1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Welcome back 5 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Matt nol Is on 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: an adventure they called me Ben. When you're joined as 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: always with our super producer Paul Mission Control decade. Most importantly, 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Uh mission control 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 1: quick check in thumbs up, thumbs down. Oh wow, it's 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: a thumbs up with a with an on and onward 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: and upward motion. So someone's excited about the weekend. It 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: is Friday as we record this. How about you, Matt 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: and your big plans. Oh, I'm so excited to mow 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: my lawn and clean the house and do things that 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: I don't always get to do. You're not going to 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: storm Area fifty one. I thought about it and find 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: them aliens. Uh No, and probably not just a shout 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: out here. There's a there's a I guess a petition 20 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: going around right now as we are recording this that 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: was just popping up in the news. CNN, Times Magazine, 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: everybody's talking about it. Um, just a heads up. If 23 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna storm a secret government facility, don't give him 24 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: a giant heads up that they're gonna be thousands of 25 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: you coming. Well, maybe it is smart to give them 26 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: heads up so you don't get shot. But at the 27 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: same time, if there are extraterrestrial bodies kept somewhere on 28 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: Groom Lake, they're not going to be there when you 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: when you get there. It's a very good point. Uh. 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: Let me perhaps comment on this with an anecdote from 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: a friend of mine who attempted to visit area of 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: fifty one with his brother once on a road trip, 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: and interest of anonymity, I'm not going to give their names. 34 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: This is, however, a true story. So they wanted to 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: on a great trip out west see how close they 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: could get to Area fifty one. The places surrounded by 37 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: signs that do notify you know, do notify you of 38 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: when something is considered trespassing, and also notify you that 39 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: it is legal for Uncle Sam to use lethal force 40 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: on anyone past that point. Uh, there will be no 41 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: legal repercussions, There will be no class action lawsuit, there 42 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: will be no help for you if you cross that 43 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: line and get popped. So this guy's experience went the 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: following way. They had taken and believe his brother's truck, 45 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: and they had driven up as close as they could 46 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: get and they kind of got out, uh, in front 47 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: of one of those signs. But as they're getting out, 48 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: they see a glint in the distance that they would 49 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: later recognize as a sniper rifle. Uh. They were also Uh, 50 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: they were also approached by very aggressive military vehicles driving 51 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: at them. Oh. Actually wait, no, they didn't manage to 52 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: get out of the truck. I think they stopped the 53 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: truck they saw the glint, and then the vehicles came 54 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: after them, so they turned around and started high tail 55 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: it out. Uh, they got rammed, they got fish tailed. Uh. 56 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: And then you know, like what I mean by fish 57 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: tailed is one of the military vehicles purposely swiped the 58 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: back end of their truck such that they almost lost 59 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: control of the vehicle. So it was exactly exactly so Matt. Uh. 60 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: So they escaped with a lesson learned, and I'm sure 61 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: they will never visit again. But if you are one 62 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: of those people who genuinely thinks that you will storm 63 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: area fifty one with thousands and thousands of others. Or 64 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: if you are one of those people who thinks you 65 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: will storm and die in the process, uh, and you survived, 66 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: let us know how it goes. Today's episode is about 67 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: another nefarious activity of Uncle Sam. Internationally speaking, the Central 68 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: Intelligence Agency is one of the United states most well known, 69 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: and some would say infamous, branches of government. It was 70 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: created on Paul's birthday on September. Although he is not 71 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: this old, it was a ninety seven when it was 72 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: created and this uh. The official duty of the CIA 73 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: is to collect, analyze, evaluate, and disseminate foreign intelligence to 74 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: assist the President and senior US government policymakers in making 75 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: decisions relating to national security. That's a pretty Legit seems 76 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: pretty good, seems like something that we would want to 77 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: do as a country, as a a state government. Right 78 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: on the offset, this doesn't sound too egregious, doesn't. After all? 79 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: Governments need to know what's happening in the world around us, 80 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: especially when it may have an effect on domestic affairs, 81 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: and these days, in the globally interconnected society in which 82 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: we live, or maybe survive is a better word, these 83 