1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: M beaute force. If it doesn't work, you're just not 2 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software Radio, Special operations, military 3 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: news and straight talk with the guys in the community. Hello, 4 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: we got everyone. Welcome back to soft Rep Radio. I'm 5 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: your host this afternoon, Steve Balistrari joining us right now. 6 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: We have a very special guest with us. Tom Spooner, 7 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: uh former Delta Force, seventh Special Forces Group, which is 8 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: uh always partial to my heart there um uh he 9 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: it's uh twenty one years in the military. Um. And 10 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: then after he was out, Yeah, he had problems with 11 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: like with a lot of veterans do with the PTS 12 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: uh t b I and he started a well, he 13 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: was co founder, I should say, uh, Warrior's Heart, and 14 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: it's called Warrior's Heart dot Com. It's a ranch located 15 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: in Bandera, Texas, just outside of San Antonio. And we're 16 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: gonna talk to him all about all of this stuff. 17 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: But before we're going further, let's bring him onto the podcast. Tom, 18 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,639 Speaker 1: thanks for taking the time with us this afternoon. Steve, 19 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. I'm happy to be here. You know, 20 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: we're a military podcast, so everyone loves hearing everyone's bio 21 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: can you tell us a little bit about yourself and 22 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: your military career. Yes, I'll try to do a shorter 23 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: version that's possible, and then we can dive into whatever 24 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: parts you'd like you. Um. But so I came in 25 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: the military in nineteen I was at basic training, you know. Uh, 26 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: right when I was at basic training, the Gulf War 27 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: kicked off, and Uh the funny story was, you know, 28 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: I told my would be wife at the time, you know, 29 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: uh that oh, there's nothing going on in the military. 30 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: She was all worried about going or and never happened. 31 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: It hadn't happened in years. And then when I was 32 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: at basically kicked off. So, um, I went to Basic A, 33 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: I t jump school and uh straight to the eighty 34 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: second and then was there a couple of months and 35 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: then over to the Gulf. So from ninety to ninety 36 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: five I was in the eighty second and first to 37 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: five fourth UM. Then ninety six to two thousand one 38 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: I was in seven Special Force Group as a team Charlie. 39 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: And then from two thousand one, in two thousand until 40 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven when I retired, I was out 41 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: at the unit. So I ended up doing twelve deployments 42 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: forty total months time in combat and uh, and then 43 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: I retired. One of our writers here a saw from 44 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: George Handon was over in the unit. I don't know 45 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: if you know George. I know who he is. We 46 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: didn't work together, but I definitely know who he is. Yeah, 47 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: George is quite popular. He writes some great stories and uh, 48 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: he just published a book, so I look forward to 49 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: reading that one soon. But let's talk about you. Um, 50 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, after all this time in the military. Uh, 51 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: obviously you had some problems of your own. Can you 52 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: get into that a little bit? Absolutely whenever, So for me, 53 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: fortunate or unfortunate, I consider it fortunate. I I struggled 54 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: with with alcohol and alcoholism at a young age and uh, 55 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: and I ended up getting sober whenever I was twenty 56 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: two years old, when I was in the eighty second. 57 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: So the majority of my military career. Uh, you know 58 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: what I mean, I didn't I didn't drink and I 59 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: am not the alcohol police. I have not you know 60 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like, alcohol is a huge part of 61 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: our community. It's huge part of our culture and what 62 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: we do. Uh. And don't have any problem with it. 63 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: But if it's if alcohol is destroying your marriage or 64 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: destroying your family, or destroying your career, you know, as 65 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: being a soldier. Uh, then I got a problem with that, 66 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: and you should too, you know. So I just want 67 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: to be very clear that I'm not a teetotal or 68 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I couldn't spend eighteen years and 69 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: spec offos and with that kind of attitude, you know. 70 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: So No, it's tough. I mean alcohol is a big 71 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: part of um winding down. I guess this is the 72 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: way of putting it. Yeah, me, I just you know, 73 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: I was one of those guys you know that you would, 74 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: you know, get all lit up one night and do 75 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: like insane things and you'd say, yeah, man, hey, bro, 76 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: you you probably shouldn't drink, you know. And because I 77 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: got that's what I always say as uh, you know, 78 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm allergic to alcohol. I break out in handcuffs, you know. 79 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: So it's uh So anyway, alcohol did not agree with me. 80 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: Uh and so I ended, I got sober, you know, 81 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: I had to get some help and got sober. But 82 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: the thing was, you know, I mean it just made 83 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,679 Speaker 1: me a more incredible soldier, you know it uh for me? Anyway, again, 84 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: not pushing it on anyone. It was what I needed 85 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: to do. And then, um, so that was a big 86 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: part of the story, especially when it comes uh, you 87 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: know to whenever I got out, but also whenever I 88 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: was in, especially you know, from two thousand one to 89 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, when I was still deploying. Uh 90 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: in two thousand six, I got an undiagnosed t B. 91 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: I you know, during those time frames, I mean, everybody 92 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: was getting blown up. You know. It wasn't uh you know, 93 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't like, oh my god, I got 94 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: blown up, Maybe I should get checked out. It was like, oh, 95 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: I'm finally in the club now, I guess, you know, 96 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: and uh, but it was it was significant and I 97 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: didn't know it at the time. I ate eight two 98 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: millimeter more a round probably about one away. It was. Yeah, 99 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: so that's where I got. That was two thousand six. 100 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 1: So I kept you know, deploying, you know, and working 101 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: around a lot of explosives, a lot more concussions and everything. 102 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: And now we know that that stuff is non linear, 103 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's uh, it's not incremental. So I had 104 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: some pretty significant uh tv I going on, and and 105 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: I had a fair share of post traumatic stress or 106 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: what I just like call an unprocessed trauma, you know. 107 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: And uh, and so that got me into a really 108 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,799 Speaker 1: bad way to come two thousand and ten. And um 109 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: so I had never I had never planned on getting 110 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: out of the military. Man. I was a freaking super lifer, 111 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I got I mean from 112 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: the time I was old enough to remember, you know, 113 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: I was that ten year old kid running around my 114 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: Vietnam VETT uncle's uh you know us paratrooper death from 115 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: Above t shirt on. You know. I mean it was 116 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: just so I never you know, thirty years you know, 117 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: wherever they're going to have to kick me out. But 118 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: between the PTS and mainly the t V I aspect 119 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: of it at that time, I ended up getting med 120 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: boarded out because multiple reasons, the normal broken part, you know, 121 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: back surgery, broken back, you know. I mean we all 122 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: got out of the same happened to me. I got 123 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,679 Speaker 1: I med a med board out nineties eight. So yeah, 124 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: So it was so, you know, it was it was 125 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: really rough. Everybody like you know, talks about the transition 126 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, a transition out of any profession, 127 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: for when that's what you spent your whole adult life doing. 