1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Hi. I am Rashan McDonald, a host the weekly Money 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Making Conversation Masterclass show. The interviews and information that this 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: show provides are for everyone. It's time to stop reading 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 1: other people's success stories and start living your own. If 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: you want to be a guest on my show, please 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: visit our website, Moneymaking Conversations dot com and click to 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: be a guest button Chris submit and information will come 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: directly to me. Now, let's get this show started. It's uh, 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: excuse me for coughing. Now, I've been on vacation. I've 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: lost all the rules of radio and being on vacation. 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: It's amazing when you when you go on vacation. And 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: because of the fact that my body was different, my 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: mind was different, my world was different. As soon as 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: it got on that plane halfway back over here, I 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: could tell my body was different. I can tell the 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: focus I started realizing. I was about to get back 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: into the jungle, the jungle we call every day life. 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm about to start seeing, you know, reading about stuff 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to read about evening news, all that 20 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: good stuff. But again, so that tells you there's something 21 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: I used to didn't. I didn't take vacations. Man, I 22 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: didn't take vacations at all. I was so paranoid, worried 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: about getting off that little wheel that somebody's gonna take 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: my slide or I would lose my advantage. And not 25 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: realizing the advantage I was losing was not spending enough 26 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,279 Speaker 1: time with my family, not taking care of my body, 27 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: allowing stress, mental strain. Something we'll be talking about a 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: lot on the show today. If you want to talk 29 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: to us today, please call us and let us know. 30 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: Shares your stories today, what's happening in your life? Why 31 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: is it important that I should hear your story? Why? 32 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: Because my story is I'm being undered next week and 33 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm happy to say that. And the fact that somebody 34 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: has thought of media Atlanta Business League has thought of 35 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: myself and somebody had to nominate me. I didn't nominate myself. 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: Nobody thought enough to nominate me. And because of that, 37 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm being recognized for being a community leader, for being 38 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. And that amazing in itself that somebody thought 39 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: of that. And I you tr have a second it 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: on a show called the Bragging Segment. Well, this is 41 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: Rushan McDonald's bragging segment. The Atlanta Business League host is 42 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: seventeen annual. This is in Atlanta, Georgia. Men of influenced 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: reception and induction ceremonies celebrating African American men and their 44 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: accomplished Congratulations to all of the members who will be 45 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: sharing that room with me next week and one of 46 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: the legends of the Hall of Fame that will be 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: inducted to the incredible Warwick Done. If you don't know 48 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: what this young man has done with his life personally, 49 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: what he has done with the community, not only as 50 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: an athlete and a formal NFL player, but a philanthropist 51 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: house building is incredible. Google that man's name Warwick Done, 52 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: w Rriick Done. But also there are other influencers out there. 53 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: Just share a few names. Not gonna burden you. People 54 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: who I'll call my classmates. You know Afred McCrae, he's 55 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: the president of the Bank of America Atlanta. My man, 56 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: doctor Kevin James, president of Morris Brown, doctor David A. Thomas, 57 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: the president of Morehouse College, and many, many more will 58 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: be sharing that stage with me on the night of 59 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: Black Excellence. From a male perspective, The twenty twenty three 60 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: Atlanta Business League men of influence. I will be MOI 61 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: I'll be deducted to have my pictures. You know, I'm 62 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: gonna put it on social media. I'm gonna do it up. 63 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it up on the way Useean McDonald 64 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: can do it up. But more importantly, my family be there, 65 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: and people that carry about will be there, and more 66 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: importantly WC Okay, we'll be there doing their thing because 67 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: we are a community station that shouts out to success, 68 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: not only from an entrepreneurial standpoint for the community. We're 69 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: a community base and we're leaders in that forefront, not 70 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: only in jazz. When this show streams worldwide, because I know, 71 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: because of the fact that I get calls from Florida 72 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: to Pennsylvania, to California to the Midwest. But more importantly 73 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: than the guests I bring on the show, the guests 74 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: who have made this show so successful. And like again, 75 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: if you want to call and talk today, you know, 76 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: want to congratulate me for being honored, I take that 77 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: phone call. If you want to talk about some of 78 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: the things you want to share from a small business perspective, 79 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: I would do that. Now let's get to business, my guests. 