1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: Here we go, busy day, lots and lots to talk about. 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: We got a good one today. We're alive in Chicago 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: thirty felt like I was in Santropei when I woke 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: up this morning. It's the Herd wherever you may be 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: part of your day. So I saw his story, Mike 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: McCarthy to the Steelers Blairs, the headline why he'd be 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: the right fit for Mike Tomlin, right fit in Pittsburgh 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: to replace Mike Tomlin. Okay, we get at Pittsburgh. You 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: have blue collar people, you like your own. You don't 20 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: have to keep reminding us Mike McCarthy isn't just older, 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: he's old school. That was Mike mctomlin, right tone, def 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: to one side of the ball, a lot of penalties. 23 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: Five years McCarthy was in Dallas, they averaged seven penalties 24 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: a game, led the NFL. You know who has the 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: fewest penalties in the NFL this year, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan. 26 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: In fact, the four least penalized teams, four young offensive 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: coaches McVeigh, Shanahan, Zach Taylor, Dave Canalis. That's the NFL. 28 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: And just because you're older doesn't mean you have to 29 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: be old. Kurt Signetti is sixty four, just one of Natty. 30 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: Have you heard about how he recruits and his view 31 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: on athletes. It's very new school. Like McVeigh, his teams 32 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: don't get penalized, fewest penalties, fbs, they don't drop passes 33 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: like mcvay's teams. They don't fumble. Signetti maybe sixty four. 34 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: He is all about quarterback playing details. Richard Branson late seventies, 35 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: still cool, still hip, still with it. Jensen Wang sixty two, 36 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: founder of Nvidia. I mean innovative, sharp, progressive. Mike Tomlin 37 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy are kind of the same guy. Their football 38 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: teams are loose, a lot of penalties. What works in 39 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: the NFL today is young coaches, Demiko Ryans McVeigh, young 40 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: coaches who think young, making trades in season, Howie Rose 41 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: moving off tone, deaf coaches, pivoting off quarterbacks and players, 42 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: finding your next quarterback and putting him on a rookie 43 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: deal for four or five years as you build a roster. 44 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: All four things Steelers haven't done well. Mike Tomlin. Before 45 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers got there, they had a penalty problem. Aaron 46 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: cleaned up the offensive side of that and didn't throw 47 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: as many picks. Suddenly they look detailed. Now that's Aaron Rodgers. 48 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: I got nothing against Mike McCarthy and Pittsburgh, but Pittsburgh 49 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: doesn't do this hiring thing and they get a lot 50 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: of credit for it. Pittsburgh is loyal. The problem is 51 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: they're like the guy who was married for thirty five 52 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: years and now gets divorced and is single and thinks 53 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: app is short for appetizer at Chili's, Like he doesn't 54 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: understand dating apps. They didn't have iPhones social media when 55 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: he got married. And that's Pittsburgh, Tomlin and McCarthy. That's 56 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: the same guy. Good coach, little light, little loose on 57 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: the details. I mean McCarthy's cowboy teams awful with clock management, 58 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: bad with penalties. Go look at mcveigh's team this week 59 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: in Chicago in horrible weather for a warm weather team. 60 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: Zero drop passes, zero penalties, zero turnovers. That's what's happening 61 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: in the NFL right now. It's changed. So and the 62 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: Steelers they don't just date head coaches, they say I 63 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 1: love you and propose after the first date. Like whoever 64 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: they hire, they're here for fifteen years, ten minimum. And 65 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: I got nothing against Mike McCarthy. I wouldn't put him 66 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: in the elite seven, eight nine top coaches, but he's 67 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: in that second tier with Tomlin. Very very good, but 68 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: old school. Again. I'm not anti, I'm not agis. I'm older, 69 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: gray hair, lots of it. See. But you gotta be young, 70 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta think young. That's what's happened to 71 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: gms in this league. You gotta pivot off guys, you 72 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: gotta make in season trades. Cincinnati. I don't know how 73 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: old the owner is. They think old. Philadelphia. I don't 74 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: know how old the owner is, they think young. So 75 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: I just look at McCarthy, Tomlin, Okay, I know you 76 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: like Pittsburgh guys, one of us. I get it. That's 77 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: not working and winning in this league right now. You 78 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: can be a defensive coach, Demiko Ryans, Mike McDonald young, 79 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: sharp with it, moving off people that don't work, making moves, trades, 80 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: at least understand offense, have a feel for it, not 81 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: tone deaf to it. So I know it. Just Pittsburgh's like, listen, 82 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: the way we're doing things works, let's go get the 83 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: next version, kind of an offensive version of Tomlin. That's 84 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: not it. Here's Art Rooney on the Steelers coaching serve. 