progressive, yeah, high schools for rich people, 44 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: who I think they're just high schools, but yet chain 45 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: of progressive schools for rich people. Yeah, okay, yeah, so 46 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: that makes sense that I would not have heard of those. Yeah, 47 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: I'm from Connecticut, and well, actually know you know what, 48 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: Connecticut definitely a w Yeah, I just didn't Okay, I'm 49 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: not from I didn't have enough money to be in 50 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: that loop. But yeah, I'm sure I knew people who. 51 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure I actually grew up with a lot of 52 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: people who probably we're going to those things? Are you 53 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: know people in New Canaan, Connecticut. I'm from New Canaan, Connecticut, 54 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: which is the dude h L. Paul Bremer, the the 55 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: third dismissed the Iraqi Army once went to my my 56 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: my school. Yeah, and I know what, I know those 57 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,839 Speaker 1: kind of people. Yeah, yeah, he's Paul Bremer's the kind 58 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: of guy who would send his kid to a Waldorf school, um, 59 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: which is nothing against Actually, like I I have friends 60 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: who went to Waldorf schools. I I know so, but 61 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: somebody who teaches it one, Um, we're gonna be talking 62 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: about their origins today and some things that still go 63 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: on at some of them that are pretty dark. Um, 64 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: but a lot of them are just kind of normal 65 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: progressive e schools. So if you went to a Waldorf school, 66 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: we're not calling you a Nazi, but um, there's there's 67 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: about to be some Nazi ship up in this well 68 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: strap In. I mean I'm not I'd like to I'm 69 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: already mad at the Waldorf School for turning Justin Throw 70 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: loose on us. I mean I feel like one Rutger 71 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: howerd uh like equals out like one and a half 72 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: Justin Thorow's that's true. I mean I'm very grateful for 73 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: ungrateful for for old throw. Yeah. Yeah, so like we 74 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: we can, we can both. We have we have like 75 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: the Tears in the Rain speech from the end of 76 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: Blade Writer to thank Waldorf schools for but also Justin 77 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: Thorow and a lot of friends. So yeah, it's tough, 78 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: you know. Um, I'm gonna read a Wikipedia summary of 79 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: what a Waldorf Steiner school is just so that we 80 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: can kind of get on the same page about how 81 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: they build themselves. So this is kind of the basic 82 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: description you'll get of one from our most trustworthy, randomly 83 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: edited encyclopedia. Waldorf education, also known as Steiner education, is 84 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: based on the educational philosophy of Rudolf Steiner, the founder 85 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,239 Speaker 1: of anthroposophy. It's pedagogy strives to develop pupils intellectual, artistic, 86 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: and practical skills in an integrated and holistic manner. The 87 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: cultivation of pupil's imagination and creativity is a central focus. 88 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: So that doesn't that doesn't give you a lot of details, right. 89 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: The other than that, it's like, you know, it's focused 90 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: on developing people kids intellectual and artistic skills, which like 91 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: you'd hope any school would do. The mention of anthroposophy 92 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: um is probably the one stand out there, which have 93 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: you ever heard of anthroposophy? No? Could you say that 94 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: part again of that description where he said we're said 95 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: in anthroposophy. Yeah, it just says that he's the founder 96 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: of anthroposophy as well as, uh, the educational philosophy behind 97 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: Waldorf schools. It's unusual. Yeah, yeah, you don't run into 98 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: the phrase anthroposophy, lot, that's still the thing, is that 99 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: the thing where you judge someone's character by the shape 100 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: of their head or like lumps, lumps in their heads. Yeah, yeah, 101 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: that's phrenology, although I will say probably a lot of 102 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: anthroposafists were prenologists back in the day. They were like, 103 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: if you're sitting around feeling each other's heads and drinking, 104 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, so uh, it's none of that sounds inherently bad, 105 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: but obviously this is behind the bastards and it's going 106 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: to get terrible. So let's first delve into Rudolph Steiner's life. 107 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: Rudolf Steiner was born in eighteen sixty one in a 108 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: tiny Austrian village whose name I am about to butcher Krak. 109 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: His father is generally described as a what you don't 110 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: even know if that's wrong, Sophie, you don't know Austrian villages. No, 111 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: you probably got it right, that's the funny part. Well, 112 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: our Austrian listenership will let me know if I'm wrong. 113 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: His father is generally described as a mid level railway 114 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 1: official in the Austro Hungarian Empire, once among the world's 115 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: great powers. The Old Empire was in a state of 116 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: advanced decay for much of Rudolph's life. It was also 117 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: one of the world's major crossroads and incredibly ethnically and 118 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: culturally diverse melting pot, encompassing the Balkans, much of Eastern 119 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: Europe and the Mediterranean. His hometown is currently part of Croatia. So, like, 120 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: I guess if you're Croatian and listening, you'll know if 121 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: I've pronounced cra back wrong. He was born in c Well, 122 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: but it was Austrian at the time. Yeah, you'd get 123 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: shot for being Croatian back in those days. That's what 124 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: it's a white melting pot. Yeah, I mean they didn't 125 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: consider them all white at that point. If you were 126 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: from that far least in Europe, they were like, guy, 127 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: he's from the Balkans. Um. Italians were still earning their 128 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 1: right to be called white when he was born. Um. Yeah. 129 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: So he spent most of his childhood in Youth and Vienna, 130 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: as well as places with names like steer Mark and 131 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: bergen Land. As a young man, he showed a strong 132 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: interest in mathematics, physics, and natural history. He eventually enrolled 133 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: at age eighteen in the Technical University in Vienna, he 134 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: started attending lectures by famous philosophers of that era, one 135 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: of whom was Franz Britano. Now, Britano was the influential 136 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: mind behind a number of concepts and philosophy that I 137 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: don't find interesting, and one in which I kind of do, 138 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: the theory of perception. The key line here was perception 139 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: is misception. In short, Britanno believe that our external senses 140 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: could not tell us anything concrete about the existence of 141 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: the world, because we might just be hallucinating or whatever. 142 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: As such. All we could know for certain was our 143 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: internal perception. So if you smell a rose, you can't 144 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: know that a rose is actually in front of you, 145 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: but you can know that the scent of a rose 146 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: is in your nose. That's may seem pedantic, but it 147 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: had a big influence on Rudolf Steiner. And again, this 148 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: was the eighteen eighties, so people had nothing else to do. 149 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: M h, yeah, so speculate a lot of speculation going 150 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: on instead of the Internet, and there's a lot of 151 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: just like thinking, yeah, yeah, that's that's literally what people 152 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: had instead of the Internet, which sounds like a nightmare. 153 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: They were like, I think roses are actually a figment 154 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: of our imagination while they were like sitting around doing 155 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: nothing that was their Twitter. God. Yeah, thank god we 156 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: have the Graham Now, yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, I mean, 157 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if which, I think I know which 158 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: is worse by longshot. Actually, I think speculating about whether 159 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: roses are invisible or not as a better pastime than 160 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: playing candy crush. All right, well, yeah, that's fair, that's fair. 161 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: When Rudolph was in eighty two, a Germanist scholar named 162 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: Carl Schroer attacked him with helping to publish Girtha's works 163 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: on natural history. Now, Gartha was a freethinker who considered 164 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: himself a Christian but thought all Christian churches were more 165 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: or less nonsense. He was notably an anti nationalist, but 166 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: is also widely considered to be one of the founding 167 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: minds behind the idea of German nous. Uh As Steiner 168 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: was working through Girtha's catalog, he also grew involved in 169 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: the burgeoning Pan German movement. The German state had only 170 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: been founded about a decade earlier at the end of 171 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: the Franco p War, and a lot of people in 172 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: Central Europe with background similar to Steiner, were super excited 173 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: about this hip new concept called being German. He started 174 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: churning out articles for the Austrian Pan German press and 175 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: essentially tried to push the idea that Austria ought to 176 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: be a part of this new Germany thing. So it's 177 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: very into the idea of Germany, which I don't know 178 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: if you're aware, has been kind of a mixed bag historically. Yeah, 179 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean it was like the narrative 180 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: of of the modern world was like emerging at that time, 181 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: like along with industrialization, so it was I guess, I mean, 182 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: I'm actually I don't know what I'm talking about. Colebrew 183 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: just made me say industrialization. Yeah, it had a lot 184 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: to do with industrialization. They had like they were just 185 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: establishing the narrative of of like of like modern Yeah, anyway, 186 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: go ahead, I get. I mean, I'm just thinking about 187 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: what they're doing, Okay, Yeah, I mean one of the 188 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: things that's happening right now is they're moving past the 189 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: idea of these countries that were countries because some do 190 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: it had conquered an empire three hundred years before, and 191 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: we're moving towards this idea of countries based on ethnic groups. 192 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: So like that like the Roman Empire that like ethnicity, 193 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: didn't like the wood stompire. Yeah. Yeah, it was like 194 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: there was I think maybe I'm pan German. Yeah, maybe 195 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: all the people who don't look exactly like me or worse, 196 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: and I should just live in a country with people 197 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: like me, right right right? Yeah. So that's sort of 198 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: the developing idea cultural shift, A cultural shift, A big one. Yeah. Uh. 199 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: From eighteen eighty four eighteen nineties, Steiner made a living 200 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: as the private tutor of a rich businessman and an 201 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: encyclopedia writer. Uh. He also worked on his pH d 202 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: at the University of Rostock. His thesis had an appropriately 203 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: boring title, the basic Question of Epistemology, especially in relation 204 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: to fixed philosophy of science. I have no idea what 205 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: it's about, and I'm not going to learn. Up through 206 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: the eighteen nineties, there was little reason to believe stein 207 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: Or would ever be a particularly influential or interesting human being. 208 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: During the late eighteen nineties, who started in literature magazines 209 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: and the trade papers for the German Stage Association, he 210 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: became prominent among the German type setters and printers associations, 211 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: and during the early nineteen hundreds, he lectured increasingly on history, literature, 212 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: and the art of speaking to various audiences. But sometime 213 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: around the turn of the twentieth century, Rudolf Steiner had 214 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: a profound spiritual experience. And it's kind of unclear what 215 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: exactly happened, but he just sort of became convinced that 216 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: he could see into the spirit world and communicate with 217 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: celestial beings. They're all fucking opium or something. Uh, some 218 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: some stepping wolf bullshit. Yeah, Now, I wish I had 219 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: a more exciting answer for the actual event that like 220 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: flipped his brain on here, but yeah, it might have 221 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: been fucking opium. So something he really did, truly, he 222 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: he thought in some way that he had had a 223 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: supernatural or was Yes, was he had a supernatural awakening. 224 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: That would be a fair way to say it. He 225 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 1: had a supernatural awakening and became convinced that he could 226 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:09,599 Speaker 1: communicate with this spiritual world outside of the regular world. Yeah, 227 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: so that's where Steiner's head goes in this period of time. 228 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: That's that's odd. That doesn't happen to everybody. No, it 229 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: does not happen to everybody, thankfully, Um, because we really 230 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: could not handle that many more. Rudolph Steiner's in our 231 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: so that happens to a lot of like the worst 232 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: people have those kind of epiphanies. People like Jim Jones 233 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: and stuff like that don't have epiphanies. That's one of 234 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: the leading messages. If you are in touch with the 235 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: spirit world or whatever, you might want to settle down 236 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: because you're probably about to do something bad eventually. Stick 237 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: to drugs that just dull your sense of the supernatural. 