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Speaker 2: it up after this. Uh, And tonight, guys, Game five

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Speaker 2: Butler last time his team in the finals were facing

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Speaker 2: Nuggets team is better than the twenty twenty Bubble Lakers,

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Speaker 2: both good teams, but the way they're playing right now,

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Speaker 3: Well, they got the two best players in the series

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jimmy had to take a plane unlike what he

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Jimmy Butler, I know you guys probably had

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Speaker 2: All Star Game and all that. But like Hollinger wrote

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Speaker 2: overpriced coffee. End quote. It's a great article. Go to

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Speaker 2: But it's fascinating when you go through Jimmy's like basketball

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Speaker 2: reference page, and he's made all NBA teams and you know,

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Speaker 2: But do you consider him like a top one hundred player?

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Speaker 3: Well, I gotta say I was a little disappointed that

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Speaker 3: had a nice run with the Bulls. That's where he started,

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Speaker 3: That's where I became a fan of him. But they

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Speaker 3: kind of interesting to me. Jimmy's a guy that, like

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Speaker 3: you had to be there to know what it was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's only once played more than seventy games in

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Speaker 2: even to smelling that. What are your thoughts on on Jimmy?

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Speaker 5: I like how John's doing this right now because he

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Speaker 5: we're not celebrating him right now because he isn't that

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Speaker 2: Said he's the third best player in the finals right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's totally fair, And if you look back over

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Speaker 5: But it's totally true about leading categories. You mentioned MVP voting,

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Speaker 5: So I like how Trey said, you kind of have

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Speaker 5: have the counting stats because he doesn't give it as all.

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Speaker 5: Every single regular season started a little late in his

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Speaker 1: Is he not? Right?

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Speaker 5: I mean it's just everybody gets in. Yeah, well okay,

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Speaker 5: I mean that's fair. But but I think when you're

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Speaker 5: he's not included in that. Yeah, as far as he's

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Speaker 1: Right, he's only at fourteen thousand points. I mean that's

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Speaker 2: Why it's fascinating. Yeah, but I mean a lot of

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Speaker 2: though you know he ultimately Jimmy comes up short and

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't even think of him getting a title.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm with you that he's if he wins

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean that's the thing. I'm like, Mitch

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Speaker 3: Jimmy's like that completely flipped on the other side, one

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Speaker 3: I think Collinger called him the most underrated player of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot about that.

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Speaker 5: compare him to people because there's just not really good comparison.

434
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Speaker 5: I don't I don't find that Jason Kidder or even

435
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,040
Speaker 5: Reggie Miller. Yeah, all that accurate. But maybe that's why

436
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,639
Speaker 5: it's hard to place him, because we need to compare

437
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 5: him who is who is his you know, his mold.

438
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 5: He's different, right, he's, you know, an undrafted guy and

439
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 5: undrafted a guy who's drafted late, leading his team to

440
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Speaker 5: two finals, picks it up in the postseason, doesn't have

441
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 5: regular season accolades or just totals as well. So yeah,

442
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,960
Speaker 5: second all team once, never part of the time, right, yeah,

443
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 5: this was his first Yeah.

444
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Speaker 2: Well yeah, well, highly encourage you to go check out

445
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 2: that article from Hollinger pointing out, yeah, how weird it

446
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,640
Speaker 2: will be maybe twenty years from now. In talking about

447
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 2: Jimmy and that's why he's talking about him right this second.

448
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 2: And this is also what Heat fans want to hear.

449
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 2: We're like writing the obituary for the Miami team. They're done.

450
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 2: Oh Jimmy, what a season, what a year? And watch

451
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Speaker 2: them give us a game six tonight. We'll be on

452
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Speaker 2: playback join us at eight thirty pm Eastern. What else

453
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Speaker 2: you got?

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Speaker 3: One last thing is that I do think it is

455
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 3: pretty interesting how much Jimmy's reputation around the league has flipped,

456
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 3: cause he had a terrible reputation after leaving the Bulls,

457
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Speaker 3: Like I remember having fights with my Bulls friends back

458
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Speaker 3: home about like they choose between Rose and Butler, the

459
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 3: two personalities aren't going to work. Obviously, the Timberwolves situation

460
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 3: was loaded with drama when he went there, and all

461
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 3: of that has been completely swept under the rug at

462
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 3: this point because Jimmy got to the Heat where he

463
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 3: fits in perfectly and everybody's like, oh, this makes sense,

464
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 3: You're one of the greatest of all time, rather than

465
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 3: he was a one of the worst teammates of all

466
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Speaker 3: time during you know, seventeen through nineteen.

467
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Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, no, it's a great point.

468
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Speaker 3: He's he's but three wins on the board is all

469
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Speaker 3: that matters.

