WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Lesson Learned?

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<v Speaker 1>The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys. Are you ready

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<v Speaker 1>for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Wednesday, November tenth, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>episode number fifty eight. Welcome to the latest edition of

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<v Speaker 1>The Break Life in st WBCT Mortgage Studios at the Star.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we turned the page. We start looking forward. We

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<v Speaker 1>moved away from Denver and head toward Atlanta. Cowboys face

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta Falcons this Sunday at noon at at and

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<v Speaker 1>T Stadium. It's our job to get you guys ready,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's exactly what we will do on today's show.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's start first with some news. It broke yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>kicker Greg Zerline added to the COVID list. Um, let's

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<v Speaker 1>start first with how big of a deal is this

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<v Speaker 1>for Dallas? Because I get the impression. Well, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell you my thoughts on Zerline. I think he's a

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<v Speaker 1>good kicker. I don't think he's an elite kicker, and

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<v Speaker 1>but on the flip side of that, I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty money when it comes to money kicks, When it

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<v Speaker 1>comes down to end the game kicks, he tends to

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<v Speaker 1>make them work. So how big of a deal is

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<v Speaker 1>this for them if they can't get him to play

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday. Hopefully it's not a big deal at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully it just means they won't kick. I hope. Just

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<v Speaker 1>just go for it every time, Just go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>You name two elite kickers one I can name one, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Tucker two younger young Waiku in Atlanta's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>damn kicking. But yeah, yeah, he is doing well as

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact that we will see him this Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah him. I bet there's another one I thought hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Harrison Bucker in Kansas City. Yeah, it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>There's probably three. I just I mean, I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>been pretty good, Zerline, and I think most kickers are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good. You know, last time we saw a Tucker,

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<v Speaker 1>he missed. I don't know if he's missed since, but

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<v Speaker 1>I know he missed against the Cowboy. He doesn't miss

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't and he can make it from what sixty six, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>wherever them he pretty much whatever, put the ball down,

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<v Speaker 1>up and put the ball down. But my point is that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think I think Zirline has been pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good based off of, you know, just what most kickers

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<v Speaker 1>are around the league. When I was gonna say, when

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<v Speaker 1>the news came out and I was looking around on

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter and seeing like what fans were saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of comment of people just being really excited

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<v Speaker 1>that this happened because he gives a cow with an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to bring another kicker in, try him out, hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>be better than Shirline. But but then, and although I

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<v Speaker 1>agree to a certain level or extent, I'm like, to

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<v Speaker 1>you guys this point, who is better out there? And

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<v Speaker 1>if whatever other kicker you bring, he's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be that far better than than what Sterling has been.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, yeah, it's not great that sometimes he misses,

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, it's like, okay, what else,

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<v Speaker 1>what what's the other option? We as a fan base

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<v Speaker 1>are spoiled by having a guy that was a Justin

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<v Speaker 1>Tucker for a decade, and they had Dan Bailey he

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<v Speaker 1>was automatic for eight years, um and and it goes

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<v Speaker 1>back to you know, you you you're harsh on Dak

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<v Speaker 1>because you see every throw that he makes, and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't follow every quarterback that closely. You're probably only seeing

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<v Speaker 1>other kickers if they're not playing your team. It's when

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<v Speaker 1>Fox cuts in to show you their game winner and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, damn, that's a good kick, right, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>not seeing the miss from forty two that he had

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in the game. And it's subjective. Um, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, and I think you've said this, Derek. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing that concerns me is he does have a pension

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<v Speaker 1>for the dramatic kick. Um Like he hit game winner

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<v Speaker 1>against atlant last year, had a fifty five yard game

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<v Speaker 1>winner this year. His uh the go ahead against Tampa

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<v Speaker 1>that ultimately didn't win him the game was from forty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's he's reliable in those clutch situations from what

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen. Um, you'd like to think that it won't

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<v Speaker 1>come down to that against Atlanta this week, but you

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<v Speaker 1>never know, so that that worries me. Um. But he's

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<v Speaker 1>seventy eight percent on the year, which is not a

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<v Speaker 1>good percentage at all. So I think I said last

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<v Speaker 1>week it was like I think he's twenty first, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say in the league in kicking percentage, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>rather not have to think about this. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's such a dramatic drop off that I'm worried

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<v Speaker 1>about it. And I'm I said it tongue in cheek,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm serious, Like fourth and three and in unless

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<v Speaker 1>it's just an unless it's a pressure situation where you

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<v Speaker 1>need the points because it's late in the game or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>I just go for it. Take it off your kicker shoulders.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been, hey haven't. It's fine. I know that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what's frustrating about it is that it because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people are, especially on the second one was like,

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<v Speaker 1>just just get the field goal. But how have they

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<v Speaker 1>been this year when when it comes to fourth downs?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I don't know it to me and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the stats. I don't know the stats, but it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like they're not a great fourth down team. They're

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<v Speaker 1>They're not. Really Yeah, I still don't care, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do think that at some point. The reason why I

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<v Speaker 1>think statistically everyone always talks about, hey, it's always good

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<v Speaker 1>to go forward and fourth downs because there was a

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<v Speaker 1>time in the NFL when basically you could get a

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<v Speaker 1>fourth down just like this, especially its fourth and short,

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<v Speaker 1>still a quarterback sneak. Now teams that isn't as easy

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<v Speaker 1>as it once was, And I'm starting to wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>the stats aren't. The data isn't starting to say, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's not a good idea to go for it

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<v Speaker 1>on fourth down as frequently as maybe it was years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it. Offensive line isn't as good as

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<v Speaker 1>it was a few years ago. It's not. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>very I mean, Connor Williams is kind of just an

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<v Speaker 1>average guard. I think Beyondest is not an average center.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now. You know they're left tackle. Yes, last week

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<v Speaker 1>was not very good in the game. You know, Lyle's

