1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: From Fudromedia and PRX. It's Latin USA. I'm Marie no 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: Posa Today a look at how the coronavirus pandemic has 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: impacted and continues to impact Latinos and Latinas in this 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: country and whether this will have any influence on the 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two midterm elections. Welcome to Latino USA. I'm 6 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: Maria Nohosa. 7 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: According to the CDC, Latinos are dying at a disproportionately 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: high rate from COVID nineteen. What we're seeing really is 9 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: historic decimation among the Hispanic community by this virus, and 10 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: so for many. 11 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 3: The combination of a language barrier and what critics say 12 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: is a lack of forthcoming information is contributing to the 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: spiraling health crisis. 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 4: Latinos are at the center of. 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 5: It all when the crosshairs of the coronavirus. 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: For over two years now, we've been in the midst 17 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: of the coronavirus pandemic, which has completely devastated our communities. 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: In the United States, there have been over eighty eight 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: million cases of COVID and over one million people have 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: died from COVID nineteen. According to the Centers for Disease Control, 21 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: and prevention. That's one of the highest death rates in 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: the world. Latinos and Latinas make up nearly twenty five 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: percent of all COVID nineteen cases in the United States 24 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: and over seventeen percent of the deaths. But this number 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: is even higher when the data is adjusted by age. 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: It's around thirty three percent of deaths for Latinos and 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: Latinas under the age of sixty five. The grief and 28 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: the loss have been immeasurable. 29 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 6: You know, it with this perfect storm really of highlighting 30 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 6: the really frank disparities that we see when we think 31 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 6: about who is at risk and what does that mean? 32 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 6: And it started to become an issue of individual convenience, right, 33 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 6: people who wanted the world to feel as close to 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 6: normal as possible at the expense of people who had 35 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 6: the least and had the least ability to navigate through 36 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 6: that safely. You know, we're talking about generations that have 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 6: been wiped. 38 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 7: Out by this. 39 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: That's epidemiologist Stephanie Silvera, a professor in the Department of 40 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: Public Health at Montclair State University. COVID has not just 41 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: been catastrophic for mental health, it's also left lasting impacts 42 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: on our actual healthcare system, on education, on the economy, 43 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: on immigration. 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 4: Title forty two. 45 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 8: It was invoked under former President Trump when the pandemic began, 46 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 8: and in just the last two years, it's allowed authorities 47 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 8: to expel migrants, including asylum seekers, more than one point 48 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 8: seven million times, all in the name of public health, 49 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 8: basically to stop the spread of COVID. 50 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: Now, as we move closer to the twenty twenty two midterms, 51 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: we're taking a look into how COVID nineteen has particularly 52 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: impacted Latinos and Latinas in this country, and how or 53 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: if concerns exacerbated by the pandemic will end up mobilizing voters. 54 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: For this following roundtable discussion that continues our twenty twenty 55 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: two election cycle coverage at Latino USA, I'm joined by 56 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: my In the Thick political podcast co host Julio Ricardorella. 57 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: We're also joined by guests Carlos Audio, co founder of 58 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: Aki's Labs, which leads polling and research on Latino and 59 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Latina voters across the United States, and we're also joined 60 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: by award winning journalists Tanzina Vega. Hey everyone, welcome to 61 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: Latino USA. 62 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. 63 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 7: Thanks so much for having me. I'm really excited to 64 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 7: be here. 65 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 9: Always great to be here, Madia, thank you. 66 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: So we do know that the pandemic had devastating impacts 67 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: on the most vulnerable, and that it highlighted these incredible 68 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: inequities for black Latino indigenous communities in this country which 69 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: we have seen. And since the start of the pandemic 70 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: in early twenty twenty, you know, we've heard about how 71 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: Latinos were disproportionately facing higher rates of infections and of deaths. Now, 72 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: according to the CDCs, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, 73 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: the risk of death for Latinos is one point eight 74 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: times higher than for white folks, and that the risk 75 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: of hospitalization is two point two times higher when age 76 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: is adjusted. So we can't have a conversation about the 77 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: continuing impacts of this pandemic without first acknowledging, you know, 78 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: the biggest issue, which is that Latinos have faced, probably 79 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: all of us on this call right, immense loss and 80 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: grief and personal changes. So, Tanzina, you know your take 81 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: on kind of how do we even begin to grapple 82 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: with the enormity of it? And yet you know, those 83 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: of us who follow you, you're also like, Okay, here's 84 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: another day in my life as a mom trying to 85 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: get it together. In the pandemic, there's like a dailiness 86 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: of it too, right. 