238 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: Sticko alcohol exactly, not opium. Chewing tobacco, yeah, stick to 239 00:13:54,400 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: chewing tobacco. Keep those ghosts out of your head. Just 240 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: be normal. Settled down, settled down, Yeah, yeah, if only so. 241 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: In nineteen o one, Count and Countess Brockdorff, a pair 242 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: of Austrian nobles with a deep interest in the occult, 243 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: listened to some of Steiner's increasingly weird lectures on history 244 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: and spirituality and got interested in the guy. They invited 245 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: him to speak at the Theosophical Society. Yeah, yeah, what 246 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: do you know about the Theosophical doesn't have something to 247 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: do with Madame Blevatsky. It's sure as ship does. That's 248 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: where we're headed. Yeah, yeah, Now I am very excited 249 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: to talk about Holena Blvatsky. We have not talked about 250 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: her on the show yet, and I think you've obviously 251 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: heard of her, which is great. I'm gonna guess a 252 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: lot of listeners haven't. She's one of the most important 253 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: people who ever lived for some terrible reasons. Uh, and 254 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: is a neat tale. We'll do an episode on her someday. Well, 255 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: she tied. Did she have anything to do with Restputant? Yeah, 256 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: I think there's some rumors to that effect. I haven't. 257 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: I I don't know exactly that, but I can tell 258 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: you she had a shipload to do with some Nazis. 259 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: I didn't really know that. Oh yeah, not directly. Um. 260 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: But in terms of like her ideas. Helena Blovotsky was 261 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: about thirty some odd years older than Rudolf Steiner uh 262 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: and while she never lived to see the rise of 263 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: the National Socialist Party in Germany, her ideas were utterly 264 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: critical to the formation of what those of us in 265 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: the Nazi study and business call esoteric hitlersm She was 266 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: a foundational mind behind the New Age movement too, and 267 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: her influence extends to ship like Goop and your local 268 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: vaguely witchcraft themed store. One of Helena's big ideas was 269 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: the concept of root races, and this is where we 270 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: get the term Arians first being used in a context 271 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: similar to how the nazis used at Helena Blovotsky is 272 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: the person who like invented sort of the modern context 273 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: with which the word arians is used. But and by 274 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: modern I mean racists. Yeah, there's an actual area and 275 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: ethnic group that like went up through India and like 276 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: into China. That's like a thing that like, you know, 277 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: if you're an anthropologist, you're gonnat the Arians, and then 278 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: there's like Nazi Arians like this idea. Because she was 279 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: from Russia, right, she was not, Yeah, I think so, 280 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: So she wasn't trying to if she was talking about Arians, 281 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: she was probably talking about just some like uh, supernatural 282 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: race or something like that, but not necessarily German and 283 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: then the Germans probably that's us. Yeah, she was not 284 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: talking about Germans, but she was talking about Arians in 285 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: a way that like some Germans really latched on and 286 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: then developed her ideas more. Yeah, that sounds like us. Yeah. 287 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: So she believed in this concept of root races, and 288 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: she believed that modern people's were descendants from these different 289 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: root races, and in her philosophy, the extinction of Native 290 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,479 Speaker 1: Americans was a matter of what she called karmic necessity, 291 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: as a result of the will of spiritual masters who 292 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: secretly organized and ordained all human progress. So, Helena Bovotski 293 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: is like arians or a thing. Whenever races get wiped out, 294 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: it's good. It's ghosts making it happen because of karma. 295 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: Uh So that's why genocide happened. Ghost karma. Uh Now, 296 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: the spiritual that's ghost Karma's that's scientology. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 297 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of that in here. And Bolovotsky, 298 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: like you know, Blovotsky had an impact on uh, what's 299 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: his fucking name, the Satanist guy? Uh yeah, Crowley. Crowley 300 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: had an impact a significant impact on the development of 301 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: l Ron Hubbard. Um. So, like all of these all 302 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: of these people are tied together. ID a lot. Have 303 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: you talked about Jack Parsons on this show yet? A 304 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: little bit? We talked a little bit about him in 305 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: the l Ron Hubbard episode. We didn't get much into 306 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: like the the ghost Baby or the devil Baby or 307 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: whatever the l Ron Hubbard tried to fuck into that 308 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: lady is a wild tale. Yeah, Scarlett woman, h Yeah, 309 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: all of this stuff is tied. So Helena Blovotsky, like, 310 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: like I said, she's in the intellectual chain of custody 311 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: for Nazism as well as like kind of modern Satanism 312 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: and as well as like just like random books on 313 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: tarot that you pick up at like your local corner store. 314 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: Like all of this ship is that she was very influential. 315 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: And how did Rudolph find out about her? Well, she 316 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: was just a big like he he gets invited to 317 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: speak at the Theosophical Society, UM and the Helena Blovotsky 318 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: was the founder of the Theosophical Society, So she's like 319 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: the the intellectual guru behind this cult that he first 320 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: gets invited to speak at and then finds himself being 321 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: drawn into. So that's where he gets like taken in 322 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: by all these ideas of root races and like spiritual 323 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: masters and karmic necessity, UM and I should I should know. 324 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: The spiritual masters that Blovotsky and then Steiner talked about 325 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: were like vague non human entities, possibly from space. You 326 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't be far off to lump them in with HP 327 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: Lovecraft's concept of the Old Ones they're they're not wildly dissimilar. 328 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: So on the outside, at least, the Theosophis Society presented 329 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: itself as a group of freethinking intellectuals asking questions about 330 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: the nature of the universe and spirituality, but it's actual 331 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: organization was fundamentally authoritarian. Only Bolovotski and her chosen successor, 332 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: Annie Besant could receive the secret truths from their other 333 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: worldly patrons. Ergo, all power in the organization descended by 334 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: necessity from those people in a pretty straight line. Now, 335 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: of course, Madame Blovotsky didn't just receive her wisdom from 336 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: direct conversations with the old ones. That would be silly. 337 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: She also benefited from the astral equivalent of a public library, 338 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: the Akashak record. These indestructible tablets of astral light held 339 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: the entirety of the human past, present, and future in them. 340 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: By studying the tablets, one could discover perfect knowledge of 341 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: the world and history. Now, anyone theoretically could access these records, 342 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: it's sort of like Wikipedia, but since they were astral projections, 343 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: the desires and biases and fears of an individual viewer 344 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: could lead them to make the mistake of thinking that 345 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: like they were reading the wrong thing on their records, 346 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: which is why only trained occultists could be trusted to 347 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: derive useful information from the Akashic Record. It's in space. 348 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: It's in space. Oh so this was like was it? 349 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: It was not public domain? It was it was like, 350 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: I mean they okay, it's space ghost Wikipedia, right, So 351 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: it's something they said existed and everybody took their word 352 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: for it. Kind of thing. Yeah, exactly, exactly, kind of 353 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: like the gold tablets that told Old what's the name 354 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: of the guy founded? Yeah, Old, I have I found 355 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: a tablet that said I can have sex with your 356 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: wife and they're like, where is it? It exploded? Yeah, 357 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: it's like that, but less physical, because no one even 358 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: pretends that the Acashic Record was ever a physical thing. 359 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,959 Speaker 1: I just love that Joseph Smith got away with that. 360 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: I I just I get I give it to him 361 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: just for hutzpah, just to say, you know, where is 362 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: the tablet? I want to see this tablet. Listen, you 363 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: can have sex with my wife. I just want to 364 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: see the gold tablet. It exploded. It's like I always say, Chris, 365 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: great minds who want to have sex with fifteen year 366 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: olds think Oh my god. I mean, uh so that 367 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: that that's interesting. Adam Levatsky, Okay, so this this smells 368 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: to me of just rich kids. I mean, this just 369 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: sounds like rich kids. They're just a bunch of rich kids, 370 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: and they got They like to do weird ship, which 371 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: is um not a lot of day laborers among the 372 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: theosophical Yeah, exactly. Peasant was like making bricks out of 373 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: ship while these people are like talking about die in 374 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: World War one. Yeah, yeah, exactly, like eating eating like 375 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: root vegetables and getting ready to die in World War one, 376 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: while these assholes are in some mahogany room talk yeah, 377 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: being like I am the only one who could access 378 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: the invisible library and like the ghost librarian space. It's fun. 379 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: I've been to rich people's parties. They're fun. I mean, 380 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: you know, I think they've replaced all the spiritualism has 381 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: been replaced with cocaine. Now that might be a step forward. 382 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: Actually it's less it's less dangerous. It's just bullshit that 383 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: goes away in the morning. I will say. Sigmund Freud 384 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: was also in this city and around this time, so 385 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: these people were probably doing a lot of cocaine as well. 386 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: God like this is the period in which people realize 387 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: how awesome cocaine is. So I'm gonna guess, actually a 388 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: lot of this is explained that that might be White 389 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: Steiner had his spiritual awakening. So these guys go ahead, no, no, continue. Oh. 390 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, like, anyway, it sounds like 391 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I mean in a way, you know, 392 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: if it didn't go bad, I mean like the idea 393 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: of like getting together and I feel like I was 394 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: born at the wrong time. I think I would have 395 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: had a great time and these things being like I 396 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: think that, you know, I think if I have a 397 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: little another bump of cocaine, I bet I can see 398 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: my grandma projected on. Yeah, or like I'll start spitting 399 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: out what's that stuff that they used to Uh, what's 400 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: the stuff that looked like pasta that they were always 401 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: but it turned out it was like cheesecloth there? Uh 402 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: during seances ectoplasm? Oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 403 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: That that's how they would fake ecto. I would just 404 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: be like, I'm about to produce ectoplasm. That would be 405 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: a way to get laid by man the guy. He 406 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: he produces actoplasm. It's awesome. I would just try to 407 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: be there coke dealer and see if I could get 408 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: get them to let me tell lies about the Acoshic 409 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: record if I gave them enough blow, Like, can I 410 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: see it yet? Can I see it yet? My boyfriend? 411 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: Let me know what I'm there. My boyfriend says, he 412 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: produces the actoplasm. But I think it's cheese cloth. I 413 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: don't even know what cheese That's what they always say 414 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: in the in the in the descriptions, they're like, like, 415 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: you know, the debunkers are like, it was always cheese cloth. 416 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: I'm never clear on what cheese cloud is. Anyway, I 417 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: think those debunkers may not know because they weren't there 418 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: at those cokes. I mean, like, given the amount of 419 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: blow these gays are probably doing, they might just have 420 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: been hawking up big wads of like congealed mucus and 421 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: cocaine that it was. Oh my god, it's just all 422 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: the excess coke that couldn't get in that case. I 423 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: bet Justin Throws produced quite a bit of ectoplasm. Yes, yes, 424 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: And speaking of ectoplasm, you know what's a lot like ectoplasm? Chris, 425 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: The products and services that support this show. Yeah, this 426 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: is an ad break. All right, we're back. We're back. 427 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: So if he's proud of me, we're rolling right along 428 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: into the tale of Rudolph Steiner. So, like I said, 429 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: only trained occultists could be trusted to derive useful information 430 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: from the Akashak record. And as soon as he starts 431 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: speaking at the Theosophical Society, he you know, Steiner almost 432 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: immediately afterwards joins the society, and he very quickly rises 433 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: to become one of those experts. In nineteen o two, 434 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: barely a year after his start lecturing there, he was 435 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: asked to become the general secretary of the German Theosophical Society. 436 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: The one term he attached to taking the gig was 437 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: that he would be allowed to lecture and teach about 438 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: the results of his own spiritual investigations. So they're like, 439 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: will you run the German branch of this weird ghost 440 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: society of ours? And he's like, I'll do it, but 441 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: you gotta let me say that I'm able to read 442 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: the ghost Encyclopedia too, So that's his It's a solid grift. Well, 443 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: it's also a solid job. What a great job was 444 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: I want to know what the salary was for for 445 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: the you know, the head of the Russian division of 446 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: the Theosophical Society. That's what I'd like to know. I'm 447 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: gonna guess it was like an uncomfortable amount of money, 448 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: but also barely enough money to buy lunch today like that, 449 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: then it would have been a fortune, and today it's 450 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: like a rap in downtown l A. Uh. That that's 451 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: my guest for his salary. Yeah. Now, early in his studies, 452 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: uh steiner studies. Most of those investigations focused on Atlantis 453 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: and La Mauria. He was way into Atlantis and La Mauria. 