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: sorts of foreign affairs nearly always have some sort of 84 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: measurable effect on domestic affairs. However, if you have checked 85 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: out any episode of this show ever, ever, ever in 86 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: the past, then you know that the CIA has been 87 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: involved in multitudes of less than above the board activities 88 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: over the past six decades. We're talking assassinations, corporate corruption 89 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: like overthrowing a country to help the bottom line of 90 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: US based corporation, covert activities not approved by Congress, and 91 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: frankly bizarre experiments. Today's episode is about that last one. 92 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: So here are the facts. The CIA has done tons 93 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: and tons and tons of stuff. Not all of these 94 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: activities seemed directly related to foreign intelligence and national security. 95 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: They're kind of, um, a to C thinking rather than 96 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: a to be thinking, Yeah, how do we get to 97 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: that end goal? Sometimes that end goal is how do 98 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: we make a person who is being interrogated more susceptible 99 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: to telling us all the information we want? As in 100 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: MK Ultra, that's that's the CIA mind control program that 101 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: we made I believe two episodes about recently. Check those 102 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: out and can also find some videos on that that 103 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 1: we've covered. Um, how do we take out a large 104 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: number of people, perhaps in a way that wouldn't indicate 105 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: traditional weaponry like traditional munitions. There you go, here's some 106 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: biological warfare for you, um, perhaps finding a way to 107 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: kill someone without letting anyone else know that the CIA 108 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: was involved, or the United States or anyone else. In fact, 109 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: um unorthodox assassinations, poisoning wet suits, exploding cigars like we 110 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: talked about on the of the Fidel Castro cube episode, 111 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: or how about just biological warfare experiments on the citizens 112 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: of the United States, which is a true story. There 113 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: are various accounts of the Central Intelligence Agency dispersing contaminants 114 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: or substances meant to impersonate contaminants over large swath's population 115 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: centers here in the US, more or less to see 116 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: what would happen. The CIA has also experimented with hypnosis, 117 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: and honestly, in comparison to some of their other research avenues, 118 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: this is pretty tame. This is sort of a slow 119 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: news day for the CIA, one would think, at least, 120 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: But what what exactly is hypnosis? What do we mean 121 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: when we say hypnosis? Nowadays it's widely misunderstood, and this 122 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: is due primarily to its depiction in works of fiction. 123 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: One film that I Love in Particular is a real 124 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: blockbuster when it came out. It's a cabinet dr caligary 125 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: in which a somnambulist or a sleepwalker is turned into 126 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: a monster sort of a a predecessor of what we 127 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: call the Manchurian candidate today, and through the power of hypnosis, 128 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: the epononymous villain of the film creates this killing machine. 129 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: That's not how hypnosis works. That's at least that's not 130 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: what the science shows us. Hypnosis is not a process 131 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: wherein someone can be turned into a killing machine, forced 132 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: to harm themselves, or really even forced to do something 133 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: that they wouldn't have done normally, you know what I mean, 134 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: sort of like the reason why being drunk is not 135 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: a good excuse for someone's behavior. It's not something you 136 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: would never have done. It's just something that you would 137 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: do when you are less inhibited or less aware of 138 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: the consequences of your actions. Hypnosis is also not a 139 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: good tool for researching hidden trauma or suppressed memories, because, 140 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: as long time listeners know, you can implant false memories 141 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: and people very very very easily. So what is hypnosis instead? 142 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: What what do we mean when we say that the 143 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: Cia was experimenting with real hypnosis. What are we talking about. Well, 144 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: it's really a trance state that you can put somebody in, 145 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: and you know what, it is characterized by extreme suggestibility, 146 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: and that's where you bring in being able to plant 147 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: memories into somebody by you know, just leading someone down 148 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: a path of suggestion. Right. It also has to do 149 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: with relaxation heightened imagination. But it isn't exactly the way 150 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: because when you hear that, maybe you think about sleep 151 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: or that sleepy feeling that you'll get sometimes when you're 152 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: a bit out of it, as you might put it, 153 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: as I would put it, um, but it isn't really 154 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: like sleep because the subject, the person who is under hypnosis, 155 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: is alert the entire time that they are undergoing hypnosis. 