80 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: He's on the call and I had him on the 81 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: show before and it really dealt into chronic pain, mental stress, 82 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: overcoming the odds. His name is Jackson Dunbar. He triumphed 83 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: by earning a comfortable living after having lost it all. 84 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: Dunbar's committed to creating a new normal life for himself, 85 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: deliberately focused on his physical health and strength, continue to 86 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: earn an income while still in chronic pain, and without 87 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: his knowledge, was teaching himself and possibly the world, a 88 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: masterclass in survival. In this book, he gives a first 89 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: hand account on how he made money, lost nanty pals, 90 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: and thrived in chronic pain in the financial and health 91 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: care worlds. Please welcome the money Making Conversation master class 92 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:18,119 Speaker 1: again the one and only Jackson Dunbar. How you doing, sir, great? 93 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. And I want 94 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: to say congratulations on the world. 95 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate appreciate it, you know, because you know I 96 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: had to be nominated by it. I didn't. I didn't 97 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: do the nomination myself. When it was an email was 98 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: sent to me, I was surprised and uh taking am 99 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: back about it in a good way, you know, because 100 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: when I invite you and I meet people like you. 101 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: I'm being educated, Jackson. I'm being confronted with information I 102 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: didn't know about. And I'm just going to share something 103 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: I was on vacation. I hurt my knee, Jackson, and 104 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: right now it's hurt right now, my left knee, and 105 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: so I continue to walk up the heels, I continue 106 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: to do everything with my family, and that ice packed it. 107 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: So I'm dealing with a degree of pain as we speak. 108 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: But I wanted to get into detail and talk about 109 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: the pain that you're dealing with. I would like to 110 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: believe you're dealing with it currently. Correct. 111 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I am. I am a chronic pain patient 112 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: due to a car accident, chronic paying patient to someone 113 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 2: that's in Constant Paine over six months. I've been in 114 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: Constant Paine since twenty fifteen. That was when my accident occurred. 115 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: And yeah, I just have to deal with it. 116 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: When you say that now, right now, there's a you know, 117 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: I've had pain. I was in the hospital for thirty days. 118 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: My lung collapsed, and I remember, I'll shared the story 119 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: with everybody. I remember when I went into hospital, it 120 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: was in an emergency and the doctor pulled back the 121 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: courage and he said, we don't do immediate surgery on you, 122 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: you will die. I can always remember that statement. You 123 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: said that because my lung had collapsed so much that 124 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: I you know, you know it's interesting how you're long 125 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: you when it collapsed, it becomes the size of a quarters. 126 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: How that's how big it was when it collapsed. And 127 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: and and they had to so they had to do 128 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: surgery on me by making an incision or right above 129 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: my or along my small rib cage to insert a tube. Well, 130 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: guess what, they couldn't dead in anything. I had to 131 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: feel the incision. I had to feel the two being 132 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: inserted in me and deal with the pain. And I remember, Jackson, 133 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: it was just it was a moment where you just 134 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: had to deal with it. Otherwise the results wouldn't have 135 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: came out that would allow me to talk today. How 136 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: did you because that was just an incident, but you're 137 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: dealing with it twenty four hours a day. 138 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: How I think the hard part, and this took a 139 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: few years for me, was I was focused on what 140 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: I lost. The summer before the accident, I ran the 141 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: peach tree. I ran the peach tree with my wife, right, 142 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: you know. I used to back around thumb mountain time 143 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: with my son. So I think the first three years 144 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: of this I focused on that, and then what happened. 145 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: I started I met a minister and she told me, hey, 146 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: why don't you start focusing on the things you can do, 147 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: and then suggested I get therapy, on which I did. 148 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: I got to say, if you're chronic pain patient and 149 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: you don't have a good mental health team that can 150 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: help you focus on those things that can keep your 151 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: focus and moving forward, yeah, you're missing a great piece 152 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: of something that's going to make you healthy long term. 153 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: So after after I got the tools in order to 154 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 2: figure out how to focus on what I could do, 155 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: what I could do for myself, what I could do 156 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,479 Speaker 2: for my family, what I could do for my community. 