128 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: You know, it was a big deal, especially the one 129 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: we were involved in. And um, you know, but I 130 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: mean I was, I was, I was in a bad way. 131 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: I ended up going to the tp I clinic here 132 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: on Fort Bragg and got tested and uh, and so 133 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: the kind of a cool thing, I guess you can 134 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: can't say it cool with brain trauma. But you know 135 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: when the dog I took all the tests, you know, 136 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: that six hours worth of testing with puzzles and you know, 137 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: with a person, and and it's so definitive. It's not 138 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: subjective to who's reading it. You know, it's uh, it's 139 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: it's definitive. And when the doc who was reading it 140 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: to me, you know, he said, hey, you're operating at 141 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: fift process and speed. You're operating verbal memory. So my 142 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: symptoms at that time was like at times I wouldn't 143 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: even know where I was. Uh, Like, I mean, hell, 144 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: I used to drive, you know for ten years straight. 145 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: You know, from the back gate to my house is 146 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: about three different turns. And you know I did it, 147 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: you know, twice a day for ten years. But at 148 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: that time two thousan ten, you know, no iPhone yet, 149 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: but I would have to plug in my GPS, uh 150 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: my address to get home, because that would just yeah. So, 151 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: I mean I was cognizant, and you really wouldn't know 152 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: what was going on in the old squirrel cage, you 153 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I present it as if like, Okay, 154 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: maybe a little angry, you know, a little mean, but 155 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: you know normal dude. Um, I had huge mood swings 156 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: going on and uh, just a lot of the typical 157 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: symptoms that were t v I, but I didn't know it. 158 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: So when the doc read me those results, uh, he 159 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: kind of thought I was having a little bit of 160 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: a moment, you know, because he stopped a second and 161 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: he said, hey, I just want to make sure you 162 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: understood what I what I just said to you, you know. 163 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, Doc, no, uh, I hear you. 164 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: You know, I understand, uh you know, brain indrews bad 165 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: and processing verbal memory. I was like that you just 166 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: told me I wasn't crazy, and uh and that was 167 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: a huge thing to me because I thought I was 168 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: just losing my my losing it, you know. And so 169 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: I understand injury, and you can recover from injury, but 170 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: you can't recover from crazy. I mean, we don't, you know. 171 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: So and so when he told me I had an injury, sucked. 172 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: It was my brain. But man it it you know, 173 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: man it it gave me a lot of hope, you know. 174 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: So I ended up doing man like the full gamut, uh, 175 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: three months, three or three and a half months of 176 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: intensive cognitive therapy, vestibular therapy, psychological therapy. Even had to 177 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: get a little bit of it on meds for a 178 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: little bit. And uh, the crazy thing about all that 179 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: is that it works, uh, you know, man and that. 180 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: But one of the key things for me were a 181 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: few key things. It was, Man, I just started getting 182 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: after it like I would in the military. You know. 183 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't happy about getting out, but it was really 184 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, hey, it was realistic. I couldn't 185 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: wear a kit without taking narcotics and that wasn't gonna happen, 186 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: you know. So so it was like, hey, I just 187 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: had to deal with with what I had, you know. 188 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: So I attacked this whole healing kind of aspect of 189 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: things the same way I did sniper school or ranger 190 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: school or the que course or selection, you know what 191 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: I mean. It was just like, hey, what's next? What 192 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: can I go through next? You know? So, so I 193 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: just adopted that same mindset because it was like any 194 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: other those tough military schools. Man, it's sucked, you know. 195 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: It was. There was a bunch of guys from group. 196 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: We were in there in vestibular treatment. That's where you're like, 197 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, look at stuff and shake your head, and 198 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: they just have puke buckets, you know, next to you, 199 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: and we'd all just it was like on a you know, 200 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: a screwed up team party or something where you know 201 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: what I mean to say, you do all these crazy 202 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: tricks until you puke and then you could do it more, 203 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, and uh, but anyway, I got through all that. 204 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: But man, I'm here to tell you. For me, the 205 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: the only thing that really stopped me from being, you know, 206 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: one of the twenty two suicides was as I didn't 207 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: have that trifecta. I didn't have the chemical dependency or 208 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: self medication thing going on. And I'm not saying that 209 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: because of woe yea me. I'm just saying it that 210 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: I really made it through without that. So I can 211 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: only imagine, you know, I mean folks that are self medicated, 212 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean you throw a bunch of pills 213 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: on top of some TV I on top of a 214 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: bunch of unprocessed trauma and then just add booze. You know, well, 215 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: that's how it happens. I mean, we all know guys 216 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, and some of them was were 217 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: people we would consider the strongest guys that we were around. Absolutely, man. 218 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: But you know that the thing that I learned, obviously, 219 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: I learned a ton through that whole process. And uh, 220 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: you know, and I have to mention too, that the 221 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: the hugest part about me, and it's always been my 222 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: motivation was my family. You know what I mean. I've 223 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: got this spartan queen of a freaking wife who's way 224 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: more badass than I am. I got two boys you 225 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: know that are young men now, but you know, I 226 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: mean that's what that's what kept my fire going, you know, was, Hey, 227 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: I gotta Now my team wasn't you know, O d A, 228 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, or or wherever it was. It was my family. 229 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: You know, that was my team. So hey, I don't 230 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: want to let my team down, So hey, I gotta 231 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: freaking perform. Yeah, you know. So it was different categories 232 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: but same things, and uh, man, I just I learned 233 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: so much through that whole process of Hey, number one, 234 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: how hard it is to do it. But then um, 235 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: that is totally doable. But I gotta have mission and 236 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: I have to have purpose, you know, all the all 237 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: the stuff we grew up with, you know, I mean, 238 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: which which just made us be able to accomplish. But 239 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: it was you know, man, it's freaking tough, you know. 240 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: But the other thing that got me through that that 241 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: I want to mention was the Care Coalition, so calm 242 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: Care coalition, because man, i'd those guys had to like 243 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: at times they had to sign someone to me where 244 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: where I mean, I'm not kidding, Hay, and carrying me 245 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: through my appointments and the medboard process because I had 246 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: all these cognitive of you know, executive functioning things going on, 247 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, so and it was very uh piste me off, 248 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, because I would know that you know, I 249 