156 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: It's um a lot of times compared to day dreaming, 157 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: or at least the feeling of losing yourself in a 158 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: book or a movie, or maybe that that kind of 159 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: feeling you get when you come to alertness again after 160 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: you've been driving in a car for a long time 161 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: and you realize, oh wow, I've gone three or four 162 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: miles and I can't recall any of the exits or 163 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: any of the things that just occurred, and have to 164 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,599 Speaker 1: reiterate this. You are fully conscious when you are under hypnosis, 165 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: but you do tune out all of the other stuff 166 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: that's occurring around you, all the stimuli. You focus intently 167 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: on whatever is at hand, the subject at hand. Uh. 168 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: If someone speaking to you and like leading you through hypnosis, 169 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: that is the only thing that's occurring. Those those words, 170 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: the sounds basically coming towards you. Yeah, think about flow state. 171 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: Flow state is when, for new athletes in the audience, 172 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: you feel that you are in the zone. Maybe you're 173 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: so focused the time seems to slow it. Maybe you 174 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: don't hear things the way that you would normally hear them. 175 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: If you're outside of the flow state. In the everyday 176 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: trance of say Walter Midiesque flight of fancy, or let's 177 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: say watching a film that you're very into, an imaginary 178 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: world seems somewhat more real. We suspend our disbelief and 179 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: this this primarily translates to a work of fiction or unreality, 180 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: fully engaging our emotions. That's why people have a cathartic 181 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: experience when they see tragedies or when they watch love stories. 182 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: These imaginary events can cause you to experience genuine fear, sadness, 183 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: or happiness. This is also, by the way, the reason 184 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: that jump scares in horror films work. You know that 185 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: you're in a theater with maybe eighty or more people, 186 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: or you know that you're the only person in your 187 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: house but that creepy girl from the ring. Am I right? 188 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: Some researchers categorize all of these trances as forms of 189 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: self hypnosis. There's a hypnotism expert back in the twentieth 190 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: century named Milton Ericson and Ericsson believed that most people 191 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: hypnotize themselves on a daily basis. And for those of 192 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: us listening who say, oh, well, I am unhypnotize herble, 193 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: I've never been in a trance state. If you've ever 194 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: been on a road trip for more than about three hours, 195 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: I can guarantee that you have entered something like this. 196 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: It is the way the human mechanism works. Most psychiatrists 197 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: don't focus on this accidental sneak up on your trance state. 198 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: They focus on intentional relaxation focusing exercises you know what 199 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: I mean, Like breathe deep counter breaths. Imagine that there 200 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: is a waterfall or you're slowly floating away from your 201 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: body as we count down from ten to one. That, yeah, 202 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: it's almost the focused meditation kind of things, or guided meditation, 203 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: or a s MR kinds of things. This deep hypnosis 204 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: is often compared to that sort of reverie we encounter 205 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: between wakefulness and sleep, which is for a lot of people, 206 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: the most amazing part of their day. And I would 207 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: say that all of this we're discussing right here reminds 208 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: me of the feeling you get when you're deeply immersed 209 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: in a video game. And I think it's probably almost 210 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: more powerful in that respect, because even though your body 211 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: is reacting, your fingers are touching some control mechanism, your 212 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: entire consciousness is existing in whatever that imaginary world is 213 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: um on your screen. However you're experiencing the video game, 214 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: especially in a VR setting or something um to, where 215 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: all of the external stimuli, especially if you're wearing headphones, 216 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: just goes away. Um, that's just what I'm thinking. I'm 217 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: hearing all of this, agreed. In conventional hypnosis, we approached 218 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: the suggestion of our hypnotists or you know yourself if 219 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: you're the hypnotist, as if they were reality. But on 220 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: some level we are always aware that this is not 221 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: the concrete, you know, baseline reality. It's it's like we're 222 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: playing pretend, similar to when you play games as children, 223 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: but on a more intense level. And in this particular 224 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: mental state, people do feel uninhibited and do feel relaxed. 