1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty. 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 3: I know he. 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty. 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 4: And if these gorgeous be too bombers, give me that bomber, Andrews, 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 4: let me just hug. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: That little sucker. Give me that bomber over there? Thank 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: You know immediately which one? This looks small, but in 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: person is very big. 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 4: It's the only plane capable of carrying a two hundred 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 4: thousand pound bombs. So I don't know how to do 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 4: it because it's very sleek and nice, but it carries 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 4: a lot of weapons and there's a lot of bombs. 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: That's Trump grabbing the model of the B two bomber 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: off of his desk. 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: Guy, let me hug that little sucker. 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 5: Carries a lot of weapons, a lot of bombs. Wow, 19 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 5: what an odd bird. 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: We do have a slight breaking news thing. The big 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: gas field in the world in Saudi Arabia has been 22 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: hit and a number of strikes by Iran and now 23 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: your oil gas markets are spiking. 24 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: We'll see where that goes today. 25 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: Boy, wow, they're in a hole and they are digging 26 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 3: as fast as they can, just trying to make everybody 27 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: as angry as possible, thinking we'll all think back off 28 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: at some point exactly. Oh, they're causing too much pain. 29 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 3: We've got to stop and let this regime continue. That's 30 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: the hell of a calculation. I suppose they think that's 31 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 3: the only car they have to play. So a bit 32 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: of a theme hour this hour. It's come together kind 33 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 3: of accidentally, but it's all super interesting in my opinion. It's, Oh, 34 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: how the mighty have fallen. We're going to take a 35 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: look at some very prominent characters, from Saisar Chavez to 36 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 3: economist rock star of the left Paul Erlik who wrote 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: the Population Bomb book, and also some of the most 38 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: interesting information I've come across about Jeffrey Epstein, if you 39 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: really want to understand how he and his cabal of 40 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: high flyers worked coming up this hour to stay with us. 41 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 3: But let's start with the Jack and Seesar Chavez. 42 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: Here to Caesar Chavez, he was the brown Martin Luther King, 43 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: as described by people, civil rights leader for migrant farm 44 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: workers back in the day, and organized them and got 45 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: some rights and all that sort of stuff and became 46 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: a is a it's not a national holiday, right, so 47 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: holiday in California, and yeah, right. 48 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 3: But he won all sorts of you know, this guy's 49 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: a superhero awards through. 50 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: The years from Fariou press O ye, And as they 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: write in the California Post, every progressive history curriculum, every 52 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: California street sign, every March thirty first is proof that 53 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: here was a flawless champion of the oppressed. Schools were renamed, statues, erected, 54 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: documentaries produced with soft lighting and swelling violins. Well, now 55 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: he's going to be canceled because it turns out he 56 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 1: was raping a thirteen year old at least one, if 57 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: not many young women, which is pretty horrible. 58 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, sexually molesting multiple girls and raping grown women. 59 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: We got this text. 60 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: My friend at work was a migrant farm worker her 61 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: first twenty five years of life, and she told me 62 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: there was definitely a culture of taking young women and 63 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: no one really did anything about it. I have no 64 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: way to confirm whether that was true or not, but 65 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: it seems to have been true for Caesar Shaves himself. 66 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: Whether that was true for other men of power in 67 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: the whole migrant farm worker world, I do not know. 68 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll learn that over the next couple of weeks. 69 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 5: I suspect. 70 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: So why did the I hate to call it the wokesters, 71 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: because I mean, we're all against raping children. 72 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: You don't have to be woke to be against raping children. 73 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: But why did this come out now? And the New 74 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: York Times is leading the way on this story? Is 75 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: it his anti immigration stances which would become more problematic 76 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: for Caesar Shabz. Critics who noted Caesar shab Is anti 77 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: immigration stances way back in the nineteen seventies were dismissed 78 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: as right wing cranks. The narrative was simple, flawless labor 79 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: saint versus evil growers. Yet Chavez was no open borders 80 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: progressive at any point. He was a staunch opponent of 81 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: illegal immigration, viewed undocumented workers as strike bears imported by 82 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: growers to undercut wages and bust unions. He used the 83 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: term wetbacks freely to comment on Mexicans who swam across 84 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: the river and came here and took their jobs. He's 85 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: the guy that got wet back going as a slur. 86 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: The United farm Workers blocked border crossing, brought border crossings, 87 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: border crossings, physically would fight illegals coming across the border 88 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: to scare them off of trying to get in. Reported 89 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: thousands of undocumented workers to the federal government to I ins, 90 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I live in a town where they 91 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: have written in chalk on every intersection the phone number 92 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: to call if you see any ICE agents, because how 93 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: dare you ice out? 94 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: How dare you turn in an illegal to ice? 95 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: Caesar Shapez was doing that constantly, thousands of thousand on 96 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: his own. 97 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 5: He was like an amateur ice agent. 