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<v Speaker 1>working his way back in and Zach Martin's probably the

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<v Speaker 1>best guard in football. But it's hard to you know

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<v Speaker 1>that the line is just not something you could count

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<v Speaker 1>on like you used to. So fourth and inches, fourth

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<v Speaker 1>and one, fourth and two, you know, it's that's something

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<v Speaker 1>that they're having to deal with right now. Well, and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to crowd people into the box and

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<v Speaker 1>telegraph what you're gonna do. I mean, they didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>The call to centric Wilson was perfect. It was it

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<v Speaker 1>was perfect. He might have scored. Throw a better ball,

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<v Speaker 1>and don't let the fact that it didn't work scare

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<v Speaker 1>you in the future, because I'll take Dak completing that

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<v Speaker 1>past ninety nine times out of one hundred. Yeah, just

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<v Speaker 1>is what I mean. And that's what makes football so

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<v Speaker 1>great is you get one shot at these things and

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<v Speaker 1>he normally makes that throw. That's yeah. But the but

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth I mean, but the fourth and ones and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. We saw it in New England. We

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<v Speaker 1>saw it in the goal line in New England. We

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<v Speaker 1>saw it that whole game. You know, they're just not

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<v Speaker 1>pushing people back and that's just plain and simple. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not doing that. So you know they they're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>They can't just run up to say I'm better than

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<v Speaker 1>you and we're gonna just get this yard yard because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not always working, all right. They're twenty seventh and

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<v Speaker 1>fourth down conversion percentage, which is rough. That's not they're

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<v Speaker 1>six and two. I mean, it hasn't gotten in their

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<v Speaker 1>way too much. I'm and and again you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>situation where if you're well, it depends on who wins

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<v Speaker 1>this tryout. You our Buddy Brett Maher is one of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys. You read that right, um? But and Hira

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<v Speaker 1>Lula whom leram Hira lah who ain't that fall? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll take I'll take Dak Prescott converting a fourth

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<v Speaker 1>down over putting a guy who's never kicked an NFL

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<v Speaker 1>kick in into too much of a pressure situation. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, if it's if that's the sensible call, then

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<v Speaker 1>do it. But if it's close, I'd rather put faith

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<v Speaker 1>in my offense. Yeah, And I guess this goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to the old line conversation and how they've been this

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<v Speaker 1>year because a lot of the times they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>run the ball in situations like that, and I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I wasn't as used to seeing this

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<v Speaker 1>as like early on when he first got here. But

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<v Speaker 1>with Zeke, for example, sometimes it's like he bounces off,

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<v Speaker 1>like he hits a wall and just like bounces back.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's not that kind of power that he's used

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<v Speaker 1>to having. Some comes from the online, but some I

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<v Speaker 1>guess from himself too. He's lacking and I love what

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing. I don't think he's having a bad year

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. I think he's doing a good job, especially

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to last year. But still there's like a tiny

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<v Speaker 1>tiny bit of lack of that extra that extra power

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<v Speaker 1>that he he's used to showing us earlier on when

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<v Speaker 1>he first got here. All right, real quick, before we

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<v Speaker 1>take our first break, giving an update on who's practicing today,

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<v Speaker 1>the injury list, just the guys that are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in and out that we that we I guess

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<v Speaker 1>need to keep an eye on this week. Tyrn Smith

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to practice. He will be in the

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<v Speaker 1>rehab group, so will be out on the field doing things.

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<v Speaker 1>He just won't be taking reps. It's a step in

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<v Speaker 1>the right direction. It's probably not as good as you

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<v Speaker 1>would have wanted to hear today. We'll see how it goes. Zeke,

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<v Speaker 1>Zack Martin are gonna they're taking vet days. They'll be involved,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're not gonna get the full workload. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there was one more guy in that group, Amari maybe, um, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. Amari Cooper is also in that group. So

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<v Speaker 1>those three they're fine, but they'll be limited today. That's

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<v Speaker 1>Gallup is the full go guy. Yeah, Gallup will be

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<v Speaker 1>CD will be full today. As far as I'm I

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<v Speaker 1>just I really am. That's my own concern. I really

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<v Speaker 1>want this receiver group back out there practicing because I

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<v Speaker 1>think that was a part of it last week. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Dak needs the work. I think the receivers need

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<v Speaker 1>the work, and I think they all need to work

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<v Speaker 1>together in order to get that timing back right, because

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<v Speaker 1>it certainly was not right last week. All right, here's

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<v Speaker 1>what's gonna do. We're gonna take our first break and

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<v Speaker 1>we come back. We'll be joined by Bucky Brooks of

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<v Speaker 1>NFL Network. He will talk to us about this Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>offense facing off against the Dallas defense that when we

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<v Speaker 1>can be weird too. Yeah, all right, we gotta do

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<v Speaker 1>we We're joined right now by Bucky Brooks of NFL

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<v Speaker 1>Network as as usual, bringing in Bucky. You talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about the opposing offense on Wednesday. Bucky, let's

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<v Speaker 1>start first with the fact that this is an offense

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<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta that that has changed I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>over the last several years, losing some of the mainstay players. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think this offense does best? Where? When

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<v Speaker 1>are they at their best? I don't know if I've

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<v Speaker 1>got him all right, Well, we'll go ahead and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this a little bit nothing before we get him back.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he was trying to answer it's nothing. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>do anything. Well, I'm sure they did something to beat

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<v Speaker 1>the Saints. What does that say about the Saints? Again?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything. We are not acting like the

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<v Speaker 1>last week, Tali member, we are talking, we are not.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, they're they're doing something right. Yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just gonna get their ass kicked I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you that, but but they're doing something

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Why can't you tell us that they just will?