225 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: Presumably this is because you get a bit further away 226 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: cognitively from the worries and doubts that usually keep our 227 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: actions in check. This all leads to subjects of hypnotism 228 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: also being highly suggestible, which is how you can hypnotize 229 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: someone and convince them that they had an experience they 230 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: just now remember bird right, and then boom, you can 231 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: write a book. So and this has been the path 232 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: for a lot of unethical therapists, especially in the nineties 233 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: and eighties. By the way, this is this is how 234 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: stage magicians can get people to do things that are 235 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: endearing but not dangerous. However, the CIA did not research 236 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: hypnotism to make people squawk like chickens or learn to 237 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: chill acts and be laid back a f Instead, they 238 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: did this to teach their agents psychic powers. And we'll 239 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: get into that right after a word from our sponsor. 240 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. Yes, that is correct, The 241 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: CIA researched psychic powers or extra sensory perception a k a. ESP. Yeah, 242 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: it's a lot like something we've discussed on this show before. 243 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: Remote viewing, remember this remote viewing them in Project Stargate, 244 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: that whole military program from seventy eight, probably seeing the 245 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: movie The Menu stare At Goats loosely based on that 246 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: or somewhat based on that, And the CIA had this 247 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: whole separate program specifically to research potential of remote viewing 248 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: and you know, in in this like kind of weird 249 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: sci fi way, to unlock those powers of the human mind, 250 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: the ones that have been hidden away or that we 251 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: forgot about or we just don't realize when we're on 252 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: this corporeal plane that we that we have. And they 253 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: did not go into this endeavor alone. They partnered out, 254 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: they contracted out. They went to a place called the 255 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: Monroe Institute. From the late nineteen seventies into the nineteen eighties, 256 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: the CIA paid for intelligence officers to go on week 257 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: long excursions to an out of the way place called 258 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: the Monroe Institute. The Monroe Institute specialized out of body 259 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: experiences and astral projection, and Matt you had you had 260 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: done a little bit of digging on the namesake of 261 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: the Monroe Institute. Correct, Yeah, yeah, I did. There's this 262 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: guy named Robert A. Monroe. He is a fascinating subject. 263 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: He was an executive for broadcast radio in several different respects, 264 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: several different Uh, I don't know. I guess you can 265 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: call it stations. He ended up making his own company, 266 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: and as part of his company that he created, he 267 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: was doing a lot of research into audio and one 268 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: thing that just kind of happened to occur. As he's 269 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: doing all this research on how audio affects listeners, uh, 270 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: other new things we can do with audio? How can 271 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: we influence people who are listening? Uh? He stumbled upon 272 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: this idea that perhaps through tones, we can influence the 273 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: way people experience either other audio or even get someone 274 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: to encounter what he would later coin in one of 275 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: his books and out of body experience right right in 276 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: his book Journeys Out of the Body. Is that correct? Yes? Correct? 277 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: And he and far Journeys is another one of his books, 278 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: Ultimate Journey, lots of journeys, Journey out of the Body, 279 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: that's the that's the big one. Um, it's really I mean, 280 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: he's a fascinating character. And if you go to the 281 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: Monroe Institute's website, which is m O N R O 282 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: E Institute dot org, you can you can actually find 283 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: YouTube videos of this man, Bob Monroe as he's called 284 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: a lot of times, where he's giving talks. And I 285 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: started going down this rabbit hole today with this guy. 286 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: He has some kind of I guess what would be 287 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: considered out of their ideas about what human consciousness is. Um, 288 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: I guess what he's discovered through his explorations of his 289 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: own technology and his own techniques. I don't I actually 290 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: don't want to describe them in full detail here. I 291 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: would just encourage you to listen to some of these, 292 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: because if I just told you in a bulleted point 293 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: what he believes experience is as consciousness, you would just 294 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: probably sigh, roll your eyes and then leave. But I 295 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: think after hearing what we're gonna tell you today, then 296 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: maybe watching these, your mind might might be a little 297 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: more open or susceptible to suggestion. Yeah, and and just 298 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: I agree with that, Matt. Just to give everyone a 299 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: taste of where we're where we're coming from with this, 300 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: let's let's describe Bob's findings not in his own words, 301 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: but in an excellent short summary by journalist Caroline Haskins 302 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: writing for Motherboard on Vice, she says, human consciousness is 303 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: nothing but an intersection of energy planes that forms a 304 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: hologram able to travel through space time all one word, 305 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: across the universe and into the past, present, and future. 