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: knew I knew how to do something very simple like 250 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: find room one oh seven, you know what I mean 251 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: at Walmac the man that spent two hours running around 252 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: the hospital, you know, and just not so. I mean 253 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: I literally they hand carried me through a huge part 254 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: of the process, uh you know, and uh, anyway, I'd 255 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: go on and on about that man but it was 256 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: just it's the biggest thing I'm trying to say that 257 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: that is, yes, I had the willingness, you know what 258 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, to walk through the doors and sign up 259 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: and volunteer to do all this ship. I mean, I'd 260 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: rather you getting a fucking gunfight, man, then talk to 261 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: a psych or you know, do all that other crap. 262 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: You know. I mean that's but volunteered, you know, and 263 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: uh and and just got to continue on with it, 264 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, you know. It's funny you mentioned that 265 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of the guys that I've 266 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: talked to with this, they've said the same thing. I'd 267 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: rather get in a gunfight being out number ten to 268 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: one than to talk to a doctor. I'm I'm the 269 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: exact same way I was. I was actually at the 270 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: v A this morning, so um, I'd rather get a 271 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: root canal than go there. But you know we have 272 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, And that the thing is, man it 273 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: And it's a cool thing that I learned, is that. 274 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about rule, you know what I mean. 275 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: There are complex psychological issues schizophrenia, bipolar, you know what 276 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: I mean, multiple personality like, but the of the folks 277 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: that are you know, pretty dang functionally just having a 278 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: hard time. Manag is trained or untrained, Like I had 279 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: not received any training, uh in how to process trauma 280 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: and handle my emotions that didn't include violence, you know. 281 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: You know, I had the you know that piece down, 282 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's why we we were 283 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: good at it, you know. And but I just I 284 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: just I just make it make sense to what I understand. 285 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: It's just like when I showed up to the twenty 286 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: five line with my pistol for the first time, and 287 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to shoot bulls, you know, I'm not even 288 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: hitting the target, you know, and then someone instructor walked up, Hey, 289 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: when's that? You know? When's I'm like, man, I can't 290 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: even hardly hit the target. It's like, well, when's the 291 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: last time you received training on shooting twenty you know, 292 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: bulls at the pistol. I was like, well, I never have. 293 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: And it's like, well, then doesn't it make sense that 294 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: you suck? You know? I'm like well yeah, And it's 295 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: like so then we received training, and then we put 296 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: it into practical application and we get better. And what 297 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: I've found, man, is that same thing that we've lived 298 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: our whole military careers with holds true in mental, emotional, 299 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: and spiritual well being. Like, dude, it's just like the gym. 300 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: I can watch videos about going to the gym. We 301 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: could talk about going to the gym. I can make 302 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: plans about going to the gym until last start lifting 303 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: those heavy things up a bunch of times, like any 304 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: ship happening. Man, that's it. So it's funny you mentioned 305 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: going to the range because I you know, brought back 306 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: a memory. Yeah, in the old days at Montlake, they 307 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: bring you out you shoot a target the first day 308 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: and they had you put your name on and take 309 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: it down. And then at the end of training, did 310 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: you get you out there one more time and you 311 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: shoot it and then they bring out the first one 312 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: and they would compare notes and say, did you learn anything? Yeah? 313 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: It appears so yeah, man. And that's how you know. 314 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: There's there's all these stigmas and all this stuff on. 315 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about being week and all that. 316 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: Like people are going to think what they think, and 317 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: that's okay, you know what I mean. But the thing is, 318 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: it's not all this voodoo like WHOA or some kind 319 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: of hippie crap, you know what I mean, it's like, no, man, 320 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: It's like, hey, I mean if I had you mean, 321 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: we we do it all the time and whatever the category. Man, 322 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,959 Speaker 1: if we needed radio training, you know what I mean, 323 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: and there was an outside source, we would do it. 324 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: If we needed driver training, if we needed advanced marksmanship, 325 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, we would. We always saw 326 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: it to identify our I mean n c O stuff, 327 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: you know, identify my strengths and weaknesses, you know what 328 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: I mean, and then okay, how am I working on 329 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: that stuff? You know, it didn't make me weak to 330 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: know that I sucked a shooting a rifle, you know 331 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: what I mean. It just meant I needed some training. 332 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: Now if after the training, I still sucked within a 333 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: within I I just sucked, you know. But they just 334 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: throw all that voodoo on, you know whenever, whether it's 335 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: emotional health or mental health or even spiritual you know, 336 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: it's all these different things. It's like no, man, Like 337 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: just like again, I always go back to what most 338 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: people can understand in our community, and that's you know, 339 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: physical fitness. Hey, some guys geek out on cross fit, 340 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, I means some guys were all Olympic lifters. 341 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: Some guys are doing curls for girls. You know what 342 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: I mean, who cares? At the end of the day, 343 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: if you can move your body with all your gear 344 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: the way it needs to move, no one really cares, 345 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, So who cares? You know what I mean? 346 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: If I see a psych or I do some twelve 347 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: step program or I don't know, singing bowls and all 348 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff whatever, I mean, who cares? Man? Look 349 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: at all the weird ship we did with uh, with 350 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: shooting and stuff, all the little idio secrecies and stuff, 351 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: and everyone had their own system. I touched my helmet 352 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: two times before I draw, you know, yeah, you know, 353 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: And I remember as a kid we all watched Gary 354 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: Cooper and Sergeant York and have to look that front 355 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: the psyche posts. So oh yeah, do the turkey callity? 356 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: So um, how did you come about creating with the 357 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, with the other founders Warriors, Heart and definitely 358 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: man And it goes back to a critical thing. Uh. 359 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: It sounds like no you understand it, but it's a 360 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: When I was in the eighty second, UH, after I 361 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: was two years in UH, I had my platoon starting, 362 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, and back in early nineties there was a 363 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: lot of Vietnam vets still in you know. My platoon 364 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: sergeant was I mean, I mean the whole battalion was 365 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: stacked with these guys that were in books, you know. 366 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: And um, but my platoon sergeant, uh, you know, I 367 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: I had gone like to ranger school. I had gone 368 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 1: to p O d C. You know, and so all 369 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I was just this rock star, right and 370 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: uh in my own mind. And uh and I come 371 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: back from p O d C, you know, and uh 372 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: and my platoon sergeant says to me, he said, uh, 373 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: he said, okay, so what what what what's the job 374 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: of an n C O. Like, what's that all about? 