98 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 99 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: Chavez saw unchecked illegal immigration as a direct threat to jobs, 100 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: bargaining power, and living standards for domestic farm workers. You know, hey, 101 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: I thought that because it's one hundred percent true. Obviously, 102 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: you think you're helping the downtrodden uh migrant farm worker 103 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: by letting more illegals in. How do you come to 104 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: that conclusion? 105 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: Anyway? 106 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: I just wonder if maybe that was becoming so uncomfortable 107 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: that people decided to go after him on this stuff 108 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: that had to be known by quite a few people, 109 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: I would think, But I could be wrong. 110 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 3: I'm trying to The New York Times isn't explicit in 111 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 3: their piece about chef the accusers and Chevez about why 112 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: they've come forward now. They suggest one of them was 113 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: just pissed off that Bakersfield was about to name a 114 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: street after the guy right down the road from where 115 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 3: she lived. 116 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: That could be Kavanaugh's accuser. Even though she was a 117 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: complete crazy person, she believed her own story. Even if 118 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: she's crazy. You know, when Kavanaugh came up to be 119 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice, then she thought that's too much. Maybe 120 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: this person was the same way, just like, Okay, I 121 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: can't I can't have to drive down a street name 122 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: for the guy that raped me when I was thirteen. 123 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: Right right? 124 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah? 125 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: And that question remains, are they gonna take it? They're 126 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: going to cancel the holiday in California? It looks like 127 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: Caesar Shabaz Day. Are they gonna take his name off 128 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: middle schools and roads and everything else? 129 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: There's got to be statues all over the place. 130 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So wow, are they desanctifying this guy because 131 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: of the immigration stuff? 132 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 4: For it? 133 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: Did these women just come forward and it's what it 134 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: appears to be on the surface. 135 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. 136 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 3: Raping a thirteen year old is really awful, but he 137 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 3: still did all the things he did and That's where 138 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: I wonder about where we go historically on this. We 139 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 3: had a Gandhi statue in the park in the town 140 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: I live in for a while. Then somebody decided no, 141 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: Gandhi was wrong on these things. 142 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 5: Jack lives in Mumbai, by the way, I kidd. 143 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: And somebody decided to know he was bad on these areas, 144 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: so they took the Gandhi statue down. I mean, so, 145 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: is there gonna be an anybody left that accomplished great 146 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: things but had a I'm not gonna say sordid, because 147 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: you don't have a sordid personnel life if you're raping 148 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: thirteen year olds, but an awful personal life. I just 149 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how we handle this historically. 150 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: Oddly enough, the reference to India is a good time 151 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: to move on to Paul Rlick, author of The Population Bomb, 152 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: hero of the left for many years, always wrong, and 153 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: yet his policies endured. He was more than wrong. He 154 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: was a monster. 155 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 5: He was a. 156 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: Terrible human being. 157 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: And we'll explain why after the So stay with us. 158 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: Whether you're stuck at an airport or sweltering in the 159 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: heat or stuck in a blizzard, depending on where you 160 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: are in the country. I hope you're enjoying today's episode 161 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: of The Armstrong and Getty Show. 162 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: You're almost certainly not starving, though. And Paul Rlick, who 163 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 3: just passed away, was the author of a nineteen sixty 164 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: eight book, The Population Bomb. To call it a sensation 165 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: is to understate it. To buy a thousand times he 166 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: was a rock star. He is on The Tonight Show 167 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 3: with Johnny Carson twenty times. He was interestingly a butterfly 168 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: biologist turned rock star eco pessimist. According to Matt Ridley, 169 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:53,599 Speaker 3: nice piece of writing there, he essentially predicted mass starvation, 170 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: well read part of it. In nineteen sixty eighty forecast 171 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 3: that within the coming decade at least one hundred to 172 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 3: two hundred million people per year will be starving to death. 