306 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: That's the elevator pitch for the nature of consciousness is 307 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: seen by the Monroe Institute. There's a lot more to it, 308 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: so check it out. I guess before you, before you 309 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: make your your final call. Uh. This this was very 310 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: out there for some people, but it was also very 311 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: promising for others, including people like Army Commander Wayne m McDonald, 312 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: who in June was asked to give his commander an 313 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: assessment of the psychic services provided by the Monroe Institute. 314 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: This was during something called Projects Center Lane. The Monroe 315 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: Institute is known for not just Bob's opinions on the 316 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: nature of human consciousness and it's uh interactions with what 317 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: we call reality, but for the patented technology that he 318 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: and his associates have created. They call it hemmy sink 319 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: short for hemisphere synchronization, and it uses audio to quote 320 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: sync guys. The brain waves of the left and right 321 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: sides of the brain. According to the website, this makes 322 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: the brain more receptive to hypnosis and all of the 323 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: other potential things they believe the human mind can do 324 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: while in that state. And you may have heard of 325 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: this before a lot of times, it's referred to as 326 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: binaural beats. On the Internet. You can find YouTube videos 327 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: of purported by neural beats, and generally it has to 328 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: do with two different similar but not the same tones 329 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: that are being played in stereo into both of your 330 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: ears right. And as we established before, audio has tremendous power, 331 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: some effects of which are more apparent than others. So 332 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 1: Wayne was asked to provide this assessment after he had 333 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: completed the week long psychic program at the institute a 334 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: month prior. And this this institute, just for reference, is 335 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: located in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia in a 336 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: small town called Fabor Favors, about thirty miles east of Charlotte'sville. 337 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: That that probably gives our US audience a rough sense. 338 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: For everyone outside of the US, I don't think they 339 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: are just a series of names. But if you if 340 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: you pop on Google Maps, you can see the point 341 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: we're making is this is relatively isolated. So here's the 342 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: question what did McDonald say. Well, his report formed the 343 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: basis of a twenty nine page Army document that featured 344 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: detailed explanations of hypnosis, holograms, and out of body experiences. 345 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: The documents placed these phenomena in the context of these 346 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: larger ideas of consciousness, energy, spacetime, quantum, sub atomic particles, 347 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: the astral projection Ryan of course, astral projection is the 348 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: idea that one can uncouple the mind and the body 349 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: and send the mind free throughout all sorts of places 350 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: and doesn't have to travel through linear time. I do 351 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,239 Speaker 1: want to note here that we primarily focus on this 352 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: being a CIA activity, but a lot of this was 353 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: the CIA and the Army functioning sort of hand and glove. Uh. 354 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: They were, they were sharing a lot of research on this. 355 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: So McDonald's cites a metaphor penned by Monroe Institute employee 356 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: named Melissa Jagger or Yeager in order to illustrate the 357 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: nature of hypnosis. The metaphor says that the normal state 358 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: of consciousness is kind of like a lamp, and that 359 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: means it admits light in a chaotic, incoherent way, but 360 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: in which we kind of in a way disagree with 361 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: that because it's just more of like an omnipresent single 362 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: source of light that goes in all directions. But but 363 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: we agree. Yeah, But a hypnotized state of consciousness, by contrast, 364 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: would be like a laser beam and thoughts and energy 365 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: are as you had said earlier, Matt, describing hypnosis there 366 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: like a disciplined stream of light or like a laser. 367 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: So when they're doing projects CenTra Lane, when when they're 368 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: working on this, the big question here is how they 369 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: found candidates? Right? How how did they how did they 370 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: get officers to participate in projects Center Lane. Well, the 371 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: first thing you gotta do when you're gonna bring someone 372 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: on into some kind of hypnosis study and or UM 373 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: learning and training technique is to hypnotize them. That's of 374 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: course first and foremost, and then UM, after they're under hypnosis, 375 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: they would practice UM like reaching this place, this state 376 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: of consciousness considered the astral plane, and the whole goal 377 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: is to learn foreign languages, like basically be able to 378 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: teach yourself things at a faster pace, to enter the matrix, 379 