87 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 7: The pandemic baby. Yeah, I mean, I always say I 88 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 7: stepped through a portal in twenty twenty and it included 89 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 7: a pandemic and a baby at the same time. Don't 90 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 7: recommend the pandemic, but the baby is it. He's two now, 91 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 7: but yeah, I mean, you know, reflecting back, I look 92 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 7: at him and he is pretty much the exact age 93 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 7: of the pandemic when it hit the States, and when 94 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 7: he was six weeks old, we were in lockdown, and 95 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 7: so you know, you just imagine the amount of death 96 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 7: that we've seen. This was something that we covered on 97 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 7: the show that I was working on at the peak 98 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 7: of the pandemic, because, as you mentioned, Maddi d the 99 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 7: data was just so stunning and part of the reason, 100 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 7: as we know, at least here in New York, a 101 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 7: big reason for that is because Latinos and other people 102 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 7: of color, working class and recently arrived immigrants in particular, 103 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 7: are part of the social network that keeps this city moving. 104 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 7: They are the essential workers, They are the the li 105 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 7: Veristas like they've now called themselves in New York. The 106 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 7: delivery folks who were bringing us food, you know, literally 107 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 7: risking their lives just to do jobs that are paying 108 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 7: you know, less than minimum wage. If that Latinos also were, 109 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 7: you know, the farm workers who were still out there, 110 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 7: the babysitters, you know, that's who I'm thinking about, you know, 111 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 7: how folks could not have the luxury to work at 112 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 7: home as challenging as my setup was, you know, with 113 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 7: a newborn on one side of the closet and me 114 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 7: inside recording a show, I was still home. And that 115 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 7: is in many ways, it's a privilege a lot of 116 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 7: the folks who had to you know, especially before we 117 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 7: had a vaccine and even before masks, you know, were 118 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 7: a thing. These folks were out there risking their lives. 119 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 7: And so for all of those reasons, it really hits 120 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 7: home just how much we've been through. And I'd also 121 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 7: like to add to the conversation the mental health aspect. 122 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 7: We know Latinos and latin As, young Latinas in particular, 123 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 7: have struggled with their mental health. We know that the 124 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 7: pandemic has had severe effects on young people in particular, 125 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 7: but let's be real. You know, all of us have 126 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 7: been affected by this. 127 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: So God Loos, I want to know, like, let's bring 128 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: it to some of the things that your research showed. 129 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: For example, and this is actually going to go into 130 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: less the kind of emotional toll, but the economic toll, 131 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: because your research from the twenty twenty elections show that, 132 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: in fact, a top issue for Latino voters in twenty 133 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: twenty during the pandemic was the economy. So twenty twenty 134 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: two pandemic around now for two years, many Latinos and 135 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: latin As, many invisible victims. If you will, do you 136 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: think that the economy is going to be still the 137 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: central point in twenty twenty two in the midterms. 138 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 4: That's a great question. 139 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: And the reality is, in many ways the twenty twenty 140 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: election moment really hasn't ended. A lot of the same 141 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: dynamics are still present, some are worse. Actually, like you said, 142 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: we did see that the economy was the top issue, 143 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: was a driver, and it's like a mini if you 144 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: look at the Latino Decisions election leave poll, the top 145 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: issue was COVID followed by the economy. But we saw 146 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: on the research was even when we talk about COVID 147 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: there's the health dimension and there's the economic dimension. Tanzina 148 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: talked about our people being especially vulnerable. It is on 149 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: both fronts that we were especially vulnerable because you think 150 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: of Las Vegas and its dependence on the tourism industry, 151 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: and you see what a devastating toll it had on 152 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: employment in March April May of twenty twenty, when Las 153 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: Vegas had record unemployment, and how that might shape decision 154 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: making a little bit differently in fact, in Nevada, what 155 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: we found is, and we heard it in focus groups 156 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 2: and in interviews, the extent to which people who hadn't 157 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: lost their job would say, I haven't lost my job, 158 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to rock the vote. I'm worried about 159 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: a drastic change in this moment that will lead to 160 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: more shutdowns and lead to the loss of my job. 161 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: And we found Latinos had a very different experience. It's 162 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: based on where they were. We did a focus group. 163 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: They were all remote. Of course, they had been all 164 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: remote for the last two and a half years. We 165 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: did open ended question through a text poll. This is 166 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: in May of twenty twenty, what about the pandemic is 167 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: worrying you the most? And in Nevada, it was the economy. 