173 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: So by seventy eight or in the seventies, he probably 174 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: only in the seventies. So in the seventies hundreds of 175 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: millions of people were going to starve death because of 176 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: the population being so. 177 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 3: Big, and by nineteen eighty five enough millions will have 178 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 3: died to reduce the Earth's population some acceptable level, like 179 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: one and a half billion people. Further More, he warned 180 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: that by nineteen eighty the life expectancy of the average 181 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: American would have fallen to forty two years as the 182 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 3: result of cancer caused by pesticides. 183 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, And. 184 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: When he died, most people said, you know, he's wrong 185 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 3: about that. The New York Times charmingly said, he was 186 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: premature in his prediction, but he was so incredibly farcically wrong. 187 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 3: The reasons why you're interesting. And also the guy was 188 00:09:53,840 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: a freaking monster. I will illustrate, quoting again from mister Ridley. 189 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 5: Meanwhile, oh uh. 190 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: Oh, they mentioned the irony that he survived a half 191 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: century longer than the life expectancy he predicted. Also spent 192 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: his last years as one of more than eight billion 193 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 3: people in an era in which global life expectancy has 194 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 3: increased by more than seven hours day seven hours a 195 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: day since he forecast that it would collapse. Meanwhile, famine 196 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: has gone all but gone extinct, with death rates from 197 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: mass starvation down to a tiny fraction of what they 198 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: were in the sixties. Back then, about thirty million people 199 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: out of a population of approximately three billion died in 200 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: famines that killed more than one hundred thousand people each. 201 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 3: In the twenty tens, one point one million, not thirty 202 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 3: million one point one million out of population of more 203 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 3: than eight billion died in such episodes, a decline of 204 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 3: more than ninety six percent in the death rate. He 205 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: shot to fame in nineteen sixty eight with the population bomb, 206 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 3: the prologue of which is dismissed. All hope for humankind 207 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: and I quote the battle defeat all of humanity is over. 208 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: In the nineteen seventies. 209 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: Hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in 210 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: spite of any crash programs embarked upon now and at 211 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: this late date, nothing can prevent a substantial increase in 212 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 3: the world death rate. Yet something did prevent that. Even 213 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 3: as Erlik wrote those words, the world's population great was 214 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, the world's population growth rate was falling. New 215 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: strains of wheat and rice developed by agronomus, he mentions, 216 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 3: a famous agronomists, were starting to transform the. 217 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: Productivity of agriculture. 218 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: India was on its way to banishing famine and becoming 219 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 3: a food exporter within a few years. The amount of 220 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: food available has increased faster than the population on every 221 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 3: continent on Earth over the past sixty years, even as 222 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: the land area devoted to farming has fallen, as often 223 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 3: so often happens with environmental pessimism. 224 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: Irlik's warning was already out of. 225 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 3: Date when it was made, but he stubbornly stuck to 226 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: his views. In eight he was still predicting an unhappy 227 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,599 Speaker 3: increase in the death rate. In twenty twenty three, he 228 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 3: posted plaintively, if I'm always wrong, so is science, since 229 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: my work is peer reviewed, including the population bomb. And 230 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 3: I've gotten virtually every scientific honor. Sure I've made mistakes, 231 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: but no basic ones. All right, here's where he becomes 232 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 3: a monster. And he did win the MacArthur Fellowship, the 233 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: Genius Grant, a fellowship with London's Royal Society in twenty twelve, 234 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 3: even though he'd said in nineteen seventy one, if I 235 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: were a gambler, I'd take even money that England will 236 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: not exist in the year two thousand. 237 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: So his book it. 238 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: Reminds me of the because I'm known artists. Did he 239 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: think it would be underwater? He doesn't explain that. No, 240 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't have the context of that claim. 241 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: But his book begins with an evening in Delhi, India, 242 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 3: when he found the press of people overwhelming quote people 243 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: eating people washing, people, sleeping, people visiting, arguing and screaming, 244 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 3: people thrusting their hands through the taxi window, begging, people 245 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,599 Speaker 3: defecating and urinating. 246 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: You presuming means. 247 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 3: Like in public, because they're doing that everywhere. Paul, anyway, 248 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: I planned you today, I'm happy for you. The answer 249 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 3: to his culture shock, he argued, was coerced compulsory population control. 250 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: Quote. 