85 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 3: Nowadays, there are a number of protocols we have to 86 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 3: follow that are sort of really designed to slow the 87 00:05:58,880 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: process down. 88 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: And so as I say, it'll probably take at least 89 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: a few weeks. 90 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 3: Can I sign up for another Chuck nol or another 91 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 3: Bill Kauer or another Mike Tomlin. Sure that you know 92 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: somebody that we feel fits that mold would be great, 93 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 3: But you know, for now, we're not going to kind 94 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 3: of narrow the box too much. 95 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: So when Jim Harbaugh got hired by the Chargers, Jim 96 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: Harbaugh's in his sixty but he came off and always 97 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: has is very boyish, very young John Harbaugh similarly gets 98 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 1: hired by the New York Giants. I mean, he feels 99 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: like he's thirty seven years old. He is so excited. 100 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: Everything out of his mouth. He's so excited. And I've 101 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: said the New York Jet. When you list the teams 102 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: that won four games last year, tell me which one 103 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: doesn't feel the same. Jets, Arizona, Tennessee, Vegas, New York Giants. 104 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: The Giants had seven one score losses. In fact, they 105 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: led three really solid teams Denver, Chicago, and Detroit by 106 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: double digits in the fourth quarter. They got leads, they 107 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: couldn't keep them. The Giants had a better point differential 108 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: than the Carolina Panthers, who won a division. The New 109 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: York Giants are a right tackle, probably another receiver, and 110 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: a couple of dudes in the secondary from being an 111 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: eleven win team. They have needs. The whole league does. 112 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: Outside of Seattle. Everybody's got needs. But there are good 113 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: losses in football. When the Bears lost to the Rams, 114 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: that's a good loss. You may have lost to the 115 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: best team and the best coach in football. And I 116 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: mean you go into the offseason thinking we can play 117 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: with anybody. We were one play to play with anybody. 118 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: The Texans losing to the Patriots is a bad loss. 119 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: They don't even know if they like their quarterback anymore. 120 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: So you can be a four or five win team. 121 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: Look at it and go. We got to get a 122 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: right tackle, another receiver, probably a tight end, and some 123 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: secondary help. But I mean watching Jim Harbaugh get hired 124 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: by the Chargers. He's boyish, and my theme today is 125 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: you can be old. You gotta think young. You can 126 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: be in your sixties or seventies in the coach. You can't. 127 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm okay with it, but you gotta. You gotta be 128 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: somebody that wakes up optimistic, not cynical, that understands offense, 129 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: can appreciate defense. Here's John Harball sounding young and like 130 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: the right choice on Jackson Dartis quarterback. 131 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 4: You build your team around your quarterback. I mean that's 132 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 4: you build your team around your players and what they 133 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 4: do well. And i'd like. I like the way he plays, 134 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 4: malic his talent, skill set, all things he accomplished. But 135 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 4: more than that, I like I like who he is 136 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 4: and what he's about to me is about football. I 137 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 4: mean this, this young guy loves football. He wants to 138 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 4: talk football all the time, and you know, and uh, 139 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 4: and that's kind of what I like doing too. So 140 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 4: I think we're gonna have a lot of great conversations. 141 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 4: I can't wait to get started with him. 142 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: So the other thing that's important and instructive here, when 143 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: you hire John Harball in the NFC East, you meetly 144 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: first day on the job. Today have the best coach 145 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: in the division, and yet they were only a four 146 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: win team. If Las Vegas hires a coach with Andy Reid, 147 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh and Sean Payton, you probably still have the 148 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: fourth best coach in the division. If Arizona hires a 149 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: coach today with McVeigh, Mike McDonald and Shanahan, you probably 150 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 1: have the fourth best coach in the division. Even if 151 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: you get a guy that works, John Harbaugh today doesn't 152 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: just feel right this morning, best coach in the division. 153 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: And we don't know Jackson Dart you can at least 154 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: argue if he stays out of the blue tent, because 155 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: Jade and Daniel's injuries now are a concern. Do you 156 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: have the best quarterback in the division. We'll know by Thanksgiving. 157 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: Next Thanksgiving, we'll have a feel for it. So it 158 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: would I've said this about the Giants. Four win teams 159 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: are not all of the same, playoff losses are not all 160 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: the same. I mean, Denver feels terrible, but they just 161 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: watched bo Nicks out play Josh Allen. If you're the 162 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos win or lose this week, you go into 163 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: the offseason thinking we're there, We're ready to hoist a trophy. 