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<v Speaker 1>Because they just will. I I don't know. Okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>put it down thirty one to ten. I'll just put

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<v Speaker 1>my score. Okay, it's Wednesday, cool Gill some time to

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<v Speaker 1>get through this thing. I might give him a field

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<v Speaker 1>goal later in the we got we got Bucky Brooks

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<v Speaker 1>joining us. Now, Bucky, I was asking about this this

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<v Speaker 1>offense that I think has changed quite a bit over

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of years. Tell me what this offense

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<v Speaker 1>does best. When are they at their best? Give it

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<v Speaker 1>the Maddy Ice and that mighty Ice go to work.

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<v Speaker 1>I think when you look at this talking team and

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<v Speaker 1>what they have, they have really good skill players. And

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<v Speaker 1>so you have Canaryl Patterson, who was doing a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of everything. You have Maddie Ice, who's throwing the

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<v Speaker 1>ball to anyone is open, and then you have Kyle Pitts,

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<v Speaker 1>who is a bit of a unicorn on a perimeter.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's a very interesting matchup. Is one that

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't look like they have a lot of names,

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<v Speaker 1>but man, they're playing really well and Arthur Smith is

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out how to use all the pieces that he

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<v Speaker 1>has around it. Is Patterson like, I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 1>Hester is probably gonna go in the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Patterson like at that level of like as a

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<v Speaker 1>returner dynamic player. I know he's doing great on offense,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, he seems like he's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most feared kick returners ever. I mean, he is definitely

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best two have ever played the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he's Gold jacket worthy, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>a difference maker. I think when you think about a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who's been a multiple time All Pro returner, someone

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<v Speaker 1>who can take it the distance anytime he touches it,

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<v Speaker 1>you certainly have to be aware of him. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that he's done the last couple of years, though,

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<v Speaker 1>has reinvented himself as a multipurpose dynamic player. His ability

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<v Speaker 1>to do it as a runner, a receiver, a returner

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<v Speaker 1>has really allowed creative minds to do some things with him.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he's put it all together down in Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>because Arthur Smith certainly understands how to utilize him in

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<v Speaker 1>a way to create and take advantage of mismatches. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he's a Hall of Fame player,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's definitely a dangerous player to watch. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get into that a little bit more Bucky, because

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<v Speaker 1>he's probably he's gonna set a career high for receiving

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<v Speaker 1>this week. He only needs eleven yards. He's at all

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's at five hundred yards at the halfway point.

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<v Speaker 1>He's never had that good of a season as a receiver.

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Smith gets a lot of credit for being really

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<v Speaker 1>creative the offense that he had in Tennessee. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>that where is he just making it easy for him

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<v Speaker 1>or is it more him developing as a route runner,

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<v Speaker 1>because we just as dynamic as he is as an athlete,

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<v Speaker 1>we just haven't seen this level of production from him

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<v Speaker 1>really ever. I think Arthur Smith is the first coach

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<v Speaker 1>who understood how to tap into all the things that

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<v Speaker 1>could Patterson brought to the table. If you go all

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<v Speaker 1>the way back to when he was a player at Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 1>he played the game in a way that is very

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<v Speaker 1>similar to the way he's been utilized with the Falcons.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a mix of a runner, a receiver, a returner,

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<v Speaker 1>and at the University of Tennessee he was terrific in

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<v Speaker 1>the one season or two seasons that he was there,

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Smith's being able to find a way to take

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<v Speaker 1>all of those skills and to put him in a

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<v Speaker 1>game plan where he doesn't go these long stretches without

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<v Speaker 1>touching the ball. And so when you're able to get

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<v Speaker 1>him matched up on linebackers, advantage goes to Kadero Patterson

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<v Speaker 1>and they're putting in sets and formations where you're forced

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<v Speaker 1>to put a linebacker or a safety on him and

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<v Speaker 1>he's tearing them up. And so it's a combination of

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<v Speaker 1>Kadera Patterson continue to evolve, but really it's about the

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<v Speaker 1>play calling play designer put him in spots where he

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<v Speaker 1>can do the things that he does well. Fucky with

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<v Speaker 1>Trevor Diggs getting a lot of criticism this past week,

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<v Speaker 1>what are some of the things that they can do

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<v Speaker 1>with him against an offense like this to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>get him back on track and on course? Well, I mean, one,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta let him know that he's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a target. As much as he's taking the ball away,

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<v Speaker 1>he's also giving up some plays and so teams are

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<v Speaker 1>going to test them early and often to see if

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<v Speaker 1>they can catch him with his hand in the cookie

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<v Speaker 1>Jarb and so he just has to be disciplined enough

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<v Speaker 1>to know when to pick and choose when to gamble.

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<v Speaker 1>But right now he is a target because he has

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<v Speaker 1>given up so many big plays. And the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>that you do as an offensive coordinator is you try

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<v Speaker 1>and find I don't want to call him walter, but

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<v Speaker 1>you try and find the guy who is gullible enough

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<v Speaker 1>to double move and to get on trick plays. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>Diggs is putting enough stuff on tape that people are

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<v Speaker 1>going at him. He just needs to be solid, solid

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<v Speaker 1>in this technique, soiling his fundamentals, and just play the

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<v Speaker 1>game the right way. You would think in a week

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<v Speaker 1>like this, Treyvon Diggs would be matching up quite a

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<v Speaker 1>bit with Calvin Ridley, but as we know, Calvin Ridley

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<v Speaker 1>is out at this point, he's out taking a break

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<v Speaker 1>from football, as he calls it. How much has the

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<v Speaker 1>loss of Calvin really hurt this offense and who is

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<v Speaker 1>stepping into his role at this point for them? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's certainly hurtson because he's a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>was a Pro Bowl caliber player. He was the number

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<v Speaker 1>one receiver a season ago, and that's when Julio Jones

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<v Speaker 1>was on the field, you lose him. Now you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have to spread the well. Originally, cow piss was

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest beneficiary of Calvin Ridley being gone two weeks