251 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: The operation will demand many, apparently brutal and heartless decisions. 252 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: The pain may be intense. He was calling for forced sterilizations, 253 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: including in Indian all men who had three or more children. 254 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: Coercion and a good cause. He was astounded that libertarians 255 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: objected when the American government took up his suggestion. In 256 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy five, Indian Prime Minister and Dera Gandhi was 257 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 3: threatened with the loss of World Bank loans unless she 258 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 3: began forcibly sterilizing people. 259 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: Wow, I do not see this. 260 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: She obliged, and her son Sanjay carried out a program 261 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 3: making permits, licenses, rations, and even housing applications conditional on sterilization. 262 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 3: Over eight million people people were sterilized. 263 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: I had no idea that the. 264 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 3: Irony is that one of the greatest causes of the 265 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 3: falling birth rate in the world over the past half 266 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: century has been kindness, not cruelty, in the form of 267 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: child mortality prevention. As poor nations become wealthier in quality 268 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: medical care for infants, spread birth rates declined across the 269 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: world without the aid of coercion. When mothers are confident 270 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: that their children will survive, they plan for smaller families. 271 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 5: There are a number of factors at work, though. 272 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: Now countries all around the world are trying to figure 273 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: out how much money do we have to give a 274 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: woman to get her to have a baby. 275 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:38,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, no kidding, Oh for Americans too. Erlich recommended coercion 276 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 3: and control for American citizens. In a nineteen seventy interview, 277 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 3: he said that television programs should be ordered by the 278 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: federal government to always show large families in a negative light. 279 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, how crazy is that he was 280 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: going to have? This goes beyond anything you've ever heard 281 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: about the First Amendment in terms of trashing it. You're 282 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: gonna make the government force entertainment to show big families 283 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: in a negative light. 284 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: Commercials should relentlessly shame such people. If that did not work, 285 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: the government should give women quote bonuses for not having babies, 286 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: or change the tax structure to punish the fertile, and 287 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: if necessary, start legislating the size of the family and 288 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 3: throw you in jail if you have too many children. 289 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 5: Those are quotes. 290 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, he has a nut, and he set the tone 291 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: for the nascent environmental movement, which saw people as a problem, 292 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 3: economic growth as a crime, and coercion as necessary. The 293 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: carrots of incentives are not enough, the sticks of punishment 294 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 3: and regulation are necessary. 295 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 5: Well, the last guy was an effing monster. Pardon me. 296 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: A lot of you listening are probably too young to 297 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: have lived through this, but Joe and I being in 298 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: the winter of our lives, remember this was a constant 299 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: conversation topic about the population of the earth, you know, 300 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: becoming unsustainable and it's inevitable. It's just what are we 301 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: gonna do about it? I mean, his book had an 302 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: incredible influence, and now we look back on it, it 303 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: seems almost hilarious in that the biggest problem we might 304 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: have his man kind of as disappearing because we don't 305 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: have kids. The climate change thing is gonna be the same. 306 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: I think look back on a decade years from now, 307 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: maybe like two years from now, and just It's just 308 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: gonna seem hilarious that anybody was ever worried about this. 309 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: The difference out though, is that so many people have 310 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: profited so mightily from this. 311 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. 312 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 3: I mean there are a lot of true believers, but 313 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: there are a lot of cynics who are like, oh 314 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: my god, we frightened the populace to the point that 315 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: they'll authorize any expenditure if we can even implausibly claim 316 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: it'll help with climate change. We can hand out billions 317 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: of dollars to our cronies, and at least half of America, 318 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 3: for instance, will thank us for it. Yeah, oh my god. 319 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 3: I wish I'd gotten in on the scam. It's to 320 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 3: my discredit. 321 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: I didn't. 322 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: Nobody was building giant windmill farms to cut the population 323 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: and making money off of it. We got a lot 324 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: more on the way. I hope we can stay here. 325 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty. 326 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 6: Did a nurse quake just come through our whole house shook. 327 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: And we thought that something hit like the roof of 328 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 2: the grocery store. 329 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 5: It was just a really loud bang. 330 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 1: And I just hear a giant thud, and then it 331 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: persisted for like ten seconds and I'm just sitting there, like, 332 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: is this the end times? 