375 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: Of course, man, I just got out of PODC. Like, 376 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm like mission and health and welfare the troops. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 377 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: what does that mean? It's like, well, mission self, explain 378 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: a story, who, what, where and why. He's like, what 379 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: what does health and wearfare of the troops mean? And 380 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: I started talking about, well, I got to know if 381 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: they're married. I got up beans and bullets and uh 382 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: He's like, no, jackass, that's not what it means at all. 383 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: And I was like I gave him all the book 384 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: answers you know what I mean. I just didn't, uh, 385 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: And he said, what health and welfare of the troops 386 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: means is that you give them the ability to survive 387 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: and thrive in combat. That's what that means. And I 388 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: was like, wow, Uh, that ain't nothing that I've been 389 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: hearing about, you know, and uh man, and it changed 390 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: my whole life as a leader from that moment on, 391 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: you know, in the inventory on O. D A at 392 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: the unit, is that my job, you know me was 393 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: ensure them to be able to survive and throw in combat, 394 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: which is just all about training and experience, as we know. 395 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: So back to your question. So that was how I 396 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: spent my whole military career. And then whenever I got out, uh, 397 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: because of my own uh personal experiences and some friends 398 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: and that I had, and I got really involved in 399 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: veteran suicide and uh, you know, we started, me and 400 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: a buddy, my magnus started uh Elder Heart, which became 401 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: Mission twenty two. And but my sweet spot was always 402 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: the chemical dependency route, you know, because that's something that 403 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: I've just been hugely passionate about from the moment I 404 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: got involved with it. Even my whole time in the 405 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: military was super active with it, and uh so then 406 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: whenever I got out, I needed a new mission, right, Okay, 407 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: So my mission was my family and then my job, 408 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: and then there was health and welfare the troops. You know. 409 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, I did the war overseas. You know, 410 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: now there's the war at home, which claims way more 411 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: than the war over seas dead and so it's real, 412 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: not pretty, you know, not fancy talk. And so my 413 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: job same as before, health and welfare the troops, you know. 414 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: So I was really involved in doing that. Uh In 415 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: speaking about my own experiences, uh not given them many opinions, 416 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: because what I found is is you can and we 417 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: all know it's like, hey, you can argue with my opinion, 418 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: but you can't argue with my experience because it's what happened, 419 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: you know. And uh so I got really involved in that. 420 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: And then whenever I met my partners Josh and Lisa 421 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: Landing with Warrior's Heart back in two thousand thirteen, uh 422 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: I met him at doing a little fun and gun 423 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: just right down in Hoffman, uh doing I was just 424 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: doing gigs, trying to make money. He was a dude 425 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: that you know, wanted military type training and came there 426 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: and we met in the woods and off right out, 427 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: sorry he doesn't have a military background. How you guys 428 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: you met, that's how we've met and so h so 429 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: that's how josh uh and his wife Lisa there combo 430 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: and obviously in life but also in business, and so 431 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: we that's how we met. And uh he was him 432 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: and his wife Lisa. They had run a private drug 433 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: and alcohol rehabilitation centers from fifteen years. High quality, high 434 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: level of care, but all too civilian population, you know. 435 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: And um, and when I met up with him that 436 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: their next one that they were going to build, which 437 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: was going to be their seventh one, was just going 438 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: to be for veterans because they had a counselor of 439 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: theirs whose son that was a two tour Iraq that 440 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: who ended up you know, taking his own life. So 441 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: it brought it to their awareness like hey, we have 442 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: to do something. So we met in the woods. It 443 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: was kind of like the old thing. I was like, hey, 444 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: you want to go do karate in the garage? Uh? 445 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: You know. So so two thousand, third team we met. Uh, 446 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: we have had time finding the property, working all this 447 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: stuff out. We got the ranch in two thousand fifteen 448 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: acquired it and then on two thousand and sixteen, we 449 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: opened up Warrior's Heart in April of sixteen and uh, 450 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, and since then we've treated almost two thousand 451 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: warriors have come through there. Wow, that's amazing. And what 452 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: made you pick, uh, you know, this area outside San Antonio? 453 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: So a few reasons. Number one was geo location, you know, 454 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: the center of the US, because we knew we'd have 455 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: folks coming from all over. Uh. And then in Texas 456 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: of course just because it's very pro military, pro law enforcement, firefighter, 457 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: you know, there's just a lot of support there. So 458 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: those were the two main reasons that initially got us 459 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: into that ao to look in. And then uh, you know, 460 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: and then we found the ran there at the time, 461 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: it's called Purple Stage Ranch in Bandara, Texas. So that's 462 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: that's kind of what got us there for those different reasons. 463 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: Good and um, what's the program like there? I know 464 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: I've watched a couple of videos. You guys call it 465 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: like basic training. Yes, so it's the thing is is 466 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: though I got to clarify that though, because nobody wants 467 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: to go back to basic training, you know what I mean. 468 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: So the the overall of the program is it's uh, 469 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: it's a forty two day minimum forty two day and 470 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 1: patient healing slash training facility. Uh. Primary diagnosis is chemical 471 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:45,479 Speaker 1: dependencies with secondary is co occurring pts, mile, traumatic brain injury, 472 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: moral grief and injury, and the rest of the alphabet 473 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: suit that comes you know, with our professions. So so 474 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: that's that's what it is there. And uh, a couple 475 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: of main it's like, okay, why is it different in 476 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: any other place, you know, as Uh, there's a few 477 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: different reasons. One of the reasons is is that it 478 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: is the opposite of a hospital setting because folks like 479 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: us and that come from our professions, you know, they 480 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: we don't get well in hospitals, you know, unless we're 481 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: getting surgery, you know, or something. But it's just not 482 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: an environment that that we do well then, you know. 483 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: So it's it's the opposite of that setting. Uh, it's 484 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,239 Speaker 1: it's more of a resort type setting, you know, uh, 485 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: fivety three acre ranch. It was an old conical oil 486 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: executive retreat at one time. And then um, the other 487 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: thing is is the population which creates the peer network immediately. 488 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: So the population at Warrior's Heart is active duty military veterans, 489 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: law enforcement firefighters e m T s basically those who 490 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: face life and death on a daily basis as a profession, 491 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, as who was qualified to come to warriors. 