157 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 2: Then it became like any other problem I was solving business, 158 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: I myself. I have always been told I'm I create 159 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: a problem solver. Problem became, Hey, how do I make 160 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: How do I make money even though I can't leave 161 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: my house? How do I lose weight even though I'm 162 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: on pay meds that make me gain weight? How do 163 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: I thrive in crime pain even though I'm on mids 164 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: that make me suicidal? How do I deal with the 165 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: racism that's singdemic and pain medacine treatment. As a middle 166 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: aged black man who often Yeah, even though eighty percent 167 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: of the people that die from opiate overdoses are white 168 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: men and women between the ages of twenty five and 169 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: thirty two, I'm stereotyped often when I go in order 170 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: to get my medications. He's the reason I wrote my 171 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: book Race Matters and Pay Medicine, How I made money, 172 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: Lost ninety pounds and where IV in crime Pain. 173 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: It was interesting because a lot of sickle cell patients 174 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: get stereotype as drug users when they come in and 175 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: try to seek drug medication because they know what they're 176 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: supposed to get and they know they know why they 177 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: should be getting it, and people will call them or 178 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: accuse them of being drug users. So that a lot 179 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: of it is due to the fact because they are 180 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: people of color, they are offering the minority community and 181 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: people are stereotyping them. So I would have to say 182 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: that you oftentimes was a victim of stereotyping. Correct. 183 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, even despite the numbers that most of the 184 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: people who are dying from this do not look like us. 185 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: Wow, Now, it was something you put out there that 186 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring back because in twenty twenty, during COVID, 187 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: therapy became a rise in the Black community, you know, 188 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: became a normal part of the conversation, the mental health conversation. 189 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: A lot of famous people started confessing their issues, a 190 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: lot of athletes started confessing their issues or with mental health, 191 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: and they COVID really sent people over the edge. A 192 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: lot of relationships were lost during the COVID period due 193 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: to mental strain. Now you said the word therapy. Now 194 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: with that a word, did you could share publicly with 195 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: your friends, with your people that you cared about as strangers, 196 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: without being looked upon as a person with a problem. 197 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 2: You know what My favorite chapter in this book is 198 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: real Black men don't do therapy. And what's funny about 199 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: that is that I ownly Well met Atlanta. We're a 200 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: group of African American child and adolescent psychiatrists that work 201 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: in the Greater Atlanta area. So I'm surrounded by a 202 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: psychiatrists and for whatever, and they were telling me, hey, listen, 203 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: something's off with you. I think you need therapy, and 204 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: I just wasn't hearing it. And it wasn't until what 205 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: what happened. I was taking my daughter to the hair store. 206 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: Sally's right, yeah, closed the door on my face. I 207 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: started yelling at him. He called me an old man, 208 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: that this old man can kick your butt, and my 209 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: daughter was afraid of me. 210 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: And he little Jackson, that was you talk about the 211 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: old man could kick your butt. That was you. 212 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: And I was in a scooter saying this. I can 213 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: imagine that I was in a shooter telling some twenty 214 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 3: year old pump okay that could beat him down. 215 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: And I had my nine year. 216 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 4: Old daughter there right right, and she looked. 217 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: At me like I was crazy. And I came home. 218 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: I told my wife, Hey, you know what you're right, 219 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: Adam minimum all the work that I put into at 220 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: that time, I put a lot of work into my diet, 221 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 2: dropping weight in order to manage the pain, put any 222 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: work into my into my mind. So she helped me 223 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: find a therapist that focused in chronic pain and the 224 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: psychiatrist that did as well. And the psychiatrist wasn't my 225 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: saving grace because what she was able to do was 226 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: lay out all my meds. At this time. The pain 227 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: doctor was giving me meds, the PCP was giving me meds, 228 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: the urologists was getting I was getting mads from everybody, 229 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: but there was no one serving as as a quarterback, 230 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: you know, to basically say hey, these meds should go here, 231 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: these meds shouldn't be here. Whatever psychiatrists did all that, 232 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: she was like, Okay, this is what's making you crazy, 233 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: that's making you gang weight. Yeah. So basically she got 234 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: rid of some things, outed some mothers, and then finally 235 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: think right and be myself again. It was it was 236 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: almost as if Hey, the person that I was was 237 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: gone for years and the finally I could think the 238 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: way the way I normally did. 239 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, because a lot of people who deal with I 240 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: get there. I hear this, bipolar illnesses complain about the meds. 241 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 1: They they often the time they will drop off of them. 242 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 5: You know. 243 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: I recently interviewed Will Downing and his daughter was bipolar 244 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: and she committed suicide January of this year. And so 245 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: because of the fact that she got off of meds 246 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: and because of that uncomfiden zone, she went into isolation, 247 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: and of course isolation. So recently I say that we're 248 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: about to we're going to go to a break. But 249 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: when I come back, I want to talk about your 250 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: support groups that got you through it, because of the 251 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: fact that when you came back home after that incident 252 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: that your daughter saw, you spoke to your wife and 253 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: that was an important conversation because that led you to 254 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: the better life that you lived today. We'll be right 255 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: back for more money making conversation talking to mister Jackson Dunbar. 