1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: A production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: my name is Nolan. 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 2: our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 2: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: the stuff they don't want you to know. This is 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: our it's our weekly time where we do an extended 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: thank you to all of our fellow conspiracy realists who 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: make this show possible. We're so grateful that you are 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: here and we cannot wait to share some messages from you. 15 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: In this week's listener mail segment, we're going to learn 16 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: about some fellow authors. We have many in the audience. 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: We're going to learn well, we're going to talk about 18 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: We're going to interrogate a very interesting conversational prompt about 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: the purpose and the design of humanity and the spread 20 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: of that species. And then I think we're going to 21 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: end with a little little grab bag some teasers for 22 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: some upcoming episodes that will strike a chord with you, 23 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: as well as just some friendly letters from our conspiratorial 24 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: home of stuff they don't want you to know. We 25 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: start today, right, we tease this idea. We love creative minds, 26 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: we love artists, we love musicians, we love authors. We're 27 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: all three of those. And Noel, we're talking about this 28 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: a little bit off air. We receive just a wonderful 29 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: piece of correspondence that I don't know about you guys, 30 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: but I found it touching and inspiring for sure. 31 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 4: And this is a case where we can definitely use 32 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 4: this individual's government name because they are a published author. 33 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 4: Alex Crespo, subject of the email, You're in my book acknowledgments. 34 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 4: That's so cool, Thanks Alex, Matt Ben and nol Okay. 35 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 4: So I'm a traditionally published author and the subject line 36 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 4: kind of says it all. But here's a little background 37 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 4: for flavor. I started listening to the podcast in twenty 38 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 4: seventeen because I needed something to make my commute to 39 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 4: my boring nine to five job a little more bearable. 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 4: That ritual quickly became the highlight of the day, and 41 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 4: listening to you guys help me revive with the bizarre 42 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 4: imaginative part of my brain that had been atrophied by 43 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 4: corporate America derogatory in parentheses. All of my daydreamings solidified 44 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 4: eventually into a book idea, and Saint Juniper's Folly was born. 45 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 4: It's a young adult gothic mystery in which a straight 46 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 4: laced golden boy and a novice witch team up to 47 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 4: rescue a Mexican American team with a cryptic who's become 48 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 4: trapped inside a haunted mansion in Vermont. Wow, all the stuff. 49 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 4: I love it, and it's coming out June sixth. This 50 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 4: book is a patchwork of so many topics you guys 51 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 4: have discussed on the podcast, from ghost stories to which 52 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 4: trials and psychokinesis, and I truly feel like the show 53 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 4: had a hand in shaping it in the best way possible. 54 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 4: I've attached a pick of what I actually said in 55 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 4: the acknowledgments, but I want to thank you directly for 56 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 4: sharing the stories that you do and adding a little 57 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 4: extra wonder and mystery to everyone's lives in the process. 58 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 4: I'm a full time author now, so my commute is 59 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 4: walking ten feet from my bed to my desk and 60 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 4: I get to listen to the show as I travel 61 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 4: to signings and author events, which feels like a very 62 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 4: cool full circle moment. And now you guys are authors too, 63 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 4: but it's time. 64 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: To be alive. 65 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 4: Anyways, much love and if you want signed copies, I'd 66 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 4: be happy to send some over, yes please. Ps you 67 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 4: can feel free to read this on the air and 68 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 4: use my name if you want. And then he signs 69 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 4: it Alex and looking at let's see openly here because 70 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 4: we don't always open the attachments, but when they come 71 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: from trusted sources like published authors, we do do that thing. 72 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 4: So you see, oh goodness, we're yeah, we are sort of. 73 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 4: It reads as follows, thank you to Matt, Ben and 74 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: Nole the stuff they don't want you to know, who 75 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 4: supplemented so much of my supernatural research for this book 76 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 4: and have kept me company on every commute and long 77 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 4: haul flight for years. Man, we don't usually read emails 78 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 4: like kind of people just kind of big upping us 79 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 4: and expressing appreciation, but this one has felt a little 80 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 4: special because you know, these stories inspire us too, and 81 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 4: I think in our creative work as well outside of 82 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 4: the show, whether it be ben your fiction writing, my end, 83 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 4: Matt's kind of music writing, I think you can't not 84 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 4: be affected by this stuff. And to be able to 85 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 4: kind of be a platform that someone is getting any 86 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 4: kind of inspiration from, whether it be you know, literary 87 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 4: or other otherwise, it feels really really cool. 88 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 3: I just want to point out, Alex, that whenever you 89 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: refer to us, the order should be Ben Matten Dole. 90 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: We have always said it that way, and that is 91 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: the way it shall stand, Alex. I demand to read whatever. 92 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: We're slaves to the alphabet. Yeah, it's funny because Alex, 93 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 2: I went and I went ahead and pre ordered Saint 94 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: Juniper's Folly, mainly because flattery gets you everywhere. Kidding. Like 95 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: Noel said, we we greatly appreciate this and hopefully, as 96 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: every longtime listener knows, it is very important to us 97 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: to support creativity in any in any form or fashion 98 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: you find it. Alex, just want to give you a 99 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: creepy heads up. I follow you on Twitter now, and 100 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: and it's it's fascinating to realize just how how connected 101 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 2: the world can be. I wish that I had already 102 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: read Saint Juniper's Folly before we before we got to 103 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: this listener mail, But I for one am excited Noela 104 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: Saire if we read just a little bit of the 105 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: like the blurb on the back, Oh yeah, please all right, So, 106 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: without spoiling too much, Alex, you're you're so kind to us. 107 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: We don't want to we don't want to spoil things. 