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Speaker 2: That's all that matters, right, That's right, all right, We

471
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Speaker 2: got to take a break. We got lots more still

472
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 2: talk about lots of NBA news, So don't go anywhere.

473
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Speaker 2: We'll be back in a second, all right here in

474
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Speaker 2: the Classic Factor. If you're joining us live on YouTube,

475
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Speaker 2: we love to see it. Hit the like button, make

476
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Speaker 2: sure you subscribe. Got some NBA news for you, guys.

477
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 2: And this first one is still Finals related. As if

478
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Speaker 2: losing Game four of the Finals to the Nuggets wasn't

479
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: tough enough for the heat, it turns out the man

480
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 2: who played their mascot, or plays their mascot, excuse me,

481
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 2: Bernie was taken into the emergency room of a nearby

482
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Speaker 2: hospital for treatment after being leveled by former UFC champ

483
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Speaker 2: Connor McGregor on Friday night. According to sources, the man

484
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Speaker 2: was given pain medication by the doctor and has since

485
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 2: been sent home and is doing well. So we will

486
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: see Bernie in Game six if there is a Game

487
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Speaker 2: six in Miami, Trey, you were there, you were in

488
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 2: the arena, you were filming it from like the nosebleeds.

489
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 2: I think we even have the footage. What was going

490
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 2: through your head when Connor McGregor took a couple shots

491
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Speaker 2: at Bernie.

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Speaker 3: Well, when Connor came out, I was like, he's gonna

493
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Speaker 3: punch Bernie. He's absolutely gonna punch Bernie. They would not

494
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 3: have him in this outfit if something wasn't going down.

495
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 3: I need to get my camera out to see what's

496
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 3: gonna happen. And then there ain't no doubt, Like Connor

497
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 3: really hauls into Bernie and you have no idea where

498
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: this guy's head is inside that Bernie head. Afterwards, I

499
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 3: remember looking around not seeing Bernie about in the arena,

500
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 3: but I'm like, oh, whatever, he's probably just changing, you know,

501
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: mascots are always in the back. Then the game started

502
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 3: happening and I kind of lost track of if Bernie

503
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: did or did not show up, but he really got

504
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 3: I guess uh, if you hit in the wrong place

505
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 3: of that puffy head, you could make contact with the

506
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 3: real head end. Despite the fact that Connor McGregor loses

507
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 3: most of his fights these days, you're still going to

508
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Speaker 3: take him in a match against the guy he doesn't

509
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 3: know is fighting.

510
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that was it. That second punch.

511
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which one did it.

512
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: I would love to know, or was an accumulation of

513
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: both of them.

514
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Speaker 5: Was it that that was the second one where he

515
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 5: was rolling around? I know at first one he just

516
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 5: takes it like a mascot. Yeah, he just fell the

517
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 5: big old he knocked off his hat and then he

518
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 5: was still. And then the second punch he is literally

519
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 5: rolling around, writhing in paint.

520
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Speaker 1: He's hurt and he's a great actor.

521
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know if that second one was playing,

522
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 5: because I mean, if this wasn't if this was an act,

523
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 5: that that trip to the hospital was not planned whatsoever,

524
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 5: and it was, it was just it just came out

525
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 5: of nowhere.

526
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Speaker 3: So you're saying bad stoppage by the ref Jason Jackson

527
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 3: should have waved it off after the first punch.

528
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that second punch was planned, well, right, right,

529
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: right right, yeah, the first.

530
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Speaker 2: Or if it was, McGregor should have taken a little

531
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: bit off of it and actually got through that Bernie

532
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 2: puffy head in his head.

533
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Speaker 1: Well, not hit him in the face. I hit his

534
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: large the large part of the head. Yeah.

535
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Speaker 2: A couple things about this weird skit in general when

536
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 2: you think about it. Conor McGregor Okay, Yeah, he's a fighter.

537
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 2: I get it. He's going to fight the mascot. But

538
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 2: you're at home, Connor McGregor. Just beat the shit out

539
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: of your own mascot. You're trying to win a finals game.

540
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: Doesn't send a good message to the team or the

541
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: fan base. In my opinion, that was a little strange.

542
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: And then the other part is my favorite part, just

543
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: because it's so ironic. McGregor was there doing like a

544
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 2: promotional bit for his pain relief spray.

545
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: Yes, it's the official relief spray in the Miami seat.

546
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 3: Now he's in the fact holding the bottle.

547
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 2: I think when he punches them like, it's in his

548
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 2: other hand, this spray thing.

549
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: So I thought that was his phone. So I sprayed

550
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: on Bernie.

551
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: Ye, that's right.