164 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: And the Giants at four wins that do not confuse 165 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: them with Tennessee or an Arizona or a Las Vegas 166 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: or the Jets. Not the say John Harbaugh could have 167 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: taken a lot of gigs. Why did he step up 168 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: really quickly, see this one and take it. Okay, We've 169 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff to then. And generally speaking, 170 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: I think whatever the country thinks, whatever you think as fans, 171 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: I'm usually aligned with you. I've said, there's a couple 172 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: of things that you love that I don't care about. 173 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: The home run derby. It's like batting practice. You love it. 174 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: I don't get the Pro Bowl. Every year I see 175 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: the TV rating for the Pro Bowl. I've never watched one. 176 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: It's a practice football. I'd rather watch an exhibition game 177 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: from a team that I'll monitor mostly though, what you like. 178 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: I like. You like March Madness, you like the Masters, 179 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: you like the NFL, you like what I like. But 180 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: here's where you and I totally, absolutely, inarguably disagree. There 181 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: is one thing that I think and you will totally disagree, 182 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: and it just so happens I'm right. 183 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: And that's next. In Chicago, It's the Herd. 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Search Covino and Rich 195 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 5: FSR on YouTube again, go to YouTube search kobno En 196 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 5: Rich FSR. Check us out on YouTube, subscribe, hit that 197 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 5: thumbs up icon, and come and away. 198 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: I said before the break Diana Russini, top of Next Hour, 199 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: Phil Sims do Today, I said, as I sent the 200 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: show to break is that you and I mostly agree 201 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: on everything. I mean we do. I mean day to day. 202 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: We may disagree on a football pick. You like the 203 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: home run Derby more than I do in the Pro Bowl, 204 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: but buy in large what you like I like, and 205 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: the way you think is mostly how I think. I 206 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: would say. More than anything, people come up to me 207 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: and go, hey, I think your show is pretty common sense. 208 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, that's what they say. But here's 209 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: something where I just totally disagree. There's too much fear 210 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: mongering out there. I saw this quote major League Baseball 211 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: owners are enraged by Kyle Tucker to the Dodgers deal. 212 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: They will push for a salary cap no matter what. 213 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: It took a Kyle Tucker move to outrage you. Cub 214 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: Fans complained about them all year, they wanted them out 215 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: of town. Did you forget about the Angels spending three 216 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty million dollars fifteen years ago or close 217 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 1: to it on Albert Poolholtz and Josh Hamilton, which if 218 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: you look at what that's worth today with inflation, it's 219 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: five hundred and forty million. That didn't bother anybody, welly 220 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: cause the Angels are poorly run. It didn't change outcomes. 221 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: The Yankees in twenty ten the four highest paid players 222 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: check check check check four Yankees four for four. But 223 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: they're not considered well run. And even though they spent 224 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: a ton every year and a half for thirty years 225 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: in the last ten to fifteen, it doesn't change outcomes. 226 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: That doesn't bother you. The Dodgers aren't just rich. That's 227 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: not it. Let's keep it one hundred. They're rich and 228 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: exceptionally well run and winning the World Series. That's what 229 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: bothers you. Juan Soto Yankees Mets didn't bother you because 230 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: he went to the Mets. They'll gag they're the Mets. 231 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: Studies have shown you can be rich and unattractive, or 232 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: handsome and poor, and men aren't necessarily jealous of you. 233 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: But if you're rich and good looking, study show men 234 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: hate you. And that's the Dodgers. They are rich, good looking, 235 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: driving a convertible, own a tech company, and keep being 236 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: the richest guy in the sport, and it pisses You'll off. 237 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: It's not just about the money. Kyle Tucker outrages you. 238 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: Mookie Vetts was arguably the best player in the American League. 239 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: Not a peep. Josh Hamilton, Albert Pulhols, Angels, not a peep. 240 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: Twenty ten Yankees had all the highest paid players. I 241 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: don't know nobody in New York was outraged. Steve Cohens 242 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: trying to put together an all star team Crickets. Kyle 243 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: Tucker in playoff career is a two thirty hitter. Chicago 244 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: complained about them all year. That's the guy that sets 245 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: you off. No, what sets you off is that Game 246 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: seven winning back to back World Series titles. Last year. 247 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: I had Dave Roberts on the show, the Dodger manager, 248 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: and I asked him about it. The Dodgers, like everybody said, 249 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: are ruining baseball. 