108 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: Let's give one of the many reviews that you can 109 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: find on let's see this is Amazon. The bulletin for 110 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: the Center of Children's Books gave this a starred review. 111 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: This stood out particularly to them, and they said, teens 112 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: feeling stuck in various identification boxes, in the Sissaphian cycle 113 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: of school days or in the sometimes poisonous, sometimes nurturing 114 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: bounds of family will likely relate to Jamie. That's the 115 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: main character to Jamie's yearning for freedom, and this remarkable 116 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: debut novel carefully explores these struggles with grace and sympathy. 117 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: Theo jam and Taylor are unforgettable. That's kind of cool. 118 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: And again, like Alex said, like you said, Noel, we 119 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: haven't read the book yet, so we're kind of we're 120 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: kind of excited. June sixth, it's on the way. Let's see, 121 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: this will come out before the book is available, But 122 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: that's kind of cool. It makes me think. You know, 123 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: we've had some a lot of conversations off air about 124 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: the current resurgence and banning books in the United States. 125 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: If you guys have been reading about that too, Yeah, yeah, well. 126 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it also goes back to, you know, the 127 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 4: topic that we kind of discussed and we didn't kind 128 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 4: of discussed. We totally discussed in the previous Strange News 129 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 4: episode the idea of banning certain types of concerts, you know, 130 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 4: in Mexico as a result of drug violence. 131 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: And not to say that the. 132 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 4: Two are exactly the same, but we kind of ended 133 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 4: that segment talking about how banning a thing is a 134 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 4: surefire way of spreading it further because you know, when 135 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 4: you ban something, it's just going to make people more 136 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 4: curious about what it is that they're missing. People do 137 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 4: not like to be told what to do, what to read, 138 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 4: what to listen to. 139 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, well you know what y'all are missing? Hmmm, 140 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: pictures of Hex. 141 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, who was in the acknowledgments? 142 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: Yes there, pictures are adorable. 143 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: We are fans. We are big fans of pet pictures. 144 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: And that's another reason why we love these weekly this 145 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: weekly Listener Mail segment, because we do get. 146 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 4: To I don't know. 147 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: It's not quite like the Letters from Home with Prairie 148 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: Home Companion or something like that. But we're we do 149 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: spend a lot of grateful time. You know. Matt is 150 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: always running point on the amazing voicemails we get. We 151 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 2: read every email we get, and we we try to 152 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: keep track of social media. It's a lot, but we're 153 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: we're very fortunate to be here. It is nuts, by 154 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: the way, to realize our age as a show when 155 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: we have people writing to us because they've had their 156 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: first kid, or they just you know, got married, or 157 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: they graduated, and there's always that line in there, you guys, 158 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 2: where they say, I grew up watching you on YouTube 159 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: And what's that old? 160 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 3: Is it? 161 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 2: David Byrne, I think about the passage of time? 162 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 4: Was this song yeah, oh gosh, I don't know, maybe 163 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 4: once in a lifetime, I'm not sure. 164 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 2: Exactly, like singing in my Mouth. 165 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, the one where he sings to the lampshade and 166 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 4: then this. 167 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: Out of context that sounds like a weird lyric. 168 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 4: It was also the way he sings it because burn 169 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 4: is away away with the cadence of words, because oftentimes 170 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 4: the meaning of the words, the lyrics themselves are just 171 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 4: part of the equation, and the way that their song 172 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 4: and the rhythm and the tune is a big part 173 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 4: of it too, which is the same case for the 174 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 4: English language. You know, say, Shakespeare's just word put in order. 175 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: I think Mark from a Peep show had that to say, 176 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 4: very sarcastically, No, it wasn't, It wasn't. Actually it was 177 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 4: in Mitchellan Webb. It was the episode that's sort of 178 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 4: like lampooning Gordon Ramsey torturing a poor local chef who's 179 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 4: got a failing restaurant. But Shakespeare is indeed words just 180 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 4: put in order. But it's got to be the order. 181 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 4: You got to crack the code so that all you 182 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 4: authors out there who are putting words in order, we 183 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: we salute you. 184 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: Do you think it's some kind of superpower, like if 185 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 3: the words are sung into your mouth, like you could 186 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: somehow capture them and then send them back out. 187 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 4: And this is a little short, but I thought it 188 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 4: was it was worth worth talking and giving a little 189 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 4: shout out to one of our listeners that's also making 190 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 4: creative work out there. But I wanted to bring something 191 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: up just the tail end of this talking about the 192 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 4: power of words and the ubiquitous topic of conversation of 193 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 4: artificial intelligence and specifically AI art. A friend of mine, 194 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 4: a really really, really creative artist who you know, does 195 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 4: all kinds of analog art, you know, with paint brushes 196 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 4: and the like, and all kinds of you know, textures 197 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 4: and various things, and it was also an incredible musician, 198 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 4: has really been getting into AI art lately, and I 199 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 4: want to send you, guys really quickly a handful of 200 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 4: his pieces. And let's talk a little bit about the 201 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 4: power of words as it pertains to AI art, because 202 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, AI art is all 203 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,479 Speaker 4: about figuring out what prompts to give to this algorithm 204 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 4: to create something that no one else nor the algorithm 205 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 4: itself on its own, could ever possibly create. 206 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: This. 207 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 4: Yes, you are castings, but I just texted this to 208 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 4: you guys, and these are some unsettling and gorgeous images. 