552
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: Well, you can't take the mask on head off, giving

553
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: me at least offered backstage, He's like, hey, just spray

554
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 3: it on this guy's he should be fine.

555
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: I think so.

556
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: And it was a potential concussion, right.

557
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: Well, I guess so. Yeah. I mean he's taken to

558
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: the r and given something by the doctors and they

559
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: checked them or tested them. Probably was woozy, I assume, yeah.

560
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 2: I mean if you legit got punched through that big

561
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: old head, then damn that would hurt. Because McGregor, at

562
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: least in those clips we've seen yours and other ones

563
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: like he does not hold back. But my guess is

564
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: does Bernie or someone that works with it. He is like, Okay,

565
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: we're gonna do this little thing out here, like you know,

566
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: clock me, Like look at me, I'm like a body armor. Fine,

567
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: but yeah that's second one. That's second one on the ground.

568
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: What are you doing mcgrad here? Unless we're just all

569
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 2: being worked and this is a complete bit just to

570
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 2: make great headlines, like McGregor like paid them a ton

571
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: of money. But we're gonna go overboard here, but we're

572
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: gonna go.

573
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: To the r.

574
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 5: But the er headlines were like twenty four hours after something.

575
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 5: There was like way later than the actual gate.

576
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: Right.

577
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 5: I think the athletics, if it was a joke, it

578
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 5: would have happened during the game.

579
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: Right, stretcher come out?

580
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: Yeah he did get booed. McGregor got booed.

581
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: He clocked him.

582
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. I think it was part clocking in

583
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 3: part what are we doing here?

584
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

585
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 3: Are we talking about a body spray? Right now?

586
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: How you were there for Games three and four. How

587
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: was How were the fans? How were the crowds? I know,

588
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: I know there was some Twitter discourse. I think koc

589
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: of the Ringer got people some heat. Fans upset about

590
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: this idea of them not getting back to their seats

591
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: at the start of the third quarter and stuff like that.

592
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: What were your takes.

593
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 3: It's loud when you're in there and there are a

594
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: lot of people in there, but as I said on playback,

595
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: it feels like there is too much happening in the concourses,

596
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: Like there's just too many stands. People are too excited

597
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: to be hanging out because I don't know. Jerome and

598
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: I were there hours hours early, so you were seeing

599
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: a ton of people come in. Then you get to

600
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: the arena and it's just all in the concourses, people

601
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: hanging out, wanting to be seen, flicking up, taking some

602
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: Instagram photos. So yeah, maybe you're getting delayed coming back,

603
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I think their fans are there.

604
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: Their fans are there and they're cheering.

605
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: Man.

606
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, but Miami has a bad rap because

607
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: if they get down by ten points, they're leaving, right.

608
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: That's that's the bigger concern to be like, it's not

609
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: so much being there at the start of the third

610
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: quarter that would help, But I don't really think that's

611
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 3: turning the tide. It's leaving when you're down by ten

612
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: with a minute and a half, you're like, this is

613
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 3: the last game of your season. Perhaps you should at

614
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: least stick around and cheered first. Exactly.

615
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's fair an Any thoughts to add to that.

616
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 5: Nah, it doesn't seem like they're back in their seats

617
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 5: for the third quarter a lot of the time.

618
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: But that's a lot of arenas as we've talked about.

619
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: Okay me, Well, this team notoriously are like this the

620
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: Toronto Raptors.

621
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: That's the segue firing.

622
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: Grizzlies assistant Darko Rajakovich as the franchise's next head coach.

623
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: The Serbians started as a G League head coach before

624
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: advancing to the OKC bench, and he made stops with

625
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: the Suns and of course the Grizzlies, and he was

626
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: in fact elevated to Taylor Jenkins's top assistant there in Memphis.

627
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: But the Raptors finally picked a head coach tass in Darko,

628
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: here were you surprised and any thoughts.

629
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 5: Darko Riyakovic coming out of nowhere didn't feel like he

630
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 5: was on the radar. From the interviews, he is definitely

631
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 5: worthy and players like him. As you saw Desmond Baine

632
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 5: where he was just an assistant, Tyas Jones coming out

633
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 5: and say this guy, yes, definitely deserved. So that's a

634
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 5: good sign. I do think that you don't often see

635
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 5: when guys get a job his players coming out and

636
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 5: really pining for him.

637
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: So I think that's great.