454 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: And I should say, in some occult circles, Lamuria is 455 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: just another name for Atlantis. But in Steiner's conception, they 456 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: were two different sunken continents, both home to different root 457 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: races of humanity. Now, he wrote a number of books 458 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: on these topics, and they are all complete and utter nonsense. 459 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm just going to quote one paragraph from one of 460 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: these books where Steiner explains that human beings started out 461 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: as age gender creatures capable of sucking themselves. So we're yes, yes, 462 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: but not the way he pay attention. He didn't foresee 463 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: climate change. But yeah, when we study the Akashak records, 464 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: we see that at a period in the far past, 465 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: human forms appear soft, plastic, and quite unlike those of 466 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: later times, they still retain an equal measure the nature 467 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: of man and woman. As time passes and matter densifies, 468 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: the human body appears in two forms, one of which 469 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: resembles the man's later form, the other the woman's. Before 470 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: the appearance of these differentiated forms, every human being could 471 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: of itself bring forth another. The fructification was no outer process, 472 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: but one which took place within the human body itself. 473 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: When the body took on a male or female form, 474 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: it lost the possibility of self fructification. Who operation with 475 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: another body was necessary in order to produce a new 476 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: human being? Define, Wow, that is a horseship. That's the 477 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: kind of ship, and it's That's how I would describe 478 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: the beginning of the human race. Do you guys have 479 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: no idea how much easier this podcast would be if 480 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: I could just say that I was basing all of 481 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: my write ups on a ghost encyclopedia, Like so, if 482 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to put sources up, I wouldn't have 483 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: to cite anything. I could just lie. It would be 484 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: so much easier. That's exactly Also, how an eight year 485 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: old would say that the human race started. Yeah, how 486 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: did you figure this out? I saw it in the 487 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: ghost book that nobody else can read. Yeah, there's always 488 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: it's always something that nobody else can have access to. Yeah, 489 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: that's where the best evidence comes from. By nineteen twelve, 490 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: Steiner's own theories about the universe and the space Ghost 491 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: Library had deviated it up from the theosophical movement that 492 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: he was forced to create his own weird cult. I'm 493 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: going to quote now from Anthroposophy and Eco Fascism by 494 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: Peter Stoutenmeyer, the title of which sort of spoils where 495 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: this story is heading quote. He broke from mainstream theosophy 496 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: in nineteen twelve, taking most of the German speaking sections 497 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: with him. When Bassant and her colleagues declared the young 498 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: Christna Murty, a boy they discovered an India to be 499 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: the reincarnation of Christ, Steiner was unwilling to accept a 500 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: brown skin Hindu lad as the next spiritual master. Would 501 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: had separated Steiner all along from Lavotsky, Bassant, and the 502 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: other India oriented theosophis was his insistence on the superiority 503 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: of European esoteric traditions in the wake of the split, 504 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: Steiner founded the Anthroposophical Society in Germany. Shortly before the 505 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: outbreak of World War One, he moved the fledgling organization's 506 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: international headquarters to Switzerland. Under the protection of Swiss neutrality, 507 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: he was able to build up a permanent center in 508 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: the village of door Knock. So that's the move that 509 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: he makes door Knock. Yeah, I'm probably pronouncing it wrong. 510 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: Switzerland and their neutralities caused a lot of fucking trouble 511 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: they m hm um. So that is very interesting. But 512 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: by the way, just quickly, Hindu Lad is a great 513 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: name for an Indie rock band, Yeah, it would be. 514 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: And that's this, like so part of like one of 515 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: the there's a couple of weird things to do with 516 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: Hinduism in here. One of them is that, like one 517 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: of the most influential fascist philosophers in this period was 518 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: an Indian woman. Um. Another of these weird facts is that, like, yeah, 519 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: the Theosophical Society was very much oriented towards India, because 520 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: India was in fact where like the the actual Arians 521 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: like moved through and stuff and like settled and whatnot. 522 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: The Indo Aryan people's and there was a belief even 523 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: among the Nazis, that like you could find some of 524 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: like the like Aryan bloodlines in India, and the Nazis 525 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: sent a number of expeditions up into like Tibetan ship 526 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: and I don't know about that. That's so fucking weird. 527 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: It's weird. And what's worth noting here is that while 528 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: the Nazis were willing to accept that like India might have, 529 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: like there might be Aryan bloodlines in India, Steiner was 530 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: too racist for that. So that's that's the guy. Yeah, 531 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: that's the guy who would look at the Nazis and 532 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: their ideas towards India and be like, y'all are too 533 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: open minded about this ship, right, I just want I'm 534 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: just thinking about a guy in Hollywood is playing bass 535 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: in a band called Hindu Lad. Those bands were like 536 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: every song on their set list is eleven minutes or longer. Yeah, 537 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: and they're all white. Yeah, they're all white. They opened 538 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: for Vandergraft Generator once in the seventies. Yeah. Look that's 539 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: deep Steiner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can talk about the deep. 540 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, to be honest, a lot of 541 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: this story has influenced different prog rock fro rock overall 542 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: lap with racist early twentieth century racist philosophy esoteric. Yeah, 543 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: that's cool. If I were to read this out to 544 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: the founder of King Crimson, he would just nod his 545 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: head and be like, of course that already you think 546 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that. Why do you think I picked 547 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: up the guitar. If it wasn't for Rudolph and his theories, 548 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: I would never have started playing the guitar. Yeah. So 549 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: Steiner declared his new occult philosophy to be anthroposophical spiritual science, 550 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: which he called human science and the broadest sense or 551 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: who boy, geist, swish and shoft. In nineteen twelve, Yeah, 552 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: thank you. His nineteen twelve, his followers created the Anthroposophical 553 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: Society and imitation of the Theosophical Society. This was the 554 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: beginning of anthroposophy, a thing which is very much still 555 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: around today. Now here's where I point out that this 556 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,719 Speaker 1: episode is going to wind up being a little bit disordered, 557 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: because both the beliefs of anthroposophy and its impacts on 558 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: society are incredibly wide ranging. So at this point I'm 559 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about anthroposophical medicine. All right, 560 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: So we're we're we're pulling out of the time stream 561 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: a little bit to talk about one of the impacts 562 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: of Rudolf Steiner's beliefs. So Steiner was not a doctor, 563 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: never had any medical training, but his spiritual revelations informed 564 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: him of several critical things. And I'm going to quote 565 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: now from a would right up in quack Watch that 566 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: summarizes some key facts of anthroposophic medical beliefs. Good health 567 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: is achieved when the physical organism is properly aligned with 568 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: three non physical bodies that manifest during a human's lifetime. 569 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: The etheric body a set of life forces, the astral 570 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: body higher soul forces, and the eye, a spark of 571 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: divine selfhood or ego that separates true humans from animals 572 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: and subhumans. Real warning on that sub human thing. Yeah yeah. 573 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: Bad health, on the other hand, often reflects the working 574 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: out of one's karmic destiny. If one enters this world 575 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: carrying spiritual impurities resulting from sins and errors committed in 576 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: previous lives, disease can serve as a right of passage, 577 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: purging evils from one's bodily spiritual system. Thus, medical intervention 578 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: is often a bad idea. A doctor who cures a 579 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: patient with drugs, etcetera. Maybe blocking the patient's karmaic self 580 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: healing process. No way, that could be problematic. Yeah, that's 581 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: that's Yeah, we shouldn't help that person because they're going 582 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna need to die. Yeah, they're gonna need to 583 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: die as part of their journey. This dysentery sucks for 584 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: them now, but when they die and come back in 585 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: another life, they're gonna be so much Happy's just simple also, 586 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: the simple, you know, like whatever you have, whatever bad 587 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: ship is happening to somebody, is their own fault. It's 588 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: like whenever I'm taking with my friends, I try to 589 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: trick them into drinking ever clear at the end of 590 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: the night so that they vomit and then they feel 591 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: better than next morning, which is why I'm a doctor too. Essentially, Yeah, 592 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: now what not a doctor? I am? I am absolutely 593 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm a doctor, reverend, and well, if this guy is 594 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: a doctor, you're a doctor. We're all thank you. See exactly, 595 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: and actually, shockingly, there are a terrifying number of doctors 596 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: who believe this, Like actual doctors in Europe in the 597 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: beginning of the twentieth century thought they were a doctor. Apparently, Yeah, 598 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: and unfortunately that hasn't stopped Amian doctor. Yeah, a Lamirian 599 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: doctor with access to a ghost library where he learned medicine. 600 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: And then there were people just working yeah yeah. And 601 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: then there's people like dying in a field who were 602 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: working and eating gruel. Yeah yeah, excuse me, labor, Have 603 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: I told you about the ghost library? My boys got 604 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: the jip. Don't care your son's illnesses. Those ghosts him 605 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: in the future now. Peter Staudenmeyer is an associate professor 606 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: of German history at Marquette University, and he's written out 607 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff about this. He's maybe the world's 608 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: foremost expert on on on Rudolph Steiner um. And I'm 609 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: going to quote him now talking about anthroposophic medicine. Quote. 610 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: Steiner's doctrine of reincarnation, embraced by latter day anthroposophis the 611 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: world over, holds that individuals choose their parents before birth, 612 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: and indeed that we plan out our lives before beginning 613 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: them to ensure that we receive the necessary spiritual lessons. 614 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: If it disembodied soul bulks at its own chosen life 615 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: prospects just before incarnation, it fails to incarnate fully the source, 616 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: according to anthroposophists of prenatal defects and congenital disabilities. So 617 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: if you're born with like an arm that doesn't work, 618 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: like you've got one of those like shrunken arms, or 619 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: if you're born with like you know, paralyzed from the 620 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: waist down, that's because ghost you is a coward. Yeah, 621 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: so it's that's fine, that's a healthy thing to believe. 622 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: It's it's all um, Well, I don't know if all 623 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: these philosophies end up being this basically like I don't 624 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 1: want to pay taxes thing, But that's what it really 625 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: adds up to. It's just like that guy with no arm, 626 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: it's his own fault. I I don't it's just always 627 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: justifying why if you feel good, you don't have to 628 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: bother with anybody who feels bad about seventy of occult 629 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: beliefs historically are rooted in rich people wanting to explain 630 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: why it's fine that things were great for them while 631 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: everyone else was dying in a field. Yeah, it's just 632 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: like libertarianism, except it's just got ghost libraries and like 633 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: in fairness to the occult. That's also like most of 634 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,919 Speaker 1: early Christianity. Uh so, Yeah, it's just always the same. 635 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: It's such a hack message too. It's just like it's 636 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: just like, what's the most esoteric reason we can come 637 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: up with for not giving a funk about anybody? Yeah, 638 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: I guess, but not early like Middle Christianity, Like once 639 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: the church becomes an institution, it starts being like, this 640 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: is why the people who are rich and powerful should 641 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: be rich and powerful. It's always the same fucking message. Yeah, 642 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: it's always the same message. Like at the start, you 643 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: get a guy who's like Jesus and it's like, I'm 644 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: gonna beat the ship out of people at banks because 645 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: they're assholes, and then a hundred and fifty years later 646 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: it's turned into like, no, no, no, the people with 647 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: banks are the people God likes the best, which is 648 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: never pull away from that belief system. This is the 649 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: this is the occult version of that. Yeah. Now, as 650 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: fucked up and blatantly anti medical as all of this sounds, 651 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: there are a shocking number of actual m d s 652 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: today who practice anthroposophical medicine. Uh And, in a little 653 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: bit of fairness, they do use and prescribe real drugs. 