250 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 6: Baseball viewership is at an all time high. Baseball players 251 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 6: are better than they've ever been. 252 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: We are going to have more. 253 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 6: Eyeballs watching this World Series than ever because of the 254 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 6: country of Canada, US and Japan and beyond right, So 255 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 6: obviously the Dodgers are not ruining baseball. It's in a 256 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 6: great state. And I was just kind of taking a 257 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 6: dig at these crazy people that say that what we do, 258 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 6: and I think we do it really well, we're ruining baseball. 259 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't remember a Game seven in Major League Baseball 260 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: in a division series, whatever series you know, NLCS, ALCS 261 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: World Series of Game seven. I don't remember a game 262 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: seven that rivetingden last year, glued every pitch Kyle Tucker 263 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: outrages you. That's the one. This morning I wrote down, 264 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: in order, who I think are the top ten Dodger players. 265 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: I could be off on this, but I wrote a 266 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: list of the top ten Dodger players. I had Kyle 267 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: Tucker at eight, Shohey Mooki, Yoshi Freeman, Edwin Diaz, the 268 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: best reliever in baseball, Blake Snell, went healthy, Will Smith, 269 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: great catcher, Kyle Tucker, Roki and Tiascar Hernandez. By the way, 270 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: ta Oscar Hernandez. I had recently at dinner with Tom Ricketts, 271 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: the Cubs owner. What a great guy, and I asked 272 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: him about the Dodgers privately, but now I'll say it publicly. 273 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: He had nothing but respect and admiration. He goes to 274 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: the best run team in baseball, he goes, they happened 275 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: to be the richest team in baseball right now. He 276 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: goes to the best run team in baseball, he goes, 277 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: I have total admiration for what they do Andrew Friedman down. 278 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: They just know what they're doing. We should not be 279 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: eating and biting away at them. They got a better 280 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: TV deal, better in R and D. And he was 281 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: very proud of the Cubs. I've had a great offseason, 282 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: Fregman at third, got another top starting pitcher, Kyle Tucker left. 283 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: Cubs will be better. But what you should be mad 284 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: about if you're a fan, isn't the Dodgers. It's Taoscar Hernandez, 285 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: the tenth best Dodger. Maybe it's Mac Muncie, but I 286 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: think Taoscar hernanz is a beast. He's been available twice 287 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: to the sport and your billionaire owner didn't get him. 288 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: And he's a great player for the Dodgers at a 289 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: very reasonable number. Saint Louis could afford him. The Pirates 290 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: billionaire could afford him, The Mariners could afford him, Detroit 291 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: could afford him, Cleveland could afford him. I'm not sure 292 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: if the A's could afford me. The point being a 293 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: great player, he's been available to The Dodgers have signed 294 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: him twice. Max Munsey was an A they let him go. 295 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: Oh Tawny was an angel. He didn't win enough games 296 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: it's this idea that Kyle Tucker created the outrage. Let's 297 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: be totally honest about that. If the Dodgers weren't winning, 298 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: you'd be laughing at them. They're winning, and you're ticked off. 299 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: People do not like. Studies have also illustrated this. People 300 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: do not like when they feel other people are separating 301 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: from them. Guys don't like that you can make more 302 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: than me by a little and it does feel like 303 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: the Dodgers have separated. It should be noted seventh game 304 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: beat the Blue Jays. Blue Jays for most of the 305 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: series felt like the better team. The Blue Jays more 306 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: consistently hit than the Dodgers did. They got some breaks, 307 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: they got good managing, they got guys that step up. 308 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: This idea that I'm supposed to Kyle Tucker, that's what 309 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: really set a sport off. It's like, I hear this 310 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: about college football constantly. Oh, it's in chaos. I just 311 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: watched the best national championship game I can remember. It 312 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: was in chaos when Baman and Georgia and Clemson. Every 313 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: year we're in the National Championship for about fifteen years. 314 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: That was trouble at tenance down, ratings down, baseball is 315 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: in an incredible spot. Well what about the Pirates? What 316 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: about him? They couldn't compete when steinbrennerran the Yankees. They 317 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: haven't been good since the seventies and Willie Stargell. I mean, 318 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: weren't they great in the late seventies when I was 319 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: a kid growing up in the mid seventies. I can 320 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: name the whole infield. You want me to go, Manny 321 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: saying Gin you know you, Al Oliver, Rennie Stennett, Taveris 322 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 1: at short they were great. They haven't been great consistently forever. 323 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: It's not a Dodgers issue. Well, what about the Cardinals? 324 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: Canne for Saint Louis has been dying as a city 325 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: for twenty years. They've lost fifteen fortune five hundred companies 326 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: in forty years. They lost an NFL team. Saint Louis 327 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: is dried up as a city. It's Hartford with an orange. Fucks. 