638
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 5: He's young, which I think is a good sign. He

639
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 5: uses the word swag a lot apparently I've heard his players,

640
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 5: but I think players do love him. He's Steven Adams,

641
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 5: one of the funniest guys in the league, said he's

642
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 5: energetic and it's great to be around. He's coached since

643
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 5: he was a baby, since he was like sixteen or seventeen. Yea, yeah,

644
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 5: in Serbia, Spain ge League. He's got a little, you know,

645
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 5: a little nurse vibes there where he coached abroad and

646
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 5: he's been an NBA assistant for nearly a decade. Player

647
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 5: development is his thing, and that kind of stalled with

648
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 5: the Raptors last year with Scottie Barnes specifically, he's good

649
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 5: for team ball as I just mentioned Tyas Jones their

650
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 5: record without John Morant, so I think that's also a

651
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 5: very good sign. Seems like he's good for this team.

652
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 5: And yeah, I like the young route for Ryakovic. It

653
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 5: seems like he'll be liked in those huddles.

654
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Speaker 2: There was an interesting part in Woja's article about this

655
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: where he wrote, quote, the Raptors wanted a coach whom

656
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: they believed could co which to a contending team should

657
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: the franchise stay on its current path with the Veterans,

658
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: or a rebuilding roster should they eventually transform the roster

659
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: to younger players and draft assets. And I'm like, oh, okay,

660
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: so what we're saying the Raptors trying to pitch it

661
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: as Hey, Darko can do either we either are a

662
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: contending team, you know, hopefully moving into next season, or

663
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: if we decide to move some of our star players

664
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Speaker 2: and go younger in draft picks, he's the guy for

665
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: that as well. And I think most Raptors fans that

666
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 2: they have to pick between one of the two when

667
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: they see Darko as the selection here as the coach

668
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: they think does this mean they're pivoting towards the latter

669
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Speaker 2: there and the rebuild, so to speak, or at least

670
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Speaker 2: the youth movement.

671
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Speaker 1: It's possible.

672
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Speaker 3: That was my first question, And this to me seems

673
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: like we're hiring a rebuilding coach, somebody nobody's ever heard of,

674
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: a young guy who is known for player development. That

675
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: doesn't scream to me we're trying to win the championship

676
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: this year, especially considering the way the trade deadline went.

677
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: The Raptors were involved in every single rumor. They've got

678
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: free agents this summer that got still tradable players this summer,

679
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: So to me, this kind of points more towards we're

680
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: moving on to the next phase here, and we're getting

681
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: a guy who's gonna hopefully maximize what Scotty Barnes can do,

682
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: because that's the biggest question for the Raptors to me,

683
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: is how do we get Scottie Barnes back to the

684
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year path He was on one Rookie

685
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: of the year. We're expecting better things in season two,

686
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: and it wasn't necessarily better things in season two, But yeah,

687
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: this seems more so along the lines of we're trying

688
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: something new, because if they wanted to continue contending and

689
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: stick with a little continuity, they probably would have just

690
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: hired Adrian Griffin, the assistant who was highly regarded that

691
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: was there and they let go.

692
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so coaches fired this off season was Budenholzer, Monty Williams,

693
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: Nick Nurse, Doc River, Stephen Silas, and dwing Casey. Their

694
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: replacements Adrian Griffin there with Milwaukee Frank Vogel, Darko, Nick Nurse, Udoka,

695
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: and Monty Williams. So they're all now all thirty positions

696
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: have been filled.

697
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: Are you excited?

698
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: Like, are you guys excited to have a guy this

699
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: is named Darko But.

700
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: He's like the one unknown coach who was hired.

701
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, but so was Nurse in a way. I mean

702
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 5: he was an assistant obviously, but.

703
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: So Nick Nurse was more known than this guy though

704
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: for sure.

705
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was on the Raptor's bench too.

706
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: But I am because I think this is them tipping

707
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: their hand, that this is the direction we're gonna go,

708
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: and I'm not angry with it. And what I mean

709
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: by that is build around Scottie Barnes, and I don't

710
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: think it's blow it up and trade everybody. But I

711
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: don't think Van Vliet is gonna be there. I don't

712
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: think Gary Trent Junior is gonna be there. I think

713
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: definitely it's possible still that in og or Siakam probably

714
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: just one of the two are dealt for hopefully a

715
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: promising young player, a promising pick, and that dark O

716
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: then is the guy to sort of lead this youth movement.

717
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: That's what I think. But I never know with Messiah

718
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: and Bob Webster because as they just proved with this

719
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: coaching search, they zag they're like, you know, you think

720
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: it's gonna go one way. You think you hear all

721
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: these big names, and they're like, no, it's some guy

722
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: that a lot of people have no idea about. But

723
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: I was. I've been obviously reading a ton about it,

724
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: trying to like listen to like people's thoughts on Darko,

725
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: like players and other people that know a lot more

726
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: about this than I do. And I'm excited about the

727
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: way he likes to play offense, especially he doesn't like ISO,

728
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: and the teams that he's been a part of are

729
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: like very high in assists and ball movement and stuff

730
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: like that.