256 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: We'll be getting to financial fire financial literacy later on 257 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: this show, but more importantly, How I made money is chat. 258 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: How I made money, lost ninety pounds and thrived in 259 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: chronic pain. If we were like, we'll be right back 260 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: with more money Making Conversation, please. 261 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 5: Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more money 262 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 5: Making Conversations Masterclass. Welcome back to the Money Making Conversations Masterclass, 263 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 5: hosted by Rashaan McDonald. Money Making Conversations Masterclass continues online 264 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 5: at Moneymakingconversations dot com and follow money Making Conversations Masterclass 265 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 5: on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. 266 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: I'm speaking with Jackson Gumbar. If you want to join 267 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: the conversation, I want to share your stories about mental 268 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: health recovery, accepting the fact that you needed of therapy 269 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: or in your life, because the whole thing about it 270 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: is I'm just trying to create an open line of conversation, 271 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: and so many people like us, people of colors, especially 272 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: men who avoid I've told people many times I probably 273 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: have dealt with depression many times in my life and 274 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: didn't even know it. I just dealt with it. And uh, 275 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: And you don't have to do that. You don't have 276 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: to deal with something by yourself. You don't have to 277 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: be a shame that something that's happening in your life 278 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: that's making you uncomfortable. And that's what this show really 279 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: is about. Money making Conversations, masterclass. It's a journey into 280 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: your spirit, into your soul with information and hopefully these 281 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: interviews will motivate you to be honest with yourself, will 282 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: be motivated, will motivate you to share your understanding that 283 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: you can make a difference in life. That's all I do. 284 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: I get up every day trying to make a difference. 285 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: And I feel that my interview that I've had for 286 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: the second time with Jackson Dunbar, because he impacted a 287 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: lot of people the last time he was on the show, 288 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: and bringing him back on the show really is kind 289 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: of like defining his purpose. His purpose is to let 290 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: people hear his story and motivate them to be winners. 291 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: Am I correct? Jackson? 292 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me back. 293 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'll be honest with you. You know a 294 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: lot of people came to including one of my producers, 295 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 1: uh was recommending that I bring you back and said, Rashan, 296 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: we should really look at developing a show, especially in 297 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: around men and mental health, men in therapy, men in 298 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, within the black community, we are you know, 299 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: we you know, last, high, first fire, last to get 300 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: the information on the financial end, last to get information 301 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: on therapy, scept the responsibility deny the gay community within 302 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: our household, deny there's age in our household. We're such 303 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: an in denial community that we're in the end, we 304 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: are only hurting ourselves by being misinformed about what we 305 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: can do. And when you write a book like this, 306 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: which I feel is a very very purposeful book, How 307 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: I Made Money? You know, it's one of the chapters 308 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: in your book, what promlet do you select investing as 309 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: a money maker? 310 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 2: I think what I did. I think any trying to 311 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: pain patient and my position should do this as well. 312 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 2: Come to the reality that you are limited in what 313 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: you can do. If you're lucky with the payments, you 314 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: may have a few hours of lucidity at best. So 315 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: the question is is what's the best way to make money, 316 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 2: the biggest bang for the buck in that short amount 317 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 2: of time. And for me, it was investing. Let's see, 318 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: because of because I have a lot of great in NBA, 319 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time crunching numbers and analyzing 320 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: trends in my career, so I thought, hey, why why 321 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 2: can't I use that for the stock market. So essentially 322 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: what I did was I said, hey, how much money 323 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: could I afford to lose on a trip to Vegas. 324 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: I'm talking hotel, airfare, gambling, whatnot. I'll without losing any sleep. 325 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 2: So I took those funds and I started investing. 