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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to The Clay Travis and

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. We are a day away from the

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Speaker 1: twenty year anniversary of the nine to eleven attacks on

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Speaker 1: this country. When we were joined out by somebody who

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Speaker 1: certainly was in the center of that storm and has

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Speaker 1: a very particular perspective on it, the former mayor of

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Speaker 1: New York City, former US Attorney for the Southern Southern

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Speaker 1: District of New York and you can follow his work

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Speaker 1: at Ruby's Commonsense dot com or Ruby Giuliani. Good to

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Speaker 1: have you on, sir, That's an honor to be on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. What was it like that day? I mean

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Speaker 1: take us back, because I think one of the most

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Speaker 1: important things for people now is part of the reflection,

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Speaker 1: is to make sure we don't forget that, We don't

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Speaker 1: forget both what it was to be attacked in that way,

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Speaker 1: but also the heroism of those who ran into the towers,

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Speaker 1: who sacrificed themselves, and how America rallied. But to take

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Speaker 1: us into those initial moments when you were the mayor

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Speaker 1: of America's largest city on September eleven to two, thousand

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Speaker 1: and one. Well, it was it was like being in hell,

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Speaker 1: or it was more like being in battle than it

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Speaker 1: would be a you know, an urban situation. When I

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Speaker 1: realized that it was a terrorist attack for sure, which

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Speaker 1: was in the second plane came in, I was probably

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Speaker 1: one mile from the from the building, heading down there

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Speaker 1: to join my police commissioner. And then when I got

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Speaker 1: to the site, people were jumping out of the buildings.

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Speaker 1: Some of them were hitting people on the ground to

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Speaker 1: went up to the fire department command post and made

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Speaker 1: sure that the fire department had the resources, and also

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Speaker 1: I needed to divide I needed to divide the commands.

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Speaker 1: So the fire department was in charge of the fire

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Speaker 1: and doing everything they could to save people, and the

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Speaker 1: police department was in charge of guarding the rest of

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Speaker 1: the city. People don't realize that at the time. When

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Speaker 1: there were seven to twelve planes still on the counter

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Speaker 1: form that Vice President Channey had just sent out jets

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Speaker 1: that hopefully would keep them away from the city, but

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Speaker 1: that I should consider the possibility that there would be

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Speaker 1: follow up ground attacks, which we had already which we

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Speaker 1: had already assumed. Our plan for that is to send

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Speaker 1: our terrorism tasks for us to those sites that we

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Speaker 1: think they're going to hit. So Bernie Carricters dispatched them

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Speaker 1: to places like the stock has changed, the Empire State building.

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Speaker 1: We also emptied all those buildings out immediately. That that list,

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Speaker 1: oh gosh, that list has been compiled over twenty years.

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Speaker 1: I used to be you know, I used to prosecute

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Speaker 1: the cases of the join terrorists and tasks for US,

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Speaker 1: so I knew it intimately. That list is built up

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Speaker 1: over time. When you pick up terrorists and you take

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Speaker 1: everything they have, they have plans with them for bombings.

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Speaker 1: So out of those plans, you develop a list of

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Speaker 1: what are they what are they most interested in doing?

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Speaker 1: And the number one target, by the way it was,

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Speaker 1: a terrible It was. It was. It was an exercise

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Speaker 1: a mayor for seven and a half years. I had

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Speaker 1: been through virtually every kind of an emergency you could imagine.

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Speaker 1: I also started the first a mayor's office of emergency management.

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Speaker 1: We never had and before I did that second day

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Speaker 1: we anticipate. I know, mister mayor, that you had so

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Speaker 1: How hard was that to balance the humanity and also

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Speaker 1: give them incorrectly. We're speaking to former Mayor of New

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Speaker 1: York City on September eleven, two thousand and one, Rudolph

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Speaker 1: The Fire Department of City of New York lost a

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Speaker 1: and in the aftermath of those those initial the towers

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Speaker 1: to hear you speak to how you saw people come

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Speaker 1: together and the and the rallying that occurred in this

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Speaker 1: very day. The firefighters put there put their flag up,

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Speaker 1: to me because I had just read Broke Caused book

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Speaker 1: They got it, they still got it, and I knew that.