168 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: In Michigan it was we did a word cloud. The 169 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: word that jumped out was death. Totally different experiences, right, 170 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: And then you think of Miami, where there was this 171 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: pride over never shutting down. Still to this day people 172 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: are proud that they never felt like they cowered in fear. 173 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: And so today Biden's best numbers among Latino voters in 174 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: our polling are on the health dimension of COVID. On 175 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: economic measures, including the economic dimension of COVID, the numbers 176 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: are worse. 177 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 5: But they were strong for Trump. 178 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: So it's somewhat complicated, right, as many of these things are. 179 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 2: We always have to give the caveat, which is if 180 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 2: three ten Latino voters voted for Trump in twenty sixteen, 181 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 2: the number was closer to four and ten and twenty twenty, 182 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: So we are talking about what amounts to a large 183 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: movement among a small subset Democrats and Biden still one 184 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: majority Latino vote. But there was this ship and you 185 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: can look at the fact that there was in twenty 186 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: twenty high support among Latinos for Trump on COVID policy specifically, 187 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: some of those are still Biden policies, like the stimulus 188 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: was incredibly popular. The vaccines were actually very popular, but 189 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 2: reopening the economy was also popular. Around sixty percent of 190 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: even liberal Hispanics supported reopening. Even fifty percent of liberals 191 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: agreed we needed to quote live life without fear of COVID, right, 192 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: And so you know, we find ourselves needing to wrestle 193 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: a little bit with that disconnect where people's material needs, 194 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: their kind of cultural attachment to work goes up against 195 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: trust and media and public health concerns and needs in 196 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: the fact that folks around them were literally dying and 197 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 2: they were worried about how they're going to provide for 198 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: the living members of their family through work. 199 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 4: Right. 200 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 10: And the thing is that, you know, we both bring 201 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 10: up economic impacts in the last couple of years, and 202 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 10: we want to cite a study from the College of 203 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 10: Public Health at the University of South Florida in late 204 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 10: April that showed that the majority of COVID nineteen deaths 205 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 10: in twenty twenty were low wage workers, you know essential 206 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 10: in quotes in labor and service jobs. 207 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 9: So you know, that really was clear, right. 208 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 10: It also showed how death rates for COVID were higher 209 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 10: for low income Latino men. 210 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 9: Right. So when you mentioned the l uristas. 211 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 10: I mean they were out there, and the data shows 212 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 10: that that specific sector had higher death rates due to COVID, right, 213 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 10: and I don't think a lot of people registered that 214 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 10: right now. 215 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: That's and that's deep because seriously, you know, when New 216 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: York City shut down, the only thing that you would 217 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: hear were the sirens, and then you'd hear like an 218 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: electric bite, right, you know of the li bista and 219 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: they were out there in the cold. 220 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, it's the only thing that kept the 221 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 5: US city. 222 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 9: Going, right. 223 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 10: And so we know that these low wage jobs often 224 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 10: means working through, right, a pandemic with little or no benefits. 225 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 9: You have to you know, paid sickly. What are you 226 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 9: talking about health insurance? What is that? 227 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 10: Like, I gotta make money, I have to do this 228 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 10: type of work and risk my life. 229 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 4: Right. 230 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 10: But it's interesting the majority of COVID deaths for Latinos 231 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 10: and Latinos were under the age of sixty five. So 232 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 10: you think about you know, when people talk about COVID 233 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 10: deaths in America in the United States, they're like, oh, 234 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 10: you know, it's impacting older Americans. But the fact was 235 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 10: that it was impacting Latinos and Latinos under sixty five, 236 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 10: which meant many young children were losing their parents or 237 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 10: their caregivers. Right. So, epidemiologist Stephanie Siluera, who's a professor 238 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 10: at Montclair State University, broke down the economic toll of 239 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 10: COVID on Latino families. 240 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 9: This is what she told producer nor Saudi. 241 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 6: Let's take a listen when we think about the impact, 242 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 6: especially again through twenty twenty, of having people who are 243 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 6: under sixty five, people who are in their forties and 244 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 6: fifties who were dying, that had a huge impact on 245 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 6: the family economy. Right, There's all this conversation about we 246 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 6: have to get the economy moving, we have to get 247 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 6: the economy moving. But when you take an adult out 248 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 6: of the workforce, and you know, we can discuss the 249 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 6: trauma that that has on those families and the children 250 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 6: that have lost a parent, but that has a huge 251 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 6: impact also on that family's ability to survive beyond the pandemic. 