333 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: It sounded like a bowling ball dropped on the floor 334 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: above me. 335 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: It was pretty lord, that's people that were it was 336 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: at in Ohio someplace at the media actually hit. But 337 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: so the meteor was streaking across half the country and 338 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: I've seen so many videos now people catching them with 339 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: their ring cameras, are had their cell phone out. 340 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: Or whatever the heck. 341 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: And absolutely my first thought would have been we're under attack. 342 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: I mean it was that big and bright and low. 343 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought meteor. I would have thought ballistic 344 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: missile from somebody. 345 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not. 346 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 3: Sure I could have gotten past mind just animal because 347 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 3: it last year like that long, and unless you're in Ohio, 348 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 3: it just disappeared from the sky. 349 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 5: I think I would have just been caveman. 350 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: Bad. 351 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: Bad is big, bright and low though, like nothing you've 352 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: ever seen before, if you've seen any of these videos. 353 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 5: AnyWho, Uh, interesting, what do we have coming up? 354 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: So glad, I'm glad we live in a country where 355 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: that's not really possible, as opposed to many many countries 356 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: where it. 357 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 2: Is possible and actually happening. 358 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 5: As we certainly unlikely anyway, coming. 359 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: Up Cuba, Like we need more on our world plate 360 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: of interesting things. 361 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 3: Cuba's about to fall more on that in a second. Wow, Okay, 362 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: we're assassinating character? Is this hour? 363 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 2: Not? Really? 364 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: We're just telling the truth about prominent people, including in 365 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 3: this case, Jeffrey Epstein. And it's funny we're talking about 366 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 3: Sazar Chavez, who is almost certainly guilty of raping children, 367 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: forcing himself upon them, raping an adult woman. 368 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: That's not us right wing radio talk show host. That's 369 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: the New York Times saying that, yeah, straight from his 370 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: victim's mouths. 371 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it seems to be very very well corroborated 372 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 3: in the park street to school near you will soon 373 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 3: be renamed anyway, certainly if you're in California. 374 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 5: The stuff on Epstein is interesting. 375 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 3: Ah. I think a lot of people, for whatever reason, 376 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 3: are so obsessed with the sexual angle of his hyjens 377 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 3: And certainly he did manipulate and victimize young women, both 378 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 3: underage and just young women, girls and women. But they're 379 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: so obsessed with the sexual stuff, I think they're missing 380 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 3: an even more interesting. 381 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 5: Story. 382 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 3: And I'm not necessarily even talking about the obsessed you know, 383 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 3: QAnon Pizza Gate, crazy crazy stuff who just you know, 384 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: we've talked. 385 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 5: About why they're compelled to believe that sort. 386 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: Of thing anyway, But the Wall Street Journal has a 387 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: super interesting piece and we've today about the network of 388 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: insider stock trading that he and his connections engaged in. 389 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 3: Because this guy, I believe in the same way that 390 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: I understand that Hitler was a master of populist politics. 391 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 3: I mean, he's one of the best of the world 392 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: has ever seen. And you can still understand that he's evil, 393 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: completely evil, completely corrupt and evil. 394 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 5: Epstein was a rock star of networking. 395 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 3: He was an incredibly gifted networker, and I've heard that 396 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 3: said by all sorts of people from all sorts of 397 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 3: different worlds, from science to academia to business to politics. 398 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: He knew what everybody's levers were and not like threatening 399 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 3: them in blackmailing them, flattering them, investing in them, giving 400 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 3: them tips, connecting them with like other people who could 401 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 3: help them. So therefore you'd be more than delighted to 402 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 3: do him a favor when the day came. 403 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 5: That was his skill. 404 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 2: And this. 405 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 3: Article is as a roster of execs from JP Morgan 406 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 3: chased Key Advisors to Bill Gates to a Hood Barak, 407 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 3: the former Prime Minister of Israel who was on the 408 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 3: board of a tech startup to I mean, there's all 409 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 3: sorts of Prince Andrew, even Peter Mandelson, the British diplomat 410 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: who was gay and had no interest in young girls 411 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 3: at all. They all traded information and he was the 412 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 3: point guard. Trading wasn't the source of all of his wealth. 413 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 3: A lot of it came from advising billionaires like Leonne 414 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: Black and less. Wexner has been great, you know, discussed 415 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 3: a lot, but he he engaged in all sorts of 416 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 3: insider trading with all sorts of people that you know. 417 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 3: That's the long and short of it. That's what you 418 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 3: need to understand about it. I'm so bad at that 419 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 3: sort of thing, not insider trading but networking. 