654 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: They are actual doctors. They also use natural and holistic 655 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: remedies and therapies, though some of which work and some 656 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: of which are nonsense, will bullshit. I'm gonna quote now 657 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: from the National Institute of Health. Quote. Currently, there are 658 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: approximately twenty four anthroposophic medical institutions, which include hospitals, departments 659 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: and hospitals, rehabilitation centers, and other inpatient health care centers 660 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: in Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Italy, the Netherlands, and the United States. 661 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: In Germany, three large anthroposophic hospitals provide accident and emergency 662 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: services within the requirement plans of the German federal states. 663 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: Two of them are academic teaching hospitals linked to neighboring universities. 664 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: So this is a thing today. There are doctors who 665 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: believe this ship today. Um, and you're aware the actual 666 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: m d s. Yeah there there. I didn't like them 667 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: exactly where, but they exist. Yeah, I'm gonna guess there's 668 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 1: a shipload of them in Malibu. You throw a fucking 669 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: rock in Malibu, you'll hit an anthroposophic doctor telling you 670 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: that your kid's birth defects her because his ghost was scared. 671 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: Have you tried an anthroposophic doctor? They're amazing. They tell 672 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 1: your kid it's his fault. They're incredible. YEA might validate 673 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: your belief system. Yeah. So, um. There's a lot of 674 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 1: people who will say that anthroposophic doctors are just doing 675 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: a slightly different kind of medicine and they're perfectly good doctors. 676 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: And maybe that's true. I haven't met any, but I 677 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: am skeptical of the idea that any of them could 678 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: be truly good doctors. For one thing, most of them 679 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: are anti vaccine. See. Rudolf Steiner believed in reincarnation, and 680 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: he thought disease was part of a patient's karma. So 681 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 1: if you treat illnesses, or if you prevent an illness, 682 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: you just force that person to get sick again in 683 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: a future life. During one of his lectures to doctors, 684 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: Steiner said this of the smallpox vaccine. If we destroy 685 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: the susceptibility to smallpox, we are concentrating only on the 686 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: external side of karmic activity. See, it's not a full 687 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: treatment to stop someone from getting smallpox because you're not 688 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: dealing with the actual root of the problem, which is space, 689 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: which is like a character flaw. Yeah, it's a character 690 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: flawed from the past, so that the doctor. That's why 691 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: you shouldn't get vaccinated. The doctor's the doctor's job is 692 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: converted from helping someone live to letting them die. I 693 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 1: mean letting them die because whatever it's their own fault. 694 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's some process. It's like some learning curve 695 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: or or learning like you need to get sick or 696 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: else you're not gonna You're not gonna, I don't know, 697 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: You're not gonna die like you're supposed to because you're 698 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: a bad person. It's literally, you need to get sick 699 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 1: because when you were a ghost, you decided you were 700 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 1: going to get like smallpox at age seven, and you 701 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: have to learn the lessons that will you will be 702 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: taught by getting smallpox at age seven. You picked this, 703 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: so don't complain. So Steiner, this guy Steiner must not 704 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: have had any ailments. I guess he never got a 705 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: cold or anything. He must have thought he was because 706 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: this seems like the kind of philosophy that would end 707 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: up killing you. You know, It's one of those things 708 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: I feel like I don't have. I wish I had 709 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: more information about his early life. I just don't um 710 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: I it's what he either was lucky and had none 711 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: of those problems, or he had all of the fucking 712 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: diseases as a kid and he just grew up thinking like, well, 713 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: everybody should have to go through this, and he like 714 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: came out, he came out of him and he's like that, Yes, 715 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's been a character builder for me, and 716 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 1: it should be a character builder for everybody else. My 717 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,359 Speaker 1: guess is one of the two. Either he didn't get 718 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: sick at all, or he was like the sickest son 719 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: of a bitch when he was a little kid, and 720 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: he just grew up thinking that that was normal. But everybody, 721 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: some people, he's like, instead of pulling himself up by 722 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: his bootstraps, he pulled himself up by his diseases. Yeah, exactly, 723 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: his disease straps, which were etheric and existed on the 724 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 1: astro plane. So, uh, yeah, we we just talked about Yeah. 725 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: So uh. Steiner said that, yeah, if we destroyed the 726 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: susceptibility to smallpox, we're concentrating only in the external side 727 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: of karmic activity. So he believed that. He also believed 728 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: that dark wizards might try to create evil, fake medications 729 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: that would cut humanity off from its spiritual roots. Yeah, 730 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: we got some wizards uh quote. Endeavors to achieve this 731 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: will be made by bringing out remedies to be administered 732 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: by inoculation. Only these inoculations will influence the human body 733 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,359 Speaker 1: in a way that will make it refuse to give 734 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: a home to the spiritual inclinations of the soul. So 735 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: evil wizard doctors are going to give you vaccines that 736 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: make your body refuse your soul Rudolf Steiner. Yeah, so 737 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: again it's like, it seems like a bold stance to 738 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: take based on nothing. Yeah, it's a bold stance to 739 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: take based on nothing, in a weird stance to be 740 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: the basis of a type of medicine that, again, a 741 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: significant number of actual m d s believed today. So 742 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: there are a lot of websites out there dedicated to 743 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: defending Rudolf Steiner and anthroposophy, and we're going to hear 744 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: from a couple of them a few times. One such 745 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 1: site is shares us quote Anthroposophical doctors reject nothing in 746 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: the toolbox of conventional medicine a priori. Every option is 747 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: considered for its appropriateness in a specific instance. Antibiotics are 748 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: used when necessary, but so are homeopathic remedies. Physical therapy 749 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 1: is prescribed, but so as curative your rhythmi, which is 750 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: movement exercise to balance the forces within the body. It's 751 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,919 Speaker 1: like dancing medicine. So you know, we'll we'll give people 752 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: antibiotics when they have infections, but we'll also give them 753 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: water with nothing in it. That's been like waved around 754 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: a route that we say, here's things. That's a good doctor. 755 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: Now that like seems I guess not the least like that. 756 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: That's not the craziest thing in the world, given like 757 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: the wide galaxy of stupid things people will do because 758 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: they think that it's better for their health than traditional medicine. 759 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: But Steiner's own words are even less reasonable than that. 760 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 1: He told his followers that the heart was not a 761 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: pump and that blood just circulates on its own, presumably 762 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: by magic. He was also insistent that the brain was 763 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: not involved in thought or cognition. He prescribed mistletoe for 764 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 1: cancerous tumors, and he was in general a complete fucking quack. 765 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna quote from Quackwatch again talking about the 766 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: doctors that Steiner inspired. Anthroposophical physicians do not appear to 767 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: conduct double blind controlled experiments, so it is almost impossible 768 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: to evaluate their success rates. All doctors witness mysterious declines 769 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,439 Speaker 1: as well as mysterious recoveries. Believers in anthroposophical medicine relate 770 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 1: tales of highly successful treatments, but whether the alleged cures 771 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: resulted from the treatments the body's natural healing processes are 772 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: overly optimistic reporting cannot be determined. Using ineffective alternatives instead 773 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: of necessary science based care can have serious consequences. On 774 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: Waldorf critics dot org, Robert smith Hall describes how he 775 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: suffered while being raised by anthroposophists. They believe that sickness 776 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: is the sole incarnating and also that it has to 777 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: do with karma. They don't believe in inoculation, so I 778 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: had all the child diseases going around some twice. Smith 779 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,800 Speaker 1: Hall reports that he was constantly ill throughout his childhood, 780 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: and that the primary treatment that his anthroposophical doctors prescribed 781 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: was little white sugar pills called in fluto, and buckets 782 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: and buckets of horsetail tea and also camera milet. What 783 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 1: the hell's horse tail te It's like a plant, those 784 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,399 Speaker 1: real horsetail. No, no, no, no thing. Count me out 785 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: of that one. I'm quitting. I'll quit that religion based 786 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: on I'm not having some team out out of a 787 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 1: horse tail. I mean that I would that I suspect 788 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: that would work better than Cama milet mased. Horses are 789 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: full of healthy diseases. Yeah. Now, certain foods made him six, 790 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: so he was required to eat great quantities of these 791 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: very foods. The feeling that my parents had was that 792 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: I should eat more of it, as I obviously needed 793 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: to incarnate through the food. So I grew up being 794 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: force fed food that was making me sick. As an adult. 795 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: Having broken away from anthroposophy, Smith Halt was examined by 796 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 1: a conventional doctor who correctly diagnosed his wheat intolerance. He's 797 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: been improving ever since. This Angela is this is this 798 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 1: Angelina Jolie's kid. You kind of get the feeling, right 799 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 1: this kid in Malibu. Yeah, yeah, like bent somewhere with 800 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: rich people, and like his parents were like, oh, he 801 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,400 Speaker 1: gets sick whenever he eats wheat, And the doctor was like, 802 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: that means you gotta feed this kid as much wheat 803 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: as he can fucking stand. Yeah, never stopped pouring wheat 804 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: into the boy. Yeah, it sucks. I mean that's terrible. 805 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: I mean luck he didn't have a peanut allergy, or 806 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: he would have died right away. You get the feeling 807 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,240 Speaker 1: that some kids with peanut allergies and anthroposophic doctors didn't 808 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: make it. Yeah, right away, he would die. Have more peanuts. Oh, well, 809 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: you know when they were ghosts. They were jerks when 810 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: they were ghosts. Look, I know it's sad, but your 811 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: kid picked this when he was a ghost. A jerk 812 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: and a weakling your kid was when he was a ghost. Yeah, now, 813 00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,600 Speaker 1: excuse me. I'm a doctor. Don't don't excuse me me. 814 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: I'm a doctor. You know, my school of medicine is 815 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: great because it's founded by a guy who never went 816 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 1: to medical school. Why don't you take a look at 817 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,240 Speaker 1: the ghost library if you're so smart? Oh, I'm sorry. 818 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: Have you read the Space Encyclopedia? Wow? Yeah, So we're 819 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,759 Speaker 1: going to talk some more about anthroposophic medicine and its 820 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 1: impact on European vaccination rates. And I'm gonna have some 821 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 1: more cold brus This is great. I love the show. 822 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this is very exciting stuff for me. This 823 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,359 Speaker 1: is my I love this stuff. This is what I'm 824 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: doing my spare time. But I just don't have a 825 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: show too. I don't get to talk about it. I'm 826 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,840 Speaker 1: all by myself. Yeah, this is what I did in 827 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,919 Speaker 1: my spare time until I had a show, and now 828 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,919 Speaker 1: it's what I do in my spare time. But now 829 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: Sophie yells at me and I get money, so it 830 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: works out. Yeah. So we're we are going to get 831 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 1: back to anthroposophic medicine. But before we get there, we're 832 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: gonna have to peel back a little bit and talk 833 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: about the founding of the first Waldorf's cool. So, for 834 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 1: the sake of fairness, I'm going to quote from a 835 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 1: pro Steiner website, now Waldorf answers quote in nineteen eighteen, 836 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,360 Speaker 1: when a revolution took place not only in Russia note 837 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 1: by me, the Russian Revolution started in nineteen seventeen, but 838 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: also in Germany and threatened to disintegrate the social fabric. 839 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: Steiner presented suggestions for a conscious threefold differentiation of society 840 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: as a path for the future. It focused on the 841 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 1: development of freedom and the cultural sphere, equality in the 842 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: sphere of politics, and legislation in a globally oriented brotherhood 843 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: in the sphere of economy. Steiner lectured widely on this topic, 844 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 1: leading to a movement for social threefolding. That sounds nice, right, yeah. 845 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,960 Speaker 1: In nineteen nineteen, this led to the founding of the 846 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 1: first free Waldorf school in Stuttgart at the initiative of 847 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 1: Immolt Malt, the CEO of Waldorf Astory, a cigarette factory. 