252 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 6: And so, you know, we tend to forget when we discuss, oh, 253 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 6: it's the economy and we have to get the economy going, 254 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 6: that we have to make sure that we're making all 255 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 6: of this work. The pandemic and the economy for everyone, 256 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 6: and that we're not building it for some on the 257 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 6: backs of others. 258 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 10: Right, And you know, and this is the question because 259 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 10: we are framing this conversation as part of our mid 260 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 10: terms coverage, right, And I don't want to simplify. I 261 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 10: don't want to get into this question, Carlos of like, 262 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 10: let me simplify it. 263 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 9: Let's put on our political analyst hat and look at this. 264 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 10: But seeing devastations, seeing people being impacted, like lives have changed, 265 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 10: and it's very hard to quantify that. What does this 266 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 10: mean from like the political sense of it all, Like 267 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 10: with the community, is there even this sort of belief 268 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 10: in politicians solving things? You know in the midterms? Right, 269 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 10: I know this is something that you spend a lot 270 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 10: of work on. But how do you begin to connect 271 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 10: those two dots? If can you? 272 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: What I would say is you have where people are 273 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: at now now in focus groups, I'd say, over the 274 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: last few months, for the first time I've heard of 275 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: people start talking about COVID in the past tense as 276 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: opposed to when they were living in the middle of it, 277 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: and there was a certain. 278 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 4: Kind of malaise. 279 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: And I'd say, what people are mostly desperate for right 280 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: now is a way back to normalcy, and are wrestling 281 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: with the fact that normalcy might not be on the table. 282 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 4: You know. After by the day, we had some focus. 283 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: Groups in Georgia, and the mood shifted from what had 284 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: been kind of like a sense of just anxiousness to 285 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: what I would call outright hopelessness. 286 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: Among Latinos and Latinas specifically. Specifically, that stands out because 287 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, Carlos, like a lot of the 288 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: polling consistently shows Latinos and Latinas as having like hope 289 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: the American dream still exists. 290 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 9: That's a big shift. 291 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 5: This is actually a very big shift. 292 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 7: I think to me, you know, personally, Uvalde was a 293 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 7: shift I hope as we learn more and more details 294 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 7: about what happened. You know, I think it's very hard 295 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 7: for Latinos to look away and say, you know, why 296 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 7: didn't they take care of our kids, because those were 297 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 7: Latinos in that school. 298 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 9: That's right. 299 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 7: The first thing I thought of after Uvalde was Sandy 300 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 7: Hook and then El Paso, right when I was talking 301 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 7: about that mass shooting targeting our community. So I think, 302 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 7: you know, remember President Trump started his campaign, if we 303 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 7: can even think back to twenty fifteen saying how Mexicans, 304 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 7: you know, who were coming up across the border are 305 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 7: all these horrible things. And I think Latino's across the board. 306 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 7: We've had Puerto Rico to deal with. We've had family 307 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 7: separated at the border, hundreds of kids who don't have 308 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 7: any idea where their parents are. I mean, and I 309 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 7: think there's a cumulative trauma that you know, sort of 310 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 7: builds on. 311 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: Itself, cumulative trauma for Latinos and Latinas in the United States. 312 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 10: Yeah, and it builds and it builds, and Carlos, I mean, 313 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 10: so that's your sense. You're seeing that dramatic shift now, 314 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 10: you know, as we're moving into the midterms, that's happening. 315 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 9: That's very tangible for you, right, Yeah, of. 316 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: Course, And you know, to this point, like anger is mobilizing, 317 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: fear is demobilizing, and then the anxiety and the sense 318 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: that we have all these problems that aren't being solved. 319 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: And immigration is a great example because it was actually 320 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: for a very long time the differentiator between the parties 321 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: and right now is a little bit off the table 322 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: because neither party really wants to deal with it. They 323 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 2: just want to one side wants to make it political 324 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: theater and the other side would rather it didn't exist 325 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: as an issue at all in this moment. And what 326 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: it means is that actually Biden's worst numbers among Latino 327 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: are on immigration, because it's just across the board. But 328 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: to the question on the midterms, you know, Republicans would 329 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: like to make this election about the economy exclusively because 330 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: the perception among Latino voters, like many, is that Republicans 331 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 2: their brand is ruthlessness, but that if that ruthlessness brings 332 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: down inflation great among Democrats, what keeps a majority of 333 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: Latinos with Democrats is the sense that Democrats care more. 334 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 4: But the question for. 335 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: Republicans is can they add a little bit of caring 336 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 2: to the ruthlessness? And for Democrats, can they not just 337 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: care but deliver? And that's where COVID comes into the conversation, 338 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: right on both sides, and that's where it becomes a factor. 