328 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: Don't blame the Dodgers for that, of the Yankees for that, 329 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,239 Speaker 1: or Steve Cohen for that. I feel strongly about this. 330 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: You and I totally disagree on this stuff. If the 331 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: Dodgers would have lost to the Blue Jays, you'd be like, yeah, 332 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: keep buying those players. You laughed at the Mets, didn't 333 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: you laugh at the Mets this year? It's funny they 334 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: spent all that money. They stunk. They got the richest owner, 335 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: not the Dodgers. 336 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: One more heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, 337 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd 338 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: to listen live or on demand whenever you like. 339 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: Diana Russini with that is now joining us live Man. 340 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot going on the Athletic Senior NFL Insider, 341 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: So there's a bunch of different stories out there. Won 342 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: by Vic Carucci, who's been in Buffalo forever, about Sean 343 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: McDermott telling the owner and the GM Hey, I don't 344 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: love the personnel. I mean, was the firing of Sean 345 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: McDermott completely unexpected or had you heard for five or 346 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: six or seven weeks? It was tense? What do we 347 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: know today? 348 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 7: Yeah? I don't think ownership was as irritable or frustrated 349 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 7: with it until the end of the season, or at 350 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 7: least towards the end of the season. That is when 351 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 7: words to get out, probably like week seventeen, it was 352 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 7: starting to get around. Keep an eye on Buffalo. If 353 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 7: they're one and done, look for McDermott to be out. 354 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 7: And so then obviously when they won, it died down 355 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 7: a bit, and then Saturday night is when the conversation 356 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 7: started again. And at the Athletic we actually already wrote 357 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 7: a piece that Sean McDermott was getting fired because at 358 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 7: that point I'd found out that that ownership was really 359 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 7: they were done with it. They were sick of the 360 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 7: eight years with Josh Allen and just not getting over 361 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 7: the hump. And I really truly don't think it was 362 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 7: lack of respect or belief in Sean McDermott. It's just 363 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 7: when you look at it historically, if a coach has 364 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 7: not won within the first ten years of him being 365 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 7: a head coach, it's tough and some of you don't 366 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 7: just think a change something new. On top of the fact, 367 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 7: you're watching a lot of these organizations with this new 368 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 7: breadth of fresh air. These new guys come in. Obviously 369 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 7: was seing in Chicago. We saw on Jacksonville CEE in Boston. 370 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 7: You see these guys come in and change the entire team, 371 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 7: and I think that's what's tempting. 372 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: Well, Josh Allen, have any say in the next coach, Dana, 373 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: he absolutely will. 374 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 7: They're gonna have, wouldn't you, Right, Like Josh Allen is 375 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 7: the team and I do think his influence here is 376 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 7: going to be important, and I think his overall comfort 377 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 7: with who this head coach is going to be is 378 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 7: going to be a big factor in this, which is 379 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 7: why I do think they're gonna wind up leaning towards 380 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 7: more offensive minded type coaches because, look, they made a 381 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 7: move because they know the window is going to just get, 382 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 7: you know, tighter and tighter here, uh And that's why 383 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 7: they moved on from Sean. So patience is already uh 384 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 7: not something that they have, and they're gonna they're gonna 385 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 7: want a coach to come in here. I think they're 386 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 7: gonna lean more towards someone who's done it and get 387 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 7: this thing going because they're gonna want to be in 388 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 7: the super Bowl next year. 389 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: Okay, what do you make of the reports or suggestions? 390 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: What are you hearing about Bill Belichick in Buffalo? 391 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 7: Nothing. Bill doesn't have a market in the NFL, you know, 392 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 7: so I think, look, he has been his people, including 393 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 7: Coach Belichick, have been very open with people media, with 394 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 7: people in football. They want to stay in North Carolina, 395 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 7: so I think he obviously has information. You're not doing 396 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 7: that unless you know, you don't have a shot. And 397 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 7: I have yet to have a conversation in this coaching cycle, 398 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 7: even last one of anyone who seriously was considering bringing 399 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 7: Bill in. I didn't mean to come off mean by 400 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 7: the way. That was just more of like the facts. 401 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 1: You know. Well, sometimes Bill was me, I mean, it's 402 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: not the end of the world. 403 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 8: Oh Bill's Bill's real mean Bill. I've had some tough 404 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 8: press conferences. Let me tell you. I remember sitting there. 405 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 8: I was young, My shirt was soaked. I was so afraid. 