492 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: So that immediately gives us that that peer network that 493 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: everybody talks about, right, how we we know how important 494 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: a peer network is. And although state side e m 495 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: T and a combat veterans physical experiences may have been 496 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: very different, the things that are eating us up inside 497 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: are exactly the same, you know what I mean. It's 498 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: the ship people that we lost, the stuff that happens, 499 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: the stuff that goes wrong, you know, So whether that 500 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: was in Baghdad or Detroit, you know what I mean, 501 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: those are the same kind of things that are that 502 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: are going on inside, And so that the peer network 503 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: is a huge thing. And then another main thing is 504 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: is that you know a lot of these healing centers 505 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: or treatment centers, with our training centers, whatever you wanna 506 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: call them, they they're very siloed off. You know, it's like, hey, 507 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: here's your you've got chemical dependencies issues. You go here, 508 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: but when you're here, don't talk about that war stuff, 509 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: you know, I mean that trauma and stuff like hey, 510 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: we're talking about this, and then if you go to 511 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: someplace for PTS, they're like, hey, you know, we're not 512 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: messing with the you know, medication issues you have going on. So, 513 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: because it always comes up, is like, is it the 514 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: trauma that drives the drinking and drugging or is it 515 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: the drinking and drugging that brings up the unprocessed trauma? 516 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: Who gives a ship like, treat both of them and 517 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: then it it doesn't matter. It mitigates the risk of 518 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: of misdiagnosed of one or the other. So that's what 519 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: we do out there. We treat the chemical dependency side 520 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: and we also treat the unprocessed trauma with licensed professionals. So, yeah, 521 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to jump backwards for a second. I've watched 522 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: the film and you know, it talks about nine eleven 523 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: and first responders, and you know it's not just uh, 524 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: the kind of guys we you know, we grew up 525 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: around you know, warriors and that this sense. But do 526 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: you get a lot of first responder and police involved 527 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: in the program we do? We do were we fluctuate 528 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: between Uh, it's usually heavier on the military, whether it's 529 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: active duty or a veteran side, probably about a sixty 530 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: forty split. Uh, you know it obviously it fluctuates throughout 531 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: the times um and it's probably and the numbers are 532 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: getting bigger, whether our law enforcement is which is great, 533 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: but it's about that sixty forty split between military background. 534 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: But you know a lot of our firefighters and our 535 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: law enforcement are also veterans, you know, because that's a 536 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: general pout, a general route that you know, especially young 537 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 1: veterans take, you know, is that so they're kind of 538 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: both of them. But yeah, we've had a lot of uh, 539 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: you know, back to the nine eleven piece, you know, 540 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: we've had several several guys even from that area that 541 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: worked what they called the pile you know back then. 542 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: You know, that have come out because you know, like 543 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: like I said, we that those professions you know, create 544 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: certain circumstances, you know, and uh, you know, when it 545 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: comes to post traumatic at stress, you know a lot 546 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: of guys are uh you know, embarrassed about that, especially 547 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: if they're struggling or they don't want to admit it's like, 548 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: hey man, we we should have a medal for that, 549 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because that means that you've 550 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: voluntarily chosen a profession that puts you in a situation, 551 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're like, hey, some crazy 552 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: stuff was going on, some horrible stuff was going on, 553 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: whether it was a burning building, a burning car, whether 554 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: it was a gunfight, you know, whatever that was. It's 555 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: like it's like, whoa, It's like you got PTS, Like, hey, 556 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,239 Speaker 1: welcome to the club. Now you've finally done something, you 557 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like, so it's just I mean, 558 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: I'm not about especially all of us at Warrior Shark. 559 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: We're not about fighting stigmas and all this stuff, but 560 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: we are about changing the narrative. You know. It's like, hey, 561 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of the wrong narrative, you know, where 562 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, it's it's not a negative thing, like 563 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: it's not something you'd volunteer for. Like, man, I can't 564 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: wait for the day that I you know, need PTS therapy, 565 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But it's going to happen 566 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: to them, no, man. But we know if you're in 567 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,239 Speaker 1: the profession long enough, like it's guaranteed to you know, 568 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: because I mean those are rough jobs, you know, and 569 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: you know, and that's another thing. That makes a very 570 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: significant difference when you're talking about They label it PTS, 571 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: but let's just call it unprocessed trauma. You know, stuff 572 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: that has gone on in our lives that you know, hey, 573 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: it's just stuck, you know, and we just go on 574 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: through it. You know, there's uh, there's two ways of 575 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: two categories of that, you know, victims and volunteers. Uh 576 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: So victim is just what it means, you know what 577 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: I mean, Hey, someone receives something. They they got abused, 578 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: they got attacked, you know, something happened they unexpected. You know, 579 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: they're a victim. But then you got volunteers like us, right, Like, 580 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: we've volunteered to put ourselves in a position where trauma occurs. 581 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: You know. So the end results is the trend is 582 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: the same. We've got unprocessed trauma, but the approach to 583 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: healing is much different. If you try to treat me 584 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: like a victim, like that's that's not gonna work. But 585 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: if you try to treat me as someone that volunteered 586 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: to put myself in here. But we still need to 587 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: do all this talking to the dock and writing and 588 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: process and stuff. You know, I mean, I can you know, 589 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: I can I can and training like I can. I 590 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: can grab onto that kind of that message, you know, 591 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: I can grab onto that. But you start talking about that, 592 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,479 Speaker 1: hey I'm a victim and it wasn't my fault and 593 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: those kind of things, you know what I mean, it's 594 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 1: like it's not gonna it's just not true, you know. 595 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: So so that's another thing. Uh, And you're gonna have 596 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: to stop me along the way because I just get 597 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: excited about it and I'll just keep run in my mouth. Man. 598 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: So that's why we have you. Yeah, but it's um 599 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: you know. And and with all the different things that 600 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: we do out at Warrior's Heart, you know, I mean 601 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: because we have we're state licensed, right so you know, 602 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: I mean, we have our alcohol and drug we have 603 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: one oh one things that we have to do, right. 604 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: But but but then we got a lot of leeway 605 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: as far as what to do. And another thing that 606 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,479 Speaker 1: makes Warrior's Heart uh different than any other one is 607 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: is that that's my job out there is to provide 608 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: warrior oversight. So my job description out there is is 609 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 1: like I am the population, you know what I mean. 610 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: I understand the chemical dependency aspect, I understand the PTS, 611 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: I understand the t B I piece of it, so 612 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: I I know, you know how much they can handle 613 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: because you know, the psychologists want more psychology, as they 614 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: should write because they're passionate and rock stars in their profession. 