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Speaker 1: different situation. Everyone felt that. I mean, I told my

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Speaker 1: every time he did attack us overseas and Clinton would

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Speaker 1: I pushed the firefighter up with the megaphone. He was

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Speaker 1: People should know that, and not just the possibility of

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Speaker 1: And these are tough guys. They knew they knew he meant.

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Speaker 1: terrorists want to disrupt our normal activities, and so everybody's

433
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Speaker 1: just going to continue to go to class for the

434
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Speaker 1: rest of the day. So they didn't. I mean, nowadays,

435
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Speaker 1: you know, you'd probably shut down for a week, right,

436
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: And in retrospect that kind of stiff upper lip. I

437
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: remember sitting in class right after that, watching the towers

438
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Speaker 1: come down, and I was in a legal writing and

439
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Speaker 1: research class. I remember thinking like, how in the world

440
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Speaker 1: are we ask questions? And you know, study the law

441
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Speaker 1: right now where the entire world has changed in an

442
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Speaker 1: instant with what was going on there, But we had

443
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Speaker 1: class and the only real change and I maybe misremembering

444
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Speaker 1: it afterwards, but I don't think I am. Some people

445
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Speaker 1: had family and friends, certainly who were in the Towers,

446
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Speaker 1: and usually in law school they will at least then

447
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: the classes run on the Socratic method, so you don't

448
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Speaker 1: know when you're gonna get called on, and you just

449
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Speaker 1: get grilled on whatever legal case that you were supposed

450
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Speaker 1: to be studying at that point in time. For several weeks,

451
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: they did away with the Socratic method. They didn't want

452
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Speaker 1: to call on someone who might be dealing grieving with

453
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Speaker 1: nine to eleven related issues. And remember I was in

454
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455
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Speaker 1: thoughts was the Pentagon being hit, right, because I had

456
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Speaker 1: just left DC like a couple of weeks before to

457
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Speaker 1: go back and start law school. So I still had

458
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Speaker 1: a ton of friends in DC who were panicked, and

459
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Speaker 1: you know, could see the flames from the Pentagon from

460
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Speaker 1: the rooftop near George Washington University where I had gone,

461
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Speaker 1: and obviously the brave people with in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania.

462
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Speaker 1: But the fear was that there was going to be

463
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Speaker 1: a plane go into the Capitol and also go into

464
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Speaker 1: the White House. And so it was absolutely it wasn't

465
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Speaker 1: even just I mean, that was what was going to happen.

466
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Speaker 1: I believe it was Todd Beamer who led that charge

467
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: behind the food service cart on that flight that went

468
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Speaker 1: down in the in the field of Checksville, Pennsylvania, which

469
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Speaker 1: gets forgotten about by a lot of people, but is

470
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Speaker 1: an amazing hero. The fine three right ninety three, which

471
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Speaker 1: there was that plane was going to be. That plane

472
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Speaker 1: was heading right for the Capitol or the White House.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been either, but the Capital

474
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Speaker 1: they believe was the target. And it's it's amazing in retrospect,

475
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Speaker 1: quite honestly, Clay of that they were able to stop

476
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Speaker 1: that from happening, no doubt. And al Qaeda when you

477
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Speaker 1: when we think about how easy it was for them

478
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Speaker 1: to hijack all those planes and how just from a

479
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Speaker 1: security perspective, we were just sleepwalking. I mean as a

480
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Speaker 1: country which we weren't ready for it at all, as

481
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Speaker 1: horrific as it was. I know a lot of people

482
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Speaker 1: that analyze security and you know the possibilities of this.