209 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 5: Uh. 210 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 4: And again this is now the secret sauce. This guy, 211 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 4: Danny Carey Bailey. You can find him on Instagram as 212 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 4: his art and his music. He's a really really talented 213 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 4: dude here in Atlanta. I just am blown away by 214 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 4: some of the stuff that he's doing. Literally speaking these 215 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 4: things into existence. 216 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: You know. 217 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 4: Some of them are kind of in the style of 218 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 4: Hoeronymous Bosh. Some of them are like government buildings with 219 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 4: alien crafts landing outside, surrounded by a hooded figures, you know, 220 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 4: children wearing these bizarre masks. A lot of these just 221 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 4: really have these ritualistic vibes and well, I'm sure there's 222 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 4: a couple that he probably did say something about Hornymous 223 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 4: Basha in terms of the style. This is stuff that, like, 224 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 4: I think he probably had to learn learn how to 225 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 4: speak to this algorithm in such a way that the 226 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 4: idea in his head is more or less translated, you know, 227 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 4: onto the page or the screen. What do you guys 228 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 4: think of these? 229 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 3: It's quite disturbing. They're really well done. I mean, you're right, 230 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: like he's gotten it correct to where I don't know 231 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: what editing has been done on these photos after they 232 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: were initially generated. 233 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 4: I don't think much at all, if any, maybe some 234 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 4: color correction, but it certainly these are not composites. These 235 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 4: are singular creations of specifically of mid Journey. 236 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 3: Got you, I'd. 237 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: Be interested to sorry it took me a second to 238 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: get my phone. I would be interested in seeing the prompts, Danny. 239 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: Though I understand they may be proprietary, they are a 240 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: bit of a secret sauce. A lot of the forums 241 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: I participate in regarding this great challenging discourse, they do 242 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: hinge on on the idea of prompts, and a lot 243 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: of people have created their kind of their own system 244 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: for this stuff and they play it close to the chest, 245 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: which I completely understand. But Danny, very well done. Color 246 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: me impressed. Well. 247 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 4: If you want to check out more of his work, 248 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 4: his name is Dan Carey Bailey. He's a composer and 249 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 4: an artist and you can find him on Instagram at 250 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 4: Dan Carrey Bailey or on his website Dan Carrie Bailey. 251 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 4: So with that, let's take a quick break and then 252 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 4: we'll be right back with some more messages from you. 253 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: And we've returned. Guys, this is gonna be one of 254 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: those that I play a message for you. You're gonna hear, 255 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: maybe for the first time. Now we're gonna just chat 256 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 3: for a minute. You ready, It's gonna get weird. So stoked, 257 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: So stoked, bro, That's how I know you're super involved 258 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: and interested. 259 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: Ben, all right, you can you can see me though, 260 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: you can see me on this on this remote platform 261 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: we're using the record, and I am staring at you 262 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: because I am indeed stoked, so stoked. 263 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 5: All right, here we go, Hey, what's going on? Guys? 264 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 5: Just listening to your episode about faces species has had 265 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 5: kind of a thuck popping in my head on my 266 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 5: drive here, and so we talked about how humans have 267 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 5: essentially spread all sources of species all across the globe, 268 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 5: allowing them to invade areas where they were not intended 269 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 5: to be. But my thoughts are, what if we were, 270 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 5: in fact a byproduct of nature meant to spread all 271 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 5: of these animals, plants, etc. Think of just like how 272 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 5: certain vegetation as certain seeds that attached to fur or clothing, 273 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 5: and they are then spread all over the place. What 274 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 5: if we were designed to in fact spread everything, not 275 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 5: only across the globe, but into the stars. Maybe we 276 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 5: are put on here for that very reason to spread everything. 277 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 5: Just thought came to my mind. Love your guys, show 278 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 5: what which you do? You can use this if you 279 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 5: choose to. My name is disco Funk, and I have 280 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 5: hope you have a wonderful net. 281 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, disco funk. Matt, what Strea out to you? 282 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 3: About this, well, I thought it was a fascinating concept. Really, 283 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 3: That's why I wanted to talk about it. 284 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 4: You know what pop to me though, is who's to say, 285 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 4: we're not that thing that he's describing. You know, on 286 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 4: a certain evolutionary level, when you compare seeds and seed 287 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 4: pods and insects and the way they're able to spread 288 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 4: their seed across the land, we do that too, It's 289 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,479 Speaker 4: just on a slightly different scale and with a different mechanism. 290 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's evolutionarily fascinating to me because disco Funk 291 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: is taking us there to that place where many a 292 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 3: plant species uses birds to their advantage to spread their seeds. 293 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 5: Right. 294 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: I mean, trees and squirrels get along real fine because 295 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 3: of the way they like to knock seeds and acorns 296 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: and all kinds of things off of trees. They ended 297 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: up the squirrels eat a lot of them, but some 298 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 3: of them get planted because of them squirrels, and they're 299 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: excited of ripping of things off of trees or you know, 300 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: flowers and bees. In that relationship and how it formed 301 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 3: right in the pollination process. It is interesting to think 302 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: about intelligence as something that has arisen from evolutionary processes, 303 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 3: maybe not purposefully accidentally, just through sheer force of will, 304 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 3: It's arisen as the thing that can function as a 305 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 3: spreader of seeds, a spreader of species, and theoretically a 306 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 3: spreader of itself of intelligence to other planets eventually, if 307 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: it can survive long enough. I don't know. 308 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, I agree with you guys totally, 309 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: because again we always have to say it louder once 310 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: again for the people in the back, there is no operative, 311 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: real definition of intelligence. The human brain studying itself finds 312 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: itself endlessly confusing. And what I like about what you're saying, Matt, 313 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 2: what this reminds me of is is maybe the argument 314 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: of intelligence if we keep it into practical methods, right, 315 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: which would be successfully reproducing and expanding through a number 316 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: of given environments, and that's one of the easiest, most 317 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: practical ways to define it. Then we look at the 318 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: constraints humans often think in terms of an individual instances intelligence. 