326 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: I think, so let's give us a number of day. 327 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: I don't know how what's your trip to Vegas? Are 328 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: you know Softwales or your first class on Delta? What 329 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: do you roll with a do you roll with an 330 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: off strip motel? Or you on the strip? You know 331 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: in caesar Please please let us know what is your 332 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: version of a Vegas trip? Jackson? 333 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so hey, I'm way too over Southwest, I'm blind, 334 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 2: I'm staying at Caesars. 335 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: There you go. 336 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: When I get there, there you go, there you go, 337 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 3: there you go. 338 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: Okay, So so let's say five to. 339 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: Ten grand, there you go, there you go. You working there? 340 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so five to ten granted. And at the 341 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 2: time when I started, interest rates were zero, so everybody 342 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 2: was making money, right, so I figured, hey, I had 343 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: more credentials than my financial planner. Why not give it 344 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: a shot. First month I turned that I what tripled 345 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: that money? 346 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: Okay? Now now then when you say that, now, you 347 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: gotta slow it down my team, because that's when they 348 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: get injured. This money made conversations massacre. How did you 349 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: triple your money? Was it crypto? Because that was a 350 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: big that was kind of like the raisee there Crypto 351 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: money get flipped real quick bigcoin? Did you what? What 352 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: made you make decisions on? Will you tech? Where were 353 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: you at with your money? 354 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: Okay? Where was I at? 355 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 3: Neo? 356 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: I made most of that money on Neo, and and 357 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 2: I did get on I did get on bigcoin at 358 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: four thousand, so TOCI by accident to this day, if 359 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: I put that money on Ethereum, yeah, life that would 360 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: have been life changing. But bigcoin is one of those 361 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: things is that you get on at a low let's 362 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: see at a low cost, Bashes, leave it alone. You'll 363 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 2: come back a year and bam, there's all this money. 364 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: That was what happened to me there at the at 365 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: the same time, anything. 366 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 6: Jack saying, you know you heard. 367 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: I feel is over here. Bam, all that money, it's 368 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: some people out there. They're by ready to commit suicide. 369 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: Listen to this call. I'm telling you we're not trying 370 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: to put people in the stress lane. When you can't 371 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: say bam, all that money that that that hurts my feeling. 372 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you, Jack, that hurts my feeling. 373 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: You know what's funny, Okay, When I started investing, within 374 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 2: a month, I went from my wife leaving the house. 375 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: I'm on the sofa in pain. You know how your 376 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: wife can look at you if you're not working, she's 377 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: got to go to work. 378 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 4: Right right, right, right right, Yeah, my wife understands the 379 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 4: pain I'm in, but still it's like, why is this 380 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 4: guy on the couch and I gotta go out. 381 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: I went from that and a month to baby, You've. 382 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 4: Had this skill set our whole life. 383 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 3: And you never once thought about using it. 384 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 6: And Jackson, Jacks, You're funny, she said, baby like that, baby, baby, yes, yes. 385 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 2: And thirty days I couldn't believe. 386 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: She went from cutting to evili You rolled around in 387 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: the wheelchair the baby. You got a skill set. I 388 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: didn't know you had. Come on over here, come over here, 389 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: let let's talk. But that, but that skill set. You know, 390 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: God is good in a lot of ways because of 391 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: the fact that you took advantage of You could have 392 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: sat in the corner and complained, took your drugs, not 393 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: do therapy, and embarrass your daughter every year on her 394 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: birthday because you were mad at the life, because you 395 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: felt sorry for yourself. You know, because of the fact 396 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: that you know, right now my knee hurt, but it's 397 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: not in chronic pain. Because right now, when I get up, 398 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna feel the pain because my knee is at 399 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: an angle and I start to walk. I'm a feeling. 400 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: But you know, I tend to want to get a 401 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: clearer understanding if you could help me and my listeners. 402 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: What is a day in the life of a person 403 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: who's in criminal pain from when they get up or 404 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,719 Speaker 1: what they try to sleep? What is that? And how 405 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: does that feel? And how do you how do you 406 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: how do what's that day to day out our experience. 407 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: Okay, Well it starts up with you wake up, Okay, 408 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: how do I get out of bed and at least 409 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: amount of pain? Then you go to okay, how do 410 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: I do number one or number two and at least 411 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 2: amount of pain? 412 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: Okay? 413 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: Then then it's okay. You have to remember your meds. 414 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: And I've been taking the same mass for years HyET 415 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: forever reason that time of the day I always forget. 