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: if you will, in a way, and to also do 380 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: this thing that the documents referred to as habit control training, 381 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: which you can assume has to do with, you know, 382 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: training each of these people who are going to take 383 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: part in this to do certain things, to not do 384 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: certain things, although the details of that are lost to us. 385 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: According to one of the declassified files, two hundred and 386 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: fifty one Army intelligence candidates were selected for the first 387 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: year of experimentation, and of those candidates, a hundred and 388 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: seventeen were initially interviewed under the impression that they were 389 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: just taking a survey. Right, McDonald was trying to find 390 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,719 Speaker 1: people who are in the middle of the bell curve 391 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: regarding credule is um versus skepticism. So people who objected 392 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: to military use of what they called psycho energetics categorically 393 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: were not considered to be good candidates. And then on 394 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: the other side of the spectrum, people who seemed incredibly 395 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: gassed and excited about psycho energetics, or people who, by 396 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: whatever measure they had the study conducted, considered to be 397 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: a cult, fanatics, or mystical zealots were also out of 398 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: the running. But for the people who were accepted, they 399 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: were they were shipped off on a real weird field trip. 400 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: They went to the Monroe Institute and then they would 401 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: listen to this heem I sink audio. After this, one 402 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: of the institute's research associates would do the guided meditation 403 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: that you mentioned earlier, Matt. They would guide intelligence officers 404 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: into the astral plane, the psychic space, in which the 405 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: Institute maintained that officers could heighten their century experiences, accelerate 406 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: their healing, travel into the past or the future, or 407 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: even solve real world dilemmas without the restraints of a 408 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: physical body. I know, right. Another technique known as remote 409 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: viewing was also employed, and this is something that should 410 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: be familiar if if you caught our early interview with 411 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: the scientists Russell targ or some of our work on 412 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: projects stargate. According to a declassified document from eighty two, 413 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: which doesn't specifically explicitly mentioned the Army or the Monroe 414 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: Institute because they didn't go until the next year, right right. 415 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: This This does, however, follow the precise description of remote 416 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: viewing as explained by the UH, as explained by the 417 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: three doc that does mention Monroe by name. So what 418 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: what were they doing exactly? What was their first big milestone? 419 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: Test goal. The answer will surprise you, we promise, and 420 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: we'll tell you after a word from our sponsor. Well, 421 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: according to the documents that that we found online, the 422 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: goal of all of this remote viewing, all of the 423 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: energy that all of these people put in was to 424 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: remotely view Mars in the year one million b C. 425 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: Basically to find out if there was a human civilization 426 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: or another extraterrestrial civilization of intelligent beings that lived on 427 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: Mars back then. According to the transcript, and interviewer read 428 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: coordinates and verbal cues to a subject, and the subject 429 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: claimed to see dust storms, alien structures, and even an 430 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: ancient alien race. You can, by the way, you can 431 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: see all of the stuff we're describing at CIA dot gov. 432 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: Just searching through their reading room and you will. You 433 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: will see this written out explicitly. We're not styling on 434 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: this north paraphrasing. You heard that it's on the CIA's website. 435 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: It's true. So some people did say that they saw something. 436 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: You could either, you know, you you can read the 437 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: transcript and decide for yourself whether they're just hyper suggestible 438 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: and maybe they're just kind of improvising and riffing on 439 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: cueues that the research associate or already gave them. But 440 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: here's here's one description from subject to certainly saw something. 441 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: He says, very toll again, very large people, but they're 442 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: they're thin. They look thin because of their height, and 443 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: they dressed like, oh hell, it's like it's like a 444 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: real light silk, but it's not you know, flowing type 445 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: of clothing. It's it's cut to fit their their ancient people. 446 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: They're they're dying, it's past their time or age. They're 447 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: very philosophic about it. They're looking for a way to survive, 448 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: and they just can't. Wow. This is just one example, 449 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: to be fair, that is a direct quote, but there 450 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: are other examples out there. Was he was he from 451 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: Georgia or Alabama? Where where was he from? It maybe 452 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: lost to history, It don't know if it's a source, 453 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: but sounded like he went through being from maybe four 454 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: or five very different places in the course of that description. 