731
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: I love that.

732
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: That's fun basketball to watch. And I think how you

733
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: would want to do it with a guy like Scotti Barnes.

734
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: That's sort of like a point forward. So yeah, excited,

735
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: maybe not, But I feel like they're picking a path here. Yeah.

736
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: And I think they're gonna do something big here leading

737
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: up to the draft, or at least here in the

738
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: off season.

739
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Speaker 1: I do. I'm never super excited when a coach gets hired.

740
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't really. I'm not really.

741
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 5: Concerned or looking forward to whether he wears a you know,

742
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 5: a crew cut or a suit or or like, that's

743
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 5: not my That's not why I get excited. I don't

744
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 5: know what they're doing with the future. But yeah, we've

745
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 5: pointed to all good things about a potential coach, don't

746
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 5: I don't know if Messiino's for sure his Fred moving on,

747
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 5: he should have a problem. Yeah, well, I think as

748
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 5: far as a free agents go, I think he has

749
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 5: a plan. I do think Fred's moving on. They need

750
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 5: a guard for sure. Are we looking at the next uh,

751
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 5: the Scout and Scott potential future?

752
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: Are Are they going to trade for Scoot Henderson?

753
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 5: Maybe you know, we trade up to potentially get him

754
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 5: and trade one of these guys you're going through here

755
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 5: skeets maybe, but I think the guys as well liked

756
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 5: I do like the young route. I think that's a

757
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 5: a great sign that the Rappers continue to do that

758
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 5: and not not go with a retread somebody who's who

759
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 5: hasn't been a head coach, and hey, he's he seems

760
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 5: extremely youthful. Charisma. The riz is the word I keep hearing.

761
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, very excited.

762
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: He's been using apparently.

763
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 5: I heard Michael Cole, reporter to Michael Cole say he's

764
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 5: been using the word swag for years. He's got to

765
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 5: learn the word riz. And this guy, he's full of riz.

766
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 5: Rayakovic full of riz u.

767
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 2: I will finish this coaching talk here with this note

768
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: from Zilla because it sort of blew my mind. He

769
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: wrote this in his newsletter this morning. Barring a new

770
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: opening coming available, Doc Rivers will not be a head

771
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: coach on NBA Opening Night for the first time since

772
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight. It's like, holy crap. Doc has been

773
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 2: an NBA head coach consistently longer than any other current

774
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: NBA head coach, with the exception of Popovich. Doc's coaching

775
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: career began just before Rick Carlisle took over for the Pistons,

776
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: a few years before Mike Brown took the helm for

777
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 2: the Calves, and about a decade before Eric Spolster got

778
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: the keys to the Miami Heat. Thank god, you want

779
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 2: to feel old.

780
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: So they're all the coaching vacancies are full.

781
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: They're full. Yeah, we're thirty third.

782
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 5: Okay, we're a game five. Here might be the last

783
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 5: game of the series. Kevin Garnett had a live stream

784
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 5: last game. Paul Pierce came on for some great moments.

785
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 5: Get on Doc tonight. This could be the last game.

786
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 5: The jobs are taken. Get Doc on there.

787
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: M m oh yeah, like start as media run right now.

788
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 2: That's what people are saying, is Doc gonna go back

789
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: into television.

790
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: It was like a big time broadcast. People liked him.

791
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a long time ago now, but don't

792
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 2: remember him being bad. So to speak.

793
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: Man, I would love to go back to his broadcast

794
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 3: and hear what his voice sounds because twenty years of

795
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: coaching the way Doc Rivers has been coaching.

796
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god, well we'll see all right. Final piece

797
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: of news here. Celtics forward Grant Williams had successful surgery

798
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: on his left hand Friday that is expected to have

799
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: him fully recovered for the start of training camp in

800
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: the fall. The surgery to repair a torn ligament comes

801
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: after Grant hurt his hand in March, though he decided

802
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: to continue playing with the injury through the Celtics run

803
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: to the East Finals. We slipped in the Middleton news

804
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: on Saturday's podcast and this Grant Williams news was breaking

805
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: right at that time. But yeah, this is a guy

806
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: that is going into restricted free agency and whether this

807
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: has any impact on the dollars he'll maake or not,

808
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure because he should be back and okay.

809
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he uses his right hand way more so. Right, Yeah,

810
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 5: I think he'll be fine, and I think he'll get

811
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 5: a pay dam. I'm really interested to see who pays him,

812
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 5: how much he gets paid. In this NBA he showed

813
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 5: he's pretty versatile defensively, can hit some shots. But yeah,

814
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 5: it was DNP for a lot of the Celtics front,

815
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 5: although they used him towards the end.