319 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: Person A is quote unquote intelligent, person B is quote 320 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: unquote more or less intelligent. Right, So it's a weird 321 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: comparative game. But could we not argue that ant communities 322 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: are intelligent They successfully construct metropolis. Right, every time they 323 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: expand they have very sophisticated reproduction rituals, feeding rituals. They 324 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 2: practice agriculture, and I'll say the quiet part out loud. 325 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 2: A lot of ant species also practice slave What about 326 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: bees that, as a like a group mind is quite intelligent. 327 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: To the question that disco Funk is exploring here, which 328 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: I'm grateful for, is we would want to look at 329 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: the overall history of the most popular infamous primate, the 330 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: human species, and see whether there is a tipping point 331 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: or you'll love this, an inflection point after which they 332 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: stopped spreading different organisms and started killing more. Right, because 333 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 2: we're in the middle of the sixth mass extinction. But 334 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: before that, before this ongoing extinction, Yeah, man, a ton 335 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: of stuff plants and animals alike, spread because they went 336 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 2: with this human fad. It's so nuts to me when 337 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,239 Speaker 2: I learned that the avocado should not exist in the 338 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 2: modern day. It only exists because of human beings us. 339 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 2: Great job. Everyone. 340 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 4: Wasn't there a time where like the idea like the 341 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 4: avocado is sort of like maybe won't exist for forever. 342 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 2: I mean, you could say that about a lot of things, unfortunately, right, 343 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: do you. 344 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 4: Soon to remember. There was our buddy Ramsey had a 345 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 4: podcast pitch for a show way back in the day, 346 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 4: You Will Miss, You Will Miss, and I believe the 347 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 4: first episode was about the humble avocado. 348 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: Well, I know there's a difficulty, or there's a very 349 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: difficult conversation coming up with humans regarding water use and agriculture. 350 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: Like very thirsty products such as almonds, they may pose 351 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: a threat to putable water for ordinary human beings. So 352 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: maybe that's part of it. But I remember what you mentioned, 353 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: I don't remember the specifics. 354 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 4: Popped into my head. And another thing that popped into 355 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 4: my head with all this conversation about polutionary levels and 356 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 4: mechanisms of extinction and creation, is this quote that I've 357 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 4: read from Stanley Kubrick, the genius and cantankerous, notoriously difficult 358 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 4: film director, a bit of a nihilist. You can tell 359 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 4: by this sentiment here that he expresses, how would a 360 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 4: sentient ant view the foot that crushes his ant hill 361 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 4: as the action of another being on a higher evolutionary 362 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 4: scale in itself, or as the divinely terrible intercession of God. 363 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 4: I know that's not directly pertaining we're talking about, but 364 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 4: it just you know, it's all about levels and scale 365 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 4: and perception. 366 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: You know, of the level above or. 367 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 4: Beneath you, you know what I mean, dark tower, yeah, 368 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 4: or supersymmetry. 369 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a great question too because right now, 370 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 2: from Earth's experience, so far as is known, there's a 371 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 2: tremendous disadvantage in understanding intelligence, understanding sentience, sapiens life, because 372 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: there is a sample size of one. There's one planet 373 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 2: that people know of that is doing this one thing 374 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 2: that we collectively call life, and it's really interesting. I 375 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 2: can't remember if we ever talked about it, but I 376 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 2: had one of those mind blowing conversations with a biophysicist 377 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 2: many years ago and was about exploring space. We all 378 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: love space on the shows. Most of us listening today 379 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: are probably big fans of exploring outer space. It seems 380 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: to be the destiny of the human species. And this biophysicist, 381 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 2: whom I will not name, told me they did not 382 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 2: want to go to space, and their argument was that 383 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: life on Earth is designed for Earth, which I felt 384 00:22:54,600 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: was oddly conservative for this person. But the but I 385 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: still wrestle with it because it does feel like the job, 386 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 2: doesn't it capital t capital j The job of life 387 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: is to expand. 388 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 4: It reminds me of that sentiment that William Shatner expressed, 389 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 4: I believe in his memoir about his trip to space 390 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 4: and describing kind of what's referred to, I think collectively 391 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 4: as the overview effect, that rather than being filled with 392 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 4: a sense of wonder and discovery, you know, seeing the 393 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 4: Earth from outer space, he was filled with a sense 394 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 4: of dread because exactly to your point, Ben, Earth was 395 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 4: meant for earth life, and it's sort of like, you know, 396 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 4: seeing it in the context of the greater vastness of 397 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 4: you know, suffocating black space filled him with a sense 398 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 4: of dread and sadness because of how this Earth and 399 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 4: this life might not be long for this universe, because 400 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 4: of the choices that you know, human beings have made. 401 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 3: Who guys, that's why I wanted to really thank you 402 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 3: for having this conversation already, because this is why I 403 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: wanted to talk about this stuff. Y'all think, for lack 404 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 3: of a better term, out there right just don't get 405 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 3: to talk with anybody else like this, So thank you, guys. 406 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 3: It does make me feel like from an evolutionary perspective, 407 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 3: it's not the humans have never been the endpoint. And 408 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 3: I think in even the argument here or in the 409 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 3: suggestion that we're getting from disco Funk, humans as we 410 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: stand right now are not that thing that's going to 411 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: go to the stars. And I don't think we ever 412 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: meant to be the things that go to the stars, 413 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 3: but we were meant to design the things that go 414 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 3: to the stars. And boys, I propose a massive conspiracy 415 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 3: behind all of it. Are you ready? 