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<v Speaker 1>back to back, he went over a hundred yards. Well

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<v Speaker 1>last week it was a little slore, and so now

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<v Speaker 1>they're kind of doing it by committee. Christian Blake, Russell

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<v Speaker 1>Gage a little bit of anybody and everybody touching the

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<v Speaker 1>ball because Mattie Ice is just throwing it to the

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<v Speaker 1>open receiver. And so the challenge for the Cowboys is

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<v Speaker 1>you don't really know who is going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>guy because matt Ryan has enough trust and his guys

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<v Speaker 1>that he's just throwing it to the open man. That

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<v Speaker 1>makes it very very difficult on the defense. Who are

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<v Speaker 1>the running backs? Um, because last week, you know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's what I'm saying. Last week we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even know who Denver's running backs were. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't like household names. But yeah, they just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ran through the Cowboys defense time and time again. Or

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<v Speaker 1>do they have those type of backs that can that

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<v Speaker 1>can hurt them that way? Well, I mean everybody in

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<v Speaker 1>the league has backs that can can hurt you. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're not focused. I think the Cowboys problem last week

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<v Speaker 1>was more of handling success as opposed to what the

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<v Speaker 1>town on the other side did. This week. You're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Mike Davis, You're talking about Goodell Patterson, Wayne Gallman

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<v Speaker 1>making in. I wouldn't say that any of those guys

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<v Speaker 1>are a level running backs, but they do just enough

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<v Speaker 1>to make them dangerous. Mike Davis is a big, physical back.

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<v Speaker 1>If you let him get going, he's certainly been able

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<v Speaker 1>to put up one hundred right games in this league.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is a game where, if you're Dan Flint,

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<v Speaker 1>you stand in front of the room and say, look,

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<v Speaker 1>it's less about them, It's more about us. Let's make

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<v Speaker 1>sure we're detailed on the gap fits, we're playing with

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<v Speaker 1>the right effort and energy, and let's play the right way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not necessarily about who we're facing on the other side.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about playing the right way. This week seems to

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<v Speaker 1>me like Arthur Smith kind of got famous for leaning

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<v Speaker 1>on twelve personnel when he was with the Titans. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like Hayden Hurst is having this amazing year

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<v Speaker 1>for Atlanta, But is that something that they do do

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<v Speaker 1>they lean on twelve personnel. I see they run it

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<v Speaker 1>like thirty thirty five percent of the time, and is

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<v Speaker 1>especially with Calvin Ridley not playing, is that something that

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<v Speaker 1>we should be looking for from their game plan. We

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<v Speaker 1>know a good thing about Arthur Smiths. He just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of takes the talent that you have and try and

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<v Speaker 1>figure out the best way to use it. The way

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<v Speaker 1>that he played at Tennessee is not quite the same

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<v Speaker 1>way that he is at Atlanta. Maybe it's because the

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback is better, maybe the quarterback does different things. They

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<v Speaker 1>still will mix in some twelve, but they're really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of all over the place in terms of their personnel groupings.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna put players on the field and see what

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<v Speaker 1>gives the defense the biggest challenge, and then they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>sit in there. So early in the game, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>spend the wheel, give you a bunch of different looks,

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<v Speaker 1>and then whatever is looking like it's working the best,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna stay in that package. But Yeah, I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you. We've seen, and we've talked about it

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<v Speaker 1>this season with the Cowboys defense, how they've struggled in

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<v Speaker 1>allowing big plays. I haven't watched a lot of film

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<v Speaker 1>from this team. But is this a team that has

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<v Speaker 1>been putting out despite their losses here and there? Is

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<v Speaker 1>this a team that has been putting out big place

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<v Speaker 1>on tape. Well, last game they had four players of

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<v Speaker 1>thirty yards or more. So if they can doll it up,

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<v Speaker 1>they will doll it up. And they have a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of players that can get it done and can get

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<v Speaker 1>over the top. Mandy Ice likes to play a ball

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<v Speaker 1>control possession game where it's short and intermediate. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>if you give him the lottery ticket, he's gonna cash

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<v Speaker 1>it in. And so for the Cowboys, it literally is

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<v Speaker 1>about being sound in their technique. I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>a great get right week in terms of a maybe

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<v Speaker 1>simplify the package even more, clean up the mistakes, try

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<v Speaker 1>and make it where they're just playing without thinking and

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<v Speaker 1>see if they can get back on track. But no,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't let the ball flower over their head. Because

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta Falcons are sitting in a situation where they

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<v Speaker 1>feel like they may be able to get into the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they're going to bring the effort and energy.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cowboys gotta match it, and they can't let them

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<v Speaker 1>have success early because then you're dealing with a sixty

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<v Speaker 1>minute affair. All right, Buck has good stuff. Man. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>catch back up with you tomorrow. Talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about this Atlanta defense versus the Cowboys office. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take our final break and after that we'll come back.

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<v Speaker 1>at the Start, Nick, give me a fifty eight um.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Shanley, Wow, you pull that one out. Linebacker ended

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 1>up with the Saints. Do you go to Super Bowl

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:44.560
<v Speaker 1>with them? Yeah? I was a good player for them.

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:49.439
<v Speaker 1>He was a good player for them. The Oreo defense. Yeah, okay,

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>that's where are you going with it? No, that's what

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:53.360
<v Speaker 1>they called it. It was because they had Scott Shanley,

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:58.159
<v Speaker 1>Scott Figeta, and another white guy. They all played linebacker

0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 1>and they were the only white guys on the defense.

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<v Speaker 1>Like basically the secondary. Yeah, defensive live I'm not kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>They called it the Oreo defense. We called it that

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<v Speaker 1>for years in New Orleans. Anyway, Sorry, got it, learned something?

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:12.919
<v Speaker 1>I mean. The real answer is a guy named Mike Hegman.

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:16.360
<v Speaker 1>He played like thirteen fourteen seasons. Is he good? Yeah?