615 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: The doc you know, they want more, more, more medical, right, 616 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: and they should. But at the end of the day, 617 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: I always go back to, like what we used to 618 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: do when a talk, you know, I mean, hey, you 619 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: have your intel guy, you have your ops guy, you 620 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: have your s for you have all these different subject 621 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: matter experts. But at the end of the day, there's 622 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: a warrior there that's saying, Okay, I need your information 623 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: and I need what you have the ability to do. 624 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: But this is how we're going to do it, right 625 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 1: and so and that's what we do out there because 626 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: what I've seen in the you know, in the you know, 627 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: in the warrior class of folks, the problem the problem solvers, right, 628 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: houses on fire, police come help me. They figure out 629 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: how to put your freaking house out of here. You know, Hey, 630 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: our country gets attacked, we go and get you know 631 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: what I mean, problem solving, problem solving, And that's that's 632 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: how we're wired. That's what we do. But yet when 633 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: it came to our own problems like combat PTS, tv A, 634 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: what did we do We've said psychs excess, uh chaplain 635 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: fix us. It doesn't even follow a warrior train of logic. 636 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: It would be like going to the intel guy and 637 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: asking him what he thought about an operational decision. I mean, 638 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: now he's going to do the best that he can, 639 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: but he's an Intel guy. Same thing if I went 640 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: to my obs guy and said, hey, man, I want 641 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: you to run this intel report and he's like, okay, 642 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, I mean he's gonna he's gonna rock it 643 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: out and it's gonna suck, you know, compared to the 644 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: Intel guy. So that's where, you know, that's all that 645 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: we're doing is we're just getting back to the way 646 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: the things. I mean, we need our psychs, you know 647 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: what I mean, We need our docs, we need our 648 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: chaplains and everything. But at the same time, these are 649 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: our problems, like we have to we have to own 650 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: what's going on in our own population and then seek 651 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: subject matter experts, you know, just like we did in 652 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: every single talk there ever was or MSS or you know. 653 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: So that's one of my jobs out there are is 654 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 1: to provide that warrior oversight, you know, and I'll pause 655 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: there for a minute, I'll keep talking. It's okay, Yeah, 656 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: it's funny because you know, we're not gonnat taking care 657 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: of ourselves and our own problems. We're just so focused 658 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: on taking care of everyone else's. And you know, the 659 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: therapist treated she was very very you know, in tune 660 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: with our environment, and she goes without, you know, trying 661 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: to put everyone in the same box. She said, a 662 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: lot of you guys would just take what happened to 663 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: you and you put it in a box and put 664 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: it behind you, because I'll fix that later. Right now, 665 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: I need to fix this. And she said, and then 666 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: you keep getting more boxes, putting in front of that 667 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: little box, and then it times out. You know, at 668 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: the very end, you need to get back to that 669 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: first box and empty it out. Yeah, man, because when 670 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: that warehouse or those boxes, when that place gets forward, 671 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: it comes spilling out. Oh that's ugly and that's been there, 672 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: oh absolutely, man. Yeah. And it's but that's to me 673 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: where because how I try to teach guys, because it's 674 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: how I was taught about this kind of training, you know, 675 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: is is that it goes back to what I understand. 676 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: What I understand is is I don't give a shit 677 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: about letting me down, but I'm not going to let 678 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: you down, right, team gun mentality, Like I will sacrifice 679 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: myself for the team. But at the same time, you 680 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: know what I mean, I'm not going to be the 681 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: weak link on the team. Like I'm going to be 682 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: hitting the range. I'm going to be hitting the PT 683 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to be taking care even though we didn't. 684 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: It's kind of a big trick, is What I know 685 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: about me is is because you hear him talk about 686 00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: this concept of self care, right, and I intellectually I 687 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: get that. In my heart, I don't because I'm a 688 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: team guy like i'd I'm more focused on on others. 689 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: But what I learned even on the d A you 690 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: know as is that, man, I have to keep myself 691 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: strong in order to be there when the team needs me. 692 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: I have to stay proficient in my language. I have 693 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: to stay you know, in all these different metal tasks 694 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: that I've got to be able to do, Like hey, man, 695 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: i have to know how to do those things you 696 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: know and um and stay proficient on them. So if 697 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: I look at it the same way, you know, my 698 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: life now outside of the military. You know, as a civilian, 699 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: I can't be any different. Uh. I've tried to be 700 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: different before, you know what I mean, it ends horribly. 701 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: It's like I'm wired, you know what I mean, I'm 702 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: wired how I'm wired. And uh, but I was taught 703 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: how to live the way that I am in this environment, 704 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: you know. And uh, and that is is that the 705 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: way that I learned that off care piece is by 706 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: knowing and accepting that, man, if I don't do what 707 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be doing for me when the team 708 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: needs me, I'm not going to be there for him, 709 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: Like I understand that, you know. And um, but now 710 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: my team is my family, my extended family, you know, 711 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: other warriors. It goes back to that help them wearfare 712 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: of the troops for me, like that's, hey, why do 713 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: I get up in the morning. Why do I still 714 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: go to therapy? Why do I still get tv I treatment? 715 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: Why do I still go to physical therapy? You know 716 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: what I mean? It's because because people need me to 717 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: do it, man, Like uh, you know, I mean like 718 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: people people need me to be around. Like not that 719 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm something great by no means, but you know, there's 720 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,879 Speaker 1: a handful of at minimum a handful of folks that 721 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,959 Speaker 1: kind of depend on me. Yeah. Yeah, So so that's 722 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: where again, man, it was, And that's why I really understand. 723 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: You know, guys, you know a lot of guys have 724 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 1: a lot of struggles, you know of you know, putting 725 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: down the military and and the one piece this is 726 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: just for me, how well, it's for more, but I'll 727 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: say it's for me. It's like I had to accept 728 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: the fact man, that that that was over. I was 729 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: no longer in the military, like for real, you know 730 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean, not in my mind. I 731 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: still think militarily, you know what I mean. I still 732 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: believe what I believe, But like that door is shut. Man. 733 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: It's like talking about whenever, like high school football or 734 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: something all the time, you know what I mean. It's 735 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: like it's a it's a rude shock that first morning 736 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: when you wake up and it's not there anymore. And 737 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,479 Speaker 1: you know, especially guys like us who get medically chaptered out, 738 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: it happens like that. And when you're sitting there, I mean, 739 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: if you know you're gonna retire on a certain day, 740 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: you kind of get it in your mind when you 741 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: get chapped it out you're in the middle terry one day, 742 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,800 Speaker 1: you're out the next, and that's it. And it's a 743 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 1: rude awakening that first morning you wake up and you're like, 744 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: what the hell am I gonna do with the rest 745 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,439 Speaker 1: of my life? Now? No? Man, well I've been out 746 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: with ten years now and those days still roll around. 