339 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 2: Is it a way to show that kind of care 340 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: and delivering in this moment? 341 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,239 Speaker 1: Coming up on Latino USA, a closer look at the 342 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: concerns of Latino and Latina voters over the past two years. 343 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: In the COVID nineteen pandemic and the organizing that's being 344 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: done to mobilize these voters ahead of the midterms. Stay 345 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: with us, not the y Yes, Hey, we're back. Let's 346 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: jump back into our conversation about the impact COVID nineteen 347 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: will have on Latino and Latina voters in this country 348 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: with my in the Thick co host j Carlos Audio 349 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: of ECHI Slabs and journalist Tanzina Vega. So, COVID n 350 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: team changed everything about the twenty twenty presidential election, right 351 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: from how folks campaigned to how voter outreach was done 352 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: to how we voted. It was similar in twenty twenty one, 353 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: but along with campaign centered on mask and vaccine mandates, 354 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: we also saw other contentious issues being pushed by many conservatives, 355 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: like banning books what they view as critical race theory 356 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: in schools, and it's what Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin campaigned 357 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: on in Virginia. And so when we look ahead to 358 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: the midterms where Democrats are at risk of losing, it's 359 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: just like it's yours to lose, and you are at 360 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: risk of losing your slim majority in Congress, and all 361 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: of these issues are still being highlighted. So now we 362 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: have to add abortion rights to this. Following the overturn 363 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: of Roe v. 364 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 4: Wade. 365 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: We're seeing all of these legal battles over state laws, 366 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: and nine states so far have passed some kind of 367 00:19:53,840 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: abortion ban, including Oklahoma, Mississippi, and Florida, with more set 368 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: to pass restrictions in the coming. 369 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 5: Days and weeks. 370 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: And the growing conversation now around gun reform right because 371 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: of the mass shootings. 372 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 5: So this is a lot. As you said, Tanzina, it's 373 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 5: just like what this country has been going through. 374 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: So my question to you is do you think that 375 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: all of this, the debates about the COVID mandates, gun rights, abortion, 376 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: that they're going to impact the midterms? Will Latinos and 377 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: Latinas turn out or are you thinking as god Ros 378 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: is saying, you know, it might just be the fear 379 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: and hopelessness that's taken over. 380 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 7: I remember being sent to Florida a few years ago 381 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 7: when President Trump was still not considered a front runner 382 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 7: in the campaign to kind of get the pulse of 383 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 7: Latinos quote unquote Latinos right in Florida, and really it 384 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 7: ended up being because of the political shifts. There are 385 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 7: a lot of Puerto Ricans who had migrated to Orlando, 386 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 7: you know, after the back then it was the financial crisis, 387 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 7: and the thing that kept coming up for me and 388 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 7: for the folks there was whether they would vote at all. 389 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 7: And I think turnout among most people in the midterms 390 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 7: that are going out to vote, you're probably going to 391 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 7: see the people who are most you know, engaged and 392 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 7: most interested in Then I just wonder if Latinos and 393 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 7: again I kind of hate using that word. I'm glad, 394 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 7: Maria earlier you called it. I think it was a 395 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 7: contingent as opposed to a block cohort cohort. So you 396 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 7: know when I say that, I just want to say, 397 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 7: you know, sort of break it down. But which is 398 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 7: another thing? Right, like there are you know, Puerto Ricans 399 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 7: and stateside are probably going to think about this in 400 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 7: one way versus you know, recent immigrants versus you know, 401 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 7: other groups of Latinos. Why Latinos versus Afro Latinos, et cetera. 402 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 7: So I don't I think it's all going to really 403 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 7: hinge on who is turning out. And I'm curious, Cardless 404 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 7: if you think, based on the data that you think 405 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 7: more conservatives Latinos might turn out for the midterms. 406 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: Right, will conservative voters be like a really like this 407 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: is the moment because they are having I mean v 408 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: Wade being overturned is huge in our country. So okay, 409 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: can you answer that brilliant question from the journalist tense? 410 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 10: You know. 411 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 4: Where to start? 412 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: Well, I will say this because I think it's always 413 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 2: a helpful reminder. And yes, Latinos not a monolith. Still 414 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 2: a group, but not a monolith. Right, we still have 415 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 2: more in common than not, but there are so many 416 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: different subgroups, that's at all. 417 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 4: Latinos grew their. 418 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: Share of the electorate more than any other group in 419 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty election. It was more Latino the electorate 420 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: than ever before, and yet only fifty percent of eligib 421 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: Latinos voted, which is a rate lower than non Latino 422 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: Black or non Latino API. So you asked about who's 423 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 2: going to turn out in twenty twenty two, it's fundamentally 424 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: different electorates. 