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 1>He was a good player. He scored a touchdown in

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl seventies, which eighties they were both thirteen. Okay,

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 1>what happened on the play. He stripped the ball from

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Terry Bradshaw and returned it for maybe forty one yards

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 1>for a touchdown early in that game. But they ended

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 1>up losing thirty five to thirty one in the Orange

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:33.439
<v Speaker 1>Bowl over there because Jackie Smith dropped the past. He

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:35.400
<v Speaker 1>probably was the sickest man in America, and they lost

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:39.639
<v Speaker 1>the brilliance of well I knew that I didn't know

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:42.240
<v Speaker 1>about the well he laid out the whole. Yeah, that's great.

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 1>I love about this guy. That was great. Who else

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:49.680
<v Speaker 1>does it? Verne Quist brad Sham. I'm guessing you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>doing that in math class, but if you were, you

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<v Speaker 1>would have been My god, my grades were so terrible.

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 1>But if they would have had a sports class, you'd

0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 1>have killed it Dallas Cowboys sports like he would have

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<v Speaker 1>killed Nick and I aren't similar. I'm sorry, go ahead,

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying my mom is famously said to me

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:07.879
<v Speaker 1>on a bad report card. You can't just work for

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Dallas Cowboys. That is not a job. You have to

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.640
<v Speaker 1>study and get your books right. And here we all

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 1>are working for all your dreams. Kids. Nick and I

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.879
<v Speaker 1>aren't all that similar, like across the board, but we

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.719
<v Speaker 1>have that. And like I might not know what day

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:25.920
<v Speaker 1>of the week it is, but I can tell you

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:29.359
<v Speaker 1>the score of Super Bowl whatever. And I don't love

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 1>that about myself, but greatness, here we are. We have

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot in common. We'll be watching the same football

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:38.160
<v Speaker 1>game this week, slightly different ruling interests. Let the Pigs

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:43.919
<v Speaker 1>are playing the Tigers on Saturday, Red versus the battle

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 1>for the Golden Boot is what I'll do, should it be.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this is a break. I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 1>to talk trash. This is probably this is the first

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<v Speaker 1>time in a while where Arkansas and LSU are kind

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.200
<v Speaker 1>of like on a level playing field where we both

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<v Speaker 1>think we've got a chance to win the problem with

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:04.159
<v Speaker 1>the t shirt bet okay, because because we'll probably one

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 1>of us is five six because I have to wear Dave.

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I have not cool. The day's gonna walk in here

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<v Speaker 1>like well, like he's wearing his dad's shirt about the

0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Hulk Hogan. You're you're I think this will be awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I got, I got an article, I got, I get

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Danny mccrazy. This is perfect. Let's do that. Actually, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>bring you. I'll bring you Brian's sugar bowl jersey. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>If LSU beats Arkansas, I will wear I will wear Okay,

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>this is a good one. I will wear the broadest jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>This is fifty five. If Arkansas wins. What do I

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 1>have to do? You have don't have to okay, And

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>it's a number nine Jones jersey. You have a John

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Stephen Jones. No, it's a Matt Jones right now. It's

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<v Speaker 1>he does wear nine, right, So yeah, the important the family.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do it. Oh, no, I don't wear that. I

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>was gonna say, no, I'll wear I'll wear anything. Before

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 1>I put a pig snout on my face. That actual

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>would be funny. I'm kind of the same way I

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>do that. All Right, we got a bed here. I

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of face paint whoa, Yeah, let's take

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 1>one more knots the guy whose team got run out

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>of aims. You're right over here, exactly. I got nothing

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 1>else to root it for it right now, but just craziness. Okay,

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, let's do it. I'm in all right, let's up.

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's get back to Dallas defense talk. Um, here's a

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 1>big question for you guys at this point, after what

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 1>we saw in Minnesota. I'll speak for myself. I thought

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 1>this defense was turning the corner from being a byproduct

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 1>of a high scoring offense to being a defense that

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>really could win games for this team. I'm not sure

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>what I think after Denver, where do you land with

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>this defense? After watching both those games? Now, you gotta

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>have help to be a good defense, you gotta have

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>some help. The offense wasn't giving him any help there,

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>so to just keep you know, never scoring, never really

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>putting pressure on the defense to go out like or

0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>to put pressure on the Broncos like, okay, we got

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 1>a score right now. I mean they never really did that.

0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>So it was a difference though, because they did against Minnesota,

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>and you would think Minnesota is a better offense than Denver. Right, No,

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 1>but I mean, my point is that at least even

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<v Speaker 1>in Minnesota, the offense was kind of helping them a

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 1>little bit. They were scoring three points in the first half. Well,

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 1>then they scored one coming out of the second half.

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean like that, that game was completely different. It's

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 1>a different type of game. But at least they got

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 1>some points there. But I don't know, they didn't tackle.

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 1>They just chose not to tackle this game. That's what

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>it was. They just said, we don't need to tackle.

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Definitely agree with that. That is the number. I think

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I'd already talked about this, like they've never they have

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 1>not been great against the run all year, but they

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 1>have got they have rallied to the ball and gotten

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 1>guys down. And you give up a twelve yard play,

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>you live to fight another play, you forced the punt

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 1>on the next series. Like that last week, they just

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 1>they just looked like they forgot how to do some

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>of the basic stuff. I will say sometimes I think

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:03.440
<v Speaker 1>we get into this echo chamber where like it's only

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 1>about what the Cowboys do. I think the Vikings helped

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 1>them a lot in that game, like the way they

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 1>called that game. Kirk Cousins is notorious for being inconsistent.

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>They did some stupid stuff where they and I mean

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.720
<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys get credit too, but like they're the plays

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.280
<v Speaker 1>they're calling, they're not helping themselves. I felt that way

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>in the whole second half, like, man, they kind of

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 1>they forgot these receivers play on this team, Like what's

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 1>going on? So I think that's part of it too,

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't feel a ton different. Like I

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 1>refuse to take the bait that this is an elite defense.