848 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: The school became the model for the Waldorf movement, leading 849 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 1: to the building and development by two thousand nine of 850 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: some sixteen hundred Waldorf kindergartens and nine hundred and ninety 851 00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: four independent Waldorf or Rudolf Steiner schools worldwide, offering educational 852 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: activities from early childhood through high school and in some 853 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 1: cases programs for adults. So, Chris, yes, can you think 854 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: of a better way for a school to start than 855 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: a cigarette factory? Started? In? Oh, it was paid for, 856 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: but I thought it was in a cigarette an old No. 857 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: The CEO of the cigarette factory decided he liked the 858 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: cut of Rudolf Steiner's jib and was like, yeah, let's 859 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: make a fucking school. Right. Well, it makes sense some 860 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 1: rich guy. Yeah, if you if you own a cigarette factory, 861 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,439 Speaker 1: you gotta be doing pretty good. So you probably got 862 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 1: nothing to do. So then you want to think about 863 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,879 Speaker 1: things that are you know, you've got nothing to think about, 864 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 1: so you're gonna start thinking about Hell, I want to 865 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 1: think about something exciting. How about this bullshit? And then 866 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: you make a school. Yeah, let's make a school. I 867 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,839 Speaker 1: got nothing to do. Let's make a school. Yeah, let's 868 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 1: make us a bunch of money kids. That cigarettes are 869 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,240 Speaker 1: critical for human health. I'm in a guest that Rudolf 870 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: Steiner was very supportive of cigarettes as a health remedy, 871 00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,200 Speaker 1: which should be fair. Most people were at this. Yeah, 872 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 1: now you know what actually is good for your health, Chris, 873 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,440 Speaker 1: The products and services that support this show. Oh, I 874 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:13,880 Speaker 1: see what you did? Guaranteed to cure your diseases. Every product, whatever, 875 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,239 Speaker 1: whatever happens to be advertised, will cure whatever you happen 876 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: to have the guarantee I make. We we are all doctors. 877 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,399 Speaker 1: I come from the the Evans School of medicine, going 878 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,800 Speaker 1: by Rudolph's rules, were all doctors. You just gotta incarnate 879 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: that ship you tell me, Dr Crofton, I'm the I'm 880 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: the anthropomorphic whatever I like. I've got a school of dilettantism. Yeah, 881 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: all right, products, we're back, well back, and we're talking 882 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,239 Speaker 1: about the cigarette factory that started a school. Now as 883 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,279 Speaker 1: you might guess, a school founded by the CEO of 884 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,880 Speaker 1: a cigarette factory did not portend great things for the 885 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: future of human health. Doctor Edzard Ernst to determine that 886 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,280 Speaker 1: between nineteen ninety nine and two thousand ten, ten outbreaks 887 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: of measles in the UK, the Netherlands, Austria and Germany 888 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: have centered around Waldorf schools, all of which had immunization 889 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: rates lower than ten percent. There are more than eight 890 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,960 Speaker 1: hundred Waldorf schools in the world today. Many of these 891 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 1: are well regarded institutions, and a huge number of famous 892 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: people have graduated from them. A lot of folks who 893 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 1: work at these schools are I'm sure, find people and educators, 894 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,359 Speaker 1: but there are also some really fucking dark stories from 895 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: these plazes. Sharon Lombard, a parent whose daughter was enrolled 896 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: at a Waldorf school, had this experience when her kid 897 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,360 Speaker 1: got sick. Quote the anthroposophic doctor made a diagnosis my 898 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: child had lost the will to live. He announced one 899 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 1: of the potential cures we were to give our daughter red, yellow, 900 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,759 Speaker 1: and orange crayons to color with. I looked at my 901 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 1: husband in disbelief. When the doctor instructed us to make 902 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,399 Speaker 1: the sign of a flame out of arum cream over 903 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 1: my child's heart at bedtime. I was dumbfound it. He 904 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: told us to apply the gold cream from below the 905 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:07,800 Speaker 1: heart upwards towards the sky. So that's well, that's medicine. 906 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 1: How did this all right? But why did this? Did 907 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: this woman not have any idea that the school was weird? Well, 908 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 1: that's the thing up in a Waldorf school if you're 909 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 1: not already a crackpot, but it's got a great it's 910 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 1: got a great reputation for like the arts and stuff, 911 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,800 Speaker 1: and they do, like a lot of really famous actors 912 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,239 Speaker 1: and musicians and stuff went to Waldorf schools. They seem 913 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,680 Speaker 1: to be good at encouraging creativity and kids. So they're 914 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,880 Speaker 1: willing to they want the networking for their kids, and 915 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,399 Speaker 1: they're willing to kill them. And if they I don't 916 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,919 Speaker 1: think they really look into it that hard. They don't 917 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,000 Speaker 1: know what anthroposofic medicine is really, but they know that 918 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,640 Speaker 1: the doctor there is an actual d that makes sense, 919 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,239 Speaker 1: that makes sense. How people get people into cults, They 920 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,560 Speaker 1: tell them what one thing about it, They just don't 921 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,799 Speaker 1: tell me the other thing about it exactly. And like 922 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 1: in this parents love the Waldorf school it's so great. 923 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,960 Speaker 1: It's all about creativity. And also they won't give you 924 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,239 Speaker 1: any medicine, but we're not gonna If your daughter sick, 925 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,359 Speaker 1: they'll give her crayon. Yeah, I mean that's that's that's 926 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,400 Speaker 1: the way that stuff works. That's true. Now, this woman's 927 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,520 Speaker 1: daughter was eventually hospitalized, and she did recover under the 928 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: care of normal doctors. Uh. And if the only impact 929 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,400 Speaker 1: of Waldorf schools was a few sick and presumably a 930 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,320 Speaker 1: couple of dead kids, I might not be writing this episode. 931 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,160 Speaker 1: But the rabbit hole of weird here goes a lot deeper, 932 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:28,399 Speaker 1: and this is where things get racist as fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 933 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot. It was really hard to like figure 934 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,839 Speaker 1: out the time, like how to pattern this out time wise, 935 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 1: because there's just so much to get to, so that 936 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna be jumping around a little bit more than 937 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 1: usual in this episode. Caught up in that I was 938 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:46,040 Speaker 1: already mad at Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer for for 939 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,960 Speaker 1: for people to get sick, and now I forgot all 940 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,040 Speaker 1: about the racism. Yeah, so I found a fascinating right 941 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,919 Speaker 1: up by a former Waldorf student, also on Quack Watch. 942 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,680 Speaker 1: This student points out that the vast majority of steiner 943 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:03,360 Speaker 1: spiritual beliefs and ideas behind anthroposophy itself were actually hidden 944 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,680 Speaker 1: from the students at the school. They don't talk about 945 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,360 Speaker 1: these beliefs like to the kids. Quote. The Waldorf I 946 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,200 Speaker 1: attended was lovely, with caring teachers and pleasant, carefully selected classmates. 947 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,719 Speaker 1: For the most part, I enjoyed my years there. Waldorf 948 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: was small, twenty or so students at each grade level. 949 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,200 Speaker 1: The ambiance was close and comfortable, as Steiner would have wanted. 950 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,880 Speaker 1: Waldorf was a religious school, but with a twist it 951 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,400 Speaker 1: hit its faith. The school presented itself as a progressive, 952 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,440 Speaker 1: ultra modern learning institution, and in some ways it was, 953 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,920 Speaker 1: but the secular kind of framing of this was a disguise. Quote. 954 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,640 Speaker 1: We students memorized no passages from holy books, we sang 955 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,760 Speaker 1: from no hymnals. Yet a strange aura hung about the school. 956 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,280 Speaker 1: There was a pervasive but unspoken spiritualistic vibe and almost 957 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,960 Speaker 1: every lesson, in almost every activity. It was hard for 958 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: most patients to detect, but we students felt it to 959 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,280 Speaker 1: one degree or another. It was in the air we breathed. 960 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,759 Speaker 1: It defined the tenor and subtext of our days. Ultimately, 961 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,560 Speaker 1: it's shaped and colored our education as a actively as 962 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,959 Speaker 1: if priests were delivering sermons to us. So you don't 963 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,279 Speaker 1: state this stuff out right, but you kind of try 964 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 1: to teach these kids some of the spiritual lessons of 965 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:13,360 Speaker 1: your beliefs, like covertly without sort of directly proselytizing or 966 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:18,360 Speaker 1: talking about the actual schitt Steiner believed. Later on in 967 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,080 Speaker 1: the right Up, this student gives a deeply unsettling example 968 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,480 Speaker 1: of what precisely lurked beneath the surface. In twelfth grade. 969 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: This happened to him in a biology class taught by 970 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:31,800 Speaker 1: the school headmaster, a guy named Gardner. Quote. He explained 971 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,960 Speaker 1: that the various races stood at different levels of moral development, 972 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 1: each was forging its own destiny. He said these things sympathetically, 973 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,040 Speaker 1: with no hint of condescension. Yet the vibe was in 974 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,319 Speaker 1: the room that morning. The terms he used were more 975 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 1: metaphysical than biological. The Oriental races, he said, are ancient, 976 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 1: wise but vitiated. The African races are youthful, unformed, childlike, 977 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,359 Speaker 1: he said, standing near the center of humanities. Family are 978 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,319 Speaker 1: currently the most advanced races. The Whites, he said, where 979 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,759 Speaker 1: is this do Is there any references to where the 980 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,319 Speaker 1: school is or I think this one. Yeah, this one's 981 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,200 Speaker 1: in the United States. I believe it's on the East coast. 982 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 1: This is during the nineteen seventies. I think when this happened. Wow. Yeah. 983 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 1: The author of this article also recalled an unsettling botany class. 984 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,600 Speaker 1: But the teacher named Hertha Carl who also taught German 985 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 1: and earth science whatever that is. Can we find her 986 00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,040 Speaker 1: on Facebook? I think she's dead now. She would have 987 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,080 Speaker 1: been a mature adult in the seventies. Yeah. Of all 988 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 1: the Waldorf faculty, she made the least effort to disguise 989 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,880 Speaker 1: her devotion to Steiner. She drew figures of eight on 990 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,160 Speaker 1: the blackboard and lectured us about limnus skates, the mystic 991 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,279 Speaker 1: interaction of the telluric and etheric forces, which is the 992 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,480 Speaker 1: basic structure of nature, she said. During one day's main lesson, 993 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,960 Speaker 1: she veered off topic to warn us to never receive 994 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,799 Speaker 1: blood transfusions from members of other races. Blacks and Orientals 995 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,120 Speaker 1: have blood types that are physically different from ours, she 996 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 1: taught us, and receiving such inferior blood would diminish our 997 00:55:54,320 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 1: aryan qualities. Yeah. Nothing, nothing, nothing coded about that. Yeah, yeah, nothing, 998 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,960 Speaker 1: nothing coded there. So Rudolph Steiner did not live in 999 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,400 Speaker 1: particularly fascinating life. He mostly wrote and lectured and taught 1000 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,680 Speaker 1: people Crazy Ship throughout the early nineteen twenties. Uh he 1001 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,520 Speaker 1: did thousands of lectures three and thirty alone from January 1002 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,080 Speaker 1: to September of nineteen twenty four. He died in March 1003 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,600 Speaker 1: of nineteen twenty five, and his followers suggests that he 1004 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:25,319 Speaker 1: basically exhausted himself with his workload. His what he was 1005 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 1: eighteen sixties, he would have been like in his fifties 1006 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,279 Speaker 1: or sixties. I think, um now, he did not have 1007 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,960 Speaker 1: what I would call a particularly compelling life by the 1008 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,920 Speaker 1: standards of other cult leaders like l Ron Hubbard. Like 1009 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,000 Speaker 1: when it just comes to the details we know about 1010 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,279 Speaker 1: his existence, it's not super wacky or fun to listen to. 1011 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,520 Speaker 1: There's no creating, forcing a bunch of kids onto boats 1012 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:49,320 Speaker 1: and like searching for treasure in the ocean for thirteen years. Um, 1013 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,239 Speaker 1: But Rudolf Steiner is something of an Iceberg. What you 1014 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,680 Speaker 1: can see above the water line looks more or less 1015 00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:58,040 Speaker 1: respectable or at least nothing, no darker or sillier than 1016 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,440 Speaker 1: like you know, your friend with a tarot deck. But 1017 00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,120 Speaker 1: below that is where things get fucked up very quickly, 1018 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,360 Speaker 1: and where we run unto the weird race science stuff 1019 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,160 Speaker 1: like Madame Blovotsky. Steiner believed that Native Americans were, in 1020 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,160 Speaker 1: his words, dying out of their own nature. He believed 1021 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,919 Speaker 1: they were one of several lower races of humans. Most 1022 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,160 Speaker 1: Aboriginal and non white races fell into this category. In 1023 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,240 Speaker 1: Steiner's mind, they were closer to animals than higher races 1024 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,800 Speaker 1: of humanity. Anthroposophy teaches that many of these races are 1025 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,360 Speaker 1: descended from degenerate remnants of the Limerian root race and 1026 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,280 Speaker 1: are thus devolving into literal apes. Steiner called, for example, 1027 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,920 Speaker 1: Australian Aboriginal people quote stunted men whose descendants still inhabit 1028 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 1: certain parts of the earth today as so called savage tribes. Now, 1029 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,720 Speaker 1: Steiner believed that I still don't understand. I mean, I 1030 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,320 Speaker 1: can't believe people. I mean, it's just like there's just 1031 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,440 Speaker 1: you can just make I mean, this is all made up, 1032 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,800 Speaker 1: just made up, I mean, just make it up. I mean, 1033 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,080 Speaker 1: I just unbelievable. You just fucking just start just spouting 1034 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,200 Speaker 1: off about and you were practicals or whatever and have 1035 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,400 Speaker 1: a fucking ascot on and then that's about it. It's 1036 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,000 Speaker 1: all theater. It's like theater and racism combined. I mean, 1037 00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,320 Speaker 1: it's only theater and racism. If you don't believe he 1038 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 1: really read from the ghost Encyclopedia in space, right, yea, 1039 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,560 Speaker 1: who believes that? Who are these? Oh? God, I would 1040 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,880 Speaker 1: like to I mean ghost librarians for one, I guess, 1041 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,960 Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, they gotta work. Yeah. Now, Styner believed 1042 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,120 Speaker 1: that Japanese, Mongolian, and Inuit people were descendants of Atlantis, 1043 00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,280 Speaker 1: and he had a broadly positive attitude, well, a more 1044 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,600 Speaker 1: positive attitude towards them than you know, Native Americans or 1045 00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,360 Speaker 1: obviously black people. The best race, of course, was the 1046 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: Aryan race. I'm gonna quote from Rudolf Steiner. Now, we 1047 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,440 Speaker 1: are within the great root race of humanity that has 1048 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,520 Speaker 1: peopled the earth since the land on which we now 1049 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,800 Speaker 1: live rose up out of the inundation of the ocean. 