425 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 4: In every election. 426 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: We try to imagine it's the same ten people and 427 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 2: then a few of them changed their vote from one 428 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: year to the next. When reality with Latinos, big chunks 429 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 2: are brand new people and the people who sat out 430 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 2: the last one end up being pretty influential too, and 431 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: so I do think right now conservatives. 432 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 4: Are more motivated to vote. That's what they're telling us. 433 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: That said, a lot of the Trump gains in twenty 434 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: twenty two were among a less likely voter person who's 435 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: generally on the sidelines and much like a certain kind 436 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: of non college white voter. Trump kind of brought out 437 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: some of these more marginal Latino voters. 438 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 4: And the question do they come out again? 439 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: We don't know. Does something like Roe v. Wade become 440 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: a motivator among some groups? 441 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 4: You know. 442 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 2: Why they were using something like CRT is because being 443 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 2: extreme was hindering progress among Republicans with Latino voters and 444 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: other groups, and so they were trying to find a 445 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: way to say, well, democrats are extreme too, that's what 446 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: the whole socialism thing is, to try to cancel it out. 447 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 2: I think they're scared a little bit of the abortion 448 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: fight because it again makes them look like these extreme 449 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 2: ones who are trying to take away rights. So the 450 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 2: honest answer is nobody knows. So there's a lot of 451 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: certainty in the few months to come. 452 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 5: Thank you for your honesty, Cardlos, We appreciate that. 453 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 10: But listen to Obviously we don't have to explain amongst 454 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 10: the four of us the complexity of our community when 455 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 10: it comes to the electorate, but it's always good to 456 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 10: remind people. 457 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 9: And both Tenzina and Carlos have issued. 458 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 10: The disclaimers about, you know, the quote unquote Latino vote. 459 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 10: And I think you mentioned a little bit, Carlos about 460 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 10: the new voters right, because there's still a lot of 461 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 10: opportunity out there, the eligible voters who don't vote for 462 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 10: anyone that's trying to get people to vote, that's an opportunity. 463 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 10: So there's a lot of pressure on the ground. Local 464 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 10: organizing playing a huge part in mobilizing turnout right, and 465 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 10: during the pandemic, of course, organizing also how to change 466 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 10: and restrategize. A lot of Latino and Latino led organizations 467 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 10: have talked about it the challenges and one organization locations 468 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 10: across the Mid Atlantic known as CASA. They advocate and 469 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 10: provide services for immigrant working class families. The pandemic meant 470 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 10: vaccine outreach right and campaigns to counter COVID disinformation. Those 471 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 10: were the things that became the priority. It wasn't like, 472 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 10: let's get out the vote. So Michelle LaRue who's the 473 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 10: Health and Human Services director at CASA, spoke with producer 474 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 10: Sarah Hershander about the importance of making COVID services accessible 475 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 10: for Latino communities. 476 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 9: Let's take a listen. 477 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 3: Oftentimes, when we're trying to do things in a practical 478 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 3: logistical manner, we end up inevitably putting up barriers for 479 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 3: certain community members. So, for instance, there was a mass 480 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 3: vaccination site at a local stadium in Maryland, and while 481 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 3: logistically that made a lot of sense, our community members 482 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 3: that rely on public transportation to get there would have 483 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 3: had to take a multi hour multiple buses to get there, 484 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 3: spend many hours in line waiting for their turn, which 485 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 3: was also being run by the National Guards, so they 486 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: saw people in military uniforms to then have the same 487 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 3: trek home, and this meant taking an entire day off 488 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 3: from work when our community members don't usually have access 489 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 3: to paid sick leave in their jobs, so that would 490 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: put their financial ability to provide for their family at risk, 491 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 3: as well as the fears that come with going to 492 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 3: a center where you see it being administered by people 493 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 3: in military uniforms and the fears of ice potentially being there. 494 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 3: And so we at GASA early on stood up community 495 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 3: based vaccine clinics at our centers because our centers are 496 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 3: in the heart of the community. We did them during 497 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 3: hours that are convenient for our communities. And the linguistic 498 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 3: piece is also key. They know that they can communicate 499 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 3: with us and that we can communicate the information to 500 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 3: them about the safety of the vaccines and the next steps. 