1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome friends to the Wednesday edition of 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. So you probably 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: saw it last night, President Trump responding to his indictment 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: at Mara Lago. The indictment itself is out. We will 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: be analyzing what he said in the speech, and of 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: course the indictment itself, which is every bit as preposterous 8 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: and perhaps even a little bit more so than we 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: had been telling you. It certainly shows us that all 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: the analysis about Bragg as a person who has really 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: undermined our justice system and is using the powers that 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: he has for illicit political purpose, it's all true. So 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: we'll talk about the Trump indictment. It's out. We read it. 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't really that, you know. It's really one page 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: written sixteen times, which which we'll get into. Right. Infinitely 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: weaker Buck than I think even the most ardent Trump 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: supporter would have hoped, really, because I feel like it 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: was exactly where we were told it was going to be. 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: One charge. Yeah, I just I guess maybe this is 20 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: when I said on the show, I felt like they 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: were holding something back to try to have somebody be 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: able to grab a hold of it, and it just 23 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: wasn't there. You were giving Bragg, the district attorney of 24 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: the biggest city in America, credit for not being a 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: complete loon, I mean, a total lunatic, and he doesn't 26 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: deserve that credit. Gave him credit, I mean, I did. 27 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: I thought there's no way that he's just gonna ride 28 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: or die with a porn star payment that he's going 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: to charge thirty four different times, I mean, and he did. 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: And so I think it's the biggest gift to Donald 31 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: Trump maybe in his political career. We're gonna get into 32 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: that here momentarily. Also, we have Andy McCarthy with us 33 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hour, so we'll be talking 34 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: to him about it and a couple of other big 35 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: news items, though we're definitely going to spend some time 36 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: on them today. So I want to be clear that 37 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: this isn't just gonna be three hours of analysis of 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: the Trump indictment. We had two major and and unfortunately 39 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: very disappointing elections, you know, midyear off cycle elections that 40 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: that happened here, you know, not in the congressional cycle, 41 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: not enough presidential You have the mayor of Chicago has 42 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: been elected, and it is not It is not the 43 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: law and order candidate Vallis Paul Vallas. Brandon Johnson is 44 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: now the new mayor of Chicago, the Windy City. He 45 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: is a progressive, He's a socialist. He thinks that by 46 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: creating more jobs, they'll be less crime. It's I saw 47 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: your tweet, Clay. I think we will spend more time 48 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: on this and how this, How did he win? What 49 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: is wrong with the people of Chicago who voted for 50 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: this guy? But get out of Chicago, as your tweet 51 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: and to a lot of people, I think, unfortunately, that 52 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: is the message. That is the message they should be 53 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: hearing right now. If you are in Chicago and you 54 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: have the ability to leave, that is, you have the 55 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: financial resources, you can do your job remotely. I would 56 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: leave Chicago, and I don't say that lightly. And I'm 57 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: saying that as a father of three. We know what 58 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: the crime rate is in Chicago. As bad as Lorie 59 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: Lightfoot was, and I think arguably buck she was the 60 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: worst mayor in America. Chicago may have picked a worse 61 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: replacement for her than Lorie Lightfoot herself. And one thing 62 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: that's very, very true that I think we've seen a 63 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: lot in the last few years with COVID and BLM 64 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: riots and all these things that have gone on. You 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: really are you're really casting your ballot in two ways 66 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: as an American. Who you vote for and who you 67 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: pay taxes to. The one thing that gets the attention 68 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: of these big cities, whether it's you know, New York 69 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: or Chicago or LA or whatever, is Oh my gosh, 70 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: we have a giant hole in our budget and our 71 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: socialist budget assistem that we've got going here and we 72 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: can't continue. So it matters you vote with your feet 73 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: as well as with the ballot. And I've done that 74 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: buck in my own life. I'm born and raised for 75 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: those of you who know in Nashville, Tennessee, that is 76 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: Davidson County. I am so furious with how Davidson County 77 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: responded to COVID that I don't think I'll ever live 78 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: in Davidson County for the rest of my life. Where 79 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: downtown Nashville is. I live in Williamson County. Those of 80 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: you know the area of Franklin Brentwood, just south of town. 81 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I'll ever own a home, pay property 82 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: taxes in Davidson County again for the rest of my life. 83 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: Born and raised in that county, lived in it until 84 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: about eight years ago when we moved out with the 85 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: birth of our third son, and I don't know that 86 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: I'll ever live in Davidson County again. Now I own 87 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: some property there, and certainly I go back and forth 88 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: as anybody would who lives close to a city. But 89 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: I'm so thoroughly disgusted with their management of COVID that 90 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to endorse it in any way. I also, 91 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: we have Chicago. We're going to analyze a little bit 92 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: more about what happened in that it was very tight. 