747 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like, I mean, way not as bad as 748 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: early on, you know, but it's but but then again, 749 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, it makes a lot of sense. I mean, 750 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: you can't be in my mind anyway, you can't be 751 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: that passionate and that all in on something for decades, 752 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and then unwind that, you know, 753 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: a year or two or ten even you know, outside 754 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: of it, you know, it's like, hey, it's gonna it's 755 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna take a little bit of time, like 756 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: that'd be normal, you know what I mean. It's especially 757 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: when you talk about all the crazy stuff that we did. 758 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's not like a normal job or something. 759 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,280 Speaker 1: You know, we weren't normal people now and we still aren't. 760 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: It's not that has not changed. We just again I 761 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 1: go back to I am well trained because uh, because man, 762 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: I'll always I'll always want to blow crap up man 763 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 1: and get bad guys. You know what I'm saying. I mean, 764 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: that's just that's America, you know what I mean, That's 765 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: just I'll always want to do. We were running a 766 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: training program once and uh, General Downing came out with us. 767 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 1: We were teaching him how to blow m railroad ties 768 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,759 Speaker 1: and and the you know, the rails, and so the 769 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: guys were, you know, putting there the little charges on 770 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: these sections of rail and General Downings like, hey, chief, 771 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: give me some of this, he goes. You know, I 772 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: don't care how old you get, you mix explosives with 773 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of young guys. Guys, you just want to 774 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: blow ship up? Oh yeah, man, because it's great. Wait 775 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 1: and why wouldn't you? Yeah, exactly. So what's next now 776 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:58,399 Speaker 1: for Warrior's Heart? Yeah, so so we're in it. We're 777 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 1: going along strong. Know we've had COVID, right, everybody talks 778 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: about COVID, right, so you know last year, you know 779 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: that's something that's going to be part of our lives. Uh. 780 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 1: But again back to health and welfare of the troops 781 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 1: as uh. You know, what we know for sure is 782 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: alcohol and drugs will kill our folks way quicker than 783 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: COVID will not minimizing what COVID is and the effects 784 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: of it, but just triage in it. What's going to 785 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: kill you first, Uh, it will be alcohol and drugs. 786 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: So throughout the whole pandemic, we've we've stayed open, uh, 787 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 1: which is a huge, super proud of that. You know, 788 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: there was times when we've had to when we've had 789 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,839 Speaker 1: to cut our numbers back to create space for isolation feed, 790 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,760 Speaker 1: but we we continue treatment. We shifted to tell the health, 791 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: We've shifted to do all these different things again back 792 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: to the lay of the land, you know what I mean, 793 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: until we get it all cleared out and then we'd 794 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 1: come back and but it's part of our lives. So 795 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: we just got a we to deal with it, and 796 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: we have. So what's next for us? Number one is 797 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: that we won't stop doing what we're doing, you know, 798 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 1: I mean, we're going to continue the mission, uh, no 799 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: matter what is going on. So that's the number one thing. 800 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: Number two is is you know, we're we're always in 801 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: the process of of growing. Uh So even even on 802 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 1: the ranch, you know, we we've got a lot of 803 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: space out there, you know, and uh, and we're and 804 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: we're building like, if what we have now is the 805 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: level one, you know, it will end up having a 806 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: level two because some guys need some more training in 807 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: a little extra training. It's just like any hard military school. 808 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 1: You've got folks that come there that are ready and 809 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: they make it straight through and they just go on 810 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: and do wonderful things. Right, You've got some folks that 811 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: come out, maybe they retest, you know, a thing or two, 812 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 1: you know, and then you've got some folks, well maybe 813 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: they need to recycle, you know what I mean. And 814 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,240 Speaker 1: then you got some folks that, hey, they just didn't 815 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: know what they were getting into yet and don't come 816 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: back at a later date. So that's the same against 817 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: same trying to mindset that happens out there, you know, 818 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: and eventually, you know, the goal would be, you know, 819 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: is to have multiple sites. You know, that's part of 820 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: our big vision and goal because just because the population 821 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,280 Speaker 1: is so I mean, we're talking about at minimum hundreds 822 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: of thousands of guys and gals you know, that are 823 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,919 Speaker 1: that are suffering from this, and um, you know, so 824 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,759 Speaker 1: unfortunately the demand is uh you know, I mean it 825 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: is super high. Uh, but you know what I mean, 826 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: We're just gonna We're just gonna keep doing what we've 827 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:40,919 Speaker 1: always done. So, um, how can people get involved with 828 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,840 Speaker 1: what you're doing? And if they are interested in a 829 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: program there, how can they go about that? Yeah, so 830 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,760 Speaker 1: the best way to go to see all that stuff 831 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 1: is warriors Heart dot com. If so, I just chunk 832 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: it out in the categories like for people, if people 833 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,880 Speaker 1: want to be involved. The greatest thing most of our 834 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 1: guys and gowns that show up as clients at Warrior's Heart, 835 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 1: they come up through the training program. They they had 836 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: never heard about us before. You know that that's almost 837 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 1: I means like until that moment they were looking, they 838 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,360 Speaker 1: had never heard. So if there's one thing that anyone 839 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: can do for us is just help promote uh, you know, 840 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,879 Speaker 1: I mean to help promote warriors or you know, whether 841 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: it's in whatever capacity that is, whether it's in a 842 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,359 Speaker 1: conversation or social media or whatever it is that they 843 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: want to that they feel comfortable with doing, and you 844 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,800 Speaker 1: know that that that's always the number one thing. Another 845 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: good way of doing it is we just had that 846 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:45,400 Speaker 1: documentary out, you know, uh, Warrior's Heart Warriors Healing Warriors. 