1050 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,960 Speaker 1: Ever since the Atlantean race began slowly to disappear, the 1051 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,400 Speaker 1: Great Arian race has been the dominant one on Earth. 1052 00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,320 Speaker 1: If we contemplate ourselves, we here in Europe are thus 1053 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,880 Speaker 1: the fifth sub race of the great Aryan root race. 1054 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,600 Speaker 1: I wonder how he felt about frogs because frogs are 1055 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,160 Speaker 1: from the water. Yep, I thought they were like wise 1056 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,480 Speaker 1: man or something. He might have agreed with Alex Jones 1057 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,920 Speaker 1: on the subject of frogs and their sexuality. It's hard 1058 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,440 Speaker 1: to say frogs or some like remnant race that's on 1059 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,720 Speaker 1: the way out, like the bad stuff. When they were ghosts. Yeah, 1060 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,920 Speaker 1: frogs were terrible as ghosts. That's why they gotta live 1061 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,920 Speaker 1: in swamps. Now. Rudolf believed that every race or volk 1062 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,640 Speaker 1: had its own special aura that best fit in its 1063 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,320 Speaker 1: own specific homeland. He believed in something called Volksgeist, a 1064 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,160 Speaker 1: natural spirit embodied by an etheric being that spiritually led 1065 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:43,520 Speaker 1: that group of people. Now, if you have studied your Nazism, 1066 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:49,440 Speaker 1: that's essentially Nazism missing one or two little Yeah. Volksgeist 1067 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,640 Speaker 1: is a national spirit, the spirit of a nation, of 1068 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,480 Speaker 1: a specific homeland, of a racial people. That's a volks guys, 1069 00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,560 Speaker 1: like the Volksgeist is a national spirit that embodies like 1070 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,320 Speaker 1: this spirituality of a group of people, like an etheric 1071 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,160 Speaker 1: being who is like the soul of the German people, 1072 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:11,560 Speaker 1: for example, right, okay, yeah, yeah, So the Nazis didn't believe. Obviously, 1073 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Hitler was not an etheric being. He was a real person, 1074 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,240 Speaker 1: but the Nazis did very much believe that he was 1075 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:22,920 Speaker 1: the embodied national spirit of Ariannus of Germany. So again 1076 01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,240 Speaker 1: Steiner isn't it was not literally a Nazi. He died 1077 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,200 Speaker 1: in nineteen and was probably only broadly aware of Hitler 1078 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,440 Speaker 1: and his party. Um, but Hitler's own like the actual 1079 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,439 Speaker 1: beliefs that the Nazis inculcated once they came to power. Uh, 1080 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,440 Speaker 1: we're basically the same thing Rudolf Steiner's teaching, except with 1081 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,600 Speaker 1: instead of it being an etheric being, it's literally Hitler. 1082 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,520 Speaker 1: But it's the same idea that this birth, what happened, 1083 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,760 Speaker 1: what led into Nazism, And um, it's like if you 1084 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,280 Speaker 1: wanna if you want to be um like a dictator, 1085 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,480 Speaker 1: you look, you searched around for justifications and there was 1086 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:03,400 Speaker 1: a soup of convenient bullshit for them to pick from 1087 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,200 Speaker 1: in in that was that was happening around that time. 1088 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was like convenient, like without this guy 1089 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,280 Speaker 1: was a dumbass, but this this other person, just if 1090 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,440 Speaker 1: Hitler may have even thought this guy was a dumbass, 1091 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,520 Speaker 1: but he used him as a um, you know what 1092 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,240 Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, it's just this all becomes useful, 1093 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,720 Speaker 1: like these philosophies become a useful to someone who puts 1094 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,280 Speaker 1: them all together and says, here's why I need to 1095 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,640 Speaker 1: do this bad ship. Yeah, and it's you know, Steiner 1096 01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,640 Speaker 1: is not the only guy saying stuff like this and 1097 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,919 Speaker 1: lead up to the Nazis, like the Theosophical Society saying 1098 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,760 Speaker 1: similarly like he's part of like a constellation of thinkers 1099 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,520 Speaker 1: who prepares the intellectual soil in Germany for the kind 1100 01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,600 Speaker 1: of beliefs that the Nazis introduced. Um, like, he helps 1101 01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,880 Speaker 1: ready the soil. Although again I want to make it 1102 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,920 Speaker 1: very clear, he was not a Nazi himself, was not 1103 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,640 Speaker 1: a follower of Hitler's Yeah, back to racism. I'm gonna 1104 01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,840 Speaker 1: quote again from that stouten Meyer right up. That's the 1105 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,160 Speaker 1: professor from Marquette unit Versity who's done a lot of 1106 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,919 Speaker 1: the research on Rudolf Steiner. Quote. Steiner propagated a host 1107 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,479 Speaker 1: of racist myths about negroes. He taught that black people 1108 01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,880 Speaker 1: are sensual, instinct driven, primitive creatures ruled by their brain stem. 1109 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,560 Speaker 1: He denounced the immigration of blacks to Europe as terrible 1110 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,240 Speaker 1: and brutal, and decried its effects on blood and race. 1111 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,000 Speaker 1: He warned that white women shouldn't read Negro novels during pregnancy, 1112 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,960 Speaker 1: otherwise they'd have mulatto children. In nineteen two, he declared 1113 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,240 Speaker 1: the Negro race does not belong in Europe, and the 1114 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,200 Speaker 1: fact that this race is now playing such a large 1115 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,800 Speaker 1: role in Europe is of course nothing but a nuisance. 1116 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,919 Speaker 1: But the worst insult from an anthroposophical point of view 1117 01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,360 Speaker 1: is Steiner's dictum that people of color can't develop spiritually 1118 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,280 Speaker 1: on their own, they must either be educated by whites 1119 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,440 Speaker 1: or reincarnated in white skin. Europeans, in contrast, are the 1120 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,560 Speaker 1: most highly developed humans. Indeed, as Steiner said, Europe has 1121 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,440 Speaker 1: always been the origin of all human development, which I 1122 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:54,960 Speaker 1: think some people I know in the Middle East would 1123 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,760 Speaker 1: be a little bit pissed to hear that. But it's 1124 01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,680 Speaker 1: a argument for another day. For Steiner and for anthroposophy, 1125 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,760 Speaker 1: there is no doubt that whites are the ones who 1126 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,560 Speaker 1: develop humanity in themselves. The white race is the race 1127 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,880 Speaker 1: of the future, the spiritually creative race. Now this is 1128 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,160 Speaker 1: all very fucked up. The good news is that most 1129 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,960 Speaker 1: anthroposophists beliefs are you know, hidden away from the students 1130 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,640 Speaker 1: at Waldorf schools. This stuff is not like the general 1131 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,240 Speaker 1: curriculum at a Waldorf school um and a lot of 1132 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,720 Speaker 1: Steiner's work has been edited to make it fit into 1133 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,400 Speaker 1: the modern era, and it's been pruned of its racism 1134 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,880 Speaker 1: and just kind of turned into a more generically harmless, 1135 01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:36,960 Speaker 1: weird kind of occult new ag mishmash of nonsense. Uh. 1136 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,120 Speaker 1: The influence these deeper racist cult beliefs has on modern 1137 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,520 Speaker 1: Waldorf schools is not consistent from country to country or 1138 01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,200 Speaker 1: from institution to institution, but it is still definitely present 1139 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,680 Speaker 1: in some areas. In two thousand fourteen, the BBC reported 1140 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,600 Speaker 1: that diversity training was instituted on one Waldorf campus after quote, 1141 01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,480 Speaker 1: four white teachers asked to tick a box giving their 1142 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,000 Speaker 1: ethnicity ticked every box. They believe that had ascended through 1143 01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:05,520 Speaker 1: all the races. Now that's not a harmless belief, because 1144 01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,479 Speaker 1: that means that if you have a student who would 1145 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,800 Speaker 1: say black or hispanic or you know, any other kind 1146 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,920 Speaker 1: of non white race, you don't just believe that, like 1147 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,320 Speaker 1: you know what it's like to be them because you 1148 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,360 Speaker 1: lived that in the past life. You believe that you're 1149 01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,520 Speaker 1: better than them, because you ascended past their level of existence, 1150 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,000 Speaker 1: and that they're going to have to live and die 1151 01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,440 Speaker 1: before they can come back as a better skin color. 1152 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:34,240 Speaker 1: It's horrible, horrible, absolutely horrible. It's awful. Um now they're 1153 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,040 Speaker 1: reporting was based on the Department of Education memo on 1154 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,560 Speaker 1: this school in the UK, which revealed that at least 1155 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,640 Speaker 1: some Waldorf campuses were teaching children that Atlantis was a 1156 01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,320 Speaker 1: real thing, and if those kids were being taught Stanner's 1157 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,640 Speaker 1: ideas about Atlantis, they were probably being taught at least 1158 01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,800 Speaker 1: a few of his ideas about a racial hierarchy. And 1159 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,080 Speaker 1: again this is in two thousand and fourteen and the 1160 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,360 Speaker 1: United Kingdom. Yeah. In response to this, the Steiner Waldorf 1161 01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,000 Speaker 1: School's Fellowship, an umbrella group representing the community of walt 1162 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,560 Speaker 1: Or schools, said this, while the superficial reading of a 1163 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,960 Speaker 1: handful of Steiner's voluminous, extensive lectures present statements that appear 1164 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,720 Speaker 1: racist in modern terms, none of these occur in the 1165 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:17,480 Speaker 1: educational writings. See the idea that that was the Steiner 1166 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,080 Speaker 1: Waldorf Schools Fellowship, which is a group that represents these 1167 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:25,520 Speaker 1: schools collected and their spokesman Chris Angel. Yeah, Look, it's like, okay, 1168 01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:30,560 Speaker 1: superficially me saying that black people are a less evolved 1169 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,000 Speaker 1: race and are degenerating into an ape like species. That 1170 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:44,480 Speaker 1: sounds racist superficially, but just superficially, well boy, yeah it's 1171 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:49,160 Speaker 1: bad now SWSF, which is that that Umbrella Groups guidelines 1172 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,280 Speaker 1: published in two thousand eleven noted that in order to 1173 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,840 Speaker 1: be considered a Waldorf school, an institution needed to be 1174 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,240 Speaker 1: able to show that quote an anthroposophical impulse lies at 1175 01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,680 Speaker 1: the heart of planning for the school. And there's your ship. 1176 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,400 Speaker 1: Is racism in Rudolf Steiner's writings on anthroposophy. So it 1177 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,160 Speaker 1: does seem like there's got to inherently be some racism 1178 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,960 Speaker 1: in any of these schools that actually like stick to 1179 01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,160 Speaker 1: the heart of anthroposcopic teachings. That said, Waldorf schools are 1180 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,840 Speaker 1: very decentralized. They aren't part of a strict hierarchy, and 1181 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of variance between different schools. If you 1182 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,800 Speaker 1: went to a Waldorf school that seemed totally fine, I'm 1183 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,640 Speaker 1: not trying to say that you imbibed a bunch of 1184 01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:27,280 Speaker 1: stealth racism that said, maybe come through your memories and 1185 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,960 Speaker 1: see if there was some weirdness that you learned, like 1186 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,880 Speaker 1: never quite made sense to you, because there might be. 1187 01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,960 Speaker 1: If you meet a rich kid who's who's a racist 1188 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:42,200 Speaker 1: and has smallpox? You have the Waldorf school system to think. 1189 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, maybe we should check in with Jennifer Aniston. 