93 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: It was fifty one forty nine in the percentage points 94 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: breakdown between Johnson, the progressive who won, and Vallis, who 95 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: was just It's funny Johnson was making Valis seem like 96 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: a right wing guy, which is just further clarification that 97 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: to say we're going to lock up violent criminals and 98 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: try to make people safer on the streets is a 99 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: right wing position. Now that it doesn't matter if you're 100 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: a Democrat. If you're a Democrat who says I don't 101 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: think you should have to get arrested one hundred times 102 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: before you do real time. I don't think we should 103 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: let convicted felons who get caught with loaded handguns on 104 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: the streets of our cities go because social justice. If 105 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: you take that position, you can lose to somebody who 106 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: says you're a right winger. And that is what happened 107 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: in Chicago in summary. But the other thing that came 108 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: in last night, and this is look, this is a 109 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: wake up call everybody. It's a wake up call the 110 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: same way that what happened in twenty twenty two with 111 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: the ballot harvesting and the realities of the close races 112 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: that we saw places like Arizona and Georgia. I remember 113 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: we were saying, guys, we got to get the machines 114 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: in place here to do what they're doing, a little 115 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: bit of pushback, which I can understand from some people 116 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: on the right. Now, Trump says you're gonna lose if 117 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: you don't do that, because he's seen the numbers. The 118 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: data is very clear on this. All right. We just 119 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: lost a we just lost not only a seat on 120 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: the Wisconsin Supreme Court, but we lost overall control of 121 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: the Wisconsin Supreme Court. And this is the first time 122 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: Libs have had a majority on that court for fifteen years, Clay, 123 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: and it's a big deal because now they're gonna ramp 124 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: everything they can do in that critical battleground state that 125 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: will help a Democrat in twenty twenty four. They're going 126 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: to ram it through. And GP sleep at the wheel 127 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: on this one. I don't know what else to say. 128 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: Out spend dramatically, outorganized dramatically. So do we want to 129 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: learn battleground state? How is this not even on the 130 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: radar of major activists and national level Republicans. Democrats are 131 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: better at elections right now. I think you just have 132 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: to accept that they are better at getting their votes out. 133 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: They're more strategic, they are more cutthroat, they want to 134 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: win more than Republicans do. And I think that's hard 135 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: for people out there to understand. But when you look 136 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: overall at the record, basically over what buck the last 137 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: five six years, since twenty sixteen, what can you point 138 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: to and say, man, Republicans have run an incredible campaign 139 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: and really kicked ass. I mean, we just had Joe 140 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: Biden's the worst president in any of our lives, and 141 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: we barely took back the House and we were not 142 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: able to take control of the Senate. In fact, we've 143 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: lost a seat. If you look at John Fetterman, there's 144 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: no Republican equivalent to John Fetterman. Dude who can get 145 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: elected to statewide office, can't even speak, immediately checks himself 146 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: into a hospital, looks like Uncle Fester. They are committed 147 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: to their ideas in a way that Republicans, frankly or not, 148 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: They're far more strategic, they're far more devious. They're winning. 149 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: Let's look at I mean, you raised, where have we 150 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: had a real bright spot, meaning a meaningful election in 151 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: a highly contested election where it really came down to 152 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: organizing ground game. Messaging is obviously always important. But where 153 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: the Republican showed us how it's done. And there have 154 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: been a few of those cases. Let's let's give full 155 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: credit to first and foremost on this list of governors, 156 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: Governor Rond Santisa, Florida. We were there in election night, 157 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: ran up the scoreboard in a way that it was 158 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: almost it was hard to say it out loud because 159 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: you thought you were going to be made fun of 160 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: because the number couldn't have been right. That was how 161 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: I felt, like, no way he could have won by 162 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: that many points. He did, so that was enormous. Governor 163 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: Glenn Yunkin of Virginia, how did he win? Yeah? I 164 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: should I should have put him in twenty one. That's 165 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: probably the last And what I mean when I'm saying 166 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm impressed by Descantists and look and Brian Kemp and Georgia, 167 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: they won big victories. Glenn Yunkin, I would say, Buck 168 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: is the last time, the only time maybe in the 169 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: last six years where in an election that you didn't 170 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: anticipate Republicans winning, a Republican found a way to win 171 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: and and did it in a way that everybody was like, wow, 172 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: thank you. The Descantists win was so total that that 173 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: is noteworthy, right, Yunkin was a huge shot across the 174 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: bout a Democrat. Yes. Your point about Kemp, I think 175 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: is interesting too, because it's worth remembering. I don't think anybody, 176 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: I don't even think Kemp believes he's a national level 177 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: guy as in presidential race guy. But he's a good 178 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: candidate for the state of Georgia. The people of Georgia 179 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: like him. He understands the system, he understands his state, 180 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: and that's something else that I think, you know, we 181 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: it's very easy for these some of these Republicans to oh, 182 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: they have national level name recognition, or they were famous, 183 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: or they're connected to you know, somebody big. Is this 184 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: person a good candidate for that state? Is? You know? 185 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: And that's something that I think we lose sight of, 186 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: especially on the media side. Sometimes. If I were running 187 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: for president and I were the nominee as a Republican, 188 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: I