416 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: No? So ready? 417 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 3: We talked recently about reproduction and changing out certain types 418 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 3: of DNA within human cells that make up that which 419 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: is a human. 420 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: Yes. 421 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 3: First part of this conspiracy talked about human cells enslaving 422 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 3: mitochondria for their own purposes. Proposed that that's the other 423 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 3: way round. Mitochondria enslaved the human cells to do their bidding, 424 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 3: to work for their purposes. Those same mitochondria, the tiny 425 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 3: little bacteriums that became mitochondria, are on a journey to 426 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 3: one day pilot metal beings into space. 427 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 4: And so you're talking like sentient particles essentially, huh. 428 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 3: Sentient microscopic organisms, because that's where it all began. 429 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 4: Philosophers refer to these building blocks like I think it 430 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 4: was Descartes. Maybe I'm a little rusty on my philosophy, 431 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 4: but referring to monads and sort of like the precursor 432 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 4: to cells at least in terms of the description, and 433 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 4: these sort of like sentient building blocks of reality and 434 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 4: of you know, humanity. I love this idea that you 435 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 4: know that these are the ones that have the quote 436 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 4: unquote intelligent design. 437 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 2: Again, it's tough to say intelligent design in an environment 438 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: where no one can really define intelligence, but I love 439 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: what you're conveying here. Matt good friend of the show. 440 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: Robert Lamb, creator and co host of Stuff to Blow 441 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 2: Your Mind, is all about these conversations, was kicking it 442 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: with him a while back and talking about this idea. Right, 443 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: and we've said this on the show years and years ago. 444 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: There is a fundamental lack of perspective in humanity, assuming 445 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: it is the end point. 446 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 3: You know. 447 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: It's kind of how a lot of people assume the 448 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 2: world is going to end in their lifetime when the 449 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: world ends for someone literally every day. There's a great 450 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: argument that humans are sort of, for lack of a 451 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: better word, I don't love the gendering of it, but 452 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 2: humans are sort of the midwives of the future, thing 453 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: that will explore the cosmos, And it's quite possible, at 454 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: least from what humans understand of life today, that the 455 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 2: first extraterrestrials met by Earthlings, whatever form they end up in, 456 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 2: is going to be the descendant of some other organic 457 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 2: thing from long ago, something that got purposely built to 458 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: withstand the terrifying demands and rigors of outer space and 459 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: gamma rays and radiation and so on and so on. 460 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: And I love that you're bringing up monads, Nol. I 461 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: think that comes from maybe I'm confused, it was Pythagorean 462 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: followers who originally thought of the monad as like the 463 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: supreme being, and then maybe it. 464 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 4: Was ah leaves correctness. 465 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, but that's like that's an idea 466 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 2: of like the the concept of size is really what 467 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: defeats size in terms of three D space, but then 468 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 2: size in terms of timescale. 469 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 3: So there. 470 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: I love this conspiracy that it's been mitochondria all along. 471 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: They took over it, took over these other cells way 472 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 2: way back in the day before humans, and now they're 473 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: steering the show because as we know, they outnumber human cells. Right, 474 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 2: we established that. 475 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that they've been they've been commandeering vehicles this whole time. 476 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 3: They've just been upgrading over and over and over, and 477 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 3: they upgrade their vehicle right because animal cells are just 478 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 3: they've been chilling with these mitochondria for I don't know, 479 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 3: millions of years, millions and millions of years. They've been around. 480 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 3: They know what's up, and they figured out that these humans, 481 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 3: they seem to be able to get a lot done 482 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 3: with those hands of theirs and those big old brains 483 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 3: that we are also a part of and steering. So 484 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 3: you know, once we can actually create the ships and 485 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 3: the machines that are powerful enough, we're good to go, 486 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 3: we can spread to the next giant sphere. 487 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: And then eventually we could mitochondria eyes just churchifying, I 488 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 2: love this language. We could mitochondria eyes of planet to 489 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: galaxy and move up on the Crushev scale. We should 490 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: also say, Matt, to add some further octane to your 491 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: beautiful conspiracy here, mikey, Caandria are present in plants and 492 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: oh yes, oh yeah, they've been running the whole game. 493 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: It was big and from the top. 494 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 3: They've been riding evolution ever since it started. Man, they 495 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 3: started from the ooze. Now they're here, yeah, the Primorial boys. 496 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, when they went they emerged from said ooze. 497 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: It's so it's so fascinating though to think about that, 498 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 2: because these kinds of conversations. Really what we're seeing disco 499 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: funk is that if you get far enough along the 500 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: horizon and the curve of known science, you very quickly 501 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: enter the realm of philosophy. If anyone works in the 502 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: rarefied airs of higher math physics stuff like that, or 503 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 2: even the rarefied air the very small stuff like examining 504 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 2: quantum behavior, than when you see the people who know 505 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: the most in the world about these fields, when you 506 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: see them interact together, their conversation becomes much like a 507 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 2: philosophical discourse from days of ancient human civilization. 