1190 01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:50,960 Speaker 1: I mean, so it's all it's fucking rich people who 1191 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,840 Speaker 1: have nothing fucking to do, so they fill their time 1192 01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,720 Speaker 1: with a bunch of nonsense because they got nothing to 1193 01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:01,240 Speaker 1: fucking do. Yeah, it's really true. It's just a simple 1194 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,520 Speaker 1: matter of spare time. You've got nothing to fucking do 1195 01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,760 Speaker 1: and everything's going right, so you just make up a 1196 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,560 Speaker 1: bunch of ship to cause some trouble because you're bored 1197 01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,640 Speaker 1: out of your goddamn mind. I mean, that's where this 1198 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,760 Speaker 1: all comes from. I'm sure a lot of students today 1199 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,640 Speaker 1: in Waldorf schools. There's a lot of rich kids, but 1200 01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's also a lot of like middle class 1201 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,920 Speaker 1: and working class kids whose parents just sacrifice because they're like, well, 1202 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:22,600 Speaker 1: look at all of the great My kid wants to 1203 01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,439 Speaker 1: be a dancer, and a bunch of great dancers. Don't 1204 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,560 Speaker 1: trying to sell me Waldorf schools being good. I'm not 1205 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,520 Speaker 1: trying to sell high schools. I'm trying to point out, like, 1206 01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a bunch of parents who are who 1207 01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:33,400 Speaker 1: are like, and I'm sure it works out for some 1208 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,800 Speaker 1: of them. Have a lot of great dancers. Go to Waldorf. Robert, 1209 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,520 Speaker 1: it takes me. It takes it. First of all, we 1210 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:42,640 Speaker 1: don't need any more dancers. Second of all, Robbert, Robber, 1211 01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:44,600 Speaker 1: you have no idea how easy it is to make 1212 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,520 Speaker 1: me decide that I fucking hate something. I am so 1213 01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:52,320 Speaker 1: mad already. I want to go. Uh, you know, I 1214 01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,400 Speaker 1: want to write. As soon as I'm done with this podcast, 1215 01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna drink even more colebrew and just go to 1216 01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,040 Speaker 1: the nearest Waldorf school and uh find out what the 1217 01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,240 Speaker 1: punch of on. Yeah, just find out where the fun 1218 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:07,160 Speaker 1: is going on, like racist dancing, smallpox people. I was 1219 01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,040 Speaker 1: going to defend the people going there a little bit, 1220 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,720 Speaker 1: but I it sounds like more fun to declare, like 1221 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,920 Speaker 1: essentially an intellectual jihad on the concept of dancing. So 1222 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,320 Speaker 1: let's do that. I'm just just fucking rich people, fucking 1223 01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, not just adjusting to the fact that life 1224 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:27,640 Speaker 1: is essentially a one note situation. You fucking live and 1225 01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,840 Speaker 1: then you die, and there's no ghost libraries, and and 1226 01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,880 Speaker 1: as much as it's fun to poke around with the 1227 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,040 Speaker 1: idea that maybe there I believe in ghosts actually sort of, 1228 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,160 Speaker 1: But well then why not a ghost library. Well that's 1229 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,200 Speaker 1: the thing, is like, it's like, but just keep it 1230 01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,840 Speaker 1: within realize that this is something that you're doing as 1231 01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,800 Speaker 1: a hobby because you're bored. Don't take it seriously, for 1232 01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,639 Speaker 1: God's sake. For it's one thing to think maybe ghosts 1233 01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,920 Speaker 1: are real because you've got a day off and you've 1234 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,840 Speaker 1: got nothing better to do. But to fucking take that 1235 01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,200 Speaker 1: and run with it till you establish a school. Then 1236 01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,560 Speaker 1: you're an absolute moron. I mean, that's the thing is, 1237 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,640 Speaker 1: you're at actually a dumbass. The whole idea that you 1238 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,400 Speaker 1: would take your musings, the musings of a board human 1239 01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,479 Speaker 1: go every which way possible, and the fact that you 1240 01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,920 Speaker 1: would codify them and make a school out of your 1241 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,720 Speaker 1: dumbass musings while your board is just so maddening to 1242 01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,120 Speaker 1: me and also a perfect example of the egos of 1243 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,760 Speaker 1: these wealthy people that they decide that their own dumbass 1244 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,040 Speaker 1: musings are actually true. I mean, the things that cross 1245 01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:31,000 Speaker 1: people's minds, you know, are the fact that, oh God 1246 01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:32,960 Speaker 1: just makes me mad anyway. No, I mean, I I 1247 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,680 Speaker 1: agree with you about Steiner and the original people who 1248 01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,479 Speaker 1: cooked this up and the people who believe seriously in 1249 01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,960 Speaker 1: this stuff. It does. See like most of the parents 1250 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,160 Speaker 1: at these schools no none of this stuff. Like I'm 1251 01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,760 Speaker 1: gonna be willing to bet if you, like ask a 1252 01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,719 Speaker 1: bunch of parents at Waldorf school's what's anthroposophy, they wouldn't 1253 01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:49,280 Speaker 1: be able to give you like an answer. I don't 1254 01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,160 Speaker 1: have any kids, so I'm mad at parents to just 1255 01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,759 Speaker 1: generally oh yeah, like everybody involved in this whole story, 1256 01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,559 Speaker 1: if you send your kids to an alternative school, you 1257 01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,519 Speaker 1: should make sure that a guy who was like ten 1258 01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,800 Speaker 1: steps away from Hitler didn't come up with the philosophy 1259 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:09,400 Speaker 1: behind how it's taught. But yeah, anyway, um, like I said, 1260 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:11,759 Speaker 1: if you went to a Waldorf school, I'm very curious 1261 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,080 Speaker 1: for your experiences, but you may not have imbibed any 1262 01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,639 Speaker 1: racism from this podcast. If you get response from people 1263 01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,760 Speaker 1: who want to waltis what they got through it and 1264 01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,800 Speaker 1: just a great dancers and no racism, yeah, I'm sure 1265 01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,800 Speaker 1: they will. But there there are, there are, There is 1266 01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,240 Speaker 1: documented evidence of eruptions of dangerous racist bullshit within them. 1267 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,599 Speaker 1: Dancer he sees a racist with smallpox. All dancers are 1268 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,639 Speaker 1: racist and disease. That is the that's the official stance. 1269 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:47,599 Speaker 1: Piece of shit, you fucking Nazi. Oh yeah, I'm gonna 1270 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,360 Speaker 1: quote from Peter stadden Meyer again or Professor stott Meyer 1271 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,839 Speaker 1: again quote in. There was a scandal in the Netherlands 1272 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,400 Speaker 1: when it became publicly known that the Dutch Waldorf schools 1273 01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,920 Speaker 1: were teaching racial ethnography, where children learned that the black 1274 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,280 Speaker 1: race has thick lips and a sense of rhythm, and 1275 01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,360 Speaker 1: that the yellow race hides its emotions behind a permanent smile. 1276 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,240 Speaker 1: In nineteen nine four, the Steiner Wright lecturer Rayner Schnur, 1277 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,360 Speaker 1: at one of his frequent seminars for the Anthroposophist Adult 1278 01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,280 Speaker 1: school in Berlin, give a talk with a rather baffling title, 1279 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:20,080 Speaker 1: Overcoming Racism and Nationalism through Rudolph Steiner. According to a 1280 01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:25,240 Speaker 1: contemporary account, Schner emphasized the essential differences between races, noted 1281 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,920 Speaker 1: the infantile nature of blacks, an alleged that due to 1282 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,320 Speaker 1: immutable racial disparities, no equal in global system can be 1283 01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,000 Speaker 1: created for all people on Earth, and that because of 1284 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,240 Speaker 1: the differences between races, sending aid to the developing world 1285 01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:41,679 Speaker 1: is useless. What year was that, nineteen ninety four? Wow, 1286 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:47,080 Speaker 1: and that was in Amsterdam. That's in Berlin. Fucking slick 1287 01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,360 Speaker 1: Willie's the president in the United States and you're in Berlin, 1288 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,439 Speaker 1: and like, yeah, that's the kind of ship, people are saying. 1289 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,599 Speaker 1: Steiner supporters, when they acknowledge his racism, tend to try 1290 01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,400 Speaker 1: to write it off as him being a product of 1291 01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,080 Speaker 1: his time. And that's not an inherent currently unfair argument. 1292 01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,280 Speaker 1: There's a lot of great thinkers who believed racist ship 1293 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,200 Speaker 1: because it was the accepted wisdom in their day. And 1294 01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,840 Speaker 1: we shouldn't discount all of a person's ideas just because 1295 01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,679 Speaker 1: they grew up in a time where people like didn't 1296 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,080 Speaker 1: know things were bullshit. That are bullshit after all, people 1297 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,280 Speaker 1: they believe in the moon, and we wouldn't want future 1298 01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,559 Speaker 1: generations to ignore all of our philosophers just for that. However, 1299 01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,320 Speaker 1: the product of his time argument doesn't hold water in 1300 01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,960 Speaker 1: the case of Rudolf Steiner. Remember, according to anthroposophic belief, 1301 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,600 Speaker 1: he was reading all of this ship off of the 1302 01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:32,240 Speaker 1: Akashic records, which transcend time and space. So if anthroposophists 1303 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,759 Speaker 1: truly believe what their guru wrote down about the source 1304 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,719 Speaker 1: of his revelations, then when those revelations took place can't matter. 1305 01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,080 Speaker 1: If you actually are anthroposophists who believes in all of 1306 01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,519 Speaker 1: this stuff literally. That means that you have to take 1307 01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,519 Speaker 1: his race science stuff literally because he's not influenced by 1308 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,799 Speaker 1: the bias of his times. He's reading what the record 1309 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,280 Speaker 1: says about the nature of the black race and the 1310 01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,160 Speaker 1: yellow race and like whatever racist terms that he came 1311 01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,280 Speaker 1: up for for them. You can't like say both things. 1312 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:02,639 Speaker 1: You can't say you believe him. And then you also, 1313 01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,800 Speaker 1: I think he's a product of his times, yeah, exactly, 1314 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,880 Speaker 1: because he's not a product of his times. You think 1315 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,840 Speaker 1: he's invested with some sort of supernatural Yeah. Yeah, he 1316 01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:13,759 Speaker 1: can't be a product of his times because he's reading 1317 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,040 Speaker 1: the ghost books from you're giving you you're you're allowing 1318 01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:21,120 Speaker 1: this guy, uh extra normal power. I mean, part of 1319 01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,720 Speaker 1: this belief system is to believe that this man had 1320 01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:29,839 Speaker 1: some sort of supernatural power. Yeah, exactly, exactly, the supernatural site. Yeah, 1321 01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,320 Speaker 1: and that that these these race things he's talking about 1322 01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:36,040 Speaker 1: or somehow um you know, not only not only true, 1323 01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,080 Speaker 1: but but sort of sort of like you know, like 1324 01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,719 Speaker 1: in the written in the in the in the ether. 1325 01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,280 Speaker 1: I mean it's even more like it's even worse. It's 1326 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,720 Speaker 1: like this is this is definitely, this isn't even coming. 1327 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,000 Speaker 1: He's basically a vessel for this stuff. This is like 1328 01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:54,720 Speaker 1: divine truth. Yeah, it's divine like inherent truth. It's not 1329 01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,400 Speaker 1: even based on his deep theories. Yeah, that's cults ship. Yeah, 1330 01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:02,599 Speaker 1: that's that's yeah. Oh, it's definitely cult shit. Yeah. So 1331 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,559 Speaker 1: this is why people like Professor Stadenmeyer will argue that 1332 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:09,080 Speaker 1: anthroposophy is the covert curriculum. Those are his words of 1333 01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,559 Speaker 1: most Waldorf schools. There is evidence that in internal forum 1334 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,280 Speaker 1: discussions online, anthroposophist educators have been caught talking about their 1335 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,360 Speaker 1: belief that karma and reincarnation is quote the basis of 1336 01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,880 Speaker 1: all true education, and just as children choose their parents 1337 01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,959 Speaker 1: before birth, many anthroposophist teachers believe that teachers and students 1338 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,320 Speaker 1: choose one another ethereally as well. I'm going to quote 1339 01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,719 Speaker 1: from Peter Stadenmeyer one more time. The curriculum at Waldorf 1340 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:37,160 Speaker 1: schools is structured around the stages of spiritual maturation positive 1341 01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,519 Speaker 1: by anthroposophy. From one to seven years, a child develops 1342 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,280 Speaker 1: his or her physical body, from seven to fourteen years 1343 01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,479 Speaker 1: the etheric body, and from fourteen to twenty one the 1344 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,120 Speaker 1: astral body. These stages are supposed to be marked by 1345 01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,679 Speaker 1: physical changes. Thus, kindergarteners at Waldorf schools can't enter first 1346 01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,439 Speaker 1: grade until they begun to lose their baby teeth. In addition, 1347 01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,760 Speaker 1: each pupil is classified according to the medieval theory of humors. 1348 01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,920 Speaker 1: A Waldorf child is either melancholic, hilaric, sanguine, or phlegmatic. 1349 01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,559 Speaker 1: The categorization is in part based on the child's external 1350 01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,280 Speaker 1: physical appearance and is treated accordingly by the teachers. We 1351 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:12,799 Speaker 1: all know the medieval humor philosophy of it was absolutely correct, 1352 01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,040 Speaker 1: which is why people lived so long in the medieval era. 1353 01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,160 Speaker 1: For the nurse's office at their schools, like just just 1354 01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of leeches in the jar. It's an axe 1355 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,439 Speaker 1: on a table. Yeah, I don't want to go to 1356 01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:29,559 Speaker 1: the nurse she puts that snake on me. Send me 1357 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:35,800 Speaker 1: to the crayon. Now, I can't it won't speculate on 1358 01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,640 Speaker 1: how all this might have influenced famous Waldorf grads like 1359 01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,120 Speaker 1: Jennifer Anison. I can't say. Yeah, I'm deeply curious. I 1360 01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,880 Speaker 1: want Okay, first of all, I've always wanted to be 1361 01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,800 Speaker 1: a fly. I mean I would give my right arm 1362 01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,639 Speaker 1: to hear just forty five minutes of conversation between Justin 1363 01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,200 Speaker 1: Throw and Jennifer Aniston, you know, a dinner. I mean, 1364 01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,960 Speaker 1: I would normally like just because I can only imagine 1365 01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,519 Speaker 1: how fucking stupid it would be, not because they're necessarily stupid, 1366 01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,240 Speaker 1: but because are in this bubble that would just make 1367 01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,280 Speaker 1: what they would talk about be so uniquely weird that 1368 01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:10,720 Speaker 1: there's a certain level of fame and exclusion from normality 1369 01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,120 Speaker 1: where you can't talk about things that don't sound like 1370 01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:17,040 Speaker 1: insane bullshit. To anybody who already figured, listening to Justin 1371 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,120 Speaker 1: Throwing Jennifer Anniston would be fascinating, you know, in a 1372 01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,080 Speaker 1: way that would be, you know, fascinating in a sense 1373 01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,559 Speaker 1: of like, holy fuck, these people are out of touch, 1374 01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,320 Speaker 1: but then to imagine them having Now, I just want 1375 01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,160 Speaker 1: forty can anyone who's listening to this podcast, does anyone 1376 01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:36,360 Speaker 1: have forty five minutes of overheard? I asked our listeners 1377 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:40,240 Speaker 1: to wire tap a lot of different people, So maybe 1378 01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:45,479 Speaker 1: add Jennifer Anniston and h just Throw Jennifer Preston dated 1379 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,920 Speaker 1: can you imagine their breakup? They probably said that it 1380 01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:51,440 Speaker 1: was to do with some kind of PASSI The Ecashak 1381 01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,519 Speaker 1: Records wrote about that what happened. Yeah there, Like it 1382 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,720 Speaker 1: was like, Jennifer, I have to break up with you 1383 01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:03,720 Speaker 1: because I think my most child was I don't know, 1384 01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,120 Speaker 1: it just wasn't up to snuff. I mean, she's like, 1385 01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,640 Speaker 1: it's entirely possible. If like, if Jennifer Aniston listened to 1386 01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:12,519 Speaker 1: this podcast, she would just be going like what the 1387 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,360 Speaker 1: fuck for real? Oh that's why that one teacher said 1388 01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,960 Speaker 1: that weird thing about root races like that. Yeah, yeah, 1389 01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,400 Speaker 1: so yeah. One Waldorf school in King's Langley, England, was 1390 01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,720 Speaker 1: shut down in two thousands seventeen following a series of 1391 01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,280 Speaker 1: failed safety inspections. A Department of Education report noted, they 1392 01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,519 Speaker 1: pupil say that they are safe, but they are not 1393 01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,040 Speaker 1: because of flaws in the school systems and procedures for 1394 01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,960 Speaker 1: safeguarding and child protection. So it does seem like again 1395 01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,559 Speaker 1: and this is something like the former students who are 1396 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,599 Speaker 1: critical of the schools do say, I we all really 1397 01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,000 Speaker 1: enjoyed our time there. It seemed like a really good place. 