think I would pick Brian Kemp as my VP. 189 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 1: I don't think Trump's going to do it. Maybe if 190 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: the Sciantists were the nominee, he would consider it. And 191 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: the reason why Buck is complete strategy, yeah delivered. George 192 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: would guarantee Georgia is, in my opinion, coming back into 193 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: the Red camp. He beat Stacy Aberns by seven and 194 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: a half points. Usually the VP doesn't matter that much, 195 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: but if you look at Trump, that was an eleven 196 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: or twelve thousand vote difference. I think Brian Kemp, given 197 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: how popular he is, would put Georgia back into the 198 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: Republican camp. And I think, look, some of those numbers 199 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: on Glenn Junkin are still pretty extraordinary. If you truly 200 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: thought that you could put Virginia in play then Glenn 201 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: Yuncan as a vice presidential candidate would make a lot 202 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: of sense. My concern with Trump if he's a nominee 203 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: buck is he's just gonna pick And I'm not trying 204 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: to take a shot here. Nicky Haley or Tim Scott 205 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: or Christy Noham, somebody who's already in even maybe Carry Lake, 206 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: who I love, somebody who is in a state either 207 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: that it is already read or it does not have 208 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: necessarily the pull to flip estate. Here's the you know, 209 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: the challenge that we face so Wisconsin. Um, I just 210 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: want to say these lessons and then Clay, we do 211 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: have to do you realize that for the media with 212 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: the Trump we're about to get into this with Andy 213 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: McCarthy in detail everybody about the indictment about what Trump 214 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: said last night. That's coming up here in a minute, 215 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: but it was solemn for the media. We got to 216 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 1: come back in this day. We're just like, oh it 217 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: is it is a sad day for nation. I mean, 218 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: Miko was she had like a fan out and she 219 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: was it's getting crazy out here over on Morning Joe. 220 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: It's so funny. Anyway, the Chicago race, and I think 221 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: that we have to look at at the markers here, 222 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: look at the early indicators. The Chicago race shows you 223 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: that Democrats are are capable of voting for policies that 224 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: are quite literally putting them at physical risk. They just 225 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: they're so ideologically devoted. So don't think, oh, this place 226 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: or this state has suffered so much that there are 227 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: going to be Democrats who don't turn out or no 228 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: Democrat turnout, and pretty much everywhere is effectively guaranteed. That's 229 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: what we're up against. It's guaranteed. Obviously Chicago was Democrat 230 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: versus Democrat, but it just goes to show you their 231 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: tolerance for bad policies, I think is way more than 232 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: people realize. So don't expect them to say, oh, well, 233 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: they're doing a terrible job. Look at Gavin Newsom in California. 234 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: The tons of examples of this. And then the other 235 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: thing is the ground game and the election architecture before 236 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: election day matters. And what just happened in Wisconsin is 237 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: we failed to focus enough on that election. Kelly was 238 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: a very strong candidate. Daniel Kelly should have won that 239 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: Supreme Court seat, state Supreme Court seat. And what now 240 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: happens is we're behind the eight ball. Now we're going 241 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: into Wisconsin twenty twenty four with Democrats going to change 242 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: the structure of the election in every way they possibly can. 243 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: And what was the twenty twenty twenty thousand This stuff matters. 244 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: And Ron Johnson, our buddy, won by I think twenty 245 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: six thousand votes roughly in Wisconsin for the Senate race 246 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: that just took place in twenty twenty two. So I 247 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: mean we're talking about absolute margin, tiny difference between victory 248 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: and defeat, and Democrats have added a you know, pretty 249 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: substantial chess piece to their board. We'll come back. We'll 250 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: come back to this. Janet proto Sawitz is the new 251 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice in Wisconsin. Will come back to that 252 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: later on. But I mean, Clay, we've got to come 253 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: back in a moment here too. The media, I mean, 254 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: they were in mourning. It was so sad for them 255 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: to see Trump. It's hilarious that that's what they went with. 256 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: But that's what they did. We'll play it for me. 257 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: We come back in the meantime. Taking care of your family. 258 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: I try to do it every single day. 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He's, of course 287 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: Fox's contributor. He's at a National Review and is a 288 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: former prosecutor for the Southern Southern District of New York. Andy, 289 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: I just want your first reaction to it, and then 290 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: I have a specific question courtesy of the New York 291 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: Times about this one. But when you read this thing, 292 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: what was your takeaway? I guess two things. One is, 293 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: it seems to me like it's insufficient on its face 294 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: because it doesn't state a crime, so it fails in 295 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: the fundamental purpose of what an indictment is for, which 296 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: is to put the defendant on notice of what he's 297 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: charged with. And second, it's incoherent factually because Brad's theory 298 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: is that Trump essentially stole the twenty sixteen election by fraud, 299 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: And in order to prove that, what Bragg proposes to 300 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: do a show that he committed a series of thirty 301 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: four that he calls felony crimes. But those crimes take 302 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: place between February fourteenth and December fifth, twenty seventeen. So 303 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: I fail to see how acts that take place in 304 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen can have caused a fraud four months earlier? 305 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: Can I just say so any at the time? To 306 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: the point of The New York Times, the headline, their 307 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: main headline on the site right now about the indictment 308 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: is a surprise accusation bolsters a risky case against Trump? 