455 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I guess he was a 456 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: military brat and moved around a lot. But this is 457 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: all real. This all definitely happened, And the big question 458 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: is what happened next after they sent these people for 459 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: these things? Uh? What did what did they find. What 460 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: did the Army in the c i A find with 461 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: HEMI Sink technology. Well, there's this guy who was described 462 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:38,959 Speaker 1: as a personal management analyst named Ray Ray Wald Cooder. 463 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: He wrote this article for the hem Sinc. Journal. So 464 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 1: they've got an entire journal here. And again the Monroe 465 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: Institute was a research arm created through his research and 466 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: development efforts through his broadcast company. Okay, so he's reviewing 467 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: the Army's uses of HEMI Sink technology, so kind of 468 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: so you'd have the Army looking at their technology. Now 469 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: they're looking back on how the Army is going to 470 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: be using it, and and in this he states that 471 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: the Army variously used HEMI Sink technology for stress reduction, 472 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: psychological counseling, and enhanced learning abilities for various levels of personnel, 473 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: as well as training for people seeking officer level positions. 474 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: So really, they truly are, at least in several ways 475 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: here attempting to use it like the matrix to teach 476 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: people skills as fast as they can and as efficiently 477 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: as possible. And Waltcotter wrote also that several intensive Army 478 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: military training programs have been conducted using the technology. This 479 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: is where it gets this. This is pretty fascinating because 480 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: he said these programs demonstrated positive results, which means that 481 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: in one or more than one of the fields of 482 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: research that they were conducting, this technology hem I sink 483 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: was found to be successful. We don't know which fields, 484 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: We don't know how successful. We just know that they 485 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: felt there was something to it, and as a result, 486 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: research continued until when the Defense Appropriations Act directs the 487 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: program to be transferred to way for it the CIA, 488 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: and the CIA keeps working with this. We're not sure 489 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: exactly what they did with it, because we don't know 490 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: what did or did not make it into a written report. 491 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: But the CIA itself later said remote viewing had not 492 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: been proven to work by a psychic mechanism specifically, and 493 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: they assured us or assured themselves internally that it had 494 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: not been used operationally. Furthermore, the CIA concluded that there 495 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: was nothing striking or surprising about its findings after doing 496 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: research of their own. M Yeah, so now we're at 497 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: another than a fork in the road. Right. Over twenty 498 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: million dollars was sunk into this project, of which we're aware, 499 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: and to be fair, that is not a huge figure 500 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: in comparison to many other strange Army and CIA projects. 501 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: But let's remember that the US public footed the bill here, 502 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: and this was at a time when people were, as 503 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: they are now still in need of education, medical care, food, 504 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: and so on. Uh So, is it money well spent? 505 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: Was it foolish? Is there more to the story. I 506 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: don't know, but maybe you're saying, hey, guys, I i'm um. 507 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm a person who learns through experience. I want to 508 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: follow in the footsteps of the CIA and Army intelligence 509 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: and figure this out for myself. While we have good 510 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: news for you friends and neighbors. The Monroe Institute, as 511 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: we record, is still operating. It's still around, it is 512 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: still selling. It's him I Sink program today. So you 513 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: can take a week off yourself and go find out 514 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: what all the hubbub is about. Yeah, and there's everything 515 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: from many one day programs, or you can jump on 516 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: one of their five to six day consciousness programs. And you, guys, 517 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: then when Row institutes and kind of in a silly way, 518 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: but also in I'm genuinely interested in this about you 519 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: could take a class about energy medicine. You can take 520 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: a class that's described as event Horizon conscious presence. We 521 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: could all probably use a little bit of that nowadays, 522 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: or something called animal and interspecies communication. Now that one 523 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: I'm into. If I could talk to my dog, like 524 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 1: really know what's going on, that would be huge. That's 525 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: my pick, awesome or event horizon, whatever that is. So 526 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: let us know your experience with this, if you decide 527 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: to engage in this sort of activity, or if you 528 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: take a field trip to the Monroe Institute, let us 529 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: know if you've been to this or something like this 530 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: in the past. We would love to hear your stories. 