406 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 7: I asked him if he ever considered treating Jimmy No, 407 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 7: if you regretted trading Jimmy Garoppolo after that practice, remember 408 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 7: when Tom ham his finger helmet like cut his finger, 409 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 7: And that was the question I asked in that post 410 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 7: to practice, and it was it was. It was memorable, 411 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 7: it was awful. 412 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: I love John Harble. The hardballs are so they get 413 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: they love football so much they can't even hide it. 414 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: They're like kids, They're like kids. I got to tell 415 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: you something. I've been critical to the Giants for a 416 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: long time. I think they're good. Now, I think they 417 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: need to right tackle a tight end some secondary help. 418 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: Are you surprised? What was the word around the league 419 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: in your sources when Harball immediately jumped on this opportunity. 420 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: Did people think it was this good of a job 421 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: because John's like, not no hesitation, he wanted that job. 422 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 7: Yeah, and a lot of candidates felt the same way 423 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 7: about this Giants roster. This was one of the golden 424 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 7: ones just based on some of these players and obviously 425 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 7: the history the ownership. Look, you, they haven't won in 426 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 7: a while. We know it hasn't been great with Joe 427 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 7: Shane at the Helm, but ownership is always been really 428 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 7: fair to their head coaches. And while they're involved, they're 429 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 7: not hands on telling you what to do. They're just 430 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 7: going to listen and trust you, and that's valuable. It 431 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 7: was all about ownership and quarterback this cycle, and it 432 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 7: continues to be as we have these openings. So John 433 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 7: I think brings accountability. He's going to bring vision, focus 434 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 7: and really an adult in the building. That is what 435 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 7: someone there said to me, Like, that is what they're 436 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 7: going to get in New York. Yes, we joke that 437 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 7: he's a little bit of a football labberdoodle. But he 438 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 7: also knows what he's doing. And I think the New 439 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 7: York Giants are very excited to hand him the keys. 440 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be excited. I think they're close. Okay, 441 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: the Steelers we joked earlier like they feel like, you know, 442 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: guys married for thirty five years, then all of a 443 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: sudden he's single, and he doesn't know. He thinks apps 444 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: are like appetizers at Chile's. He doesn't know what dating 445 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: apps are. They don't look for coaches, they don't know 446 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: what they're doing. They don't do this ever, And all 447 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the Giants to know how to do it. 448 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: Atlanta knows how to do it. Like some of these organizations. 449 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: They're pretty good at the let's go, let's get a 450 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: coaching search. Pittsburgh doesn't do it. I'm hearing Mike McCarthy 451 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, well, he's a Pittsburgh guy. It's an 452 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: easy one. What are the Steelers at. 453 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 7: I made a joke during the Giants hardball situation. Someone 454 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 7: had texted me that the Giants were behind on the contract, 455 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 7: like they weren't getting it done. I'm like, don't they 456 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 7: just have a template ready to go? They do this 457 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 7: all the time, Like how hard could it beat them 458 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 7: to a contract? 459 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: In New York? 460 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 7: You're always doing it. Where Pittsburgh, you know, they're like 461 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 7: looking an old files, like how do you do this again? 462 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 7: And look, here's what I know from that ownership especially, 463 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 7: they're going to go with what they know right and 464 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 7: what they're comfortable doing. And look what they did with 465 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 7: Mike Tomlin. They took a young, you know, black defensive 466 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 7: coach with tons of energy and they took a shot 467 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 7: on him and it worked pretty darn well. So yes, 468 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 7: I can see them gravitating towards a guy who's done 469 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 7: it before because it's comfortable. This isn't a fantastic roster. 470 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 7: They don't have a quarterback. This is one of the 471 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 7: jobs that I don't believe a lot of these coaches 472 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 7: that are hungry to get in are are fighting just 473 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 7: because they're not. First of all, you got a filling 474 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 7: for Mike Tomin. That's tough, but you're not coming in 475 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 7: here and winning. And I don't necessarily believe that that's 476 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 7: the way the franchise is seeing it. I don't think 477 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 7: they think that this they're in rebuild, so you got 478 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 7: to be able to have someone to come in here 479 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 7: and be able to communicate like, look, we have a 480 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 7: lot of work to do. Anthony Weaver is the name 481 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 7: I want you to watch. I think he is somebody 482 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 7: that both the Baltimore Ravens and remember Anthony Weaver. He's 483 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 7: the defensive coordinator for the Miami Dolphin. He is a 484 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 7: former Raven himself. He's a former coach for the Ravens. 