508 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 4: I think it's cool, correct me if I'm wrong. That's 509 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 4: why it's theoretical, right, because it's like we can't really 510 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 4: observe these things existing in nature. But there's a whole 511 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 4: lot of interesting conversation to be had around And I 512 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 4: know there's math and there's science behind theoretical physics. I 513 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 4: know it's not all just a bunch of conjecture and 514 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 4: like you know, brainstorming or whatever. 515 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: But there is, to your. 516 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 4: Point, been a certain philosophical core to these kinds of conversations. 517 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 4: I think that's really interesting and a very great observation. 518 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: I would agree with it. You know, maybe we should 519 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: you know what, guys, maybe we should go have a 520 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 2: field trip and just just hang out at a local 521 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: university and see if we can see if we can 522 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 2: pay the boffins in I don't know, like beer, copies 523 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: of the books, or pizza to tell us about this stuff. 524 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 2: I used to. 525 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 4: Offen currency right there, pizza and beer. It'll help us 526 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 4: move while they're at it. 527 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 3: But I just want to get uh, you know, some 528 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 3: tabs on these mitochondria, Like we need to get some 529 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 3: wire taps. We need to figure out how to get 530 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 3: in there, figure out what these mitochondria are playing tags. 531 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 4: It's gonna be a bunch of gurgling that we're gonna. 532 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 3: That We're gonna figure it out. We're gonna crack this case. Guys. 533 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 3: All right, well that's it for now. Thank you so 534 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 3: much disco Funk for sending us to that thought experiment. 535 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 3: We will be right back with some shout outs and 536 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 3: some awesome stuff. You just wait, we'll be right back. 537 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: Just you wait. We have returned. I hope you had 538 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: a good break. We're not at liberty to disclose everything 539 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 2: that happened to us, but we are legally required to 540 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 2: apologize if we have it any way misrepresented mitochondria. There's 541 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 2: literally nothing else we are allowed to say about that, 542 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: thanks to as always to our sponsor, Illumination Global Unlimited. 543 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do hope that people understand, like we're having 544 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: fun with concepts, that we don't actually believe that mitochondria 545 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 3: are in control of everything, but it would be fun 546 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 3: if they were. But that's not what we're saying. 547 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: We're legally required to tell you. That is not what 548 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 2: we are saying. So moving there, we wanted to we 549 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: wanted to have, you know, just a little a little 550 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: quick family time here, and before we do that, we're 551 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 2: going to have a bit of foreshadowing courtesy of someone 552 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: who's going by am droid, So Android says, Hi, guys, 553 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 2: I just wanted to see if you have any perspective 554 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: on the craziness of tipping in the US. For anybody 555 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: outside of the US, you probably know about this, this 556 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: editorialized on my part, just for background. Tipping is when 557 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 2: you give a certain amount of cash or a certain 558 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: amount of payment over the stated amount. Sometimes it is 559 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: in terms of absolute dollars. Sometimes it's in terms of 560 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: rounding up. Often it is in terms of some sort 561 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 2: of socially agreed upon percentage. And Droid says, I work 562 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 2: off tips, so I understand the need. I'm an independent contractor, 563 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: but I've been noticing and reading about how all sorts 564 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: of transactions are requesting tips now, retail stores, drive throughs, 565 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 2: online shopping, etc. I bought some colored contact lenses online 566 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 2: and they asked for tips. I've read about some places 567 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: asking for tips at a self service drink cooler and 568 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: even a self checkout, I think, says Android. It's just 569 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 2: another way for big companies to get away with paying 570 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 2: their employees less than living wages and putting some moral 571 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 2: dilemma on consumers since most of us tip out of obligation. Anyway. 572 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 2: Curious to hear your thoughts and love starting my day 573 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,479 Speaker 2: listening to you guys. This is foreshadowing everyone. We are 574 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 2: putting out an episode on tipping, and we're quite excited 575 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: for you to hear it. And we, in the interest 576 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 2: of full disclosure, we don't accept tips here because I mean, 577 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: other than good leads on stories, because I don't think 578 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 2: we have the technology to accept tips. That would get 579 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 2: kind of weird. 580 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 3: Right, but we would take them. I would take them. 581 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 3: You guys don't need them, I'll take them. 582 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 2: I will take them if they are in ancient currencies. 583 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 2: All I messing with now is outdated currencies. Black Monday 584 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 2: murders persuaded me sick. What do you guys think though, 585 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: have you, like, before we get into the episode on this, 586 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 2: let's just spend a little time here, have you all 587 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 2: encountered some kind of like escalation in tipping for lack 588 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 2: of a better have you seen it become more common 589 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 2: or more people asking. 590 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 3: I feel like we just talked about this, there was gosh, 591 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 3: I never know if it's on air or off here 592 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 3: when we talk about thanks, guys, there is an escalation 593 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 3: that is occurring because there's an awareness of what employees 594 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 3: of you know, in service industries go through, right, the 595 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 3: amount of money that they're paid on a regular basis, 596 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 3: and then how much they depend on tips often. So 597 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 3: now that there's a larger awareness from the societal perspective, 598 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 3: it feels as though everybody is okay with tipping a 599 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 3: little more. If we are going to go out and 600 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 3: go to a restaurant, go to a bar, do something 601 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 3: that requires a tip, because it's we're all more accustomed 602 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 3: to it now at this point, because we want to 603 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 3: support everybody. I think, I think that's what's happening. 