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I argue with Danny McCrae about this, Like every week

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 1>he's like, we're gonna be top ten by the end

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 1>of the year. I'm like, I really don't think that's true, Danny.

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 1>But now still are though, right, I don't know the

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 1>whereas of last week, they're I mean they are much

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 1>They're much closer than I would have ever given them

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>credit for it. They're better than I expect them to be.

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I still just don't think that this defense is ever

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 1>going to be the calling card of this team, especially

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 1>when they're not getting takeaways. But even more so, to

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:03.959
<v Speaker 1>Nick's point, if they're not tackling, I mean, that's if

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I could fix anything, it's that and just in general,

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>like the way that it always felt like every other

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>game there's like two or three, preferably even four hats

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 1>around the ball. Just didn't feel that way on Sunday.

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 1>And that's the big thing for me. Where are you ever?

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely hate this term, well I hate that I'm

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna say it, but to me, they it is what

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 1>it is. It's that whole band, don't break type of defense.

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>To me, that's what they've been. They've improved a whole

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>lot compared to last year, but they haven't been impressive.

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, They've made impressive place, but overall, I just

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 1>take last week's loss as something that Okay, let's just

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 1>live it behind. Let's see what they do this week.

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Why because it wasn't it just like in this area.

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just like oh the secondary, the linebacker. It

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>was like all across the board, all over the field

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 1>offense defense. So yeah, they need to improve the tackling it.

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, and I'm like, okay, this

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>is going down the drain or anything. I just want

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 1>to give them another week see how they react. I

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 1>really do like Dan Quinn a lot, and I think

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 1>that based on what I've heard him say and the

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 1>way he speaks, He's gonna turn it up several notches

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 1>this week in practice and really put them to work.

0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, So I want to really see how they

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 1>come out this week and the kinds of things that

0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 1>dan Quinn does with them, I mean, bringing the fireback.

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 1>As I went back and watched this game, Nick, I

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:37.200
<v Speaker 1>was mentioning this to you this morning, So I went

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>back and watched this game. I know, yesterday I said

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 1>on the show, I don't really think anybody could have

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 1>had a good game after the way they the outcome

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 1>was of this game. But there was one guy that

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 1>stood out when I watched the game back, and I'm

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 1>really really impressed with also Diggi Zuoa had. He didn't

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>just flash like there were plays when he didn't actually

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>make the play, and he still destroyed his guy like

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>he just had at The more I watch him, the

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 1>more I really really like him. My question for you guys,

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 1>is is he the best interior defensive linemen that they

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:12.360
<v Speaker 1>have on this team at this point? M good question

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 1>because you lean toward Neville. Gallimore hasn't played this year,

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>only played eight games last year. I'm still not ready

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:26.759
<v Speaker 1>to say that. Ever, this disruptive No, that's a good point.

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean he's second in the league among rookies and pressures.

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:33.800
<v Speaker 1>That's they couldn't do anything with him the first few series.

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it kind of got away once Denver

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.399
<v Speaker 1>had the lead and you're not rushing the passer as much.

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 1>But second in the league among rookie tackles, rookie, no pressures,

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 1>just pressures any play among rookies. Because mikeuld leads the league.

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 1>So the Cowboys have the top two rookies in the league.

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Two of the top four play for the Cowboys. Yes,

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 1>uh o Way in Baltimore and I can't remember the

0:34:57.160 --> 0:34:59.919
<v Speaker 1>other one right now, but two of the top four. Yeah,

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:03.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean pressure you you know, that's that's a defensive end.

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 1>That's not even a linebacker. So to have a linebacker

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 1>in height. Yeah, he is consistently disruptive all year long.

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 1>He has been, and that's I definitely think he deserves mentioned.

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:17.399
<v Speaker 1>That's that's a really good question because like now I'm

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:19.719
<v Speaker 1>thinking maybe not even Neville, But then you think about

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 1>a guy like Brent Urban, who does not rush the

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 1>passer at all, that's not his thing, but he's fantastic

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 1>against the run. Hasn't been as good this year as

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 1>he was last year, but just different skill sets. Um

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 1>embarrass Fans will tell you he's not playing the position

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>that they they did he played in Chicago like he

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>was more of a defensive end, you know, and that

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 1>you know in a three four scheme defensive end. This

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 1>is a little bit different where he's playing closer to

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 1>the ball. He's been okay, but yeah, not No, he

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:50.359
<v Speaker 1>hasn't three tackles this year. But it's hard to just say, well,

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:52.839
<v Speaker 1>that's just that he hasn't been great. I'm just kind

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:54.800
<v Speaker 1>of thinking it's it's hard for me to say a

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 1>guy who's played eight career games is the best interior

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:00.800
<v Speaker 1>lineman on your team. Well, we say Mike is the

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:05.320
<v Speaker 1>best linebacker, so right, he's he's he's having a little

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 1>different with the position he's I mean, yeah, because one guy,

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:11.839
<v Speaker 1>for because of the nature of the position, is going

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 1>to stand out a lot more than the other. Yeah,

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and then you're rotating a lot more as a defensive

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 1>tackle as well. I think he's having the best season

0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>of any interior linement on this team. That's not even

0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 1>up for debate. I wonder if I mean, I wonder

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.799
<v Speaker 1>if George Edwards, either the veteran coach and coaches the linebackers,

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 1>um wonder what he would say has been the best

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:35.319
<v Speaker 1>linebacker this year? Like, like, is is Layton van ersh

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 1>playing you know good football? Is he's playing better than

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>than Micah. Michael got has more stats and he's doing

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:44.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot more things. But you know, because see, I

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 1>think Mica he's got five sacks. I would guess four

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 1>of the five have been from the linebacker position, can you.