501 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 10: Right, So there's this notion of organizing and building trusts 502 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 10: with our communities. And you know, then you take examples 503 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 10: of what happened in twenty twenty where you take a 504 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 10: place like Arizona, which is a state that Joe Biden 505 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 10: won and that took I mean, talk about organizing to 506 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 10: get to becoming the only second Democrat in over seventy 507 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 10: years to win the state. The history of organizing behind 508 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 10: Arizona alone, but now how COVID has changed sort of 509 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 10: organizing in general Tanzina. Talk more about that, what you're seeing, 510 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 10: what you're reporting on, and. 511 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 9: Is it leading to Okay, let's go out there. 512 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 7: No, I don't think so. I think the left quote 513 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 7: unquote Democrats are having trouble you know, convincing. And it 514 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 7: was very much the same question when the twenty twenty 515 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 7: election came around, which was are you voting for Biden 516 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 7: or against Trump? Right? And I think you saw a 517 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 7: lot of people and Carlos correct me if I'm wrong here, 518 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 7: who just said let's just get this guy out of office, 519 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 7: and you know they were voting more against Trump, I think, 520 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 7: and now my sense is that his party influence is there. 521 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 7: So I think people are saying, well, look, you had Congress, 522 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 7: you had an opportunity to do something, but you also 523 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 7: had Joe Manchin and Kirson Cinema who you know, in 524 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 7: my view, and I've said this a lot are pretty 525 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 7: obstructionists when it comes to their own party's agenda. You know, 526 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 7: it's a very frustrating time for people to say, well 527 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 7: I have to vote this way with these folks or that. 528 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 7: I mean, what did they actually do? So I think 529 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 7: what the Democrats have to figure out is how do 530 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 7: you become the party that people want to vote for 531 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 7: as opposed to the party that people are voting, you know, 532 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 7: because they don't want the other guy? 533 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 9: Right, Carlos, your thoughts, I know you've spent a lot 534 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 9: of work on this. 535 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, He's like, okay, I mean no, yeah, you know, 536 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: as somebody was saying a lot of people voted because 537 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: they didn't want to have to follow the news anymore. 538 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 4: Right, They were like. 539 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 2: I don't want to have to every day turn on 540 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: the news, worried about what going to be next. And 541 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: the challenge is, right, a lot of the same dynamics 542 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 2: are still president in the US, and actually we've had 543 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 2: a variety of crises. Voters will say, I don't blame 544 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: Joe Biden and Democrats. I don't think it's all their fault. 545 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: You have like an incredible amount of perspective and sense 546 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 2: of well, there was a global pandemic that was kind 547 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 2: of disruptive, and at the same time they're like, but 548 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: they are in charge, so I look to them to 549 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: fix it, and if they don't, then we've got to 550 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: try somebody else. Of Course, the challenge is you do 551 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 2: have a Republican obstructionism. But that's a hard thing to 552 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: message on, which still makes it a question of what's 553 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: going to happen, Meaning if it was just on a 554 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: question of where people felt today, I think Democrats are 555 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: gonna have a very hard midterm. But you could have 556 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 2: said the same thing in twenty ten when Obama had 557 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 2: his famous shellacking and I should say I was in 558 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: the White House at that time, and so I was 559 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: your disclosure. 560 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 4: I felt the shillacking very intimately. 561 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 2: However, Democrats held onto the Senate, and in great part 562 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: they held onto it because Harry Reid was re elected 563 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 2: in Nevada, and Harry Reid was re elected in Nevada 564 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: because one there was a very extreme Republican candidate share 565 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: an angle for anyone who remembers her. And two because 566 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 2: Harry read understood importance of Latino vote. He sure did 567 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: it and went hard on Dream Act and understood it 568 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: was a game of margins and eked out a victory 569 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: in Nevada that saved the Senate for the Democrats. 570 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 9: Right. 571 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's great that you kind of bring 572 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: us back to this like political political history and dynamic 573 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: and Harry Reid and Nevada and the connection with Latino 574 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: and Latina voters. And now I want to actually take 575 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: it to another subject, which is actually so it hasn't 576 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: just been the political thing and how we as Latinos 577 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: and Latins are responding or not throughout this pandemic and politics, 578 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: but also the role of journalism. Right, So it's often 579 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: the work of local journalists who have are plugged into 580 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: a community that provides people with the information that they need, 581 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: especially for people who are non English speaking. So Maritza 582 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: Felix is a journalist who founded Corneta Arisona at the 583 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: start of the pandemic. 584 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 5: It originally started so WhatsApp group come how many of 585 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 5: us are on WhatsApp groups? 586 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: Okay to share accurate information, accurate information about COVID for 587 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: local community members in Arizona. 588 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 5: And eventually it grew, it expanded across platforms. 