531 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: Most importantly, like all classified projects, this was technically a conspiracy, 532 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: not a theory that really spent the money in secret 533 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: the Army and then later the CIA. Yet for fringe researchers, 534 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: the admitted conspiracy is simply a distraction, sort of a 535 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: red herring to throw you off the trail, and they'll 536 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: argue that this sort of experimentation continues today. So if 537 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: we took a little bit of time to speculate to 538 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: engage in some what iffory, let's let's see what would 539 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: be the best way to conduct this sort of experimentation 540 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: with out the usual legal limitations imposed by domestic and 541 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: international law. First, if we throw worlds to the wayside, 542 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: you would probably want to set up an institution or 543 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: laboratory of some sort in a place that the US 544 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: controlled but was not legally obligated towards, so like Diego, 545 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: Garcia maybe, or or one of the islands where so 546 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: many people have been black bagged in the War on Terror. 547 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: And then you would want, of course keep it out 548 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: of the news. You would also you would also want 549 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: to make sure that you could dope the subjects up 550 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: as much as you wanted to see how far into 551 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: that state you could get them before there were delatorious 552 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: cognitive or physical effects, and then probably just to get 553 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: a baseline, you would keep going until if you died. 554 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: That's that's the kind of stuff that you will see 555 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: fringe researchers arguing is happening now as we record today. 556 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: There isn't proof of that, but that is some disturbing speculation, 557 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: and just saying that that could happen, which absolutely good 558 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: for all we know it could be happening. Now, just 559 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: saying that could happen is not the same thing as 560 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: saying any of that would result in actual remote viewing, 561 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or reproducible astral travel and 562 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: so on, and just saying it is completely possible for 563 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: the U S and other powerful governments to kidnap people, 564 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: take them into a place where ethical constraints do not apply, 565 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: and experiment on them. There you go. Or you could just, 566 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, pump some of that binaural stuff that 567 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 1: Hemi sink stuff into the radio waves and see how 568 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: it plays on the public overall. Does it have any 569 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: effect on humans while they're driving or while they're listening 570 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: to their podcasts? That's a very good Did you guys 571 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: notice the the Hemi sink technology happening in your ears 572 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,399 Speaker 1: while you're listening to this? You didn't because we weren't 573 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: using it. But but wouldn't that be cool if we did? 574 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be cool if we did? What would happen? 575 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: Let us know, and and also let us know what 576 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: you think about this idea of Center Lane in general. 577 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 1: Was it a brief, well intentioned dabbling and unorthodox methods 578 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: that was rightly discarded when the science just didn't hold 579 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: up to scrutiny, or was it something else, something a 580 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: little more sinister, something they don't want you to know. 581 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: Perfect you can tell us about it on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, 582 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: find our favorite part of the show your fellow listeners 583 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: on our community page. Here's where it gets crazy. Yeah, 584 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 1: or you can call us where we are one three 585 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: three st d w y t K. Leave a message, 586 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: tell us about your experience rather than writing it down. 587 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 1: We'll enjoy it. You might get on the air, but 588 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: make sure you let us know if you want us 589 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: to use your name and or if you want us 590 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: to mask your voice or whatever, or you just don't 591 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,439 Speaker 1: want it to go on the air. Have we ever 592 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: masked anyone's voice for this match? We have. On the 593 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 1: last voicemail episode we had a Royal Canadian Mounted Police 594 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: officer call in that we masked his voice. Fantastic. So 595 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: maybe even you just want your voice masked for the 596 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 1: look for the aesthetic. Sure, Paul, Paul doesn't mind. No, seriously, 597 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 1: please don't abuse that. And while you're on the internet, 598 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: why not drop us a review on iTunes. Every every 599 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: review you give us gives it gets us think of 600 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: it this way. It gets us a little bit further 601 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,399 Speaker 1: away from being black bagged ourselves. 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