485 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 7: John Harbaugh overpassed him to be the DC. He left 486 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 7: Baltimore went to Miami. That's where he is now. So 487 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 7: he is up for the job in Baltimore, and he's 488 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 7: up for the job in Pittsburgh, and I think he's 489 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 7: got a really good shot of getting one of these. 490 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 7: Buffalo also recently put in for him, so he's going 491 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 7: to be meeting with him as well. And doesn't it 492 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 7: just make a lot of sense if you're going to 493 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 7: go with, hey, this is what we've done before, young hungry, 494 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 7: culture builder, player guy. But of course you know he's 495 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 7: going to have to try to beat up Brian Flores 496 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 7: and Mike McCarthy and also these coaches that are playing 497 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 7: this weekend. That's a whole nother layer to this. 498 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm kind of fascinated with the Raiders job because Fernando 499 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: Mendoza is a franchise quarterback. How great? I don't nobody's 500 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: darn good. Brock Towers, Ashton Genty. They got to get 501 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: their old line fixed. Old Colton Miller I think is 502 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: still around a off injury. They got to get the 503 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: old line fixed for Mendoza. But their defense is okay. 504 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: Brady's on the sideline of the National Championship game like 505 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: everybody's watching. I don't know if it's a good job. 506 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: I know this that when you get a really talented 507 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: quarterback and a rookie deal for four or five years, 508 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: you can stack the roster, and that usually Denver with 509 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: bow Nicks, Drake May, New England justin Herbert Initially, it's 510 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: usually a pretty good thing if you get the right coach. 511 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: Do we know anything on Vegas? 512 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, First of all, you got to make sure you 513 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 7: hit and we got to hope that if the Raiders 514 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 7: do decide to go in that direction, that he turns 515 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 7: out to be the players that you just listed. You 516 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 7: never know, right, So you've got that gamble. But look, 517 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 7: the Raiders are not one of these jobs that that 518 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 7: I'd put him in. The same category. I'd put the 519 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 7: Steelers above them actually in terms of guys that want 520 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 7: that job. And I think it has to just do 521 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 7: with the fact that it's been a place to die 522 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 7: over the last few years. You know, it's been hard 523 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 7: to have success. You've got Max Crosby who's disgruntled. What's 524 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 7: his future going to be in Vegas? Right? He's the 525 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 7: face of that place. If you don't have him, who 526 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 7: do you have in that locker room policing and setting 527 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 7: the tone of what you want and the expectations. So look, 528 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 7: I think that they're leaning more towards offensive sided, offensive 529 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 7: minded type coaches. Right. So Davis Webb is a name 530 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 7: I keep hearing. Obviously, he's the Denver Broncos quarterback coach. 531 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 7: Are you going to bring in a first time head 532 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 7: coach with a brand new quarterback? You know, that's a 533 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 7: that's a big challenge. But Tom Brady's running the show there. 534 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 7: He is the one having in all the say on 535 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 7: what they're going to do next year, which which I 536 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 7: think could could be a good thing. You know, the 537 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 7: jury's out on whether or. 538 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: Not he can pick right, all right, agent, there's so many. 539 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 7: Openings, right, we could go we could have a whole 540 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 7: show on just this because there's so much. 541 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, let me throw this out there. And 542 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: I thought the Ravens were the best job until Buffalo 543 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: opened up. And I still think the raven Steve Bshotti 544 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: is great, Roster is very very good, O line stable 545 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, who I mean, jesse Mentor feels like the play, 546 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm not hearing about it. What's the 547 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: Baltimore situation? 548 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 7: Well, jesse Mentor's with them right now actually, so we'll 549 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 7: see how that pans out. I love to know what 550 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 7: his plan is at OC. That's all that matters, is 551 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 7: all that matters in Baltimore right now. Who is going 552 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 7: to coach Lamar Jackson? They Steve Ashott was very transparent. 