816
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 3: Any thoughts on Grant Williams here, Yeah, I think it's

817
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: kind of interesting because you look at Grant Williams and

818
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: it's like career bests and rebounds, points, assists. She still

819
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 3: shot the ball thirty nine percent from three. He had

820
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: his best season of his career, but it didn't really

821
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 3: feel like it because, like you're saying, Tassi fell out

822
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 3: of the rotation for a large chunk of this season

823
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: and wasn't necessarily a huge part of it to start

824
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: the playoffs. But I think he's kind of instrumental to

825
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 3: the Celtics being able to have different styles. So yeah,

826
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: I wonder if they're going to be able to keep

827
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: him if some team says, yeah, we're going to overpay you,

828
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 3: because the Celtics are going to get pretty expensive here

829
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: with Jalen Brown's contract coming up, Jason Tatum obviously he's

830
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: going to get the super Duper Max because of his

831
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: All NBA status. Then you look at the bigs that

832
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 3: the Celtics have. Al Horford is getting Olderrobert Williams is

833
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,479
Speaker 3: an injury concern for the entirety of the regular season,

834
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 3: and then it's a question mark in the playoffs as well.

835
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 3: They need to bring back Grant Williams, but they kind

836
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: of they might not be able to afford keeping him

837
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 3: or losing him. So that's an interesting one to watch,

838
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: But like Tas said, at least it's its left hand,

839
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: so he'll probably still get paid because he's got a

840
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: messed up right elbow as well, but they're not fixing,

841
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 3: which apparently no problem with that. So an interesting case

842
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: to watch the summer, I think.

843
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 5: And I will say his probably his most notorious moment

844
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 5: was getting into Jimmy Butler's face in the Conference finals,

845
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 5: and people made fun of him because Jimmy went on

846
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 5: a run afterward, But I like that fight, even if

847
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 5: he picked the wrong guy. Boston was not showing fight

848
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 5: to start this post or that series specifically, and he

849
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 5: came along and showed that fight. And yeah, there was

850
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 5: obviously a heck of a roller coaster of a season

851
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 5: for Boston. They kind of lost their defensive identity, Grant

852
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 5: kind of.

853
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: Lost his spot because they were going.

854
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 5: But those stats that Trey brought up were interesting because

855
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 5: he was good. I mean, he put the ball on

856
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 5: the floor occasionally and was able to get into those

857
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 5: step back threes.

858
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: He expanded his game. So somebody will pay him, I imagine,

859
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: especially in this free agent class.

860
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: Well, the Celtics match, that'll be the question for them

861
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 2: this summer. All you got to take one more break,

862
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: another quick one when we come back tweeted the night.

863
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 2: All right, real quickie of a podcast here Monday morning

864
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: as we get hyped for Game five tonight. But let's

865
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: get to tweet of the night.

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Speaker 1: Tweet of the night. Wow, twet. Tweet of the night.

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Speaker 5: Relates to that ad we just had. It's a segue

868
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 5: from that filo ad we just had. Let's go to TV.

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00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 5: This is all for you skeets. Okay, you're watching Jerry Duty.

870
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 5: Robbie Callen tweeted, Jerry Duty really is just a tremendous show.

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00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: Facts.

872
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 5: We're getting into the summer here, it's time to find

873
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 5: some good shows to watch, and apparently Jerry Duty is

874
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 5: one of them because they a big topic here in

875
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 5: the Classic Factor is Jury Duty?

876
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: Right? I believe as you started watching it is that correct? No,

877
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 2: no JDD about it. I said, I think JD's ripped

878
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: through it too. I think he's watched the entire season.

879
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: It's only eight episodes. It's not God, it didn't take

880
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: you that long.

881
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 5: No, he's he he's super angry that he's not here

882
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 5: to talk about this because I told him that this

883
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 5: is tweeted and.

884
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: Wish I was there.

885
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: It's good, it's very funny. I don't want to spoil anything,

886
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: but the premise is very simple. One man thinks he's

887
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: a part of a jury and I have a case

888
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: to uh obviously determine, but everybody around him is an actor,

889
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: and uh it's it goes from there. But the character.

890
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: What makes it very, very funny are the characters and

891
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: how insane they are. And they just found the most

892
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: like likable, gullible guy to base this whole thing around.

893
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: So it's it's good, it's I like, honestly, I watched

894
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 2: the first couple episodes. I was like, Okay, that's fine,

895
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: and I I almost checked out, as is the case

896
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: with a show if it's like not really grabbing me

897
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: right away. And like then I was like, now you know,

898
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: I'll see this through. On the third episode, and then

899
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 2: for some reason, it just like took off. I went

900
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: to another level and I was ripping through the rest

901
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: of it. I think it's on prime video, I want

902
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: to say here in the States. I think so maybe

903
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: it's difficult for some people to find. But it's a

904
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 2: freebee job, huh, A freebe yes, a freebe job, also

905
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Speaker 2: a primo. I guess she Serano in Network's show is

906
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: on that, but yeah, it's good. Highly recommend it. Thank

907
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: you who tweeted that, Robbie.