309 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: Is what you're talking about, this surprise accusation? Like what 310 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: is this? Well, I guess it's still a surprise buck right, 311 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: because he hasn't told us what it is. But I 312 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: would say that I'm glad the New York Times thinks that, 313 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, a surprise and intrigue or I guess that's 314 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: good for coverage, but it's really bad criminal law because 315 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: one of the obligations that a prosecutor has is to 316 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: be the legal advisor to the grand jury in a 317 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: preceding an investigation that leads to an indictment. So we 318 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: all have a right under the Fifth Amendment not to 319 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: be hauled into court for a criminal trial unless a 320 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: grand jury has found probable cause that a crime is committed. 321 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: And the test there is that a grand jury has 322 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: to find that there's probable cause for every element of 323 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: the crime that the prosecutor wants to charge. So here 324 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: you have a situation where Bragg has charged Trump with 325 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: essentially falsifying his business records in order to conceal another crime. Well, 326 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: the indictment doesn't say what the other crime is, and 327 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: it's one thing not to tell Donald Trump that. I 328 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: think that makes the indictment fail on its face for 329 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: notice purposes. But it suggests strongly that Bragg didn't instruct 330 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: the grand jury on another crime, and that the grand 331 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: jury didn't find some of the crime under a probable 332 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: cause standard, which would also make the indictment insufficient. Okay, So, 333 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: and I just want to Andy, you're killing it here, 334 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: and I would want to dive into this. If this 335 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: were a misdemeanor book keeping violation, it would have a 336 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: two year statute of limitations that would be tossed out. 337 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: There'd be no way to charge on this at this 338 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: point in time, if the only way they can get 339 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: it under the statute of limitations is by trying to 340 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: argue that it's a felony because of this, you know, 341 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: a morphous which I'm going to get to in a 342 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: second second crime that they have not defined, and that 343 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: would theoretically create a five year statute of limitations, which also, 344 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: by the way, is potentially also in play because because 345 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: we're more than five years since this would have occurred. 346 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: Background there, so for this when you read this, strip 347 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: away Democrat Republican just be a prosecutor from the Southern 348 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: District of New York as you were in your career. 349 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: How embarrassed are you for Alvin Bragg and the New 350 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: York District Attorney's office that they would even allow this 351 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: farce to go on? And that after two hundred and 352 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: forty years of not ever charging a president, former president, 353 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: anything like that, that this would be the indictment that 354 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: breaks that president is to me a tremendous embarrassment to 355 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: their office, to the country at large? Is it to 356 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: you as well? Like now that you've seen all this, well, 357 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: here's why, Clay, You know, I was a prosecutor in 358 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: the building next door for about twenty years, and much 359 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: of the time I was there. In fact, I think 360 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: all of the time I was there, the legendary Bob 361 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: Morgenthaw was the District Attorney of New York County of Manhattan, 362 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: and he was, you know, he had been a US 363 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: attorney for many years in the Southern District of New 364 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: York became before he became Manhattan's DA for I think 365 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: thirty four years. And I think anybody who knows anything 366 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: about Morgantaw would know that he expected prosecutors in his 367 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: office to come up to a certain standard and to 368 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: conduct their use their powers in an aggressive, but appropriately 369 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: aggressive and ethical way, mindful of what the requirements that 370 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: due process of law are, and in the legacy of 371 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: that office, the adult leadership of the office would prevent 372 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: things like this indictment from happening. So I think from 373 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: that lofty perch, what we now have in the Manhattan 374 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: District Attorney's office is the District Attorney himself is the 375 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: exemplar of abuse. In other words, instead of playing the 376 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: role that supervisors are supposed to play, namely to make 377 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: sure that they're young, inexperienced, prosecutors don't do stuff like this. 378 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: This guy has politicized the office in a way that 379 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: would be unrecognizable to Bob Morgenthaw. To the point that 380 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: when Morganhaw was an elected DA too. But in the 381 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: culture of New York at the time, the qualifications to 382 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: that office if you if anyone had dared to run 383 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: against them, or had a prayer of running against them, 384 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: would it be that you had to match him in 385 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: terms of what being an exemplary prosecutor was that you 386 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: would enforce the law without fear or favor across the 387 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: board equally against everyone. Now we have a guy who 388 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: runs for office like a Soviet apparatic, promising to abuse 389 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: the power of his office in order to leverage them 390 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: against one guy, which is which would be I think 391 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: ten years ago even that would have been disqualified if 392 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: someone sought office on those grounds. The fact that he 393 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: got elected doing that is just mind boggling. So with Andy, 394 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: how is it possible that someone can defend themselves against 395 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: an indictment that lists thirty It's basically the same thing 396 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: thirty times right. So, and then to your point before, 397 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: it would be like the stolen property passed back and 398 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: forth between two individuals, you know, if two guys steal 399 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: a bike and they handed it all five times in 400 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: the course of usually don't charge him with five bike. 401 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,479 Speaker 1: That's right. But that's effectively what has happened here with 402 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: this bragg indictment. But how can anyone be expected to 403 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: defend themselves and have any kind of a fair trial 404 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: when they're saying, you committed this crime and there's another 405 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: crime that I'm not even naming, that you also committed, 406 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: and therefore the first crime that I've named is a 407 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: worse crime. How can you defend yourself if he doesn't 408 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: have to name the other crime, like he doesn't he 409 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: have to. Yeah, well, that's right. The indictment failed as 410 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: an indictment in the sense that an indictment in the 411 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: United States under our system, and this is a this 412 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: is a long Anglo American principle. But the indictment has 413 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: two functions. One is to put the defendant on notice 414 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: of exactly what the charges so he can prepare his defense. 415 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: So if you don't tell him what crimes he's accused 416 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: of committing, he can't prepare his defense, and the indictment 417 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: sails for that reason. The second thing an indictment is 418 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: supposed to be is your proof for double jeopardy purposes 419 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: that you've already been prosecuted for the crime charge. So again, 420 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: if it doesn't articulate the crime in the four corners 421 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: of the indictment, then then you don't. You can't play 422 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: double jeopardy. So to my mind, just the basic function 423 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: of an indictment. And as you guys said, you know 424 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: a second ago, we're not talking here Republican Democrat concerned. 425 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: This is just like basic clinical stuff. So with that 426 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: in mind, Andy, I do what indictment you're looking at 427 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: this just as a person who has Clay pointed out 428 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: twenty plus years officer of the Court in the Federal 429 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: Southern District of New York, in a fair in a 430 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: fair system, would Alvin Bragg be subject to getting disbarred? 431 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: In your mind, well, I mean he's got an argument. 432 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: And I don't like you know, I've said in defense 433 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: of John Eastman and the whole January sixth stuff, I 434 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: don't like the idea of pro legal analysis right theories. 435 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: So I don't want to do to Brag what I 436 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: wouldn't do to Eastman. And I would say that Bragg 437 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: has an argument to make. I think it's a frivolous argument. 438 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: But he's got an argument. I think he's going to 439 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: come in and say, the statute that I'm invoking here 440 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: doesn't specify which crime it has to be that he's 441 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: concealing in order to make it a felony. You know, 442 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: the statute says it's sell any felony falsification of business records. 443 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: And what the statute says is he had the intent 444 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: to conceal another crime. And I have What Bregg is 445 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: going to say is I have simply tracked the language 446 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: of the statue, which should be adequate to due process purposes. 447 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: We're talking to Anna McCarthy the rest and ability. Yeah, 448 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: sorry to cut you off. I was just going to say, yes, okay, 449 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: if you were representing Trump right now and you immediately 450 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: see this, don't you demand that this be dismissed as 451 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: insufficient on its face. Now, maybe, like you say in 452 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: the bill, in particulars, they can specify more so, but 453 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: do you think there's any chance that this judge tosses 454 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: these charges? Should he? If he does not, they have 455 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: this hearing on December fourth to consider all the motions. 456 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: What sort of recourse would Trump have before trial, based 457 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: on your experience, to try to get these things tossed 458 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: before he even has to a beer, potentially in front 459 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: of a jury. Yeah, so here's what I would do. 460 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: And obviously they're closer to it than I am. They 461 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: have much more information than I do. So take this 462 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: with whatever grain assault you care to. But I don't 463 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: fault them for not yet making emotions to dismiss because 464 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: they just got the indictment at two thirty yesterday afternoon, 465 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: so that you know, you have to give them a 466 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: chance to digest it. And I don't blame the judge 467 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: for not, like, as they say in the law Sue Asponte, 468 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: like on his own hook, dismissing it. Judges don't tend 469 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: to do that. They wait for a defense motion. But 470 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: now that these guys have had a chance to digest 471 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: what's in the indictment, I think it's one thing to say, 472 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, fine, we can have a Like the long 473 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: motion schedule to judge gave him, I think he says 474 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: they have to have their emotions in by August or something, 475 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: after the state makes discovery. But I would be in 476 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: there today under the judge's toes if I could saying 477 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: two things one, This indictment fails as an indictment because 478 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: on its face, it doesn't state the crime and it 479 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: doesn't give us notice of what the crime is. So 480 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: it fails the basic test of what an indictment is. 481 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: And while in another case it might be fine to 482 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: wait until August to hash all of that out, here 483 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: you have a situation where state criminal law enforcement processes 484 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: are being allowed to intrude into a national federal election. 485 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: And before a court should allow that to happen, they 486 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: ought to make sure that the state has a real 487 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: crime and that there's sufficient and convincing evidence that Trump 488 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: probably well, and you might have to set up a 489 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: special phone just for you to call in over the 490 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: next nine months or so. But thank you, Andy McCarthy, 491 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. As always, appreciate everybody. 