483
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Speaker 1: They could have seized twenty planes. That would not have

484
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Speaker 1: been that difficult for them to do. So, Yeah, and

485
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Speaker 1: obviously we have a very different feeling now. I mean,

486
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Speaker 1: it's been the case I think for a long time

487
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488
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489
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490
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Speaker 1: there'd be negotiations, and that's what had happened to some

491
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Speaker 1: of these uh, these uh you know, Islamist liberation groups

492
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Speaker 1: and other terrorist entities. Now we all know, I mean,

493
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Speaker 1: it changed our thinking dramatically, and now we all know

494
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495
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496
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497
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Speaker 1: It's kind of a thing for life, I think now

498
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Speaker 1: A two. Let's get too. We have rubin in too

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Speaker 1: laure California. Is that right? Yeah, buddy, there we go.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Well? I was talking to you are their

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Speaker 1: helper there? And Uh, I told him I was in

549
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550
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: I was making a delivery. I'm a truck driver and

551
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: I got out there in night to that office and

552
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: we're watching it on a television and it was sad. Me.

553
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: It was really sad, and like they shut down the highway.

554
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: It said to wait about a day and a half

555
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Speaker 1: of them reopen it. Get across, go to California. I

556
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: stopped in Iowa forty nine and uh there was a

557
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Speaker 1: guy there at the truck stop and he gave me

558
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Speaker 1: a flag. It was sad. It was a somber day.

559
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Speaker 1: Everybody's still in shock. And he told me put this

560
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Speaker 1: flag up on your outside of your truck. So I'm

561
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: sure man. They said, they said thank you, and I

562
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: went across, went back to California, and uh, I got

563
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Speaker 1: some ways and some smiles and kind of I guess

564
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Speaker 1: it kind of helped a little bit, you know, maybe,

565
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: but it was a little bit of something. But you

566
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Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to stop at a hardware store

567
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna put that flag on, even though it's

568
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: a different time, different day, but I'm gonna do that.

569
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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call, Thank you for the call.

570
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: Route he wants a number of people, by the way,

571
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Speaker 1: Buck who were on airplanes, you know, that got scrambled

572
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Speaker 1: and relocated and had to spend days. Uh, you know,

573
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Speaker 1: they took a lot of them in I think up

574
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Speaker 1: in basically New Newfoundland. And I'm probably mispronouncing that, I think.

575
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Speaker 1: But the Come from Away, you know, the play that

576
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Speaker 1: they did on Broadway that is based on that. They

577
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: brought all these people who were in the air because

578
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Speaker 1: they didn't know which airplanes might be to sell with

579
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Speaker 1: box putter, I could have seized control of an another

580
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Speaker 1: plane in the air and done the same. We had

581
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Speaker 1: no we had no idea how many of these no idea. Yeah,

582
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Speaker 1: I was telling so I remember my parents talking to

583
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Speaker 1: them on the phone. I think was the night of

584
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: so the night you know, after the first night after

585
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Speaker 1: the planes hit in the morning, and they were just

586
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Speaker 1: telling me that those f fifteens. Man, if you were

587
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: living in New York City, you were just hearing fifteens

588
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Speaker 1: roaring around the sky ready in case there. You know,

589
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: there were this concern that there would be another hijack plane.

590
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 1: I mean they were ready to shride down or at

591
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Speaker 1: least that was that was the idea that they shoot

592
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Speaker 1: down a plane if it came. Jennifer in Columbia, South Carolina.

593
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Speaker 1: She might have some interesting insight here in the whole

594
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Speaker 1: Post Office vax mandate debate. Jennifer, thanks so much. Hey, buzz,

595
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Speaker 1: how are y'all doing? We're great, Thank you. Well, I

596
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Speaker 1: just wanted to call because I'm a world carrier and

597
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Speaker 1: I'm work in a smaller office and we have certainly

598
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Speaker 1: worked through COVID for the past year and a half

599
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: and we are working at level three times and what

600
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Speaker 1: we're used to, and everybody's tired and worn out, but

601
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: still trying to get through it. But I know that

602
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: there are some people in my office that would quit

603
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: the job rather than get vaccinated. And we are already

604
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Speaker 1: short staff. We're down routes. You know, every day, there's

605
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Speaker 1: other offices that are down multiple routes today because of