908
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 5: Gun Robbie callin all right. Yeah, Twitter was a bit

909
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 5: of a cesspool the last twelve hours. So I mailed it,

910
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 5: just like I mailed in my outfit today. We're in

911
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 5: shorts and sandals today.

912
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: I mailed it. Also. Listen a tweet that was sort of.

913
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 5: Created here by somebody in YouTube Pkam seven thousand and

914
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 5: one that I'll steal here Bones Highland. You think he's

915
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 5: getting a ring from the Denver Nuggets if they win

916
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 5: the championship they traded him away mid season.

917
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: No, yes, yes, he has great stuff. I know some

918
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: people really care about this stuff. Some people don't.

919
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 5: Apparently this was a little premature, but the Lakers, by

920
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 5: all accounts, we're going to give everybody who played for

921
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 5: their team this year a championship ring. Pat Bev Russell

922
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 5: Westbrook if they were able to get there. Boneshilent an

923
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 5: interesting one unlike those two. Yeah, not a not a

924
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 5: great relationship.

925
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: But the Denver Nuggets, let me.

926
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: Make this very clear. Do I think the billionaire owner

927
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: should poney up and make some more rings to possibly

928
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: give away. Yeah? Go ahead are more like, should Bones

929
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: Highland want that ring? That's where I struggle with that

930
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: just seems a little It would just seem strange to me,

931
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: being like, sweet, here's my championship ring. I don't know,

932
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 2: maybe he feels different. I don't know if they've asked

933
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: Bones if he wants it even but I that's weird

934
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: to me, Like he didn't want to like he obviously

935
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: there was some which is weird with this Nuggets team

936
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: because they're so tight. I mean, there was some friction there,

937
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: you like, he wasn't happy with his role and it

938
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: was having an impact I believe a little bit on

939
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: the locker room or at least how they felt about

940
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: him and whatever. So they shipped them out. Yeah, so,

941
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: I mean he was a part of the team, but

942
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 2: to the point where they didn't want him a part

943
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: of the team anymore. So I don't know, see a

944
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: strange gi.

945
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, they didn't want him to a point where they

946
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 5: made the trade for Contavious Caldwell Pope trading away Monte

947
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 5: Morris before the season and we all thought, man, that

948
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 5: bench is thin. They traded away their pseudo starting point guard.

949
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 5: With Monte Morris, they got Bones Island as a second

950
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 5: year player, traded him and they're not even playing Reggie Jackson,

951
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 5: who they also signed. So yeah, there was definitely a strain.

952
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: But you think that they they.

953
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 5: Should give him one Trey Uh, yeah, actually I do.

954
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 3: You see, there was the reaction that Jokic had when

955
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: Monte Morris showed up, and we've heard them all talk

956
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: about the great chemistry they had. Maybe subtracting bones from

957
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 3: the locker room was a big part of that. Definitely

958
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: feels like it. But it also feels like Denver is

959
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: definitely in the mode right now where they're like, if

960
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: you were along for the ride at any point, you

961
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 3: were along for the ride. I also don't think it

962
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: sends a great message to the rest of the league

963
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 3: if you're like, we're picking out this one guy to

964
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: single out as the problem and we're not giving him

965
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: a ring. Played one hundred and eleven games with Denver,

966
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: five games in the playoffs last year. He was a

967
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: part of the Nuggets, part of this era that built

968
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: their way to a championship. So yeah, slide them a

969
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: ring and keep it in your top drawer, don't wear

970
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: it a lot. What didn't really help?

971
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: What is the official ruling on this is it just

972
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: from team to two.

973
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: And the subjectively subjective.

974
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 5: This is something that has come of age here in

975
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 5: the Internet era the last few years. We didn't know

976
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 5: before who got the ring from guys who were traded

977
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 5: like years ago. But then you remember that the reps

978
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 5: run they didn't give one to Yonas Valancuta. That's right, Yeah,

979
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 5: initially who was traded for marcashl at the trade deadline,

980
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 5: but somebody who didn't want to be traded, who was

981
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 5: a raps lifer.

982
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: There was no friction.

983
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 5: With him, and then they ended up being pressured into it, right,

984
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 5: I meant it felt like it was an Internet pressure

985
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 5: thing where they ended up giving him one.

986
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 2: Did he I think?

987
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: So? Oh?