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:56.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know that he rushed a lot, but

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.839
<v Speaker 1>I only think that one sack against the Chargers where

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>he just exploded. And even that one, I still don't

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 1>even think that was a real sack, but they gave

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 1>it to him. But that's the only one I can remember,

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I can be it's the one that stands out to me.

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 1>You're saying, we're literally he's just lining up at defensive

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 1>end and he's just rushing and gets a sack. I

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>think most of his sacks have been from this, like

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, different spots on him wherever you line him up, wherever. Right. Yeah,

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to say maybe I agree with you. I

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.320
<v Speaker 1>want to say maybe he did it against Philly, but

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 1>for the most part, it's been pursued plays as a lineback.

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 1>I think Layton's playing pretty well, but not not No,

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:33.320
<v Speaker 1>it was all pros a rookie. Yeah, he came in.

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>He was howling at the moon every single play. You now,

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:41.719
<v Speaker 1>how about them cowboys? He doesn't. He doesn't look as

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 1>explosive as he used to. To me, lay there was

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:48.719
<v Speaker 1>a play he made the play, So I'm not trying

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:50.320
<v Speaker 1>to trash talking, but there was a play out in

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the flat this past week where he knifed out into

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 1>the flat. Guy had the ball and the back or

0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the receiver cut it back in and Layton kind of

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 1>dove back. It looked like it was going to be

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>a broken arm tackle, but he did enough to trip

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 1>him up and so he made the tackle. But in

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.399
<v Speaker 1>my head, I was like, two or three years ago,

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 1>he would have just knifed in and destroyed that guy.

0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:12.319
<v Speaker 1>He would have. It wouldn't have even been a doubt

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:14.320
<v Speaker 1>that he was going to get him down, And it

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 1>felt lucky that he pulled it off in this particular instance.

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 1>He's happy he's playing through the season without an injury.

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was about to say. Do you think

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 1>he's playing slower? Than usual, or maybe not not not slower,

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:27.879
<v Speaker 1>but like you know, not as quick to the ball

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.800
<v Speaker 1>because he has been injured or because he has been healthy.

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:36.960
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, if you're healthy, you're kind of honestly,

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:40.399
<v Speaker 1>maybe you don't want to play as recklessly because you're

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:42.319
<v Speaker 1>trying to preserve yourself. I don't know if it's either

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:46.360
<v Speaker 1>one track year for him. Layton doesn't. He doesn't strike

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:48.880
<v Speaker 1>me as that kind of guy though, Like he's so intense.

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:50.800
<v Speaker 1>If he heard that, he would probably come in he

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>would be pissed. Yeah, he has pissed it every time

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I ask a question. Every time I ask him a question, question,

0:38:58.120 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 1>it might be. It might be and I and I

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 1>of you a lot of guys, especially after the game.

0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 1>For some reason, I don't know what it is. Layton

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 1>is not happy with any of the questions I ask.

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it could be I think even it's I just

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.480
<v Speaker 1>think that's his demeanor. And you think, you think about

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 1>where his career is gone, Like he got about as

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>high as you can and that's We talked a lot

0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 1>about his conversation with Micah at the Hall of Fame

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 1>game that Hard Knocks picked up. He was I think

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 1>he was kind of chuckling at Mica. He was like, Buddy,

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:28.879
<v Speaker 1>I've been there where you're the talk of the town

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:32.319
<v Speaker 1>right away, and you just just be prepared. And Mica

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.719
<v Speaker 1>hasn't had that downturn yet, maybe he never will, but

0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 1>the ebbs and flows of playing in this league come,

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 1>and I just think Layton realizes that. And I I

0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 1>doubt he's unhappy with your questions so much as like

0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 1>he does not like the media. No, he doesn't like us.

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that happens. I think as you go to

0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 1>that top and then you just get just kind of

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>destroyed after that, I think it hardens guys. Yeah. It's

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons why yesterday we ran into into

0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Sean Lee in the hall talking to him, and it's

0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:59.279
<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons why I like Sean so much

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 1>is because he would have gotten very hardened because obviously

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:04.839
<v Speaker 1>there was always to talk, Oh, he's injury prone, he's

0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 1>injury problem. Sean was just like, look, yeah, I've had injuries,

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know, like I'm trying not to, but

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 1>I've got Even when Sean was in the thick of it,

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 1>he was never like a jerk, but you had your

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:19.400
<v Speaker 1>own back and forth with him in that regard. Like

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 1>we always used to joke, Sean only wanted to talk

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:24.960
<v Speaker 1>on Friday and only after he was done with everything

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 1>he had to do, so he'd come in like thirty

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:30.320
<v Speaker 1>seconds before the locker room closed and oh shucks, guys,

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I just missed you for that. By the way, that

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:35.840
<v Speaker 1>is just kind of like I'm gonna game them the

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.800
<v Speaker 1>way they gave me. But he wasn't a butthole about it.

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 1>He was he was still like he would still have

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the conversation with especially feels off the record and he

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 1>caught him. You could have a conversation in his final

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 1>speed in his final like you know, when he made

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 1>his quote at the end of the season or when

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 1>he retired. You know, he gave his statement. I mean

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:56.320
<v Speaker 1>even had some jokes in there. He was just like

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 1>and of course the training staff. I mean, I, you know,

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 1>my best friends because I was there all the time. Yeah,

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he could have gotten he could have been

0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 1>one of those guys that was really really mad with

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:07.879
<v Speaker 1>the media, and I don't think that was the case.

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:11.560
<v Speaker 1>And I can tell while he's here. Sure, I don't know.

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:16.319
<v Speaker 1>I assume just to visit this some people, I guess

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I guess that's a good question. He

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:24.279
<v Speaker 1>came to see the Broncos game former former players just

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:26.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of in the building. Man, he was on he

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 1>was on the show the other day, was on one

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 1>of those other shows. Yeah, was that hanging not Players Players.