492 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: Thanks guys. Spring cleaning just got a whole lot easier 493 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: with Legacy Box, the Tennessee based company that digitally preserves 494 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: old medium I'm talking videotapes, film reels, photo albums, all 495 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: the things that take up space in your home but 496 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: you don't want to throw out because they contain precious memories. 497 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,239 Speaker 1: The problem is they will deteriorate over time, not to 498 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: mention being at risk of heat, mold, and fire. 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So I've got the Chicago Mayor's race 523 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: the Wisconsin State Supreme Court race both decided and in 524 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: ways that I think are discouraging but and bad for 525 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: the state of Wisconsin and for the video of Chicago, respectively. 526 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: But I first wanted to speak a little bit about 527 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: the murder of this tech executive, Bob Lee, because Bob 528 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: Lee is well known in Silicon Valley circles. He is 529 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: the cash app founder, So any of you who have 530 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: ever you know what you know, use cash app. Note 531 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: app is He's also involved in cryptocurrency, so he's very 532 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: tied in in the Silicon Valley circles. And he had 533 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: because San Francisco. And this is a part of the 534 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: story that so fascinating. C clay. I didn't see this 535 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: in the CBS, right up. I didn't see this in 536 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: the New York Times right up. I was doing a 537 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: little checking. He had recently moved to Miami, Florida, because 538 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: San Francisco is such a hell hole because of the 539 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: Democrats who run it and the lawlessness there. So this 540 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: guy leaves San Francisco, moves to Rhonda, santiss Florida, is 541 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: a fellow Miami In, recent fellow Miami in and has 542 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: to go back to San Francisco just for a work 543 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: trip and is stabbed a death at two o'clock in 544 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: the morning Pacific time outside of a luxury apartment building 545 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: in downtown San Francisco. Basically, that is what happened here. 546 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: And I had somebody, a friend who had spent time 547 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: in the Bay Area actually, and we're working with tech 548 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: companies sex and he said, yeah, this is now San 549 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: Francisco too dangerous downtown for business trips, never mind for living. 550 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: That is the takeaway that some people will have here. 551 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: Now we just said to you yesterday. We said to 552 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: you yesterday that San Francisco was down what was it, 553 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: five hundred and forty police officers as a result of 554 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: the current mayor, London Breed being in favor of defunding police. 555 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 1: Now there's more and more break ins, car theft, and 556 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: violent crime rising in that city. It's a place that 557 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: I used to think of in the did you watch 558 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: Full House as a kid, Oh loved it, And my 559 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: kids all watched Fuller House, which is the I believe 560 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: Netflix update Egg involving a lot of the new same people, 561 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: but as adults. Yes, so my kids loved it too. 562 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: Bob Sagett, you know rest in Peace, you know John Stamos, 563 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,479 Speaker 1: the whole Full House crew. I love that show when 564 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: I was a kid, and it just had all these pictures. 565 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: San Francisco was like Paradise, beautiful city, very safe, amazing food. 566 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: They're ruining it, okay, and they are the Democrats, and 567 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: it is very clear that this is what is happening. 568 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: Now here's the problem. We could sit here and provide 569 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: all the data that we want to. Then you look 570 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: at the similar situation. Soft on crime policies. We all 571 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: know what they are. No cash bail, no rest for this, 572 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: no prosecution for that, Let people out, don't punish them, 573 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: open air drug use, camp in the streets. And all 574 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: of our Portland audience is nodding their heads, our Seattle audiences, 575 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: not a lot of cities are going through this across 576 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: the country. Clay Chicago just had a choice, I think, 577 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: was it almost roughly between six and seven hundred murders 578 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: I think was it last year or the year before, 579 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: which is a staggering number for a city of that size. 580 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: And Chicago just had an election where they could choose 581 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: between Vallis, who just said, look, I'm going to make 582 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: this place safer for all of you. That is my 583 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: mission in life if I become the mayor. Now he 584 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: only lost by a couple of points. He lost to Johnson, 585 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: who is a progressive, a leftist, a socialist. And what 586 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: was so interesting is, and this is a hat tip 587 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: to my friend Ryan Grdosky, our friend Ryan Grdosky for 588 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: his National Populist newsletter on Substack, he's done a breakdown 589 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: of the data. Do you know why Johnson won Chicago 590 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: Clay because the highest crime precincts in Chicago overwhelmingly voted 591 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: for the soft on crime candidate. What can you make 592 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: of this? They voted for the black guy. I mean, honestly, 593 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: it's identity politics writ large. And I keep thinking that 594 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: there is going to be a recognition of what hell 595 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: holes many of these cities have become, and that at 596 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: their most basic level, it's because they're adopting anti police, 597 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: anti capitalism you mentioned in San Francisco. Here's a staff 598 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 1: for you, Buck. I think I saw this in the 599 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal earlier this week. Thirty percent of all 600 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: commercial real estate business rentals in San Francisco right now 601 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: are empty. You know this because you're a New York 602 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: City guy born in Bread. A lot of people are 603 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: not coming back into New York City now and going 604 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: to work. So not only are you dealing with a 605 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: rise in crime, you're dealing with a massive decline in 606 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: the available tax rate, which is creating, for instance, in 607 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: New York City, major issues for Eric Adams going forward 608 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: because they're running off the wealthiest. This just happened in Chicago, 609 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: Ken Griffin, I believe, as the head of Citadel, multi billionaire, 610 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: he relocated to Florida. Chicago. I'm done, I'm done with 611 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: the crime in Chicago. I believe I am correct that 612 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: one of the top executives that Citadel was attacked outside 613 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: of the building and it was the culmination of we 614 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 1: can't do this anymore, I'm out, And he basically said, 615 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: I'm relocating my entire business from Chicago to Florida. And 616 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: this is happening in a big way. Buck, in New York. 617 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: A tiny percentage of people pay in most big cities 618 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: and an inordinate amount of the tasks that allow those 619 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: cities to exist, and those taxes, if you're a billionaire, 620 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: they fund police for poorer people, they fund schools for 621 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: poorer people. When those billionaires leave, you can almost legitimately 622 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: look at the tax rolls and say, man, if fifty 623 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: people leave, our tax roles take a legitimate hit just 624 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 1: based on the income that these guys are producing. And 625 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: I keep waiting for it, Buck, because you went through it. 626 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 1: Things in New York City got so bad that finally 627 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: people said we have to have a law and order mayor, 628 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: and that was Rudy Giuliani. And New York made pretty 629 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 1: solid whether you look. I mean Rudy Julie Yanni followed 630 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: by Mayor Bloomberg. That's pretty solid mayoral leadership, right. I mean, 631 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: you can quibble with a lot of the decisions they made. 632 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: They weren't perfect. On Bloomberg was a look I work 633 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: for him at one point in the YPD. Bloomberg was 634 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 1: a competent mayor, full stop, stop. And so they're not 635 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: I think anytime if you're not the mayor yourself relying 636 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: on any mayor to be perfect is a fallacy, right, 637 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: And I've also said this, you know, progressives, progressives, which 638 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: Bloomberg really is in a lot of ways, not on everything, 639 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: but in a lot of ways. If he wants to 640 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: annoy me about the size of my soda, which he did, 641 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: not that I don't even drink soda, but you get 642 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: the idea. But the streets are safe, Crime is way down, 643 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 1: business investment is up, the schools are improving. People feel 644 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: like things are cleaner, safer, and better in the city 645 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: and as a community. All right. I mean he's annoying 646 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,439 Speaker 1: me about the sodas you know, and he's he's bad 647 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: or straw, but like that stuff can be super annoying, 648 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: but it doesn't go to whether or not you're able 649 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: to walk outside on the street. And the test I 650 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: always say, buck is if you don't live in a 651 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: neighborhood where you would be comfortable with your wife or 652 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: daughter going out for a jog at seven p and 653 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: a sports bra or in you know, like shorts or whatever, 654 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,479 Speaker 1: that is a city that's not safe. How many people 655 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: in America right now can't answer that question. Yes, So 656 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: in Chicago, ro specifically going back to it. I think 657 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: it's important that we frame this in a way that's 658 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: that's very honest. Johnson won this mayor's race because the 659 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: black community overwhelmingly came out and voted for him. That 660 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: is just what the data shows. And there are people 661 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: with a responsibility to speak the truth about what is 662 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: happening in that city for the residence of the city. 663 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: But if you look at you know, different liberal media outlets, 664 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: you look at you know, I don't even know who did. 665 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: Then can someone fact check this for me? I'm just 666 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: guessing by them, I don't know. I mean, tell me 667 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: who the Chicago Tribune came out in favor of in 668 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: this mayor's race. I'm curious to see. I'm sure they 669 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: probably wrote some kind of an endorsement. Maybe it was Valis, 670 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,280 Speaker 1: maybe they realized. But what you see is that overwhelmingly, 671 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: Even if in that case it's not the case that 672 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: they would rather the people who live in safe liberals 673 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: of all races and backgrounds, who live in safe neighborhoods 674 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: of major cities, would rather give their support and their 675 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: money to media entities and to politicians and to organizations 676 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: that will not make this city safer because it makes 677 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: them feel good about themselves. To continue to push policies 678 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: of de incarceration of the criminal justice system is racist. 679 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: The cops are the bad guys, so they would rather 680 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: allow the people in their own city to suffer. The 681 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: data is clear. The Chicago experiment with the policies of 682 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: Lorry Lightfoot and the Democrats rid large. I mean, Clay, 683 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: it can't even get into well, you're not allowed to 684 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: do a foot chase basically in Chica Ago anymore. If 685 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: you're a cop, you know, you can't get out of 686 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: your car and chase somebody. These are policies that are 687 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: being pushed through and the Democrats, the Democrat organs of propaganda, 688 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: lie to people about this and they don't care what 689 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: the consequences are. It's valis was the Chicago Tribune endorsed 690 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: candidate and I think but look at that they actually 691 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: did it still didn't. I think that speaks to how 692 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: much crime is motivating the decisions of many rational Chicago ones. 693 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: And what I would say, I mean again, you know endorsed, 694 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, didn't George Johnson, by the way, just teachers union, 695 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: they're teachers unions, Teachers Sanders and Elizabeth Warren all endorsed Johnson. Well, 696 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: that's I'm really speaking about the Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders mentality. 