420 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, because I just am naturally predisposed to 421 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: not want to do that sort of thing. But it's 422 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: it's a good idea if your personality allows it. 423 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, guys, I'm I'm glad to be friendly 424 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: with them, but they are so outgoing and good at 425 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 3: you know, the whole talking about your vacation, then their vacation, 426 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 3: and then the you're whatever, then there and. 427 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, like this guy was a master at it. 428 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: If I know a guy who's got you know, I 429 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: don't know, needs water but doesn't have buckets, and another 430 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: guy who has buckets but doesn't have water, if I thought, 431 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'll bet I could put those two together. 432 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: But then we'd have to have dinner and then I yeah, 433 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: so I just my mouth shut. 434 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 3: On the other hand, Jeffrey Epstein people like him would think, now, 435 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 3: bucket boy and water king over there. Yeah, they both 436 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 3: love me, right, Yeah, here's here's I just keep my 437 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 3: mouth shut. Too bad about that bucket situation you got there. 438 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 3: I wish I knew. Somebody can't help you anyway. 439 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, they're all sorts of examples. 440 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 3: There's a big medical company in their IPO, Swiss drug 441 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: giant Roche, and he was tipped off early by his 442 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 3: connections that somebody was buying somebody and blah blah. Then 443 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 3: he let friends in on it and so they owed 444 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,479 Speaker 3: him big and yeah, that's that's wild. 445 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: So on the topic of Cuba, I'll admit that really 446 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: everything I know about Cuba comes from Hemingway books and 447 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: The Godfather. That's about the extent of my Cuban knowledge 448 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: and the Cuban missile crisis. 449 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: I guess that's it. That's the beginning and end of 450 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: my cubanology. 451 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: But it's communist country, and it's been, you know, kind 452 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: of a basket case on the verge of following my 453 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: entire life. But Trump said the other day, you know, 454 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: Cuba's next tod be my honored and I thought, oh, okay, 455 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what he's got planned or whatever. 456 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 1: Then I saw this report on the news last night 457 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: which got my attention. 458 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 6: Listen to this, and now once more, no power across 459 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 6: the island the nation. White black out yesterday is still 460 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 6: keeping much of the country in the dark. In a 461 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 6: nation used to hardship, Cubans say, the situation has never. 462 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: Been worse in a country used to hardship. The situation 463 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: has never been worse than it is right now in 464 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: Cuba because of us taking out my door in Venezuela 465 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: and cutting off the oil and all the different sorts 466 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: of things in the bargo and so we have forced 467 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: Cuba into the worst situation it's ever been in Domestically, 468 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: the country has been plunged into darkness this week by 469 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: a blackout. The third big failure of its power grids 470 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: since December, opening the door to Trump suggesting that he 471 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: might have to take Cuba energy blockade. Many of the 472 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: nation's eleven million residents struggling to keep food from spoiling 473 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: because they got no electricity. So soon the food will 474 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: spoil in the refrigerators that aren't running, and then it's 475 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: going to really be a crisis. Hospitals have canceled surgeries 476 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: all across the country. The leading universities are closed. I mean, 477 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: it is bad in Cuba, and somehow that's not on 478 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: the radar. Well, pretty obvious reasons. Were at war with Iran? 479 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 5: Were you going to play the clump clump trip the 480 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 5: Trump clip? 481 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 2: I was not. Do we have one? 482 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, we do sixty. 483 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 4: I do believe I'll be the honor of having the 484 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 4: honor of taking Cuba a big good Honest's a big 485 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 4: honor in taking Cube, Taking Cube in some form. 486 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, taking Guba. I mean, whether I. 487 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 4: Free it, take it, I think I could do anything 488 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 4: I want with it. You want another a very weekend 489 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 4: nation right now? 490 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, So fifty three states, you got Canada, Cuba, and Greenland. 491 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: Now Cuba really should be a state of the United States. 492 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 3: You go back East, an independent country that's not run 493 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 3: by a corrupt, fake communist mob. 494 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: Anyway, I for one didn't know Cuba is in the 495 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: worst shape it's ever been. That's that's saying something. If 496 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: you know anything about the ups and downs of Cuba 497 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: over the years. 