1398 01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:46,720 Speaker 1: It was only kind of later that you started to 1399 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,280 Speaker 1: realize there was some weird ship going on. Um. In 1400 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,200 Speaker 1: this case, the closing seems to have been due to 1401 01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,640 Speaker 1: the school's failure to abide by basic safety rules and 1402 01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,759 Speaker 1: not directly due to their wacky occult beliefs. The Waldorf 1403 01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,840 Speaker 1: School in Garden City, Long Island, however, was nearly shut 1404 01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:05,800 Speaker 1: down vehicle beliefs. Yeah is my hometown. That's where I 1405 01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,120 Speaker 1: went to Thanksgiving every year growing up. Yeah. The the 1406 01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,280 Speaker 1: student that we read about who was talking about like 1407 01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,439 Speaker 1: how some of his teachers would drop weird ship about 1408 01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:18,880 Speaker 1: race science and stuff. That's where he went. Oh yeah, yeah. 1409 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,200 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy nine, and The New York Times published 1410 01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:26,559 Speaker 1: this very fun article titled psychic X student's influence shakes 1411 01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:33,120 Speaker 1: Waldorf School. That's a great headline. The issues started by 1412 01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,679 Speaker 1: talking about the Garden Cities Waldorf Schools teacher training program, 1413 01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,120 Speaker 1: which trained roughly twenty student teachers per year to take 1414 01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,559 Speaker 1: positions in one of the dozens upon dozens of Waldorf 1415 01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:46,160 Speaker 1: schools operating at the time. Quote what was described by 1416 01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,080 Speaker 1: one parent as internal chaos began when Mr Walton, who 1417 01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,160 Speaker 1: has said that he is able to communicate with certain 1418 01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,400 Speaker 1: beings in the spiritual world, allegedly used these powers to 1419 01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:57,519 Speaker 1: advise school officials on matters ranging from language curriculum to 1420 01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,600 Speaker 1: what music to play at a school. Dance as his 1421 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,120 Speaker 1: influen and s reportedly grew among leading faculty members and 1422 01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,320 Speaker 1: with John F. Gardner, a former headmaster and at the 1423 01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,400 Speaker 1: time director of the Waldorf Institute, other staff and faculty 1424 01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,800 Speaker 1: members became resentful, called a meeting and voted to seek 1425 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,200 Speaker 1: the resignations of those who accepted his suggestions. So we 1426 01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:14,920 Speaker 1: see a couple of things here. One is that the 1427 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,560 Speaker 1: student basically claims to have the same thing happened to 1428 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,599 Speaker 1: him that happened to Steiner, where suddenly he can talk 1429 01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,519 Speaker 1: to spirits and like a bunch of high level teachers 1430 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,920 Speaker 1: go along with him and change the school's policies based 1431 01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,160 Speaker 1: on this guy's what this guy says, ghosts told him. 1432 01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,880 Speaker 1: It's it was like he was like the rest putin 1433 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:35,000 Speaker 1: of yeah, the Waldorf school. Yeah, but in what you know, 1434 01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,080 Speaker 1: you got to point out a couple of times just 1435 01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,839 Speaker 1: for the sake of fairness. Other members of the faculty 1436 01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:44,240 Speaker 1: were like, this is bullshit, like yeah, made him resign 1437 01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,320 Speaker 1: and stuff. So like it it is a scandal, and 1438 01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,040 Speaker 1: it's it is emblematic of some problems within the Waldorf schools. 1439 01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,840 Speaker 1: It also suggests that a number of the staff and 1440 01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:57,520 Speaker 1: faculty are not howling lunatics who believe in ghost libraries. 1441 01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,280 Speaker 1: So I do want to be fair. This is a 1442 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,960 Speaker 1: long time past Steiner's death, and there's evidence that, like some, 1443 01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,680 Speaker 1: a lot of them don't believe the craziest parts of 1444 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,320 Speaker 1: this belief system. Now, in spite of the scandal in 1445 01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,000 Speaker 1: the Garden City Waldorf School continue to operate and is 1446 01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,680 Speaker 1: still teaching students to this day. It is one of 1447 01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,800 Speaker 1: a thousand operating Waldorf schools on the planet. There are 1448 01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,479 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty in North America some parts of 1449 01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,639 Speaker 1: the world. Yeah that's three parts. Yeah, that is three estate. 1450 01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,599 Speaker 1: In some parts of the world, like the United Kingdom, 1451 01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,280 Speaker 1: several of these institutes even received public funding. At any 1452 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,040 Speaker 1: given point in time, several hundred thousand children are enrolled 1453 01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:37,320 Speaker 1: in taking classes using lesson plants based in anthroposophy, a 1454 01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:41,560 Speaker 1: fundamentally racist philosophy. And it gets worse because racism is 1455 01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,640 Speaker 1: not the only horrifying thing at the core of anthroposophy. 1456 01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:48,599 Speaker 1: See Rudolf Steiner was a very influential academic in Germany 1457 01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,000 Speaker 1: during World War One. He'd been a friend of helm 1458 01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,479 Speaker 1: With von Moltka, the chief of the German General staff, 1459 01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:57,840 Speaker 1: until his death in nineteen sixteen. Sorry, there's just nobody 1460 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,560 Speaker 1: that there's an know there are no people in the 1461 01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:06,000 Speaker 1: world who fucking were more dangerous than German academics during 1462 01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:10,439 Speaker 1: the Old War One. Yeah, I mean, if we go 1463 01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:15,360 Speaker 1: back in time and take all the fucking academies of 1464 01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,439 Speaker 1: of Germany during World War One and just dump them 1465 01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,760 Speaker 1: into a volcano, would be better off? Yeah, maybe, like 1466 01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,919 Speaker 1: all of the people with any position of power whatsoever 1467 01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,400 Speaker 1: in Germany and World War One and dumping it that 1468 01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,880 Speaker 1: was a dangerous God, the people who are like philosophizing 1469 01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:38,439 Speaker 1: in Germany during World War One or king dangerous motherfucker's Yeah. Now. 1470 01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,439 Speaker 1: After von Moltke's death in nineteen sixteen, Steiner continued to 1471 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,559 Speaker 1: channel his ghost and ask it for advice. As bady 1472 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,519 Speaker 1: as this sounds, he was held in not insignificant influence 1473 01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:52,120 Speaker 1: among the German leadership, of course, yeah, of course not. 1474 01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,400 Speaker 1: He's talking to our old general. They're ready, they're ready 1475 01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:01,760 Speaker 1: for as these stuffy older aristocrats and their ridiculous hats 1476 01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,960 Speaker 1: watched the Bolshevik revolutions sweep through Russia and listen to 1477 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,639 Speaker 1: Woodrow Wilson sketch out his ideas on self determination, Rudolf 1478 01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,439 Speaker 1: Steiner was hard at work providing them with an alternate 1479 01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,880 Speaker 1: theory for how the world could be reorganized after the war. 1480 01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,480 Speaker 1: He called this the tripartite structuring of the social organism. 1481 01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:24,680 Speaker 1: Modern anthropost sophists call it social threefolding or the threefold commonwealth. 1482 01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:29,120 Speaker 1: Here's how stalden Miter describes what that is. Quote. The 1483 01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,000 Speaker 1: three branches of this scheme, which resembles both fascist and 1484 01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,280 Speaker 1: semi feudal corportus models, are the state, political, military and 1485 01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,559 Speaker 1: police functions, the economy, and the cultural sphere. This last 1486 01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:42,559 Speaker 1: fear encompasses all judicial, educational, intellectual, and spiritual matters which 1487 01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:46,000 Speaker 1: are to be administered by corporations, with individuals free to 1488 01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:50,240 Speaker 1: choose their school, church, court, etcetera. Anthropists ophists consider this 1489 01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:54,160 Speaker 1: threefold structure to be naturally ordained. Its central axiom is 1490 01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,200 Speaker 1: that the modern integration of politics, economy, and culture into 1491 01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:01,280 Speaker 1: an ostensibly democratic framework must falter, because, according to Steiner, 1492 01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,360 Speaker 1: neither the economy nor cultural life can or should be 1493 01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:08,479 Speaker 1: structured democratically. The cultural sphere, which Diner defined very broadly, 1494 01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,320 Speaker 1: is a realm of individual achievement, where the most talented 1495 01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,240 Speaker 1: and capable should predominate, and the economy was never be 1496 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,679 Speaker 1: subject to democratic public control because then it would collapse. 1497 01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,400 Speaker 1: Steiner's economic and political naivete are encapsulated in his claim 1498 01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:25,800 Speaker 1: that capitalism will become a legitimate capitalism if it is spiritualized. 1499 01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,800 Speaker 1: This is diner Still, this is the same guy. Is 1500 01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,080 Speaker 1: the same fucking guy. He had so many ideas, and 1501 01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:35,599 Speaker 1: they're all terrible. I mean, they're so they're very much 1502 01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,880 Speaker 1: like I mean, I guess maybe we'll get to this later. 1503 01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,760 Speaker 1: But the the fact is that what's going on in 1504 01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,840 Speaker 1: the American government right now is that there's that ship 1505 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:51,519 Speaker 1: is going on like that, this whole school belief of 1506 01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:55,200 Speaker 1: like getting rid of public education and like this. You know, 1507 01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm not saying charter schools are necessarily associated with racism 1508 01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,639 Speaker 1: or but but the idea of what's her face, who's 1509 01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:06,920 Speaker 1: the head of the education department, Like I would not 1510 01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:12,000 Speaker 1: be surprised if eugenics played some you know, whether she 1511 01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,920 Speaker 1: realizes it or not. Her and her brother, Erik Prince, 1512 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,840 Speaker 1: they have these ideas of like Judeo Christian values that 1513 01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,880 Speaker 1: are under attack, and I mean there's a lot of 1514 01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:25,720 Speaker 1: that kind of mysticism under it's it's it's, it's, it's, 1515 01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:31,800 Speaker 1: it's underlying modern conservatism as well in America. Um, they 1516 01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:35,759 Speaker 1: don't call it mysticism. They call it, Uh, make America 1517 01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,719 Speaker 1: great again. But this this, this make America great again? 1518 01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,240 Speaker 1: But this great again has a sort of mystical quality 1519 01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,800 Speaker 1: to it because it's they can't really define what that means. 1520 01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,880 Speaker 1: And it has a lot to do, of course, or 1521 01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,400 Speaker 1: is entirely to do with race. But you know, make 1522 01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,320 Speaker 1: America great again is is a mystical slogan because it 1523 01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,639 Speaker 1: doesn't it's not grounded in reality. It's just it's it's 1524 01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,960 Speaker 1: it's something that's open to interpretation. I mean, it's the 1525 01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,720 Speaker 1: whole shining city on a hill idea of America is 1526 01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:06,480 Speaker 1: a mystical bullshit. Uh. People love that ship and it's 1527 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,360 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I would not be surprised if Betsy Devas 1528 01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:15,200 Speaker 1: uh uh has read this man, Rudolf st You know, 1529 01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:20,320 Speaker 1: to be honest, I guess the person in American politics 1530 01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,200 Speaker 1: right now who he had a lot more influence on 1531 01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:27,559 Speaker 1: than Betsy Divas is Mary Ann Williamson. And we are 1532 01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:32,080 Speaker 1: going to talk about that and Rudolf Steiner's history with 1533 01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:35,760 Speaker 1: the Nazis and how we invented organic farming in Part 1534 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:40,439 Speaker 1: two of this Jesus Christ was relentless. This dude had 1535 01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,639 Speaker 1: There's still so much gas left in the tank wild Yeah, 1536 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,960 Speaker 1: but you know what it's time for now what it's 1537 01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,320 Speaker 1: for time for you to plug your plugubles? Oh is 1538 01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,640 Speaker 1: it right? Um? Yeah, yeah yeah. This is at the 1539 01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:59,080 Speaker 1: end of the first episode on Steiner. Um. God, I've 1540 01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,000 Speaker 1: had this fucking sinus infection for well it's not even 1541 01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:05,200 Speaker 1: a science infection. It's just like endless sinus shit for 1542 01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:09,760 Speaker 1: a month. Anyway. Um, you can hear me complain about 1543 01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,920 Speaker 1: my sinuses on Twitter at the Crofton Show or on 1544 01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:19,880 Speaker 1: my Instagram Chris Underscore Crofton and uh, I do my 1545 01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,720 Speaker 1: famous Colebrew Got Me Like series on there, which is 1546 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:27,679 Speaker 1: just very important. And um, and I write an advice 1547 01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,320 Speaker 1: column called The Advice King for the Nashville scene and 1548 01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,559 Speaker 1: you should google the Advice King and read all of them. 1549 01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,800 Speaker 1: There's like two d and they're all fucking good. And 1550 01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:41,040 Speaker 1: you should go listen to my record, Um, hello, it's me, 1551 01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,479 Speaker 1: which came out last year and got a seven point 1552 01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:50,680 Speaker 1: four on Pitchfork and you can find me, uh not 1553 01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:55,080 Speaker 1: on Pitchfork, but often brandishing a pitchfork. A passers by 1554 01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:59,479 Speaker 1: on the Highway. Um, I just I love pitchforking. It's 1555 01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,519 Speaker 1: a an art as much as it is a science. 1556 01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,439 Speaker 1: You can find this uh podcast on the Internet at 1557 01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,160 Speaker 1: behind the Bastards dot com. You can find us on 1558 01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,160 Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter at at bastards pod. You can find 1559 01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:13,800 Speaker 1: me on Twitter at I right, okay. Uh. You can 1560 01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,360 Speaker 1: find Waldorf schools in the real world by finding a 1561 01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:23,360 Speaker 1: rich kid who wants to dance well uh yeah, shouting 1562 01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:28,720 Speaker 1: that out of them. Um so um. That's the end 1563 01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,880 Speaker 1: of the episode until Thursday and part two. I just 1564 01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,280 Speaker 1: want everyone to remember that at one point in his life, 1565 01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,320 Speaker 1: Joe Biden almost got into a knife fight with a 1566 01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:37,599 Speaker 1: guy nicknamed corn Pop.