416 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 2: It's always hard to remember which meds to take. So 417 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 2: I got some for the morning, some for the afternoon, 418 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: and then some at night. It takes about an hour, 419 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: and kind of groggy from my morning managed to kick in. 420 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: I'm on im on my recliner and I'm sort of 421 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: in between let's see, and then all of a sudden, bam, 422 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 2: I'm lucid, and I'm that way for the next few hours. 423 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 2: That's when that's when I'm trading. I'm looking at crypto, 424 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 2: I'm looking at crypto based fox, I'm looking at it. 425 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 2: Well here, Karon Hunter had me on her show back 426 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: in April. I told her Ribbean is shit. I hope 427 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: she listened to me, because she did, she would have 428 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: more than she would have almost tripled her money. I 429 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 2: think it was straightening her by nine dollars to share it. 430 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: Then I think it's somewhere around twenty five twenty six now, 431 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: So I so I look at the trends and then 432 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: I told everyone, hey, hey, listen, if you want to 433 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 2: trade five find other people who like to trade as well, 434 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: because what ends up happening is that y'all former community. 435 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: And I might be a car guy, you might be 436 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 2: a I'm out of these guys. You may have them 437 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: on up. That's a crypto guy. Anyway, We're all looking 438 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: at different aspects of the market, and you may find 439 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 2: something that I don't know about that makes money, and 440 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: vice versa. So we have a meeting, we discuss all 441 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 2: of that, right, and then I go about the business 442 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: of making some money. Afterwards, the meds were off, the 443 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 2: pain becomes sharp. I wait until about four or so 444 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 2: to take my afternoon meds. Then the pain is really bad. 445 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: I will hopefully make it to the pool swim stretch, 446 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 2: and then by around eight nine o'clock I'm just on 447 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: the floor waiting to take the afternoon meds that will 448 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: put me to sleep maybe around midnight, and then I 449 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 2: do it all over again. Wow. 450 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you for sharing that that story. That's an 451 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: honest story. And I want you to stick around. And 452 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to get back to the financial investing 453 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: because we only tip tip of the ice, creare. I 454 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: want the people understand your value. And also you're in 455 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: the healthcare field as well, correct Jackson. 456 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, psychiatry, childless and adult psychiatry. 457 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: Cool. We want to talk about that a little bit. 458 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: But more importantly, I just wanted to talk to my 459 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: audience for a minute about not only fiscal responsibility but 460 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: mental responsibility. Well, I look at my life, you know, 461 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: it was really interesting, Jackson. I will start thinking about 462 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: what I didn't do in my life. You know, that's 463 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: a that's a that's a place man, where you can 464 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: wallow and pity. And if I had done this, this 465 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: could happened. If I'd done this, This could have happened 466 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: if I'd have went over here, if I wouldn't, And 467 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: we can never get into that point in our lives 468 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: and regret what we've done. We should only focus on 469 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: what we can do and plan a better life, not 470 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: only for yourself but for your family. And that was 471 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: one of the primary reasons Jackson. I wanted to bring 472 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: you back on the show because I felt our interview 473 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: was fantastic, but I really wanted people hear the sacrifices 474 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: that your family makes due to this accident related injury 475 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: that came into your life. You didn't plan on living 476 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: a life of chronic painting. Like you said, you was 477 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: bike riding, he was done the Peach Tree five k race, 478 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: and so you was active. But you did not let 479 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: a negative win in your life. And that's important and 480 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: that's part of your motivation now. I would assume. 481 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 2: Correct, yes, yes, and when and when you get I 482 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: call it the dark and the light side of the forest. Okay, 483 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: standing on that dark side, only focus on the things 484 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 2: you can't No nothing but misery over there. When you 485 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: make your life one hundred about what can I do 486 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 2: to maximize my life in the three or four hours 487 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,239 Speaker 2: I have a day, You'll be You'll be shocked at 488 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: just what your mind comes up with. If you don't 489 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: have time to be us around or any of this 490 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 2: other stuff. You got to get to get the business. 491 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 4: And that's how and that's how I focused myself. 492 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: Remember this. If you planning a vacation, think about it. Twice. 493 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: You might want to invest. You're listening to money Making 494 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: Conversations master Class hosted about Rashad McDonald and my man 495 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm talking my co host today, Jackson Dunbar. This has 496 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass hosted by me, 497 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: Rashawn McDonald. 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