498 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 3: Wow, So as soon as all that food spoils in 499 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 3: all the fridges across the country, then it's gonna that's 500 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: going to turn into a serious, serious crisis really fast. 501 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 3: And Trump, who increasingly in that clip at least sounded 502 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 3: a little like Don Corleoni, is going to offer make 503 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 3: them an offer they can't refuse, which would be wonderful 504 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 3: for the Cuban people. I don't know what form it 505 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 3: will take. I certainly hope it leads toward a move 506 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 3: toward democracy and human rights and the rest of it 507 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 3: for the poor people. And it's not like, you know 508 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: the world is hungering for more vacation destinations exactly, but 509 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: that should be a prosperous I mean, pick your your 510 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 3: favorite Caribbean destination, Bahamas, Jamaica, the US Virgin Islands, something 511 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: like that. Cuba's a giant one of those, Plus it's closer. 512 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: There would be endless boat trips back and forth between Miami, 513 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: Key West and Cuba. 514 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: Well, how much fun would that be? It's seventy miles, 515 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 3: so how much fun would that be? Well, exactly, I 516 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 3: was going to say. The flight would be like one 517 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 3: of those puddle jumpers that you take from a Sacramento 518 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 3: to a San Francisco or a New York to a 519 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 3: you know what's the big city in Connecticut, Connecticut city, 520 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 3: doesn't matter, Bristol, whatever. Yeah, I mean it would be 521 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 3: incredibly quick and easy. And I have great affection for 522 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 3: Cuba for a couple of reasons. 523 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: Number on Havana, that's what we're going to see. That's 524 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: entirely possible. 525 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 526 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely, the music of Cuba. They have an incredibly rich 527 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 3: heritage music. There are various documentaries, you should watch them. 528 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 3: The food is fantastic. It's a beautiful, beautiful place. 529 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 5: I've never been. 530 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 3: I've just seen you know, cigars, you got your cigars, 531 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 3: you got the attractive chiquita's. And I just hate whenever 532 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 3: people are oppressed by these communists swine and and. 533 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 5: This like it's so close, I mean, it's right there. 534 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 3: Why are we letting a communist regime poison our neighborhood. Well, 535 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 3: I don't think it. I think it's coming to an end. 536 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 3: Like in days, What sort of deal do they cut? 537 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 3: You got to just buy off anybody who's anybody and say, look, go, 538 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 3: you know, go wherever you want, Go to Hell, go 539 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 3: to Texas. We don't care if I own Texas and Hell, 540 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 3: I'd live in el and run out Texas anyway. 541 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 5: Blah blah blah Eh what did I say? 542 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: Oh? 543 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, right, whatever form the deal takes, let's let's get 544 00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 5: it going. 545 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 3: It would be a bit of a basket case for 546 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: a while, but not permanently. 547 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: Here's Mark Alpern's riding on it. Cuba is all teed up, 548 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: and Trump is going to do pretty much any anything 549 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: he wants, anytime he wants. After Secretary Rubio dots a 550 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: few more eyes. So and there's nobody more excited about 551 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: this than our current secretary of State, whose family fled 552 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: Cuba so they. 553 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 3: Were driven out by the brutality of the communists. Yeah 554 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 3: that he hates them for real. 555 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's gonna be a heck of a thing. 556 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: A darn. I didn't realize it was that bad. I 557 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: didn't realize it was the worst it's ever been. 558 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, well they're patrons. I mean, Soviet Union's gone. Russia 559 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 3: continue to help out some, but Russia's got its own problems. 560 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 3: Venezuela was a pipeline for fuel and money and the 561 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 3: rest of the LENSUALEI doing nothing now yeah, yoink. Indeed, 562 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 3: it's one of the great yoankings in the Western Hemisphere's history. 563 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: Okay, we will finish strong next Armstrong. It is titled 564 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: Cold Coffee. Yes, cold Coffee. Oh yeah right. 565 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: I knew it had coffee in the title, but I 566 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: didn't know what it was. I was trying to find 567 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: it the other day. That is a cool tune. Who's 568 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: the artiste? Why did I say it like that? McDermott questions, 569 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: I have Gate McDermott. 570 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 5: Okay, dat did you say date? 571 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 2: G Ai T. You're making up names. 572 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: Ok she's making random noises, g Ai T. MacDermott, Gate McDermott, Okay, 573 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 3: thank you. 574 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: So I got a story completely wrong earlier. I don't 575 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: know if I was reading too fast or just or 576 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm dumb, but uh, it is true that the biggest 577 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: natural gas field on planet Earth got attacked. But it 578 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: was It's in Iran, and it was attacked by Israel. Oh, 579 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: so Israel had attacked their oil refineries the other day, 580 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: and at least the news reporting was the United States 581 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: was very unhappy about that. That we said, who, well, 582 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: you can't do that. We're trying to get people to 583 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: rise up take back their country. We can't obliterate their 584 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: infrastructure and expect them to take over a country that 585 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: has no infrastructure. 