589 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: It became a community led media outlet, a space to 590 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: deal with issues beyond the pandemic, from immigration, to the 591 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: economy to voting. So Maritza spoke about the importance of 592 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: community informed media to our producer North Saudi. Let's take 593 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: a listen to the tape. 594 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 11: So when the pandemic started, I was googling and searching 595 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 11: and asking for information in Spanish and there was none. 596 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 11: And if I found something online it was like a 597 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 11: very bad Google Translate press release, and it was like 598 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 11: this is nobody can understand this, this is not working. 599 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 11: And I think that barrier is so huge that make 600 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 11: us vulnerable because we don't have access to the same 601 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 11: kind of information that the others, the English spe does 602 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 11: And another thing is not just language, It's about culture 603 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 11: because sometimes we don't take in consideration how our culture 604 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 11: plays our role on how we get the information and 605 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 11: how we theyest all the facts and all the reality 606 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 11: that we're living in. We as journalists, we always provide 607 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 11: an information that we never stop and listen and ask 608 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 11: what do you need? So that's something that I did. 609 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 11: I stop and I start listening and I asking questions 610 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 11: what do you need? 611 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 5: I kind of love this. 612 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, you know, the role where we 613 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: feel like as journals we just have to step up 614 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: and do the job and ask, in fact, what do 615 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: you need? So, Tanzina, you're a journalist who has experienced 616 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: a lot of change during this pandemic, and I'm wondering 617 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: how you think the pandemic has changed the media, especially 618 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: when we cover the elections that are coming and the 619 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: real life consequences for our communities. 620 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 7: You know, just going off of the clip that we 621 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 7: just heard, they're saying we don't have the resources. And 622 00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 7: as I'm going through my mind, I'm thinking, you know, 623 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 7: but you're right, if you're bilingual, if you're Spanish speaking, 624 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 7: if the type of media you have access to, particularly 625 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 7: local media, is so limited. Here in New York City, 626 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 7: we have ed the audio was like the paper, I know, right, 627 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 7: like it was the paper and the Adio Labrenca. That 628 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 7: was it. And now it's like we don't have those 629 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 7: resources anymore. So that's number one, who's telling the stories. 630 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 7: I just also think that, you know, I respect my 631 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 7: colleagues in journalism immensely. I worry though, that we are 632 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 7: not up to the task that the moment is calling for. 633 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 7: You know, new journalism and young journalism is important, but 634 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 7: we also need a sense of context and perspective, which 635 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 7: is why I've always advocated for multi generational newsrooms because 636 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 7: I think without that, you confronted with a situation like, 637 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 7: what's happening now, and this is all you know? So 638 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 7: how do you put this in context? Right? How do 639 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 7: you help explain what is happening in the world. So 640 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 7: I think we need to have that conversation just about 641 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 7: what we value as media. So, you know, I think 642 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 7: all of that hopefully will give us some better parameters. 643 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 7: But I don't know. It's a tough task and I 644 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 7: don't know if everyone's up to it. 645 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: It is it's definitely been a challenge godless. So what 646 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: about for you, like when you kind of step back 647 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, two years plus of working in 648 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: a pandemic, what's changed for you and how you see 649 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: the weight. 650 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 5: Of your work. 651 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we do research, but at the end 652 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 2: of the day, we're talking about is understanding. We are 653 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 2: trying to fill in gaps and the understanding and engagement 654 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 2: of Latino voters, and obviously that's just become all the 655 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 2: more important. 656 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I'm going to bring it. 657 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: Back to media too, because the challenge is we need 658 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 2: media that is culturally relevant, that doesn't condescend, that meets 659 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 2: people where they're at, both in terms of what we 660 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 2: say and where we are saying it. 661 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 4: We have to meet people where they're at. 662 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 2: It's what I love about what Madi Cefelik's was saying 663 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 2: in Arizona, which is WhatsApp. You know, WhatsApp is such 664 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: a uniquely Latino and API platform that we kind of 665 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: got to take care of our own. We need media 666 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 2: buy us for us across the spectrum, reaching everybody that 667 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 2: we can and the people that our hardest to reach out, 668 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 2: the ones we most have to be reaching. 669 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 4: That's the paradox of the moment. 670 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 5: Well, thank you so much to all of you for 671 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 5: joining me on Latino USA. 672 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 9: Thanks for having me. 673 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 7: Thank you so much. 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