604 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 4: I think maybe also I've seen a little bit more 605 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 4: of a becoming a little more common for a gratuity 606 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 4: to be kind of built into a check for certain 607 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 4: sized parties or whatever, or for there to be a 608 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 4: little scale on the bottom that kind of tells you, 609 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 4: you know, what you should be tipping. And usually that 610 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 4: scale starts with twenty percent, and I was up to 611 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 4: I think even around thirty percent sometimes so, but it's 612 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 4: also still I think I did. 613 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 2: I think it was on air. 614 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 4: Maybe I brought up the idea of like, you know, 615 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 4: I had a nice dinner with my partner in Nashville, 616 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 4: you know, a few weeks ago, and it was a 617 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 4: pricey dinner, but our server didn't really do anything, you 618 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 4: know that she wasn't bad. She gave us fine service. 619 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 4: But did she give us eighty five dollars worth of service? 620 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 4: And just because the bill is three hundred dollars or 621 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 4: whatever it was, I'm not saying that's what it was. 622 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 4: Whatever it was does she deserve twenty percent of that 623 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 4: large amount in tip? You know, when we were very quick, 624 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 4: we were actually on the way to a show, so 625 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 4: we did not linger, We were not extra, we did 626 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 4: not ask anything additional of this person, and she was 627 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 4: able to turn that table over and could have, you know, 628 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 4: had a massive party come behind us. It was actually 629 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 4: only a four top, so could have been massive, but 630 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 4: maybe a party that would have really lingered and ordered 631 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 4: more and more drinks and had an even larger bill. 632 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 4: I just I did it because custom you know, expects it. 633 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 4: But I did not necessarily feel that, you know, whatever 634 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 4: that twenty percent on that larger amount was had been 635 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 4: quote unquote earned. And maybe that's even like out of 636 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 4: date thinking. It used to be that, you know, the 637 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 4: idea of a tip was like, well, did you receive 638 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 4: excellent service and then therefore you tip accordingly, and but 639 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 4: God forbid you get maybe horrible service and don't tip 640 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 4: at all. You're a situations where someone will follow you 641 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 4: out to your car and be like what the hell 642 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 4: and understandably so this is a massive part of their income, 643 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 4: you know, but it's also with that they're sort of 644 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 4: a social contract, right of like I'm giving you something 645 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 4: for what you're tipping me outside. It is because you 646 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 4: don't tip fast food workers. You don't tip even sonic 647 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 4: car hops, but maybe you do. I think we actually 648 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 4: had this conversation too. I think some people do tip 649 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 4: sonic car hops as well. You should. They're two in 650 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 4: a whole little song and dance for you. But I 651 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 4: don't know. I'm rambling a little bit, but like it 652 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 4: is interesting to me, and I was wondering what y'all 653 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 4: think about the whole idea of the amount of the 654 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 4: check versus the amount of work that the person is doing, 655 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 4: and are they entitled to twenty percent of that larger 656 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 4: check even if they don't really do anything. 657 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 2: It's exactly what Android is asking us or getting toward, 658 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 2: and that's that's the question imposing. I understand, like as 659 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 2: an entity that exercises empathy, I understand that there are 660 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 2: people livelihoods on the line here, and again it's it's 661 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 2: deeper than the individual interactions. It is the system. You 662 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 2: go to many other countries and there is already a 663 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 2: gratuity or service charge included, and the idea of tipping 664 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 2: would be rounding up to the nearest note you know 665 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 2: in some cultures, of course, tipping is considered offensive if 666 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 2: you're doing more than rounding up, like in many parts 667 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 2: of Japan. 668 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 3: Well, because the implication is that maybe they don't make 669 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 3: enough money and they they need your tip or something. 670 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 2: Right, exactly, very similar. That's one of the big pieces 671 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 2: and one of the reasons that I'm so excited aka 672 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 2: stoked for this Tipping is a conspiracy a foot episode 673 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 2: is because we're going to lean on you for help, 674 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 2: fellow conspiracy realists. We want to hear your input, your 675 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 2: reaction to Android's questions. The conversation that the five of 676 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 2: us are having now, it goes in a lot of directions. 677 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,280 Speaker 2: You know, the question when tipping is appropriate. Here's another 678 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 2: interesting one. What is the line between tipping and a bribe? Right? 679 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 2: Because the people in Washington are arguably doing the same 680 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 2: thing that people do when they want to get a 681 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 2: nice table at a fancy restaurant. 682 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 4: Well, you guys will also recall there was a time 683 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 4: where I think Lift always had the ability to tip, 684 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,720 Speaker 4: but Uber did not implement the ability to tip into 685 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 4: their app for a lot time, and it wasn't until 686 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 4: kind of they were pressured to do so. You know, 687 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 4: and people just don't really carry cash, so it's hard 688 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 4: to tip your Uber driver if there's not a way 689 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 4: to do that within the app, or unless you go 690 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,720 Speaker 4: the extra mile and do PayPal or you know, Venmo 691 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 4: or whatever. I think all three of us have shopped 692 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 4: at a at a wonderful grocery store in Atlanta called 693 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 4: the Your Decab farmers Market, which has a large proportion 694 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 4: of its staff is made up of immigrants, and there 695 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,280 Speaker 4: is a you know, if you go to the deli 696 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 4: counter or the meat counter, there are very conspicuously laid 697 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 4: out signs that said that says that the employees are 698 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 4: not allowed to take your tips. That seems off to me. 699 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 4: I've always thought that seemed a little offt because they 700 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 4: are giving you extra service. You know, they're they're asking 701 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 4: you how thin or thick you want your your meat sliced, 702 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 4: or you know, they're they're giving you extra attention. You 703 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 4: should be able to tip them. But for whatever reason 704 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 4: it they will get in trouble if you if you 705 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 4: give them a tip and they won't accept it. And 706 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 4: only not saying that immigrants are inherently like always some 707 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 4: kind of like underserved or impoverished community. Or whatever, But 708 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 4: I mean do they often are and they often don't 709 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 4: get the same benefits, you know as other folks you 710 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 4: know who maybe are citizens or maybe they're on the 711 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,720 Speaker 4: path to citizenship, but they haven't gotten there yet. I'm 712 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,800 Speaker 4: not trying to throw the cab farmers market under the bus, 713 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 4: but who knows if maybe there's there being a little 714 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 4: bit tricky there, knowing that people won't fight back against 715 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 4: that because they need the employment, because maybe they're not 716 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 4: fully legal. I don't know. 717 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 2: Well, there are also to that point, there are ton practices. 