847 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,880 Speaker 1: It's on Amazon. We had to put a price on it, 848 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: so it's ninety nine cents. They were streaming it on 849 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 1: Prime but they I don't know, you know, they do 850 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 1: different things. But that's another good way. And then whenever 851 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: it comes to folks, loved ones or friends or folks 852 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: that do need to reach out, you know, I mean, like, hey, 853 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 1: they need some more training, you know, I mean they're 854 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: in a tough spot. Uh. On that Warriors Heart dot Com, 855 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a phone number on there and uh. 856 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,719 Speaker 1: And on that phone number, you can call that and 857 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 1: you're going to talk to an admissions advocate and we 858 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: we don't use pretty words for that, but immediately that 859 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: person is going to start advocating for the individual or 860 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: for the loved one or for your buddy, you know. 861 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: And even if it's just questions, you know what I mean, 862 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,440 Speaker 1: Even if even if you just like those folks that 863 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,480 Speaker 1: we have on the team there, uh, they are subject 864 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 1: maatic experts in their field. So even if it's in 865 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,720 Speaker 1: how do I approach my loved one? And even talking 866 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,680 Speaker 1: about this, uh, or hey how do I get in? 867 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, that is trying to get 868 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,320 Speaker 1: back to your question of like that's that's the greatest thing, folks, 869 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: can do with us, is is promote and uh you know, 870 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean there's any questions just to call and talk 871 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 1: with us. There's also we have the Warrior's Heart Foundation 872 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: where if some folks if so inclined to donate, that 873 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,360 Speaker 1: helped provide scholarships. Are hardships for our veterans, you know 874 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: what I mean that aren't getting any benefits that are 875 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 1: on the streets that you know, aren't retirees or stuff 876 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,919 Speaker 1: like that. Uh. The one thing that I can say 877 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,759 Speaker 1: about Warrior's Heart is there's not ever been anyone to 878 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 1: not receive treatment because of money. Uh. It may have 879 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,879 Speaker 1: taken a little bit of a time, but everyone who 880 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: has sought treatment, uh that they've they've always got. That's great. 881 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,399 Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that because I mean, I don't 882 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: think we do enough for our veterans. And I know 883 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: we're kind of biased on that aspect because you know, 884 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,439 Speaker 1: we come from that we come from, but I don't 885 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 1: think we do enough. I mean, I go back to 886 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: my own father who fought in World War Two. I 887 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: think all of those guys, all of those guys, I 888 00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,480 Speaker 1: think all of them did I think all of them? 889 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:04,719 Speaker 1: And yeah, how he in Europe, and you know, he 890 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 1: liberated a concentration. Whenever something like that would come on 891 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 1: like that, he'd walk out of the road, he'd walk 892 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,680 Speaker 1: out of the room. Yeah, you know, And and that 893 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,920 Speaker 1: was something that stuck with me. My whole military career was, 894 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,360 Speaker 1: like you said, seeing all of our heroes, you know, 895 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,240 Speaker 1: the World War Two guys, the career guys of Vietnam bets. 896 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: It was I had these little windows of of seeing 897 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,840 Speaker 1: into their world, like uh, I think it was in 898 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: ninety four and I jumped into St. Mary Guise, France, 899 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,239 Speaker 1: you know, for the fiftieth anniversary, I think it was, 900 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 1: and uh, you know back then a lot of those 901 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,399 Speaker 1: old timers were still jumping and stuff, you know, their 902 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 1: square shoots, and you know we were there in St. 903 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: Mary Guie, you know, and of course it was during 904 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,319 Speaker 1: the parades. It was all you know what I mean, 905 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: that generation, especially just how badass they all were. But 906 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,520 Speaker 1: then what would happen, Man, as the night went on, 907 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: I would see him, you know what I mean, and 908 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: they would be coming apart. And that's not a hit 909 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,319 Speaker 1: on them, but to your point of like, you know, 910 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: a human being, unless you're a sociopath or a psychopath, 911 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,239 Speaker 1: like you're going to have some struggles with with what 912 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: happens in combat, you know, just as a as a human. 913 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 1: And I watched those guys fucking come apart sometimes and 914 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,920 Speaker 1: and I thought zero negativity obviously about that it would. 915 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,920 Speaker 1: But where it stuck with me it was like, hey, 916 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,680 Speaker 1: this is not going away, like like this whole kind 917 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,919 Speaker 1: of trauma, this, this, these things that kind of well 918 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,160 Speaker 1: up like here, these guys are there in their sixties 919 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,200 Speaker 1: or their eighties and and it's still popping up with them, 920 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,719 Speaker 1: you know. So what that told me is how important 921 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,880 Speaker 1: it was for me to start dealing with it, you know, 922 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,839 Speaker 1: for me to get some help if I needed it. 923 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,040 Speaker 1: And then I saw it with the Vietnam guys. I mean, 924 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,759 Speaker 1: I saw it in all these different places where it 925 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 1: was the underlying thing that I had in my mind 926 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 1: was is that, hey, this stuff doesn't go away. Like 927 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 1: you said, we put it in a box and we 928 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,399 Speaker 1: categorize it, we compartmentalize it, and we have to. That's 929 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,359 Speaker 1: why we were really good at our jobs, right, That's 930 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 1: why we can deal with those kind of traumatic situations. 931 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,560 Speaker 1: It is because we can compartmentalize, you mean, But then 932 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 1: there comes a time in life where it's like, Okay, 933 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,520 Speaker 1: let's let's start. Let's start kind of doing as much 934 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 1: as we don't want to. Let's start unpacking those boxes. 935 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,279 Speaker 1: Because I'm here to tell you, man I I would 936 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,799 Speaker 1: like to collie to you and tell you that, Uh man, 937 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,440 Speaker 1: I just enjoy going to therapy and man, I just 938 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: but I don't and I don't know. If it was 939 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,680 Speaker 1: up to me, like I, I would just keep continuing 940 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,319 Speaker 1: the march, you know. What I mean is like that 941 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,280 Speaker 1: was in the past. But again I have all these 942 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 1: I know it's not true, you know, if I want 943 00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,960 Speaker 1: to be there for my team and for my family, 944 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,200 Speaker 1: uh hey, I've got some work to do. But that's 945 00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,719 Speaker 1: exactly how it was in the military though, too, you know. 946 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 1: I mean I didn't get on those teams that I 947 00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,319 Speaker 1: was on because hung out and war cool sunglasses, you know, 948 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,960 Speaker 1: and had big muscles or something. I mean, it was 949 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,279 Speaker 1: because now I worked my ass off, you know what 950 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,759 Speaker 1: I mean. I earned my spot. You know every day, 951 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,759 Speaker 1: like they always say selections, ongoing process. Guess what it 952 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,479 Speaker 1: still is. It only gets harder as it goes along. 953 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 1: I know, I thought it would get easier, but it doesn't. 954 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: Know the kids turn into men and then the mean 955 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,920 Speaker 1: the men require me to be a man and can 956 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,319 Speaker 1: answer appropriately, like I gotta be on my A game 957 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:40,719 Speaker 1: all the time. Now, it's it's horrible. Well, Tom, thank 958 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,359 Speaker 1: you for taking the time with us this afternoon. We 959 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,120 Speaker 1: really appreciate it, folks. Tom Spooner from Warriors Hard check 960 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,080 Speaker 1: out you know warriors heart dot com. We we thank 961 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 1: you for all that you do for our veterans and uh, 962 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,799 Speaker 1: if there's anything we can ever do for you on 963 00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,000 Speaker 1: r M, please let us know. I sure will, Steve, 964 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 1: and thank you so much for having me. Thanks again, folks, 965 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,360 Speaker 1: thanks for listening and watching Today Software Radio on Time 966 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 1: on Target. We'll be back with another podcast real soon. 967 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,400 Speaker 1: You've them listening to self red Lydia