988
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: I didn't. I think that was ultimately happened.

989
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 5: I think there was a Bobby web There was an

990
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 5: uproar for sure. Bobby Webster got pressured and even Delan Right,

991
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 5: maybe that seem like they got one now they don't.

992
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 5: They don't throw it around like they don't, don't it

993
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 5: Like you're saying sort of about Bones Island. Probably not

994
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 5: a proud moment this season when he was dealt away,

995
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 5: even though in a different scenario with Theonis Valancotis and

996
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 5: maybe Delan right, but I feel like they were pressured

997
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 5: into it and the Yeah those are those are things

998
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 5: that are not given out at a ceremony.

999
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: Well, I would like the guys who actually win the ring.

1000
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: If bones like does want it and gets it, go

1001
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: the other way. Don't put it in a drawer and

1002
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: never think about it. Wear it all the time. Say

1003
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: you're an NBA champion all the time, like lean into that.

1004
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: Then I find that very funny. Otherwise, Yeah, I just

1005
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: I guess, uh, don't take it, or maybe they're not

1006
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: even offering I guess we don't really know it. As

1007
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: they come out and said that's what we're doing.

1008
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: They're giving one of the bones.

1009
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, probably not because they haven't won the championship yet.

1010
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: You don't want to junx it two.

1011
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 5: To Yeah, like the Lakers. There's literally a report I mean,

1012
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 5: I feel like it came from a source within the

1013
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 5: organization that yeah, Pat Bev and Russell Westbrook would be

1014
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 5: getting this season.

1015
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: And they were both like ready to accept it.

1016
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, nail it in, thank you really weird.

1017
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: Let me update my mailing address for sure. All Right,

1018
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: those are the tweets of the night. As I said,

1019
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: join us tonight Game five the NBA Finals. We're on

1020
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: playback at eight thirty pm Eastern. Do the Nuggets win

1021
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: their first title in franchise history, the first NBA championship

1022
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: in franchise history. We'll find out, or ken the heat

1023
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: do the improbable here and even give us a game

1024
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: six because the line is, I believe nine nine and

1025
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: a half for Denver, it feels about. It feels like

1026
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of people are like, it's a wrap,

1027
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: it's over. It's the Jokic coronation. We saw the other

1028
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 2: joker when the French open yesterday. We've got a Serbian

1029
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: coach now on the raptors, like it is. It's time

1030
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: for Serbia right now? So do they wrap it up?

1031
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: We'll find out together on playback. I can't wait too

1032
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: to see you guys there anything else.

1033
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: It's Polly Shore and Jerry Duty.

1034
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: No, it's not.

1035
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: That's why I haven't watched yet. Oh okay, how just

1036
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: respectful to not include him in the rebit.

1037
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: How do you feel about James Marsden?

1038
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 3: Ambivalent, like he's he's just a movie star that's out there.

1039
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you'll like him after this though. I

1040
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: think you might. I think you might.

1041
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 3: He's pretty much started watching Silo. It's on Apple TV.

1042
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: Oh, I won't even like that.

1043
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: It's like a broke lost Oh, it's all about mystery.

1044
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 3: I don't know if I like it. I watched three

1045
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 3: episodes last night. I started up I like it.

1046
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: Who built the Silo? It felt so weird last night,

1047
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: a Sunday night with no MBA action or succession that

1048
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: Nor had. I started up the rewatch of Succession we

1049
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: put on episode one, season one. Weird. It's like the

1050
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: pilot Roman's got a family. What Nora is like, yeah,

1051
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: it's the pilot and they just completely like changed it

1052
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 2: moving forward. He has like a wife and a kid,

1053
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: Roman Roman.

1054
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: I I gotta it's.

1055
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: So, is this the pilot that aired?

1056
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's.

1057
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: But in the first place, so we've all seen I

1058
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: don't remember that.

1059
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 2: There's a scene where there's a young girl talking to Connor,

1060
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 2: Uncle Connor, and he's like, you know, it's Roman's kid

1061
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: and it's like his wife or you know whatever partner.

1062
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: It's really strange. Yeah, it's really weird. Anyway, that's what

1063
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: we did. H colebor bro you heard it here first,

1064
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: have a great time, turn up love you guys awesome.

1065
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.

1066
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 5: And remember, if Kevin Love comes back from three to one,

1067
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 5: he'll be the only guy to do it twice in

1068
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 5: the NBA Finals.

1069
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: It's got to call Fred van Vliet.

1070
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: I was gonna say. You said he is a dad

1071
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: here it's.

1072
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: Just had his baby.

1073
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: This would be big, big Kevin Love game tonight, Dad

1074
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: power activated do it again. We'll find out. I'll play

1075
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: it back. Brace to eight people