553 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 7: They're all in, right, They're all in because they fired 554 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 7: John Harbaugh and they want to make this work. They 555 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 7: want to get to the super Bowl, and this is 556 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 7: another organization that's looking at it as a window. Right, 557 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 7: we got to get the most out of them. So 558 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 7: while I understand that you're bringing the leader of men 559 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 7: and that's important that you have the CEO, the plan 560 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 7: for OC has to be there, right, So Cliff Kingsbury 561 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 7: is a name that's out there. I can tell you 562 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 7: I know for a fact that Lamar Jackson and those 563 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 7: receivers would like Cliff Kingsbury to run their offense. They 564 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 7: have shown support, They've been vocal about it. They've been 565 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 7: part of some of these interviews too. Lamar Jackson's part 566 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 7: of these. He's zooming in. He's in touch with the 567 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 7: decision makers of what he likes, who he's liked, and so, 568 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 7: you know, we'll see how this shakes out. But I 569 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 7: think the you know, Anthony Weavers one of those again 570 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 7: that I mentioned a few minutes ago, that is going 571 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 7: to be in the running for this job, and from 572 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 7: what I understand, Cliff Kingsbury would be his OC. And 573 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 7: I think that would be a pretty tremendous fit when 574 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 7: you think about what Cliff Kingsbury did with Kyler Murray. 575 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 7: Now now insert Lamar Jackson, one of the best quarterbacks 576 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 7: in football. 577 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: All right, finally, aj Brown drama. I've said I would 578 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: have moved them at the deadline. I think he's great. 579 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: I think Buffalo should be interested. I think there's all 580 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: sorts of suitors for him. I think he's I think 581 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: he's impossible unless you have big, long, young corners. He's 582 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: hard to defend. And I think a lot of these. 583 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: I mean Stefan Digs a great example. By year three 584 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: he can wear people out. But Stefan Diggs everywhere he 585 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: goes for the first couple of years productive, everybody likes him. 586 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: He's great in the room. AJ Brown for a couple 587 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: of years and Buffalo is interesting to me. I think 588 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: he'd have a market. Do you think Philadelphia will move him? 589 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 7: I just saw Digs on Sunday night after the Patriots game. 590 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 7: I mean it's like he's twenty two years old now, 591 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 7: like he is retressed, he is rejuvening. He's the leader 592 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 7: of that team. Is he's basically Rabel's little soldier. Like 593 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 7: what Rabel tells him to do. He tells the locker room. 594 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 7: It works. It's a good match, right, because there's a 595 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 7: lot of ego there, as you know, and you got 596 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 7: to feed that and you got to manage it. And 597 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 7: good coaches know how to manage it. And they're all 598 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 7: in on the quarterback there in New England. So now 599 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 7: let's transfer this over to AJ Brown. And it's pretty 600 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 7: obvious he is not happy. He was not happy from 601 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 7: really this going back to last year, right, but it's different. 602 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 7: They won the Super Bowl that kind of masks sold 603 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 7: the problems. So here we are this year, and I 604 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 7: think it's going to be up to him. I think 605 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 7: the bottom line, Philadelphia is not stupid. They're not going 606 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 7: to waste their time. They can't go through what they 607 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 7: just did again. This team has to revamp how they 608 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 7: approach this season, and they're not moving on from Jalen Hurts. Right, 609 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 7: So you're picking AJ Brown or you're picking Jalen Hurts. 610 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 7: Who you're picking. You're picking the quarterback. That's just how 611 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 7: it works. Plus the owner loves them so and he 612 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 7: also has the Super Bowl MVP. So I think for 613 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 7: AJ Brown, I could easily see Buffalo showing interest. I 614 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 7: could see Kansas City showing interests. Imagine him with Patrick Mahomes. 615 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 7: So we'll see if they wind up working out a 616 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 7: deal to get them out of Philadelphia. But I'd be 617 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 7: surprised to see him as an Eagle next year. 618 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: All Right, you're crushing. You're just all the time. I 619 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: see you with stories and crushing and intel and all 620 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: that stuff. 621 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 7: No, I like it, but I feel like sometimes when 622 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 7: I'm dumping the information. It sounds so robotic and I 623 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 7: don't mean to, but it's just like you're just like 624 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 7: taking all these conversations and all the writing and recording. 625 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 7: You're just like, I gotta get my best stuff. So yeah, no, 626 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 7: it's it's fun. This is awesome. This has been the 627 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 7: wildest coaching cycle I have ever covered. People every want 628 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 7: to talk Everyone wants to talk to about it right 629 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 7: now because there's so many moving parts. 630 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 3: Right. 631 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 7: You got Brian Dable up in Buffalo, Tennessee wants him 632 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 7: to be the OC. Philly wants him to be the OC. 633 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 7: If he takes one of these jobs and he doesn't 634 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 7: go to Philly, who's the OC for the Eagles? That 635 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 7: should be a good job, right It doesn't appear to be. 636 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 7: So there's there's like all these like little tentacles to 637 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 7: all of this that I just find really interesting. 638 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: Great seeing you as always great, Tony. 639 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 7: Thanks for having me.