718 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 2: There are many institutions that clearly establish the employees are 719 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 2: not allowed to accept tips or compensation of any sort 720 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 2: past they're agreed upon compensation with their employers. Some grocery 721 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 2: stores are like that. I think public's practices that as well. 722 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 2: Some of those institutions will say, we don't need tipping 723 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 2: culture to enter because we have taken pains to pay 724 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,439 Speaker 2: our employees a living wage an adequate amount. Right, They're 725 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 2: saying that we're not passing that responsibility on to you. Yeah, 726 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. That's what they're saying. There's also 727 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,839 Speaker 2: the cab farmers market, which I love and have been 728 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,240 Speaker 2: a regular patron of for many men and many years. 729 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 2: They have a very interesting thing that you will probably 730 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,280 Speaker 2: not encounter unless you happen to be in that little 731 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 2: bettle holler of Georgia, which is they practice a buddy system. 732 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 2: The employer has built out a paired system. This isn't 733 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 2: going to We've got other stuff to get to. I 734 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 2: just want everyone to know this. If you are at 735 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 2: the cabs farmer's market, you look at the name tags, 736 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 2: you'll see that there is a black dot or a 737 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 2: white dot on these name tags. That is due to 738 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 2: the employer's personality test that all employees take, which finds 739 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,760 Speaker 2: whether you are yin or yang and you are paired 740 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,720 Speaker 2: up with your opposite I have not test. Yeah, that's true, 741 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 2: that's true. Check it out again. Just like the toy 742 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 2: Bee tiles. There are secrets all around us. You just 743 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 2: have to dig a little. I think they still do that. 744 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 2: They are a private, privately owned company. So they also 745 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 2: don't accept credit card or board that they have to 746 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 2: reply to or Yeah, they also don't accept credit cards. 747 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,240 Speaker 2: They do accept personal checks, which. 748 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 4: Is also unusual. Everything there is kind of higgley piggley, 749 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 4: but it's a wonderful place and anyway, again not throwing 750 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 4: them under the bus. We love them, but they are 751 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 4: using them as an example, you. 752 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 2: Know, whereas as a let's call it a thought experiment, 753 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 2: and so would love to hear your thoughts folks on tipping. 754 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 2: Be aware that your your perspective, your your perspective, your 755 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 2: experiences may end up in some way in our upcoming 756 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,839 Speaker 2: episode on tipping and whether or not there is an 757 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 2: escalation in requests and whether or not this is anomalous. 758 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 2: Can't wait to hear from you. You don't have to 759 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 2: be in the service industry to weigh in. All perspectives 760 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 2: are valid. I was thinking we could close out with 761 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 2: just some again wholesome family time. Matt. You did something 762 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 2: that I absolutely love when you shouted out animal photos 763 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 2: pet photos earlier in today's Listener mail segment, and I 764 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,879 Speaker 2: think we just want to give a special shout out 765 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 2: to Fox, Molder and Bigfoot. They live with a human 766 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 2: called Sarah. Thank you for sending us your pet pictures. 767 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 2: Please send us more pet photos. We're always super down. 768 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 3: Then what's that term when the cat has extra digits 769 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 3: on their pause Polydactly? 770 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what being polydactyl. 771 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 3: I think that's what Bigfoot has. And Bigfoot's awesome. 772 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 2: Bigfoot's a chunk man. We meant with great affection Bigfoot. Yeah, 773 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 2: Bigfoot's got that Hemyway Paul thing going on. And then 774 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 2: also this is this is something that we always enjoy doing. 775 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 2: We got a really cool letter from our old pal Samurai, 776 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,720 Speaker 2: and Matt, you read this, Noel, you read this as well. 777 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 2: Here we go. Letter begins Samurai. Here, I would like 778 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 2: to ask a favor. My son is getting ready to 779 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 2: transition from elementary school to junior high. He's going out 780 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,919 Speaker 2: with a bang, graduating from sixth grade with a four 781 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 2: point oh GPA, perfect attendance Principals list, and just received 782 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:37,720 Speaker 2: the Mary Ortiz Award for Outstanding Citizenship. He's an exceptional kid. 783 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,799 Speaker 2: If you can give him a shout out, use the 784 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 2: name GSW Gunter. So what do you say, Matt, Shout 785 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,359 Speaker 2: out to Gunter. 786 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 3: A major shout out to Gunter, and shout out to 787 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 3: father and son for going on awesome camping trips and 788 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 3: then writing about it so other people can learn and 789 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 3: explore with them. 790 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so cool. We read that one. Yeah, so 791 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 2: we wanted to end it there. We love shouting out 792 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 2: the community. We were talking about this a little bit earlier, 793 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 2: right at the open of the of this show. It 794 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 2: is nuts how many times people written in and put 795 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 2: in that line. I grew up watching your YouTube and 796 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 2: now now I'm graduating college. Oh boy, the time, how 797 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 2: it flies in a flat circle. Big big thanks to Android, 798 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 2: Big big thanks to disco Funk, our new favorite author, 799 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 2: Alex Crespo. Big thanks to Samurai, Big thanks to Sarah, 800 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 2: Big thanks to everybody who wrote in. If you want 801 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 2: to join the show, because we do this every week, 802 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 2: all you have to do is contact us. 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