697 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: Those two individuals, first of all, are you know, quite 698 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: old and have not dealt with what it is like 699 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,439 Speaker 1: to be you know, they haven't like driven their own 700 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: car and how many decades at this point, okay, never 701 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: mind going too high crime areas. They're not worried about 702 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,040 Speaker 1: their safety. But they'll you know, drop right into the 703 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: middle of the Chicago race and promote as progressive liberals, 704 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: a candidate whose policies are going to make the people 705 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 1: of Chicago, and more specifically the black residents of Chicago 706 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: less safe on their own streets. And they just don't care, Clay, 707 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: they just don't care. BLM has led directly to the 708 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: deaths of thousands of black people who would otherwise be 709 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: alive because they have pulled back police and or ensured 710 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: that police get fired. And if you're waking up this morning, 711 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: I guarantee there's people listening to us who work in 712 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 1: law enforcement in Chicago. Why in the world would you 713 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: stay there? You've got a mayor now who said that 714 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: police basically are the enemy. You can move all over 715 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: the country if you have an option. I think a 716 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: lot of you are going to have to make this decision. 717 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: I know COVID was a spur, but when I look 718 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: at where people are moving from in my state and 719 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,800 Speaker 1: in my neighborhood, Buck overwhelmingly LA Chicago, New York City 720 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: and the suburban areas there. People are done. They're fed up. Unfortunately, 721 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: take a while till twenty thirty till we see the 722 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 1: full impact of this from a census perspective. But if 723 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: you can leave Chicago, especially if you have a family, 724 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: I would leave. It's really interesting. I mean, I'm actually 725 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: looking at the full endorsement list for Brandon Johnson. It 726 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: is ultra left wing socialist unions like the Teachers Union 727 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: and others SEIU, Bernie and Elizabeth, and then a whole 728 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 1: bunch of community organizers, the whole apparatus of community organizers 729 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: who all they're talking about in the case of Chicago 730 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: is how they're going to make things better for the 731 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: residence of you know, I'm looking here like the eleventh, Ward, twelfth, Ward, 732 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: forty eighth, Ward, forty eighth Ward. Neighbors for Justice is 733 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: one of the organizations that went for him, and they 734 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: all just supported a mayor who is going to result 735 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: in more young kids getting shot in the crossfire of 736 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: gang violence on the South Side. That is what they 737 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: just did. And it's a shame because because half of 738 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: Chicago knows what the real deal was here, what should 739 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: have been done. I don't know how much worse it's 740 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,359 Speaker 1: gonna have to get bucked, but they picked a worse 741 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: mayor than Lorie Lightfoot, who was the worst mayor in 742 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: the country. 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The 769 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: elections last night in Chicago and in Wisconsin were a 770 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 1: mess for everyone out there who cares about truth justice 771 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: in the American way. Combine that with Trump being arrested, 772 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: and I think it all adds up to this situation 773 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: where they care about power more than we care about 774 00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: power luck, and they're willing to do whatever it takes. 775 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: And I just I can't stop thinking about this freak 776 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: result in Pennsylvania where they put Fetterman in office, and 777 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: how nobody's even paying attention to the fact that he's 778 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,399 Speaker 1: effectively been in a hospital now for three months since 779 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,879 Speaker 1: he got to DC. He can't do the job. So 780 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: Democrats have a not only a maniacal fixation on power, 781 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:31,280 Speaker 1: but along with that on winning. Was there any threat 782 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 1: really of you know, en mass in large numbers of 783 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: a whoever the Democrat nominee was going to be in 784 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty? Were there Democrats are saying, Oh, I won't 785 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 1: I won't turn out for that, you know, unless it's 786 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,879 Speaker 1: my Democrat, I won't do it. No, yep. Was there 787 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: a lot of Democrat in fighting that cost them different races, 788 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 1: different close races in states? Or no? Because ultimately, I 789 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: don't know how many Star Trek Nerds there are out there, 790 00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: which I'm kind of I used to watch it when 791 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: I was a kid a bit more. But you know, 792 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: the Borg, which is like the cyborgs that are all interconnected. 793 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: The Democrats are like the Borg Okay. Ultimately they do 794 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: whatever they have to do to win the intergalactic war 795 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: for power, and we sit around going, I don't know 796 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: if that's you know, what would the founders have said 797 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: about it? You know, I'm just saying, we gotta get 798 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 1: a little ruthless on our team. This is my book, 799 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: buck that now. I believe it's coming out in August. 800 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,280 Speaker 1: It's a game plan. If you keep getting your ass kicked, 801 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: you're running the wrong game plan, right, I mean, I 802 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: just I don't know how to say it otherwise, and 803 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,879 Speaker 1: you point it out and it is fair. Glenn Young 804 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: can won an unexpected win in twenty twenty one, but basically, 805 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: think about the elections since twenty sixteen. How often have 806 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,800 Speaker 1: you been super engaged, excited and thrilled with the result. 807 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: If you keep losing sooner or later, you have to 808 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: change the game plan. You have to get now astier, 809 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: you have to get more committed, you have to figure 810 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: out how to win. 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