586 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: So don't do that. 587 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: The reporting today is, according to Ian Bremer, that Israel 588 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: attacked the biggest natural gas field on the planet in 589 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: Iran with our encouragement, And according to Ian Bremer, that 590 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: is a signal that the war is escalated and we're 591 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: on to a different trajectory. 592 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 2: Now. 593 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: We gotta do whatever we can to weaken them, even 594 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: if we have to damage their infrastructure a great deal. 595 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 3: Got to admit, I'm starting to be concerned about the 596 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 3: amount of time, effort, and money it's going to take 597 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 3: to prevent Iran from turning into a doggy dog quagmire 598 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 3: of a nightmare of a dystopian you know, hellscape post war. 599 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 3: Even if there is an thing, what does the transition 600 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 3: look like a new regime and how long does that 601 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: take and what sort of sectarian fighting will there be 602 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 3: for how long? 603 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 5: So where is it unfolded? 604 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: Sort of ends up like such a barren wasteland. You've got, uh, 605 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: the Kurage trying to take a chunk, and al Qaeda 606 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: is involved in what's left of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, 607 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: and maybe Iraq thinks will expand and. 608 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 3: It's a country of ninety million people. Yeah, history will 609 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 3: tell you can't have a nuke though, and here sure 610 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 3: as hell trying to get. 611 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: One unleash the dogs of war. 612 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 5: That's the thing that a lot of people can't accept. 613 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: Sometimes you have two very bad options and you have 614 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 3: to choose one of them. 615 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: Ready to. 616 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: Again, I don't want the show to be over already. 617 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: I do. Here's your host McDermott. 618 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 3: There with Yeah, here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. 619 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 3: Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew 620 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 3: to wrap up the show. Wouldn't that be delightful? Michaelangelo, 621 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 3: our technical director, will lead the way away. Michael final thought. 622 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I got an idea about Cuba. Disney buys it. 623 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 5: They've already got a park in Florida. You add that 624 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 5: to the Disneyland. 625 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 3: Disney is evil, Michael sorry, they have lawyers. Allegedly according 626 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: to Katie. 627 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 5: The thought I'll take it, Katie Green are esteemed to 628 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 5: Newswoman as a final thought, Katie, I. 629 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 3: Can't figure out if I am normal or sick and 630 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 3: twisted for looking forward to the Netflix series about this 631 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 3: grief author. Yeah, no kidding, that'll be interesting. There needs 632 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 3: to be a really really good documentary about that. Yeah yeah, 633 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 3: yeah yeah Jack. A final thought, Oh god, bless you, 634 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 3: this is aproposa. 635 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: Nothing just came across this headline in the New York Post. 636 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: I could hear them working on me. Why more patients 637 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: are choosing to stay awake during three hour facelifts? 638 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 5: What well? 639 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 2: I just passed out. I could hear them working on me. 640 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 3: Oh golly, oh boy. I was thinking of my final 641 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 3: thought during the last segment. There are some presidents have 642 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 3: been referred to as caretaker presidents. 643 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 2: They really didn't do much whatever. 644 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 5: The opposite of that is. That's Donald j. 645 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 2: No kidding, crap. He is not a caretaker president, no doubt. 646 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: Armstrong Ngeeddy wrapping up another grueling four hour workday. 647 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: So many people, thanks, so little time. 648 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: Go to Armstrong and Geddy dot com for the swag 649 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 3: store pick up an ang T shirt helps keep everybody 650 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 3: on the stab during these challenging times. How about I 651 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 3: ruined the entire country knew some twenty twenty eight T 652 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 3: shirt or a hat, hoodie, whatever you like, drops a 653 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 3: note mail bag at Armstrong and Giddy dot com and 654 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 3: hit the hot links. 655 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 2: We will see tomorrow. 656 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: God bless America. I'm strong and geta And the reporting 657 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: was yesterday. It was just accidental that he didn't die. 658 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: He should have died. He stepped outside to take a call. 659 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 2: Or a smoke. 660 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: I forget what I read yesterday, but he like he went, 661 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: he went down the stairs. He was headed outside for something. 662 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 2: Hit like this, Dude, the y'all. 663 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 5: Song ain't Kenny? So the yah song Ain't Kenny? 664 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 4: Show? 665 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 5: Get the podcast of song and Kenny on the 666 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 2: Man Armstrong and Jeddy