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 1>He's good friends with Barry Church. Well, we did kind

0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:37.400
<v Speaker 1>of mention that, like, man, uh, you know, you go

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 1>do that show and don't come to our show. Amber

0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 1>would really like you to come do this show. He's like, yo,

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 1>if I see him, I'm definitely asking for a photo.

0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:48.799
<v Speaker 1>I never done this. Back back to Layton real quick.

0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:51.320
<v Speaker 1>I laughed because Layton was with us this week. He

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:54.400
<v Speaker 1>came out and talked away from you, and like in

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:56.799
<v Speaker 1>the more group setting, we're not gonna go as far

0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.319
<v Speaker 1>as he was. He's still he's always gonna be kind

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 1>of gruffing and tense, but like he was very thoughtful

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.239
<v Speaker 1>and to be that way, if you're gonna like hunt

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:08.960
<v Speaker 1>a wolf, true, you're right, that's a good point, but like, okay,

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>he was almost like necessary. He was as eager to

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:14.319
<v Speaker 1>talk as I've ever seen him, which isn't to say

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:16.160
<v Speaker 1>that he was eating. But and then you know, he

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.840
<v Speaker 1>gave a lot of quotes about I think we needed this,

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:20.719
<v Speaker 1>I think this can be good in the long run,

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:25.560
<v Speaker 1>and I was. I was kind of surprised because when

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 1>I heard he was on our list. You do this

0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:29.759
<v Speaker 1>stuff mentally where you're like, oh boy, here we go

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Layton vander esh after a loss, this will be fun.

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 1>But I was pleasantly surprised by how engaging he was.

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I do that when I when I get the list

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 1>of who I'm going to talk to, and it's like

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 1>it was like Lyle Collins, Terrence Steele, and then it

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 1>was literally when I got the list, it was like

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:46.320
<v Speaker 1>holding seventy eight, holding seventy one. I was like, this

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>is awesome. Great, they're going to be in a great

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 1>mood going back to Land. When you mentioned his name

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.279
<v Speaker 1>and asked the question, immediately in my head, before you

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:58.440
<v Speaker 1>even made that point, I thought, well, you know, I'm

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:00.719
<v Speaker 1>just glad he's playing, Like I'm glad he's out on

0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 1>the field. But then I call myself like, no, screw that, No,

0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:08.439
<v Speaker 1>this is a young guy. He barely how many years

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 1>three has it been? This is fourth year already, but

0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:16.319
<v Speaker 1>he's still fairly young. We have not really squeezed them

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 1>out you know, we have not gotten enough juice from him.

0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, no, no, he should be playing at

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 1>a higher level than what he has been giving you

0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:28.479
<v Speaker 1>this year. To me, he tends to become a little

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.759
<v Speaker 1>forgettable this year when I watched the Cowboys play as

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 1>opposed to previous year, where you even I mean he's

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 1>been hurt here and there, but even with that injuries,

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and then when he comes back, you know, oh there's Layton.

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:43.319
<v Speaker 1>You see him, and I don't know if maybe that's

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:48.879
<v Speaker 1>the contract contrast against a guy like Jalen playing with him,

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 1>that maybe he stood out more. But I don't think so.

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 1>I think that that he's just not playing at the

0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:57.319
<v Speaker 1>same level. Actually, I actually think lay Nissalid this year.

0:43:57.400 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't think Layton has been a bad player this year.

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I think I don't think it's obviously the year he

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:04.360
<v Speaker 1>was an All Pro. Yeah, but I think he's been solid.

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:06.239
<v Speaker 1>I think he's been solid on this team. I think

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 1>he fills the role for them, he plays the role nicely.

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I think he's the second best linebacker on this team.

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:14.400
<v Speaker 1>And I think, you know, maybe that's not what you

0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:16.319
<v Speaker 1>want in your contract year. Maybe you want a little

0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:18.839
<v Speaker 1>bit more a few more splash plays, but I think

0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 1>he's been solid, and that actually may end up working

0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:24.239
<v Speaker 1>for the Cowboys because if they want to keep him,

0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they do. If they want to

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.759
<v Speaker 1>keep him, it may make it make it very financially

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 1>feasible to keep him if he's just a solid linebacker.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think about all of the other decisions they

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<v Speaker 1>have to make, and that one is further down the

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<v Speaker 1>list than a few of them. True though, because if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't sign him, then who's playing linebacker for you

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<v Speaker 1>next year? That's it's low key devastating. Might be an exaggeration,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's low key a big deal that your brial

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<v Speaker 1>Cox got hurt because in a perfect world, you groom

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<v Speaker 1>him as the season goes along, and Layton vander Esh

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<v Speaker 1>gets paid too much and you say, all right, like

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<v Speaker 1>we'll sign somebody or draft somebody. But the ideas that

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<v Speaker 1>you and Mica can be are nickel linebackers moving forward

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<v Speaker 1>like that is the hope, and it still could be.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a roadblock for him that it's gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to come after a rehab. Keano Neil thing hasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>developed like you thought, and so I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't sign him um in March, then you

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<v Speaker 1>get into the draft and you're you're thinking, probably have

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<v Speaker 1>to here here we go again. You probably could draft

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<v Speaker 1>another linebacker pretty high. Well, I think this too. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that what are they gonna do with jay Ron Curse?

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<v Speaker 1>Because that also affects in a little bit. He's been

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<v Speaker 1>down there a lot in the box. There's just a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of questions in regard to Yeah, but there there's

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<v Speaker 1>just a lot of questions with regards to what they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing linebacker and some of those big that that big

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<v Speaker 1>safety and that all they all play together. It all

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<v Speaker 1>will be a part of the calculations, accordinator back. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the question you have to ask, too, big part

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<v Speaker 1>of the decision. All Right, we appreciate you guys, join us.

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