606
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Speaker 1: the short staff, trying to hire like everybody else, but

607
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: nobody wants to work or applying like you would think

608
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Speaker 1: that they would. And I think that if the people,

609
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Speaker 1: even if it's just a few people that don't want

610
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Speaker 1: to be vaccinated, that leads a postal service, they're really

611
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Speaker 1: going to be struggling, especially going into the holiday season. Jennifer,

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Speaker 1: can you just do you know or can you give

613
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Speaker 1: us a little insight into whether or not the post

614
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Speaker 1: off because there was this report that the six hundred

615
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Speaker 1: thousand employees of the Postal Service, I think that's what

616
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Speaker 1: the number that I saw. That seems huge, but that

617
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Speaker 1: they are not going to be covered by this, well,

618
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Speaker 1: we have been We have been told when he came

619
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Speaker 1: out before and set federal employees were going to have

620
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Speaker 1: you mandated that we were exempts. We heard it this time,

621
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Speaker 1: but then there was some Backdolan saying, well, you may

622
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Speaker 1: have be tested once a week if you're not going

623
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Speaker 1: to be vaccinated, and that might be at employee's extent. Wow,

624
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Speaker 1: it is about a half a million. It's a I

625
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Speaker 1: see here. This is four hundred and sixty nine thousand

626
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Speaker 1: USPS career employees one hundred and thirty six thousand nonk

627
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Speaker 1: er so it is. It's a huge number. Clad in

628
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Speaker 1: Rose was that big? Yeah, and I think her call

629
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Speaker 1: is a good one. That as we get ready for

630
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Speaker 1: the holiday season, if there are a decent percentage of

631
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Speaker 1: employees that would refuse this, arguably our ability to deliver

632
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: packages would collapse. That's basically what you're saying. Thanks for

633
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: calling us, right, but based on your understanding, that's the

634
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Speaker 1: reason why there could be a difference of treatment there.

635
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: That's correct, that's correct. Yeah, if the postal service collapses

636
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: under Biden's watch, it's a bad look. I think I

637
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: have a bad I think that's fair to say. Jennifer,

638
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Speaker 1: thank you for what you do. Thanks for calling, and

639
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Speaker 1: we appreciate it. Patty in Fort Wayne, Indian a place

640
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: I've actually spent some time in recent years. Patty, what's up, Hey, guys,

641
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: thanks for carrying on Russia's legacy. She'll appreciate you. Thank you,

642
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: thank you. I wanted to make a couple of comments.

643
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Speaker 1: First of all, to all of these people calling in

644
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: who are planning to resign from their jobs, I have

645
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: a word of advice. But then also I'd like to

646
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: just mention something about my bewilderment over Biden's apparent visceral

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Speaker 1: hatred for unvaccinated citizens. So, first of all, to these

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Speaker 1: employees who say they're going to resign, I would just

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Speaker 1: encourage them not to resign. Please make your employer fire you,

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Speaker 1: because at that point you will have some legal recourse,

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Speaker 1: you'll be able to draw unemployment, you'll have Cobra health

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Speaker 1: insurance options. But mostly for a lot of these companies,

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Speaker 1: they may be represented by a union, and it will

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Speaker 1: be interesting to see what their union representatives will do

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Speaker 1: to protect It's a good point. This is a fantastic point, Patty.

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Speaker 1: Well done. It is a challenge, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: continue to talk about this, the vaccine mandate that came

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Speaker 1: out from Joe Biden. When we come back at the

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Speaker 1: top of the third hour, we're going to dive back

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Speaker 1: into this story from a legal political perspective and discuss it.

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Speaker 1: Final hour of the week, Buck so much to get into. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: plus the Los Angeles County mandate for kids twelve thirteen,

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Speaker 1: fourteen year old kids. Now they're gonna say get the

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Speaker 1: vacs or you don't get educated. What's that gonna mean?

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Speaker 1: That sounds like it might have a disproportioned impact on

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Speaker 1: low income communities. They care about that. We'll talk about it.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton fund the

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